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Aug. 4, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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BONUS EPISODE: Roseanne and Poso on Hunter’s Laptop (October 2020)

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	Hi everyone, it's Rosanne, and I'm very excited.
	My guest for this hour is Jack Posobek, who works for my favorite news station OAN, along with the lovely Chanel Rion.
	He's very fashionable, and you guys are doing the real work of journalism.
	I'm very happy to have you on my show.
	Well, thank you so much.
	much.
	I appreciate that.
	Have her on the network with us.
	You know, it's, you know, it's something where it's amazing to think that now I've been there about two years, two and a half years or so, and now we're at a point as a network that's really only been around for just about six years, you know, they're playing us on, on Air Force One of all places.
	So, you know, I heard that.
	Isn't that fantastic?
	I heard he was a real fan.
	You got to start somewhere, right?
	Yeah.
	It's a good place to start.
	I heard he makes everybody watch it too on the airplane, right?
	Well, that's what he does.
	Yeah.
	He says, um, so he'll put it on the airplane and then sometimes they have different sections of the plane.
	So you got to watch it, uh, wherever you are on the plane, you got to watch OAN.
	Oh, that's so cool.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like when you're in the airport, you know, on CNN.
	Yeah, captive audience.
	But all my friends are watching OAN and going, oh my God, I wish everybody could get this channel and watch it because, you know, what a refreshing and completely different, you know, way of laying out the news for us regular folk. way of laying out the news for us regular folk.
	You know, a bit of truth and some real journalistic skill.
	It's refreshing.
	It's a throwback to my old days of my childhood when we We used to really be able to trust, or we thought we could, trust the news.
	Well, that's been one of the big things, one of the big changes in media, right, is because media has gone in many ways, especially when it comes to news, it's gone from telling you what's going on to telling you that how you should feel about the news, right?
	So instead of just informing you, you know, remember the five W's, right?
	Remember the five, you know, it's the five W's, who are where and why?
	That was supposed to be journalism.
	And then, but the problem is along the way, a lot of students, that would go to journalism school, if you, and you could, this still is true today.
	You go out to any student in journalism school, they say, "Why do you wanna get into journalism?
	Why do you wanna get into journalism?" And they'll say, "Well, I wanna change the world.
	Well, I wanna change the world." And so here's the problem.
	That's not journalism.
	What that is, is activism.
	If you're trying to change the world, now you're doing activism.
	If you're trying to inform and obtain information, inform the public of that information, tell people the truth of what's going on.
	That's journalism, right?
	That's journalism.
	And people can decide how they want to decide about that.
	You know, if we find information on Donald Trump, we report that.
	If we find information on Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, we report that.
	We don't tell people how to feel about it, right?
	Or, you know, if we do have an opinion section, we're telling you, this is our opinion, right?
	This is an opinion show or this talk show, that type of thing.
	But for probably a good amount of the direct... Right, we used to have editorials.
	We used to have editorials where in someone...
	You know, wrote about their opinion or, you know, their take on the news.
	And now it's like all editorial.
	The facts are missing, too, and they're jumbled up and concealed.
	So I would understand.
	That's the problem.
	I look at it.
	Somebody could change the world if they would go into journalism with the express goal of telling the truth.
	They would change the world.
	Well, we gotta turn it back, and that's the real epistemological question now, is that people are arguing about what is truth and what is not truth, right?
	And I just mentioned it a second ago, but the story that we've been reporting this week that's blown wide, and here's what's amazing, it's the number one story in America, but you're not supposed to talk about it, right?
	And that is this whole Hunter Biden scandal.
	We're not supposed to talk about this story, and yet if you go and look, and I have your permission, I'd like to break a little news here on the show.
	Could we do that?
	I would love it.
	Yes, please.
	Let's break some news.
	Let's do it.
	We're going to break news.
	Right now, if you look at the Google trending, so you can go to Google Analytics and look at the trending, the number of searches for Hunter Biden on Google Is at the same level it was for WikiLeaks this same period in 2016, and it might actually end up going higher than WikiLeaks was in 2016.
	That's the amount of people that have heard of this story, that are thinking about this story, that are asking questions about this story, and yet so many sources in mainstream media will refuse to report on this.
	And that's even, to me, that's almost even bigger than the actual story itself, right?
	The actual story is big, but the fact that there are these institutions, this whole media apparatus that refuses to even acknowledge it, or when it does acknowledge it, it's in a way to try to cast it in a certain negative light as if we shouldn't be talking about that story.
	That to me tells you a lot about where we are.
	It's totally manipulated.
	And like a friend of mine, Linda Perry says, the news exists to hide the news.
	You know, it's all, you know, they'll, you know, you know, they almost invent little events or, or find out, you know, invent little things so they can fill the new space with it, thereby obscuring the actual news that is the real news that's making the world go round.
	So the news's job is to hide the news.
	Cause I tell you what, I'm looking at some of these emails in here and I believe it or not, you know what I have?
	What?
	I'll show you.
	It's right here.
	This is a copy of the hard drive right here.
	I got it.
	Oh my God.
	How many people do you think have that?
	It's starting now to go out to a wider circle of people so at first it was they were encountering an issue with with accessing the files on the hard drive but now They've gotten past that and there's a whole sort of a tech team that's working on it and they're just, they're making more copies now and it's very accessible.
	So it is going out to journalistic organizations and now obviously you got to be responsible with this because there are a lot of personal files on here.
	There's stuff, you know, divorce files.
	There's stuff in here with like, like family stuff that, you know, it's just, it's not, it's not news, right?
	It's not news, but.
	Right, well to a lot of people in the media it would be news.
	It would be even a bigger news than the actual stuff that threatens the security of our country.
	They would like all that salacious stuff far more than the important key And isn't that sad?
	Isn't that sad, right?
	Aren't we supposed to have a journalistic class, right?
	A media in this country that's informing us, not just, you know, are you a liberal?
	Are you a conservative?
	Are you this or that?
	Whatever, right?
	Just tell us what's going on in our world.
	Well, when you dip into these emails, you see very quickly how the sausage is made.
	This is like in The Wizard of Oz and getting that peek behind the curtain, right?
	You know, we're told that we're supposed to be friends with this country because they're a good country and we're supposed to be enemies with that country because they're a bad country.
	But then you look and you find, well, that country you said was a good country, you're getting paid.
	Right, you're getting paid tens of thousands of dollars a month and then you turn around and say, oh, this is our friend, this is a good country and we have to, you know, hate the other country that happens to be their adversary.
	Meanwhile, I've been going this whole year, I've been going around, I've been going around Roseanne's America.
	I've been going around Roseanne's America, because I've been going to Wisconsin, and Michigan, and Toledo, Ohio, and I've been going to Milwaukee, and I've been green everywhere, right?
	I've been all over St.
	Louis.
	I've been all over the Midwest this year, more than I've ever been in a year, and I go out covering the campaign, but we go out and we talk to real people about this.
	I'm from Pennsylvania to begin with.
	We were just in Johnstown, actually, and When I look at some of this stuff and I say, I don't see how you guys were getting paid to be on the board of some Ukrainian gas company.
	You're also getting money from Russia.
	You're getting money from China.
	What does that have to do with the people?
	How does that help anybody?
	How does that help you do your job as a representative?
	What are you doing there?
	They're selling them down the river.
	It's like top-to-bottom sedition.
	Selling people's jobs down the river, the people that you're sent there to represent.
	I'm just talking about Congress.
	But you're sent there to represent your peeps, so you go there and sell them into slavery, sell their jobs down the river.
	Uh, you know, try to get, you know, do everything you can to get at their social security benefits, because that's the big cha-ching, and they're working real hard for that.
	Don't kid yourself.
	And I'm especially talking about, you know, the Democrat Party.
	They want your retirement funds and everything else they can bend to get at that money.
	And they have been working on that for a long time, and the press never, ever says it.
	The press never says anything about that, how people's Retirement funds 401ks and stuff are sitting there as prey.
	And the people we elected to go represent us, you know, pass law after law, making it easier for predators to get at it.
	And that's criminal.
	It's criminal.
	What kind of a representational government is that?
	It's criminal.
	You've got a system now where the rich and the elites and the money classes, they're just able to feed.
	They're able to feed off of these companies that are now going overseas more and more, right?
	And it's to be fair, right?
	I'm not trying to get political, but Joe Biden was a big part of that.
