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Jan. 2, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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EPISODE 357: EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH REP. MATT GAETZ AT AMFEST

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	- - Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to a very special edition We're recording this, as you can tell, on the sidelines of AmericaVest here in Phoenix, Arizona.
	I am here with Congressman Jim Jordan.
	Oh, no, wait, no.
	You're not Jim Jordan, are you?
	Taller.
	Better hair.
	With the hair.
	Not as likely to be a speaker.
	I should have realized.
	I don't know.
	This is Matt Gaetz, isn't it?
	Right.
	That's what I'm doing.
	Gosh.
	Producer Angelo, you told me it was Jim Jordan.
	This isn't Jim Jordan at all.
	What's going on here?
	Well, because we prefer the SEC states over the Big Ten states.
	Oh, snap.
	Oh, snap.
	No, we are here with my favorite intelligence agent.
	We're here with Congressman Matt Gaetz.
	Congressman, how are you doing?
	I'm good, man.
	It is always exciting to be here because you're seeing the future of the party and the movement and you're seeing very clearly what ideas get folks fired up to continue to participate and engage.
	I had a question just before we started this.
	And someone said, you know, what gives you hope?
	You know, what causes you to not get, you know, the black pill?
	How do you protect from the black pill?
	And I said, look around.
	You're surrounded by a sea of white pills right now.
	And no, that's not a... Oh, wow.
	Welcome to the last edition of Human Events Daily.
	We're both canceled, right?
	But it's, no, it's hopeful, right?
	So it's hope versus despair.
	And this idea that you look at these events, they're just getting bigger and bigger, the crowd, and it's something that The Charlie was driving for, and then bringing me, but also bringing Steve Bannon here this year, having the war room in.
	You realize that typically Turning Point had this, I guess, reputation.
	It was for kids, right?
	It was the student events.
	But this is not a student event.
	This is really an all ages thing.
	And I think they met their mark.
	Well, and we have to leverage the skill stack of young people who are able to do things in our politics now that, frankly, the boomer class of the congressional gerontocracy can't.
	Right now, political communication is driven in the digital space.
	It's not the drive town to town anymore.
	It's being able to have viral moments and Effective digital products.
	And you know, for a lot of these digital natives, it is exciting to see how those issues interface with our tools.
	Do you know anything about viral moments by any chance?
	Are you familiar with Twitter?
	I don't always know when they happen, but they do send to follow me.
	Well, no, it's it's it that's exactly right.
	And I feel like with the exception of yourself and a few people out there, it's sort of the AOC question that they don't that when she's up there, we might be laughing and saying, oh, she said something silly.
	And people on the right are laughing.
	But guess what?
	Everyone on her side, they clip that and they package that and they polish it and they only send the best part out to her side.
	My favorite trick that they do, by the way, and it's not just for her, they do everyone.
	They'll edit an interaction, one of these hearings where it's they'll have her saying something will cut off completely the response and then they'll play it AOC owns, you know, border security, whatever.
	And they don't even give the fact that he will respond to debunk every single thing she said.
	But you know what?
	In politics, does that really matter?
	Yeah.
	I mean, the new paradigm is from the left is to manipulate what you are seeing so that it changes the way you think and behave.
	And they now have a willing partner in the FBI in doing just that.
	So you can't really blame AOC and her handlers for trying to recreate reality in the digital world when our own government sees the value.
	Hate the game, don't hate the player?
	President.
	Not VP.
	I reckon so.
	And look, she's running for president.
	I mean, she's getting ready to run for president in 2024.
	She believes she but it'll be an interesting question regarding her age and whether or not she's eligible eligible.
	I don't think she'll be eligible at the time that she'll be getting votes.
	But by the time she would be sworn in, she would be of requisite age.
	And so, yeah, I think that she she would have an opportunity then to at least make a constitutional argument for her candidacy.
	Hey, I'm all for it.
	More the merrier.
	Please, please bring it on.
	Bring on the AOC presidential campaign.
	I mean, you saw this, by the way, with Tulsa Gabbard.
