June 20, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 499: JUDGE ROCKETS TRUMP TRIAL TO ONLY 8 WEEKS AWAY AS HUNTER IS HANDED SWEETHEART DEAL
On today’s episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, Poso dives deep into the latest on Trump’s trial as well as the plea deal Hunter Biden has struck that appears will apparently spare him any jail time. Joined by Viva Frei to examine the legal aspects of the case and Dr. Carole Lieberman to dissect he psychological impact on Trump voters, this is a discussion you can’t afford to miss. Jack is also joined by Michael Hichborn of the Lepanto Institute covering an important story about a Cath...
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Breaking news on Donald Trump's federal trial.
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Hunter Biden apparently has reached a tentative deal with federal prosecutors to plead guilty to two minor tax crimes.
And admit to the facts of a gun charge under terms that would likely keep him out of jail.
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Today is June 20th, 2023.
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I want to bring on now the co-host, the co-founder, that's right, I'm saying it, of VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com.
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Viva Frye.
Viva!
We have massive news this morning.
A sweet art deal for Hunter Biden and the same day that it's announced that President Trump's the Mar-a-Lago documents case is being fast-tracked just eight weeks away.
What is going on?
Have you seen anything like this in your experience as a litigator?
Jack, I'll qualify everything I'm about to say.
I'm a Canadian.
I was a Canadian lawyer, so I have no direct experience or training in this.
Barnes and I talk about it, I mean, every week when we do our Sunday Night Show.
On the U.S.
side.
On the U.S.
side.
Barnes knows the procedure, and I know the questions to ask.
You know, like, when they set this date, is it what we call a sort of a pro forma date, where it's never expected to be the actual trial date?
By all accounts, this is a pro forma.
You schedule the date knowing darn well it's going to get pushed back because they got to do, you know, document collecting, request for evidence, all sorts of stuff.
So I don't think there's any reasonable chance that it's actually going to occur in August.
But the news breaking the same day that this whole distraction, and I say distraction in that cliched sense, this indictment, the second indictment, but the first federal indictment, and this time they've got them, this time it's serious.
We've read the indictment.
Serious, serious allegations.
At the same time that Hunter Biden is now announced to have struck a plea deal for an investigation that had been lasting five years.
And before getting into anything, we need to appreciate what this means.
They've been investigating Hunter Biden for five years while simultaneously in 2020 Telling us or suggesting to the general public that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
People need to piece those two timelines together and appreciate that intelligence actively lied to the American people for the purposes of influencing an election and they did it.
No, that's exactly right.
They had this laptop long before we did.
We broke down yesterday on the show, and I'll put it out for everyone again, that at the time, they didn't even need the laptop to open the investigation because they had already had reporting from an informant telling them
about the same activity that is delineated on the laptop, and people need to remember that that phrase, the big guy, which we first heard about on the laptop, which we later heard from Tony Bobulinski, that it was the same phrase used for Joe Biden by the informant all the way back in 2017.
And remember, these payments that we're looking at are 2015-2016.
The FBI had this information the entire time.
Last word, Viva Friday, then we go to a break.
All right, no, it's stunning.
But hold on, we are not letting you go, sir.
No, no, I know, but it is just stunning.
People need to understand this.
Intelligence actively lied while they had a pending investigation.
They lied for years to influence an election, which it did.
Now it seems that they're prosecuting or persecuting Trump for the exact same things they should be potentially looking into Biden for.
But they reveal this as they disclose that Hunter Biden got the sweetest deal that anyone has ever gotten for felonious lying on a firearm application and tax fraud.
But what's behind the tax fraud, I think, is going to be the biggest issue yet, if we ever get there.
That's exactly right.
You had the same intelligence agencies that had him under investigation that, by the way, for myself, for you, for anybody else who went and lied on a firearm application, if this was for a pistol brace, if this was for a bump stop, whatever it is, we would be going away.
We would be stripped, number one, of our Second Amendment rights.
We'd have our guns confiscated.
We'd be in jail.
The book would be thrown at us.
But if your last name is Biden, If your last name is Clinton, there's another set of laws on the books for you.
And we're trying to piece together what those laws might be, as opposed to the laws for the rest of us, and then the new set of laws that they've invented, if your last name happens to be Trump.
Stay tuned!
We are here with Viva Frye, breaking down all of the legal analysis.
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Viva Frye!