	He was a big part of that in his 47 years, right?
	He just was.
	It's just a fact.
	And since they are making the money from overseas, then they just look at you as a consumer, right?
	Your job now, in their eyes, is to consume, right?
	You're to consume whether it's the newest product, whatever the latest product is, whatever the latest thing they're pushing is, your big screens, everything, right?
	Your consumption.
	Then they finally, you know, they don't care what your diet is.
	They don't care if you're addicted to opioids.
	They don't care about any of these things.
	They just want to make sure that you keep voting for them.
	So they, you know, they, they'll bring up some issue that they'll tell you, Oh, this is terrible, horrible thing.
	And we just, I'm the only one who's going to help you with it.
	And you have to worry about this.
	And if you don't vote for me, then this thing is going to come get you.
	So they use those tactics of fear and fear is an excellent motivator.
	It's a fantastic, well, I was in the Navy.
	I mean, believe me, our, you know, our, our chiefs and our officers, boy, they knew how to put some fear into you.
	And it's, they use that to manipulate people to keep themselves in power and yet vote for policies that actually are harmful to them in their day to day lives.
	I know, it's such a scam.
	It's a, what do you call it, a shell game.
	It's all just a trick.
	And the press was supposed to be the thing that keeps us, you know, the press is one of the pivotal parts of power, the executive branch.
	The Congress, the Senate, the judicial and the press, and they're all sold out and whored out too.
	We have no one to protect us.
	Here, I'll even give you an example.
	Great example.
	Why is it, so Watergate happened, right?
	And we knew about Watergate, how?
	Because of the Washington Post, right?
	The Washington Post exposed Watergate and told the world about what was going on.
	But today, the Washington Post was purchased by Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world.
	Should we be asking questions about that?
	What kind of conflict of interest is there when the richest man in the world buys a major media institution and we don't even ask questions about it?
	How can we trust their journalism on Amazon, on Whole Foods, on everything that Bezos is into, when they're owned by literally the richest corporate titan in the world?
	Think about that.
	Where was the consumer You know, whatever department or something, something to tell us what was happening to us.
	I think they get a big thrill from keeping us in the dark.
	And because I think they obviously think we're really stupid.
	And I think they laugh all the way to the bank.
	I think they're like, ah, we pulled another fast one over on the idiots.
	I really think that.
	It's gaslighting.
	It's complete gaslighting because they'll say, then they take it to the next level because when they say, if you listen to us, you're listening to the truth, but don't listen to anybody else because they might be Russian disinformation.
	They might be fake news.
	Fake news, that started on the media side, right?
	And so when people talk to me about politics, I don't even look at it as left versus right anymore.
	I look at it as- I don't either.
	Corporate versus independent as freedom versus, you know, being owned, right?
	You got to understand that's what is going on in our world right now.
	And if you're not paying attention to that and you're still talking about, you know, politics like it was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, then you're completely missing what's gone on in this country over the past three decades.
	And it ain't like that anymore, folks.
	It ain't like that.
	And they never tell us.
	There's never any reporting.
	There's never any reportage that tells us how these things unfolding in our country have anything to do on a global scale with other countries or how the things we choose or do affect other people and vice versa.
	They never give us a holistic view of how everything fits, because it does.
	But they never allow us that.
	Instead, they just allow us to think, That everything in the world in our purview is about one party's quest for power and another party fighting them.
	And that isn't at all what the world is about.
	It's not what our country is going through either.
	We're just being manipulated from top to bottom and lied to.
	It makes me so sick.
	No, it's disgusting.
	And if you go against these people, If you get on the wrong side of them, if they decide that you're a thorn to them, if you're an obstacle, if you're a challenge, the first thing they do is they threaten you.
	And then the next thing they do is they will weaponize their institutional power against you to destroy your reputation with false realities.
	They will launch false reality attacks.
	Right?
	They will distort and lie and smear, and they literally, they launch false realities at you.
	Oh, I know!
	You don't have to tell me!
	I've lived through it for the last almost four years, so you don't have to tell me.
	I see what they do.
	You know more than anyone in the country.
	You know more than anyone in the country.
	I really do, besides Trump and Flynn.
	You know, I think, you know, outside of the government, I'm sure I'm the The most well-versed in their tricks.
	And it's to cover the truth.
	They don't want any of us to know the truth, because the truth is really horrible, as you know.
	Did you watch that, what's it called?
	Thumbnail?
	That thing you've got?
	I don't know what that stuff is.
	The thing you've got, the stick that's got the Biden thing on it, that you held up?
	Oh that yeah I mean some of the stuff that's on there and I by the way I'm not talking about the you know the the photos and the videos he's got on there I'm not talking about that stuff right even aside from that what what to me is so sad is that the American people Don't see what's going on here.
	Why is a Ukrainian and Chinese energy interests hiring the son of our Vice President while he's in office?
	Why didn't he have any American companies that were hiring, you might ask, right?
	And you look at this and you say, what were they hiring in full?
	Sure.
	Was it his business acumen?
	Was he a finance wizard?
	No, it wasn't any of that stuff.
	They were hiring for access to his father.
	It is the only thing of value that he's ever had in his life.
	And by the way, and I would say this too, because I am a believer- But wasn't it just a big globalist thing?
	I mean, this is how it appears to me.
	It's another globalist scam thing.
	This shows you how to get the hooks in.
	This shows you how to get the hooks right in.
	They're not only selling our country lock, stock, and barrel.
	But now they think they can go to every other country and tear it apart and steal its resources and sell them to themselves.
	That's exactly right.
	How does this help the people of China?
	Hillary's brother ends up owning all the gold mines in Haiti.
	And so Joe Biden owns all the oil in the Ukraine and a part of it in China.
	I mean, they just think everything's for sale.
	They think, you know, you just go, so what if the people walk about?
	Oh, they're vultures.
	They're vultures is what they are.
	They're vultures.
	Yeah.
	It's vulture capitalism.
	We all know what vultures are.
	It's vulture capitalism.
	Globalism.
	Exactly.
	It's not about helping people.
	It's about picking.
	It's about when they see a wounded animal, when a vulture sees a wounded animal, they lend and they start picking out whatever carrion they can get for themselves.
	That's a vulture.
	That's what a vulture does.
	Yeah, when they see an earthquake or a tornado or hurricane, they're like, Cha-ching, there's going to be a lot of busted up houses.
	Exactly.
	They don't want to help people.
	They don't want to take care of people.
	They thrive off of chaos, off of social crisis.
	That's why they create social crises.
	That's why they manufacture social crises, because that is where they can get their hooks in.
	That's where they get all of this in.
	And look, I lived in China.
	I lived in China for two years.
	I don't know if you knew that.
	I did.
	I lived in Shanghai and, you know, really got to know the people.
	I learned the language, learned to speak the language.
	I had a great time.
	I had an absolute great time.
	But you also learn how controlled they are, how manipulated they are, how isolated they are from real information, from true information.
	And that's because of communism.
	And that was about over 10 years ago.
	And I never thought that that same type of censorship of the internet and that same type of control of information would happen in my own country, right?
	So I was over there saying, oh my gosh, you can't access YouTube.
	You couldn't access YouTube in China.
	You couldn't access YouTube.
	I know that.
	I couldn't either use a VPN.
	I also know that Google turned in many dissidents over in China, and they disappeared off the face of the earth, our Google.
	And what they're doing in Hong Kong right now, because the people of Hong Kong, and my heart goes out to them so much, because they're fighting for freedom, because they never were communists before, right?
	They were always free, and mainland China was communist.
	So there's mainland China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.
	And Hong Kong and Taiwan were free.
	They were, they always had their freedom.
	But now in Hong Kong and we see what's happening.
	We see that they're losing their freedom.
	And you see, and the world can see it.
	The world can see them fighting tooth and nail for their freedom because they know what they're losing.
	And look, I'm Polish background, right?
	You know, and our, our, wiped off the face of the earth for over 120 years.
	From the Germans and the Russians coming in.
	And so we know what it's like.
	We know what it's like to lose everything and to have to hold on to everything you hold dear because that's all you have left.
	Family came, but it was because there wasn't even a Poland, right?
	They were actually in the part where it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
	And it wasn't until later.
	But then, of course, World War II happened and the Soviet Union happened.
	So, you go to people who see Poland today and say, why are the Polish people so patriotic?
