July 11, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 514: ZELENSKY REJECTED BY NATO, TRUMP DOMINATES IN NEW POLL
On today’s episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, Poso dives deep into Zelensky’s latest rejection from NATO and the geopolitical implications the rejection has on the Russia - Ukraine conflict. Poso is joined by none other than Raheem Kassam and the duo break down the latest failing of the DeSantis Campaign and pull zero punches with their analysis. Jack is also joined by the People’s Pundit himself Richard Baris with a breakdown of the latest polling out of Iowa indicating that Preside...
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July 11th, 2023, Anno Domini.
The NATO Summit that we've been telling you all about just kicked off today in Villeneuve.
I was in Villeneuve a couple of weeks ago, there at the Presidential Palace.
But!
Vladimir Zelensky, President of Ukraine, some harsh words, harsh words from Mr. Zelensky for NATO because it turns out that he found out On the way to the summit, guess what?
All that work, all those promises were for naught.
Ukraine has been rejected for NATO membership.
Now, of course, they're saying, well, we'll get back to you later.
We're just going to delay it for a little bit.
There's just a few more conditions, some things we have to work on.
Zelensky releasing an incredible, just this morning, 6 a.m.
Eastern Time, a blistering statement attacking NATO, saying Ukraine deserves respect.
We are receiving signals that wording is being discussed without Ukraine.
This wording is about the invitation to become a NATO member, not about Ukraine's membership.
It's unprecedented and absurd!
When time frame is not set neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine's membership while at the same time vague wording about conditions is being added even for inviting Ukraine.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
No invitation for you, Zelensky.
No invitation.
It seems there is no readiness... His words, not mine.
It seems there is no readiness neither to invite Ukraine to NATO nor to make it a member of the alliance.
This means that a window of opportunity is being left to bargain Ukraine's membership in NATO in future negotiations with Russia.
And for Russia, this means motivation to continue its terror.
Uncertainty is weakness and I will openly discuss this at the summit.
I'll listen to him sending ultimatums.
I will openly discuss this at the summit.
Look, it's simple.
What NATO is trying to do Is there saying, keep fighting.
Thanks for fighting Russia for us.
Better luck next time, but we'll be more than happy to send you more weapons.
We'd be more than happy to send you more vehicles to get blown up in your counter-offensive while your people have to die fighting Russia for us and we'll continue to arm you, but we're not actually going to lift a finger to defend you ourselves.
Ukraine really needs to ask themselves what's going on here.
Are you really dealing with people who have your best interests in heart or theirs?
Look, I said last week, sue for peace.
I'm saying it again.
I'll say it to Zelensky, I'll say it to Putin, I'll say it to whoever needs to listen.
End this war.
President Zelensky, Your people deserve better than to be blown up in the minefields.
End this war.
Don't trust these guys.
They lied to you once, they're gonna lie to you again.
Do you honestly think they're gonna put Ukraine in NATO while you're in an active conflict with Russia?
It ain't gonna happen.
It just ain't gonna happen.
You got played.
Now, I'm sure you got paid.
I'm sure you made out like a bandit, and I'm sure your condos and accounts down in Panama are more the wealthier because of it.
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We got Raheem Kassam on.
I want to get his response to this, but we're also going to get his take on his new podcast explaining what's going on in the horse race, and then Richard Barris has exclusive new numbers for us out of Iowa.
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Now, very excited to bring back on Mr. Raheem Kassam, the Editor-in-Chief of The National Post.
He just launched a new podcast called The Campaign Trail.
Two episodes I've listened to, and Raheem, I gotta tell you something, man.
I actually was so into episode two of your podcast that I Put it down.
Not 2x, not 1.75.
You got a coveted 1.5x as I was listening to that podcast.
So bravo to you, sir.
But I do have to say, can I get your take?
And I know that you and I, in addition to Talking about the 2024 shakeups, that we've seen this this huge news, I think, out of the NATO summit, this statement from Zelensky saying, basically finding out and of course, you know, we don't know whether or not this is really written for him or how much of this is prescripted, but basically blasting NATO for saying that Ukraine will not be given membership at the summit.
where they're all meeting right now in Vilnius.