Viva, I was thinking during the break, and on my sign-off just there, it feels like, you know, we always say there's a two-tiered system of justice, right?
That's become sort of the refrain for all these years at this point.
But I think we have a third tier of justice now, a third tier of justice that we're seeing, because we've got one set of laws, right?
One set of laws for the kulaks, one set of laws for the undesirables, the regulars, the normals.
Okay, that's one set of laws.
Then another set of laws for the aristocracy.
The aristocrats, the Bidens, the Clintons, you know, anyone associated with the privileged class.
But now we have a third tier.
And the third tier is for Trump, anyone associated with the Trump, anyone with, you know, the Trump world, the Trump movement, anyone who's even I think we now live in a three-tiered system of justice.
or an enemy of the state, like you look at like a Julian Assange, for example, a guy they're going after twisting laws, bending laws, you would put him into this category.
They'd love to go after RFK Jr. the exact same way, by the way, just for what he's doing.
I think we now live in a three tiered system of justice.
What say you?
I just say it's an interesting distinction.
You know, the laws for the hoi polloi, the laws for the politically privileged, and the laws for the politically disfavored, and application or non-application.
Whatever it is, it's lawlessness.
It's pure corruption to the point of lawlessness, where you don't have laws when they are applied in such willy-nilly or targeted fashions.
And, I mean, people have to understand this, like, with the indictment, I'm waving my hands around like a maniac, with the indictment, The agencies going after Trump are the same agencies that literally broke the law, falsified evidence, to go after Trump the first time.
People may have forgotten about this, but Kevin Clinesmith, FBI attorney, involved in Operation Crossfire Hurricane, they literally falsified evidence that they submitted to a secret FISA court to renew these secret unlawful FISA spy warrants against Carter Page so they can one step to spy on Donald Trump.
These are the same agencies that break the law for their two, three tiered system of application of the law.
And it's not like a tiered system of law.
It's pure lawlessness, much in the same way that what we see and complain about and criticize Russia for, it's what we're implementing here and what you have so many blue check marks on Twitter frothing at the mouth supporting.
Yay, we finally got Trump.
But don't, Mehdi Hassan from MSNBC is actually suggesting, complaining that the investigation into Biden, Hunter Biden, was politically motivated because it was a Trump appointee, but when you have an agency that has historically broken the actual law to persecute the then president of the United States, well, that's just, it's just Trump getting his comeuppance.
It's lawlessness.
There's no other way to say it.
And what happens when the world descends into a state of lawlessness?
People don't have any faith in any of the what were hitherto pillars of society, you know, the foundations of society, and it doesn't go good places.
Well, you know, Mehdi Hassan is one of these guys that he's a great example of someone who, he's not, you see, in another life he would have been a gatekeeper, but because the gatekeepers have lost all their power now, all he is is a regime smear artist.
He exists to be a narrative protector, not for the mass populace, because of course there is no mass shared truth, no mass shared credibility anymore, but all he exists to do is take his marching orders to smear anyone or anything that props up against the left.
That is his job.
That is his sole role.
That is the only thing they let him do.
That's who Mediasan is.
By the way, right after you, we are gonna have, later on in the show, An expert in mass psychology and psychological operations to walk through the demoralization effect.
That's exactly what you're talking about.
That's why they're pushing all this.
But I want to also talk about the fact that there are people who are frothing at this because there's been another psychological mass psychology phenomenon that we're looking at and you know what it is?
It's the mass emotional addiction of getting Trump.
The left is emotionally addicted to getting Trump and I believe that just like in any other addiction, step number one, numero uno, the first step is admitting you have a problem.
And if the left refuses to take step one and the rest of the steps, then they will end up at absolute rock bottom.
That is where we're going with this.
Viva, when you look at it in terms of the pathology, have you ever seen them with, and again, we're seeing both of these on the same day, that's why it's so, I think it's so startling for people who haven't been necessarily paying attention, but as I said before, if you are shocked by today's news, then that means you have not been paying attention, because you don't know what part of the movie that we're in.
The third act showdown is imminent.
The irony is that there was once a fact check in AP.
It says, you know, mass formation psychosis is not a real thing in the context of COVID.
And what experts do they rely on to confirm that mass formation psychosis doesn't exist?
Experts in behavioral psychology.
Mass formation psychosis might be the edgy term given to behavioral psychology, crowd psychology.