	They're almost militantly patriotic because they know what it's like to lose their freedom.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, and I guess the first step towards that is a controlled press.
	And boy, we're seeing it here.
	And not that many people are even aware that it's happening, are they?
	Well, and that's why they try so hard to shut down independent voices.
	That's why they tried so hard to shut down your voice.
	That's why they tried so hard to shut down social media.
	That was the problem.
	Because with social media, it got too big too fast, and it let people talk to one another.
	They lost their ability to gatekeep the narrative.
	They were not able to control the narrative anymore because now I can see, I can go on my phone right now, I can go on my phone right now and I can tell you what's going on in Michigan, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, Western Pennsylvania, I can tell you what's going on in Texas, any part of the world, you can go right there, you can go there right now and I don't need a media organization to tell me what's going on because I can see it with my own two eyes.
	And so the problem I created for those people who want to control those false realities and have maintained their grip on what people believe is true and what people think about the rest of the world is now people have the ability to literally, I mean, it's like the cliche, right?
	Talk amongst yourselves, right?
	Well, now people can talk amongst themselves.
	Now because of that social interactivity, the social networking, now you run into, it's essentially a global hive mind.
	And so there's problems with that.
	And we're still dealing with a lot of the frictions of that, because those in power were not expecting this to happen.
	People are coming together in ways that they never saw happening.
	Movements are coming out starting around the world that they never saw happening.
	Elections are going in ways that they never thought were possible because so much is being exposed.
	This is where, and like take it out of politics, right?
	This is where people don't realize that a lot of what Bernie Sanders was saying and a lot about what Donald Trump were saying were actually the same thing.
	They were actually the same thing.
	I know, I kept saying that.
	I know, I kept saying that.
	They absolutely are.
	And I saw that for a long, long time, but boy, they went out of their way to distort What both of those people were saying.
	That's why I was hoping that Bernie would be the candidate of the Democrats so that we could see a real debate between the two.
	Between Trump and Bernie.
	Because I wanted America to see what the real issues were about.
	The economics of the real issues.
	And I thought that those two candidates would bring it very clearly to us.
	But, you know, they couldn't let that happen.
	The Democrats couldn't let Bernie win.
	Clearly he's the winner.
	And what they did to him was very unfair.
	What they treated him very unfairly.
	Twice in a row.
	Twice.
	I never saw somebody lose like Bernie Sanders does.
	I never saw somebody lose like that guy because he just goes down.
	But, you know, what they did to him and it was so sad.
	It's so sad.
	You can't blame him.
	I don't know.
	But, you know, he did I would still love to see that debate carried on in front of the American audience.
	Well, I'd love to see a conversation, like a real conversation between, you know, the people who are Bernie supporters and the people who are sort of those core Trump supporters, because that's populism, right?
	That's, that's populism.
	- It certainly is. - And one's on the left and one's on the right, but we're still on mainstream. - Now I had, when I had my talk show in 1998 or nine, I had a Michael Moore and Donald Trump on, and it's on YouTube.
	You guys can find it.
	I've seen this video.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	And so we did that exact thing.
	We discussed, you know, the economics of, you know, Trump populism and socialist populism.
	And I was, you know, that's why I fell in love with Trump then because he kicked Michael Moore's socialist theology, you know, Dogma.
	He kicked him in the butt with that.
	And I told him, you ought to run for president.
	Yeah, I was always kind of hoping he would.
	Because, you know, he's just straight up down the middle solutions.
	Not the Sturm and Drang and drama of, you know, politics.
	But actual solutions for the people.
	That's the new way it's going to be.
	That's why the Bushes and the Romneys and the McCains, that's why they never liked Trump.
	That's why they don't like him because he's not one of them.
	He ain't one of them.
	He's not like this country club, blue blood type.
	He does own his own country clubs, but you know what I mean, right?
	He's not from one of these dynasties, right?
	He's a guy who just looks at it from, you know, from a business perspective and, you know, right or wrong, I just think he looks at these issues a little bit differently and says, how can we do something that actually helps people instead of, you know, going into one of these things with, you know, and by the way, Michael Moore, like I'll give Michael Moore a lot of credit because I think some of his early films are fantastic.
	I think his very first film, Roger and Me, was wonderful.
	It was excellent.
	Such a good movie.
	And that guy, that's a guy who, you know, his politics aren't my politics, but you can tell where he's coming from and you can tell that there was one point in his career Where he was in it for the right reasons, and he was in it for helping the little guy.
	And I appreciate that so much.
	And his movies are very entertaining.
	They're absolutely entertaining.
	And he exposed the Bush family in 2004, and he was exposing big corporations for a very, very, very long time.
	And I think his ability to do that, and you look at the tactics that Michael Moore used to do, right?
	And everybody does it now.
	When Michael Moore, he's the guy who started that whole idea of bring a camera down, Right.
	Bring a camera down to the Capitol building, find the congressman that you're trying to get a comment out of and stick it in their face!
	Just stick it right in their face, right?
	That's what Roger and me was, right?
	You use the power of the media.
	That in and of itself is a very, very powerful tactic.
	It's very, very powerful journalism.
	I wish that Michael Moore would go back to that, honestly, because I think he was really good at it.
	Yeah, he kind of got in with the whole corporate notion.
	I don't know why.
	I'm going to have a discussion with him again someday.
	Well, he became a very wealthy man, and then some things changed, I guess.
	Some people say, oh, come on, Roseanne, he's a sleeper, but I don't know.
	I just don't know how he can stand there on the same side as Bush now, because Bush loves Biden.
	And so does Michael Moore.
	It's kind of weird, isn't it?
	It's kind of weird to see the way things are lined up.
	How can you have the Bushes and the Bidens and all the Iraq War people and all the Afghanistan people?
	And look, I'm a U.S.
	Navy veteran, right?
	And I respect everybody's service, but my best friend has been to Afghanistan four times.
	And I don't know why he has to keep going there.
	I really don't know why.
	Because every time he's there, you know, I get a phone call every once in a while and I say, you know, I hope you're okay.
	I hope you're okay.
	Why does he have to keep going to Afghanistan?
	What over there is so important for the United States of America, for my best friend to have to be there in that place, halfway around the world, right?
	I don't see it.
	I just, I don't see why it's that important.
	I'm not saying that we shouldn't, and by the way, people say, oh, you just want to be- I know.
	They'll say, oh, you just want to be an isolationist.
	I didn't say that.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, I love that Trump is bringing our troops home.
	I love that Trump is making an active effort to bring our troops home.
	And he says they'll be home for Christmas true.
	But can you believe that in this day and age, when he says he's making peace and he is creating peace all over the Middle East and all over the world and bringing our troops home, that the left would be up in arms about peace and bringing that the left would be up in arms about peace and bringing our They hate that.
	That to me is so confusing because I remember when I was in college, so I was in college in the 2000s, right, during Iraq War, and I remember it was the Democrats, it was the left that was anti-war, right?
	That was Code Pink, that was Cindy Sheehan, that was all the people that were, to be anti-Bush meant you were anti-war, right?
	And Michael Moore and all the rest.
	I thought I did.
	So how can you go and be a Democrat?
	And then Vietnam, right?
	Vietnam was the same way.
	It was the left.
	It was Vietnam that took down, it was the left that took down Johnson.
	That's why he couldn't run again, because it was the left that was the protest and it was the anti-war.
	So how can you have those same people now, that same, the same left?
	When you go to their countries, most people, you know, most Americans, Couldn't even find on a map, because why should you?
	How does that help you get a job?
	How does that help you put food on the table?
	How does that help you get medicine for your family?
	How does that help you, you know, if you do happen to have an addict in your family, like Hunter Biden, that needs treatment, right?
	That doesn't help you.
	That's just more stress.
	Well, what do you think is the most important thing on those tapes that you've listened to and the information that you have access to?
	What do you think is the most important thing that Americans should know and don't know?
	The most important thing?
	The most, I mean, honestly, the one that I've seen and heard, and I haven't listened to all the tapes yet because there's a lot.
	This guy, I mean, he is a paranoid guy.
	He's a paranoid guy.
	Well, he's on drugs.
	Yes, and he is someone who's clearly an addict who, look man, you got somebody in your life like that, And I don't understand how you don't make them your priority and how you say, we're going to get you the help you need.
	We're going to get you into a program.
	We're going to do, I mean, they clearly have the money for it.
