Aug. 31, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 551: JOE BIGGS SENTENCED TO 17 YEARS IN PROUD BOYS SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY CASE
On today’s episode of Human Events, Jack Posobiec brings you the latest breaking news surrounding the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy case and Joe Biggs sentencing. The great Julie Kelly joins Jack to share her investigative work into the case and the inexplicable 17 year sentencing levied by Judge Timothy Kelly. Poso and Kelly dive deep into the sentencing and the implications it could have on Enrique Tarrio and even President Trump. Jack is also joined by the Red Headed Libertarian for a fa...
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
Today is August 31st, 2023.
On note, Domini.
We're joined now with the great investigative journalist, Julie Kelly, as the breaking news out of Washington, D.C.
An organizer with the Proud Boys, Joe Biggs, has just been sentenced to 17 years So, Joe Biggs and three other members of the Proud Boys were convicted by a D.C.
the crime of seditious conspiracy.
Julie Kelly, walk us through what happened here.
So Joe Biggs and three other members of the Proud Boys were convicted by a D.C. jury in May of seditious conspiracy, an extremely rare offense that dates back to the Civil War in New No American has ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy before January 6th.
Nonetheless, we're talking about Washington, D.C., so anything can happen.
So today was the first of five sentences.
One man was acquitted of seditious conspiracy.
He'll still be sentenced.
But today was Joseph Biggs, a member, leader of the Proud Boys.
As you said, convicted of seditious conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding, aiding and abetting the destruction of government property.
Judge Tim Kelly added, allowed the DOJ's domestic terror, not even domestic, terror enhancement at sentencing, claiming that Joe Biggs' involvement in trying to shake or dismantle part of a metal fence at the Capitol on January claiming that Joe Biggs' involvement in trying to shake or dismantle part of a metal fence at the Capitol on January 6th is resulted in, or equates to a crime of terrorism and added an enhancement that could add up to 10 or equates
And added an enhancement that could add up to 10 years in prison for what otherwise would be a low-level misdemeanor vandalism offense.
Claimed that that was an act of terrorism.
And that's what contributed to this excessive sentence.
Keep in mind, Jack, the DOJ wanted 33 years in prison for Joe Big.
Not only adding domestic terror or a terror enhancement for the fence incident, but also his convictions of obstruction of an official proceeding.
So, walk me through the theory of the case here, and we have three minutes, we'll take a break, and then we have a longer segment.
judge that's what happened in this courtroom this afternoon so walk me through the theory of the case here and we have three minutes we'll take a break and then we have a longer segment but how is he pushed over a fence he destroyed a fence how does that equal terrorism well he didn't even push over the fence and there were multiple people at this police find on the west side of the capital who were shaking these temporary metal barriers that had been erected really for the inauguration these
They call them the bike fences.
Exactly.
So they're temporary fences, right?
It's not like a permanent structure.
It's not a statue.
But because it fits this very vague definition, part of the terrorism statute, saying Well, this is government property.
If you destroy or vandalize it, that's part of, that could be considered an act of terrorism.
Now, I'm sure the people who wrote that statute didn't think that, you know, 20 years later, 30 years later, it would be applied to someone shaking a fence outside of the Capitol.
But that's exactly where we are as this DOJ and federal judges, Trump appointed, Obama appointed, turn low level offenses and nonviolent offenses like obstruction into crimes, federal crimes of terrorism.
A federal crime of terrorism.
And look, I was there on January 6th.
I remember seeing the bike fences.
They were not part of a government facility.
They were not part of anything that anyone would consider a government facility.
And by the way, those temporary fences, fencing, weren't even at the Capitol itself.
They were way ahead, just on the lawn, basically just on the grounds.
Well, this was actually near the West Terrace.
So this allegedly these temporary fencing had been erected for the inauguration, which is strange because no one, you know, with COVID still.
So, but nonetheless, they were temporary fencing with a few Capitol Police officers behind that fence.
And as I said, you know, Joe Biggs was there, he was at the line, he was shaking the fence a little bit with Ethan Durdine, but now he is considered a terrorist.
