Dec. 18, 2022 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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SUNDAY SPECIAL: WHO REALLY SHOT JFK? WITH ROGER STONE
On this week Sunday Special, Jack Posobiec is joined by none other than Roger Stone in a deep dive into President John F. Kennedy’s assasination. Were there in fact multiple shooters? Was Lee Harvey Oswald an intelligence asset? What would the United States look like today if JFK wasn’t killed? All these questions and more, all information, no static on this can’t miss edition of Human Events Daily.Here’s your Daily dose of Human Events with @JackPosobiec Save up to 65% on MyPillow produ...
- Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's Sunday special with Human Events.
And we have on someone who's very special joining us today this Sunday, It's Roger Stone, longtime, iconic, legendary political operative, but also, also an acclaimed author.
And there is a piece that came out recently in the news Roger Stone wrote an entire book all about the investigation and what really happened, and we've got him here for the Sunday special.
classification of files regarding the JFK assassination.
But what many people may not realize is that Roger Stone wrote an entire book all about the investigation and what really happened.
And we've got him here for the Sunday special.
Roger, thank you so much for joining us.
Jack, thanks very much for having me.
So let's get into the top of it here.
What's the latest?
What are these files that Biden has classified and why are they continuing to hold this back?
In 1978, the Congress, under intense fire, formed something called the House Intelligence Select Committee on Assassinations.
And the purpose of it was to reexamine the assassinations of not only President John F. Kennedy, but also Dr. Martin Luther King.
And in that reexamination and hearings, since most of the people staffing that committee had come from the investigation of organized crime, on the one hand, they debunked the Warren Commission theory that Oswald was alone, they debunked the Warren Commission theory that Oswald was alone, not gunman, communist acting alone.
the problem.
They declared that organized crime was involved in the murder of Kennedy, but then they went no further.
In other words, they left us hanging on the rest.
At that time, they passed a law that said in 2017, some 25 years later,
All of the documents pertaining to the murder of JFK would become declassified unless the President of the United States filed an objection, in which case the President had the authority to kick the can down the road and set up a future date to re-examine and release the material.
So in 2017, relatively early in his first term, That date rolled around and Donald Trump was in the White House.
I contacted him.
I asked him, what are you going to do about the JFK documents?
And he said, what are you talking about?
I said, well, under the assassinations records law, all this material is going to become made public unless you decide otherwise.
And he said, why hasn't anyone brought this to my attention?
I said, well, that's really a question for your staff, sir, but we're only a couple of weeks away from the release date.
He said, I don't think this is right.
I said, it's definitely right.
I would ask you to look into it and see what you think.
And he came back to me about a week later and he said, well, you're absolutely right.
This material is scheduled for declassification.
You know, they, they don't want me to release it.
By they, I take that to mean the intelligence agencies.
And I say, well, what could possibly be their argument?
They said, and he said, it will expose our sources and methods.
Well, first of all, our sources are all dead.
There's nobody who is directly involved at any level in the assassination of John Kennedy who's living.
And secondarily, Uh, if the United States government was, as I believe, actively involved in the murder of a president, well, that's a method we as citizens need to know about.
So what then subsequently happened was, um, Trump did release roughly 80% of the documents, and we found out some shocking things.
For example, Lee Harvey Oswald had gotten a 1099 from the FBI.
That's because he had been on their payroll.
He was an informant.
Lee Harvey Oswald So there's a lot of stuff there that historians poured through.
that is run by the Central Intelligence Agency in North Carolina.
That's how he learned to speak Russian.
We learned about President Lyndon Johnson's early membership in Texas in the Ku Klux Klan.
That was among the documents that were included.
So there's a lot of stuff there that historians poured through.
There was a lot of interesting data, but even he, Trump, held back 20% of the documents.
When I had the occasion to ask him about that, I said, why didn't you let it all out?
And he said, I can't tell you.
It's so horrible.
You wouldn't believe it.
Someday you'll find out.
And that was the sum total of it.
He didn't want to talk about it any further.
Fast forward now, so he kicked the can down the road to President Joe Biden.
The new date set by Donald Trump to re-review when these documents should be released was several weeks ago, and no surprise, once again, Joe Biden has decided to conceal this information from the American people.
So we have this missing 20% that's still outstanding.
It's still staying out from us, still staying away.
You mentioned before that you believe the U.S.
may have been involved, the U.S.
government.
And the title of the book, I mean, you put it right out there, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.
