THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 16 — House Speaker Trump? Mocking the Dead? Columbus, Hero or Hero?
In this latest THOUGHTCRIME featuring Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Andrew Kolvet, and Blake Neff, the gang explores dramatic questions like:-Is Donald Trump as House speaker a good idea, or just a funny one?-Is it okay to laugh when extreme liberals get killed by their own policies?-How great was Christopher Columbus?THOUGHTCRIME streams LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ET.Support the Show.
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Okay, everybody, hello.
It is Thought Crimes.
What episode number is this?
16.
Is it really 16?
We've done 16 of these?
Incredibly enough.
Wow.
Andrew, welcome.
Blake, and of course, Jack Posobiec, welcome.
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally found out something that actually makes House Republicans upset.
Is it the locking up of our own people?
No, no.
Is it sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine in a proxy war?
No, no, no, no, no.
It's parliamentary changes inside the House.
Apparently that is what makes them upset.
So it is, sometimes we have to debate of what is the lead.
It's not even a close question this week.
There is no speaker of the house.
Jack, you and I kind of saw this coming.
I think it would be helpful for our audience to give a layer deeper that we're not always able to share on our shows.
Jack, you and I were on a series of group text messages right when I turned off for, you know, Shabbat.
I kind of saw this boiling up.
I was starting to get incoming from, you know, the gates.
Yeah, so a lot of this, and Charlie, you've done a great job of covering it this week on your show.
Thank you.
We're going to do motion to vacate.
I remember some of the people I know in McCarthy world said, oh, he's just bluffing.
It's not going to happen.
Here we are a week later.
Kevin McCarthy is not speaker.
Jack, let's fill in, you know, some of the the underground chatter that you and I have been privy to as we saw this bubbling up to the surface.
Yeah, so a lot of this and Charlie, you've done a great job of covering it this week on your show.
Thank you.
Huge props to you because, you know, this is something where it's it's it pays to be super in the weeds on things.
And that's something where I think, you know, Charlie, with your perch, not only where you are in politics, but having turning point your, your ear into a lot of different places, it just really lends itself to these situations because it's easy to sit on the outside.
And I see a lot of people just throwing bombs and saying, Oh yeah, throw the bums out, get rid of them, get rid of this guy, get rid of that guy.
But you're also missing the intricacies of how it actually works, how it plays out, the different interests, the different factions.
And that's something where even myself just listening to the Charlie Kirk show this week, it's like, wow, this is the one place where you can really get all of it.
Because on some shows, you know, you'll hear, oh, Gates is a traitor.
Gates is evil.
Gates is the worst.
And then you go on other shows and it's like Gates is the greatest patriot.
He's the next George Washington.
It's like, all right, can someone just explain to me what's actually going on?
And that's what I found with listening to Charlie.
I don't mean that just to blow you up.
I really do.
Thank you.
You did a great job.
And the reason, though, that people need to understand this better, though, is because the situation became, as Jack Cashel said in his great book recently, although on a different subject, it became untenable.
It became untenable because you had the grassroots that were so incensed at the lack of action and so upset that they can see the government locking people up, the FBI starting a new task force, Just this week and then bragging about it with their leaking their own story to Newsweek, essentially writing a press release for them saying, we've started a new task force to go after MAGA.
And then you go to the house and you say, what are you guys actually doing about any of this?
Oh, we've got a big investigation.
It's very important press release, very important letter that's being written.
Just you wait, you know, the next letter is coming out and people are just getting fed up.
People are just getting sick and it's getting worse and worse.
So we saw essentially the civil war brewing because that being said, GOP leadership still has considerable and significant resources that they will be bringing to bear.
And I don't think that they thought Matt Gaetz was willing to go through that.
Turns out that he actually is.
So Gaetz effectively pressed the nuclear button.
I call it the nuclear option.
And now here's the interesting wrinkle in all of this.
We covered on human events earlier today that anyone who wants to be speaker, whether it's Scalise, whether it's Jordan, whether it's Donald Trump, etc.
They're essentially walking into a situation where they know that MAGA and the grassroots.
And Gates, representing the grassroots by proxy, is exercising command by negation, whereby in, there's nothing to stop him from doing this again next week, next month, six months from now.
So anyone who has to come in, guess what?
You got to make a deal.
That's why Donald Trump is going to Congress.
So, Blake, let's do this.
And by the way, Jack, we're going to reconnect your audio.
We can hear you, but it's not as pure as it should be, so we're going to work with the team on that.
But Blake, Andrew, and I are going to carry this forward right now.
So, Blake, you and I were chatting a little bit over the weekend last week, and so was Andrew.
Andrew, you were on a lot of these messages, too, because we're kind of at an intersection of all roads where I've been very clear.
You know, I've been gotten along with Kevin McCarthy for years.
I disagree with how he's handled the debt ceiling and also the CR, but he's treated our turning point students and leaders really, really well.
And this kind of thing was bubbling up.
And I remember I sent a message to one person in kind of McCarthy world.
I was like, guys, this is becoming real like this, this.
And, you know, either Blake or Andrew, you could take it, Andrew, maybe because you're also getting his message.
Andrew, do you think that they actually believed that this motion to vacate would have been successful?
I had a private conversation with Matt Gaetz on Sunday when I reopened my phone.
I had literally had 682 text messages.
Remember, Andrew, the message I sent?
I said, so what's going on?
Like, on Sunday afternoon.
I talked to Matt Gaetz on the phone.
He said, oh, Kevin's going to get bailed out by the Democrats.
He'll still be Speaker, but it's still a good message to send.
Andrew, is this the dog catching the car?
Yeah, I think it was, Charlie.
You know, I think they were going to give it their best shot.
A lot of people, a lot of reporters have been texting me saying, is this just about personal animus?
Is this Matt Gaetz trying to be, you know, famous or whatever?
And I'm like, A, Matt Gaetz is already a media darling.
I don't care whatever anybody says.
He's been highlighted on conservative media and CNN, MSNBC, all this for years.
He's very articulate.
And I think he, Does not see the end of his career being in Congress, right?
A lot of people have speculated.
I think he's even confirmed that he wants to run for governor eventually in the state of Florida.
But he'll be damned if he's going to leave things the status quo as he found them.
He's also in a very secure district.
I think he won 70-30.
So he's one of those guys that is not only extremely conservative, especially fiscally conservative.
He's not only ballsy.
The guy has, you know, guts.
For days, the guy is totally courageous, not like these other squishes on Capitol Hill.
But I don't think he exactly knew how this was going to play out.
A lot of us who were skeptical said, Gates, your qualms are real.
The gripes are real.
Washington's out of control.
$2.2 trillion deficits are not sustainable.
Ukraine, what the hell?
And so it kind of left us in this place where I think our base and our audience were looking for us to go, yeah, go Gates.
And it was kind of like, well, We get where he's coming from.
We love the guy.
We think he's fantastic in a lot of ways.
But what's the endgame?
Is Kevin McCarthy the best that we will get?
And that remains to be seen.
But this whole call from Newt Gingrich, calling them traitors, the eight traitors, that is completely out of line.
Yeah, and I think we've been very morally clear on our show, haven't we, Andrew?
I think we've been... Oh yeah, 100%.
Newt is somebody who's come on the Charlie Kirk Show multiple times.
I like Newt, he's just wrong.
Yeah, you wrote an endorsement for his last book.