A domestic terrorist, a guy who's a combat veteran, a guy who had worked as a reporter for a long time, he's featured in documentaries, well-known documentaries for serving our country, is given 17 years.
This is a joke?
This is ridiculous.
We're coming up on a break, but we're talking now here to Julie Kelly, investigative journalist.
We're telling the truth about what happened in a DC courtroom to Americans for exercising their rights to protest.
Some of which then did conduct activity which would be considered normally a misdemeanor but these judges have decided to go further than ever before inside the United States sentencing people using terrorism enhancements for shaking A bike rack at the Capitol on January 6th.
Joe Biggs now sentenced to 17 years in federal prison.
Don't think for a second that they don't want to do this to Trump and every single one of us.
Stay right there.
You won't get this anywhere else.
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Julie, I was riveted to your Twitter page, your live tweeting, essentially, of these trials and this insanity that was going on in the DC courthouse.
I've been to some pretty disgusting trials at the DC courthouse.
I don't think I've seen anything as bad as this.
Walk us through some of the abject insanity that you saw But at the same time, they seem to be bringing up, and you notice this again and again, they keep bringing up the name Donald Trump again and again in connection to seditious conspiracy.
What went down?
So you're right.
So Judge Tim Kelly brought up Donald Trump's name.
Donald Trump, the man who appointed him to the federal bench in 2017, brought up his name repeatedly in a pre-sentencing hearing on Tuesday.
The government, this DOJ, has basically said, not basically said, has said, that the alleged conspiracy, this seditious conspiracy, began on December 19th, 2020.
And that's not an accident, Jack.
That was the day that Donald Trump sent that tweet, come to Washington on January 6th, will be wild.
Their reaction to that, in private group chats then, the government says, the DOJ says, and obviously Judge Tim Kelly agreed with, That initiated the plan to conspire to quote-unquote attack the Capitol.
So he brought up, and Donald Trump's name came up again today by, I'm at the airport, by Judge Kelly again, noting that tweet and noting that Donald Trump was responsible for prompting the Proud Boys to conspire to, what, overthrow the government on January 6th.
So what you're saying is they're essentially, and if I can summarize for a second, what you're basically trying to say is they're trying to claim that Trump's tweet, his tweet about coming to DC for the protest, was essentially, by the way, I'm just going to say it, this is the same exact logic that we saw from Fannie Willis in connecting this series of unrelated efforts and actions.
Into a grand sweeping conspiracy.
What you're saying is these judges, even some of which were Trump appointed, are doing the exact same thing with his tweet in connecting them, these these Proud Boys members, in a wide-reaching, you know, spider web conspiracy to Donald Trump's Twitter.
Well they actually, the Department of Justice and judges like Tim Kelly, actually go back even further.
Citing Donald Trump's offhanded remark in the September 2020 presidential debate, when, after being prompted by Joe Biden twice, said, Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.
What prosecutors have said, and judges have basically endorsed, is that was a call to action.
It was a call to arms, that that was supposed to prompt all sorts of recruitment for the Proud Boys, when Donald Trump said that from the debate stage.
So this has extensive ties to Donald Trump, and now we have the imprimatur of, you know, a minor vandalism act being considered a terrorism act, and stretching that, connecting that back to Donald Trump.
That's why I don't think, Jack, that Jack Smith is done with Donald Trump related to January 6th, because these sentences, what these judges are saying, whether it's Tim Kelly appointed by Trump, Amit Mehta, appointed by Barack Obama, they are the ones that are putting this terrorism imprimatur on minor acts, non-violent acts, but eventually connecting it all back to Donald Trump.
And so this is what you've said before.
Your theory has been all along that it seems as though Jack Smith and it would seem that the DOJ obviously has caught wind of what he's working on, what he's cooking up over there, that in the Special Counsel's investigations, particularly the DC one, which of course is happening in the same building, by the way.
People understand the geography of DC.
It's the same building.
Where all of this is going on, there's another grand jury that could potentially be looking at, what you've said before, a superseding indictment.
Do you still think that it would be a seditious conspiracy charge to Donald Trump?
I believe that that is still possible.