What does this really send in terms of a message?
And are they essentially trying to have their cake and eat it too?
They're saying, we'll give you the weapons, we'll give you the materiel, but oh, by the way, we won't give you the defensive guarantees.
So go have fun fighting the Russians by yourself.
Well, I mean, I don't think you could take the leaderships of any NATO countries seriously ever again, you know, they're already hanging by a thread, most of them in terms of popular, you know, consensus behind their views.
And I don't think anybody, I mean, I think you'd have riots on the streets overnight if Ukraine were allowed into NATO overnight and invoked Article 5, because that would effectively mean a third world war.
And it's a world war for a lot of people while the polling still bears out.
The publics in the West particularly believe The Western government should be supportive of Ukraine in their fight against Putin's Russia.
They don't believe that the Western nations themselves should become involved.
And so they're having to tread a very thin line here.
And the person getting the thin end of the wedge is Zelensky himself.
He has proved unable to pursue any kind of spring offensive, just like I predicted there would be no spring offensive.
To any measure of success as far as either his Western benefactors or, in fact, his own public concerned.
And then on top of that, you now have this diplomatic fracas that he finds himself in.
And it's not just the content of the message, right?
Calling it absurd to not want a third world war.
But it also stood out to me that, hey, how come this guy sometimes speaks and writes in perfect English and sometimes speaks and writes in broken English?
So you're right to bring up, you know, who knows who actually put that statement together.
But what it does feel like is one of the most panicky guilt trips that you can you can try and offer up when you're losing a major, both diplomatic and physical fight.
No, I think that's right.
And I think, honestly, when we look at the situation on the ground, they're being chewed up in this counter-offensive.
There was no spring counter-offensive.
It's turned into a summer counter-offensive.
It's one that was not co-signed by any of the leaders of Ukraine's military or their Ministry of Defense.
This idea that they would just basically be flinging themselves at Russian minefields and Russian artillery has turned into a complete nightmare materialistically for the Ukrainians and it doesn't surprise me at all that of course in NATO they want full speed ahead because of course they've said publicly this isn't about having Ukraine win, it's about having them, this idea that we're going to degrade Russia And that we're going to degrade Russian armaments.
Well, who's doing the degrading?
And what cost is being borne by the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian nation in order to serve the needs of NATO?
And I'm not sure how that's helping other than the gravediggers in Kiev, which I don't know if you saw, there was some impromptu protest over the weekend because they don't have enough space to build graves over in Kiev.
That's the latest there.
Anyway, I want to get your take on that.
You're joining us today, though, because you've launched this podcast on the campaign trail.
I find it fascinating.
One of the best source guys in the business, after myself, of course.
But walk us through the latest episodes of this and what this podcast means in terms of the listener and then also, of course, how they can access it.
Yeah, so one of the things, one of the complaints that my audience, I guess, always make of me is that I don't do my own show.
And I have done in the past.
I think I either had this time slot in the past or the three o'clock time slot in the past on Real America's Voice.
And, you know, God bless you, Jack, because it's just not for me.
Doing daily shows like that, it's such a heavy lift.
It's much more work, I think, than people realize.
And it's also not the way I like to frame things.
You know, I'm a writer by my main profession and an editor of words.
But I don't mind putting together kind of these compendiums every week of, you know, it's between 45 and 47 minutes long every week.
And it's the major flashpoints of the campaign.
It's not just like, Hey, here's the news for the day, and certainly no offence to the people who do that sort of every day, it's just way too much work for me.
So I get to sort of distill the campaign world down and I wear several hats while I'm doing it, right?
So I wear the I've Run Campaigns hat, so I can tell you what's going on and why certain decisions are being made throughout the week.
And then also, I'm very well sourced within a number of different People would be surprised at who actually likes to talk and likes to say, hey, here's what I think we did wrong this week.
Here's where I think we're going next week.
And I think, you know, all of those things put together make for a very sort of cool inside politics podcast.
So it's at thenationalpulse.com.