	You know, ran for president, Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg, right?
	Pete Buttigieg goes from being the mayor from Indiana and now he's Secretary of Transportation.
	Well, occasionally he's the Secretary of Transportation, you know, when he finds time.
	Right.
	No, I think that it has become a platform.
	And what's interesting is that there is somewhat of an, I think, a lack of understanding as to how this will go, because even if Trump has 30, 40 percent of the vote, a lot of those early primary states are winner take all.
	The delegates.
	So by the time a field would coalesce around a Trump alternative, he's going to have such a delegate lead.
	I think his path to nomination will be pretty clear.
	I know we're not allowed to advocate on this show.
	We're not.
	We're analyzing.
	We're analyzing.
	But let's let's talk about some stuff that's happened a little bit closer to to to market here, because we've got Speaker race.
	You've been outspoken.
	We've also got the RNC race, which I think everyone was kind of sleeping on the RNC race.
	And now all of a sudden, Harmeet Dhillon gets in.
	She's here, you know, at the event working, meeting the grassroots.
	Say what you want about Rana.
	And by the way, like, I don't have anything against her personally.
	I really don't think most people do.
	But I don't see her coming to the events and meeting people like I would see a Harmeet Dhillon do.
	I just don't see it.
	No, Ronna McDaniel is not a leader of a major political party.
	She is a chauffeur for donors.
	And that has allowed her to maintain the position for a requisite period of time.
	But we haven't exactly been winning where we should be winning in all of those cases.
	And whether it's the RNC chair or Mitch McConnell or the speakership, like, politics is pretty unique, isn't it?
	In sports, if the coach loses the games they're supposed to win... He's out.
	He's gone.
	In business, if the CEO misses projected earnings, the board replaces them.
	I mean, look at Disney.
	They just had a huge... Great example.
	Well, I mean, basically two regime changes.
	So they got rid of, what's it?
	Iskert, yeah.
	And then Chopra came in.
	And then he gets bounced out.
	And then the other guy comes back in because he actually gave an interview alluding to that.
	You don't usually hear that in the corporate world, where he basically called it, you know, it was the CFO and the CEO, the new CEO just forced him out, had no plan, went fully woke, ran the company into the ground.
	And you saw declining sales with all the properties across the board.
	And then they finally get rid of the guy.
	No, I'm going to point out, like, he's still woke.
	But at least that's accountability.
	But it's, right, some kind of accountability.
	Whereas in this room, if you put Ronna McDaniel or Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy on that stage, they'd get booed off of it.
	At this point, I could see that.
	And so when you have leaders in Washington... That being said, though, I could also point out that if Ronna McDaniel were walking around here, I don't think people would recognize her.
	I really don't think.
	And that is because she views the role of the party to facilitate contracts with vendors and donations from donors.
	And like, if Ronna McDaniel had spent the money she spent promoting her podcast on enhancing the skill stack of our activists, she She has a podcast.
	She does!
	I had no idea that she had a podcast until you just said that.
	It is quite something.
	And I'm in the podcast space.
	I'm looking at the charts.
	You don't know that she has one because she's nowhere near where you are on the charts.
	But even still, I keep an eye on who runs podcasts.
	I had no idea she was doing podcasts.
	This is the problem.
	They are focused exclusively on why people vote, and they are ignoring how voting occurs.
	Yes.
	And we need to do so much more to have real-time quick reaction responses.
	We're getting photobombed over here.
	Oh, what's up, Lauren Boeber?
	The most beautiful photobomb outside of Tanya Tay.
	Uh-oh.
	Yes, Congresswoman Boebert and my wife.
	Who, Bricksuit?
	Terrific.
	He is looking good these days, isn't Bricksuit?
	Bricksuit, aren't you?
	Come here, come here, so they can see you.
	No, wait, stand right here so you're on camera.
	He's looking good.
	Isn't he looking good?
	I like the hat.
	I like the cash.
	Look, we didn't plan this, folks.
	We literally did not.
	That's what we're talking about.
