Sept. 16, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 13 — Willard Romney's Revenge? Dems Legitimizing Prostitution? Oliver The Fake?
In this latest THOUGHTCRIME featuring Jack Posobiec, Charlie Kirk, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff, the crew explores all-important questions like:-What's the final word on Willard "Mitt" Romney has he goes into retirement?-Are Democrats going to let politicians be literal prostitutes, as well as figurative ones?-Is Oliver Anthony's shtick just one big act?THOUGHTCRIME streams LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ET.Support the Show.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again for this week's edition of ThoughtCrime.
Tonight's topics for myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang.
The end of Romney, an elegy for Pierre Delecto.
The indictment of Hunter Biden.
Why is it coming right now?
What does it really mean?
This Virginia Democrat hooker candidate, the hot wifing experience, And finally, Oliver Anthony cancels a show but didn't disclose how much he was getting paid.
We're going to get into this and more.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to tonight's edition, this week's edition of Thought Crime.
Are you ready to commit ThoughtCrime?
Because we've got a lot.
Let's go around the horn.
I'm not even sure because we've got a lot of craziness going on right now.
Who do we have?
We have Blake.
Blake, I'm in D.C.
Blake, you're in Phoenix, right?
What's up, Blake?
All right, guys, if you want to just open up Blake's mic in my ear so I can hear him at some point, that'd be really, really cool.
Super appreciate that.
Blake, you there?
Can you hear me, Jack?
I'm here.
Can you hear me, Jack?
There we go.
Now I got Blake.
Now I got Blake.
And I think I heard Andrew as well.
You probably did.
That's right.
Andrew's in Santa Barbara because he just has his West Coast bias.
He's doing West Coast bias.
What's up, Colvette?
I'm doing well.
Thanks, Jack.
How about yourself?
How's the swamp?
Oh, the swamp is just delightful.
We have a massive, though our gas prices up here are spiking just as much as yours are now.
We're not nearly as high, but the spike that we've seen just over the last week has been insane.
Our gas prices are up almost a full dollar here since last week, almost a full, and I was in California about a week ago, and I think, are you guys hitting about six, almost $6 a gallon right now?
Yeah, we are.
Yeah, it's about $5.60 a gallon.
How do you do?
I mean, honestly, Santa Barbara's a small town, so we don't drive a whole bunch.
So we don't feel it as much as probably like, you know, our Los Angeles friends.
But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, California is and actually this this includes Arizona, Nevada.
I believe Washington and Oregon are considered the same sort of gas island.
So they are.
It has to do with where the oil comes from.
It has to do with where they're getting refined.
California has all these special additives and regulations that the refineries, these benchmarks that refineries need to hit.
So it can only come from certain refineries.
So it limits the supply even more.
It's a whole problem.
But all right.
And then so I don't actually feel it.
So Charlie will be here in a little bit.
He's at the Pastor Summit right now.
He's dealing with some stuff.
He's taking care of business on assignment, of course, for Turning Point USA, the faith coalition.
But we're here.
We're going to hold down the fort until Charlie returns.
So shoot us your emails, FreedomAtCharlieKirk.com.
Let's get into the first topic here.
This one, I think we've all talked about it, but we haven't all mentioned it together.
This one, the revenge or should we say the elegy for Willard Romney.
Willard Mitt Romney has announced he's quitting the Senate, total rage quit, right before the 2024 election.
So he's going to serve out the remainder of his term.
And of course, as befits his character, he's riding off into the sunset by having the globalists at The Atlantic publish a completely obnoxious, passive-aggressive interview, trashing his colleagues, trashing Trump.
Trashing the GOP base.
So what is the final word on the GOP's 2012 standard-bearer?
The man who was the nominee for president in 2012.
And Blake, I think you actually have an excerpt from this article that's by McKay Coppins in The Atlantic?
Oh, yeah, exactly, Jack.
It's amazing.
So of course he's Everything about Romney is, you know, the supposed, like, you know, politeness and decorum and all the damage that Trump does to our democracy by being all, like, rude.
He's the last Boy Scout.
Yeah, yeah, the last Boy Scout.
So, naturally, what he does is he announces he's retiring, and then, you know, in perfect timing with it, McKay Coppins has this biography that he's putting out that's, you know, all about Romney and has all these, like, data points in it.
And he's basically just, like, Romney doing, like, a drive-by shooting on other members of the Republican Party as he leaves.
Let's see, one of the lines from it, this is a summary as Axios summarizes it helpfully for us.
Romney shares a unique disgust for Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, who he thought were too smart to believe Trump won the 2020 election, but, quote, put politics above the interests of liberal democracy and the Constitution.
And then the even wilder one is for Senator J.D.
Vance of Ohio, he says, quote, I don't know that I can disrespect someone more than J.D.
That is a direct quote from Senator Romney describing Senator Vance, who he still has to, you know, share a Senate chamber with for the next year before he actually quits.
But, you know, J.D. Vance, I mean, can someone explain what what what is J.D. Vance done in his time in the Senate that's been so ill reputable?
Does anyone have what when he went to East Palestine and it seems it seems his crime that went on there.
I'm trying to figure this out.
It seems his crime is that, you know, J.D. Vance came out of Ohio.
He went to Yale, I believe it was, and then he was in finance and was, you know.
And then wrote his memoir, which was very well-received, and he's this up-and-comer on the coast.
And then, I guess he moved back to Ohio, started doing too many appearances on Tucker Carlson Tonight, and, like, according to Romney, it was like the transformation was just too jarring.
Like, it was too much of a transformation for Mr. Romney, who himself has basically transmuted into this, like, Democrat, I guess?
But that doesn't count, I suppose.
Well, this is an interesting take on all of it, and Andrew, maybe you can give us a sense of it, because what I think That Romney's really upset about here is that he's considering J.D.
Vance a class traitor.
He's calling him a class traitor and saying, look, you're allowed to make money in finance.
You're allowed to make go to Yale.
You're allowed to go to the great schools.
But the one thing and you're certainly allowed to run for the Senate.
But the one thing you're not allowed to do is actually go out to the people of your state, listen to their interests and listen to their issues and then grow and go and try to actually represent them in the United States Senate.
This is this is I think class trader.
I think that's really smart framing, Jack, because at some level, a lot of this is much more about vibe.
It's much more about what Mitt Romney thinks is classy versus gross or respectable versus, you know, essentially untoward and beyond the pale.
Right.
So it's all based on his own little framework of of class structure, of decorum, those sorts of things.
So it says here in this, he says he was also highly critical of Senator J.D.
Vance, Republican of Ohio, who reinvented his persona to become a Trump acolyte after publishing a best-selling memoir, Hillbilly Illogy, about the working class that Romney loved.
So Romney loved the book.
So, at some level, I think it was just like, I love this book, and how can this guy then become like a Trump bootlicker?
Go ahead.
Right, so I can explain it.
And just real quickly, it's kind of like, because in the book, J.D.
Vance's conclusions, I would say, and I don't offer this as criticism, I just say it's sort of, it's an evolution on J.D.
Vance's part, because he sort of just says in the book, well, that sort of, that blasé, classic, Republican line of, you know, and everybody just needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
I can do it.
So can you and we should cut, you know, taxes for big businesses and the 1% pays most of the income tax and that that's kind of it.
And then when he went to actually run for office and started really engaging with people politically, that's when he shifted, not socially, right?
But he shifted economically to become more of a populist.
Blake, what are you saying?
Well, what's so telling in this article is, like, some of the little specific anecdotes that it does pick, and I almost wonder if Coppins is, like, subtly trolling Romney somehow.
Did you see the part where, like, apparently Romney lives by himself and his family?
Yeah, in DC it mentions, let me get the line here.
That's actually a good line.
It talks about his pad that he lives in and it says, uh, the place had not been Romney's first choice for a Washington residence.
When he was elected in 2018, he'd had his eye on a newly remodeled condo at the Watergate with glittering views of the Potomac.
His wife Anne fell in love with the place, but his soon-to-be staffers and colleagues warned him about the commute.
Which, by the way, it's like a mile and a half to the Capitol.
So he grudgingly chose practicality over luxury and settled for the 2.4 million dollar townhouse instead.
And then of course this is not good enough for for Anne so she never visits him when he's in D.C.
So it turns into a gross bachelor pad that has, it mentions there's crumbs everywhere and seltzer because we know you know Mitt Romney would never He's very good.
He's a goody-two-shoes Mormon.
He's not gonna crack open a Diet Coke.
That's not allowed.
And so it's only going to be the seltzer water.
He goes after Vance, and one of the things that he criticizes Vance for is that J.D.
Vance called Indigenous People's Day a fake holiday.