But yeah, I mean, I think Newt is looking at people like Speaker Pelosi before, you know, when the House was a Democrat majority, and saying she ruled with an iron fist.
Nobody crossed her.
We need to get that on the GOP side.
I think that's wrong.
The GOP is a rowdy group.
It's an independent-minded group.
We're not collectivists.
We're not communists.
We don't think in a block.
There are factions and plans within the conservative movement.
I think, yes, Matt Gaetz is probably surprised this worked out, but he's probably overjoyed.
And here's, I'll leave it with this.
If we get a Jim Jordan out of this or a Speaker Trump, I mean, that's certainly a possibility as it stands today.
If we get those two outcomes here, this will have proven Matt Gaetz to be an absolute genius, massive success.
If we get somebody like an Emmer or even a Scalise, who I've heard described as Diet McCarthy, I think then we are going to find ourselves in a world of hurt and people are going to start pointing the finger even more at Gates.
Yeah, I receive angry emails about this.
I think we will not know whether or not Matt was right based on whether or not Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker in January 25.
You must hold on to power in the town of D.C., right Blake?
Exactly.
You know, Andrew mentions the factions.
That's very real.
I mean, we've got a Republican Study Committee, you've got Freedom Caucus, you have, you know, random wild cards, and every single one of those matters, because again, we don't have a strong majority.
We have, what is it, 222 seats?
We have a majority of five votes, and one of those is George Santos, who at any time, you know, could be hauled off to God knows where, yeah.
And so that means everyone, you know, everyone does get a voice, but it does mean everyone gets a voice.
It means Matt Gaetz and five friends can blow up the House speakership, but it also means the five most liberal House members could blow up a Jordan speakership.
Exactly.
And they're going to, and we have to understand that This, the game is on, right?
And there's, I think that's why, you know, I also disagree with what Newt said, but you can see the frustration that's boiling over there, that there's all these Republicans who remember, it took us weeks to figure out who our speaker's going to be last January, and it was really like, only McCarthy can unite them.
Is that a good thing?
Is that a disappointing thing?
You can definitely argue- It's a real thing, right?
It's a real thing.
It took them weeks to do this, It was really tough, there's no one else, there's no obvious plan B. These Republicans have been giving statements where they say there are 15 different options on the table.
Yeah, there's Scalise, yeah there's Jordan, but there's a lot of secondary players and if anyone claims they know exactly what's going to happen, they're kidding themselves.
That was the deal is there was one guy who could basically unite the caucus and we've just thrown him out and anything's on the table and I agree Jim Jordan would be a good speaker but I think among other things there's going to be a non-zero number of Republicans who are going to say we're not going to reward Matt Gaetz by giving him you know a speaker who's more in his direction over this tantrum that he threw that's what they would call it and That just sets up the room for a lot of bitterness.
We've had these claims that, you know, they're on the brink of, you know, a fisticuffs, that they're going to fight each other.
We have that clip.
That's not good.
Yeah, yeah, get that clip and once we have it.
Clip 72.
Clip 72, yeah, play it.
Rep.
Garrett Graves tells CNN's Jake Tapper there had been fistfights if we didn't recess.
Do you agree with Congressman McHenry's decision, he's the temporary Speaker, the Speaker of POTEM, to put a pause on the week to let tensions settle?
Jake, I'll be really candid.
I think if we had stayed together in the meeting last night, I think that you would have seen fists thrown.
And I'm not being dramatic when I say that there is a lot of raw emotions right now.
I think it was best to let folks go back home, decompress a little bit, and then come back together.
So yeah, like that's the situation that we've set up here is we have multiple factions in the house We've essentially politically assassinated the one often disappointing figure who is at the head of it and we're in uncharted territory and I do admit, you know, we've we've said we like McCarthy's always treated us well, but I do think strategically there's certain He made some huge mistakes in the last 10 days.
The most obvious to me is the January 6th footage.
He said he'd release it.
What is the story with this?
I don't know!
That could have quelled the rebellion.
It was always, over and over, people would complain.
And that's what always signaled a sort of bad...
Like, he didn't mean to keep the deal.
It's gonna come out.
It's gonna come out.
Let's play this out.
One second, Andrew.
One second.
If McCarthy Blake would have called Gates into his office the day of the CR and said, here's all the footage, do you think he'd still be Speaker?
I think it would have made it a lot harder for Gates to turn around.
What do you think, Andrew?
Let's just play that out.
What do you think?
So, I just wanted to give some inside baseball.
I texted a couple staffers about the J6 footage, and their answer to me was, It's already out.
Now, I pushed back and said, I don't think it's all out.
And they pointed me to this new Blaze story.
And Blake, I can send it to you so you can throw it up on the screen if you want.
There is sort of some breaking reporting.
It hasn't been widely covered just yet, but it is out.
And I'll pull that up for you in just a sec.
But I do want to say, Blake, you said, We got rid of the one guy that could unite the caucus.
I think the bottom line is McCarthy's mistakes strategically, first on the debt ceiling, secondly on the shutdown fight, were just too grievous.
And now you hear a lot of people on either side of that debate say, oh, he lived up to his promises.
And then they say, no, he didn't.
I mean, at the end of the day, he caved.
You know, I think if he would, I think the one thing that could have saved him, the one thing that could have saved him was Shut the government down.
Show that you're willing to fight for something real.
When he chose to sort of capitulate and be the quote-unquote adult in the room, that signaled to a lot of people... And the way he said it, too, I think bothered a lot of people.
I think you're basically inferring that the people who could displace you as a speaker are children for wanting to balance the budget.
Or not even balance the budget, not have a two trillion dollar deficit.
Yeah, it's... there was...
It sucks, because we did get one thing that was good, which is they didn't give more money to Ukraine.
But that was the weakest one, because we immediately had reports that, oh, they're gonna stick it back in, McCarthy supposedly made these promises, and that's the only win we had.
And so, you needed something, and again, it was, if you pair that with, okay, well now we'll bring up the article that supposedly they did release the rest of the footage, but if they did, they didn't They didn't make a lot of noise about it.
They could have really hyped it up.
He handled it badly.
Man, all these stupid pop-ups that happen on these websites.
Yeah, he started well though, right?
When he gave it to Tucker Carlson and then... I mean, that was a massive, massive news story.
It must have been intercepted by the intel agencies.
Is Jack back on?
Jack, why did Kevin McCarthy... We're here, we're here.
How's the audio?
Good?
Yes, Jack, we hear you.
So, Jack... No one told me.
No, you're fine.
So, Jack, why is it that Kevin McCarthy never released the footage?
I mean, what we were saying is a hypothetical.
The J6 footage.
Kevin McCarthy's going to do this CR.
He knows that his right flank is coming for him.
He's underestimating that threat.
What if, hypothetical, he would have brought Gates and Good and all these guys in a room and said, here's a hard drive, guys.
45 days, keep me as Speaker.
This is a big deal for you, right?
Do whatever you want with it.
Do you think he would still be Speaker of the House?
Look, I think there are so many things like that.
I think the J6 footage, I think, even for me, it's more than just the J6 footage, okay?
And I've said this before in terms of where I think we should go from now, but one of the big things that a lot of us said going into the new House GOP before the Speaker was even decided was, don't close the JN6 committee.
Keep it open but restructure it so that it becomes under our control and then it's an investigate a real investigation into what happened on Jan 6.
So it's a more comprehensive answer to the same question, because, yes, then it gets you full access to the video.