	I just, I don't understand why, if this is someone, if it's your son, you know, I've got, you know, I've got a son, he's two years old and I would do anything for him.
	I would do, I would literally, even now I know I would do anything for my son.
	Anything it took to make his life better, to make him healthier, to make him happier, I would do anything.
	I'm getting a little choked up talking about it, right?
	We got another one on the way here.
	And I know, right?
	Yeah, it's going to be December, a little Christmas baby coming.
	Can I crash in for one second, Jack?
	Can you please just answer this question for me on record?
	Sorry, mom.
	This laptop, these emails, everything that they're claiming is Russian disinfo, it is verified, yes?
	Yeah, it's verified.
	It's 100%.
	So I could tell you, right?
	So The Daily Caller did an excellent investigation.
	They went to a forensic analyst who actually, they have a copy of the hard drive, they went to a forensic analyst, completely independent, turned it over to them and said, here, you tell us one way or the other.
	Yeah.
	Guy looks at it, runs it through the entire thing and says, this is 100%.
	Right.
	These are real emails.
	By the way, the audio files in the video clearly 100%.
	There's no question.
	It's 100%.
	By the way, none of them has even denied it.
	None of them will even say it's not Hunter Biden, right?
	It's just people in media will say that, but listen very closely because I've become a student of how to sort of like read between the lines on these guys and you notice that there's no prominent like politician that has come forward to say that it's fake, right?
	No one will come forward and say it's fake.
	They'll say it's a smear Which is different from saying fake.
	Because what is a smear when it comes out?
	It was a smear.
	Was it fake?
	Is it real?
	Is it not real?
	Is it a distortion?
	What does it mean?
	It's kind of a vague word when you think about it.
	So the fact that they won't really everything you need to know right there, then plus the additional verification of this forensic analysis and the fact that, look, you've got business associates coming forward.
	I flew to Chicago to get access to the email records of one of his business associates, Bevan Cooney.
	Right.
	Oh my God.
	gave us, essentially me and this other journalist, he gave us access to his Gmail account.
	He said, here's, 'cause he's in jail.
	He's locked up for one of their other schemes.
	They were defrauding a Native American tribe.
	They were defrauding a Native American tribe in one of these tribal bonds.
	They had tribal bonds. - Oh my God. - And this was a guy, they were.
	They were defrauding Native American.
	And this was after the dad had left office.
	So he wasn't VP anymore.
	So they start getting into riskier and riskier ventures.
	And so they started to go to this Native American tribe and they said, and you know what they said?
	They said, the only reason we signed the deal is because we thought we could trust the Bidens.
	We thought we could trust the Bidens.
	That's the name.
	I mean, you think about, I think about the history, right?
	You think about the history of Native American tribes trusting and like, I mean, terrific.
	Absolutely terrific.
	And so this guy, though, he got put behind bars.
	Honor Gates, of course, Honor Gates, because nothing ever bad happens to him.
	But this guy goes behind bars and he said, look, I took the fall for this.
	Well, you know what?
	I still got access to my email, so why don't I give that to journalists?
	And that's what he did.
	So we've got a whole other set of emails that aren't even from the hard drive confirming it.
	And then we got Bobulinski, the other Polish, I call him a Polish hussar, we're the Polish hussars.
	You know, I'm Polish, he's Polish.
	That we've got so many people now coming forward and confirming all of it.
	And he's saying, look, I thought we were doing an investment deal.
	He said, I'm a serious businessman.
	I do deals all the time.
	I'm an investor.
	I'm in finance.
	But what these guys were doing was not finance.
	And there were millions of dollars that was going to this family behind the scenes.
	And he realized what was going on, that they were using his good name To get into one of these, you know, funny money deals and from the Chinese, from the Chinese, right?
	You know which one you like?
	I saw a tweet.
	The guy said, Hunter Biden is just a shell for Joe Biden.
	He's a shell company for Joe Biden.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	Well, what was the whole thing besides the fact that I guess Hunter and his dad were working for a big Chinese spy?
	I mean, But so is Feinstein, right?
	I mean, who's working for China against the United States?
	It kind of lays that out, doesn't it?
	It does.
	And you really have to start asking the question is, when your family is receiving that much financial benefit from your ties to a foreign country that, you know, like China, that's clearly an adversary country, then the country...
	They have missiles pointed at us.
	They have missiles pointed, look, I was deployed to Guam many times, I was deployed to Okinawa many times, and I can guarantee you the Chinese have missiles pointed right at all the Americans there.
	They have missiles pointed at Taiwan, at the free island of Taiwan.
	They have missiles pointed at Japan every single day.
	These are our allies, South Korea.
	And so the question then becomes is, why were you working with them?
	What, you couldn't work for a company in the United States or like something like that?
	Why do you think, Jack, as a journalist, let me ask for your journalistic opinion.
	Why do you think they were working with China and not anyone in the United States for their business ventures?
	Especially with oil.
	I'm going to put on my journalist hat here or even my China analyst hat on because I did, you know, I've been working with China for almost 15 years now, is that when it comes to China, the way the Communist Party works is it's almost like a gang, right?
	It's almost like a gang.
	And that actually goes back to their history because the Chinese Communist Party very early on, when they were when they were building up and working to take over china they made deals with the triads and the triads are the gangs in china right there like the cartels and so the triad culture really kind of went into the ccp went into the communist party and so when they bring somebody in they did that in russia too they did the exact same thing in russia so It's called blotnoy.
	In Russia, it's blotnoy.
	In Chinese, it's triad or guanxi.
	But same idea, blotnoy, guanxi, it's all the same stuff.
	It's all the same stuff.
	So it's, they don't, you know, bribery in the West or getting someone to do a deal for you, it's like you bribe a congressman because you want, you know, so the lobbyist gives $10,000 to the campaign and now you get, you know, some environmental regulation that you want put in or you want taken off, right?
	That's bribery in the US.
	The bribery over there is, hey, we're going to bring your family in, and your family is going to become our family, and now we are family.
	We become family together, right?
	So you're building, it's all relationship-based, it's network-based, and it's in China specifically, they use this term called 关系.
	Guanxi.
	And so Guanxi, it's like a relationship, a connection, a family connection.
	It's very deep.
	So if you have good Guanxi with somebody, that means now you're in deeper and deeper with them.
	And that's the type of relationship that you see being built between the Bidens and the Communist Party.
	Along with many of these other organizations and oligarchs really, foreign oligarchs.
	And the only reason that they would have to do that is for influence inside the United States of America.
	It is the sole reason that any of these outlets or outfits would do this.
	There's no financial benefit there.
	They could probably find a Chinese guy to do that for far less than a Biden, but you're hiring Biden for the name.
	For the name, for access, and so we already don't know.
	Let me tell you something.
	If you think that, as Biden says, the spy chief of China was only interested in him for his business analysis that I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, buddy.
	That's not what the spy chief is there.
	He's there to spy on you because that's his job, because he's going back to Beijing and Zhongnanhai, which is their Kremlin.
	To tell them what's going on in the United States, what's going on inside the U.S.
	White House, and potentially to get their interests pushed in Washington, D.C.
	It's a feeding frenzy in this situation.
	Such as buying up all the ports, right?
	Like the Seattle port and the... Buying the ports is a big one, that's right.
	That's absolutely correct.
	How did Joe Biden help that happen, that we actually sold our ports, our American ports, to China?
	Was he involved in helping that happen?
	Didn't it happen during the Obama administration?
	You know, I would have to actually look that one up specifically.
	I don't have that right in front of me.
	But I can tell you that during the Obama administration, one major thing that the Chinese were able to take control of almost completely is the Panama Canal.
	The Panama Canal, which is one of the most important commercial shipping logistics, we would call them, you know, bottlenecks.
	in the Navy or choke points there.
	That's the, one of the most strategic commercial waterways in the entire Western hemisphere.
	The Chinese own just about every company that operates that, those locks that operates that canal.
	And that's something that used to be a part of a special relationship between the United States and Panama.
	They want to shut that down.
	They could shut us up. - Didn't Jimmy Carter give that to him or walk away from it or something? - He did.
	And so the idea was that it was gonna be a 99 year, you know, lease from Panama, but then Carter gave that up.
	But what Carter did more specifically in terms of China was that he changed the recognition.
	So China had the communist revolution, but Taiwan always stayed a republic.
	They always stayed a free country.