It is a fake holiday.
It is literally created as an alternative to Columbus Day because, well, Columbus Day is also kind of a fake holiday.
Sorry, Italians.
Like to kvetch about that.
Excuse me, the man who discovered the United States of America, that's not fake.
That's amazing.
That's glorious.
Whatever.
The country was almost named after him, and our capital is partly named after him.
You guys can debate that.
Columbus Day is a great holiday.
May it rain forever.
But here's what I will say, is that his basic beef with J.D.
Vance, and by the way, we had J.D.
Vance on the show on Thursday.
And, you know, we didn't talk about it.
I wanted to keep it classy, whatever.
You know, J.D.
has like a whole like U.S.
steel thing.
The EPA is coming after U.S.
steel, going to tank the U.S.
steel industry.
I mean, the guy's focused on real stuff that affects real people.
And if you get down to what his book was about, his book was about, listen, all of these powers that be, these greater powers that are, you know, causing this massive drug addiction and O.D.s, whether that's the border or just The plight of the Rust Belt and how there's no jobs and young men are looking for purpose of meeting and things to do, but they don't, so they fall into drugs, whatever.
A lot of that stuff was railing against all of the issues that populism is sort of birthed out of, right?
So, J.D.
was once a critic of Trump, yes, but like many on the conservative side that were formerly never Trumpers.
I mean, Katie Pavlich comes to mind, right?
She was one of the signees of that.
Jack, you know this well, you sent me the cover of this 2015-2016 Never Trump from National Review.
You know, Katie Pavlich was one of these people, but now Katie Pavlich became a defender of President Trump.
This is not, because when he actually got into office and we saw the policies, we saw the blue collar boom, that the top, or the lowest 10% were, their wages were going faster than the top 10%.
Compare that to Joe Biden's economy and not even a chance, right?
He's basically mad that he thinks Vance sold out to get elected.
All right.
There might have been some calculation with Vance to get elected.
But let us not forget this.
Show image 99.
Show 99.
This image.
Oh, yeah.
Let's talk about sellouts.
Let's talk about sellouts.
There's even a better part for the podcast audience.
Tell us what we're looking at.
Yeah, go ahead, Blake.
What are we looking at?
I think that, uh, that was 2016 in a nutshell.
Enough said.
This is when Romney- December 2016.
So this is when Romney- Yeah, December 2016, after he's already won.
Yeah, he just, you know, he kind of sucks up to him, doesn't get it.
And then, of course, you know, runs for Senate later on, like, I'm going to execute Trump's agenda, but then I'm also going to vote to impeach him over a Ukraine phone call.
But but I really want to fixate on that phoniness thing, because there's another great part of this Atlantic profile where it talks about, you know, Romney considered, you know, this protest run for the presidency in 2024.
And then the reason he doesn't do it is because it might, you know, if he runs, it might prevent a Democrat from winning.
By the way, Romney's a Republican, allegedly.
And it says here, Romney relished the idea of running a presidential campaign in which he simply said whatever he thought without regard for the political consequences.
I must admit, I'd love being on the stage with Donald Trump and just saying, that's stupid.
Why are you saying that?
He nursed a fantasy in which he devoted an entire debate to asking Trump to explain why, in the early weeks of the pandemic, he'd suggested that Americans inject bleach as a treatment for COVID-19.
Which Trump didn't actually do, but we'll set that aside for a moment.
Let's get to the thing!
Romney, if you ran for president saying whatever you actually thought and saying, that's stupid, why did you say that?
If you'd run like that in 2012, you probably would have become president.
Because that is literally what Donald Trump did in 2016.
And it allowed him to become president.
He was...
As, you know, there was nothing fake about Trump.
Trump was like pure id as a candidate.
And that is so much of what made him so magnetically appealing.
And it's so hilarious to read Mitt Romney complaining that he's like, why did, why is J.D.
Vance such a fraud?
Why is Josh Hawley such a fraud?
By the way, I wish I could run for president without being a huge fraud like I was in 2012.
Well, because, because think about it, right?
He spent his entire life trying to achieve his father's goal.
So, George Romney, who, of course, tried to run for president, failed.
Former governor of Michigan, tied into the auto industry very, very acutely.
So, the idea was that Mitt Romney, and what he's really lamenting here, think about it, this guy has waited, very much like Hillary Clinton, by the way, because all the way back to her sophomore year of college, she knew she was going to be president when she's back at Westallian.
And Romney was doing the exact same thing.
He's been structuring and tailoring and being very careful about every movie made and every step and every comment and every quote, even his little 47% that'll never vote for me, kind of quote, all of these things, all the way up trying to project the perfect image.
And then along comes a guy like Trump, who throws all those quote-unquote rules of the road out the window.
And the people embrace him for it because they love the authenticity, even if they don't always agree with the things that he's saying.
I think there's a sheer level of resentment there that a guy can just come along and break all the rules and then achieve more success.
Because at the end of the day, Mitt Romney at this point, okay, so he's a one-term governor of Massachusetts, a one-term senator of Utah, which last time I checked is a different state than Massachusetts.
And a failed presidential candidate.
Mitt, you're never going to be on the big list, Willard.
You're never going to be even on the VP list.
You are going to be, you're not even going to be a footnote.
You're going to be a dingleberry to a footnote on history.
You know, Jack, I love that point because in this same article, it talks about how he got all these private messages from senators like Mitch McConnell, like, I wish I could say exactly what you're saying.
That's, it shows that Mitt Romney is feeding this biographer lines to pump himself up.
He's like, I got all these text messages from these people saying they wish they could be as unfettered in their criticism of Trump as I am.
So run!
Run, Mitt!
Run!
Let's do it!
But the point you're making is that he resents Trump because Trump is unfettered in everything.
And now Mitt's trying to slide in there and be like, I'm the real truth teller here.
It's totally jealousy.
It's total revenge.
It's probably for being snubbed, for not winning, for Trump winning and him not winning.
He finds him a gross ogre that gets all the things that he really deserved.
And it's just beautiful.
But here's the real takeaway from this, is that he's now saying, I'm not running.
It's time for the old guard to get out of the way.
We need some new fresh blood.
But if you look one level deeper, you then see reporting that says he entertained a third party run as president, something he fantasizes about still.
But Blake and Jack, why did he not run?
Because he realized it would help get Donald Trump elected.
That's the big bingo.
That's it.
The whole kit and caboodle is right there.
He would rather not run so that a Democrat can continue being in the White House than to allow A conservative populist candidate like Donald Trump to oust the Democrats from power.
Which, and by the way, we should probably tie this into, and I've been talking about this for the last two days now, but of course the Washington Post finally catching up, Joe Manchin weighing a run for president as an independent.
So right there, this is exactly what the no labels, Candidacy that I know Charlie's been really banging the drum about was all about finding candidates like a Manchin or Romney to get in and then get on the ballot to hopefully or possibly prevent Trump from reaching that 270.
We had Richard Barris on the program and he raised a pretty insightful point.
He said, if you do something like this, you run the risk of not hurting Trump, but actually hurting Biden in key states.
Yeah, and they may not be normally toss-up states, but look at a state like Minnesota that has very similar demographics to a Michigan or a Wisconsin.
If you split the Biden vote, if you split even any sizable portion of the Biden vote, then you got another Cornel West who might be on the ballot as well.
Trump could actually, or potentially, expand his map and turn those states that we think of as nominally blue into battleground states under this scenario.
And it's a great point, uh, since Tyler's not here, he's made this point to us, uh, separately, Tyler Boyer.
He's, uh, he's brought up, like, the biggest obstacle to this working is actually their own vanity and that they can't really collaborate with each other.
Cause he's pointed out the way you could actually make it so a state, um, it's like, let's say they wanted to run Romney for president.
The way you could make Romney actually damage Trump is you'd have to have Biden not running Utah.
You just be like, you're not going to win Utah.
Don't even bother.
And then you only have Romney and Trump and you get every single Democrat to vote for Romney.
And then maybe you get a few crossover Republicans and maybe you upset in the state or on the flip side, maybe in, you know, you could do this in Minnesota or any number of states.
But then you'd have to be like, we are entirely running our campaign to stop Trump, which means we're deliberately running to try to throw it to the house or something.
uh...
And they just can't collaborate to that degree to pull it off.
And instead, you just get these weird, fanciful, like, oh, we're gonna start a new political party.
So, I get it.
So you're saying, like, take a state, like, that you know you're gonna lose, right?
That you know Biden's gonna lose.
Like, OK, so Utah, where else, like Kansas, Nebraska could be one of those, maybe Missouri.
You take all those states and then you throw up this.
This, by the way, is sort of a rehash of the Evan McMuffin, a.k.a.