Plus investigators, you bring in Darren Beatty, you bring in Julie Kelly, you bring in everybody that's involved in this whole thing.
And then what do you start issuing?
Subpoenas.
You start subpoenaing people that they don't want us to talk to.
You start bringing people in, actually get to the situation where we can have those cross examinations that didn't happen under Pelosi.
Look, the Democrats understand theater.
They understand political theatrics.
They understand.
Now, does it persuade our side?
No.
But their side loves it.
Their side is enthralled with it.
And then you know what?
There were even people like Steve Bannon who, when they refused to speak to that committee, then got referred to Congress.
And you had snakes like Nancy Mace who went along with it.
And then Steve Bannon had to go on trial and is now facing four months in jail because he refused to submit to Nancy Pelosi's committee.
Why did we have anything like that on our side?
It's nothing like that.
There is this.
I want to introduce another interesting angle here, Jack, and Andrew, Blake, whoever.
So there's this talking point.
Jack, you've heard it.
Tucker Carlson famously said on his program that Kevin McCarthy would climb through a sewer of glass just to be Speaker of the House, right?
Blake, he wanted to have his portrait.
He wanted to be a guy who has, you know, next to Nancy Pelosi and then John Boehner a little bit over.
Yes.
Kevin McCarthy was a Speaker of the United States House, just like Henry Clay and Sam Rayburn before him.
He wanted to be Speaker.
I think that he was, almost what defined his career was, I want to be in charge.
I want to be student class president, right?
And that was kind of well known, right?
Jack and DC Circles.
But is now a new truth that has emerged.
Did Kevin, was he, did he want to not violate, that's a double negative, how do I, how did I word it?
There was something Kevin didn't want to be as much as Speaker, he didn't want to violate the regime.
Because if he would have shut down the government and released the J6 tapes, he would still be Speaker.
Maybe he caught the car, too.
It was like, you know, Matt Gaetz caught the car drumming him out.
What do you mean by that?
Well, so, Kevin McCarthy wanted to be Speaker, and then he caught the car.
He became the Speaker.
And he was like, I don't want it that bad.
And he was like, wait, this sucks.
This is terrible.
Well, we were joking, Andrew, when he became Speaker, and we said, you sure you want the job?
Right?
And because it's a four-seat majority, and you're ideologically not necessarily in line with the people that you have to lead.
Right, Andrew?
Yeah, I mean, I think the history when it's written about McCarthy's speakership is that he essentially had to sell away any security that he might have otherwise had in order to attain the speakership in the first place.
So now the big debate is about this.
Can one member of the House bring about a motion to vacate?
Right.
And so that's why you have Mitch McConnell going on and saying, I want to thank Speaker McCarthy.
You've been a tremendous uniparty puppet just like me.
But, you know, if I could give one word of advice to the incoming speaker, you know, you got to change that rule.
Right.
And then you had you had Jim Jordan.
I saw him on with, you know, Fox and Friends and Kilmeade said, are you going to get rid of it?
And then meanwhile, you had Matt Gaetz saying, you know, he was asked right after Speaker McCarthy was ousted.
He did a little press gaggle outside of the Capitol.
And one of the questions were, you know, will you accept the new speaker without this single member being able to bring up a motion to vacate?
And he said, absolutely not.
So you've got Matt Gaetz saying he will not approve the next speaker without a single member motion to vacate clause.
Meanwhile, you have all the establishment voices saying, get rid of this thing.
And Jim Jordan, I think, did a good job.
He said in his answer, he said, you know, listen, that's something the conference is going to have to debate and come to an agreement on.
But I have a feeling that is going to ultimately be the big sticking point.
The question is, can Jim Jordan, who Matt Gaetz defines as his mentor, can he quell Gaetz to say that you need two members?
I mean, obviously, Gaetz has eight people with him right now.
So why don't you just say, well, you need eight votes?
You need eight votes to bring a motion to vacate.
If not, then, you know, moving on.
Yeah, but here's the next element.
Sorry to interrupt, Andrew.
The establishment, the regime, they're pissed.
Let's use thought-crime language, right?
I mean, you see these messages, I see it publicly and privately.
They're going to want to redefine the Congress in their image.
They're not going to do anything that Goode and Gates, Luna, Donalds, and Roy want to do.
Right, Blake?
Of course not.
They're really, at a minimum, they're really annoyed that he just went and, you know, at a minimum, we'll spend a week on this.
We could spend many weeks.
It could just be essentially derail everything they had planned for this fall, good or bad.
And it's all for a guy who, as we mentioned, you know, he's, this is not the end of his career.
He's, I'm not sure if he's officially announced yet.
He's running for governor.
He probably will.
Very heavily rumored at minimum.
And so, you know, he sees his career as either a different office or, you know, hosting, maybe he wants to host a Fox show or some other program.
And.
And that's his future, and he sees this essentially as a way to increase his fame.
And so all of these guys who are in the House for the long haul are like, this guy who, he's basically using the House as his personal, you know, bully pulpit.
Launching pad?
Yeah, launching pad.
His launching pad.
And, well, this is a chamber of the United States government that has to pass legislation, and... It's not just a Fox News show.
It's not just a Fox News show, it's not just a bully pulpit.
So Jack, let me ask you a provocative question here, since this is Thought Crimes.
This never would have happened with Boehner.
This never would have happened with Pelosi.
Is there an argument to be had that McCarthy was not Machiavellian enough in creating opophiles, threatening blackmail, and basically telling dissident, rebellious members from the beginning, I will destroy your life if you walk out of line?
Well, I suppose you could say that to an extent, if not for the fact that Matt Gaetz has already had pretty much all the oppo possible drop on him over the last couple of years, right?
So what could you possibly put out in terms of oppo to hang over this guy's head that hasn't already been put out over the, I don't even know, I don't remember exactly.
I think 2020, I guess, is when it really started.
2021 was the spring of 2021 when they said that he was under DOJ investigation for sex trafficking.
It was February or March of 21.
Yeah.
And then there's already an ethics investigation open on him currently.
So all of this stuff is going on and he just keeps not he just keeps not going on.
So, yes, you could make that argument maybe.
But with Gates, it's I don't know what else you could do.
It's already all out there.
Jack, on that note, we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen talking about Matt Gaetz.
Do we want to play it?
Yeah, let's play it.
No, no, no.
I just want to say, Matt Gaetz denies all these allegations.
This is just a flavor of a taste.
We played it on our show, and I felt uncomfortable playing it because it felt like tabloidy crap.
But this is a U.S.
Senator who, by the way, is an ally of McConnell.
This is not like Rand Paul, right?
So obviously this U.S.
Senator is just communicating the oppo.
Basically, they're coming after Matt Gaetz hard.
They're not going to lay off of this sort of narrative, right?
They're basically going to say, Matt Gaetz is Hugh Hefner, and they're going to... By the way, listen carefully.
He says underage girl in this video.
Okay, what tape is this, Ryan?
I thought it was like 30... Yeah, play that please.
Play it.
You gotta think about this guy.
This is a guy that the media didn't give a time of day to after he was accused of sleeping with an underage girl.
There's a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him.
Because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us had walked away.
of the girls that he had slept with.
He'd brag about how he would crush ED medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he could go all night.
This is obviously before he got married.
And so when that accusation came out, no one defended him, and then no one on the media would give him a time of the day.
All of a sudden, he found fame because he opposed the Speaker of the House.