The D.C., the grand jury impaneled in D.C.
for January 6th is still working.
That's my understanding from a source today.
You have to remember there are six unindicted co-conspirators in Jack Smith's original Indictment, which includes, you know, the same people in Fannie Willis' indictment, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Jeff Clark, Sidney Powell.
So they have yet to charge them.
So it's very possible Jack Smith will charge those individuals separately and then do what's called a superseding indictment, which is to combine defendants, combine charges, add charges.
You know, he could bring seditious conspiracy charges against John Eastman, Jeff Clark, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Uh, and then that would sort of be the launching pad to do the same to Trump.
I just can't believe that after all this time and money and publicity that Jack Smith is just going to walk away with a four-count indictment or four-count conviction on obstruction of an official proceeding opposed to Enron law and three, you know, random conspiracy counts.
I just don't believe that that is his long-term, short-term plan.
Well, when we look at what the case has shown down in Georgia, and I'm going to go back to this again, because in her RICO indictment, she also alleged this conspiracy, many of the actions would overlap, and I'm sure, I've heard this, I'm sure you've heard it as well, that there has been coordination between the office of Fannie Willis and the investigation of Jack Smith.
Do you think then that perhaps this RICO case Could be part of a roadmap into where the grand jury is going in DC.
I mean, it could be, but you know, because obviously they were working at the same time.
Danny Willis launched her investigation into Trump in February of 2021.
So I don't know if there was any collaboration between Fannie Smith and DOJ.
And then with Jack Smith, when he was appointed in November of 2022, you'll recall.
When she was asked at her near midnight press conference after her indictment whether there had been collaboration or communication between her office and Jack Smith, and she refused to answer the question.
But look, part of my argument is Fannie Willis has kind of upstaged all of the other indictments, including the classified documents, and now January 6th.
She got the big, meaty, you know, 90-plus page indictment.
She has all the bad guys tied to Trump world, including Donald Trump himself.
So, um, that's why, you know, I, I doubt that they're necessarily collaborating.
Um, but you know, she took a lot of stuff from the, from the J six report.
So did Jack Smith.
That really is the roadmap.
And that was the whole point of that committee was to get all of the witness transcripts to collect all the information.
We now know that some of the material has been destroyed or is missing.
We know that certain transcripts have not been made publicly available.
All of that now is in the hands of Jack Smith.
So, I think that was more the roadmap than anything else.
Julie, what should Republicans be doing when they're faced with this situation?
When they're seeing this, as you can see it coming, you know, right down the pike, as they say.
Why does it seem like Republicans are in passive receive mode on this?
Because they are.
Because they don't know They don't understand the gravity of what's happening in these courtrooms.
They don't understand the precedent that is being set now.
Not just things like rattling a metal fence on federal property, but obstruction and making up these crazy conspiracy schemes and turning them into federal crimes punishable by 20 years in prison.
They just, they're not paying attention.
I understand the Hunter Biden and the Joe Biden and all.
I get that that's very important.
But look, at the end of the day, unfortunately, we know that's not going anywhere.
What they need to do right now is look at what's happening in these courts.
They need to call these judges in front of a public hearing, not a transcribed interview.
They do have oversight capacity of the judicial branch.
I can't even tell you the last time a federal judge was impeached.
And maybe they don't have enough justification to impeach them, but they certainly can call them to account and have them explain to the American people the decisions that they are making basically behind closed doors.
Remember, there's no cameras in these courtrooms.
When I first started covering all of this, I could call into a public access line.
Because of COVID, they shut all of that down.
Unless you travel to Washington, D.C.
and you go in these courtrooms, no one is seeing what these judges and prosecutors are doing and saying.
So, I think the House GOP should confront them publicly, televised hearings, and have Judge Tim Kelly, Amit Mehta, Farrell Hull, etc.
explain their ruling.
They're pre-trial detention.
You say Joe Big, 17 years in prison, he's already been in jail for 30 months.
He's been denied release since his arrest in January of 2021.
These are political prisoners.
And these judges, at the end of the day, are the ones responsible for holding them as political prisoners and treating them the way that they have been.