Evan McMuffin strategy from 2016, where they ran him to think thinking that he could block that he could block Trump in Utah.
He ended up doing fairly well in Utah.
But of course, it was a complete failure nationwide.
This is the CIA total hack.
Who was running.
So what you're saying is, or what Tyler's strategy, I remember him saying this the other day, was that you would then have the Democrats not run a candidate in that state with the hope being that it would essentially neutralize those votes.
Of course, the trouble being then you'd have to make sure that you could own up your votes in the other areas.
But hey, if you're not campaigning in these states, then maybe that's money and resources that you can spend in the battlegrounds.
Yeah, and it's also unpredictable at that point.
The funny thing is we have had a presidential election that worked like that.
It was one of the ones in the 1800s, I can't remember which one, but the Whig Party ran four different candidates in different regions of the country to try to just throw the election to the House, and I think...
I can't remember if they were going against James K. Polk.
It was one of those, you know, one of those guys before the Civil War.
And it was just a total disaster in the end, because it turns out, like, if you're running on such a cynical ploy of, we're just trying to throw it to the House, and we're not, like, really playing to win the election outright, that's such a message of weakness.
It's, you know, we don't believe in ourselves.
We don't believe in our ability to build a winning coalition.
We just really believe in stopping the other guy.
And I could just easily see that blowing up in their face if that's what they attempt.
No, I leave it right there.
I think Mitt sees the writing on the wall.
I think he's blackpilled.
I think he's out of it.
But don't count him out, folks, because Serpentinus Willardus, as I call him, is a snake.
And snakes always turn up underfoot when you least expect them.
We know that Charlie is on his way soon, but I did want to move over to the second topic, if we can, because Hunter Biden.
Finally indicted for something, at least in this case.
We've got Hunter Biden.
We're going to go out of order just a little bit, guys.
It's all right.
We'll be OK.
Hunter Biden being indicted.
Take two.
This time around, he's not indicted.
Oh, this isn't the tax stuff.
This is nothing on the laptop.
This is well, sort of.
It indirectly involves the laptop, and I'll explain why.
This is lying to the ATF, lying to federal agents.
Three counts of fraud.
This is the ATF form.
When Hunter Biden purchased that firearm, and when everyone purchases a firearm, you have to make a declaration to the ATF, federal authorities, that you were not on hard drugs.
Well, we've got a copy of the laptop.
I've got a copy of the laptop sitting right here next to my desk.
And guess what?
I got a lot of proof that Hunter Biden was definitely on hard drugs the entire time that he had that gun.
and this is even prior to him losing it in a fight with his mistress, his deceased brother's ex-wife that he was hooking up with, that she took it away from him, probably smart by the way, one of the smartest things that she did, took the gun away from him and tossed it in the trash can outside of a supermarket.
So he was obviously lying to the ATF and he has now been charged with this.
Now, the real question isn't why he was charged, but I think the interesting question is why is he being charged now?
And I really do think that him being charged, keep in mind, we've known about this for years at this point.
I think he's being charged now because that plea deal fell through and because just in general, you're starting to see some movement within, within the party, within the Administration even to sort of put pressure on Joe Biden and the Biden family themselves.
I think they're under a lot of pressure right now.
You're already seeing The New York Times, The Washington Post drop concurrent op eds this week, calling for the ouster, essentially, of Joe Biden from office and you shouldn't run again.
Now, all of a sudden, his son is being indicted.
The Republicans are over here talking impeachment.
Kevin McCarthy out there talking impeachment, talking criminal behavior.
And so there's a lot of pressure.
That's going on to the Bidens right now, and all of it really being the linchpin of Hunter Biden.
All right.
Go for it, Andrew.
Yeah.
So here's the real thing that our audience needs to be aware of, is that Weiss is a proven crook, in my opinion.
U.S.
Attorney of Delaware, now the special counsel.
If you read NBC, Politico, whatever, they always say Trump appointed.
Trump loves to remind this.
I didn't appoint him.
I guess technically he did, but it was by way of recommendation called a blue slip, two Democrat senators.
Yeah.
That basically make the recommendation.
Okay.
Right.
So Weiss has been in the Biden pocket for a long, long time.
Part of that Delaware machine, Biden's been in power for 40 plus years.
So here's what people need to understand.
That if, um, If he, because he is under investigation, that this sort of rescues Hunter from testifying before Congress, right?
There's a couple different ways this could play out.
Because he can just say that, hey, I'm under investigation.
I can't now testify before Congress.
That's not the way this works.
So a couple of different ways.
Let me get back to the starting point here.
President Biden can't, pardon, Hunter, right?
Politically, it would be disastrous.
But also, if that happens, then Hunter could not plead the fifth.
So right now he can say, I can plead the fifth if he gets brought before Congress.
I'm pleading the fifth.
I'm pleading the fifth and refuse to testify before Congress.
So his Fifth Amendment protections would also disappear if Weiss gives Hunter a plea agreement with a prosecution waiver or some other immunity.
So as soon as you put Hunter in a immune from anything boxed.
He no longer complete the fifth.
You could subpoena him right away and before Congress and boom, he has to talk or else he's going to be putting himself at risk.
But as long as he is under investigation, as long, I mean, this guy's never going to see jail time, never going to go to prison.
As soon as he has immunity of any sort, a plea deal of any sort, he's under the gun.
He has to testify.
But as long as they keep dragging this out, Until 2025, if Joe Biden's reelected, if, that's the game they're playing, then Joe Biden will pardon him or some other, he'll get community service, something else like this.
So the audience needs to understand this is all about protecting Hunter to insulate Joe Biden.
Blake, what'd you take?
I think it's probably, I think it's easy to overanalyze these things.
You know, like we were asking like, why did they do it now?
Okay, well, it's because they had, you know, a plea deal that got blown up because it was a huge attempt to just, you know, it was garbage, the whole thing under the rug.
It was a corrupt plea deal.
It was a corrupt plea deal.
Of course, of course it was a corrupt plea deal.
Now this is less corrupt.
And I think there is a lot of cynicism on the right.
Certainly we've heard Charlie opine on that, that this doesn't matter.
Well, I mean, it is, like, these are felony charges.
They do carry a maximum time in prison.
I think of, like, 15 years or something like that, if you stack them all.
He won't get that, of course, but, you know, these are real charges that they were avoiding bringing against him before, and these charges don't preclude charging him for anything else, and I think You know, we have reason to be happy with that.
We have taken something they tried to first completely scuttle in the 2020 election, and they, you know, they managed to probably get Joe Biden elected president, but they didn't manage to completely destroy the story.
They had to admit the laptop was real.
Then we forced them to bring charges against Hunter when they previously were trying to not do that.
Then they have to throw out their plea deal, and they have to do this, like, We're showing signs of progress here.
At a minimum, we're forcing them to talk about everything that's in it.
They have to come up with excuses for why it doesn't matter.
They have to deal with all of these whistleblowers who didn't exist six months ago.
It is a situation that is gradually getting worse for them.
And, you know, I don't think we want to just howl that the entire thing is, you know, Democrats doing four-dimensional chess.
Now, whether they're going to try to exploit this to shove Biden aside, if they might be trying to exploit this to shove Biden aside, or some people will, I think it's important to remember Democrats have factions within their party just as much as conservatives do.
And that's exactly my point.
That's exactly my point.
You're seeing factional infighting now.
That's why there's leaks coming out on Obama.
That's why Gavin Newsom, of course, is chomping at the bit.
Hillary Clinton suddenly reappearing.
You know, Gavin Newsom makes that statement saying, well, I think that Kamala Harris is the natural successor to Joe Biden when he asked if he's going to run.
Right.
But think about what he's actually doing.
This guy, Gavin Newsom, is a very shrewd operator.
What he's doing is he's tying Kamala Harris to Joe Biden.
And he's essentially saying that if we are going to you're seeing a preview of what actually sounds like a primary candidate attack.
Think of all the stuff that we're seeing on the Republican side right now, these sort of like thinly veiled attacks.
So he's basically saying the failures of Joe Biden are tied directly to Kamala Harris.
And if she tries to run, that he will tie her to them.
So even though it sounds like he's building her up, I think what he's subtly doing is actually burying her. - It's possible. - All right, so actually, so, I mean, Blake, if you have a point, I wanted to make a- - I think we have Charlie here now, so.
Oh, do we?
Is he joining us?
Alright, let me play this clip.
Oh, I've been listening.
I've just been wondering when I was going to call back.
He speaks!
No, no, go ahead, Andrew.
Alright, let's go ahead, Charlie.
Welcome, Charlie.
I'm going to play Cut 67.