	And so we used to recognize Taiwan as the rightful government of China.
	And even when Nixon and Kissinger went to China and started to warm the relations there, They never gave them formal recognition.
	They still recognized Taiwan.
	Excuse me.
	Oh, no, I said that right.
	They still recognized Taiwan.
	But it was Carter who switched it, and by switching it, that set the stage for China's rise.
	That meant that now the seat for China on the United Nations Security Council became Chinese, it went to Beijing rather than Taiwan.
	So it went to the communists, is the way to look at it.
	Right.
	So Carter gave that over to the communists.
	The rest of it went full communist.
	That was the start of the buildup with Beijing.
	So Chairman Mao has died at this point.
	Deng Xiaoping has come in.
	And what happened 10 years after that?
	10 years after that was Tiananmen Square.
	They promised us that they would play better.
	They said, we're going to play nice.
	Chairman Mao's gone.
	He's not here anymore.
	Don't worry.
	We're going to open up.
	We're going to be a good country.
	We're going to treat our people right.
	And then you did Tiananmen Square 10 years later.
	And how did we respond to Tiananmen Square?
	How did the United States respond to Tiananmen Square?
	We let China into the World Trade Organization.
	Ten years after that, we let him into the World Trade Organization.
	Why?
	Because of money.
	Because there's so many people in this country, the elite class in this country, they look to China.
	And look, I was there.
	I was working in the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai when I was in my 20s.
	Look at China as two things.
	Look at it as a market where they can sell their goods to potentially, you know, 1.5 billion people.
	And they look at it as a place where their goods can be as cheap labor, right?
	Where their goods can be manufactured very cheaply.
	And then so the wealth goes into their pocket and it completely bypasses, the wealth bypasses the American worker and the American family.
	And so when that wealth... They also look at it as...
	They also look at it as a huge population of docile workers that will work, you know, that have no choice but to work for, you know, little more than slight wages.
	That's a, that's a yahoo for those people.
	That's right.
	And that's, that's, that's all they're looking for at the, at the end, you know, and this is, we talked about vulture capitalism, right?
	This is where, and then you had a political class that went right along with it, because in some cases they're getting the campaign donations.
	but in other and it's quite extreme it's quite extreme where now you've got family members of these politicians u.s politicians that are working for companies literally in other countries foreign countries think about that right you know imagine like i know it's kind of like almost cliche but imagine we hear donald trump jr signs a deal to be on the board of vladimir putin's gas company right
	it's exactly that imagine what would happen exactly that uh it would be It's exactly that.
	For one thing, it would be on the news 24-7 and everyone would be beyond outraged, but it's just all this one party that will do anything in pursuit of keeping its own power.
	That's all they care about.
	They don't care about their constituents or the country or anything else.
	They don't even I don't even know why they're representing anything to do with America.
	They represent nothing for the American people.
	I always think of the Declaration of Independence when in the course of human events, you know, it is that time.
	We're not giving our consent to a government.
	I mean, we need to really rethink giving our consent to a government built on our destruction.
	Well, that's why there is a populist movement now in America, right?
	That's why.
	Because once we got access to the internet and we started sharing stories and comparing notes and finding out what was going on and the democratization of information that's gone on, it completely exposed what was going on.
	It completely exposed what was going on.
	And then we realized that, you know what?
	It's not just us who think this way.
	There's actually a whole lot of us.
	There's millions and millions of us who think this way and say, you know what?
	Maybe we've had a little bit too much of this globalization.
	Maybe it's time for a little bit more Americanization.
	And it's just the idea of normal people kind of standing up.
	It's just power.
	When power is spread thin, it has to be consolidated.
	And when it's too consolidated, then it has to be decentralized.
	Those are just the modes it goes in.
	But now it's like beyond.
	Oh yeah, it's like, you know, beyond centralized now.
	They don't want to let it go so they can be dispersed with, you know, because then it takes all of their hoarded wealth.
	They're really sick and we've allowed them to be sick.
	Like it's a whole, a whole class of, of, uh, And this is what people need to understand.
	Do you think Hunter Biden is the only one out there like this?
	In this system?
	That's what people need to understand.
	Do you think Hunter Biden is the only one out there like this in this system?
	This is he's just one guy.
	I feel for him.
	I pray for Hunter Biden's soul.
	I pray for his soul.
	I do.
	You can tell this is a troubled guy because I really do believe, and this might be me, I might be looking into this too much, but I really do believe that underneath all of it, the reason for his pain is that he does still have a conscience.
	It's in there.
	I think so too.
	And I think, I think this whole thing is, I think that he's confessing because I think that he, He's trying to repent and get right with God.
	You know, a lot of people have said that.
	A lot of people have said that.
	I think he's like, okay, here, I got to let it go.
	I can't live sick like this anymore.
	I can't be part of it, you know?
	And that's what it'll take.
	Five of those guys on that level just going, I can't put up with this anymore.
	I got to take care of my soul for once.
	I hope he does.
	I hope he does for his own sake.
	He seems to have, you know, he's got three daughters of his own, and then he's got two more kids, and they seem to be wonderful people.
	There's a guy who's got a lot to live for, right?
	If you get clean, and if you start putting your best foot forward, just walk away, man.
	Hunter Biden, if you're watching this right now, you don't have to live in your father's shadow anymore.
	You don't have to do this.
	You can walk away.
	You can throw your phone in the river and just walk away.
	You can be the biggest hero, too.
	All we want is the truth.
	And, you know, as big and deep and horrible as it gets, and a lot of us suspect how deep and horrible it is, but you could be the hero of all the human beings and rejoin the human race.
	That's your way out.
	That's your way out.
	You want redemption, Hunter Biden?
	You want that redemption arc of the story, right?
	The hero's journey?
	That's right.
	Come forward.
	Come forward and tell everyone the truth.
	Right.
	Just expose all of them.
	Think about that, right?
	Think about the amount of power that you could have.
	Think about the movies that would be written about you, the TV series, the books that would be written.
	You'd be a hero.
	Everybody would remember that he was the man who exposed it all.
	We've already got the documents, so there's nothing to hide, right?
	We can see it, but you can walk us through this stuff.
	Yeah, we're going to find out anyone.
	The same way Bobulinski did when he went on TV the other night.
	Hunter, you could do that in front of the American people.
	You could come forward and say, you know what?
	Nobody wants to live like this.
	I don't want you to live like this.
	Right?
	I saw that he, you know, you can tell he likes music.
	It's such a horrible deal with the devil.
	And to have your soul completely compromised by the devil himself.
	That would be a hell to live with, with any flickering or any spark of conscience left at all.
	That would be a horrible battle to be fighting.
	That's what's going on and you hear in some of these tapes and some of this stuff that it's just him talking to himself and it's him talking to himself about pain.
	It's him talking to himself about loss and he's driving around recording his own thoughts in this.
	I hear a guy who's asking for help when I listen to that stuff, and I hear a guy who's asking for help, and I hope that he gets it, and I want him to have that help, and I want him to be able to walk away from this demonism, to walk away from this pain and this anger and living with that, because you don't have to.
	You don't have to.
	You went through it.
	You say you've been sober for a number of years, so you know what you're talking about, right?
	I'm 15 years sober myself.
	I'm 15 years sober.
	And, you know, not to get into everything, but, you know, I got to a point... But did you find yourself terribly compromised where you couldn't go down another step on that road?
	That's how I felt.
	Yeah.
	That's how I felt.
	If I took one more step down that road, then I would not be the kind of person that I want to be.
	Yeah.
	And I turned around.
	I turned around.
	I said, God, if you get me out of this situation, I'm going to turn completely around.
	I'm never going to look back.
	Yeah.
	And that's 15 years.
	15 years this year, actually.
	15 years in a month, actually.
	I said, I'm never going to look back.
	I think a lot of us have done that.
	A lot of us have had that dark night of the soul.
	So what can you tell us about Hunter Biden's tapes that might inspire Hunter Biden to go out of hell with it?
	I'm going for the white.
	I mean, Hunter, it's all here, right?
	And I'll say a good 90% of this stuff is family drama.
	This one said this, and the uncle said that, and the dad said this, and here's the cousin, and someone's mad at someone else.
	Well, aren't they trying to cover up?
	Aren't they trying to cover up his kind of...
	There are some text messages that are concerning in that, and I'm not going to confirm that because I don't have the right kind of tools.