Blake, it kind of makes me think, obviously he denies it, although it does make me think of the old Alice Cooper anecdote where he supposedly bit the head off a chicken on stage, and he actually did not, but when he denied it, He bit the head off a bat, and I think he literally did it, I can't remember, but Alice Cooper supposedly bit the head off a chicken, and then Frank Zappa calls him, and he's like, I don't care what you actually did, don't deny it under any circumstances.
And that's what Alice Cooper lived his entire career doing.
And now it's like, so he didn't, you know, admittedly, like the videos he supposedly was sharing, which he denies, like not with underage girls, sort of like, do you want to, you know, if you're doing this all to get famous anyway, just sort of like be evasive about everything and just say, like, people say a lot of things about me.
A lot of these things are unfair.
I mean, don't you think it's kind of like Gates has a little bit of that Trump ability where it's kind of baked into the cake that Yeah, we know you were a bit of a Lothario.
You know, you had a relationship with, what is it, Cassidy Hutchinson.
She denies it.
Like, you know, Gaetz is married though now.
Even Senator Mark Wayne Mullin said, you know, he admitted, he's like, obviously this was before he was married.
I think, you know, listen, I think we're socially conservative on this show, safe to say.
However, it's also baked into the cake with Matt Gaetz.
He's not as socially conservative, and this was just the way he was before he was married.
I think everybody knows that about him.
Do we excuse it?
What's that?
He's like Silvio Berlusconi in Italy, where Silvio Berlusconi is this, you know, right-wing leader in Italy.
He'll even, you know, support all of these... Or the Argentinian guy.
He'll even support socially conservative policies, as does the Argentine guy.
The guy's like, yeah, I'm very pro-life, anti-abortion, and also... He's a polygamist.
Yeah, he's like a polygamist who... He's pro-drug and pro-crypto.
Yeah, and he does weird Taoist stuff.
Yes, very strange.
All very strange.
And same with Berlusconi.
And you just lean into it.
I'm a colorful character, and it's like, what I personally do is not the same as the policies that I support.
And you just build the legend up.
I mean... And that's Gates in a nutshell.
It's just kind of like, like, can we stop acting like a bunch of losers all the time?
Like, I'm sick of this whole, like, oh, we're the Republicans.
We're the Ned Flanders party.
Hi diddlerino neighborino.
Did you get the game?
Did you see the, you know, what, what, what the, what's going on with the church moms this week?
Like, like hand the mic over to Martin Shkreli, hand the mic over to Donald Trump, hand the mic over to Matt Gaetz a little bit.
And you guys, you'll sit there and you'll say, you know, Mark Waymola, and he's a guy from Oklahoma, it's the first time he's ever cut a promo in his life.
I think the last time he did anything that he actually stood up for was regulating UFC.
If you guys remember that bill he was trying to push a while back.
It's like, oh, let's, let's get in there and regulate UFC because this is too, too dangerous.
You know, I remember when John McCain used to say that crap too.
It's like these guys are such losers and they wonder why they completely lost the culture.
They wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
They wonder why they just sit and they Hector you like a bunch of school marms.
Seriously, I'm sick of this party.
This is why I got out of politics and totally quit politics a long time ago.
Before the Trump movement, so I didn't vote for Romney, so I didn't vote for McCain.
It's just ridiculous.
I'm sick of the old GOP.
I'm sick of this crap.
So let's close this up then.
Do we like Trump as Speaker, Jack Posobiec?
I mean, it's more kind of a fun topic of what this would look like.
Dan Crenshaw is not going to vote for Trump as Speaker, okay?
Let's just be honest, right?
I mean, Dusty Johnson, Don Bacon, right?
But it's a fun thought exercise, right?
Blake?
The way it happens, the way it happens... There it is right there, yeah, Trump.
The way it happens is they bring it up and it starts voting and then they're halfway through and then some of the Democrats just say, yeah, I vote Trump as Speaker.
I want to see what happens when that occurs.
And they lean into it and they're like, yeah, full chaos mode.
And admittedly, I can imagine a lot of funny imagery.
One, you buy him a gavel that's two or three times as big as a normal one.
Just give him the hugest gavel ever.
Two, just imagine, imagine we're getting, you know, every time they hold a vote, Trump's like, let's have a nice, clean, fair vote, unlike the 2020 election, which was rigged, and then you have the Speaker of the House election, or not Speaker of the House, the State of the Union address, he could either just cancel it, he has to invite Biden to give the speech, he could just not.
He would just give it himself.
He could give it himself, he could say, here's the real State of the Union, up yours Biden, and I apologize for my terrible Trump accent by the way.
Or, we get the normal State of the Union, and he's seated right next to Kamala, behind Biden, making all of his facial expressions, during the speech.
There's a lot of potential here, and I admit, it is so ridiculous to imagine, but I want it to occur.
Jack, this obviously plays to all of Trump's strengths, right?
Parliamentarian issues, detail, you know, sitting in rooms for six to seven hours on end, organizing people you disagree with to try to have concessions on micro policy debates about the abstractions of corporate tax cuts.
All those things obviously play to Trump's strengths.
No, see, what I think Trump is actually doing here is, this is classic art of the deal, right?
It's a threat.
So he's threatening that he'll put himself up for speaker and, oh by the way, threatening that he'll reach out to his entire army, right, as Newsweek calls it and the FBI call it apparently, army of Trump supporters, through email and text messages.
Can you imagine the text messages, right?
Your member of Congress is refusing to support me for speaker.
Here's their phone number.
You need to call them immediately.
You need to get them on the horn.
Why do you refuse?
Imagine that in every single Republican district in this country going, no.
So what he's doing is he's threatening them.
And then he's basically coming back to saying, all right, I'll remove the threat if you agree to MAGA terms.
And you have to agree to those terms, number one, to get the Trump threat to go away.
But then number two, also to help him with With the election, endorsements, etc.
There's so many things he can use with this.
And then number three, you still have Matt Gaetz out there with the potential of the MAGA nuclear option, the command by negation.
He could do this whenever he wants.
The real thing that's very interesting, by the way, is the fact that not a single person has asked what's Ron DeSantis' opinion on the situation, opinion on the speaker question, and that is because the governor has reduced himself into complete political irrelevancy.
So Andrew, Trump for speaker.
You know, I gotta admit, there's a part of me that really loves it.
I think to Blake's point, I can just see the, I mean, let's be honest, DC is a complete circus.
It's a clown show.
And he can be the Barnum and Bailey of all of it.
And I think, you know, there's a part of me that would enjoy the chaos just because how could it get any worse?
And actually, maybe he would be surprisingly good at it.
When you talk about the art of the deal, getting people together on the same page that disagree with each other, he's actually pretty good at that.
Some of his, I would say, worst outcomes as president were probably because he actually enjoys making friends with Schumer and things like that.
So that's maybe, you could look at it as a weakness or a strength.
I think when you talk about detail, when you talk about parliamentary- I'm just saying, Speaker of the House is an awful job, let's just be honest.
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
You have to sit in subcommittee meetings and you have to get, like, yelled at by bowtie guy because page 84 has, you know, section 3 has some sort of regulatory issue and Trump would be like, forget it, you're the worst, I used to like you, take that stupid bowtie off.
No, it's just like, it's not exactly, he's a macro guy.
Can we all agree?
Trump is macro, right?
And the Speaker of the House is both macro and micro, where you have to- it's babysitting 217 people.