So I asked our team, our video team, to pull the closest thing that came to a denial that he was going to run from this Chuck Todd, Gavin Newsom interview.
And I'm going to play it for the audience to see what you guys think.
Is this a denial?
I certainly don't think it is.
I think this is slick, slippery Gavin Newsom not answering the question.
Play cut 67.
And am I supposed to interpret that comment about the vice president, that if for some reason the president chose not to run at this point, everybody rallies around her?
It's the Biden-Harris administration.
Maybe I'm a little old-fashioned.
Maybe I'm a little old-fashioned about presidents and vice presidents.
I was a lieutenant governor, so I'm a little subjective.
All right.
So that's him basically saying, hey, no, Kamala will be up next because he cannot be seen to be usurping a woman of color in the You know, the power echelon in the Democrat Party.
So it's very fascinating.
He didn't deny it, which I think is interesting.
But here, I'm going to make one final point, and then Charlie, I want you to take it away.
Here's the final point.
Mike Davis, Article 3 Project, is making this point on Twitter.
He's saying, why don't you just grant immunity right now to Hunter Biden?
Just give it to him, because getting Joe Biden is much more consequential than some crackhead son.
It's an interesting take.
I don't think a lot of our audience would be happy about that.
They want to see Hunter behind bars.
But if you do that, then you trot his butt right before Congress.
You make him testify.
He can't plead the fifth.
An interesting, interesting strategy.
All right, Charlie.
No, it's definitely interesting.
Sorry, I was having just a tech thing here.
So, great to be here, guys.
It's good to know that you guys can carry the show.
Without me, I had full faith and you guys have been doing a great job.
Yeah, there's a lot of takeaways here.
Is Gavin going to be...
You know, are they going to replace Joe Biden with Gavin?
I think it's important, and I said this earlier in our program, that it's worth repeating things are not going very well.
All is not well in the Democrat circles right now.
And whether it be the one that I want to really emphasize, though, that we've been playing kind of just for fun over the weekend is the smart guys really felt like this Republican primary was going to be competitive.
The experts thought that this would be a close Republican primary.
And I'd love to spend some time on that one, because I think that that No, this is an important one.
I know, Jack, you agree.
It's because I think if they thought that the Republicans were going to beat themselves up and fight amongst themselves, then there was going to be an opening for all the lawfare to work.
So, Jack, let's start with that one.
The fact that Donald Trump is so convincingly up in the primary has been one of the false predictions of the regime in this political year of 2023.
Jack, why don't you riff on that for a second?
Right, Charlie.
And that's why I think it's so funny because I remember having these conversations behind the scenes with strategists, with pollsters, with consultants, people telling me, oh, these indictments are going to come.
Trump is going to drop like a rock in the polls.
He's going to knock himself out of the race.
The independents won't go for this.
They won't stand for it.
And I remember kind of scratching my head saying, yeah, I see how you guys could think that, but I just don't think That's going to be the case.
I think people are going to say these indictments are political, these indictments are fake, they're trumped up charges, right?
Pun intended, obviously.
And they're going to have a backlash whereby you will actually see independent centrists and moderates, maybe even people that weren't for Trump in 2020, Actually start to take another look at him because they will see every institution completely turned against him.
That's actually been the difference here.
Also, you just have this complete crater of a campaign by Ron DeSantis, which has now actually hurt his standing.
Really just politically, all political capital that he's had is gone.
It's completely gone at this point.
And we're not sure even what his political future will be going from here.
But at the same time, the real big, I think, blinking light, the system blinking red for the Democrats right now, is that if you go to real clear politics and you look up the average, the national average, Not just for the primary, Charlie, but for the general, Trump-Biden.
Donald Trump is currently leading for, as far as I know, the first time ever in his entire political history, leading in the general election against the Democrat.
It's only by about half a point, but you've never actually seen him up in the real clear politics average.
As of today, he is now beating Joe Biden in the national popular vote.
It's really remarkable.
So let's go through this list.
I think it's important.
So just to kind of remind people, the whole idea of DeSantis and this primary evaporating is not helpful to the Democrat algorithm.
The awful polling with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, the Hunter impeachment.
But then let's kind of get to the Mitt Romney no labels thing.
Anyone can chime into this, Blake.
Andrew, smart money is that Joe Manchin and or Mitt Romney or so coalition is going to run a splinter strategy here.
None of this was supposed to happen in 2023.
So Blake, kind of lead us through this.
Do you think we're going to see some competitive?
By competitive I mean marginal defining third party candidates running for office.
Blake.
I mean, it always feels like such narcissism when they talk about these things.
It feels like every four years, they're like, this is the year we're gonna have this, like, real third party that takes off.
And really, the third party that took off was Donald Trump, and he just took over a major party because he was so successful at it.
He's like, I'm going to take the Ross Perot energy of the 90s, uh, mix in a little of the, you know, the Pat Buchanan energy, and a little, some little normal Republican stuff, and just take over a major party.
He is the winning third party.
But, Will we see a third party run?
I think we could, because there is this real sense that, as you say, the machine is breaking down.
That...
They had this intent that, you know, we could use 2023 to set things up so that 2024 is just this walkover, you know, the election on autopilot.
They thought, you know, Donald Trump, he does, you know, he focuses a lot on his own affairs, so if we indict him, he'll, like, totally implode, obsess over his criminal cases, forget all about the national election, he'll get totally derailed in this primary, and they just thought they could set everything up so it would all line up and there's no competitive race whatsoever, and instead, That plan is cracking apart, and what's very funny is, you know, what none of them were banking on.
Clearly, none of them were actually making any plan on, we'll win because Joe Biden will have a successful presidency that people want another four years of.
Nobody was banking on that.
They were just banking on we can make it so that Trump falls apart.
They aren't able to mount an effective campaign.
We, you know, we have ballot harvesting.
We have mail-in voting.
We have the machine set up to be so slick and efficient that it's just impossible to have a competitive race, no matter how disastrous things are by 2024.
And instead, they're getting caught off guard by shocker.
It turns out that when the walls were closing in on Trump, he was not actually beaten forever.
Only the 50th time that's happened.
And then on top of that, the Biden administration is even more of a mess than they were originally anticipating.
You know, inflation might be coming back again.
We see gas prices getting more expensive.
The Ukraine war seems to be going really badly again.
And, you know, so that could be Afghanistan 2.0 by next year, where this thing just turns into a total disaster.
And there's so many things going awry, and then on top of that...
Joe Biden has sort of burned a lot of his credibility with the left, which they thought would be fine, and instead they have Cornel West, a person that if you're on the left, you've actually heard of.
He's running for president.
He's not, you know, he's not won over by all these things that, well, if you run, you're going to let Trump get elected.
He's biting that bullet and saying, I don't care.
And if enough Democrats are willing to say that, they're in a lot of trouble next year.
So, so two things on this.
I think it's really interesting.
Debbie Dingell, Flip 35, see if you can get that ready.
She's saying that Trump could win Michigan.
So one of the interesting things, and Charlie, you made a great point earlier this week where you kind of tied it into that, what's the document?
I'm just playing it.
Moore, what's his name?
Who's the documentarian?
Michael Moore.
Michael Moore.
I was like Russell Moore, David Moore.
Okay.
Michael Moore.
So Trump has this Unparalleled ability, at least within the Republican Party, of winning those Rust Belt states, those upper Midwest states.
Yeah, it didn't work out in 2020, but it was close.
Razor thin.
And we're talking 50,000 votes across three states.
All right?
So here's what's interesting.
You put Cornel West in as a third party in these states.
He's peeling two to three points off of the Democrat ticket, and he doesn't care.
But what's interesting here, and we've talked about this before, is, and I think it's a really interesting thought-crime intrigue, is this a revenge tour on behalf of Bernie Sanders?
Is this a revenge tour on behalf of Bernie Sanders?
Bernie Sanders and Cornel West are very good friends.
Cornel West helped him write some of the Democrat platform heading into 2020.
That was like his consolation prize for Bernie Sanders getting screwed twice by the DNC.
So I think Cornel West is in it.
Regardless, he's already qualified for the ballot in Arizona and Florida.
He's working on getting those, qualifying for the ballot in other states.
I think the next one coming up is Nevada, October 15th.
He's got to get on before then.
I think he's going to do this.
I think he's going to play spoiler, at least in a number of these states.
I don't know if he'll get to the Jill Stein level in 2016, but it's very, very interesting.
And the Democrats simply did not predict in their algorithm that Trump was gonna be this resilient with four indictments later.
They did not factor that in.
And I think we're gonna see states like Michigan, you're seeing the alarm bells go off, play cut 35. - We're heading into another presidential race.