	Well, but on the Harvey Dilhon point, don't we need people with keen legal skills for the battle we are facing right now?
	When I, okay.
	I'll watch and I'm not going to name names, I'm not going to talk about Sean Hannity like that, but when I hear people complain about Mark Elias, oh it's terrible, what he's doing is so bad, what it's awful, it's ridiculous, I look at that and maybe it's because I have a military background But when I see the adversary come up with a new capability, then my mind doesn't go to, oh, I should complain about the capability.
	It's, okay, how do we defeat that?
	How do we maintain one of our own?
	How do we counter it?
	And I don't hear a lot of that from most of the mainstream pundits.
	Well, I have so many activists come up to me to say, you know what?
	Give me a territory where I can go and hunt down ballots when they have not been returned.
	Give me the church group to go to on Wednesday night to drive that bus during early voting.
	And the RNC doesn't function as a way to really bring those operational forces together and to put them into the battle we are actually in.
	Think about how the left does this.
	They vertically integrate their election strategy.
	Like they know in Maricopa County who the duty judge is going to be when you go file your injunction because they set that stuff up in advance.
	Meanwhile, we complain that people are going to steal elections from us.
	We watch like kind of crazy, bizarre things happen on election day, like voting machines not working.
	And then afterwards we act like these lawsuits are going to save us.
	And they aren't.
	They didn't.
	it again.
	Yes.
	Yeah, but they aren't going to.
	You have to catch them in the act.
	And I am here to try to really proliferate some of the ideas we used in Florida to fix this.
	Because I remember when we were the laughingstock of the country in Florida, we got paper ballots.
	So paper ballots.
	But then the key is real time transparency on how many votes have been cast in Florida.
	You can go to the website and see every eight minutes how many votes have been cast at every precinct through every methodology and what party affiliation has been reflected in the casting of those ballots.
	Now is this also because, and I hear Richard Barris talk about this a lot, there was a new law that was passed for deadlines, so that you actually impose and enforce deadlines on all of these counties, regardless of what party runs the county, etc., that they all have to meet these deadlines.
	And that's why a state as gigantic as Florida, we know the answer in minutes.
	Well, and because there are real time remedies.
	You see in Arizona, the theory that we're going to wait until weeks after election day has passed and then somehow go, go file some silver bullet lawsuit, I think is inaccurate and it does not comport with what we've seen in the jurisprudence.
	It's also, to your point before, and really the overarching frame, maybe 30 years ago, 40 years ago, that would have made sense.
	You hear people talk about, you know, civil war era elections and things like that.
	It just hasn't been like that in a long time. - Well, no, and in Florida, when those deadlines are blown, when transparency requirements aren't being met, you can walk into the judge that day and seek redress to put a local supervisor of elections office into receivership.
	- Wow. - That day, where you don't have to have any messing around.
	You also need people with guts who will fire the folks who don't run clean elections.
	Like, we hold the governorship in Georgia, and yet they allow in Fulton County a system that is unlike anywhere else in the state regarding how the ballots are handled, what the chain of custody is.
	And we have to have the courage to be called every bad name under the book, but to demand actual compliance with the law.
	And on that note, by the way, They're gonna say it anyway.
	When Mitch McConnell stood there and met with, I believe it was the families of the Capitol Police, and they were handing out those medals, and they refused to shake his hand.
	Dude, you can throw them all under the bus.
	You can say, I disavow, I condemn, in the strongest terms possible, this rhetoric and this person, and condemn that person, condemn whoever you want.
	They're still going to put all conservatives in that bucket.
	They're just going to do it.
	And to the point where I'm handing you a medal and you won't even shake somebody's hand, just a basic act of respect that I've met dirtbag left wing, you know, quote unquote journalists.
	And I'll shake their hand.
	I'll at least be polite because, you know, from public whatever.
	And they will not do that.
	So, all right.
	If that's the system, that's the system.
	But you've just cut to the principal discussion that we are having at this conference.
	Do we need to realize we've won the debate regarding what policies are going to improve quality of life for people on the border with spending policy?