Right, Blake?
Exactly, exactly.
Just imagine him trying to corral them, you know, for the caucus meetings.
Even just like the basic fact- The House will now meet at Bedminster.
Yeah, he's gonna either force him to leave D.C.
or he'd have to go to D.C., which he probably doesn't want to do.
He barely likes living in the White House.
He doesn't even have his hotel anymore.
And it's... Alright.
I wonder if there's any other non-house speakers.
Like, you could name anyone.
You could elect... Tucker?
You could elect Tucker.
You could elect Elon Musk.
Zeldin.
You could... Zeldin is a name that people... The Legend of Zeldin?
The Legend of Zeldin would be great.
Zeldin would be terrific.
You could... anyone.
Zeldin could unite the tribes.
Zeldin could unite the tribes.
Speaker Charlie Kirk?
Oh yeah, you know what's so funny?
Someone actually recommended that in the chat.
Am I old enough to be speaker?
I don't think there's any rules.
I think you could elect a child speaker.
Wow.
Charlie turns 30 next week.
I would be a real bad speaker.
Let me tell you.
That would last.
Charlie's on the last gasp of 20s.
I know.
I'm getting too old for this.
I'm retiring.
The young Charlie Kirk.
Next Saturday, I'm done.
I made a promise.
I'd do it till I'm 30.
You have to retire, because the cardio rhino now.
He's hanging up his whoopies.
I'm going to go become a college football coach.
I gave it 12 years, guys.
See you later.
It's not a joke.
I'm going to start my college football coaching career and I will bring... You're going to Colorado?
You're going to primetime?
I will not coach for Deion Sanders.
That would not go well.
That would last about an afternoon.
Yeah.
I'll let everyone kind of just that pause of people wonder why.
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So Jack, educate me.
Right, so you've got, this is the love story of Antifa Betty, the tragic love story of Antifa Betty and her Antifa soy friend.
And, uh, what- what we have here is... What we have here is a failure to communicate.
No, it's- it's, uh... 4 a.m.
in the morning, two, essentially, Antifa members, supporters, and... This- this, you know, is- is immaterial, people would say, to the video itself, but I disagree, because they encounter... And- and before we play the video in full, guys, just- just pause it there for a second.
Before we...
...encounter what actually happens to them.
They're sitting on a bus, you know, bus stop bench, uh, Brooklyn, New York.
A crazed black psychopath, wielding a knife... At 4 a.m., right?
...walks past them.
4 a.m., yeah, it's like 3.51, the timestamp is there.
He walks past them.
In the video, you can see the guy get up off the bench with his girlfriend, walk towards the maniac, Engage him, start speaking with him, then he gets threatened with the knife and finally at that point freaks out and runs away.
He trips over the bench.
He is stabbed to death.
There's no reaction whatsoever during this at any point from the girlfriend.
Then, after they leave, she refuses to give the police a description of the assailant.
So, I think we have the uncensored video, and because this is Rumble, I say we let it fly.
Yeah, let's let it fly, and that's actually not unusual.
I'm gonna give an anecdote out of Germany that actually fits this, that you may or may not know about, because it actually got very little coverage.
Okay, let's play it.
Full disclosure, I hate watching this video, so I'm not gonna watch it.
Yeah, full disclosure, this is graphic.
Yeah, I'm gonna check some emails.
I'm totally desensitized to this at this point.
That's nice.
Yeah, if you have young kids, take them away from this park.
Hey!
Hey So over under how long that guy's going to be back on the streets?
Probably less than a decade.
Um, crime of passion.
He'll just say, yeah, crime of passion.
I'm sorry, not a, you know what I mean, a crime of excitement, not premeditated.
They'll say he was on drugs, systemic racism.
Way more simple.
We'll just have, you know, the Structural Racism Act of 2028, and they'll just kind of like saw 75% off of all of the prison sentences.
Yeah, so, but this gets weird, Jack, or noteworthy, because This person was a super left-wing activist, right?
And this is happening in a bizarre... Well, it's very strange what's happening right now, right, Jack?
It's in Philadelphia, here, Baltimore.
There are these pro-BLM white liberals that are getting hunted down by blacks at an alarming rate, right, Jack?
It's the Bides War genocide.
It's the Bides War genocide.
The Baizuo genocide.
It means white left in Chinese.
On Chinese internet, they like to call white liberals the white left.
Baizuo!
I don't, I can't say it right, but.
But it's not just whites, right?
We got, uh, Cuellar, the Democrat congressman who was carjacked.
You've got this Shivanti Sathbenandan, a Minnesota Democrat who got carjacked.
Um, and then yeah, you have this Philly guy who was like obsessed with Larry Krasner.
He was shot seven times and killed in his home.
And then, you know, and then you had this story.
Who's a Larry Krasner supporter?
He's a Larry Krasner supporter.
Yep.
A guy who my brother actually knew, by the way.
What's that guy's name?
I don't have it listed here.
Josh Krueger.
Yeah.
Say it again?
Josh Krueger.
And I don't think we know specifically if that was, he might've been shot by someone he knew.
He was in like the drug world.
No, no, there is a person, there is a person of interest in that.
However, that person was, So, uh, we're told that it was a former lover, um, also similar to the Matthew Shepard situation where he was killed by a former lover, despite what the media will tell you.
And, uh, in this case, that the same former lover who killed Josh Krueger shot him seven times in the chest.
Uh, police also say that it was this person of interest and again, person of interest, not suspect, not arrested yet.
So all the caveats there, but they do say that there are text messages that were, seemed very alarming to them.
from this individual and that it was the same individual who had essentially broken into his house recently after getting out of prison just some months prior.
So it seems to be a, to your point, it wasn't like a random killing.
So Blake, let's take a step back.
Talk about the macro here.
Okay, so macro, just to kind of put it on display, put up Cut 90.
This is a cartoon that actually pre-existed.
It was before the last few weeks.
It's a kind of a cartoon where it's, you know, this mother and her child walk in and they see kind of this like angry looking kind of white homeless guy and she's like let's do that and then at least we're still alive and then same thing with a you know different race where they're like let's keep going and well at least we're not racist r.i.p and you know that definitely is kind of a dynamic that probably plays out for example in the brooklyn case not in every case
but the big picture here is you know a lot of like elite liberals sort of they'll say all the right things but they know the score they don't live in the dangerous cities that they promote they live in you know they either live in a gated community or they live in their nice little like leafy suburb where it still looks like 1978 and and You know, they know what's going on in their cities, and they don't take part in it.
But you do have these kind of young, more radical ideologues who will very proudly say, like, it's all slander.
You know, Krasner's a great DA.
This city's awesome.
Everyone who says it's dangerous is full of crap.
And then they die.
And then some of them end up dying.
They pay the toll, as it were.
But this is where it gets sick.
And Jack, I don't want to bury the lead here.
The most important part of the story you just kind of said quickly, and I don't think everyone caught it.
That the young lady, they were dating or whatever, she watches her boyfriend get murdered in the street with a knife.
And then when the police ask her, she refuses to disclose the race of the victim, right?
Thereby disclosing the race of the... No, but again, it's not exactly rocket science.
No, no, what Blake is saying is that if it was a white assailant, then she would have been...