I think that's exactly right.
Julie, I know you have to run in a second here.
Tell us, just in bottom line, how should people be thinking about this when they look at these cases?
More sentences will be coming, and then let us know where people can go to follow all your work.
I mean, all I say to people is pressure your representative, Republican representative in Congress, to pay attention to this and figure out legislatively if there is any remedy.
Um, that's about all we can do right now.
I think it's falling on deaf ears, but if you want to try something, that's about all we've got.
Um, so people can find me at my sub deck, the classified with Julie Kelley.
As you guys know, I post a lot of motions, court transcripts and breaking news, so that's where people can find it.
Oh, it's absolutely the best place.
It's like having a Patriot's window directly into the DC docket.
Julie Kelly, God bless you for doing the yeoman's work on this.
God bless you for taking the time, literally as you're boarding a plane, to be with us here and to inform the Human Events audience today.
Well, you're the best, Jack.
Thanks for covering all my work from the beginning.
I really, really am grateful, and so are all the people involved in this.
Very grateful for your coverage and your attention.
Now, of course, Julie Kelly doing some of the most important work out there, not only on this, but even prior to that, on the Never Trump movement, which we'll be talking about in the future here.
But folks, this is more important than those early battles.
This is the battle for the Republic itself.
Do you want to restore the Republic?
Do you want to institute a new American Republic?
We must face the overstate as it is, and Julie Kelly knows it better than anyone else.
I'm talking about influences.
These are influences, and they're friends of mine.
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Where's Jack?
Jack.
He's done a great job.
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Alright folks, we had Julie Kelly originally on.
We didn't get to do the cold open yet, so folks, here it is.
The left-wing lunatics are trying very hard to bring back COVID lockdowns and mandates with all of their sudden fear-mongering.
We will not let it happen.
When I'm back in the White House, I will use every available authority to cut federal funding to any school, college, airline, or public transportation system that imposes a mask mandate or a vaccine mandate.
Over 100 days ago, Joe Biden promised that he would visit East Palestine, and he has broken that promise, refused to visit, and more importantly, Sean, he has refused to actually employ the services of his government to help the people of East Palestine.
Donald Trump showed up in East Palestine, and Joe Biden never did, and he hasn't shown up anywhere else either.
Well, I welcome a federal response in Maui.
I think that they should go out and talk to every elected official.
The president reacted in record time when it came to dealing with the wildfires, when it came to dealing and making sure that they got everything that they need on the federal level to deal with what was going on on the ground.
So, your question is wrong, is flawed in many, many ways.
What we saw with this storm, as we have seen with several of our hurricanes over the last few years, is that they are intensifying more rapidly due to the elevated heat of the water temperature in the Gulf.
I let each governor I spoke with know, if there's anything, anything the states need right now, I'm ready to mobilize that support.
I don't think anybody can deny the impact of a climate crisis anymore.
There will be a hot war between the United States and Russia in the next year.
But I think as a political matter, they need to declare war footing in order to assume war powers in order to win.
Alright folks, so there's Tucker Carlson in an interview with Adam Carolla saying that he predicts that within a year we will be in a hot war with Russia.
Not because it's in America's strategic interest, but because it's in the strategic interest of the overstate.
The strategic interest of the powers that be to maintain total control over us and total control over our country.
Tucker even went so far as to say that they would do so in order to enact war powers and essentially cancel the 2024 election.
I threw up a tweet yesterday that as of right now 2.5 million impressions on Twitter.
We have it right here.
I wrote, they've launched America into war with Russia just to get rid of military age American males who are more likely to support Trump.
Now what do you think folks?
Does it make sense?
Do you buy it?
Do you think that's crazy?
Well let me tell you what happened with this tweet.
Because I posted it yesterday and the neocons lost their ever loving minds.
They freaked out.
They went nuts.
Why?
Because they have devoted their entire lives to the furtherance of the overstate's ability to wage war overseas.
They came at me with, oh, don't you care about this human rights abuse somewhere in the world?
Don't you care about this thing that doesn't affect Americans directly?
What about this?
What about that?
I said, guys, I was one of you.