And Roger, I don't know if I've ever told you this, but I actually sat and read this book
When I was still in the Navy, while amid ships, in my bunk, you know, on my bunk bed, on a Navy ship, just sitting there paging, actually I had an e-copy of it, so I had it on my Kindle, because you couldn't get too much stuff in your sea bag, and I read this thing cover to cover, as it were, while sitting on a Navy ship, and realizing that there's so much that even Oliver, it wasn't enough for Oliver Stone to fit it all in the movie, so I guess we needed Roger Stone to come out and give us the rest.
Kindly enough, after Oliver Stone read my book, he actually sent me a note in which he said, had he known a lot of the things that I brought to the fore in my book, he would have included them in his movie, that he didn't really understand the central role that Lyndon Johnson played in the murder of John F. Kennedy.
So, look, I make a compelling argument using eyewitness evidence, fingerprint evidence, Deep Texas politics, and a huge amount of what I admit to you is circumstantial, but I think compelling evidence that Lyndon Baines Johnson is the man who had the motive, means, and opportunity to kill John F. Kennedy.
His motive was the most obvious.
He was under investigation, E. Johnson, in the Bobby Baker scandal.
Bobby Baker was the sergeant of the U.S.
Senate.
The Senate hearings into Bobby Baker opened on November 22, 1963.
corruption regarding Senate appropriations flowed through Baker.
The Senate hearings into Bobby Baker opened on November 22nd, 1963.
Throughout the day of Kennedy's assassination, Johnson was on the phone back to Washington to see if his names had come up yet in the hearing.
But the other scandal, the scandal that was a much bigger scandal, was the Billy Sal Estes Billy Sal Estes was a flamboyant Texas dealmaker, wheeler-dealer, who would ultimately go to prison for his crimes.
And Johnson had gotten enormous federal grain storage contracts from which Sal Estes made millions.
And so did his silent partner, Lyndon Baines Johnson.
I went to one of the book signings by Robert Caro, who's written a multi-volume Pulitzer Prize-winning biography of Lyndon Johnson, and I asked him, how is it possible that Billy Solstice is not even mentioned in any of those books?
P.S.
took the fall, did time.
When he did, after he got out of prison, he put forward a series of statements which implicate Lyndon Johnson in the murder of John F. Kennedy.
Needless to say, those got very little media coverage at the time.
Now, remember, and we'll dig into this and peel it back a little bit because it's a very interesting theory of the case.
And I think it's also something that a lot of people have circled around, even from the moments of when it initially happened.
Of course, obviously, the USSR, the involvement of Harvey Oswald and some of these Cuban groups made him a perfect smokescreen.
But then at the same time, and even myself looking at it, Many years after the fact, it's once Jack Ruby takes the shot at Oswald, suddenly it begins asking the question, it's everyone asking the question, what's really going on here?
And was this really the only person who was involved in a lucky shot on the President of the United States?
And I think it's something where, you know, when people talk about murder mysteries and conspiracies, it really is the one that
Everyone comes back to that the minute you begin opening up this door, that suddenly so much information spills out, it's in the midst of the raucous 60s, a time of great change, a time of great upheaval, great tensions, obviously the Cuban Missile Crisis going on at the time, the Cold War is in full swing, and so it is a time when we also know I had a conversation when I was working for former President Richard Nixon.
of their powers and the peak of their influence, at least from a physical perspective, within the United States and certainly within the US government.
And so we're coming up on our first break here.
But Roger, what was it that drove you to write this book in just a minute? - I had a conversation when I was working for former President Richard Nixon.
It was a conversation in which he had a couple cocktails and I asked him point blank, who killed John F. Kennedy?
Kind of shuddered and said, let me put it to this way.
Lyndon and I both wanted to be president.
The difference was I wasn't willing to kill for it.
Wow.
There it is.
Wow.
And talk about someone who did, by the way, actually have their election stolen, not the later election, but the first election, that of 1960, which has all come out and I think people widely acknowledge.
But at the same time, we're not allowed to talk about things that may have happened recently, only things that happened far, far in the past.
Stay tuned.
We're going to be right back with our continuing coverage, this special of Who Shot JFK?
with Mr. Roger Stone.
Roger, let's wind back the clock.
November 22nd, 1963.
Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas.
We've seen the film.
We've seen the Zabruder film, Jackie Onassis, her actions, her face after.
What happened prior to that motorcade driving through the plaza?
Not just what happened in the video, but what really happened?
