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EPISODE 567: WILL UKRAINE FORCE A GOV’T SHUTDOWN IN THE US, WILL JULIAN ASSANGE BE PARDONED?

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	They're going to try to tie Ukraine aid to keeping the government open and then they're going to say, oh no, it's your fault.
	It's their fault if they want to keep the government open by keeping another government open.
	How many people are legally coming into the United States is enough.
	Enough for what?
	I know the numbers, but enough for what?
	As I mentioned, this is a problem that's been around for some time now, for decades.
	Together with our partners in Ukraine, we have provided humanitarian aid as well as tens of millions of people with food, clean water, and so much more.
	War is inherently unpredictable, of course.
	So, I can't look you in the eye and I certainly can't look them in the eye and predict exactly what's going to happen on exactly what timetable.
	And therefore, we need to have a degree of flexibility.
	I'm not going to stand here and give a precise figure.
	What I will tell you is that we have supplied to the Congress every dollar that has been obligated.
	The United Auto Workers strike against General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis has entered its third day.
	It's the first time members have struck all three unionized U.S.
	automakers at the same time.
	New Jersey Democratic Senator Bob Menendez and his wife have been indicted on corruption-related charges.
	Menendez is the powerful chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
	He and his wife were accused of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for the Democratic Senator's influence.
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	Now, today is September 22nd, 2023.
	Anno Domini.
	Folks, look what's going on around us here in Washington, D.C.
	Zelinsky's in town.
	He's having a great time.
	We just found out that we're going to be giving him long-range ballistic missiles.
	That's wonderful.
	I wonder what they're going to use those for.
	Starting World War III?
	Perhaps.
	We'll find out.
	Next, we find out that Zelensky has also asked Marina Abramovich to be an ambassador for Ukraine.
	That he wants her specifically to help build schools in Ukraine.
	I wonder if she's going to be teaching, I don't know, maybe a cooking class for the children.
	You guys know anything about Marina Abramovich?
	We all know how much she loves her cooking.
	Very spirited.
	And then, of course, we have the case of Bob Menendez.
	And I've seen a lot of people Really going in on this Bob Menendez story saying, ah, look at these Democrats, right?
	That's sort of the conservative media response today.
	These crooked Democrats, they're doing the same thing that Hunter and Joe, et cetera.
	But I have a potentially different take.
	Why go after Bob Menendez?
	Are we suddenly going to be on the side of the DOJ?
	The Southern District of New York, SDNY.
	Are we going to just suddenly trust them based on everything they said?
	And I agree, the evidence of corruption is very high.
	But do you really think that Bob Menendez is the only corrupt politician in Washington right now?
	No.
	There's a reason they're targeting Bob Menendez right now.
	There's a reason they're going after him, and I'll tell you why.
	It's because Bob Menendez has been a thorn in the side of the Democrats when it comes to their Iran policy for years.
	Bob Menendez recently spoke out against the $6 billion deal that Joe Biden conducted with Iran to get the hostages back.
	Bob Menendez also was against the Iran deal in the first iteration under Barack Obama.
	That's why guess who?
	is out there ringing the bell on all of this right now, Ben Rhodes.
	Oh, Ben Rhodes.
	And it's interesting that right when Menendez was against the first Iran deal, that's when his first corruption charges came up.
	Do you get how it works, folks?
	This regime that we are living under, they've decided that when someone becomes too much of a problem for them, regardless of the issue, but Menendez is still liberal.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Still liberal, probably did all that stuff.
	But do you really think he's the only one in D.C.
	who's doing it?
	No.
	They don't want him on the Foreign Relations Committee as a Democrat saying what he's saying the same way that they don't want Russell Brand out there saying what he's saying, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, We're going to have a conversation later in the show about someone that the regime has moved heaven and earth to silence.
	And his name is Julian Assange.
	And we've got a very special guest here with us today that will come up later in the show to talk about it.
	Coming up in the next segment, very excited to announce that we do have Ohio Senator J.D.
	Vance will be joining the program.
	J.D.
	Vance is one of the only senators in America, one of the only politicians in America, Who actually says what he means and means what he says.
	He puts the American people first.
	And he has been swinging on this Ukraine funding and specifically the issue of this Sarah Ashton Cirillo, we call her Big Mike, who seems to have lost their job as the spokes creature for Ukraine.
	We've got a lot of show coming up today, so stay tuned.
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	All right, Jack Posobiec back here at Live Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.
	Very excited to bring on our next guest, Senator J.D.
	Vance of Ohio joins us.
	J.D., thanks so much for joining us.
	How are you?
	Oh, I'm doing great.
	So walk us through the situation that you found yourself in this week.
	This individual from Ukraine suddenly is out there putting people, myself included, on hit lists, saying they're going to be tracked down.