	I don't have the kind of training.
	I'm just going on the text.
	I saw where they're saying we all need to get together and discuss this and get our story straight.
	There's clearly a concern about inappropriate behavior.
	There's clearly a concern about inappropriate behavior, but to me, someone who hasn't worked in that field specifically, I'll tell you how much I've worked in China.
	I've done some counterterrorism work.
	I was at Guantanamo Bay for a year.
	I've been in politics.
	I would feel out of my depth to say that I knew what that meant, but I will say that I've heard other people that have looked at that stuff and said that they aren't sure that children would be safe in this situation.
	When you have someone like that who's living on the edge that much with kids around, you've got to be worried about those kids, especially if this is someone who's the head of a household.
	Right.
	So with the drug use and everything else that's going on, if there's children involved, if there's people who are underage, we have a strong amount of laws in this country that deal with that.
	And in many cases, of course, in one of those situations, it's actually the grandparents who get involved because the grandparents aren't They can see it, but they're not directly in it themselves.
	And so in many of those cases, it actually is the grandparents that kind of blow the whistle.
	They pick up the phone and call the right people.
	And so what you see in the text messages is a A desire to incriminate one another.
	You see Hunter saying, that's a lie.
	This is a lie.
	Everyone's a liar, right?
	To Hunter, everyone's a liar.
	The world's against him.
	He's paranoid.
	He's constantly paranoid.
	And by the way, if you're someone who's in that family, I hope you know this, but Hunter Biden is getting into your phones.
	He's getting into your text messages, your Facebooks.
	He tries to keep track of people, their physical locations.
	And this is typical addict behavior, by the way.
	This is classic textbook addict behavior, to be paranoid.
	Well, it's also the behavior of a person who's supposed to be the rescuer in a real sick family.
	That's what it reminds me of.
	He's been put in the position where he says, I've supported this family for the last 30 years and I won't I won't ask you to give me half of what you make like dad asked me, you know, that that text.
	And so it's like somebody who's been cast in a real sick family as the rescuer and he can't get free of it because he's like he feels like he's responsible to support so many people and that he's trapped in this in this terrible system that, you know, is dependent on him.
	Keep on doing, you know, all the dirty work to keep the money coming in.
	So that'd be like a double bind on him.
	There actually is some audio that we do have and we're working on isolating it and being able to get that out where he actually talks about that.
	He says, do you understand what it's like to have the pressure of the expectations that are set on me?
	The expectations.
	Who's setting those expectations on him?
	Who's setting those expectations?
	I think it's his dad.
	Right?
	I think it's his dad and his whole family.
	Who is it that's pushing on him like that?
	I'd like to know.
	I think it's his whole family.
	They want that money.
	They want to live the way they want to live and how else are they going to do it?
	they want to live and you know how else are they going to do it he has to go he's the bag man and he has to go do it i mean you look at some of the some of the homes this family owns on some of the the the wealth that they've been able to accumulate over the years that their father's been in office the 47 years they've done very well for themselves They've done so well for themselves.
	The Biden family, Just in terms of money, some beautiful homes, luxury cars, the whole nine yards.
	And I actually said this kind of jokingly, but it's a little political, I guess.
	But I say, when I look at the Trumps, I can walk into a Trump hotel, I can go to a Trump golf course, I know how they made their money.
	I know how they did, because you can go there, you can see the people they put to work.
	Where did the Bidens get all this money?
	Where'd that all come from?
	Well, it came from us.
	But you know, to be real fair, he's certainly not the only politician in our government that's gotten rich being a servant of us while we get poorer and poorer and our servant keeps getting richer and richer.
	I mean, look at the houses members of Congress live in on this salary that we pay them.
	So they're all cutting side deals.
	Didn't they make it legal in Congress for them to do insider trading while they sent Martha Stewart to prison?
	I mean, it's just so corrupt.
	I don't know.
	When Donald Trump talks about draining the swamp, you know, my one friend, he says, you know, we should get everybody out and just get rid of the whole D.C.
	because it can't be fixed.
	So it is so fixed.
	I live near D.C.
	I should say.
	I live in the D.C.
	area and I work in D.C.
	and you wouldn't believe that people in this town don't understand what it's like out there in the rest of the country.
	They don't understand how they're viewed by the rest of the country.
	It's like, you know, and I know this is a silly comparison, but it's like when you're in, if you ever remember that movie, The Hunger Games, you ever see Hunger Games?
	Oh yeah.
	Remember they had the Capitol and that was like the elites.
	I saw that picture of Joe Biden the other day with everyone's in the circles and the chairs and it said, this looks like a sci-fi movie from out of the Hunger Games when the elites are having their little banquet dinner and then you go out into the rest of the country and you got businesses, small businesses that are completely going under.
	in this country right now.
	You've got workers that aren't getting the relief they need.
	Then you've got riots.
	You've got anarchism.
	You've got people that are upset.
	You've got all sorts of this unrest throughout the country.
	But here in Washington, D.C., these guys don't see it.
	They just walk away.
	They just walk away from them.
	They say, oh, the people are upset about something or other again.
	Let's go down to some private island for the weekend and get out of town while the rabble are so upset.
	Put up the planks in front of the windows.
	We'll be fine when we come back.
	Because it doesn't affect them, right?
	It doesn't affect them.
	So it just kind of reminds me of The Hunger Games.
	And then Trump is kind of like, he's like the guy who's out in the districts, like actually talking to people, while the people here in D.C., the people here, there's different enclaves, Silicon Valley, etc.
	L.A.
	is another one of those sort of power hubs in the United States.
	They're not affected.
	They're not affected by this.
	They say, you know, the people that are living in Manhattan, they say, oh, they just rent a house in, uh, you know, in the Hampton.
	So they leave their condo because their condo is worth nothing now.
	And they go out to that house.
	What about the people who can't afford to do that?
	What happens to them?
	We don't, we don't got it.
	You can, you can go fight in the, uh, you can go fight in the tournament and for our amusement, right?
	That's, that's what you do.
	Exactly.
	It's so that it's sickening.
	It's just sickening.
	It's, uh, and their level of arrogance.
	It's just sickening.
	Everybody, you know, I know they don't know, but we hate them.
	We hate both of them, both parties of them.
	Yeah, there's such a level of anger in this country.
	There's such a level of anger and frustration about what's going on.
	There's such an anger about the lies.
	There's such an anger about the failed promises.
	You know, the idea that, you know, so many people, when I talk to Trump supporters and, you know, a lot of people will say, you know, I say, why do you like Trump?
	And I try to interview people when I go to these rallies and these events.
	And one of the first things that I hear is that the man does what he says.
	What's interesting to me about the way they respond to that is, it's not necessarily that they're saying they agree with what he said, but just the simple fact that you can take that man at his word, that he makes a promise and then he keeps it, is so completely different from the broken trust that every uh citizen of this country many citizens this country have for the political class that it's such a breath of fresh air that here's a guy who you know
	he has that line he says now he said if i don't sound like a politician is because i'm not a politician right you know and it's it's it's true though that people are sick of hearing and this was something where you saw it at the second about using the term political class i had this conversation with somebody else not long ago and i said well to be to if words are going to mean something we have to be really uh succinct in our use of them and
	And it would be better to define it as a prostitute class.
	Because they're not political at all.
	They only do things for money.
	What's the old line?
	They say, politics is the second oldest profession and it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
	Yeah, but I mean, they're just hired people who, you know, they're hired by big money to do big money's business.
	And that's right.
	That's absolutely right.
	They're not political.
	I mean, look at how many Republicans are really Democrats.
	You know, they call them rhinos.
	But, you know, they're not really political at all.
	It's just go where the... Would a Democrat name only be a dino?
	You never hear anyone say dino, do you?
	You said diner?
	Okay, yeah diners.
	But of course there's no such thing as Democrat in name only.
	although I guess you'd just say communist. - Well, you know, and that's something where like, so my wife, for example, she was born in the Soviet Union.
	She's an immigrant and she was able to get into the United States legally, of course, got her citizenship, worked her way up.
	And, you know, when you talk to immigrants From these socialist countries or former socialist countries, right?
	They make some of the best Americans, right?
	They make some of the absolute best Americans because they know what it's like and they come here for opportunity, right?
	They come here to say, finally, I have a chance to work and to earn, right?
	Or excuse me, to keep what I earned, right?