It exists.
And the fact that they have experts in behavioral psychology to confirm that mass formation psychosis doesn't exist is a paradox When you say that the left is addicted to getting Trump, I can understand that.
I view it a little differently.
And I just say that we're at a point now where people are miserable.
People are suffering.
People are struggling.
People are miserable.
And this distraction that is Trump is the distraction from people's own misery, from people's own discontent for, say, having maybe taken a certain medical intervention that they regret having taken, maybe having administered it to their kids.
And they're angry with themselves seeing what happened to their kids or to other people's kids.
And how do people internalize and deal with their own misery, unhappiness?
You've got to find something to hate more than your own misery.
And that is what Trump serves as in the crowd psychology phenomenon that we're witnessing.
People are angry with the corruption.
People are angry with the state of American politics.
They're The state of American military, the state of the American economy.
And what distraction do they have?
Well, they can't take it out on Biden.
They sure as heck can't take it out on the Biden family.
They don't expect any recourse to justice there.
And so what do they have to do to distract from their own misery?
Pick on the boogeyman, Donald Trump, who hasn't been in power for two and a half years.
Blame him for everything.
Blame him for Biden's current mistakes.
Blame him for Biden's current corruption.
And it's just the distraction.
But people who are now frothing at the mouth happy about this, Ignoring the fact that they were lied to at every step of the way.
They were lied to when it came to Hunter Biden's laptop by the same intelligence that they're now relying on to go after Trump.
They were lied to by that intelligence when they falsified evidence to go after Trump behind these secret FISA courts.
They were lied to when they opened up that crossfire hurricane and they read the Durham report and they still go back to the Mueller report and say, well, no collusion.
They have been lied to and they cannot recognize and admit and come to terms with the fact that they've been lied to by the people they chose to trust.
And so they have to continue their vitriolic hatred of Donald Trump, who, by all accounts, historically, did not create this big mess and did not, you know, almost averted it, but for 2020.
Well, he's the man who's trying to clean it up, Viva.
Now, I've got to ask you this, just, and again, we're all in the world of reading the tea leaves.
We're reading the tea leaves, so I'm going to ask you to do that.
And I think we need to talk about something very serious because I think there is a potential for this on the table.
Do you believe that in the same way that we are now seeing the same government That's telling Hunter Biden he will see no jail time.
He's going to get probation.
And of course, he's got Secret Service protection for the next two years.
They're not going to be.
They've got him in what's called the gilded cage.
Right.
So they're not going to let him go do any of those old Hunter Biden activities.
So he'll be on probation under Secret Service protection.
But what about Donald Trump?
Final word.
Do you believe that Trump will go to jail over this?
Oh, I think he'll get convicted over this, you know, unless the judge comes in and actually applies certain constitutional standards.
You had, as much as I like some of the things RFK has to say when he went back on with Crystal Ball and figure what that show is called, Turning Points, and he says, you know... Breaking Points.
Breaking Points.
And he says, it seems like a strong case, you know, except, you know, I take issue with the fact that, you know, a lot of this evidence, evidence in quotes, was obtained in violation of a fundamental constitutional right of solicitor-client privilege.
It's a strong case, except for how they got what they think is the most damning evidence.
Do I think he'll get convicted?
I mean, he's going to get convicted in New York.
He's going to get convicted here.
He's going to get indicted in Georgia.
When people said that the indictment in New York was, you know, the only one, I said, that was the first one.
That was the first domino that's going to create that momentum, you know, that gif of the smaller dominoes getting bigger and bigger until it pushes over.
That's the first one.
Because it set the standard, it set the expectation that this is somehow acceptable.
I do remain mildly optimistic that the general public at some point is going to say enough is enough.
I should also just add the biggest thing that I think is very fishy and convenient about the Hunter Biden deal is that I imagine it might put an end to certain more investigations which might have led to, you know, the 10% for the big guy discoveries because How is Hunter Biden making a million and a half a year?
This is the end of all that.
This is the end of the laptop investigation.
This is the end of everything.
We're not going to hear about an investigation of Hunter Biden.
I'm telling you, people are going happy talk over on certain other networks.
I'm telling you, this is the last we are going to hear about Hunter Biden and the Department of Justice and Legal Troubles.
Viva Friday.
We've got to let you bounce, man.
We have an expert in mass psychology that's coming up next.
Tell people where they can go to follow you and get more of your expert analysis.