If the election were held today in Michigan, do you think Donald Trump as a Republican nominee could beat President Biden as a Democratic nominee?
I'm going to look at you all right now.
Everybody says Michigan's a blue state.
Michigan.
Is not.
It is purple.
It is a very competitive state, and Donald Trump would do well in Michigan right now.
The election's a year away.
We're at a very volatile time.
But I'm not taking Michigan for granted, and I'm going to say I've said that very strongly to many people.
Do you feel like the Biden team is taking Michigan for granted right now?
Should they be doing more already to try to shore things up?
Um, let's just say I think we've gotten their attention.
Powerful clip, I think.
And we actually do have this Russell Moore one.
Charlie, I don't know if you Charlie, do you want to like preface it a little bit?
Michael Moore.
What is Russell?
Russell Michael Moore.
I don't know.
I don't know where.
Look, apparently, yes, so Michael Moore has gone into irrelevancy in recent years, but in the Obama years he was the ultimate, let's just say, before the internet was a thing, troll of right-wing politics.
Charlie, were you in, like, grade school?
Yeah, no, I mean, he did... Bowling for Columbine was his big one.
That was the one right after the Columbine Massacre, where he was... And Fahrenheit 9-11 is the... Fahrenheit 9-11, which was totally ripped off of a book, by the way.
He did none of the research in that.
Yeah, he was like the Democrats' Hillbilly elegy.
The fact that Andrew doesn't even know his name is not an insult to Andrew at all, because he's not in the Zeitgeist.
Michael Moore's irrelevant, which is interesting.
And by the way, Michael Moore is one of a great example in politics of like, when you get famous with Fat Man Energy, and all of a sudden you become super skinny, like Al Sharpton or Mike Pompeo, it's like really weird.
Okay, same thing with Michael Moore.
Or governors.
As soon as Michael Moore started... And certain governors.
Yes, exactly.
Michael Moore started to lose weight.
It was really strange.
Okay, so, and Michael Moore is actually way older than people think.
Oh, like, just put that in the chat.
It's true.
Anyway, so, but Michael Moore, he is very in touch with the industrial Rust Belt.
He was kind of the ombudsman to the Rust Belt for the Democrat Party for years, always talking about, you know, fair trade and all these different things.
He was very similar to kind of what I would call the Garrison Keillor Democrat.
Michael Moore and Garrison Keillor were two of the more Because I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump.
Mankato, Minnesota, and Michael Moore from Michigan.
Anyway, enough of that.
This is back from 2016.
Michael Moore warned about this.
This was a huge clip in 2016.
I remember I tweeted it at the time back in 2016.
It got a huge viral response.
Play cut 71.
Because I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump.
Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said, if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on So, It was an amazing thing to see.
No politician, Republican or Democrat, Had ever said anything like that to these executives.
And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Trump's election is going to be the biggest f*** you ever recorded in human history.
And it will feel good.
So that clip was before the election and he called it.
He called it as the FU election.
election and he called the blue wave crumbling.
Jack, bring us back in the time machine and connect it to today.
Well, so if you go back and look at where Michael Moore got his start, he's the Mr. Flint, Michigan.
This is the same Flint, Michigan, that lost their water supply under Barack Obama.
And if you watch his very first book, His very, very first, excuse me, his very first documentary, Roger and Me.
What was it about?
It was all about the closing of the GM plants.
This is out in 1989.
The closing of the GM plants in Flint, Michigan.
The losing of jobs.
The fact that they were sending all these jobs overseas.
The outsourcing.
The fact that they were destroying these American workers.
Destroying American societies.
That they were gutting the entire Midwest.
And the whole thing, the crux of it, is him trying to get an interview with the CEO of General Motors at the time, a guy by the name of Roger Smith.
So the name of the documentary is Roger and Me, and he's just constantly, he's the guy who created the whole, and you see people do this every day now, of standing around and running up to politicians or leaders or people in power with a microphone and a camera and sticking it in their face.
He was, Michael Moore was doing it Uh, before Alex Jones was doing it, long before Alex Stein was doing it now.
So many people, everybody does it in DC now, but Michael Moore actually was the first guy to do this on the big stage.
And so because of that, uh, it really created an entire industry.
And so it's, it's almost like he sort of had this, this tie in with those, those populist working class roots that of course he completely lost.
when he became a multimillionaire, and he's very, very wealthy now.
And so that's why he just goes in for all the insane rushgatory and insanity, full-on TDS.
But it does seem like there was this one moment, the addicts call it a moment of clarity, where right before the 2016 election, he basically described what was about to happen.
And then, obviously, what did happen on that day in November.
Blake, well...
Oh, go ahead.
Blake?
What?
Wait, what?
What do you need?
Oh, I got something to add.
So here, bringing it back like full circle is the fact that we're talking about third party candidates and how the margins are so tight.
And Jack, you made this point earlier that some of these marginal states that we think of marginally blue or whatever, you put Cornel West in there, you put conservative populist energy with Trump.
The third party candidacies are going to completely flip the Democrat machine algorithm.
And that is why you're seeing the Washington Post, New York Times put out warning shots.
I think if we're going to play back to the Hunter Biden round two with the gun charges, if you're going to put a positive spin on it, it's because that's another shoe to drop.
That's another warning sign that Democrat operatives are saying, you know, we're pulling the alarm bells here.
Joe Biden, you really could lose.
Your odds of losing are now greater than your odds of winning.
And how did David Ignatius put it in the Washington Post?
He said, if he's not good at saying no, in other words, Joe Biden is one of the most stubborn politicians you will ever meet.
This is time and time again, the way people describe him.
He is stubborn.
And so now that he's in there, yeah, the machine wants him out, but he's stubborn.
He's not going to come willingly.
So they're going to have to start putting out these flares, these warning shots to get him to move.
And how did David Ignatius put it?
He said, you are at risk of ruining your greatest achievement.
Which was stopping Trump.
Was stopping Trump.
And now, we're afraid, and David Ignatius, again, is the CIA spokeshole.
They want a press release written, they go to David Ignatius.
So David Ignatius doing the bidding of the intel agencies, they know the dirt they have on Biden, and they're saying, hey, you were good for a purpose.
You've outlived that purpose.
You need to step aside.
So it's very interesting.
If you're gonna look at Hunter Biden, you're gonna tie in the third party, you're gonna tie in this Democrat algorithm, I mean, that that would be the glass half full.
I'm not sure I buy it with Hunter, but I certainly think these third party candidates have them terrified.
Can I?
All right, let's get to the next segment here, but yeah, sorry, Blake, Blake, Jack, Jack, hold on one second.
Let's just let's you have a quick thought, Jack.
Yeah, just a quick thought.
This is the from the epilogue of Roger and me, and it's just it just you listen to it.
It sounds like something that Trump could say.
Michael Moore's go is finally confronts the guy from General Motors and says, Mr. Smith, we just came from Flint, where we filmed a family being evicted from their home the day before Christmas Eve.
A family that used to work in the factory.
Would you be willing to come up with us to see what the situation in Flint is like for those people?
Smith, I've been to Flint, and I'm sorry for those people, but I don't know anything about it.
Families are being evicted from their homes on Christmas Eve.
Listen, I'm sure General Motors didn't evict them.
You'd have to go talk to their landlords.
Well, they used to work for General Motors, and now they don't work there anymore.
Sorry about that.
Could you come up to Flint with us?
I cannot come to Flint.
I'm sorry.
That's the Trump movement right there.
Right there.
All right, all right.
So we got to set the stage here.
So Virginia has a House of Delegates, the former House of Burgesses.
They're a special state, so they get to hold their elections in odd-numbered years.
They're just like that for some reason.
So we're having an election in two months in Virginia.
The House of Delegates is very close.
I think it's 50 Republicans, 46 Democrats, and some open seats right now.
And Very close.
Who wins that race is going to be very important for what Glenn Youngkin is able to do in his last two years as governor.
It's going to be a big deal.
And in one of the tightest races in a district that is almost exactly 50-50, there's breaking news this week.
So there is a candidate named Susanna Gibson.
She is a nurse practitioner and the mother of two young children running in a highly competitive suburban Richmond district.
And she has a side job that was recently brought before public attention, which is that she and her husband have performed sex acts on camera for money on a pornographic website.
And now the entire world knows about it.
And the response of Democrats has been to replace her on the ballot.
I'm just kidding.
The response of Democrats has been to say that it is totally fine to do paid sex acts on camera and basically be a prostitute as long as you're a Democrat, I guess.
And so we have this headline right now in Politico.
So what if a candidate live-streamed sex acts with her husband?
They leave out for money.
And that is what we're campaigning on in Virginia right now.