	At the same time, That the president of Ukraine, Zelensky, is in D.C.
	demanding billions and billions of dollars all at the same time that you guys are currently locked in a budget fight right now.
	What is it like to be in the middle of all that?
	Well, it's pretty wild, man.
	So if you go back a little bit, so last week this person, it's a transgender person who is a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, publishes a video, basically says, if you engage in, quote, Russian propaganda, you will be hunted down.
	Well that kind of caught my eye because I've been accused of Russian propaganda.
	I know you have too.
	Pretty much anybody who questions the party line on Ukraine has been accused of Russian propaganda.
	So I naturally asked the question, are you going to kill me and a bunch of my friends because we don't think the United States should drop another 25 billion into Ukraine?
	That led to a sort of a social media firestorm where eventually I guess this person stepped down From the post is Ukrainian spokesperson.
	And as you said, at the very same time, this is all happening.
	Zelensky comes to the Senate yesterday and is demanding another 25 billion dollars.
	And I think, Jack, if you sort of set this against the backdrop of the government shutdown fight.
	This guy is basically coming and saying, if you don't give me my $25 billion, I'm going to shut down your government.
	That's exactly what he's doing because Chuck Schumer will not fund the government unless it includes money for Ukraine.
	So the Democrats are really setting up a fight here where, do we continue to pay our Border Patrol agents or do we pay the $25 billion to Ukraine?
	It's crazy to me that they've gotten themselves into this political place, but of course they have.
	And you put out a statement earlier and I'm not going to ask you to reveal anything that you learned in your classified briefing other than the fact that you put out basically an assessment of that briefing and back briefed your constituents and really the whole world as to saying That what they're asking for in terms of this, because, OK, we have a new we have a new chief of the joint staff over at the Pentagon.
	We've got, you know, hopefully new planners.
	We're looking at the counteroffensive.
	Is there actually a plan in place?
	Do they have a set objectives and goals where they're going to be in a month, six months?
	Those kind of things that you would normally see when we're being asked to essentially underwrite another country's war.
	No, they don't, Jack.
	And before I give you some details there, of course, without revealing classified information, let me just say that these briefings are very often a farce.
	So you sit down with these guys and you get two hours for a briefing and 50 minutes is taken up by them giving introductory remarks of repeating the same slogans.
	You could live stream that 50 minutes to Russia and China.
	It wouldn't matter because there's no real classified information.
	There's nothing really interesting coming out of it.
	Then the Q&A starts, and that is sometimes interesting because some of the senators have interesting questions.
	And what became very obvious, Jack, is number one, our government does not believe that there will be a major breakthrough.
	You can see this in the New York Times.
	You can read this anywhere.
	They do not think there's going to be a major breakthrough in this conflict.
	So what they're really asking is for an indefinite amount of funding for an unlimited amount of time.
	And that is ridiculous.
	We cannot sanction this.
	You know, Jack, I've been skeptical of this from the very beginning.
	I was one of the few who said we should not be funding the war from the very beginning, but whatever.
	A year and a half ago doesn't matter.
	The fact that we're talking about funding this war indefinitely is insane.
	It's going nowhere except possibly escalation.
	You know what we don't Talk enough about Jack.
	We're causing a worldwide spike in food prices, especially in Africa, because Africa gets so much of its food from Ukraine.
	What happens when 1.5 billion starving Africans decide they're going to start engaging in mass migration into Europe and Asia?
	That's another worldwide refugee crisis on the back of the 2015 Syrian refugee crisis.
	Are Europe and Asia prepared for that?
	Is the world prepared for that?
	The knock-on effects of continuing this war indefinitely, it's going to lead to mass starvation, refugee crisis, and God forbid, nuclear war.
	We've got to stop and there's no end in sight.
	Our government is not telling us the very basic issue, Jack.
	The government is not telling us how long is this going to go on for, what are we trying to accomplish, and how much money does it take to accomplish it.
	Until they give us those answers, No senator should vote for another dime to Ukraine.
	Well, and I should also ask, you know, we did have breaking news, I guess, earlier this morning that even though Biden had said in the past that we would not be providing long range ballistic missiles to Ukraine, that it's now essentially come out as sort of the deliverable for Zelensky's visit.
	That NBC News has a story that an agreement has been made where a small number of ATACOM's long range ballistic missiles are going to be transferred from the United States to Ukraine.
	I'd love to get your response on that.
	Yeah, so I'm still digesting it, Jack.
	I just first heard this news about an hour ago, but my initial reaction is it is crazy.
	When does this stop, Jack?
	We have a war that is effectively in a quagmire between the Russians and Ukrainians.
	The killing is nonstop.
	We're talking about hundreds of thousands of just military dead to say nothing of the fact that we have millions of civilians on top of that affected by it.
	When are we going to stop this thing?
	Okay, so we give them long-range ballistic missiles.
	That doesn't change the balance of the conflict.
	What do we give them next?