Well, first of all, it's important to understand the whole purpose of Kennedy's trip to Texas, which is insisted on by Vice President Lyndon Johnson, is to bind up a division in the Texas Democratic Party between the old conservative Bourbon wing of the party, represented by Lyndon Johnson, and the more liberal progressive wing of the party, with a growing Hispanic constituency, Headed by Ralph Yarborough.
So the idea is that Kennedy would go to Dallas, be seen with the leaders of both wings of the party, to bind the party.
It is Lyndon Johnson's then Chief of Staff, John Connolly, then Governor of Texas after he was Chief of Staff to Senator Johnson, later Secretary of the Treasury under President Richard Nixon, Who insists on the route through Dealey Plaza.
Kennedy had stayed the night, the previous night, in Fort Worth in a hotel.
He's driving from Fort Worth to the Merchandise Mart in Dallas.
The route through Dealey Plaza is neither the most direct route nor is it the safest route because the Secret Service manual specifically prohibits The presidential limousine from ever coming to a full stop in Dealey Plaza.
Not only does the limousine have to come to a full stop, it has to make a hard right turn.
But under the Secret Service manual, the buildings on both sides of the street are supposed to have been searched, cleared, and sealed.
That hasn't happened.
They're supposed to be plainclothes Secret Service agents In the crowds on both sides.
That doesn't happen.
There's supposed to be a motorcycle escort of six motorcycles, three each abreast of the presidential limousine.
There's only one motorcycle and it is behind the presidential limousine in violation of the manual.
And then, of course, there's supposed to be two Secret Service agents On the back bumper of the car, you can go to YouTube and see one of them being told by his superior to stand down.
He shrugged his shoulders.
So, all of the Secret Service protocols, all of which had been followed in Kennedy's trips to Chicago and Miami in the days just prior to the trip to Texas, are violated in this particular case.
I establish in my book That an attorney for Lyndon Johnson had obtained the Secret Service manual early in the Kennedy presidency.
In fact, on Inauguration Day 1961, a bitter, bitter cold day in which Washington had been hit by a blizzard at the outdoor ceremony in which Kennedy is sworn in.
After Kennedy is sworn in, Lyndon Johnson is sworn in as vice president.
Presidential speechwriter Ted Sorensen turns to Sergeant of Arms and Lyndon Johnson Lieutenant Bobby Baker and says, well, congratulations, Bobby.
Bobby Baker says, John F. Kennedy will live a or die a premature and violent death.
And he storms away there.
There you have it, folks.
So there's there's all of this.
tension and And at the same time, when you look at the JFK assassination, there's so many competing theories out there in the various research communities, Oliver Stone has his opinion, Jake Tapper will always come in and make sure to defend the official version of events.
every time anyone talks about this.
It's almost like it's like he's being told that he has to say something about this.
Very interesting.
But Jake is someone I keep an eye on as the leaker of the dossier and the validator of the dossier, as we all remember from 2016, 2017.
So, you know, Roger, what would you say then to folks that come to you and say, well, Stone, you've got it completely wrong.
It was it wasn't LBJ.
It was it was the mob or it was the banks or it was the Soviets or it was the Langley.
You're you're barking up the wrong tree.
LBJ would never do that.
He may have been a little kooky later on in years, but he wouldn't do something like this.
Look, I built my book on the shoulders of many, many others.
In other words, I don't think any of those people are wrong.
The military, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies, and the Pentagon, their motive is quite simple.
It's the Bay of Pigs, which is a failed military invasion of Cuba.
for which they blame John F. Kennedy.
What hasn't been written is that plan included the use of 29 Panamanian flagged bombers that were supposed to be piloted by Cuban pilots that were supposed to take off from Panama to provide air cover for the men storming the beach.
For reasons that are unknown, Charles Cable, the number two man at the CIA, whose brother Earl Cable just happens to be the mayor of Dallas in a Lyndon Johnson intimate, canceled the air cover.
The last minute, the generals and the Joint Chiefs are telling JFK, well, you've got to send in the Air Force.
That's the only way to save this operation.
Kennedy had only green-lighted the Bay of Pigs on the condition that we had plausible deniability that this was an indigenous Cuban uprising, not a U.S.
invasion.
Uh, they also blame Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis.
The narrative you've been told that brave Jack and Bobby Kennedy faced down Nikita Khrushchev and he removed the missiles from Cuba, thus averting World War III, Ignores what we learned 40 years later, but which was at that time classified.