And so we may be on the brink of them successfully pulling that one off and taking politicians from merely figurative prostitutes to literal prostitutes.
You know, I remember a time when there was a rumor, a very, very nasty, pernicious, disgusting rumor of a certain tape about Donald Trump In Moscow, in a hotel that was bandied about across the entire internet.
MSNBC had it for days.
Jake Tapper talked about it as if it was a serious thing.
And this certain particular tape involved a certain particular act in that Moscow hotel room.
And it turns out that it wasn't Donald Trump who was performing acts like that.
In fact, it was Democrat women.
that were performing those and they have actual tapes like that and in fact you can pay them to perform them for you.
Interesting.
Interesting thing to note.
One of the details here is that there were acts they were doing that they had to take to a private room on this website that they were using so much of this basically became public because they were doing it on a website that literally anyone can visit And, uh, you know, horned up porn addicts being who they are, uh, they have created mirror websites that automatically record all of the videos on this live porn broadcasting website, and they archive it so they can watch it later.
Uh, so, a lot of the reporting, including from the New York Times, has talked about these videos being leaked onto the internet, which, they're about as leaked as your average upload on YouTube is, if someone shares a link, uh, to it.
As leaked as the show is.
Yeah, it's as leaked as this program is.
If they cover this segment that we're doing, WHOA!
Media Matters just leaked what Charlie Kirk said on Rumble!
Oh my gosh!
I just want everyone to understand, so the Virginia House of Delegates, it's a very competitive race here.
And there's a lot of outside money for abortion groups that flood into Virginia.
So this woman was definitely at some point sat down with a bunch of consultants, Susanna Gibson, and they said, OK, they're going to run attack ads against you, Susanna Gibson.
Tell us everything.
Tell us all the skeletons that you have in your closet.
And she was probably like, well, I think I have a couple unpaid parking tickets, and, uh, I think I jaywalked a couple times, and, uh, well, tell us everything, anything that they might be able to... And imagine the calculus in her head, where either she didn't think this was a big deal, or thinking this wouldn't come out, being like, oh, wait, you mean that the thing I do every Thursday night where we film with my husband having sex for money is not going to somehow...
Like, you know, come out in an opposition research file?
Like, this was not going to be made public?
Jack?
It's like a weekly Pilates class, except, you know, naked and in public.
Yeah, so, what's- For money, and taking instructions.
And I'll say this, as a dad, you know, I can't help but feel bad for the kids.
They have a, and you look on her website, and she shows pictures of her children that are there, a daughter, And little boy, they look like great kids, looks like a happy family, and you just feel bad knowing that this is... I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
You gotta live in the world that those kids are gonna be hit with this for the rest of their lives now.
So you've now ruined your children's lives because of this.
Because of your narcissism.
They will get divorced.
Because of your self-sent interests.
I don't wish it.
Yeah, they're definitely gonna get divorced.
All of that stuff is gonna come out.
But, um, the way they found her was because Her username was actually Hot Wife Experience.
And Charlie, I wasn't sure, are you familiar with the term hot wifing?
Do you know what hot wifing is?
No.
So hot wifing, it's a play on a piece of military slang known as hot racking.
So in hot racking, that's when you're stationed at a garrison or Like, when I was in the Navy, this happens on the L.A.
class attack sub sometimes, and there's not enough birthing for everybody.
So, you're—it basically means you're sharing a bed, right?
But at different—on different shifts.
So, someone's on day shift, then the other person's sleeping, someone's on night shift, they take turns.
You're hot-racking.
So, hot-wifing is the same idea.
According to Urban Dictionary, hot-wifing is a term where a hot wife is a woman This is different, supposedly, from cuckolding, wherein the husband is not a sub.
That's submissive.
Hotwifing, supposedly, does not involve the humiliation of any of the participants.
and the wife enjoys pleasing her husband in this way.
This is different, supposedly, from cuckolding, wherein the husband is not a sub, that's submissive.
Hot wifing, supposedly, does not involve the humiliation of any of the participants.
The section here, the couple spends most weekends hot wifing with men they met on lines.
So, just so everybody knows the term hot-wifing.
Yeah, but that actually contradicts some of the reporting that I've seen.
So, I guess he's quoted, the husband is quoted as saying in the live streams, it admitted that sometimes she quote-unquote makes him allow her to have sex with other men.
So that's interesting.
The other part of this that's really galling to me is the fact that she's now claiming she's the victim of a sex crime.
And she says she's working with local law enforcement to get to the bottom of this.
Working closely with state and federal law enforcement, says her lawyer, Daniel P. Watkins.
They're calling it revenge porn.
If you're sharing your wife, you're cocked.
If another man is sleeping with your wife, you're cocked.
There's no way around that.
Sorry.
No, guys.
No, not at all.
Now, here's one last little piece.
Yeah, of course.
Here's one last little piece of irony.
of this, right?
We all remember the infamous pee tapes, the allegations that Trump was in a Russian hotel, you know, urinating on hotel beds or whatever.
This I found interesting.
She's quoted as saying in one of these videos, "Y'all can watch me pee if you tip me "and give me some tokens." So-- - You know, she hasn't tweeted in about a week, so I think if we give her some tokens, then maybe, you know, maybe we can get her up on Twitter.
You know, I actually looked up what the, the prices are for the tokens.
Cause it sounds, it sounds a lot.
It's 500 tokens, a thousand tokens.
But when you look it up, it turns out 500 tokens is only equal to something like one of the articles had it.
I don't see it right now.
It said it was like 40 bucks.
40 bucks?
That's it?
Like I, I give more to into church every weekend.
You're paying 40 bucks and you're going to give away that?
Really?
I mean, listen, sweetheart, I think you could do a little better.
And you're probably going to have to now because I don't see any other way that you're going to be able to sustain yourself.
I mean, I think this is a vindication of the Trust All Women movement.
I really do.
I think we need to hook her up with Andrew Tate.
You've got to be careful with the word hooking up there.
One of the things I really want to flag again in this Politico headline, the one that says, you know, who cares if our politicians are prostitutes?
It's, uh, politicians have always pushed society's sexual boundaries.
The next taboo is bound to fall soon.
Okay, like, how far are we gonna go?
It's just like, we just need Politico to come out, and it's just like, you know, so what if a candidate, like, commits incest?
So what if a candidate, like, is in a polycule?
So what if a candidate sold their child to, like, international pedophile rings?
Like, who hasn't?
It was, the murder was a long, those murders were a long time ago.
He served his debt to society.
Let him run.
Come on.
Didn't John Fetterman have like some double murderer on his staff at one point, uh, when he was running for Senate?
I mean, didn't Democrats take, I mean, Democrats took, uh, you know, Ted Kennedy, who, you know, killed a girl that he was cheating on his spouse with, and they called him the conscience of the Senate.
They actually have called him that at some point.
And, like, you know, one of the greatest senators to ever live.
So I guess it was rather inevitable we'd go from that to this.
And just, it's all very galling.
One of the other lines they've taken is that, you know, this is the Republican effort to silence women.
We're trying to silence women by saying that we don't like it when people are prostitutes.
Yeah, so let's make sure.
And if anyone disagrees, Blake, I know, agrees.
I think Jack does.
She's a hooker.
And some people are saying, oh, no, she's a hooker.
Sex acts for cash.
Anyone disagree?
I don't disagree.
I completely agree.
Just because you're a digital hooker doesn't mean you're not a hooker.
Yeah, it's a shocking word.
She's a prostitute.
She's a digital prostitute.
But yeah.
I mean, half of the sorority girls at ASU with OnlyFans accounts are hookers, so it's not that shocking of a word.
So, I mean, if you sell your body for cash, so.
Wasn't ASU one of the number one schools on sugardaddies.com?
If not, it seems like they traffic entirely on their reputation.
Yeah, they call it the girlfriend experience, right?
Where you pay $2,000 to have a girlfriend experience?
It's like you just go to Kappa Kappa Gamma at ASU.
Yeah.
Those girls, they make a nice income.
Tax-free.
ASU is currently number 4.
Temple University, my school, is number 3.
Number 2 is UCLA, and number 1 is NYU.
Just look it up for 2023.
For what?
OnlyFansIncome?
NYU?
No, that's for the top 10 sugar baby universities in the United States.
That's according to SugarBook.com.
If you count gay men as sugar babies, then NYU would be on the list.
But there's no way NYU comes even close to ASU.
That's a fake list.
Well, it could be that ASU is moving to, it could be that they're moving to other sites.
They may have some local sites.
They may have some, they may just have ASU Sugar Baby set up.
We don't even know.
We might need to get someone to go undercover there to actually find out what's going on.
Also, how is, how is UCLA, honestly, how is UCLA beating USC in the Los Angeles area?
