July 25, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 524: DESANTIS CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES, WW3 TENSIONS RISE BETWEEN POLAND AND RUSSIA
On today’s can’t miss episode of Human Events, Jack Posobiec brings you all the latest, breaking news on the Republican Primary and the massive announcement from the DeSantis camp that one third of their campaign staff has been fired! Poso is also joined by the great Natalie Winters for an elevated discussion on the coup within the United States Military as well as the DOJ running cover for child traffickers. Tony Shaffer joins Jack for an update on the Ukraine conflict with Russia and tactic...
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Today is July 25th, 2023.
I know, Dominic, huge news hitting politico.com.
Governor DeSantis' campaign has fired, cut, let go, whatever you want to call it, more than one-third of their campaign staff, as their not-so-great reset.
Is continuing from Politico the cuts which were confirmed by advisors will amount to a total of 38 jobs shed across an array of departments.
Now it appears that this is they're letting go to senior advisors.
Top to bottom, and you're getting these comments about top to bottom review, expanded cuts, looking into what's going on.
Now, keep in mind this is coming off the backs of a donor retreat, which was held in the extremely prestigious Deer Valley, Utah.
Beautiful resort out there, very close to Twin Peaks.
Advisors outlined plans for DeSantis, who has been criticized, reading from Politico, At the same time, we're also hearing that the positions that have been cut are not necessarily anyone above the fold, shall we say.
No one on the masthead is leaving.
These are mid-level to low-level staffers, so the leadership is not changing.
campaign manager, the senior advisors, people like Jenar Peck, people like Ryan Tyson, these guys will all still be around.
This is also coming as rumors are circulating that Jeff Rowe and Never Back Down are potentially looking for other candidates.
They're shopping around for other candidates to get in the race, potentially a Brian Kemp, Governor Kemp of Georgia, or even potentially Glenn Youngkin.
Now, Jeff Rowe is the former general consultant for the Glenn Youngkin campaign.
His firm ran that campaign.
They were very successful in Virginia.
They have a very close relationship, so it shouldn't come as a surprise.
But huge news!
I would say, I would actually say this is earth-shattering news in terms of the primary.
We've got a huge show.
Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaffer is going to be joining us later in the hour, talking about Ukraine, talking about a new potential flashpoint for an operation, possibly covert operation, Similar to the Nord Stream 2 bombing, Natalie Winters will be joining us next, but when we talk about this primary, when we talk about what's going on, to have seen the political fortunes shift so massively,
From January to the midsummer of July with this for the governor for Tallahassee.
This is not where anyone I think in Tallahassee expected Governor DeSantis to be by July.
I don't think this is anywhere where they thought the campaign was going to be.
I think they thought they'd be making headway.
They did not think they'd be polling at 16% nationwide with the amount of money The amount of support they had.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back.
Natalie Winters is going to come up.
I want to get her take on all of this, but then also go through some of the incredible scoops that she's been launching over at the War Room.
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Alright, Jack Posobiec, here we are back, Washington, D.C.
I want to bring on now Natalie Winters.
You know her from The War Room.
You may also not know, though, that Natalie Winters is a former Human Events writer.
Isn't that right, Natalie?
Former Human Events writer.
That is true.
The first article I actually ever published was for Human Events, and I believe it was called The Left's Weaponization of Journalism.
So I'm taking credit for the, I would say, popularity of the term weaponization.
That was all the way back in 2019.
I was ahead of the curve.
But I covered the We Build the Wall Border Symposium with, of course, Raheem Kassam.
I wrote some articles there, so I am, like I said, returning to my roots by coming back on Human Events Daily.
Well, Natalie, and just so you know, whenever you're done working with War Room and you want to come actually work for a real publication, a real news outlet, then you give us a call because we're going to keep your seat completely open for you here at Human Events.
Thank you.
You know, I told Steve the ads that they were running on the old iteration of the war room.org website.
Those were a deal breaker for me.
They, they had to drop them or else they wouldn't be, they were, they were pretty bad.
We're not going to, we're not going to get in there.
We're not going to get into the ads that we run because every, every time I get into that with the website guys over there, I say, guys, could we have, do we have to have this ad there?
I don't like seeing this next to my face.
If it's like a picture of me on the show or something.
And then I get this whole image.
What do you want us to do?
We have to pay for the site, Jack.
Anyway, it's a long story.
It's a long story.