I love doing it specifically because it's one segment I do every week called How Not To Campaign, where I focus on a particular thing that I thought Stood out for the week as a flub or something that might harm the campaigns.
And yeah, I think people are really seeming to dig it.
People can get it over at thenationalpulse.com.
So what, okay, so if you can give away some of your secrets for us, what would you say in the past week for the campaigns, I know you focus a lot on DeSantis but there's other campaigns out there, what would you say was the biggest flub of a campaign of the last week and then what was the biggest success?
Well, that's interesting because personally, I take a very dim view of the fact that DeSantis sort of retreated from the trail himself at the end of last week.
And that Casey was out there doing the majority of that, you know, mama's for DeSantis campaign launch.
That struck me as odd.
I think it struck most people as a little bit strange, a little bit the principal, the candidate taking a backseat to his wife on the campaign trail.
And the way she handled it, I think, was odd as well.
A lot of talk up there about her children and the tantrums they throw and throwing slime onto the ceiling of the governor's mansion and all of this stuff.
And yes, in isolation, those can be really funny and endearing stories.
But she went on for, I think it was five minutes, maybe a little bit longer of just like horror story about horror story about horror story, effectively saying like, hey, we're pretty poor disciplinarians as parents.
And I went to her tone in the podcast as well.
And her tone was that of exasperation.
It wasn't a mum telling like cutesy stories about her kids.
It was, it was, you wouldn't believe what they did this time.
And then, and then I had to do this and that and the other.
And it's this kind of rattled way.
So, so that was a combination, right?
Of, of, of Ron stepping back, her stepping into the limelight and it not going particularly well.
There are, there are things that I think campaigns are doing, which are, which are interesting and innovative.
And I'm actually hoping to have, Vivek Ramaswamy on a future episode to talk about how he's doing this innovative thing around donations and cutting ordinary people into that process of bringing donations, bringing funders into a political campaign.
That is populism, right?
That is populism in action.
So it's all kinds of things like that that I think, you know, you can listen to NPR, you can listen to, you know, New York Times podcasts, but they're only going to be telling you it with a perverse left-wing spin.
I don't think we have anything on our side quite like this yet, and that's what I'm really excited about.
I think it's great, and I also appreciate that you, in the same way that something I think about a lot is tone, and you've got the Casey DeSantis, the breathing, then in the first week of the episode, I got a little shout out because you mentioned how
Ron DeSantis was in his interview with Jesse Waters was eating while on camera and that's something which is just number one it's just rude and the number two for a lot of people and you know because you know me for some of us we just have that thing called misophonia where you you just literally can't listen to that.
That was something where I think you kind of you kind of aped it a little bit on the episode to like That was the part I went straight to actually.
Get out of here.
I had it on my car and I had it like cranked all the way up as I was leaving Wawa.
And it's like, no, no!
I almost drove into the back of somebody.
And it was like, great.
Thanks.
I think I texted you right after that.
Thanks.
So thanks a lot for that, buddy.
But when we get back, I do want to go through with you and handicap some of the latest moves.
Because there have been big moves just in the last 24 hours, even since then.
And who knows, maybe some of this will end up in the podcast later this weekend.
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Now Raheem, You know, something that happened this week that has been, you know, getting a lot of attention online.
I broke the story late last night just via Twitter.
Put us on Truth Social that Governor DeSantis, and I want to be very clear about something.
The Turning Point Action is coming up this weekend and it's Saturday, Sunday.
And we've got President Trump but we also have other candidates.
We have Viveka you just mentioned.
We have Asa Hutchinson who's going to be attending.
We have a number of candidates who will be in attendance and that we are featuring on the main stage.
We extended an invitation to every single candidate to be there.
Governor DeSantis officially declined that invitation yesterday.
And over on, so I posted it up that he declined to come in West Palm Beach.
And President Trump woke up this morning and then not only, I guess you say, re-truth, but re-truth my post and then every single person that had commented under it basically in response to this.
So a huge, huge response from the president.
But I have to ask you, you know, what is your take, right?