	At what point do you have U.S.
	Senators recommending that we give them tactical nuclear weapons?
	I fear that we're actually not far from that point.
	Of course, it would be psychotic, but so much of what we've done up to this point has been equally psychotic.
	Well, that's exactly right, because last night, for example, there was this attack.
	Essentially, it looked like a strike on the Russian Baltic naval fleet there in Sevastopol, which, of course, is in Crimea.
	So much of the conflict, even going back to the Maidan, is centered around that naval base really being the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet for the Russians and has been for a very, very long time.
	Um, this, this attack apparently was, was conducted using the Storm Shadow cruise missiles and, uh, out of the UK.
	So the real question I suppose then becomes, how do the Russians respond if ATAKM's missiles are being used not for, uh, not directly on the battlefield, but going and hitting targets within, uh, Russian held territory like Crimea or even within Russia proper?
	Well, that's the question, right, Jack?
	Do they continue escalating their side of the conflict?
	And so you have this tit-for-tat that ends up in an extraordinarily dangerous situation.
	God forbid a nuclear war, maybe a broader land war within Europe.
	Where are the statesmen here, Jack?
	This is my question, right?
	You hear a lot of talk about how Donald Trump is not statesmanly-like because he doesn't talk the way that the State Department does.
	Well, maybe what we need in our statesmen is people who speak directly but aren't trying to lead the world into nuclear war.
	That is a lot closer to Donald Trump than anybody in current leadership in the United States government.
	I just think this is so, so crazy.
	What are we doing?
	What are we trying to accomplish?
	You hear this talking point, Jack.
	From people who support our continued involvement in Ukraine.
	They say if we don't continue to support the Ukrainians, the Chinese will think that we're weak.
	Because if we abandon the Ukrainians, maybe we abandon Taiwan, maybe we abandon someone else.
	I don't think the Chinese give a damn if we thump our chest and act tough.
	They care if we're smart.
	They care if we have enough missiles and munitions to defend a potential ally.
	We're sending all those missiles and munitions to Ukraine and not preserving them for our own uses.
	So we're running out of bullets.
	We're running out of our capacity to defend ourselves.
	We're escalating a war in Europe.
	That's what the Chinese care about.
	They don't care about how tough we talk.
	They care about how smart we are and how tough we're willing to engage if it comes to it.
	This war is weakening us.
	It may make a lot of Washington neocons feel tough.
	That doesn't matter.
	What matters is how strong we are as a country and this war currently is weakening us.
	All right, just a couple of minutes left.
	I'd love to get your take.
	If there's anything you're able to tell us about what you've heard the latest, and we know there's CRs, there's Ukraine funding on the table.
	What's the latest that you're hearing as we are now?
	Because as it stands, I think last time I checked, we're what, six, seven days away from a potential government shutdown over these very issues.
	Yeah, well, I think where we are, Jack, and just to sort of lay my cards on the table, I think the House conservatives who are trying to really negotiate some significant cuts, some frankly defunding of the weaponized Department of Justice, they're taking the right approach.
	Of course, they have to negotiate with themselves and deliver a package to the United States Senate.
	But what we're then hearing is that Chuck Schumer will not fund the government, will shut down the government unless There is a spending package that includes $24 billion for Ukraine.
	So this really is the fight that's being set up on the United States Senate.
	Do we pay our border patrol agents or do we pay Zelensky and his generals?
	Do we continue the war in Ukraine or do we actually spend some resources defending our own sovereignty?
	I don't think we can hammer that message home enough because it's the sort of thing that drives home How much this war is a distraction from core American priorities.
	I obviously don't want a government shutdown.
	I want us to sort of cut spending.
	I think the House can deliver a package that does just that, that ensures that we have a functioning government, but also gets us back on a sustainable fiscal pathway.
	But I worry that the Democrats in the Senate might screw it up because it's Ukraine or nothing for these guys.
	And if that's what they're doing, if they're holding the U.S.
	government hostage to Ukraine funding, we got to hammer them over the head with it and we've got to make them pay politically.
	Well, it's a simple question.
	And I think your colleague Mike Lee out of Utah posted pretty well.
	He said, you know, this is the flag of your country, U.S.
	flag.
	This is not the flag of your country, the Ukrainian flag.
	And it's just as simple as that.
	And if the government's going to be shut down, Over Ukraine funding?
	Well, I think the government should focus on funding for Americans first.
	JD Vance, where can people go to follow you to get all the updates?
	Yeah, I'm on Twitter, JDVance1, all the social media, Facebook and X and all that stuff.
	JDVance.com is my website.
	Would appreciate people following along.
	We need as much support we can get.
	The silent majority has to stop being silent, Jack.
	We know that we're in the right on this issue.
	If my Republican colleagues in Washington hear it, we might actually be able to stop this funding and stop this war.
	Be able to stop a war.