Me, you can get us on VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com, Rumble, VivaFry, Twitter, that's the angry Viva Fry, the Viva Fry, and if you put Viva Fry in the interwebs, you'll get a ton of my stuff.
He's a nice guy, folks.
He's not the guy he is on Twitter.
I have to say that about myself all the time, too.
People are like, wow, you're so much nicer than I thought you'd be from your tweets.
I'm like, what voice are you hearing in my tweets?
You're like reading it with some other thing.
But you know what?
I don't think it's anger.
I think it's passion, and I think it's righteous indignation.
And Expert Viva, thank you coming on last minute.
I really appreciate it.
Everyone go follow, sign up for his locals, and make sure you're watching him on Rumble.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back with America's psychologist and expert in mass psychology.
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And I want to bring on And we were talking about this in the last segment and it's so fortuitous that we'd actually had this pre-scheduled for today.
We're talking about addiction, we're talking about demoralization, we're talking about a lot of these psychological features and yet we here have today with us America's psychiatrist Dr. Carol Lieberman with us to analyze what's going on because so many of us, Dr. Lieberman, we feel You know, and I hear it all the time.
We get the messages in on the show.
They say, I feel demoralized when I see the news.
I feel so upset.
I feel like there's nobody else who understands.
Is there an effort to make people feel this way?
What's going on?
What is afoot here from that perspective?
Yes, absolutely.
Every morning when I wake up, I look at the news and because I want to find something to write on Twitter that I feel most outraged about.
And really, it's one thing after another, and one thing not only to feel politically outraged, but crazy.
I mean, this world is just upside down crazy.
From giving drug addicts drugs or drug paraphernalia in vending machines, to the cancel culture, to New York charging a congestion charge coming to lower Manhattan, where Of course, the 9-11 museum is, you know, hint, hint, they want you to forget about 9-11.
So many ways.
This is just the latest way.
There is just too much.
It's an overwhelm.
And people are feeling helpless.
They're feeling hopeless.
They're feeling, you know, and of course, of course, the major thing is what is happening to Trump.
And, you know, as Trump says, they are not coming after me.
They're coming after you.
And I just happen to be standing in the way.
And that is really scary because, you know, I think we've all been, these Republicans have been holding on, and even independents have been holding on through Biden, through his dementia, to just another couple of years, right?
Until we would get a Republican president, notably Trump, who would fix things again.
But now, you know, with everything that they're doing, breaking all the laws, turning our country into a banana republic, all of that, You know, we're just losing hope.
And what's really scary is that this isn't happening in one fell swoop.
You know, this has been happening gradually.
And we are like the frog.
You know the story of the frog in the boiling water?
If a frog is put into the water, he jumps out.
But if the water is gradually boiling, you know, he loses hope.
He gets used to it.
And he doesn't jump out.
So this is a very scary time.
Well, I think that's right, and also when I look at terms of this, it's the drip, drip, drip.
First there's this indictment, then there's another indictment, and then I've got someone on TV who's telling me it's over, it's done, there's no way out, there's no hope, just forget about Donald Trump, forget about the Trump movement, forget about MAGA, the last eight years was a You know, just a just a bender that everybody was on.
It was a bad dream.
And now we have to get back to reality.
Now we have to go back to the old school, the stuff shirt kind of politics that we had before, where it's all secret deals behind the scenes.
The same way, by the way, as the secret deal that seems to have been struck for the president's son.
To escape justice once again.
And so, what can be the effect of these type of demoralization tactics on someone?
What are some of the symptoms that you would see if you're seeing these type of demoralization activities being run?
Well, people are giving up.
They're feeling as though there is nothing they can do.
There is this big, you know, it's the Obama-Biden White House.
Not just Biden.
It's Obama, I believe, pulling the strings of a puppet Biden.
And so it just seems like such a huge thing to go up against.
And now the one thing, the one hope we had, even they're even trying to push him down, even though, you know, two impeachments didn't work, they keep coming.
The things just keep coming.
So people are feeling demoralized, depressed, hopeless.
What's the use?
You know, what can I do?
And of course, that is going to push America down the tubes even faster.
If we all start adopting that kind of feeling, of course it's understandable.
I mean, the Hunter Biden situation, it is absurd.