I've gone to your conferences.
I've gone to your schools.
I've worn your uniform.
I've been on your deployments.
I understand what it's like when you're inside the system, but let me tell you something.
The overstate doesn't care about our children.
They never did.
They don't care if the people you love are in a trench fighting a war that can't be won thousands of miles away from home, a lifetime away from peace and real freedom.
To them, You are just a cog in the machine.
A cog in the machine that they own.
And if you can't see that in every neocon war room, every liberal think tank that hasn't thrown this idea against the wall as a break glass in case of emergency scenario, then you're part of the problem.
They will do this.
They would do this.
Why do you have a guy like Tucker Carlson coming out and saying this now?
Why do you have a regime that's doing everything they can?
I've got the mugshot right here.
I've got the mugshot right here.
You see that?
I've got the mugshot right here.
Why are they doing everything they can to stop the one man who stood in their way?
Because there's one path.
There's one path to peace.
And the overstate is terrified of him and the voices of the people he speaks for.
You cannot let them erase you.
You cannot let them shut you down silently and go into that cold night.
The war is not meant to be won.
The war is meant to be continuous.
They don't care about spreading democracy and they sure don't care about protecting freedom.
I think we figured that out at this point.
They're in survival mode.
They are the beast falling down the pit on the way to the abyss and oblivion and they're trying to make sure that you and your family and your children get there before they do.
Look at the United States right now.
We are like the Soviet Union in its final years.
Decrepit leaders People who can barely stand up, people who can't even tell what room they're in, and yet you do see this on both sides of the aisle.
Pushing insane ideologies on their own people, demanding that these ideologies be upheld overseas, and having the military ability to push for it at the same time.
Folks, we saw what happened to the Soviet Union.
This could be us.
The Constitution was shredded years ago, and conservatives didn't conserve it.
They didn't.
And that's why the new right is here now.
The left was more than happy to create the new power, to create the new structure, that which we now call the overstate.
This is the system under which we live, and the people that control it, like Tucker Carlson said, that were willing to assassinate a president of the United States, that were willing to drive Richard Nixon out of office, that were willing to smear, impeach, indict, and perhaps even imprison Donald Trump.
You don't think that that country wouldn't send you to die?
Wouldn't send you knowingly to your death for their own ends, for their own designs?
Joe Biden has millions of reasons to make sure that those files and those recordings in Ukraine never see the light of day.
He's got, shall we say, personal reasons.
But understand this, the ruling class will use Joe Biden like their own personal sock puppet to keep him up there, even in the face of what everyone knows to be true.
They know that Joe Biden isn't running the show.
Everyone knows that.
It's people like Victoria Nuland.
It's people like Tony Blinken.
And before them, Madeleine Albright, Hillary Clinton.
These people.
These globalists.
Barack Obama.
Right?
They're the ones that have launched wars.
They're the ones that have pushed regime change.
They're the ones who have extended America into the empire that the overstate tries to institute today.
Bringing in the World Economic Forum.
Bringing in the WHO.
Forcing the United Nations to be a ridiculous joke.
Honestly, it was always kind of a ridiculous joke.
We do not have the systems and the infrastructure in place, but more to the point, we don't have time for anything else.
Anyway, folks, as we go, I want to let you out on a little high note here, because...
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Libertarian joins us in the next segment.
I'm the crypto-fascist Mossad CIA agent Russian KGB all at once.
They threw a riot to prevent the debate.
To prevent the adjudication, to prevent the debate, to prevent it from being held in the will of the Senate.
So what actually happens after all the dust clears They meet later that night on January 6th.
No debate is held and they just ram it through.
Mass civil disobedience if they try to lock us down again.
Mass civil disobedience.
We cannot fall for false flags.
We have to mostly peaceful protest.
And will you please admit that you are a CIA operative before you leave?
Look, you know what they say, man.
Once you go Langley, you never go back.
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We are here.
Josie, the red-headed libertarian, joins us now from Tim Kittles.
Josie, thank you so much for joining us today.
Thanks so much for having me, Jack.
So you saw Tucker Carlson's interview talking about this potential for a hot war with Russia.