	And that's a completely different proposition than you have in socialism.
	Also, they come here for a free press or what's left of it.
	They come here because we had a relatively free press and because we had the right to free speech and because we had the right to freedom of religion.
	All these things are on the ballot now, stunningly.
	I honestly do think that whatever happens, and I don't want to get into predictions too much because we are the Friday before election, and I appreciate you not asking me that, but I'll put me on the spot, but I do think it's going to be close.
	I think it's going to be close either way.
	I think anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen right now They're fooling themselves.
	They're either a fool or they're fooling themselves.
	Because you've got a guy who's leading a populist movement, but you've also got, as we've just detailed over the past hour, you've got so much big money.
	That's pulling against him.
	You've got so much big money that's pulling against him.
	And so that is really the question, right?
	That's the question is, where are we?
	But here's the thing that I can tell you, because nobody's asked about this, they say, what happens after?
	Well, I'll tell you what, if Trump doesn't win, none of this stuff that we're talking about is going to change, right?
	It's going to go back to the way it was.
	And so those frustrations and that social pressure and that angst, that anxiety, that sort of the haves versus the have-nots, the people that are locked out of their jobs versus the people who have recession-proof jobs, all of that is going to remain the same.
	And those social pressures are still going to be there.
	If you don't get it out with Donald Trump, if he ends up not being the guy for whatever reason to do that, then something is going to come down the line because social pressure is real.
	Human nature is real.
	It is immutable.
	You cannot change it.
	It's been unchanging since biblical times.
	You can read the Bible and you see people back then were just the same way they are now, right?
	And so it's just this Thomas Hobbes.
	Thomas Hobbes always wins in the end.
	He always wins.
	And so those pressures are not going to go away.
	And so what that looks like, I don't know, but I do know that a relief valve will need to happen at some point down the line.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what's going to happen either.
	I'm just witnessing.
	I think that's what we're called to witness right now because it's so important.
	And in order to witness, you have to have facts so that you can make a judgment.
	And so many people are watching, but they're not able to witness because they're not informed enough to witness.
	I don't necessarily hold that against people a lot of the time too because this stuff, man, I didn't want to have to get into this stuff in my life.
	I didn't want to even get into politics.
	I didn't like politics.
	I think it's kind of boring.
	But when you see what's going on, I get so frustrated.
	About the lies, and I would get so frustrated about people being sold out.
	I would get so frustrated seeing my friends being sent to parts of the world that have nothing to do with protecting their families.
	They joined the military, protect your family, right?
	It's a pretty strong selling theory, and yet they get sent somewhere that has nothing to do with their family, and then somebody dies.
	And when they're gone, another family has lost that person.
	And for what?
	That means our country has lost that person.
	That means that community has lost that person, that person who was a hero, right?
	Wouldn't it be better to have that hero here in our community, building our country, building our families, building our communities?
	Wouldn't it be better to have that hero around?
	I think the fabric of our social agreement with each other has just been ripped apart out from under us.
	I think it's going to take a long time to weave it back together and re-string it, and I don't see anything that's helping that to happen.
	Well, I'll tell you what though, I think...
	My big thing, though, is is is that, you know, we have the ability to talk to each other now in ways that we look at.
	Look at me.
	I'm like, come on.
	Yeah.
	Well, that is the only hope I think we have is that we can speak to each other.
	It's it's it's we have each other and we have God.
	Right.
	And that's very strong.
	I think that's very strong.
	And we have truth.
	So let's add number three.
	We have truth.
	We do have the benefit of having truth on our side.
	And those are very strong.
	And there will be strong winds.
	What do you think is the scariest?
	I keep wanting you to, I want to nail you down on this.
	What's the scariest part of the whole Biden-China tapes thing?
	What's the big, I mean, Why are they trying to cover it up so badly, so incredibly desperately?
	What do they not want us to know that we should know?
	Okay, that part's easy.
	They want to cover this up, not because they don't care about Hunter Biden, and to an extent, they don't care about Joe Biden as much.
	It's because it's their emails to Hunter Biden, because they didn't realize that Hunter Biden was saving all this information on them.
	They didn't realize that Hunter Biden was saving text messages and screenshots and audio files and emails for years that he's had, right?
	They're all in this thing.
	And the minute you start unraveling some of this stuff, you can see where all, you know, they always say follow the money, right?
	Well, it's not easy to follow the money, actually.
	It's hard to follow the money, especially when you don't have You know, I'm here doing this independently as, you know, prior to when I was in the intelligence community, we had a lot more tools to be able to follow the money very easily.
	But these guys do such a shell game, right?
	Why is it that there's so many LLCs and firms and all the different things they use to set up, right, to hide what they're doing?
	It's hiding that they're stealing money, right?
	You have the roadmap to understanding everything.
	And everything that it connects to.
	And you have all the names.
	Well, what is that?
	What's the big thing?
	What is it?
	The level of corruption?
	The proof.
	One thing has to be talking about.
	That's right.
	The money, the power, the trading of favors at the highest levels, right?
	And the amount of people who are involved in this stuff, right?
	And this is their own, and that's the power of it.
	It's not one person saying it, it's their own words, their own actions, the contracts, their signatures, right?
	Their signatures by their own hand on these documents, right?
	Are you talking about people beside the Biden family?
	That's right.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	People way beyond the Biden family, right?
	So we're talking, this is the international, the people that are involved in these trade deals, the people that are involved in putting together our selling out of the United States to communist China, to allowing China to rise.
	You're getting all the money players involved in this.
	And you look, I'll give you a great example.
	I'll give you a great example.
	There's this American think tank out there that's always constantly attacking this story, and they're calling it Russian disinformation, called it Russian disinformation.
	By the way, never accepted a single, I don't know what they have, ruble, a ruble, I never accepted a ruble in my life.
	I've only always, I'm paying dollars, United States dollars, George Washington, because I don't make too much money.
	So George, George Washington.
	And they claim it's all Russian in this one think tank, right?
	Well, I turn around and you say, well, okay, who's paying you guys?
	Who's paying you guys to come at us like this?
	And then so we start digging and you know, the first one, the first name that I see on there.
	China.
	No.
	What?
	Burisma.
	The first thing I see that here's an organization that's paid by Burisma, which is the same, it's a Ukrainian gas company, but it's the one that Hunter Biden was on the board.
	Why is a Ukrainian gas company giving money to an American media outlet?
	How does that make any sense?
	That blames Russia.
	That blames Russia, that blames us, that blames anybody telling the truth.
	So when you dig down and suddenly you see there's the name right there and you can put the entire thing together.
	Here's a media outlet that's being funded essentially by Burisma.
	We are tracking the money now and we have the power.
	These are the names you were never supposed to hear.
	These are the connections you were never supposed to see.
	I don't need to be Rachel Maddow with one of those spaghetti charts.
	I don't have any notes in front of me.
	I don't have anything in front of me.
	It's just me and you talking right now.
	It's a webcam.
	I don't need one of those spaghetti charts and talking about six layers from Kevin Bacon Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon on explaining this stuff to people.
	Ukraine gave money to the Biden.
	What do you think of Rachel Maddow as a journalist?
	How do you view Rachel Maddow?
	I have a whole theory about MSNBC.
	Do you want to hear my theory about MSNBC?
	Do you remember the Superman movie?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so do you remember they had General Zod?
	Do you remember General Zod?
	That was Superman 2, okay?
	No, I don't know if I saw that.
	All right.
	Well, on the planet Krypton, where Superman used to live, I'm doing this, we're totally going to this level, where Superman used to live, when they had corrupt officials, they used to put them in a place called the Phantom Zone.
	And the Phantom Zone was a crazy two-dimensional place where you would keep all the corrupt people screaming and wailing, where they could perceive It was a pocket dimension, so they called it a pocket dimension.
	And they were screaming and wailing, and they could see actual reality, but they couldn't interact with it.
	They couldn't actually interact with it.
	I started thinking about what should we do with our corrupt officials someday.
	And then I realized these guys like Clapper and Brennan and Strzok and McCabe and all of them.
	And I said, wait a minute, they're all in MSNBC.
	And then I thought, it occurred to me, what if MSNBC is like our Phantom Zone?
	It's a two-dimensional pocket universe where they're all trapped inside of it, where they can see what we're doing, but they can't actually interact with the real world, and they're just stuck in there.