Natalie, let's talk about finances because it is important and you're a real journalist and you belong with other real journalists at Human Events, but when we understand finances, when we understand this, Governor DeSantis.
Shocking news, I would say, throughout the primary.
To see a governor who was top of his game just six months ago, riding high, coffers full, announces for the presidency, and now to be polling 16%, flirting with single digits, on a trajectory for single digits now.
Nationwide, cutting up to a third of this.
I think it's something like 50 staffers that have now been let go in just the past week.
What happened?
How do you go from that to this in such a rapid time?
Well, and by the way, juxtapose this with how hot Donald Trump is coming and has really continued to be coming in on the campaign trail.
I mean, we were just obviously up there at Bedminster.
We saw what he was doing with the Sound of Freedom screening, actually bringing forth Meaningful, substantive change, talking about issues that matter.
And the best the DeSantis campaign can do is have some weird event with, you know, B-list influencers and Deer Valley.
And then, of course, you're going to see them hemorrhaging campaign staff because it's not really even so much of a financial matter.
I think it's frankly just the people, the grassroots, the activists' support for him.
It was never really there to begin with.
I think it was a smoke screen that they sort of tried to cover.
by using funds of the people like, you know, Ken Griffith, these huge mega donors whose interests are by no means vested in the working class of this country, but are vested in, you know, their returns as members and high profile members of Wall Street running firms like Citadel, which are, of course, closely linked with the Chinese Communist Party.
But I think it really was just a matter of time.
There really was just a lag time between the projections and fantasies of the DeSantis campaign that was really bolstered by the sizable funds of people like Ken Griffith and reality, which is, frankly, I subscribe to the mindset that no matter how much money you have, you can't get the MAGA base.
You can't get the grassroots activists to turn up and show support, especially when you don't even have the nerve to show up to events like Turning Point USA's ACCON down in Palm Beach to speak and address the crowd there.
It's not a one-way street, and that's why I think he's stuck with, like you said, a third of his campaign staff and really just a gaggle of weirdos out in Deer Valley.
family.
Well, and it's interesting, so can you tease that through for us a little bit more, this idea of how big of an effect was it for the DeSantis campaign, this decision to skip the Turning Point Action event, and then instead we see these images of him going and spending time with high-dollar donors in one of these private luxury resorts?
I think is honestly one of the weirdest political calculuses that I've seen made in modern history.
And what I mean by that is that, well, frankly, independent of him actually deciding to run for president.
But, you know, frankly, I think Ron DeSantis takes the MAGA base, takes the sort of grassroots activist activist community really for granted.
I think you see that first and foremost, particularly with people in Florida.
Right.
He told people he wasn't going to run.
was sort of vague about whether or not he was going to step down.
There was some weirdness about campaign funds being used, whether for the governorship or for his presidential race.
So I think there's just a lack of respect there.
But to not show up and actually engage with the grassroots, the people there, you know, at that Turning Point Act Con, who slew miles, hundreds, thousands of miles to go to that event.
How can you say you're serious about actually representing the people when you can't even spend an hour talking to them You know, if you're scared of what the optics are, if you're going to get booed, how the heck are you supposed to take on the deep state if you can't even take on, you know, Turning Point ActCon?
But I think just the fundamental issue is that he's never actually felt beholden to the grassroots, to the activists.
Because if you look at the average donation size to his campaign and where the primary source of this funding is coming from, it's not coming from the grassroots.
It's not coming from the people who support candidates like Donald Trump.
It's coming from the Ken Griffiths of the world.
So of course he's going to prioritize spending time with them, because he knows that's really his only, not even last hope, but it's his only hope.
Like I said, it really is, it's an offense, I think, to the American people.
And it's an insult to their intelligence that we don't really see what's going on here.
The MAGA base, as you know, Jack, the people who watch Steve's show, who watch your show, are extremely well informed on all of the issues.
And they know why Ron DeSantis isn't coming to these events.
It's because he doesn't care.
It's because at the end of the day, unlike Donald Trump, he is beholden to the corporate donor class.
And it's always been about money for him.
Natalie, and I know we didn't actually plan to talk about this, but I know you've done other reporting specifically on Citadel, on Sequoia Capital, some of these groups.
You mentioned that they're tied to the Chinese Communist Party.
Can you walk us through that a little bit?
How is it that you have these American business leaders that are so tied, their profits and their bottom line tied to the Chinese Communist Party?