I've thrown out here this potential secondary goal to whittle away the potential pool of dissidents here in the United States.
Are we off?
Are we completely off our rockers on this?
Because I'll tell you something, it's very interesting.
Neocons have been screaming at me for like the last 25 hours about this tweet Liberals haven't said a word, because you know what?
They looked at this thing and they winked.
They winked.
What do you think's going on?
I think that there is definitely potential for a hot war with Russia.
I believe that you're right about trying to remove dissidents.
What we're seeing happen right now, we're kind of in this communist overthrow, right?
And if anybody has ever read Carl Marx, if they've ever read the Communist Manifesto, they know that he kind of outlined how to overthrow a society in that book.
And so he said, all right, well, in order to overthrow a society, we need to overthrow the ruling class.
And the ruling class involved family, history, truth, religion, all of those things that are kind of seen as bad right now.
If you have a good family, if you're in religion, they're trying to overthrow all of that now.
And I believe that they could use Something like a war with Russia to forward this kind of communist agenda that's happening right now.
Well, I think it's exactly right.
I really, by the way, I really, did I say right here?
It's redheaded, redheaded libertarian.
Gosh, we're sitting here.
I'm looking at a million different things.
But, but Josie, when, when we're talking about a potential communist overthrow, do we really think that it's people like Joe Biden that are actually in charge of these things?
Or is he the guy who's just on TV kind of selling us this stuff?
He's our puppet.
There's no way, there's no way that he's in charge of this stuff.
He can't lace a sentence together.
There's definitely something going on there, whether it's dementia, whether it's other kind of, just elderly, just being old.
There's something not right.
He's not pulling the strings.
We do have some kind of shadow government in place.
I don't know who it is.
There was all the talk about Barack Obama's better term.
Who knows?
Maybe he's pulling the strings.
I'm not sure, but it's definitely not Joe Biden.
Now, when they talk about sedition, when they talk about the seditious conspiracy, you've got the Proud Boys, they've all been charged and convicted with seditious conspiracy.
Joe Big, 17 years, Enrique Tarrio, they want to put him away for the rest of his life.
They want him in there basically for the rest of his life.
Why then would they do that to people who, okay, admittedly, you know, they were up to mischief, they committed trespass, there was vandalism, got it, parading.
Why, though, go and slam them with sentences that are absolutely this long?
It's a perp walk.
So essentially, all right, if you look at our history, when it comes to the Civil War, for instance, the charges against The president of the Confederate States of America, um, had all of his charges dropped because no judge worth his weight would touch something like that because America was founded on seditious conspiracy.
So they wrote the, when they wrote it, you know, but, um, I think it was more like trying to scare people away from it, but they're actually using it, which is just, I don't even have words for it.
I don't have any words for it.
Well, the words of it are actually right over your shoulder there, I can see it, and at the namesake of this show that we're on right now, When in the Course of Human Events.
The Declaration of Independence is, by its own writ, an inherent and overt seditious conspiracy against the government.
At the time, this was the government of the British Empire.
And something that we've talked about for a long time was how back then the British Empire was essentially the global system.
This was the global world order of the time.
Of course, ruled in a very different way than the current world order, but at the same time, it was this idea that we were a colony that was sort of one satellite state apart from the mother, you know, the mothership of London.
That's where it all came down.
Power flowed through there.
This was sort of settlement.
They were going to see how it was a potential investment.
There were wars.
Taxation went on top of that to fight against the Indians, etc, etc, etc.
But when America was founded, it was founded as a nation state.
This is entirely different.
So, Josie, When we think about how these neocons will tell us about, oh, the people of this group in Syria or that group in Donetsk and Lugansk, what's the disconnect from actually dealing with Americans here at home?
I'm sorry, Jack, can you repeat that?
Oh yeah, sure.
So, to me it seems like there's a disconnect from the way that our country was founded as a nation-state, where we're directly supposed to be only beholden to our own citizens.
And yet, you get these neocons up there that are constantly telling us that we need to worry about the concerns.
And look, I know there's human rights abuses.