	We've won the debate, but people don't hear us because big tech blocks us.
	So we have to take strong action there because elections have lower confidence levels than ever before because we see these irregularities that seem to never really get explained.
	And so I think we need to fight a lot tougher.
	I don't think we need to moderate the message.
	Well, and that kind of gets, it cuts into all of these races that we're talking about and all these positions within the party, whether it's Speaker, whether it's RNC, you need somebody that's actually going to be on the field of battle and looking at it that way.
	I mean, we all hear those stories about Tip O'Neill and Reagan going to get a drink or whatever, and Dashiell back in the day, but that's been gone for a long time.
	And you're on the Hill every day.
	I mean, there's some stuff that's cross aisle, but it's few and far between, it really is.
	Look, there are opportunities for the populist right and the populist left to work together against the corrupt establishment.
	And I am willing to engage in those discussions, even if some on the left aren't willing to engage.
	The squad, when I see AOC and she came out and Ilhan Omar and Tlaib and all of them, they will talk all day long about selling weapons overseas.
	And they'll talk about Saudi Arabia.
	They'll talk about Yemen.
	They'll talk about Israel.
	They'll talk about every country on the sun.
	But when it comes to Ukraine, where are they?
	I mean, they've become the NATO caucus.
	Where are they?
	Right.
	I mean, it was amazing to watch the squad go from believing that the military was racist to them supporting global military.
	And it was like, I thought that was one spot where I.
	I could see, like, I remember, I think I tweeted this at one point, and I'm like, I could see a Congressman Matt Gaetz and a Congresswoman AOC uniting over this because they were, they were putting out all this, all this talk, all this rhetoric, talking all this smack that they're pro-America, against the military-industrial complex.
	Ilhan Omar, every once in a while, will have, like, a good tweet kind of in that, in that vein.
	But when it comes to the votes, it ain't there.
	Well, it'll be interesting to see when they move to the minority.
	Will we actually get some cooperation out of the populist left on foreign policy?
	Because in the majority, they just sort of stuck together for the sake of sticking together.
	And I think that they sold out their own values.
	So they may have a renaissance.
	Well, which led to AOC having her little town hall moments that she had where, I forget who the guy, it was like some LaRouche guys or something, but they were running in screaming about, you're putting us in a nuclear war, AOC, you sold us out!
	No, they're actually making a good point.
	You promised a lot of things and you didn't hold up on that.
	"Yes, come on!" All of a sudden, you know, code switching.
	They call that code switching, by the way.
	I'm from Philly, so we can do that.
	But it's like, no, they're actually making a good point that you promised a lot of things and you didn't hold up on that.
	Whereas I can think, I can remember, 'cause I have a pretty good member for this stuff, All of the stuff that you've promised people who you're not going to take money from, stances you'll take on military spending, stances you'll take on expanding NDAs, etc, etc.
	And I've always seen you vote those ways.
	Well, look, I think that what is the binder for the corruption in Washington is the lobbyist and special interest money.
	It's almost so obvious that you don't have to say it, but when these members go take hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars from these special interests, and then look their constituents in the eye and say that it does not affect how they vote, they're being dishonest.
	And it happens on both sides.
	I don't take any money from any lobbyists or any federal PACs because I don't want my constituents to wonder if that's actually who I work for.
	That movement has been embraced by MTG.
	It's been embraced by Ted Cruz.
	I think you may see some of the new members try to liberate themselves from lobbyists and special interest money.
	If we do that, Maybe we won't need $500 million to go and underperform in a midterm if our ideas are better, if we don't sell out.
	But you know what?
	All these who want to go vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker, their leading argument is, well, look at all the money he raises for us.
	And maybe that, like, argument worked in the 90s or the early 2000s, but I don't think selling shares of yourself to K Street is some ultimate qualifier for the speakership.
	If anything, it ought to be a disqualifier for it, because the moment he were to get a hold of that gavel, he'd be looking to fulfill the commitments that he made to the donors, not to the representatives, and certainly not to the voters who see through his grift.