	Amen.
	Senator JD Vance fighting for the people that elected him to office.
	The people he represents.
	What a concept!
	I didn't realize that we had actual citizen leaders like that before.
	But there you go.
	J.D.
	Vance, a breath of fresh air in this town, which I got to tell you, smells a little bit swampy.
	Coming up next, all about Julian Assange.
	You talk about influences.
	These are influences and they're friends of mine, Jack.
	Where's Jack?
	Jack?
	He's done a great job.
	All right, Jack Roselbeck back here, live Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.
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	There's been a case that's been going on in U.S.
	courts, British courts, and international courts for years at this point.
	Almost a complete decade plus at this point.
	Something that we haven't talked about here on the show in quite some time.
	But our next guest is here to give us an update on it and a special petition because it's been a long time since we've said the name or talked about the case of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.
	And let's be serious.
	Every time the United States government, particularly this State Department, comes out and says, we support the rights of journalists, we support the right of freedom of speech, we support the right of journalists to be able to conduct their craft and do so upholding the rights and privileges of a journalist, then the real question is, why has the United States gone and filed charges against Julian Assange?
	Why is that man behind bars?
	Because the only crime he did The same thing that you'll see in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal.
	Every single day, he printed government documents that he obtained from a source.
	This is First Amendment-protected activity, and it's as simple as that.
	His main crime for them was exposing the things that they were doing, the dirty deals that they were up to.
	And I believe... Guys, do we have that clip?
	Do we have that Assange clip I wanted to play?
	Let's play that clip.
	All right, let's play that clip, guys, right here.
	Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.
	The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax basis.
	In the case of Julian Assange, I very much hope the UK government might rethink their position about extraditing him to America.
	Because I don't in any way believe he'd get a fair trial there.
	If our governments were more honest and more forthcoming about their actions and their activities, probably there wouldn't be a need for journalists like Julian Assange to do what they do.
	But we all know that that is not the case.
	And they're not forthcoming nor honest about many, many things.
	And for me, it's quite critical to know what is done in my nature.
	All right, and then we actually started playing the one clip, but guys, do we have that full clip?
	We have that play a full clip of Assange where he's talking about war.
	He's talking about Afghanistan.
	Let's play that clip in full.
	It's very important.
	Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.
	The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, out of the tax bases of European countries, through Afghanistan, and back into the hands of a transnational security alliance.
	That is the goal, i.e.
	the goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war.
	The goal is for the transnational security elite to have an endless war, not a successful war, so that they can wash the money out of the tax bases of their home countries into their own pockets.
	He was talking about Afghanistan.
	We're talking about Ukraine.
	You heard Senator J.D.
	Vance in the very last segment.
	This is why they are putting And have put Assange behind bars.
	Joining us here for the first time in the program, live in studio, we have Australian Senator Alex Antic.
	Alex, thank you so much for joining us today.
	Jack, thanks for having me.
	It's great to be here.
	So, tell me about your delegation.
	Why did you guys decide to come to DC?
	Why are you here?
	It's not just you, obviously, but explain to us the background.
	Yeah, well look, it's a delegation of around about five parliamentarians from Australia.
	We have a different system.
	We have senators and members of the House of Representatives.
	And we've got a broad range of views, just like you do here up on Capitol Hill.
	You've got a range from the left and a range from the right.
	Oh, it's a whole circus up there.
	We've been there.
	I've seen it.
	It's very interesting from an outsider's point of view.
	But what is very, very unique is to see a cross-party delegation like this.
	I mean, we've had people on this delegation that wouldn't agree on anything, you know, anywhere except the plight of Julian Assange.
	So we've got people from the left, people from the right, people from the centre.
	And we're here with the purpose of taking the message to the United States lawmakers and the various departments, the Department of State, the DOJ and others, that Australians overwhelmingly want to see Julian Assange home.
	They want to see him home and we'd like to see him home before Christmas.
	He has a wife and two kids.
	Two kids that he hasn't seen, by the way, as a free man.
	He's been his entire time the kids have been alive.
	Either in the Ecuadorian embassy or now in Belmarsh prison in the United Kingdom.
	So this is a, it's not a left and right issue in Australian terms.
	We know now that From polling that was done that about 9 out of 10, just short of 9 out of 10 Australians believe that Julian should be brought home.
	We also bring with us a letter signed by 67 of our parliamentarians.
	Now there are only around about 220, that's almost a third of parliament that have signed this letter asking for Julian to be returned to Australia.
	This is unheard of.
	This has never happened before as far as I'm aware.
	And you have to take into account there that there are members of the executive arm of government that can't sign that letter.
	So it's probably even closer to a half if you look at it in real terms.
	And many more that would be sympathetic in any event.
	This guy has done time.
	He's done his seven years or thereabouts in the Ecuadorian Embassy, and now I think another four in Belmarsh.