There's always going to be terrible things going on around the world.
Go look at Africa!
They're knocking off governments left and right right now.
But at the same time, we've got problems here in our own backyard.
Yes, they are.
So under Article 4 of the U.S.
Constitution, the military is only supposed to intervene when it comes to protecting the states from foreign invaders.
They're not supposed to do what they're doing now when it comes to wars in other countries.
There's nothing enshrined in the Constitution about that at all.
Exactly right.
And so we have specific rules when it comes to the use of military force, the military operations within the United States.
Are we defending and protecting our country?
Are we defending our people?
Or are we doing something where we've decided to go far back?
Keep in mind, people need to understand this, that all of these activities, these military operations, they're being funded and enforced under the 9-11 War Powers Act.
So, because of 9-11, we've got troops in Syria.
Because of 9-11, we've got troops all throughout Africa.
At some point, Josie, are the American people ever going to wake up and demand more from their government?
I mean, I hope so.
We've done it in the past.
I like to think that the blood of our founders still runs through our bodies and we're going to wake up.
But I think that the way forward ultimately is going to be with strong states' rights So we're seeing like Florida become freer because they're putting in these kind of, they're not, they're not listening to the federal government.
They're kind of abiding by the 10th amendment as opposed to listening to what the federal government said, like whether it was COVID or really anything else.
Um, and I believe that as we move forward, we're going to see a nation of 50 separate sovereign States in the way that our founders kind of intended to when they put that fail safe in there that said, um, This is what happens if you ever get another King George.
You're going to be protected because of your states.
That's very interesting.
So, we're coming up on a break here.
Producers, let's work on that.
I think we have a little connection snag.
We'll work on that in the break.
But I want to tease out this idea that you have, Josie.
This idea of 50 sovereign states moving apart.
COVID obviously being one of the major catalysts of this war another.
This is fascinating, and this is how America is moving.
We've talked about it before.
The great exodus.
The national exodus.
The civil exodus.
Not civil war, but civil exodus.
Can it hold?
Stay tuned.
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We are talking with the red-headed libertarian.
Really interesting segment that you, or concept, that you just brought up, Josie, here in the last segment, was about this idea of 50 sovereign states.
And you're right, that it wasn't just one country, one federal state, that was created under our Constitution.
It was an idea, and this, of course, flowing through the Tenth Amendment, That states' rights would take primacy.
Now, though, I think there's a lot of laws that went in to change this.
I think the Civil Rights Law, for example, was a huge erosion of states' rights, regardless of what Joy Reid, and actually the one time I was on Joy Reid, we really got into it over The Civil Rights Act, that they would have us believe.
But in a situation where the state of the states, as it were, is supposed to be like this, we're starting to see now this internal migration within the United States where people are moving from one area to another based largely upon Absolutely.
And I know because I'm one of those people that left my state to go for your state.
It can be done.
political function at the same time.
So Josie, can this be achieved?
Can a nation, a sovereign nation of 50 states be restored in America?
Absolutely.
And I know because I'm one of those people that left my state to go for your state.
It can be done.
It was scary.
I left my family, which I love very much.
They're all up in Massachusetts, but it was best for my children to be in Florida.
And they're thriving here.
And that's what I tell people.
I'm like, if you feel like it can't be done, or you're trying to making excuses for why it can't be done or why you can't move, just put all that aside and just do it because you could be saving your child's life.
You don't know.
But I feel like a lot of parents are waking up to this, and they're moving away from states that maybe don't have their child's best interests at heart, whether it's the trans agenda or the pornography in the schools or, you know, just the equity as opposed to meritocracies in any of these states.
And parents are really waking up to it.
I believe Florida has had a huge influx of parents like me that moved here.
Um, and I think it was Scott Kressler, I could be wrong, who said that, you know, he does all the voting, the voting stuff, and said that it was like 100% red votes that moved here, so we're not getting any blue votes moving here.
So people are starting to kind of, uh, balkanize themselves, I guess, in a way, uh, and put themselves where they feel most at home.
Well, and so I've called this the civil exodus, and in fact, I've called for a civil exodus.