It makes no sense.
I mean, those are our adversaries, I thought.
Yeah, we can take Ken Griffith and Citadel as an example because he really was one of the, I think, loudest supporters of Ron DeSantis.
And primarily he was kind of rolled out by the media because he had backed Donald Trump previously, but then realized that Donald Trump, I would argue, actually confronted the Chinese Communist Party.
So he pivoted to sort of an empty vessel candidate like Ron DeSantis.
But, you know, Citadel, put it put it this way.
The same day that Ken Griffith announced that he would be backing Ron DeSantis and basically discarding Donald Trump was the same exact day that there was an article published in Bloomberg where Ken Griffith is quoted as saying that they are going to basically double down on their investments in China and that they're looking to get investment and basically broker licenses from the Chinese Communist Party to be able to expand their operations there.
And I'm sure people who watch your show are familiar with the way that the economy is run there.
You know, there are some similarities to here in the United States.
They really rule it with an iron fist in terms of allowing companies to enter nine times out of ten.
If you have a board, you have to have a Chinese Communist Party member on your board sort of liaising with the regime to make sure that what you're doing is in accordance.
And Citadel really has a massive wide scale operation in China.
They've been fined by Chinese Communist Party regulators and have been trying to get those fines lifted and basically get separate licenses so they can broaden their reach and their
But to me, I think the fundamental issue, as someone who, as you know, is really focused on Chinese Communist Party influence, if the Chinese Communist Party did not want Ron DeSantis, right, if they thought that he was going to be an impediment to them and their ability to rule and really monopolize political power here in the United States, they would not be allowing Ken Griffith to support him, right?
The Chinese Communist Party is coming out.
Boldly in opposition to Donald Trump, right?
They are not allies with anyone in the MAGA movement, the grassroots movement, with what Donald Trump has done in seeking to really oust the Chinese Communist Party from power.
But all these Wall Street types, the Ken Griffiths, of which there are many, don't miss the Boris for the Trees with him, they know that they're safe to support Ron DeSantis and that that's not going to ruffle any feathers with the Chinese Communist Party.
And frankly, I think that's the biggest tell that there is.
Well, it comes down to this, right?
It comes down to this, and I've talked about it a million times, you've talked about it a million times.
It comes down to the question of tariffs.
Because we've had these groups like the Club for Chinese Growth running around saying, oh, we need free trade, we need the free flow of capital, we need the free flow of labor.
The same guys are for open borders, by the way.
That's different.
That doesn't exactly affect China.
An interesting thing to point out, I should add, and the reason is because they know that President Trump or someone, anyone, right?
Anyone who came in with a populist nationalist agenda put people like Robert Lighthizer, people like Peter Navarro in positions of power.
That is exactly what would Turn back the tide, stem the tide of the Chinese Communist Party's growth, their coffers, which have gone all in, because it's simple, right?
The deal was made all the way back, we did the China files, we explained all this, the deal was made back in the 1980s under George H.W.
Bush, George W. Bush's father, that you will be the slave laborer, you're going to be the factory of the world, we're going to gut the Midwest, we're going to gut the South, we're going to gut Appalachia, all the jobs, the steel, the rust, That's the reason the Rust Belt is the Rust Belt, and we wonder why it is that Ron DeSantis, even when you look in these terms of early state polls, he's not doing well in the Rust Belt.
One minute, Natalie Winters.
I always say that really is the original sin of the globalist economic model, right?
The outsourcing of jobs to China, and that's reliant on the Chinese Communist Party being empowered to be able to suppress their people, the Lao-Beijing.
And I think Americans can see Because you know what?
Republicans, frankly, since Donald Trump, since beforehand, they've been fed up with these empty vessel candidates that stand for nothing, have no backbones, except the manufactured talking points that the Republican establishment and their donors sort of inject and put into them.
And I think Ron DeSantis, in part because of his absolutely bizarre character and the way he comports himself, I think they see him just as one of these other Mitt Romney, John McCain, just Glenn Youngkin, you know, as Steve always says, plug and play.
Folks, we are going to come back because Natalie Winters has other scoops for us that I actually promised her we would get to, but unfortunately we have breaking news and that's the business, folks, so stay tuned.
activists want.
They're in line with what Wall Street wants.
Folks, we are going to come back because Natalie Winters has other scoops for us that actually promised her we would get to.