Easily likely to yeah, but but but this this is why I tell people this is a very cynical black pill moment I hope everyone understands this this is a very this is not funny in The sense of civilizational stuff because some people are saying oh, you know they deserve to die I don't like that stuff you guys could disagree you could I there's an element of you know awfully dark irony here, but no hold on this is where I get really black pilled and
This is a young lady who watched someone she cared about get slit in the throat, and when the police come to find out who did it, she refuses to give the information because she's more afraid of being called a racist than finding the justice for who killed her boyfriend.
I'm gonna give you another example.
In Germany recently, a young lady was gang-raped by a- you know this story?
By a bunch of Muslims.
And a bunch of Arabs.
She goes to the police and said, I was gang raped by a bunch of white Germans.
Lied about the race.
I remember.
I remember this.
This is a real story.
So that the police... A couple years ago, right?
I don't know the timeline.
Prager just told it to me.
And if Prager says it, that means he's vetted it.
Because he's very... he's a stickler for this stuff.
And I can find the time.
So the police go and try to find a group of white Germans that raped this girl.
She was willing to protect her rapists.
When asked, she said, I did not want to increase the anti-immigrant sentiment.
This is a girl that was gang raped and she was more concerned about protecting her rapists in pursuit of a racial revolution.
There is no saving these people because, you know, the talking point is, you know, they're going to turn into right-wingers as soon as their friends get murdered and their storefronts get bashed.
Jack, what did the friends of this guy say?
The friends came out and they said he would have felt sorry for them, for this black maniac, because he had a lack of stuff.
Because he was under-resourced, not under-resourced.
He was a lack of resources and a victim of society and a press member, and this is why... This black pills me.
I'm gonna be honest.
I'm gonna say this, and I say this with love.
I do say this with love, okay?
For the people out there who think all you need to say is that facts don't care about your feelings, it's actually backwards.
Because these people will never... No, that is very smart.
You're exactly right.
never, never accept appeals to reason.
Appeals to reason will never work on them, specifically for liberal women, but liberals in general.
It's because they are rooted in empathy.
Their politics are rooted in victimization, in empathy, in emotion, in emotional resonance, particularly for liberal women.
I tweeted this the other day, that what leftism has done is taken the natural maternal instinct and then reprogrammed that for the marginalized and depressed and victim classes of society.
It's completely Marxian, where they've taken this innate instinct that all women have to protect their children, and they've sort of gotten them to latch it on to these different, you know, these different groups of society.
And by the way, this doesn't only mean childless millennials or childless women.
You could have kids and still believe this stuff too.
It just means that they are playing on those natural emotional tendencies.
And so if you're sitting there citing statistics and logic and, you know, facts and reason and all this, like... This is not even logic!
This is... This is what's so amazing, Jack.
You're making a smart point, but when you see a murder happen in front of you, that defies... That's scarring!
That is feeling!
That's what's so amazing, is that it's ideology even over feeling!
Because it's faith.
Yes, that's the point.
That's what we're getting at.
There's a phenomenology of spirit here where this woman here on screen, I want you all, this is not isolated.
We have like tons of examples.
She was more concerned, right?
Blake, remember that guy in Atlanta that called the cops on the black guy terrorizing his family?
And he starts crying.
I didn't want this!
He was black and all this!
I'm not black-pilled on everything, but there is this talking point that I hear all the time.
Once it gets bad enough, people are gonna come to the right.
I don't see that.
I see that they will only be like, you know, it's a damn shame that my best friend got his throat slit in front of me, but let the revolution continue.
The one that I sometimes think of is I believe it was Molly Tibbetts, was the Iowa girl.
No, that's another good one, right?
Late 2017 or 2018.
Her stepfather, whatever, came out, University of Iowa.
He says, what he said was, like, I, you know... She was very pro-immigrant.
Yeah, she was very pro-immigrant, and then he, you know, after she gets murdered by an illegal immigrant, he says, you know, Mexicans, he just says Mexicans, everybody's like, they're just Iowans with better food.
Which, if you want to interpret that literally, it is, they are, strictly speaking, superior to us.
They are exactly the same as us, or better, in all ways.
That's very smart.
And you do, like, you will hear this.
It'll just be like, oh, man, we're getting a lot of, uh, you know, refugees in this town.
What does that mean?
We're going to get a bunch of great restaurants and otherwise nothing will change.
I want to read this headline here.
There's actually, I was going to say, there's actually a little more to this.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Um, they, his friends have launched a GoFundMe, uh, for this.
They say the beneficiary of this is Claudia Morales, the girl, the girlfriend.
They've currently raised $67,000.
This is not for funeral costs.
This is not for memorial.
It specifically says the money is for them.
We've got it here.
Bring it up on screen.
We can take a look at it.
Wait, what do you mean for them?
Is that like a trans thing?
They them?
No, no, no.
It says, immediate needs are to offset the costs of working class people taking time off of work.
And...
Essentially says that they're just, they're just raising money.
Like they're just taking money and exploiting this guy's death to put it in their own pockets, to give it to her.
And here's what's so crazy, Charlie, is that I've, so there's comments on this.
There's currently 39 as I look right now, because when you donate money, you can comment.
Not a single one of the comments that I've seen so far have mentioned the fact that he was murdered, have mentioned the murderer, have called for justice, have called for accountability.
Someone saying, you'll love this one, actually.
The reaction by some to Ryan's passing jarred me out of a deep nihilistic right-wing abyss in which I was living.
Reading about Ryan and his work reminded me that each of us has a story.
We love, we laugh, we have goals.
I will probably think about Ryan every day.
Andrew, you haven't chimed in yet.
What the hell is going on here?
I mean, this is really sick.
I was, I'm personally super disgusted by this whole story.
And I think my reaction is similar to yours, Charlie, that when we say it has to get bad enough in some of these blue hell holes for it to finally get better.
I mean, I think that's true to an extent.
I mean, you see Eric Adams is down in Mexico.
He's saying it's ruining, immigration is ruining the, New York City, you see this gang rape story out of Bemidji, Minnesota.
Which is like the sleepiest town in the Midwest.
Yeah.
It's weird how they send all the migrants to the whitest areas of America.
Why is that?
Yeah.
Well, Minnesota takes in more refugees and asylum seekers, I think, than any other state last I checked.
Or at least it's proportionally more than any other state.
They deliberately send them to the whitest areas.
Yeah.
No, of course.
And, but you see this, for folks who don't know this story, I mean, it's, it's in the same vein as, as Brooklyn, as Philly, Baltimore, which we haven't touched on yet, where you've got a white enclave, the cops go, this 11 year old girl was with an aunt, apparently the aunt took her out.
She gets plastered, says, let's hop in this car.
As soon as they get in the car, bags are put over their heads.
I think they kicked the ant out at some point.
They take the 11-year-old girl back to this home, and inside the home, she's tied up in between two other girls who are also tied up.
Four men took turns gang raping all three of them.
One of the girls untied the 11-year-old girl.
She manages to escape, and they take her to a hospital, and she reports the gang rape.
The cops execute a search warrant at the home, and lo and behold, there's 11 illegals just chilling in that home where these girls were getting gang raped.
They've arrested one man who's actually native-born Texan, but he's Hispanic.
And the 11 others were put in the custody of Border Patrol.
What's to happen to them?
I have no idea.
I mean, every single one of them, if they were complicit in any way, shape, or form of this crime, should be freaking taken out on the corner of the street and shot point blank.
And the fact that we're just unleashing hell onto the streets of America, I think that's how your tweet said it, Charlie.