That's like, yeah, no, I don't trust this website.
Hold on.
Andrew asked, now Andrew asked, what is a sugar baby?
So a, um, Maybe I don't want to know exactly.
Money for company.
No, I mean, I got it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's companionship.
It's no sugar baby.
It's even more than paying them to leave.
So it's the girlfriend experience.
It's the work.
I'm going to buy you.
I'm going to pay your tuition.
I'm going to pay for your rent.
I mean, Sugar Baby is just a mistress.
Like, that's what it is.
But is there, like, a website?
Is there a website?
Do you want to know?
There's several.
Okay, that's why you have a list.
Okay, I get it.
Gets what's coming to him.
I mean, a sugar baby is just a mistress.
That's what it is.
It's just a mistress.
Yeah, yeah.
But is there like a website?
Is there a website?
Do you want to know?
There's several.
Okay, that's why you have a list.
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
Oh, several.
But no, so a lot...
So a lot of these sorority girls at major state-run institutions who go to college, who don't actually study, they end up making OnlyFans accounts and sell their bodies for cash.
And then on the weekends, they'll dress up in very revealing, you know, type clothes, and they'll go on a girlfriend experience with some hedge fund guy in Scottsdale at a nice steakhouse and get $2,000 for companionship.
Do you guys remember when OnlyFans tried to get rid of nudity and it just like completely it completely backfired?
Didn't work at all.
Yeah.
Well, because they were reaching out to people to try to get them on to say, oh, you know, didn't they?
I think they reached out to James Lindsay at one point to try to get him to come on OnlyFans.
And he was like, well, what would I put up there?
And they were like, put up lectures.
And he goes, So would you want me to put up lectures like shirtless or something?
And they were like, oh yeah, that'd be great.
And he said, oh, okay.
So there we go.
So even the people there, when they tried to rebrand, they didn't know how to.
All right.
I get it now.
No, but there are companies that, and it's been sued many times and criminally investigated as prostitution companies, that are escort services, right?
And they will go on dates with men and they'll say, oh, you're just paying for the experience of the girl coming with you.
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Okay, I think we're going... This is actually a great segue, because we covered the Oliver Anthony thing a couple weeks ago.
Jack Posobiec, is Oliver Anthony really revealing the person that you and I accused him of being a couple weeks ago?
Who is this guy, Jack Posobiec?
Charlie, this is a really shocking situation, I think, for a lot of people who are Oliver Anthony fans.
And look, I came out initially, when I saw the video, I saw the song, I said, wow, great song, I like it, I love the steel guitar getting in there.
But then when he started giving these interviews, all of a sudden it seemed to be a different voice that was coming out than the ones that wrote the words of that song.
And now we have a situation where, and I'll explain it in as short terms as possible, a show that he was planning to do with Cotton Eye Joe was canceled.
This was going to be at the Knoxville Convention Center in Tennessee.
It was going to be next week.
He came out and canceled it and essentially said it was over high ticket prices.
And they said, why are we canceling?
We're canceling over high ticket prices.
And he made a post essentially blaming the promoters for setting ticket prices too high.
However, the promoters at the convention center then came out with their own post saying, it's a dang shame what the world's gotten to for customers of the world famous Cotton Joe.
Many times we say a show has been cancelled due to circumstances beyond our control.
Well, we are cancelling the Oliver Anthony Show under our full control.
And they are pointing out that the reason that the tickets went up is because Oliver Anthony had agreed for an hour-long show at $120,000 fee.
So they ran the math.
They said, look, and I'm sorry, folks, but if you haven't run a public event before, and we all know that Charlie Kirk has run a million of these things, you just don't appreciate everything that goes into it.
The overhead, the size of the venue, the insurance, security, all of the little pieces, the moving parts, the vendors that you need to pay when you're running into these things.
And so you're basically saying, look, If this guy wants us to drop our ticket cost without dropping the cost that he's agreed to be paid when we come out from this thing, then what he's really trying to do is make us lose money on a contract that he's already made with us.
And, of course, Oliver Anthony now has come back saying, hey, I didn't know.
This isn't my fault.
This was a miscommunication.
But Charlie, I don't know, and I know you've run a lot of events before.
I know you've dealt with situations like this.
I'm really interested to hear your read on it.
No, I'm not on Oliver Anthony's side because he produces noise, not music.
But beyond that, the part here that really bothers me, this is someone who is almost thinking like, I'm not saying is, thinking like a trained Marxist that does not understand incentives, understand Yep.
markets work quite honestly. - Yep. - So here's a guy that comes in, he's like, "Well, I demand $120,000." That's not an unreasonable ask, by the way.
That's actually a pretty fair rate.
But simultaneously, I'm gonna price control the tickets and I'm going to basically centrally plan and intervene with the person that is then going to run all the production.
And so they say, wait, what?
Hold on a second.
We have to charge a certain amount because there's facility costs, there's security, there's ticketing, there's AV, there's insurance.
Not easy, not cheap.
We're doing it literally right now.
So the equivalent would be, you know, some of the speakers that we pay, they don't get to come in and tell me what I get to charge.
Sorry.
That's not... Once I sign your contract and I pay you, like, what we're agreed to, then, you know, you're done.
And in a good way, right?
Like, we'll pay you what we're agreed to do, and then we'll go from there.
You don't get to come in and all of a sudden call shots and be like, well, I want this to be a working class thing.
Well then, waive your fee, Oliver Anthony.
Waive your $120,000 fee.
Right?
Or do the show for free.
And so I'm completely on the side of the event organizers here.
These are hard to put on.
These are energy intensive.
These are risky, by the way.
I mean, for example, I don't know if this is planned to be an outdoor event, but if it was going to be an outdoor event, you know, bad weather could cancel the event.
You know, you could have traffic problems, parking problems.
I mean, just, you guys know ActCon.
We had the Secret Service completely and totally, you know, obliterate Our events and we had to deal with that.
You stay up all night in the days that lead up to it, right?
You're constantly dealing with customer service problems and as we run these events, right, you start to learn that the appreciation of putting them on is completely, it's not, you know, it's not lost on those of us that do it.
But I look at this Oliver Anthony thing and I can't help but think that You know, this guy's thinking like the very same people we were fighting, which is like a Marxist, which is he says, give me all my money and then I'm going to price control the tickets for the rest of them.
And that's a real Marxist, by the way.
That's a real Marxist, right?
Because a real Marxist isn't someone who's going to give away anything for free.
A real Marxist is going to get rich.
There's a John Lennon line where in this Playboy, famous Playboy interview that he gave before he was murdered, And they asked him a question about, you know, well, you sing all these songs about no possessions and no borders and, you know, but you've got, you know, multiple houses.
You've got your, your, your penthouse in New York.
You've got millions and millions of dollars.
You know, why don't, why don't you share any of your money?
And, and, and John Lennon responds to the interviewer and he says, well, no, that's different.
That's my money.
I earned that.
So I earned that money because that's my money.
Your money should be spread around.
Yeah, go ahead, Charlie.
There's going to be a delay.
It's very easy to be generous with other people's money, right?
So it's easy for Oliver Anthony to say, the working class guy, and now in reality, he's actually depriving his fans from having a great experience to be able to see him because he wanted the price control and say, oh, you know, I think that this is, you know, this costs too much.
And so while he's railing against the rich men of, you know, the wealthy man north of Richmond, or whatever his whole thing is, which I think there's some fair wisdom in his piece, it's honestly a very well composed piece, it just doesn't sound very good, it's all about resentment.
And it's also, this is one of the reasons why we have to be very careful Not to allow the destruction of markets just based on any sort of seed of resentment.
That this could have been an above all winner for all people.
The event organizer could have won.
Oliver Anthony would have gotten paid.
People would have had a wonderful experience.
Instead, there's no event whatsoever.
And Oliver, I don't know, do we have this tape of him now speaking out?
And he has no idea what he's talking about, honestly.
And so, by the way, why doesn't Oliver Anthony just go do a concert for free?
Why doesn't Oliver Anthony, since it's such a cultural phenomenon, why doesn't Oliver Anthony just go to Richmond and go get a free speech permit with his guitar and just go give a free concert?
For the people, man!
Play cut 104.
I had to pull off on the side of the road and make this video.
My adrenaline's pumping, man.
I'm pissed off right now.
Don't buy Cotton Eye Joe tickets for $99 a piece.
And sure as hell don't buy VIP passes for whatever bullshit price they're on.
I have a buddy of mine who's not a booking agent.
He's a friend of mine.
He's a full-time plumber and I'm trying to hire him full-time as my booking agent.
And he agreed to the show, I guess, without asking for what the ticket prices are.