We removed our missiles from Turkey and Italy in a bargain, changing the balance of power in Europe in return for a pledge from Khrushchev to remove the missiles from Cuba.
So there's great trepidation that Kennedy is soft in the intelligence agencies.
As far as organized crime is concerned, Lyndon Baines Johnson was on the pad for organized crime.
He was being paid by Carlos Marcello, who ran the mob in both Louisiana and Texas to protect the gambling dens that were running Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio.
A man named Jack Haufer was the bag man delivering Johnson's payments.
Haufer received a presidential pardon, by the way, on November 23, 1963.
Convenient.
Those who say the bankers were upset, yes, John and Robert Kennedy were insisting on a silver or gold-backed dollar.
The Rothschilds were not happy about this.
They wanted to move towards paper money, which has been the ruination of our system.
Big Texas Oil, their chief water carrier in Washington, D.C.
is, of course, the senator from Texas, later the vice president.
Lyndon Baines Johnson.
But as far as the FBI and the CIA are concerned, the CIA's black box budget is controlled by the secret Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
As majority leader of the Senate, Johnson takes the rare step of serving on that committee himself while in the Senate.
Traditionally, the majority leader would serve on no committee, although he has the authority to do so.
And when he left that position, he left Senator Harry F. Byrd of Florida, one of his closest allies, in charge.
Johnson is the paymaster for the CIA, and of course he lives next door in Morningside Heights in the Washington, D.C.
area.
The Johnson daughters refer to J. Edgar Hoover, who would have been mandatorily retired in 1964 had Kennedy been reelected as their Uncle Edgar.
So Lyndon Johnson is the common thread between the military-industrial complex, The bankers through Elliot Janeway, the organized crime through Carlos Marcello.
He is the common thread, but he's also the man with the greatest interest.
John F. Kennedy has already begun telling people that Johnson will be dropped from the 1964 ticket.
If you read the biography of Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy's personal secretary, and also published within it, The notes she made on Air Force One on her way back to Washington after Kennedy has been slain, in which she makes a list of those who may have been responsible, first on her list is Lyndon Johnson.
The night before the assassination, according to what Jacqueline Kennedy has written, Lyndon Johnson goes to Jack Kennedy's hotel suite in Fort Worth and proposes a change in the lineup of the motorcade, proposing that instead of John Connolly riding in the presidential limousine with Jack Kennedy, that that proposing that instead of John Connolly riding in the presidential limousine with Jack Kennedy, that that Senator Ralph Yarborough, arch enemy of Lyndon
Kennedy says absolutely not.
We're leaving things the way they are.
That was the whole purpose for me to be seen with Connolly as the leader of the more conservative wing of the party.
I'm not making any changes.
Johnson storms out of the room.
Jacqueline Kennedy writes, she said to her husband, what's wrong with him?
And John Kennedy says, oh, he's just being Lyndon.
Hmm.
He's just being Lyndon.
And so when you see him, we're coming up on our next break.
But when you see through this lens that there are various interests that certainly were served by JFK's removal from office.
And LBJ then becomes the sort of linchpin for all of this.
His ties, of course, to Dallas, his ties to the leaders in Dallas, the politicians there, the power structure.
It creates a situation where these are all people that know him from the law enforcement all the way down to the beat cops that are on the street to even potentially some of the Secret Service agents that that are assigned from the local office.
When we come back, Roger, I want to talk to more about How could this have been avoided and what would have happened had JFK stayed in office?
Coming right back, Roger Stone, who shot JFK.
Now, Roger, this is one of the cases, of course, some of the most famous gunshots that have ever been taken on U.S.
soil.
There's that line in Full Metal Jacket, old Italian bolt action rifle, scores three hits, including a headshot.
This is the late great R. Ernie Lee, the drill sergeant, describing how a U.S.
Marine took the shots that took out Kennedy.
And so this physical evidence, it also is explained through the abilities of a junior prosecutor, later a United States Senator from Pennsylvania, who I know you know, the late great Arlen Specter, who comes up with this, the Silver Bullet Theory, which he's later referred to as Silver Bullet Specter.
So the physical evidence, as well as the Zapruder tape, which by the way, none of these, and people need to understand that in the 1960s, the idea that somebody would be on the side of a road with a camera, like a video camera, video lens like this, home camcorders were Very new to the market.
This is not 2022 where everybody's got a cell phone and so people knew there would be photographs of the situation, but the fact that an actual videotape of this exists is extremely rare for the situation.