Getting probation, not getting jail for all of these things that he has done, and particularly not looking into, of course the House is hopefully going to continue to look into it, but in terms of the Department of Justice and so on, not looking into the deeper issue, which is Who are the Bidens, who have the Bidens been getting paid by?
You know, what is the, they're putting our nation's security in jeopardy in order to stuff their pockets.
That's the real issue.
And if Hunter Biden gets away with it, you know, and basically Joe Biden is getting away with it, it just feels overwhelming.
And the solution to this is that you, well, first of all, depression is anger directed inward.
And so in order to get out of this mess, we have to take that depression and direct it outward towards the people who deserve to be challenged for all of this.
And I'm not encouraging violence.
I'm not saying that.
But certainly everybody has to get off their duff and start doing something.
People are thinking, oh, well, the other guy's going to take care of it.
Or maybe, you know, the local Republican Party or whoever.
It's up to every American to wake up and realize that our country is being driven into socialism, communism, the World Economic Forum dream, all of this.
We're not going to be owning anything.
You were talking before about food.
That's all a part of it.
We're not going to have food.
You know, it's a whole, this is a huge plan that is being enacted little by little.
And the time to act is now.
I think that's so true.
And I really am interested in this thesis that you have, that depression is anger directed inward.
And so it's these sort of tactics that essentially what you're saying is that they're trying to make us feel that we are lesser, that we are alone, that we are atomized, that we are individualized, that there's no one who thinks like us, that everybody thinks that Trump is bad.
Everyone thinks that Hunter Biden didn't really do anything that wrong.
That this is all a conspiracy theory.
And that's why they use those critical thought-stopping phrases like conspiracy theorist, like anti-vaxxer, like right-wing extremist, etc.
Whatever.
All the sets of phrases they always use to prevent us from actually engaging with these types of issues.
Because, of course, for a lot of people to engage with it, it's going to trigger something called cognitive dissonance, isn't it?
Yes.
Cognitive dissonance is where we're recognizing something on one level, but we don't really want to believe it, so denial kicks in, and we are pretending that something isn't happening on the other level.
I'll tell you the truth.
You know, one thing I admire about you is that you don't pussyfoot.
You like to tell it like it is, and I like to tell it like it is.
So, what's going on is BDE.
It's Trump's BDE.
People are jealous of him, are intimidated by him.
And basically, you know, psychiatric terms, Freud, they want to castrate him.
So what you're saying is they're looking for essentially a, I guess you would say, a psychological castration of President Trump and his, to use the technical clinical term of course, BDE, which is essentially, I guess you could refer to that as machismo, you could refer to it as Free thinking, free spiritedness.
They want you to go back into this sort of slave mentality.
We sometimes refer to this in online nomenclature.
There's a phrase called the NPC meme.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with this one, but it's this idea that you're a non-player character, which is a phrase that comes to us by the way of video games, where this is a character that acts as if you are chat TPT.
You are pre-programmed, You're running a pre-programmed script, you're sort of this insectoid, bug-like person who, you know, you're the worker bee who goes to your job, comes home to your kid in your suburbs, you root for the local sports team, you watch the local TV show, and you just go, you watch the latest Marvel movie, and you don't think about anything that's happening around you.
You don't think about the crime, you don't think about the massive increase in immigration and illegal immigration, you don't think about the deconstruction of our infrastructure.
Or if you're like me, you're from the Philadelphia area.
And when you see these massive super highways, like I-95, America's highway, talking to America's psychiatrist here, Dr. Carol Lieberman, who, and when we see this, this highway collapse and fall apart, we say, oh, it's just an accident.
Don't worry about that.
We're going to, we're going to go completely out.
We're coming up on a break, but Dr. Lieberman, I'd love to get your take on my, you know, and admittedly uninformed opinion about how it feels as though that to some people out there, they have this addiction, emotional addiction to stopping Trump, to getting emotional addiction to stopping Trump, to getting rid of Trump.
I'd love to be able to hold you over the break.
Are you able to stick with us?
I'm, I'm, I'm fascinated by this discussion because, folks, what we're dealing with are deep psychological operations, psychological phenomena.
This is how the brain is molded.
The left understands this.
The media understands this.
The regime understands this.
They understand how to press the buttons to gin up and energize their side while at the same time demoralizing, going after, and striking down The opposition.
That is the goal here.
That's why they do the raid at Mar-a-Lago in broad daylight.
That's why they do dual arraignments.