	And, you know, we are talking about the act of journalism ultimately.
	I mean, he is not the person that got his hands on this material.
	You know, whether or not you think Julian's a good guy or a bad guy, it doesn't really matter.
	Ultimately, this is about the rule of law, and it's time to bring Julian home.
	Now, so the current status is that he's awaiting extradition to the United States, where he has been charged with essentially stealing and publishing government documents, and we could spend a lot of time going through those actual charges.
	But that he is charged in the U.S., the U.K.
	has yet to really come to their final ruling on whether or not he will make that extradition to the United States.
	There's appeals he's going through.
	So when you say bring him back to Australia, Are you, what is this specific ask?
	Are you asking for the charges to be dropped or an extradition to Australia?
	And of course, by the way, if we haven't said it, Assange is an Australian citizen, Australian national, Australian native, that's why for Australia it's so significant.
	That's right, well he's an Australian citizen and he's not someone that even on any measure committed a crime in the United States.
	These are extraterritorial offences which Bring with them a range of other issues.
	We've at the moment got an Australian journalist, a Chinese-Australian journalist called Cheng Lai that is detained in mainland China for undisclosed crimes of journalism in a very similar manner.
	You know, ultimately, if we're going to become world citizens and be able to say that we support free journalism, then this could happen to anyone anywhere.
	You know, for an Australian to travel, say, for example, to Indonesia, where there's an extradition treaty, and an Australian journalist is pinched off the street.
	I mean, how can we complain?
	How can the United States complain about the treatment of its own prisoners overseas when circumstances where we're really seeing an Australian citizen being detained for things that he didn't even consider on American soil.
	So it's a very strange situation.
	You're right about the extradition proceedings.
	The extradition proceedings are before the courts at the moment, we're led to believe through his lawyers that the decision on whether or not to extradite Julian could happen at any day.
	It literally could happen today or tomorrow or in a week's time or in a month's time.
	We just don't know.
	That's a matter for the courts.
	But ultimately they are hand in glove those two matters.
	A matter of the charges and a matter of the extradition.
	Really without one the other doesn't follow.
	Without the charges there'd be no extradition.
	That's right.
	So we would like to see Julian returned home and that brings with it the suggestion that the charges should be dropped.
	All right.
	So the U.S.
	the U.S.
	then drops.
	And of course, by the way, we saw this already with Joe Biden's predecessor, Barack Obama, because, as you mentioned, there was a source for Julian Assange.
	That was Bradley Manning, goes by Chelsea Manning.
	And they had that soldier, former soldier, actually was not pardoned by Obama when he left office.
	But ended up having their sentence commuted, essentially, which means so you still have this, it's on the books, but you don't have to serve your time anymore.
	So basically what you're saying is there's already precedent for something like this.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is it.
	So, so the, uh, the, the, the, you know, the person that ultimately was charged and convicted with that, uh, by the, of the offense is a free.
	It's free.
	It's free.
	And yet Julian has spent the last 10 or 11 years of his life in one form of solitary confinement or another.
	And let's be clear, the conditions in Belmarsh are difficult.
	This is effectively a UK supermax prison.
	He has very little free time, very little air, airtime in the outdoors, very little time outside of almost a solitary confinement type arrangement.
	These are difficult, difficult, difficult conditions.
	And of course, if he was to come to the United States, he would be, I presume, taken to a supermax prison.
	And supermax, that's Ted Kaczynski.
	That's where Ramsey Youssef, that's the Unabomber.
	That's all of our sort of top levels, like Rias Moussaoui, top level criminals and convicts and terrorists.
	It's out in Colorado.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	So these are, you know, on any measure, human rights issues.
	He's not in good mental health, we're told.
	Our message here, though, is not really to go into the detail of the charges.
	Our message here is just to bring the suggestion to the American lawmakers and departments that Australians, great allies of the United States, great friends of the United States, say it's time for this to end.
	It's time for Julian to come home.
	Time for this to end, time for Julian to come home.
	Look, we speak out when Wall Street Journal reporters, currently there's one being held behind bars in Russia because he was investigating the Wagner Group and their recruitment practices all the way out and deep within Central Russia and Siberia.
	How can the United States claim any kind of moral superiority over a regime like Russia, a regime like China, when we are locking up people for the crime of doing journalism?
	We've got another couple of segments coming up here.
	Australian Senator Alex Antic joins us live in studio.
	We're talking about the case of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.
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	So we're continuing that discussion.
	Alex, when we look at these situations, one of the things that always gets me about Assange is this was a guy that when Bush was president and he was speaking out against the Iraq War, His first videos came out, this helicopter attack, which ended up killing journalists that the administration had tried to, at the time, the Pentagon really tried to cover up.
	When he exposed secrets in Afghanistan, he was viewed as a hero by the international celebrities.
	People were out there speaking about him all the time, received so many awards.