So anyone involved Yeah, you've got a number of problems here.
to any of these various entities would likely not have anticipated that a video would be shot.
So, Roger, let's get into the gunshots, the physical evidence, and where we left, you were talking about the placement of the men in the motorcade and in the car itself.
You've got a number of problems here.
First of all, no government marksman has ever been able to replicate the alleged shot.
Because a motorcycle police officer had left his microphone on, we know the exact timing between the shots.
And no marksman, and Jesse Ventura tried as well, but no government marksman has ever been able to get off three shots within the time sequence required.
Also, if you look at the footage in the Zapwater film, There's a period in which Kennedy's motorcade drives behind a street sign so he cannot physically be seen, which does not lend itself to a clear shot.
Additionally, if John F. Kennedy was killed with a cheap $29 Italian carbine, how come there are no nitrate burns on his hands or his chest, according to the police report?
When Oswald is apprehended, They parade him in public.
What does he say?
I didn't shoot anyone, he says.
I'm a patsy.
Indeed, he did not shoot anyone.
You also have to wonder why a man suspected of killing the President of the United States is being paraded in a public area where, of course, he is murdered by Jack Ruby.
The Warren Commission tells us that Jack Ruby had no known association with organized crime.
Which is funny because he ran a casino for Carlos Marcello in Havana, and his club, the Carousel Club in Dallas, is actually owned by Marcello, and Ruby is merely fronting for him.
Jack Ruby is known as a longtime button man for the mob.
You also have the problem, of course, with the murder of Officer Tippett.
It is alleged that in his fleeing from Dealey Plaza, Oswald goes first to his home for a change of clothes, at least a change of jacket.
The landlady, by the way, testifies to the Warren Commission that a Dallas police car pulls up in front of the boarding house, honks the horn three times, and drives away.
What's that about?
Why did that not make the Warren Commission a report?
Her deposition is quite findable.
Then, of course, at the scene where Oswald allegedly shot Tippett, the shell casings on the ground came from an automatic.
The problem with that is when Lee Harvey Oswald is apprehended at a theater nearby, he's brandishing a revolver.
This entire story is full of holes.
At this point, the thing that's most bullet riddled is the Warren Commission report.
Even in the case of Lyndon Johnson, pardon me, in the case of Arlen Specter's magic bullet theory, there's a couple different problems.
First of all, J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI wrap up their investigation of the murder of John F. Kennedy in less than a week.
Look, one gunman, Shooting from behind.
Three shots.
That's it.
Okay, kid, they say to 29-year-old Arlen Specter, who's been brought in as the chief investigator, the deputy of the Warren Commission.
Go wrap it up, kid.
The problem with that is that Jim Taig, who is a young car dealer, Uh, had walked down to Dealey Plaza to watch the presidential motorcade.
While he's standing there, a bullet hits the curb next to where he's standing.
A fleck of cement comes up and grazes his shoulder and he is bleeding.
This is seen by a Dallas County Sheriff's officer who says, we've got to go report this.
Takes him to the Dallas police.
He fills out a report.
He expects to hear from the authorities, but then nothing happens.
He keeps seeing on television and reading the newspaper.
There are only three shots.
All three shots are accounted for.
They all came from behind, even though in the Zap-Rudder film, Kennedy's head can be seen.
It goes back and to the right.
Now, I believe there are multiple gunmen.
I believe Kennedy was shot from the front and the back.
There is an entrance wound on his throat.
That is, they immediately do a tracheotomy so that you can't tell whether that's an entry wound or an exit wound.
But it is indisputable, and the New York Times reported this, that at the request of J. Edgar Hoover, Warren Commission member Gerald Ford, then a congressman from When asked by the New York Times why he did this, he said, well, the country needed finality.
simply takes a pencil and on the diagram in the autopsy moves the depiction of the wound from Kennedy's upper back to his neck to accommodate the magic bullet theory.
When asked by The New York Times why he did this, he said, well, the country needed finality.
Not the country needed truth, but the country needed a finality.
So I believe that there are certainly more than three bullets, and there's physical evidence, which they have tried forever to explain away, that Kennedy was shot, you know, in a turkey shoot from both the front and the back.
And this this is I was just gonna say that's the line in in this the Oliver Stone movie.
They said he drove it's Jim Garrison.
He drove into a turkey shoot that it was not some lone gunman.