Looking at it as, you know, an outside observer on all of this.
Why not show up to a conservative event with young activists?
And what effect, if any, does this have on the race?
What message does it send?
Yeah, look, so Jack, in fairness to Ron DeSantis, he has actually been summoned for crisis talks by his donors up to the Hamptons sometime in the next week.
So probably he's actually unable to attend the Turning Point conference because his campaign needs a turning point, right?
His campaign is really, I mean, I cannot stress this enough because I've watched a lot of dishonest influencers over the course of the last 24 hours, less than, on the internet, like slamming Turning Point and saying, oh, you guys are all just, you know, Trump people.
And, you know, but the governor has done Turning Point events many times before and received, you know, riotous applause at these events.
I shouldn't have thought that there was reason for His campaign didn't necessarily believe that he wouldn't still be welcomed just because he's not doing particularly well in the polls and because he said some nasty things about the frontrunner.
I think most people are big enough and ugly enough, right, I certainly am, to be able to deal with things like that.
But there are two other corollaries to that which I think are dreadfully important on this.
Number one, you know, DeSantis and his campaign have been running not towards but away from populism over the last couple of months.
And you can see it in their fundraising, right?
They don't do the average $34.20 donation that the Trump campaign has.
They do the big billionaire donors.
That's why he's being summoned to the Hamptons for these crisis talks.
Where is our money going and why isn't the campaign going well?
And I think the other part of it is he's so incredibly, and I don't know whether this is coming from him or Jeff Rowe, his campaign strategist, or where it's coming from, right?
But they're so incredibly wantonly offensive In the way they treat people.
Firstly, in the way they treat MAGA voters, who they actually just insult them.
Well, no wonder you're not picking any of them up.
You're just, you know, your people are just online trashing them.
And also to the donors.
Because DeSantis is expected, per Charlie Gasparino's report from this morning, to tell the donors that he's playing the long game and, you know, not to worry, everything's going according to plan.
Well, that is contempt.
You are treating your own Donors and your own base, therefore, with utter intellectual contempt.
And I just it confounds me every time I see it.
And it's every day right now.
It's once or twice a day.
There's a major, major DeSantis campaign flub.
And I cannot figure out for the life of me how you continue to choose the bad response to everything.
Remember last week?
They put out that horrible gay meme, and everything you saw all week was DeSantis and the word gay in a headline.
And people do word association in their head, right?
And instead of just, like, taking the L and leaving it, they send him on a Fox Corp podcast with Tommy Lahren, where he's now defending a meme that is supposedly created by a third-party non-campaign person.
And the principal is out there defending it.
Just day after day after day, these people are showing, like, what apps... I wouldn't even say amateurs.
Amateurs would do a better job.
Amateurs could at least hold themselves above 20%.
He's now at 17% in the latest morning consult.
That's down two points over the last week.
It's terrible.
Remember what I said on this show a couple weeks ago?
I said, DeSantis to 10% by mid-summer?
We're heading there.
When you said that, I remember sitting there thinking, like, hey, you know, it's really nice that I'm the host of the show and I get to bring on people to make the predictions for me so that I don't have to worry about actually being held to account by them.
And I remember thinking that's bold.
I mean, I could see, as I've said before a million times, I think Trump wins the nomination.
But 10%, I said, he's been such a good governor, he's built up such a not only a financial war chest but a political war chest of capital and goodwill in his fights against some of these emissaries of the woke left that I thought for sure that it would turn.
But there was a moment that stood out to me That I don't think you mentioned on your podcast but it was very interesting and I sent a text to Richard Barris about this and he and I will be chatting right after you ask him about it as well but when President Trump Brought up Governor DeSantis's name recently at an event in Iowa for farmers.
It drew booze.
It actually did draw booze and I remember thinking this is a Republican event and at other times and of course President Trump's gone after DeSantis for I think months at this point, probably at least seven months going back to January, but this idea that or even before, but I've never heard that reaction from a even a grassroots crowd before.
Does that mean something has shifted?
Does it feel like something has shifted on the ground now?
Yeah, two things.