	When it comes to the question, and this is big for me, and every time I get asked by anybody when I get one of those phone calls and they say, what issue do you care about Poso?
	What's the main thing to you?
	You know, when you're Catholic, is it pro-life?
	Is it marriage questions?
	And I said, look, The way I look at this stuff is there's all the issues that I care about personally that made me want to get into the game or whatever.
	But if I can't speak about those issues, then it don't matter.
	And so I said, I just need tech.
	And I'll say, look, I appreciate Elon Musk for everything that he's done.
	But at the same time, there's a part of me that says, well, don't I still just exist at the whim of a billionaire?
	Right.
	That's why I have not celebrated the Elon thing as if it's Caesar returning from Gaul.
	Yeah.
	Because we should not have a system that relies on this.
	It shouldn't work out great for Caesar.
	Right.
	But it may not work out great for Elon by the end of it.
	I mean, we see the regime definitely turning against him with every tool that they have, and that's going to continue.
	But we should not rely on the whims of billionaires to be able to vindicate the values that are essential to American Exactly.
	You talked about the issue matrix and I'm going to put you on the spot because right now we are having these real-time deliberations in the House Judiciary Committee.
	- It's like an anomaly, right?
	This is not usually the way these things go.
	And it's great, but... - You talked about the issue matrix, and I'm gonna put you on the spot, because right now we are having these real-time deliberations in the House Judiciary Committee.
	What is your first hearing?
	Who are your first witness panels?
	And with what's going on on the border right now in Title 42 and the tens of thousands that are invading, there are a lot of people really wanting to get that border argument front and center.
	But I almost think maybe the first witness should be Elon.
	Maybe the first witness should be Elon.
	Elon with documents.
	Elon with a huge stack of like slack messages and emails.
	And I mean, when you, I'm just gonna say it, when you check the box to sign into Twitter and it says specifically anything you post on this, anything you post on this site, any communication that you give up your rights to be able to see that includes DMs.
	So Elon Musk actually purchased the DMs of every journalist that has a Twitter account.
	And no, I'm not saying that, you know, the new Congress should go and subpoena any of that.
	But what I am pointing out is that we have to look at Twitter.
	And I've said that Steve and I are going back and forth over who said this first about Twitter being a crime scene.
	But the amount of, and I think, again, I always think of this stuff as an intel officer.
	What's the collection ability to us that, Elon, you open that door and all of a sudden, if I can think of, all right, let's actually talk about the operations that were being run on Twitter.
	Let's see who was telling these journalists to print a story about Russiagate or plan a story about Matt Gaetz or plan a story about whoever.
	Let's look at all of these things that may have affected elections.
	I remember when Jake Tapper, Yes.
	New York Post to delete their tweets about the Hunter Biden laptop.
	Who was he talking to in that time period?
	Was there anyone that suggested that to him?
	Do they have ties to foreign governments?
	Do they have ties to the Intel Committee?
	I'd love to know that.
	Right.
	Well, and there'll be pattern recognition in that exercise.
	Yes.
	Because it ain't just going on at Twitter.
	They're pulling the same at Google.
	It's all over.
	And when we pull the string there.
	There is a YOLO at every single one of these organizations.
	You want to talk about a guy that was just a patsy.
	I mean, he'd be the first guy at Target.
	Come on.
	And you will see things manifest at Meta, at Google, Amazon, other places that we're going to discover through the Twitter investigations.
	Because one thing we know about the national security state, they're not creative enough to run different ops into those.
	No, it's the same.
	They finished their Twitter video or they're doing a zoom call with Twitter.
	They hang that up and then they call Facebook and then they call Google and then they call Amazon and then they call the whoever.
	Right.
	Elvis Chan.
	Yes.
	Did not think of this on his own at the FBI.
	You know, he was the FBI point of contact for a lot of these Twitter meetings.
	But we're going to find out from Elvis Chan who placed the order, who made the call that this was now a national strategy to try to fuse big government, big media and big tech against the American people.