	And the minute that I start thinking of MSNBC as basically the Phantom Zone, it made me feel a little bit better about it.
	Well, there's definitely an operation underway to And that's the problem, right?
	Is that not everybody sees it that way.
	So the more chances I get to explain to people that that's just the phantom zone and that's where we stick all the crazy people and the corrupt people and all the liars.
	So we stick them there and you realize you're looking at the phantom zone.
	That's basically a prison for all those people like that.
	So when you're stuck on there, then you realize why someone's on there.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Somebody got in trouble.
	Somebody did something wrong.
	That's why they're on the phantom zone.
	Right.
	And so, so Rachel Maddow, here's somebody who used to be kind of, she used to be kind of fair.
	You go back to Rachel Maddow, like 10 years ago, and you could see videos of her and Tucker Carlson talking and having a good time and laughing it up.
	And then she completely converted.
	She threw away her integrity.
	She threw away her, her sense of, of honesty.
	She threw away all of her honesty and instead she replaced it with these crazy, she's chasing phantoms.
	These people, they think they're in some kind of like a Tom Clancy novel fighting, you know, secret Russians and foreign everything.
	When it's like, no, you want to find the ones that are actually taking money, right?
	It's right here in front of you.
	It's right here.
	It's right here, Rachel Maddow.
	Rachel, do you want this?
	Do you want a copy?
	I will give you a copy of this, Rachel.
	Oh, I wonder how she set that up.
	Yeah, well they're not allowed.
	I would be more than happy to give her a copy of that.
	They definitely don't write their own copy, do they?
	No, they don't.
	I don't know what they write.
	I don't know what they write.
	You know, they go up every night and they say the most outlandish things and they continue on with it.
	They just continue on.
	They, they, you listen to some of it and they tell you.
	They never say, they never say even when caught, Hey, we were, we made a mistake and we'd like to correct that or apologize for it.
	Cause we know it caused damage to people.
	They never do that.
	So there is no integrity whatsoever.
	And that Lawrence, what's his name?
	Oh my god.
	Oh, Lawrence O'Donnell?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, him and O'Donnell, Chris Hayes over there.
	These guys, they're good because they've become corporate shills.
	They've become corporate shills, right?
	They have no interest in informing the American people of what's going on.
	They've become corporate shills and their role is to create and perpetuate one of those false realities against the American people.
	If you get sucked up into that, then you can get sucked up into the phantom zone yourself and you do not want to be in the phantom zone.
	Right?
	Because that is a false reality.
	It is completely untrue.
	If you go into the regular world, you go out right now, right?
	And this is something I say too.
	You go online, you watch one of these news networks that's so angry all the time.
	She's so mad.
	She's so angry, so upset, right?
	I'm not upset.
	I'm a happy guy.
	I've got a family.
	I've got life.
	I'm alive, you know?
	These people, they're so upset, they're so mad, and they're trying to make you angry.
	You go out, and you don't see people reacting that way in life.
	This is still the United States.
	For all the problems, which we just outlined, this is still the greatest country in the world.
	And we have the ability to live here, and how awesome is that?
	I think it's great.
	When I go out to see, people are kind of insulating themselves from it.
	They know it's false, but they don't have the time to do like I do and like you do, search things all day long on the internet for truth to figure out and talk to people who are informed and, you know, get the story.
	But I know they don't have the time for that.
	I bet you get stopped by.
	Do you get recognized a lot?
	Do you get recognized a lot when you go out?
	Well, this is, you know, not a lot of people on this island.
	They all have seen me a hundred times, so.
	Sure, sure.
	Nobody's all that impressed.
	They're all like, there she is.
	There's the old lady.
	But everyone is so sweet here and very nice.
	It's a good community to live in.
	That's the future.
	We've got to start.
	We're going to go back to communities now.
	Yeah, we are.
	People are rebuilding communities and it's going to be different types of communities.
	I see that.
	I think we're going to turn away from this whole like the left is attacking the right and the right is attacking the left because it doesn't get anywhere, right?
	It doesn't get anywhere.
	Where it does get to is just it's nihilism and it's anger, right?
	Nobody wants that.
	So we're going to go back to communities, right?
	We're going to get to know our neighbors again.
	We're going to grow community gardens and I think we're going to be happier.
	We're going to be closer.
	We're going to watch out for each other's kids.
	We're going to have to.
	I feel evidence of that and I like it.
	You're going to start seeing people, and I've started to see this myself, but you're going to start seeing people living in communities of choice.
	And what do I mean by community of choice?
	A community of choice is people that aren't living together because of like a job, Or a certain economic driver that they're looking for, but they're going to look to find like-minded people.
	Maybe it's people of the same religion, maybe people that they know from other things, and you're going to see families that are going to check out of the corruption.
	They're going to check out of the Back and forth, and they're going to build communities of choice.
	And in those communities, you're starting to see this already in the... Well, Hawaii is very much like that.
	Hawaii is very much like that because it's a farm based and so we have a lot of interconnectivity between our neighbors and us because We're growing the same things, we're cooking the same things, we're eating the same things.
	Most of Texas is like that.
	A lot of Texas is like that too.
	So I think that's a good thing.
	Any step away from the false, you know, I call it, you know, Tower of Babel culture.
	Any step away from that, it's good.
	I tell all my followers, you gotta get out of the cities.
	If you can get out of the city, if you can get your family out of the city, just do it.
	Just get out.
	Just go.
	Cities are done.
	They're totally done.
	I think you're right.
	They serve their purpose, but we're at a point now in our You know, society and our civilization and our development, where cities are no longer going to be the same.
	The cost-benefit ratio is not there anymore.
	The cost of living in a city versus the benefit of living in a city, it's completely lopsided.
	You can see so many cities just full of suffering people, you know, full of lack and suffering.
	And it's just terrible to see that in the United States.
	We have to do something about it.
	Well, I really appreciate you being here today.
	And do you want to end on something really shocking or, or big, big inquirers type stuff about the Biden soiree?
	You got anything?
	Hmm.
	Or not?
	I'm trying to think of something that hasn't really come out yet.
	It would just end with a prayer of goodwill towards People who are suffering and hope they come forward to help us put this era behind us.
	I'd like to end on that.
	We should pray for the people who are suffering.
	That's the main thing for me, is when I look at this laptop, this hard drive, and these messages, I see a person who is hurting, a soul who is hurting, a family who is hurting, and they have that pain.
	And we know there's been a lot of trauma.
	In that family, there is multiple traumas.
	And you look at that, and by the way, understandable, right?
	Understandable that there'd be that level of pain with what they've gone through.
	But there are healthy ways to deal with that.
	There are healthier ways and there is a path.
	You have to walk away from certain things.
	But I just pray for, I pray for the Bidens.
	Funny enough, I don't think you'd ever hear, Oh, Jack Posobiec, he's a Trump.
	No, I pray for the Biden family as people, as humans, as my fellow Americans.
	It's just, I pray for them.
	Of course, I pray for them.
	Every single one of them.
	I pray for anybody who's caught or compromised or owned in any kind of slavery that they Can get free and come back to the human family freely.
	Right?
	That's beautiful.
	That's beautiful.
	Amen.
	Isn't that perfect?
	Isn't that perfect?
	We went, we talked to all the negative and now we end on a positive.
	I love it.
	I love that you were my guest today.
	It was wonderful to speak with you and good luck with your new baby and good luck with your good job on a wonderful network and your Pursuit of fact and truth to keep the American people informed.
	Great job.
	It's an absolute honor.
	The next time we're out there in Hawaii, we'll have to call you and give you a ring.
	Sue, come and see my nut trees.
	Oh, I want to see them.
	I'll make you do work.
	All right.
	Thank you, Jack.
	Hey, by the way, I had a quick question.
	Did Joe Rogan ever respond to you saying you'd bring the hard drive on?
	You never did.
	You never did.
	I'll take the hard drive copy, though, Jack.
	Jack, if you want to send it to me, I could take a look for you.
	Hell yeah.
	I watched that.
	I watched some of that.
	We're going to keep talking.
	By the way, I have a quick question.
	Did Joe Rogan ever...
	We are working on potentially finding a way to upload a lot of it.
	We're working on a way to upload a lot of it.
	And there's a lot of personal stuff in here, but we want to get the newsworthy documents.
	Yeah, get the dirty deals that affect the American worker.
	Definitely.
	And that's what's important is corruption.
	That's what's important.

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