Don't pay $100 for a ticket.
That's horseshit.
If we've got to cancel the venue and play somewhere else, we will.
I didn't agree to it, and I don't want you to pay it.
So please don't.
I'm just trying to get the word out now.
I don't know when the event got posted.
Wait, hold on a second.
Then why are you charging $120,000?
Do you understand any economics at all?
Why don't you just go do it for free?
So let me get this straight.
I want my $120,000, but don't go pay money to come hear from me.
So go do it for free.
This is Bernie Sanders as a younger ginger with a long beard, is what this is.
Playing a banjo.
Banjo ginger Bernie Sanders is what this is.
Screaming about, well, you know, this is BS prices.
$100 is actually a pretty mainstream ticket price in America, is actually what this is.
And he's saying, oh no, don't pay this.
Again, Mr. Anthony, why don't you go get a free speech permit and go perform a free concert at Richmond if you're really a man of the people and you could have a little collection box and people would give you money?
Because you want to get paid.
I have no problem with people getting paid.
What I do have a big problem with is people all of a sudden complaining that people want to pay you when you are charging to get paid.
And with zero understanding how multi-dimensional systems work.
Incentives, ticketing, promotion, insurance, all of it.
Okay, you guys can take it from there.
Or just on the flip side, the flip side of it, it's like, if you don't like a $100 price tag for a concert, there's a radical act that you can do.
Now, I want to prepare everyone who's about to say this, but don't go!
Don't go to the concert if it's too expensive to you.
Watch a recording on YouTube.
Go do something else.
Go to a movie.
Even a movie ticket will be like $30 because it's Biden's America now.
But, like, just literally do anything else you want.
I mean, these tickets for, like, these rock people from the 60s that boomers like are all, like, $700 a piece now.
So $100 isn't even that expensive.
But it's all just... It's all just very stupid.
Well, listen, here's what stood out to me, and hat tip to Cernovich for calling this out.
But if you read Oliver Anthony's tweet about it, he goes, Cotton, I... It's very deceptive.
To Charlie's point, it's written totally like a Marxist.
Cotton Eye Joe claims we are charging people $120,000 per show.
They have since turned their comment off, but I want to clarify.
The most I've ever made on a show is $35,000.
We've done two shows in North Carolina that were completely free, and have another free show scheduled September 23rd in Kentucky for a cancer benefit.
Cernovich's reply was amazing.
He says, Cotton Eye Joe did not claim he's charging people $120,000 a show.
They said that's the deal they made.
Notice he did not deny that.
He deflects by mentioning other shows and free shows.
Irrelevant.
This is how they avoid the truth.
I totally, totally agree.
He doesn't deny it.
The event was canceled, so he didn't have to say I was going to get paid that much.
So now he's just, he's caught between a rock and a hard place.
And he can't even, because he thinks he has to be a man of the people.
Yeah, go ahead.
But no, I just want to say, I mean, how does he think that these events happen exactly if you demand $120,000?
This shows that Oliver Anthony's not a very smart person, okay?
How does he exactly think all the incentive structures work?
How do you rent the venue?
And by the way, you cannot and you will not do an event if you don't make money.
Okay, Jack told me to stop and lay off.
Jack said it's where Oliver Anthony has been properly handled.
What?
No, sorry, sorry.
Here's the thing.
Here's the question.
You want to talk about the workers?
What about the people who work for the venue?
What about the bartenders?
What about the security guards?
What about the production crew?
Where do you think the money comes from, Oliver Anthony?
Banjo Bernie?
Where do you think all the money comes from, okay?
It comes from the ticket holders.
It comes from the ticket buyers.
It comes from the people who, by the way, are willing to spend more to do a meet and greet with you, get a selfie with you, have you maybe record a little video with them or something.
That's where the money comes from to get all of those people.
It's not just about you, bro.
If you notice, every single video he makes, it seems to be about himself and talking about how I'm for the people.
I'm for the people.
But it's really not about the people because you wouldn't Actually take the time to understand how any of these productions work or have even a little bit of just humility, just basic humility over understanding that you're walking into a situation that a lot of people have walked into before.
A lot of people have put a lot of work, a lot of reputations, a lot of credibility on the line, and you're now deciding you're going to dictate to them That what the terms are going to be and how things are going to go.
So that's fine.
I mean, if you want to charge $25 a head, that's great.
Go do what you're going to do.
But just understand that you're going to be playing at a different tier of venue, a different size of crowd, a different amount of people, because that's just the way the world works.
And you can't change the way the world works just because you wish you want it so bad.
I'm sorry, that's Karl Marx, that's communism, that is literally going and taking money away from people that would otherwise, otherwise have to spend it.
You're trying to squeeze people because of your own ego.
It's all about your own ego, dude.
This guy's ego is bigger than his beard.
And the beard is very big.
It's quite large.
It is also quite Marxian, by the way.
Yeah, do we have that, by the way?
Can we put it up here?
Uh, let's put up, uh, 105.
Has anyone ever seen Karl Marx and Oliver Anthony at the same place, same time?
They haven't.
It's never happened.
That is cunning resemblance!
Das Kapital!
Look at that!
Is gonna be his next... His next, uh... His next song is going to be... The Workers of the World Unite!
Against the Bourgeoisie.
The Bourgeoisie of Appalachia.
By Oliver Anthony.
Final thoughts, guys?
I would just say be careful, be careful who you put your trust in, be careful who you put your faith in.
People are always going to come around, flavor of the month, flash in the pan, and you should not trust people just because they are good actors, good painters, good musicians.
I love liberals.
I think liberals are great.
I think liberals are wonderful.
I want liberals in my society.
I want them painting nice pictures.
I want them making food.
I want them styling hair, doing fashion.
I don't want them running anything.
I don't want them in charge of the military.
I don't want them in charge of businesses.
I don't want them in charge of police.
But I think there's definitely a place for those with the artist's soul Just as long as they understand their place.
I don't want liberals in my society.
I was waiting for who was going to say that.
Final thoughts are I'm never going to forget Banjo, Ginger, Bernie Sanders.
That's a that's a line that's going to stick with me.
Bravo, Charlie.
Uh, his ego is bigger than his beard.
Here's the deal.
I actually was sort of supportive of this guy when he first came out.
Uh, I think when we first talked about it on the show, I, I gave him a pass.
I was like, listen, he's new to this and maybe that's still the case.
Maybe he doesn't understand how these deals get made.
I don't care.
But for him to be, um, him just be like us, like it's more tonal for me.
He's like asserting the way, I don't know, something about it just strikes me as really arrogant and self-important.
And that's the part I don't like.
I think he's not passing the test of how to handle a lot of attention.
He's fumbling royally.
And expect glowing write-ups in Salon and Daily Beast as a result, unfortunately.
Jack, do you have any final thoughts?
Because I have a couple as we wrap this up tonight.
Because there's something really deep here that animates Oliver.
You just threw something out about hatred.
About this type of people he hates and I really like for you to get that out But I think this is this is this is based on this is based on envy This is based on anger and it's it's it's looking at the world from a plate from a very negative mindset And it's a very negative mindset of a mindset of scarcity not a mindset of abundance And I think that it's not it's clearly not something that That's in tune with what we need in this country.
I'm just gonna say, I really hope he preys on this and changes his mind.
I really do.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.
And that applies to both Oliver Anthony and that Virginia delegate candidate's, you know, online page.
Yeah, so I have to actually go in a second here, but I want to just prove it to you.
Almost every mainstream media outlet is coming to Oliver Anthony's defense.
Every single one, as I proved last time.
Oliver Anthony cancels Event over too high ticket prices.
Not true.
Not true.
And just, okay, a couple things.
It's very clear that Oliver Anthony hates people who owns the means of production.
George Orwell called himself a socialist for most of his life.
And the more he hung around socialists, he realized they were more animated by the hatred of the rich than trying to take care of the poor.
We have to be very careful that our heroes Who might say a thing or two to try to represent working people are not animated by trying to go after people who own the means of production.
I am all for representation for the working class, the white working class, the black working class, all of it.
I'm all for restoring the muscular class in this country.
But if we start to get in a direction where all of a sudden we're driven by people that have deep-seated envy, anger, resentment, like Oliver Anthony, then we're gonna be in a real tough spot.
In a bad spot, actually.
Because I think deep down, Oliver Anthony hates people who start businesses.
Hates entrepreneurs.
And that really is dangerous.
I reject that completely.
There is a healthy balance between entrepreneurs who make the world a better place and make the world work, and the working class.
That balance is a healthy one.
Oliver Anthony, he is Ginger Bernie Sanders with a banjo.
And with that, we wrap up our conversation tonight with Thought Crimes.