But unfortunately, we have we have breaking news and that's the business, folks.
So stay tuned.
We got a lot from Natalie Winters coming up next.
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Natalie Winters, we promised we'd get back to you because you've got some incredible... Look, you mentioned, by the way, that we were up there at Bedminster last week.
We did... I don't even know how many hours you did on air.
I think I did three.
I think you did like five hours on air.
Historic evening.
I'm still recovering.
Absolute historic weekend.
By the way, this is Natalie at 50%, folks.
You don't want to see her all the way dialed up.
You don't want that.
You really don't want that.
But we saw The Sound of Freedom, and that was my, I think, third time seeing it, maybe, up there.
It's very emotional.
It's very moving.
It hits you from all directions.
But The fact of the matter is that this is a salient issue, not only because it's something that we care about in the world, but it's also something that can be affected by the federal government because we're sitting there in the room.
And I thought about this later that, you know, President Trump wasn't just someone who's watching the movie.
He's someone who actually actively managed the national security agencies.
And we know he took it that seriously because the very next day he said that he would be reinvesting in child trafficking, protect prevention and agents going after this and then also instituting the death penalty for child traffickers.
But, Natalie, you found some information about what the Biden DOJ is up to or should I say not up to when it comes to this issue, didn't you?
Yes, something is very rotten at the DOJ.
As Steve and I always say, you know, make it make sense.
And these are this is one of the stories that I just I don't think you can really do that with.
So the predecessor to the one that you have up on the screen right now, because we'll link it together, because I think it represents really more of a systemic problem within the Biden regime, not just sort of a one-off incident, a technological glitch, which is what I'm sure they would say.
But in the Child Exploitation Division of the Department of Justice's website, they have various tabs that under the Trump administration were really fleshed out to have a lot of information about what exactly constitutes child sex trafficking, the various criminal statutes that apply, how to prevent the various criminal statutes that apply, how to prevent it, and frankly, how open borders allows for the international basically importing, importation of children that allows this horrific, horrific crime to To continue.
And what's so interesting is that the Biden regime in May of this year revised several web pages to consciously and intentionally delete information about the, quote, international sex trafficking of children.
So I'll walk you through the two pages that I uncovered.
The first had to do with just listing the subject areas, basically, of concern that this child exploitation division was tasked with focusing on.
They used to have four headings.
It was child sex trafficking, international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors, and child prostitution.
Now, the website, like I said, as of May of this year, they deleted the last three terms that I just said, and all they have on there is child sex trafficking.
And if you read the article, you can see they specifically omit the parts that have to do with how open borders and international trade allows for children to be more easily imported into the United States.
And then the sort of second offense that they committed was on a page that was the citizen's guide to U.S. federal law on child sex trafficking.
They deleted hundreds of words from it, again, really focusing on the international aspect of it.
And they used to list about five or six codes, or sorry, statutes from the U.S. code that were, you know, the relevant ones to the crime of child sex trafficking.
But they erased all of them except for one, just the kind of plain and simple child sex trafficking and the number.
And it really is one of those those stories and questions where I'm left and I'm usually not perplexed.
I usually try to understand everything before I put stories out.
But the Biden regime has been totally silent.
I put this story up a week, two weeks ago.
They haven't said anything.
And from what I can tell, there are a lot more Web pages that they've done similar Sort of revisions on and I think the primary question is why?
To summarize it, what they're doing is President Trump had detailed, fully extensive guides, citizens guides, how to track this stuff, how to look for it, warning signs, all the rest.
And what Biden's done is essentially put up a placeholder saying, oh, you know, trial trafficking is bad and, you know, keep calm and carry on.
We're taking care of it.
That's what's going on.
It's a complete whitewash of what's going on.
And then when these outlets like Rolling Stone, CNN, The Washington Post come around and say, oh, child sex trafficking, that's QAnon level.
Well, they could point to the Department of Justice and say, oh, look, the Department of Justice doesn't even have this up on their website.
Yeah, that's really, I think, the most bizarre aspect of it.
It's not like this is just an isolated incident within the Biden regime when you contextualize this really in the broader frame of the policies that they've been pursuing, particularly on the southern border.
And I'm not just talking, leaving it wide open, but the dropping of requiring DNA tests when they see family units and children come.
And of course, I think, too, it links back to really what is the grooming of children, pushing ideologies like transgenderism and however many genders there are, you know, You know, if there's 100, maybe there's 120 tomorrow.