	WikiLeaks were receiving awards.
	But then all of a sudden something happens in 2016, and he starts putting out information regarding the Clintons and these operations, and now he becomes a pariah.
	Now he's facing charges.
	What happened?
	Why is the media turned on him so completely?
	Yeah, look, it's a great question, Jack.
	And in fact, just to add to that list, he actually won Australia's highest journalist award, the Walkley Award in Australia.
	So this is, you know, and that was 2009 or thereabouts, I think.
	So he was riding the wave.
	He was the rock star outsider journalist for a little while.
	And then for whatever reason, of course it appears that he became the crazy asylum ridden lunatic who wasn't shaving and doing all this sort of thing.
	Now that didn't happen by accident.
	That happened presumably because the media had a narrative, had a reason to try and demonise him.
	And I think there was a very, very effective smear campaign that was released onto Julian.
	The idea of this of course is to dehumanise the person.
	I don't know that there can be many other examples we can think of where that's been quite as effective as this.
	Of course, it happens all the time, we know that.
	But in this instance, it was very, very effective in taking Julian from being almost this hero of the media world to You know this sort of disparaged figure who was ultimately sent to jail so it did it felt to me like it happened very quickly but I suspect it happened over a series of you know death by a thousand cuts in a sense so difficult to know why I'm sure everyone's got theories but you know here we are today and the thing that's most alarming I think though now is the fact that as we've come to DC to talk
	It feels like the case has just been lost in the system.
	Now it's almost as though the media don't want to talk about it at all, and yet this man has a wife and two kids, and he's got a life outside here that goes on while he's languishing in a UK prison.
	Well, we talked to Senator Vance, and I don't know if you've met with Senator Vance at all, or his office, maybe we can put you guys together after this.
	Guys, if you're watching.
	What sort of reception has there been?
	Obviously, we know Congress is in a massive budget fight right now, so it's hard.
	It was tough for us to get Senator Vance on even just because of this.
	It's constantly going back and forth.
	But what has the reception been?
	Because here in the U.S., we are consumed with the lawfare of the Department of Justice.
	We have political candidates that are now being placed under indictment here in the United States, leading political candidates, depending on which poll you look at, that it almost seems like the Assange case is something that's just almost on the back burner.
	So when it comes to Congress, what's the reception been like?
	It's been really good.
	In fact, we were very, very fortunate to get several days with lots of different people from both sides of politics.
	And you could sense there were other things on their mind, but they were very generous with their time.
	I have to say, from all angles, we met with...
	We met with Marjorie Taylor Greene, we met with Democrat congressmen and everyone in between.
	We had a whole heap of meetings and everyone was very generous with their time.
	I don't know whether that's because we're allies and friendly Australians or whatever it was, but I think the reception has generally been pretty positive.
	The question is how to move the dial and we want to be bringing that awareness that this is still an issue and I think most of them actually said what we've been saying that is I hadn't thought about this for years in many respects but all were across it and all were of the view I think that something needs to be done.
	And once again, shows how this is one of those views, it's not a left and right view in politics.
	We had both sides, very interesting political dynamic.
	We had two sides from two different countries all agreeing on the same thing and all yet being frustrated by the fact that the dial's not moving and this seems to be languishing.
	So it's been a very important exercise.
	We had a full page ad in the Washington Post, or the Assange Group did, with all of the signatures from the 67 Australian parliamentarians, which we hope has raised the awareness.
	And the other thing I'll say about this is, To show you how unique this is to the Australian psyche, we've now got the Australian Prime Minister who's due here on the 26th of October for a state visit.
	So he's coming to talk to the Biden administration.
	But we've also got the opposition leader, the leader of my party, the centre-right party, which is oddly named the Liberal Party in Australia, but it's a different interpretation in Australian terms.
	I've always said, by the way, that my little bone to pick with U.S.
	politics versus everywhere else is that we get the colors wrong, right?
	We get the colors so wrong in the U.S., right?
	It's the communists are supposed to be red, right?
	Everywhere else in the world, the communists are red, and it's very clear, it's very obvious, and it's the traditionalists or the right, which is blue, and yet here in the U.S., we are the ones who are switched.
	Well, our colour is blue as well.
	So the Conservative Party is blue.
	There you go.
	It's a bit on its ear.
	But the opposition leader, too, is of the view, I think, that this needs to be brought home.
	I don't think I'm misrepresenting.
	I hope I'm not.
	But this is universal in Australian politics, almost.
	I mean, there is so much support for this.
	And we would love to see Julian home by Christmas.
	We think enough's enough.
	Now, when it comes to the Biden administration, have you gotten any any sense from them, because ultimately that's where it would come from.
	The Senate and the House are able to put pressure, that's for sure.