We're probably going to see a third arraignment.
We're going to see the perp walks.
They would put the handcuffs on if they could get away with it.
Understand the situation.
Understand what part of the movie you're in.
They are attempting to manipulate you.
You are There is a war on for your mind, as Mr. Jones tells us.
They want you to feel this way, but folks, there's millions of us.
Do not ever let them get to you.
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All right, Jack Posobiec, human events.
We are on with Dr. Carol Lieberman Schaaf.
She is America's psychiatrist.
This is one of the most fascinating segments that we've done because, and Dr. Carol Lieberman, I've got to ask you, why is it that you seem to be one of the only people that's willing to come out and discuss it?
Look, when I was in the intelligence community, All right.
We learned about psychological operations.
We learned about demoralization.
We learned about how to run these type of operations, not within the confines of the United States, but overseas, certainly.
And yet I see the very same tactics being employed by elements.
Remember Operation Mockingbird?
That was that was intended.
But why is it that it seems that you are the only person that's willing to come out from your field and talk about it this way?
Because most psychiatrists are cowards.
They are just concerned about their own life and their own, you know, theories and so on.
But I see, you know, I used to talk about actually all different kinds of things in the media.
But over the last years, as I've seen what's been happening to this country, you know, after Trump, now I am mostly focused on trying to, well, you know, it sounds grandiose, but trying to save America, trying to Trying to get people to wake up and realize what's happening to our country.
I am so sad and devastated by seeing some of the things like, you know, the way the flag is treated and the national anthem and this crazy stuff that's being taught in school, CRT, and getting kids to become trans.
And I mean, I could go on and on and on.
And so I'm dedicating myself to trying to, I think it's more important than of course i treat patients and that's a separate kind of thing but it's more important than any individual patient or any individual person is to realize is to try to get this country to to rise up to recognize to to save itself really is what i'm talking about um to not let me let me ask you yeah oh sorry but let me let me ask you though
when when when i get somebody because we get these comments all the time and i i read the comments i read the emails to human events this idea that and and humanevents.com of course is the site i'd love by the way and i'm gonna i'm gonna pitch it right here on air i'd love to see if we could get a column uh of Up at humanevents.com if you'd be willing to write something on this for us because I believe it's what's going on and I think that'd be very powerful for people to read.
But when people are faced with these feelings of hopelessness, with feelings of despair, with feelings of demoralization, and we've walked through how it's been pushed by the media and by the government, what are steps that people can take in their own life to be able to overcome that?
And is there a way out for folks to be able to get out of that of that funk of that demoralization that they're trying to put people into?
Well, first of all, you know, loneliness, which is an epidemic these days in America, but loneliness is makes it harder for people, makes us more vulnerable to all of these, you know, things that the government is putting down on us.
We need to gather in groups.
And that's why I'm saying, like, for example, obviously, a typical one would be the Republican, the local Republican organization in your neighborhood, you know, join with other people who are fed up or pick a particular issue.
You know, for example, we just saw something recently with the Dodgers.
You know, they were giving an award to this group that was very inappropriate and so on.
And they someone gathered a A group of people together to protest there, and it was very effective.
It can be very effective.
There was something in the news about kids in a junior high school protesting all the pride flags at the school.
Really, these things can work, and I think we need to make more in the media, make it more knowledge, make people more aware of the positive things that are happening, these protests and so on.
Where we can make changes so people don't feel so helpless.
Well, and I'll throw it right out there.
So I spoke to the DLA Dodgers Assembled Prayer March that was held there last Friday.
I was one of the speakers that we had.
We prayed the rosary immediately in front of the gates.
I've got my rosary sitting here next to me.
And coming up later in just about one month's time, we've got a massive gathering.
I call it the biggest gathering of Patriots since Valley Forge that's going to be going on down at West Palm Beach.
It's Turning Point Action.
And the reason that we're calling it Turning Point Action is because that's exactly right.
It's time for us to take action.
This is not just some political conference.
This isn't a convention.
This isn't a place where we're going to get up and just, you know, give a bunch of speeches and talk about how great we are.
No, we're done with that stuff.
We are going to be putting together a working group with the likes of people like Scott Pressler leading this, going into ballot activity.
Early voting, vote harvesting, vote collection, vote ballot chasing, and all of these areas.
Because look, I think the time for passivity is over.
And to your point, and let me ask you directly, is remaining passive a threat to demoralization?