	Which, and I've got to say it, that, you know, again, not advocating, but when President Trump came out and gave that policy speech last week, again, policy, talking about defunding the entire, I call it the disinformation archipelago, any organization that receives federal funding, any organization that, which includes, by the way, Stanford, Harvard, all these universities, that has any tie whatsoever to the censorship of freedom of speech or any government agency that's involved in it,
	I thought it was pitch perfect.
	I really thought it was the best speech.
	And, you know, people were complaining about the NFT thing, et cetera, because it came out on the same day.
	But if you actually just go back and watch that speech, I don't think I've heard anyone at that level talk like, you know, like it was basically like something I would say.
	Yeah.
	And I don't think that the American people realize that they are funding this offense against themselves.
	Yeah.
	And that's what President Trump exposed.
	And the one thing we've always got to give to President Trump, he causes people to expose themselves.
	That's right.
	And it might be as great a superpower.
	It's it's it's right, left, center, whatever he recognizes.
	He reveals you and then people say he's a counter puncher and that's true, but he always kind of gets his opponents to like blow themselves off.
	And then he drives them nuts, then they implode and then he wins kind of by default because they're out.
	So another big debate, and I know I'm interviewing you now, but another big debate that we're having in dealing with big tech is, do you treat them a lot like the tobacco companies where you like strip their defenses and send the trial lawyers after them?
	Do you treat them like public utilities and regulate them?
	Or do you just break them up?
	I mean, like we did Bell South.
	Some say you have to totally, like, if you have not forced Meta to break up, if you have not forced Google to get out of both the email and search business, you have not done enough.
	I mean, if you break them up, it just it just shifts the problem into one big problem into a bunch of little problems.
	I don't think it actually solves the case.
	It doesn't get you where you need to go.
	That being said, I mean, what did they say about, you know, if thousands of tyrants nearby instead of one tyrant in an ocean away?
	In China, they say the mountain is high and Beijing is far away.
	But it's also the idea of Because we have to fundamentally look at these as different than we would look at any other.
	So would you regulate them like public utilities?
	That's what I'd lean towards.
	But because it reminds me of the railroad argument, that there was nothing like a railroad before there were railroads.
	And so we had to come up with a new way of thinking in terms of how these things operated.
	When I look at this, I think about my kid, right?
	I think about my four-year-old.
	He will.
	There will be no fundamental difference.
	Your 4-year-old gets a lot of play on Human Events Daily.
	I know, right?
	But think about it, right?
	Because I think about him, and then I pop it out.
	And this will end on this, but he will have no fundamental difference.
	In his life, between picking up the phone and calling someone, versus hitting up somebody on social media, versus FaceTiming somebody, to him it's all the same thing.
	To him it's all the exact same thing, and it is communication.
	And so, whether that fits the framework of public utility, the way we think about it should be the way that we think about interactive communications.
	I'd break them off.
	We'll have to have another episode to devote to this.
	I don't think it's either.
	It has to be one, you know, one or the other either.
	Yeah.
	I just don't think that the section 230 reform is sufficient.
	It may be necessary, but not sufficient because, uh, look, I mean, you need a full on declaration.
	Right, right.
	A doctrine, really.
	A doctrine about whether or not cancellation from the digital world is just going to be something that we leave to the terms of service.
	I think you do that in terms of digital Bill of Rights.
	You do that in terms of data portability.
	I should own my data.
	My digital footprint, I should own the rights to that the same way that I own the rights to my own likeness, to my own self, everything else.
	Well, they call Kevin McCarthy Big Tech's best friend, so if I can stop him from being speaker, maybe we can debate these issues on upcoming committees.
	Fire words over here.
	All right, I think that's just about all the time we have.
	Congressman Gates, thank you so much.
	Oh, thank you, Jack.
	Appreciate it.
	I almost called him Congressman Jordan again, but I figured I'd give him a cat.
	Hey, you know, I'm the Robin to Jordan's Batman.
	The Robin, Jordan's Batman.
	Okay, all right.
	Not Ace and Gary, though, right?
	I've seen the meme.
	Thank you very much.

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