	Obviously with the budget fight right now, if you can get enough people on your side looking for leverage, looking for, obviously within the next week, the Senate and the House will come to, or potentially either go to a shutdown, as J.D. Vance, Senator, was just explaining, or potentially go to some kind was just explaining, or potentially go to some kind of deal where there's spending cuts, other things that come in.
	Have you heard anything from the Biden administration?
	Look, I haven't.
	We haven't met with anyone directly from there.
	We met with the Department of State and the DOJ, which were excellent meetings, very productive, I think.
	It's a unique situation.
	We're not used to quite how politics works in this country because those people... Oh, trust me, neither are we.
	Those people, it's good to know.
	We try to figure it out every day.
	Those people, ultimately the heads of those departments are appointed.
	They're appointed by the Biden administration.
	In our country, they're elected parliamentarians.
	They're ministers who are responsible for that department.
	So there is the ability for Congress people and senators to go and grab them and say, listen, what's going on?
	So the system's a bit of a challenge, you know, and we haven't had any, or certainly this delegation hasn't had any interaction directly with the Biden administration, but we hope that the Australian Prime Minister will.
	We assume he will.
	And we assume that, you know, that everyone will be asked this question.
	Even with those meetings though, with State and then with DOJ, did it seem productive?
	Did it seem like they were Willing to meet you in the middle or anything?
	They were productive and they were very important exercises, I think, because I don't think on any level, be it the media, be it politics, be it departmental level, there's any understanding of the depth of sympathy for Julian's plight in Australia.
	It's really changed over the last five years or so.
	I think Australians have this concept of a fair go and we think that this is the issue that shows that Julian needs to be given a fair go.
	A fair go.
	Isn't that the only thing that we've always asked for here in the US?
	concern.
	The legal side are we dealt with by his lawyers.
	We're here to convey the politics of it and the politics of it are swinging towards Julian's favor.
	A fair go.
	Isn't that the only thing that we've always asked for here in the U.S.?
	You know, we'd like to have a fair go of things and yet we see time and time again juries that are stacked with members of the opposition party that are then weighing in on criminal cases against people that they completely disagree with.
	and then when you look at the actual facts, you're asking yourself, How could this ever result in the verdict that it does?
	But it doesn't matter because it's become politicized.
	The idea of fairness, the idea of justice, justice is blind.
	These are concepts that we don't usually get to talk about anymore in the United States.
	So I appreciate that we have a representative here of this country here to explain it to us.
	One more segment coming up next.
	Senator Alex Antic talking all about Julian Assange.
	I'm working long hours.
	I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
	So, Senator, in addition to the Assange issues, I'd be remiss if, you know, having you here on the show, I didn't ask about some of the issues between Australia and the Biden administration, actually between the U.S.
	right now.
	The reneging of the nuclear deal when it came to the submarines early on in the Biden administration, is that still a contentious issue between the countries?
	Do you think this will come up when the prime minister visits?
	What's the what's the current status?
	Well, as far as I'm aware, those subs are still on the table, as far as I'm aware.
	Really?
	Yeah, but they're contentious domestically at home because of the fact that they're nuclear.
	Now, that's a complete no-brainer to most of us, but Australia has no ability under our legislation to allow the generation of nuclear power, so we are stuck in this no-man's land of energy.
	Our energy grid is in real trouble in our country, in the sense that we are So it's like a ban, a complete ban on nuclear power.
	There's a complete prohibition on the generation of nuclear power in Australia.
	It goes back to 1999.
	There was an amendment to one of the environmental legislation, one of the environmental acts, which put a complete prohibition on the generation of nuclear power.
	Now, with the advent of the submarine deal, that of course brings with it the very real nuclear generation in a sense.
	I mean, they really are in small nuclear, small modular nuclear reactors inside a sub, as you would well know with your naval back there.
	I've been in that.
	You would have.
	So we don't quite know what the nuts and bolts of that are.
	And look, there may still be things that are being thrashed out about those.
	But I think one of the things that I'm, and I've been a massive advocate of nuclear power generation, which probably sounds a bit counterintuitive to the Americans, where you've got lots of them floating around.
	Even Ukraine, the country that suffered the worst nuclear crisis in all history, still has nuclear power plants and nuclear generating stations.
	With Chernobyl in the 1980s, but then they still have, and it's obviously become a huge issue in the war.
	They didn't turn away from nuclear power even after going through that experience.
	Well, that's right.
	And Japan too, of course, with Fukushima.
	And, of course, the distinction needs to be made between some of the old tech.
	I mean, you know, the power plant in Chernobyl was, of course... Well, this is Soviet 1970s, 80s technology.
	We say, you know, those of us that are advocates often say it's a bit like comparing the Wright Brothers plane to an Airbus A380.
	I mean, they're just not the same.
	The Gen 4 reactors are incredible.
	Yeah, and so there's that, and the arguments against nuclear power generation in Australia are always it's too expensive, but my view is let's let the market decide that, let's get out of the way, legislatively, let's get government out of the way and allow the market to tell us whether it's cost prohibitive or not.