And this, of course, is in response to what a lot of people say.
They say, oh, we need national divorce, and we need to break up into two systems.
I just don't think it's realistic, frankly.
I don't think it would, if it ever attempted to happen, It would not be peaceful whatsoever, but you're seeing it.
Of course, California is probably the best example that people are just leaving.
They're voting with their feet, and they're coming down to areas not just in Florida, but throughout the South, which is funny because if you actually look at the trajectory of California's demographics, a lot of the people that originally moved there to California in the settlement of California was post-Civil War, so a lot of these people actually do, a couple generations back, have Southern roots So this might be sort of a great sort that we're seeing, but Josie, what is your take?
And I'm not gonna put you on a hot seat here, but do you think that a civil exodus would be preferable to a straight-up national divorce?
Yes.
I don't believe a national divorce is even possible.
Look at how loosely they're throwing around sedition.
Anybody can be charged with sedition.
Now imagine trying to divorce your entire state from the country.
And they're not afraid to use that because it's power.
They have power over the 50 sovereign states, to an extent.
And they don't want to give up even one of those states.
So I don't believe a national divorce is possible.
I don't believe it's going to happen.
But I do believe in a civil exodus, as you were talking about.
Absolutely.
Because we're seeing it.
We're seeing it happen now, and we're seeing it happen peacefully.
I mean, that's exactly right.
And a huge insight, by the way, that if anyone were to actually attempt, actually attempt, to enact a national divorce, this Department of Justice, look what they're doing!
Joe Biggs shaking a bite rack Now that's called terrorism.
His acts go towards the obstruction of an official proceeding.
17 years in jail.
They want Enrique Tarrio to be sent in jail for the rest of his life, essentially.
You try to put something like a national divorce on the, you know, I guess the state legislature, the state rules, anywhere, you know, at Charleston, of course, right?
Because South Carolina was the first one last time.
You absolutely would be charged with sedition.
I think people who are, I think there's a lot of well-meaning people who propose this national divorce thing, but I just don't think, maybe they're not as jaded as some of the rest of us, but I do also notice, I'm just going to throw it out there, there's a generational divide on this where a lot of the people who seem to support national divorce Fall into the Generation X category.
Am I crazy for pointing that out?
Am I crazy for noticing that, Josie?
Not at all.
It's Generation X. It's the Xennials, so it's people maybe our age that are kind of in between that millennial, Xennial kind of divide.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and it's big in libertarian circles, too.
I'm too pragmatic for it.
I see what we're doing instead, and I see that that's working, and I think that it's very radical to say that a national divorce will happen, but when it comes to maybe the anarchist sect of libertarianism, they're all about it.
And it's like, okay, maybe that's an ultimate goal.
Once we've balkanized ourselves enough away from each other, maybe somebody will Look at it as maybe the country will feel like, all right, we don't want to do business with this state.
Maybe it's better to not be unified in that regard.
I'm not saying.
Well, it's like, it's like, it's, it's kind of like, you know, it's, it's sort of like, you know, you're, you're, it's a separation, but you're still living under the same roof.
You're in different bedrooms.
Maybe you date other countries every once in a while, but you're staying together for the sake of New England, really for the sake of New England.
And some of the other, the other little, for Guam, for Puerto Rico, you gotta stay together, because these places will be completely overrun by the Chinese and the Russians if we don't.
The red-headed libertarian, tell us, where can people go to follow you, follow your work?
Absolutely.
You can find me on X, the old Twitter, at T-R-H-L-O-V-E.
Old Twitter.
Mm-hmm, old Twitter.
Or you can, or definitely go over to timcast.com and subscribe over there to help support our work.
And those are really the two places to find me.
All right, Josie, thank you so much for coming on.
Enlightening discussion.
Folks, do we really think that they would just let us go?
When you're looking at people being sentenced to 17 years, another who's facing life in prison for shaking a bike rack, people who weren't even there, understand what time it is.
Understand what Julie Kelly is walking through.
The overstate is coming for you.
They're coming for your family.
They will come for your children.
The only way out is through.
The only way out is to defeat them with its total victory or total annihilation.