One, I think everybody who back when, whatever it was, November, said that Trump was wrong to be attacking DeSantis back then.
I think all of those people need to take a long, hard look in the mirror, because Trump knew back then what everybody else knows now, right?
Which was that globalist donors were backing Ron to put the skin suit of populism and MAGA on, but represent a philosophy that's totally different.
And again, you know, in the long run, Trump ended up correct.
The second part of it is, well, it was a Trump event, so naturally the person who's been attacking Trump back now is going to get some boos and some jeers in that audience.
But I think more interesting is that Trump's name doesn't elicit those responses when DeSantis attacks him out on the stump.
And that's a big, that's a more interesting juxtaposition, I think.
It just sort of goes to show you, and if you really want to get into the deep data on this stuff, you can, because a lot of pollsters are asking these questions, you know, prioritization, not just of your candidates, but on certain issues.
And the only one that Ron comes out even remotely tough on is woke and gay stuff, right?
Which is great, but it's not the be all and end all of being the next president of the United States.
And Trump comes up top on immigration, Trump comes up top on economy, Trump comes up top on crime, border wall, foreign affairs, you name it, across the board.
And these are the kitchen table issues.
These are your bread and butter issues.
And I think now that people have started to see that DeSantis is kind of like a one trick pony who has to wear special shirts so that he doesn't sweat through them and who's constantly going to placate his donors and all of this stuff.
I think they're willing to boot at this point.
All his goodwill that he amassed over the years of being a good governor, an okay congressman, all of that's gone out the window.
So Raheem, you know, let people know where they can go to subscribe to your podcast, to subscribe to National Polls folks, and I hope you know Raheem's in dire straits.
He's had to sell his camera, he's had to sell his microphone, in order to sell his suits, I mean he's wearing tatters, in order to be able to launch this new podcast for the good of the people.
What's going on there, man?
Are you in hock?
Is that what happened?
I am.
I am minutes away from doing these podcasts from the street corner, OK?
But the one thing we will not do is sell our souls.
Oh, well, I guess there's two things we won't do.
We will not sell our souls and we will not sell advertising.
The National Pulse is an ad-free website that is tailored to be attractive for the audience.
There are stories of 200 words.
Because that's the news, not 1,200 words because I'm trying to keep you on the site and serve you more ads like the corporate media does, right?
And so we rely on people to join up.
It's nine bucks a month, which is extremely cheap for what you get, especially because one of those benefits is the podcast.
That's the only way to get the podcast.
It's for our members.
It's my way of saying thank you and reading people into conversations and campaign talking points that you just don't get.
In most of the media, and in some cases, you will get nowhere else at all.
So it's thenationalpulse.com.
I'm always grateful for the time to promote it, Jack.
And you know, we have a community of thousands now.
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Help a brother out.
That's all I'm wearing down there, by the way.
There's a reason that we cut his mic.
Why is he still on the show?
We're going to have to go another couple of weeks without a Raheem Kassam appearance.
This is like the time, by the way, when I had Alex Jones on.
And I asked him, boxers are brief.
And then he just kind of looked at the camera and he goes, you know, most of the time, nothing at all, Jack.
And I'm like, and I'm like, Alex, boy, this is, uh, this is why they have to ban you everywhere, but we will not ban Alex Jones and we will not ban Raheem Kusama.
We will not silence anyone.
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Richard Barris joins us once again.
Richard, how's it going, man? - The troublemaker, brother.
I love that.
I'll take that title.
The Troublemaker.
You gotta be the Troublemaker.
I'll take it with pride.
Why is Richard Barris saying this?
Why is Richard Barris saying that?
And I'll say, you know what?
You know, what can I say?
Richard Barris might say something and he might ruffle a few feathers, but you know what?
He usually comes out on the right side.
So let me let you take the stake here for a minute because you were telling me all about last night and we were texting even before the show today.
About the state of Iowa.
What have you learned about the state of Iowa?
So, uh, there is the map that I sent over to you, and that really just shows, you know, the geographic representation of each candidate's, um, support.
And it's, uh, it's important for a couple of reasons.