But pushing this on children, I think the fundamental driving force is to rob children of their innocence.
I think it starts by putting these bizarre radical gender ideologies in their head, of course, coming after the nuclear family, which I know you discuss at length.
But I think sort of the uncomfortable truth of this is that the final step, the sort of ultimate transgression of this ability, this quest to rob children of their innocence, which we see a full scale crusade coming from the Biden regime to do, I think does resort in child sex trafficking, does resort in pedophilia, I think does resort in child sex trafficking, does resort in pedophilia, does resort in some of these uncomfortable crimes that no one wants to talk about until for the, you know, thank goodness of films like Sound of Freedom that are forcing that
But I really think that this is the logical conclusion of a lot of the policies and just ideologies that the Biden regime is spreading and spewing in American classrooms.
And frankly, they're covering up for them all the way.
to the DOJ's website.
And if they're doing that so boldly to a taxpayer funded publicly accessible website, if they feel confident enough to revise and quite literally delete international sex trafficking from a website made to call attention to the actual crime and help, you know, save children in this horrible act.
Could you imagine what they're doing behind the scenes?
I don't, I don't even, I don't even want to know.
Well, look, and we've already seen the testimony from FBI whistleblowers, Kyle Serafin coming forward and stating unequivocally that when Biden's DOJ came in, they took people from the child trafficking task force and then moved them over to political investigations, they took people from the child trafficking task force and then moved them over
You know, I'm sure making sure that they weren't going to cover any of the corruption tied to Biden and his family, but even beyond the partisan elements of it, the fact of the matter is that child sex trafficking shouldn't be a partisan issue.
You'd think if there were anything, and maybe I'll ask you that, why do you suppose it is that this issue has become so politicized in this country?
Are we just that polarized that everything has to be tribal now?
You know, I think the answer to that question sort of is the question itself.
In other words, the people who are really upset and have made this a partisan issue, I think it's because they're covering up for the fact that there is one side of the political spectrum that I think has more of an issue with this.
Like I said, you have to contextualize it, I think, in their broader campaign and push for this radical gender ideology.
I think woke is too euphemistic a term, but really the subversion of children's innocence.
And I would argue Republicans, of course, always fail to step up and prevent it from happening in the schools, but it's the far left Democrats who are attempting to put it in the schools in the first place.
So I think that's sort of why there is this unnatural affinity between sort of the corporate mainstream media press and the left wing on this issue, because I think they typically are in lockstep. - Well, Natalie, let me tell you, we've got a couple of minutes left.
Let me tie that back to something you said earlier today.
You said that a coup of our military has already taken place.
I think that law enforcement at the national level, the IC, this ties into it.
What does that mean?
Why are you saying that now?
Sure.
So we were talking on War Room about how, you know, with the new, what is it, the general or the Joint Chief of Staff that they're trying to uh confirmed through the senate um and we were you know up in arms because this guy is really a marxist through and through uh both in practice and in preach and i was saying that you know yeah i guess they still have to confirm him he hasn't been confirmed yet but the fact that they feel so comfortable even advocating and pushing for someone like this i think really shows you how far we've fallen
and the story that i was discussing in that in that video that that news outlet wrote up it had to do back actually when i was working for human events um the true reason that i ended up working at human events i was originally slated to intern at the pentagon um in 2019 under trump
but when i showed up there i talked i was talking to one of the undersecretaries and he asked me you know why i was interested in defense where i was interested in working at the pentagon and i told him i wanted to end the forever wars like i was not into that i was not reluctant but wasn't looking to become a defense contractor i hated the chinese communist party and how they were broadening their foothold in the united states
and i was really really most concerned about uh islamic subversion and really encroachment in the united states and he looked at me like i was crazy and he said look like i'm one of the few trump appointees who you can say that to me and i'm on the same page as you but there's maybe only one other person like me here um and everyone else if you were to say that to them you wouldn't go nowhere in this building you'd probably be Yeah.
fired or sent to a desk in Alaska, you get absolutely no assignments.
You wouldn't have any work to do.
He said, you need to say that you're interested in protecting women's rights in the Middle East.
That's a politically correct issue to be passionate about.
And it was in that moment that I really realized that I stand by it.
There has been a coup, um, by the administrative state, by the people who don't subscribe to the Trump mindset of what our military should be doing at home and abroad.
Natalie, we are, that is, that's incredible reporting.