And we are not more outraged, and yes we are, but the fact that Democrats in these blue cities are not outraged at what they are unleashing onto America, I think is the most morally repulsive And blackpilling event of at least the last five years for me.
Um, I'm so disgusted, but we see this trend in the media and we should show image one Oh one.
And it's a, it's a side by side because not only would this girlfriend not back to the New York Brooklyn poet, not only would the girlfriend not describe the victim or the assailant.
Now he, he, they actually, the police get this guy and CBS blurs out his face.
And so we were having a debate and Blake was like, is that common?
I was like, I don't think so.
I've never seen that before except with children.
It's because it's a black person who has privilege in America.
No, of course.
So that side by side with Daniel Penney, also CBS News.
We see his face real clear.
Now he's infamous.
Now he'll never live a normal life again for defending people on a subway car from a crazy man.
But yet this guy stabs a poet.
The girlfriend won't describe what he looks like.
They get him.
CBS won't even show him.
And so it's so endemic.
It's so like saturated through and through both the media complex as well as their little puppets on the street at 4:00 AM.
I mean, I don't know how you fix it.
The brainwashing is so thorough.
You can't fix it.
And I had the long private conversation with Prager, and I asked him this, because I really respect his moral clarity on this, and he said, Charlie, I was of the belief for a couple decades that you hit rock bottom, then all of a sudden people start to wake up, and it's not.
It's what Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in the Gulag Archipelago.
This is all thanks to ideology.
Ideology will trump reality.
It's a vision.
- So unbelievable.
- Yes.
- Most Americans and the most American right, there is this inevitability.
There's this, hey, it's going to get bad, and then all of a sudden people will come to their senses.
Like, no, it's just going to get worse.
- It's a vision, I think a lot of, it's sort of a very common, fantasy is probably the best word, A lot of conservatives... I used to believe it.
A lot of conservatives like the idea that people aren't listening to me, but there'll be this day where there's this big cataclysm and everyone turns to you and is like, You were right, Charlie!
Why didn't I listen to you?
Oh, I was so wrong!
And then they like sob and then you rebuild America.
It's like, it's sort of like the fantasy of, you know, there's an apocalypse and then you're the one who was prepared for it and all of that.
But, yeah, the sad truth is, is people can persist in ideological insanity to incredible depths.
The mind is so unbelievably powerful.
There are people who just fanatically believed in Adolf Hitler all the way to the point where, you know, the Soviets were in Berlin and gang raping everyone there, and they had just completely destroyed their country, and they still believed in him secretly afterwards.
And, you know, there were diehards for every regime.
It makes me think of two things.
One, you know, I've always wondered why, you know, in the Bible story of Exodus, Trump didn't let the original generation get to the promised land.
He let them all die off.
Except Caleb and Joshua were only two that got in.
Honestly, for some reason, that's what I'm thinking of right now.
It's like, how do you get to the promised land with these types of people in your ranks?
I don't know.
It's depressing.
Secondly, it makes me think of the fact, you know, this debate of what to do on the border.
You know, all these groups in Texas and Florida shipping migrants, illegals, to blue cities.
I mean, we're just going to get stuck with them forever.
I mean, these people will accept them.
So this is where conservatives get it wrong.
They think that they can just let things collapse, things will get worse and fall apart, and then we can come in and sweep things up.
No, that will not work because these people have been presented an ideology that persuades them.
The only response to this is an organized response, an organized vision for a way out, an organized system, a coalition of coalitions, if you will, whatever you want to call it.
You have to actually prevent, present, excuse me, You must present a vision for what's coming forward.
You must articulate that vision.
You must organize your ranks.
You have to go around the country.
It'd be amazing if we had an organization that was going around organizing youth for a conservative message at some point.
Hey, we should start one.
Someone should do chapters.
Someone should do that.
You're trying to change the direction of America.
It's like you're trying to reach a... It's almost as if there's almost a point of turning.
A point of... We'll think of a name.
Jack, sorry, continue.
You turn USA.
Love it.
Turn around.
Turn you.
Turn you.
How about this?
180, America.
I love it.
180.
No, and the thing is people just assume that it's going to happen by itself.
It won't.
This is why the Trump movement existed, because people finally got off their butts, they found a leader that people could rally behind, someone who had a clear, articulate vision for the way forward, someone who wasn't a loser, like one of these Ned Flanders, old right Republican conservative dorks, and was actually going to go forward and say, we're going to make America great again, we're going to be rich, we're going to be awesome, we're going to put people on the moon, and we're going to tell commies to shut up, and we're going to send them back to Trotsky.
It's basically a situation like that where it needs to come up again and if you don't have someone actually out there articulating it and organizations building it up, you are going to lose.
And this ideology, and by the way, thanks to the internet, right?
This crap isn't just stuck in like San Francisco and the inner city and stuff.
It's in every single school board of the entire country, and then thanks to the migration policies, you've got illegal, alien, pedophile, gang-rape gangs running through Bemidji, Minnesota.
So if you think that like, oh, it's just something I don't have to worry about, yeah, just wait until the migrants show up in your neighborhood and start gang-raping your children, then you gotta worry about it?
So, if you go deep into Mexico, I mean deep, right?
And the cartels control everything.
There was a story recently I heard from someone that works for us who has family in Mexico, where a guy raped a nine-year-old.
And the police, you know, get their hand on this pedophile.
And he's in the police house.
This happens all the time in Mexico.
And the cartels just came into the police house and was like, no, we're taking him.
And yeah, they cut that guy's nuts off, strung him up, and killed him in the public square, and left him there for a week.
Taliban started as pedophile killers, too.
No, and I'm not saying that's what- That's actually why they got so popular.
But I'm not saying that's what we do here, but what the point is that white liberals that go to college is like, well, we must feel sorry for the pedophile.
And you look at it like you must be taught this, is what I'm saying.
Is that at the most fundamental existence, the third world, they don't put up with this stuff, right?
This is not something that is considered normal or acceptable.
You look at what is the commonality of every single one of these people right now, the blogger in Philly, the young lady that got raped.
Is it true that that young lady who is the tech CEO, Forbes 30 under 30 or whatever, that she held the elevator for her killer?
Is that right?
She let him in her building.
She let him in her building.
And she also let him in her elevator.
And she had, you know... So if she was racist, she was probably still alive.
Think about this.
If she would have been racist, she'd still be living.
Number 95.
Show it again.
If she would have... Charlie, is pattern recognition racist?
No, no, no.
This is a thought crime.
If she would have been a bigot, she'd still be breathing?
Yeah.
Got it.
But remember, just like in Brooklyn, to cross the street is racist.
No, but think about it.
So there's two people on the street.
Obama criticized his grandmother, I believe, for being someone who would cross the street if she saw an ominous-looking person.
That's exactly right.
I remember there was like a radio interview.
Don't believe your lying eyes.
She was a typical white person, I think is what he said.
I'm not making a defense for bigotry or racism.
What I am saying, though, is that there's worse crimes, worse things than bigotry or racism.
She still has a fear of strange black men.
No, it's Charlie.
What you're touching on is actually deeply profound to the American psyche.
How?
I'll never forget.
I was at a bar.
It was like a cigar lounge in L.A.
I'll leave the name off the guy.
The guy's Cuban guy who owns it.
Actually, Michael Knowles had been in there.
I'd found that out that night.
But the point is, he was beloved.
This guy, everybody loved this guy.
And I was talking to him and he was He was making fun of how much Americans care about racism.