One, the campaign for Ron DeSantis clearly believes they have got to win the state of Iowa, and they've put a lot of resources into it.
There's an article with Harry Entenow today on CNN that actually says, New Hampshire is probably more fertile ground for the DeSantis campaign, and Chris Christie seems to be the only one taking advantage of the moderates.
But here's the deal, Jack, where what we're finding in Iowa is what we're really finding everywhere, which is while Trump leads with conservatives, and Iowa caucuses are very conservative, While he leads with very conservatives and evangelicals, he's got a 30 plus point lead with Iowa evangelicals right now.
The truth is, nobody's beating with moderates either.
In the state of Iowa, working class, non-college, Trump's lead is literally 66.7 to 14.
Uh, he leads among those who have some college or an associate degree by about 51 to 20.
He leads with those who have a bachelor's degree, 42 to 21.
And he is down one point with those who have a post-grad, even though there are a ton of undecided, so it's actually very low.
This kind of marries what we're seeing nationwide then, isn't it?
It does.
It seems like the more college you have, the higher your professional level, etc., and work, that's more of your, and older, right?
And that's the DeSantis voter, at least in the primary, but everybody else, it's Trump country.
Yeah, let's talk about where it is.
That's why these maps, I love these maps, and you can always click on them, folks, if you go and check this map out later.
If you go to Locals, peoplespondent.locals.com, you'll find it.
If you click on each of the dots on the map, you'll find that that represents an interview, and you can look through detailed demographic data and their responses.
And this really boils down to Trump is ahead everywhere, man.
He's killing it in Dubuque.
He's literally ahead like four and a half to one.
Only place DeSantis has measurable support is in Iowa City, right?
So we're talking about the professional class and educated voter.
Iowa City, and he's competitive in Ames.
The two are pretty much neck and neck in Ames.
Everywhere else, it's Trump country.
In Des Moines, Trump is thumping everybody.
And here's the thing with that professional classjack that's important.
There aren't that many of them in a Republican primary, folks.
There's just not.
And when you're looking at a place like Iowa City, where there is a chance to carry it over the former president, he's splitting these people with Tim Scott and even Vivek Ramaswamy.
So, you know, it's not like he's got some dominant lead with that group either.
He doesn't.
So, there's just not enough, how can I put this?
You know, Trump is eating the majority of the entree on the table, and there just aren't enough of his left.
What's the top line?
Give me the top line number Trump to Santa's.
Yeah, this is a Trump plus 30.
You know, it's going to be 51, 19.
So, yeah, Trump plus 30, ballpark, you know?
So, this is, you know, again, what we're seeing just about everywhere else.
These, and ironically, folks, when we tell you DeSantis is getting to 20% in Iowa, that means, along with Florida, it's one of his top states, or just below 20.
It's one of his top states.
He spent money here in Florida.
He's obviously the governor, but he's struggling to get above 30 in Florida.
He's struggling to get above 20 in Iowa.
It's the same story everywhere.
And it's just the path is so much brighter and easier for the former president.
You know, I see some of these things and I have to ask because this is, Iowa is a state where We know that they've targeted this.
We've heard it from the DeSantis camp that this was going to be an area that they were looking at.
It's a state, by the way, where I do have a tiny bit of an insider perspective on it, not just because I'm friends with Benny Johnson, who's from there, obviously, but also people know this, that my wife, that Tanya Tay, one of the places that she lived after she first came to the United States was Davenport, Iowa, right there in the Quad Cities.
That's right.
And she always tells me that it goes from working class to rural.
There's a lot of farmers.
This is small-town America.
And I remember she said it to me.
She said, I think those are the kind of people that are going to vote for Trump.
I don't see them going for anybody else.
There's a lot going on right now, too, in Iowa.
You know, it's changed so much even since 2016 when Ted Cruz was able to edge out a small victory.
Now, mind you, I mean, the things we're hearing from the DeSantis campaign are really, you know, stretching the boundaries of reality.
Ted Cruz, when he outperformed the polls to barely eke out a win against Trump in the Iowa caucuses in 2016, he outperformed the polls by like seven points.