	At the moment we've got a Labor government in Australia that is pursuing a renewable agenda with solar and wind at the cornerstone of that, and you simply cannot Possibly expect to power a country, even a middle power like Australia, on sunbeams and wind.
	The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, so that in accordance with the transmission lines.
	We're a big country, you have to then be able to connect them in a special way.
	Nuclear power, I hope, is going to be a part of Australia's future and I expect that there are opportunities there for American companies to talk to Australia in due course when that Well, of course, when you go talk to the American companies like Westinghouse or some of these others, they will say, and they're very open about this, they say, look, our plans are China.
	It's China, China, China.
	That's where all the nuclear growth is going.
	That's where all the money is going.
	The deal is going back to the Clinton administration.
	Between the two sides, the US and China have always been for essentially American companies to build nuclear plants in China.
	And it's always because of legislation, whether it be Europe, whether it be Australia, there always seems to be ways against.
	China, of course, no such repercussions whatsoever.
	Yeah, no, that's right.
	And in fact, I mean, of course, you know, that is the market, right?
	We're a very small blip on that radar.
	But ultimately, I mean, I think there are opportunities there for Australia.
	I mean, there's all sorts of applications for small modular reactors.
	We've got, you know, companies that are mining out in the remote outback that need power sources.
	What better way to do it than to have a small modular reactor there powering the town and powering the mining operation?
	Some of those mines, by the way, were actually delivering the materials that end up going to nuclear power.
	This is the absurdity of us having a prohibition on nuclear power generation.
	We've got something like a third of the world's uranium in Australia.
	We have for a long period of time, and we export it.
	In fact, in my home state of South Australia, We had a Royal Commission into the issue of the nuclear fuel cycle, that is, the ability for us to dig it out of the ground, use it for generation and then take it and store it.
	And the money that was being talked about were billions and billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars over the next 10, 20 years at the very least.
	It was scrapped because politics didn't think it was going to pass the pub test is another expression that we use in Australia.
	It means common sense wouldn't allow it.
	But the reality is we're just tearing up $100 bills doing that.
	We're energy rich, we're mineral rich in our country, and we have to have a nuclear power future.
	I just don't see any other way.
	And certainly, you know, for people that are adherents of the net zero agenda, which I am certainly not, there is no other way to achieve it.
	This was even prior to the Uranium One deal here in the United States, which was conducted between Russia and the Obama administration, that Russia was coming into Australia and buying Australian uranium, and these mineral rights were going on.
	So you've got the uranium!
	You can't even use it!
	So you're going to sell it, which is a strategic resource of any country.
	Here in the United States, just a couple of weeks ago, we found a new, incredibly enormous lithium deposit right on the border of Utah.
	They say it's one of the largest ones they've ever found.
	Elon Musk has said, you know, there's so much lithium out there in the world where there's no such thing as a shortage.
	What there is, though, is a shortage of the political will to actually conduct these types of operations, which obviously, number one, would be very lucid.
	I think people, though, when it comes to nuclear power, they just don't understand the math behind it.
	It is so exponentially more efficient in terms of energy creation than anything else we've ever discovered.
	It's several orders of magnitude better than coal, fuel, etc.
	And certainly, you know, wind and solar.
	And I think people just don't even understand that.
	We've got about 90 seconds left here on the show.
	Where can people go to follow you, get more information on all of these issues?
	And what's your bottom line for our audience?
	Well look, we'll start with where to find me.
	I've got a Twitter handle, SenatorAntic, A-N-T-I-C, on TwitterX now as it is, and of course Facebook for my sins, but anyway, let's not talk about that.
	Also my website, www.alexantic.com.au, and people can join up and follow in the mailing list there, and some Australian-specific stuff, but we talk about all sorts of things there, and I've got a podcast as well called Based with Senator Alex Antic that we're doing Political stuff in Australian terms, which we're doing quite well.
	It's just interesting.
	In this job, I get the opportunity to talk to interesting people.
	And I can't see any reason why we wouldn't try and broadcast them so that other people can hear from interesting people too.
	Now, does BASE mean the same thing in Australia that it means here?
	Or is that like a different... You're going to have to tell me before I say yes.
	What does it mean in Australian?
	I don't know.
	It means it's cool.
	It's good.
	It's, you know, something like that.
	I'm going to say yes to that.
	In our lingo, it means principle.
	Oh, principle?
	Yeah.
	Principle.
	I guess you could say that.
	Yeah.
	Principle.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Ladies and gentlemen, what an incredible episode.
	We've got international senators.
	We've got domestic senators.
	We've got senators that are being indicted in New Jersey because they went against the Biden administration when it comes to the Iran deal.
	Stay tuned because you never know what is going to come next here on this program here in Washington, D.C.

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