He's like, oh, in Cuba, we just call a spade a spade about all this stuff.
But the American psyche is so conditioned to put, you know, this accusation of racism and why it's been such an effective cudgel against those of us on the right for years.
Is that if you call somebody a racist, it's, you know, like a death sentence.
I think that that era is changing, slowly.
But, yeah, I mean, nobody's defending it.
No, but I mean, let me just, like, interrupt.
Like, if you're a single white female in an urban area, and you see a 22-year-old black guy that wants to get into your building, and you have, like, maybe a pattern recognition, honestly, God bless you for not letting that guy into the building.
Okay, he has to wait for the next person, you're still alive.
But no, instead, she's like, well, I don't want to be called a racist.
Let the revolution continue.
Oh, he comes in and rapes you and kills you.
Maybe a little bit of noticing would have been good.
You'd still be alive.
Pattern recognition saves lives.
What I'm getting at, though, is they're so afraid of violating the... It's almost like the unforgivable sin of America, right?
It's not blaspheming the Holy Spirit or taking the Lord's name in vain.
It is, thou shalt not have a racist thought, right?
And it's uniquely American.
I mean, I'm not saying that Australia and Great Britain don't have similar sort of things or whatever built into their society ethics, but America, because of the Civil War, because of slavery, And you know what's funny is that so much of that is astroturf.
If you want to flip everything on its head, how about we say it like this?
No, America sacrificed 600,000 people to righting that wrong.
Yes.
No, you know what?
America, you know, the West in general ended slavery, right?
I mean, there's some seriously... Slavery was endemic until the British Empire got rid of it.
Well, they're still selling slaves in Africa.
They're still selling slaves in Africa.
So I'm just saying it's like, We have been so conditioned and brainwashed from a very young age to think this way.
And it's actually all BS.
I'm not saying that racism isn't wrong, it's not real, sure.
But like the vast majority of this, what we call racism is what, you know, what we just diagnosed as pattern recognition.
You know, God help us for wanting to protect our family from something that... And also, it's just not even close.
3% of the population does 60% of the murders.
It's 3%.
Yeah, because it's, you know, it's not even just, you know, the usual one is that, you know, Black Americans commit more murders, but it's even narrower than that.
It's, you know, if you take black men, like 15 to 26 or so, that is the range where the huge proportion of America's, you know, murders, robberies, everything, you know, if you're, women mostly don't commit too many crimes, and just like, when you're old, you mellow out, you stop committing crimes, or you're in jail for crimes you've already committed.
So Jack, I'll be very honest, I do not have the spirit, the gusto, or the interest in Columbus Day.
Why should I care?
The floor is yours.
Well, Charlie, do you do you care about a little something called the United States of America?
Do you care about a little something called the West?
Do you care about a little bit something called the country in which we live that we are trying to save every day?
Well, none of that would exist if it wasn't for the man himself, Christopher Columbus.
And the real question that I have is Christopher Columbus.
Was he a hero or a superhero?
Personally, for me, I'm going to go in the superhero column.
The man who was trying to find gold in order to fund another crusade to win over the Holy Land the same way that King Ferdinand had just kicked the Moors out of Spain in the Reconquista.
They were eventually trying to kick the Moors and their brethren out of the Holy Land in the same year, by the way, the Reconquista ended.
Blake, what year?
1492.
What else happened that year, Blake?
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Every kid knows that rhyme.
It's amazing.
You see, it all fits together.
But how many people told you that it was directly tied to the Reconquista of Spain, the re-Christianization of Spain, of bringing Christianity to the New World, which they later found out it was the New World.
And then hopefully the finding of gold in order to fund a new crusade against the Holy Land.
Which, I mean, there's so many different things that are tied into this that get completely taken out.
And look, look at how many cities in this country we've got named after Columbus.
Look at how many statues.
Our capital city is called the District of Columbia, based on Columbus.
Here's one for a pop quiz for anybody out there.
What is the statue on top of the United States Capitol building?
It's probably Christopher Columbus.
And it's probably some woman named Columbia.
Well, it's it's the woman Columbia who is the stylized, you know, sort of goddess of America based on Britannia, who was the sort of the stylized goddess of Great Britain.
And then so this is, but again, based on Columbus, because the original name for America, which was very highly favored among even a number of the founding fathers, was to call our country Columbia.
Uh, based on the, on the heroism and the exploits of Christopher Columbus.
And so, and I see people will say like, what about Eric the Red?
What about, you know, uh, you know, what about the fact that he just got lost?
And it's like, you're, you're completely, you're completely missing the actual impact of the man's accomplishments in life and the absolute world historic change That it had on basically the entire planet and the trajectory of humanity.
Alright, so that's the Italian propaganda.
Blake, why is he wrong?
I mean, here's the counterpoint.
Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth, which is America had a ton of Italian immigrants.
They were a controversial addition to the United States.
They were sometimes associated with urban crime problems and such.
And, you know, they were like, okay, we need to placate them with a holiday.
And so, in a way, Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth.
Like, do people really celebrate Columbus Day?
Placate the Founding Fathers, confirmed.
I mean, the Founding Fathers, if you can point to me towards the Founding Fathers celebrating Columbus Day as a federal holiday, I'll appreciate it.
No, no, I'm not talking about celebrating Columbus Day.
I'm talking about celebrating Columbus and Columbus's accomplishment, which is very important.
So, what I will say is that the Columbus was a deeply faithful man.
Some of the writings, some of the writings from Columbus, you know, people, I don't know, I think they would criticize him as a, you know, you know, genocide against the natives.
These are some like, you know, I want to ask about that.
Yeah.
Some of the comments that people will make this way and that way.
If you read his writings and you are a believing spirit filled Christian and you read Columbus's writings, you will instantly know that his faith was authentic.
His faith was spirit-filled, so profound and I believe God Absolutely, providentially, um, led Columbus.
I have zero doubt in my mind.
Just about three minutes.
Blake, is there any truth to the blanket thing?
The blanket thing?
Not by Columbus.
Uh, that was allegedly done as a war tactic in the 1700s.
It was Lord Jeffrey Amherst, namesake of Amherst College.
They're very upset about that one today, of course.
Uh, but he's allegedly the one who did it during the French and Indian War, I believe.
Columbia University, there's another one.
Yeah, Columbia, there's Columbia stuff, yeah.
I mean, overall, obviously, it's fun to say, you know, it's 1800s Juneteenth.
But yes, like, we should, you know, celebrate Columbus, because ultimately, Columbus discovering America was, it was a good thing, if only because it led to the creation of the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world, of course, and it created the modern world.
We just, we cannot comprehend the world as it exists without Columbus being the guy who decided to miscalculate the size of the world, think he could sail to China in less time than it would actually take, and he, you know, ran into America and, you know, It created the modern world.
We're all going to eat the foods that created, we're going to live under the society and just, he created, he actually created the global world, essentially.
Before that, it was just a bunch of continents far separated and it is because of Columbus's legacy that we live in a world that is fully interconnected and is western in orientation.
Not eastern, not middle eastern, not anything else.
All right, closing thoughts, guys.
We have lots to get to.
Gotta hit the road, head to Florida.
Any closing thoughts, Jack?
Christopher Columbus was a brave Italian explorer, and in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero.
End of story.
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That was a really great episode, I have to say.
We got into some pretty good stuff there, and we're going to have some guests coming up on the Charlie Kirk Show.
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