We're not talking about 30 points.
And he did it on the backs of evangelical, very conservative caucus goers out in western Iowa.
Trump actually did really well in the eastern city areas.
And now the problem anyone not named Trump has Is that you have the DeSantis campaign even trying to outflank Trump on abortion, outflank Trump on wokeism.
I was just listening to Rahim before I came on and he was 100% correct.
Yet still, I mean, Trump dominates among evangelical caucus goers.
He has a 31 point lead with them.
So there's just If you were to try to close that gap, to become more conservative than Trump on these issues, you're really going to hurt yourself going to a place like New Hampshire.
So take that into consideration when you're thinking about an argument somebody like Harry Enten's making.
Well, that's true, but it's true that there's more fertile ground with moderate Republicans that make a lot more money in a state like New Hampshire.
The problem is, They, Cruz ran into this problem in 16.
Trump is like conservative enough, like just conservative enough.
And even more so now that he wasn't 16, to win those votes that normally somebody would try to outflank you with, and then still not step over the line, that when you get to New Hampshire, and by the way, South Carolina is more moderate than you would think, when you get to New Hampshire, when you get to South Carolina, you haven't isolated those voters.
And I think that is a major problem and why some of these other voters who have been looking around, you know, the sand has kind of stepped over the line for them.
So now they're looking at other people.
You know, Tim Scott, Vivek Muramaswamy, you know, and for a while, Mike Pence has just completely collapsed.
I mean, Jack, wait until you see the crosstabs in this.
I just don't know where Mike Pence thinks he's going to win or compete.
I mean, this is absolutely.
So many of these campaigns are just a joke, Jack.
They're just a joke.
I mean, they should have no business running for president.
Hey, consultants are laughing all the way to the back, man.
Consultants are laughing all the way to the back.
We can't take the caviar out of the consultants' mouths or their children's mouths.
We're coming up on a break.
Get more into this with Richard Barris after the break.
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All right, Jack Posobiec, back here with Richard Barris.
Rich, so, you know, you were talking about the collapse of Pence, you were talking about how in other places there are other candidates that people are taking a look at, like Tim Scott, like Nikki Haley, obviously both of them duking it out for South Carolina.
But, you know, we find ourselves and, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy, of course, is racing up in a lot of these polls.
Morning Consult, I think, has him only eight points behind Behind DeSantis, there was another, I think it was Echelon, who had him even closer than that recently.
But I've got to ask about this question of this sort of, you know, drama that, you know, I find myself kind of close to because we have this huge event, Turning Point Action, this weekend, West Palm Beach.
And look, we invited all the presidential candidates, and as of last night, I broke the story that Governor DeSantis will not be attending.
He has declined the invitation.
He's spoken at many of our events before.
I was in the room with Tanya when he spoke last year, main stage.
I mean, he was throwing hats out.
It was a great event.
He gave a great speech.
He gave a rousing speech.
He was very well received.
What are the optics here, though?
Because, look, I get it.
I'm biased.
I'm close to it.
But what are the optics from a voter perspective of not showing up at an event like this?
It looks weak.
I mean, this is not, listen, because there's on the other side of this, you have a lot of people Attacking the former president for not showing up to Bob Vander Plaats' forum with Tucker, right?
But we know that that particular person is pro-DeSantis.
There's no benefit.
Turning Point's very different.
This is a huge organization.
It's incredibly important when it comes to not only the current movement, but the future of the movement.
It's been extremely influential.
It, to me, it really affirms what I even see in polling, which is, I tell you this all the time, MAGA is much younger.
MAGA is much more diverse.
And if you can't stand up at a turning points event in your own state, then I just don't know how you're going to handle the pressures of a presidency.
I mean, Jack, it's his own state.
It's his own backyard.
And this is the future of his party, supposedly.
And you're worried about them, Trump supporters, booing you?
I mean, never back down, right?
That's the mantra?
It looks bad.
So, never back down except for when there's a good reason, and it's sometimes back down, and then that turns into often back down, and it just looks bad.