I want to get more from you.
I'd love to see it at humanevents.com.
Just saying, maybe, maybe see, maybe do like a cross-posting thing.
We can do, we can do like, you know, Steve will let you write something for us, maybe once in a while.
Natalie's opinion.
We'll call it Natalie's Corner.
We'll call it Natalie's Corner.
Natalie, where can people go to get all of your stuff, at least currently, and to follow you?
Well, in the meantime, you can go to warroom.org to get my stories, and you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and basically all the platforms at Natalie G. Winters.
And thank you so much, Jack, for having me on.
Thanks, Natalie.
God bless you.
God bless all your work.
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Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shafer joins us here to talk about the latest in the Ukraine conflict that's going on.
Ukraine, Russia, Tony, the last time we had you on, we were talking about how the counteroffensive was stalling out, the NATO summit was just about to happen.
We were looking at the Zaporizhian nuclear power plant.
Zelensky said there was about to be an attack on the power plant.
That never happened.
Do you think, do you think, it seems like somebody blinked in that situation.
Was that a blink?
Because it felt like they were building up to something.
And then it never happened, which, by the way, I'm glad, because you'd think that a nuclear incident would be the red line of all red lines.
Yeah, I think to that point, Jack, nobody was buying it.
The one thing you have to do in a false flag, and I think it was going to be a false flag, I think the Ukrainians were going to do it and blame it on Russia, is you have to make it credible.
And there was just no credibility.
I think everybody saw what was going on.
And the more Zelensky protested the Russians are going to do something, it's more like, yeah, there's no indication in the IAEA, the International Atomic Agency, which oversees nuclear plants coming out and saying, yeah, we see no evidence of this.
I think I think the gig was up.
There was just no way they were going to be able to pull it off.
And everybody would have known instantly.
And that wouldn't have helped their cause, because, as you said, last time we spoke, the offensive was not going well, by all accounts.
If it wasn't going well, then it's going horribly now.
Because we're talking about upwards of 50 percent attrition of the Bradley fighting vehicles.
They won't announce that.
They're saying about 20, 25 percent.
I think it's closer to 50.
Every sustainer on the planet who understands how to keep Bradleys going is moving to Ukraine to try to recover these darn things.
And then by all accounts, the leopards aren't doing well.
And anybody who wants to kind of understand what's going on, I recommend they go study the Battle of Kursk during World War II, also in July of 1943.
Largest tank battle in history.
Largest tank battle in history, but you can't, it's not a one-for-one.
You've got to just look at the symmetry of what happened in Russia and Germany, what Russia and Ukraine is doing.
And there's many similarities.
Uh, real quick on the Battle of Kursk, the Germans introduced new technology that the Panther Five and the Panther Six, also known as the King Tiger.
They were introduced very effective for the time, but they were not effective enough to stop the Russians from overwhelming the German forces.
Same thing here.
The Ukrainians have all this great new technology supposed to overcome any numeric advantage, the Russians not working.
And so there's many parallels, too many to get into here.
We could probably even do a full show on the parallels.
But suffice to say, look at how that whole battle unfolded.
And I think you're going to see a lot of similarities of how the Russians are Basically following a very similar strategy to overwhelm the Ukrainians.
And one other thing requests, Serskiy, General Serskiy, Colonel General Serskiy, and the other general, which I'll get his name in a second, Zeluzny, are not on the same sheet.
Zeluzny being the overall commander of forces, Serskiy being the commander of ground forces.
Serskiy is focused on retaining, going and taking back the territory in the north, Zalouzny is focused on Crimea.
He's wanting Crimea.
It's like his white whale.
That's what he's focused on.
And because of that, Jack, you're a military guy.
They've never been able to establish battlefield focus relating to the biggest number of forces available to go pick a spot and go through.
They've had four or five.
It's been very disheveled.
Horribly run.
I think Mark Milley approved all this nonsense.
So at least if so, it's very clear that there was never any combat cohesion and Zeluzny and Serskiy going in different directions was never going to be something would help the Ukrainians achieve.
I think it's why that's also why Zeluzny was largely absent from media.
In the entire run-up to this.
But Tony, there's another piece of this that I'd like to get in, and we've got a break coming up in a couple of minutes, but we'll go over it.
That has to do with a phrase that we're seeing more and more chatter in the media now.
It's called the Sivalki Gap.
Right.