Does that increase your risk of demoralization if you are someone who is passive?
Yes, the only way out of it is action.
The only way out of depression or demoralization is action, because then you feel better about that.
You feel like there's hope.
And as I was saying earlier, it's so important for people to realize how close we are.
I think you were saying that earlier in the show about how close we are to the edge, to the bottom, you know, especially with what's happening to Trump.
I was watching the interview of Bill Barr saying, "Our country can't be a therapy session for a troubled man like Trump." Really?
Look in the mirror, Bill Barr.
All these things that come out, you know, and yes, it is overwhelming, especially when you hear so much media coming out with the same Trump derangement syndrome.
It can be, you know, and people who haven't been political, People who feel intimidated by the idea of becoming political or protesting or something like that.
You know, I can understand that, but I think the key thing is people need to understand how all the, you know, a good example is CRT and trans in schools.
You know, we kind of thought, I thought, I mean, I'm as guilty You know, when when the George Floyd protests came and people start tearing down statues and so on.
And I remember I read something in the paper about how there was this archaeology or I don't mean, no, this.
Oh, what am I thinking of?
When you build buildings, this architecture, architecture professor who was teaching kids, teaching these college students who were protesting, Teaching them the best, the fastest way to topple down a statue.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
I remember this.
It was a thread that went out on Twitter, and then the reason I remember it is because then in Washington, D.C., the local Antifa chapter tried to use this to tear down the original statue of Abraham Lincoln, which is up in Lincoln Park on Capitol Hill, and then myself and another group of, shall we say, concerned patriots decided to show up and prevent them from doing so.
Well, that's great.
That's important.
I mean, that was just a shocking moment for me.
Like, really, there are professors.
I mean, of course, then then I started getting into it and realizing just how many professors are doing all kinds of things like that and worse.
But anyhow, it's it's not it's these things really have been in the works for longer than we realized that these teachers, for example, who are now in in elementary school, teaching kids about masturbation in elementary school and anal sex in elementary school and all of this stuff, which is so outrageous.
And so it's really destroying children.
I mean, not I mean, this is it's making children, you know, First of all, it's making children attack other children, become sexually stimulated and all that.
That's a whole other area.
But anyhow, these teachers apparently were taught this.
And I'm not saying all teachers are bad.
That's not true.
There are a lot of good teachers.
But some of these teachers have been taught these kinds of things.
I'll say it for you.
Years ago in teaching school, you know, learning to become teachers.
And we're now just seeing the fruit of all of these things.
We're seeing the poisoned fruit of the poison tree.
Dr. Lieberman, I'm afraid that's all the time we have.
What are your coordinates?
We are definitely going to have you back on.
This has been a fascinating interview because you were breaking through the psychological tactics of the left.
You can find me on Twitter.
Dr. Carol MD.
Carol is with an E. Yes, it's on your screen there.
Also, I have a website, The Terrorist Terroristtherapist.com, and I do a podcast, Terrorist Therapist Show.
I'm telling you, Producer Angelo, book her again because we need to talk about this every single time.
People need to understand the mass formation psychosis, the emotional addiction, the Stockholm Syndrome, the atomization.
Stay tuned, folks.
We'll be right back with an expose on hospitals.
The transgender craze has seized the world by the throat and is choking the life out of the bedrock of civilization, the family.
And this is happening right under the nose of the Vatican.
The largest Catholic healthcare system in the United States is performing sex change operations, abortions, and prescribing contraceptives.
And it's doing this with a Catholic identity provided directly by the Vatican.
A new report by the Lepanto Institute, Common Spirit and the Sex Change Industry, provides clear evidence of all of this and much more.
Learn the truth of what is actually happening in the largest U.S. Catholic healthcare system and what you can do about it by visiting Lepanto Institute.
All right, now folks, people know, look, I'm a practicing Catholic.
My family always has been.
I was out there defending Catholicism, defending the church in Los Angeles with the thousands with us.
But we've got Michael Hichborn on from the Lepanto Institute because unfortunately, just like we see Catholic charities pushing these open borders policies, Thank you for being on.
I wish it were under other auspices, but unfortunately we have this grim situation.
The floor is yours, sir.
Jose over at the Lepanto Institute on the largest Catholic health care system in the country pushing sex changes.
Michael, thank you for being on.
I wish it were under other auspices, but unfortunately we have this grim situation.