Come on, let's be real.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is, you know, and I've been at other Turning Point events and I've talked to people even within the organization itself.
And, you know, there are, I'll just say it, right?
There are people at Turning Point who support Trump.
There's also a lot of people who support DeSantis.
There are people that will be attending the event who have endorsed DeSantis.
There'll be people who are speaking that have endorsed DeSantis.
Vivek Ramaswamy will be there.
Suarez was driving up from Miami.
Asa Hutchinson, if Asa Hutchinson could show up, the guy who's called for Trump to drop out, and this and that, I'm not even sure exactly why some of these people are in the race, other than serving donor interests.
Put it this way, though, the idea of anyone thinking that Turning Point is some Trump-only type of forum, I think it's just a wrong view on Turning Point.
And I say that someone who's attended a lot of Turning Point events, that you do get a lot of different people who attend these things.
And so I think it would have been a great forum.
Obviously, we would have loved to have the governor there.
We've always loved to have him in the past.
I'll defer to Charlie as to future events and whether or not there'll be a Turning Point debate or something like that.
As cool as that would be for Some of us to moderate, potentially, if anyone wants to throw their hats in the ring.
But no, Rich, going forward, look, I think that what we're going to see the next round of is a round of headlines saying Ron DeSantis to reset campaign.
Ron DeSantis to resetting and maybe some personnel changes, staff changes, that type of thing.
And this was, by the way, this was something that Trump did as well in 2016.
He had a lot of staff turnover.
Uh, before he settled on Steve Bannon in 2016, but let me ask you this.
What would Governor DeSantis needs?
And since he's his, uh, you mentioned Bob Vander Platt.
Uh, this is the Iowa forum, the, the family leader forum.
So he's going to be on stage with Tucker.
He needs a breakout moment at this thing on Friday.
Walk me through, what does DeSantis need to do on that stage with Tucker?
This will be the centerpiece now, since Trump also isn't going to that, because of the way Bob Vander Plaat treated him, that he is now the centerpiece of this.
What does DeSantis have to do?
We've got about two and a half minutes left.
That's such a big question, Jack, because the truth is I'm not sure what he needs to do.
Everything that he needs to do, is really in his power to do.
Or, by the way, in his nature.
He's not connecting with people.
He's asking people based on a questionable record.
He did a lot of good things in Florida that conservatives like.
But he's asking people to pick his record as the governor of Florida, Many of that, the agenda he's running on, was wiped out by liberal justices in the courts.
All the wokeism stuff, a lot of his, you know, the Disney fights, they've been overblown.
He's asking people to put that ahead of what they know they're going to get from Donald Trump.
And then he would even need to change some of his positions when you get to places like northern western Iowa, right?
You cannot have the economic policies of the old Bush wing of the Republican Party, which he has, right?
So we actually spoke to several farmers in this poll who said, I did consider Ron DeSantis, but then he made these comments about tariffs and trade, and this was big for me, and I can't trust anybody but Donald Trump to deliver a very different kind of Republican presidency like he had, like he gave us.
Again, there has never been a debate moment or a forum moment, Jack, that has Change the nature of a race, you know, like such as we see it right now.
You know, I think that honestly, and you know what, I'm going to skip saying that that's like a billion dollar worth statement, and I'm not going to make it for everybody to freely try to take.
But generally speaking, he is, you know, going to have to be the benefactor of a collapse.
And that's what he has always banked on.
And that's not gonna come as of right now.
So I'm not sure there is much that he can do.
That's my honest answer, Jack.
It really is.
It's my honest answer.
I just don't see it.
I appreciate it, Rich Barris.
Go follow Rich over at Locals.
You get more of his analysis.
And I'll just say for myself that Look, we all know how Tucker Carlson is.
He's not going to rake you over the coals, but he's going to make you answer questions.
And he's going to be serious, and he's going to hold you accountable to your statements.
And obviously the flip-flop on Ukraine is going to be something that certainly comes up in this discussion.
He's going to try to pin the governor down on what his stance is on Ukraine, on Russia, and all of this.