And they're saying Prigozhin and Wagner.
They're headed over to Belarus.
They're manning up on the Svobodny Gap.
Poland is sending materiel.
They're sending APCs up to the Svobodny Gap.
So we've got the map up there for folks who don't understand or aren't familiar with the area.
Walk us through what is the significance of the Svobodny Gap?
What is it?
Well, this is a common access point for Russia to have access to the Baltic Sea and Basically, you have a number of countries which are involved.
As a matter of fact, one of the few things I'll ever agree with Politico on, Politico called this place the most dangerous place on Earth.
It's like, wow, one time out of a million, Politico got something right.
And they are correct.
So you've got the Russians, you've got the Lithuanians, you've got the Poles, you've got NATO that has the overall responsibility regarding the security of the region.
and of course the EU.
So this is where all the interests of all the parties truly come together.
'Cause by the way, this was true during the Cold War.
During the Cold War, Jack, we recognized that if there was ever going to be a flashpoint that we would probably be able to draw from and figure out everybody's going to war.
This was it.
So I think the same can be said now with all the interests of the different parties regarding keeping that that gap open.
It's very small.
It's very compact.
But a lot of things happen there, and so I think many folks recognize that there's going to be miscalculation or aggression that triggers World War III, like during the Cold War.
A lot of folks think it's going to happen at this gap.
And just to break it down for folks that don't get to see the map, you've got this exclave of Russia, so Russian territory that is non-contiguous with the rest of what they call the Union State of Russia and Belarus.
So it's directly across from Belarus, separated by a very short line of the border between Poland and Lithuania.
So in order to resupply this area with food, material, etc., the EU has sent trains across.
They have this basically agreement between the EU, Belarus, and Russia to be able to send supply trains, passengers at times.
The stress on that specifically has been immense since the sanctions have been put on.
Now it looks like it may become an initial Flashpoint in the area because also the other borders are now all being shut down between Poland Kaliningrad the rest at the same time you had Russians at one point arguing that they wanted a a Russian corridor to be opened a special highway special railway just for them Poland pushing back saying hey that sounds a lot like what what the Germans were asking for when it came to Gdansk and Denzig back in the 1930s and
So obviously there's a lot of emotional issues there, a lot of historic issues that play into it, also into the, I think the nicest way I could put it, the less than stable relationship between Poland and Russia over the years.
And so we're coming up on a break here, Tony, but I want to get into this theory that I've seen people posting around out there.
It's a thesis that I think is possible This flashpoint, when we're talking about potential operations, intelligence operations, what happens if somebody takes out that rail line between Belarus and Kaliningrad across the Sivalki Gap?
Could we see the potential for major destabilization of Ukraine and NATO in this current moment?
Stay tuned.
Tony Schafer is going to break it down for us.
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Tony Schaefer.
So, let's walk through what would it look like?
What would a scenario look like?
If one of these trains were traveling between Belarus and Kaliningrad, or even just one morning we wake up and the train is about to go across, but it turns out that that rail line, that key strategic rail line between Belarus, which is the Union State of Belarus and Russia, and Kaliningrad There's a massive explosion.
There's the tracks have been severed.
We can't figure out what's going on.
I mean, we've seen attacks in Moscow.
We've seen attacks down on on the Danube this week right now.
So Russia getting very, very close with I'm hoping they're using their most precision targeted, you know, guided munitions when they're when they're getting directly across the river from NATO territory.
And of course, we've seen the Nord Stream 2 explosion.
Would it be outside of the realm of possibility, when we're talking about essentially that same Baltic Rim, to see an explosion in the Suwałki Gap that could spin us towards World War III?
What would it look like?
Walk us through the scenario.
So, it depends on who does it, Jack.
I mean, that's where you have to, you know, who benefits?
Who would benefit?
Well, we know what the media would be saying on day one.
The media would be out there, CNN, oh, oh, this was, this is Russia, this is Putin, this is, it's always been, no evidence, no investigation, but we're told that this, we would be told this was an attack on NATO.
Right, exactly.
So that's where you'd have to start and then trying to unravel it because the closest analogy I can find to try to help illustrate this for your audience is what happened during Berlin.
So Berlin was another contended space where everybody wanted a piece of it.
A lot of the same players.
And the tensions there were very high, especially at one point when the Soviets shut down access to Berlin Airlift.
A lot of things were going on.
Armies on both sides really prepared for war.