The floor is yours, sir.
How did you come to this report and what did you find?
So about sometime in March, somebody came to me with a tip that Catholic or Catholic hospital in California was performing sex change operations.
I I didn't get the name of the hospital.
I didn't get the name of the health group.
So, I was left with very little information.
So, I started digging a little bit and I discovered an organization called Dignity Health.
Which I had remembered from previous research I'd conducted, and I started digging into them, and I found that they were part of something called Common Spirit Health.
And I'd never heard of Common Spirit, I had no idea what it was, so I dove all the way into their background, I pulled up documents from their foundation, I got their legal merge documents, and I started reading through this thing, and found out that Common Spirit Health is not just a Catholic
The Vatican, one of the dicasteries in Rome, established what's called a public juridic person.
In the United States, it would be the equivalent of, you know, like a corporation.
And this public juridic person has the same authority as a diocese, or a parish, or even a religious order.
And it is through this that common spirit health has its Catholic identity.
So, its Catholic identity comes directly from the Vatican, and there is no authority except for the Vatican that can pass any kind of judgment on it from a Catholic standpoint.
Well, so I found all that background, but as I was doing this digging, what I also discovered is that common spirit health is dramatically promoting transgender ideologies, homosexuality, it's It's got the Dignity Health Network, which belongs to Common Spirit, and in that network, not only is one of their hospitals, St.
Francis Memorial Hospital, performing every element of sex change operations, from changing the vocal cords, to changing the bone structure, to changing the facial structure, to doing the genital stuff.
They're doing top surgeries, all of it.
They're also providing hormone therapies, and they are providing puberty blockers for kids.
And every single hospital network in Dignity Health, which belongs to Common Spirit, is required to refer patients to those institutions that perform surgeries that they do not, which means a Catholic hospital that doesn't perform sex change operations has an obligation to refer a patient to St.
Francis Memorial Hospital, which does.
Common Spirit Health, I also discovered, has given millions of dollars to St.
Francis Memorial Hospital for the performance of this sex change industry.
And there's a lot more to it, but, I mean, the nuts and bolts really is that the largest Catholic health network in the United States is performing transgender surgeries, it's promoting transgender ideologies, and it's financing all of this stuff.
That's exactly right, and the name again is Common Spirit, and so for everyone out there within the sound of my voice, I'm going to say this again, I'm going to be very clear.
We must, the same way that we exercise the demons at the L.A.
Dodgers Stadium, we must exercise the infiltrators from within the church.
Everything that you just laid out, Michael, is certainly not consistent with church teaching.
It is not consistent with church doctrine.
It is not consistent with church tradition.
This is not our history.
These are not our values.
And I don't think most Catholics, when you show up on Sunday, when you go to the parish, this is not something that people realize that when that collection plate comes around, that at some level it is going to subsidize this, are they?
Oh, most people are unaware.
We've put together reports on the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, on Catholic Relief Services, on Caritas Internationalis, which is the Vatican agency that is the umbrella group for international aid and development under the auspices of the Catholic Church, and we've been exposing the fact that these institutions, which receive funding from pew-sitting Catholics, are promoting contraception, abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, Marxism, the Campaign for Human Development
Was created specifically to finance Saul Alinsky's community organizing groups.
So this report on Common Spirit Health, which is getting more publicity than anything that we've ever reported, is really one of the biggest fears of the USCCB and a bunch of other establishment Catholic institutions, because what now is happening is that people are seeing there is a very serious problem in the church.
It's getting out there, and the reports that they've been undermining that we've been producing are now Getting widespread attention.
Nobody needs widespread attention.
Again, we must exercise these infiltrators.
Michael, we're out of time for the show today.
Where can people go to get the report?
Where can they follow the Lepanto Institute?
Go to our website.
That's Lepanto, L-E-P-A-N-T-O-I-N dot O-R-G.
The report is right there on the front page and we have a newsletter.
Please sign up for our newsletter.
We're going to go put out all the links.
Michael Hichborn, the founder and president of the Lepanto Institute.
Thank you so much.
You are fighting the new Battle of Lepanto every single day with your organization.
God bless you for being there.
God bless you for doing it.
And folks, we must be like...
The brave warriors of the Battle of Lepanto.
We will fight them like we did at Lepanto to defeat the enemy, not only on the spiritual side, but also on the political side to save our Republic.
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