So I think that's what you're going to see before you see any overt conflict.
Say a train is blown up.
It's going to take about a week for everybody to kind of go through the reaction process.
The hair on fire, the day after, the accusations, the recriminations.
You know, it's like going through the five different steps of grief.
The same thing happens here when you have an event like this.
People have to go through stages.
But after the first week, I think you would see more rational people trying to figure out Uh, what to do next?
What will what would happen out of that is you would probably see mass activation of military forces, both sides, because if the Russians didn't do it and they're being blamed, they're going to be prepared to get expand their military conflict because they think they're going to be attacked.
NATO is going to do the same thing.
And so like during the Cold War, during many alerts, uh, you always saw this ratcheting up of military forces.
I was a reservist.
I was sent to Germany on something called Reforger, Return of Forces to Germany, 1985, as part of force protection operations.
We were prepared to go to war.
You know, that was during the Reagan days and a lot of high tension.
Uh, another book that people ought to see is a book called War Scare by Dr. Peter Vincent Price.
Peter just passed a while back, God rest his soul, but Peter outlined kind of another one of these areas where miscalculation almost resulted in a nuclear exchange between the East and West.
And so both sides.
I have inherent paranoia right now, Jack, that you do an event like that, both sides are going to come up and be prepared to go to war.
And I think that is where you're going to have people hopefully thinking this thing through.
I'd like to believe that if there's an attack like that, a train gets blown up, some event happens where you have a number of folks killed from an act of terror, that everybody will take a deep breath, take a step back.
I'm sure that both sides will activate militaries and be prepared, but you need to sort through this to make sure that we don't end up destroying the entire economy of Europe, the entire economy, the whole of the EU.
Because in the end, I think the Russians would come through this much better than the EU.
And that's why I think anybody on the NATO side has to think carefully before they contemplate any offensive action against Putin, because I think the consequences are going to be far more severe to NATO countries than to Russia at this point in time.
What do you think, and obviously this is just your analysis at this point, as an intel officer, but some of this talk about, so we have the summit, that doesn't go well for anybody, it just kind of comes and goes, really, at the end of the day, much to do for nothing.
The counteroffensive doesn't go anywhere, we're seeing Russia kind of pull up a little bit more in some areas, there's talk about a Kharkov offensive, but there's been a lot of chatter involving Poland, there's been chatter involving Prigozhin, his moves, Do you think that's just talk or is something actually being driven there?
And Putin himself came out and said that you could see the Polish military or possibly Poland and Lithuania together moving a force into Western Ukraine.
No doubt.
But let's go back to the NATO Summit for a minute.
Jack, I can't believe you did not recognize that the upgrade of a study committee to a study council is progress, regardless.
I am shocked that you don't see that as progress, Jack.
They did make progress.
No, it's not a conference.
It's beyond the committee.
That's right.
So they did make progress.
But to your point, no, they didn't do anything.
And yes, I agree with the assessment that you could see basically NATO members, one and two, getting together to do things together.
Because I can tell you right now, Turkey's not on board with expanding the conflict.
They actually have good relations with both Ukraine and Russia.
Turkey does not want to be pushing to get in the middle of having to take military action against either one of those countries.
As a matter of fact, Erdogan tried to position himself during the NATO conference to be the peacemaker, and everybody saw through it.
It's like, yeah, yeah, no, we're not going to talk to you.
But I'm just saying that it's very clear at this point that you have certain interests in certain countries, Poland being one of them, Poland has an inherent fear of Russia because of what happened in 1939.
I get it.
And so we have to account for the Poles feeling that they are prepared and want to be prepared to be able to stop Russia doing something, stopping Russian aggression.
Lithuania too, these other nations.
So you might well see a sub element of NATO, smaller than NATO, which would mean Article 5 is not invoked, We're about out of time.
create their own small military coalition for purposes of being prepared, at least, to initially respond to a Russian aggression, even if NATO can't.
And that would be just a practical thing to do with those nations, especially a conspiracy to the willing who want to do that sort of thing.
We're about out of time, Tony.
Where can people go to follow you, get more access to your writings?
So LondonCenter.org, London Center for Policy Research, named after my late boss, Dr. Herb London, and of course, Project Sentinel, Project Sentinel.com, where most of our advocacy relating to the Constitution and returning government to constitutional principles and the military as well.
So, Dak, that's where I'm at, and always great being on with you.