And I do think that the Just the general common sense take by so many people having heard this as the official explanation that a 29-year-old kid who had had some military experience but was not notably proficient with this was somehow able to pull something like this off.
It doesn't seem to make sense.
It doesn't carry water.
And the idea that we were just supposed to go along with it, in addition to, as you say, there are so many stories that have come out from that day, from that moment.
People who were seen and never heard from again.
The man with the umbrella.
You know, who has an umbrella on a clear day?
These type of things.
Multiple witnesses are subsequently killed.
That is true.
Lee Harvey Oswald is not only not the shooter, he's not even on the sixth floor of this Texas School Book Depository building.
There are multiple witnesses who see a man in the window of the sixth floor.
They all describe, some of them are prisoners, by the way, in a jail, which is across the street, kind of a captive audience, so to speak, where they have a clear view of the Texas School Book Depository building.
Others are on the ground.
They all describe a man whose middle set Balding and wearing spectacles.
Several of them say he's wearing a light colored jacket.
That is a description of the man whose fingerprints are found on the so-called crow's nest.
His name is Malcolm Wallace.
He's an employee of the U.S.
Agriculture Department, a patronage job gotten for him by Senator Lyndon Johnson.
We have his fingerprints because in 1951, in cold blood and in the wide open, He murders a man in Dallas who's involved in a love triangle with Lyndon Johnson's sister, and the man has begun trying to blackmail Johnson regarding corruption and the U.S.
Senate election.
So Malcolm Wallace killed that man.
He was convicted of first-degree murder, the only case of first-degree murder in Texas history in which the man convicted received probation.
He is at least one of his shooters.
Joan Mellon, who's a pretty prominent author, has written a book in an attempt to debunk this.
She's full of crap.
I'd be happy to debate her any time, any place.
I'd like to know where the funding for her book came from.
Lyndon Johnson was very, very shrewd about his legacy.
He sent Jack Valente, one of his top aides, to head the Motion Picture Association so there would never be a movie.
Until Oliver Stone's movie came along about the Kennedy assassination.
The former chairman emeritus of CNN, whose name enough, strangely enough, was also Johnson, is one of the reasons why CNN is more adamant about pushing the falsehoods of the Warren Commission than any of the other networks.
And in addition, we've had this case.
The separate commission that came out and found that it was not merely the act of one man.
This is an official government case.
And yet that's never referred to.
That's never discussed.
You don't see it getting the prominence that it ever should.
I think one of the first times I ever realized realized it existed was from reading your book.
Was reading this book about JFK and then really because for me, this had always been one of those cases that I'd heard about and I didn't necessarily accept the company line on the whole thing, but I'd never gone down the rabbit hole because I didn't feel like I had a good entry point until I got a copy of your book.
And I said, you know what?
It's time for me to do this.
I'm going to dig through.
Roger, we're coming up on our last break, but when we come back, I do want to get into that next question of The America that would have been had these shots not been fired.
Stay tuned, we're coming back for our last segment with Roger Stone on Who Shot JFK?
Now Roger, we're coming in, it's our last segment.
We've laid out the foundation for why so many powerful entities stood to gain from the death of JFK.
You've walked us through the physical evidence in addition to the evidence of the route, the security, the lax security, the security violations of the Secret Service, and you've debunked much of the physical evidence that's presented to us in the official case.
But I want to ask you a question, and this is more drawing on your background as a political analyst and a political operative, but walk us through what would have been the America that could have existed.
And I know it's, you know, it's hard to ask those type of questions, but let's say JFK lives, goes on and we'll give him the reelection.
Do we not get into Vietnam?
Do we not go off the gold standard?
Walk us through the America that would have been.
Well, we do know that Kennedy had reached out through French back channels to Fidel Castro to talk about peace talks, to talk about coexistence.
The Pentagon was very deeply opposed to that.
We also know that, and there's some discrepancy about this.
It is the thesis of Of Oliver Stone.
It is also the thesis of those who wish to burnish the image of Camelot that John Kennedy was was waking up to the fact that a deeper and deeper involvement in Vietnam was a mistake and was preparing to withdraw troops.
It is notable that in an oral history after JFK's death, Robert Kennedy insists vehemently that that was Not the case that John Kennedy was committed to the defeat of communism in Vietnam.
So that's an open question.
He certainly was adamant about a gold or silver backed dollar.
It would ultimately be Richard Nixon who closes the gold window.
Probably Nixon's single greatest mistake.
I've written about two different books, but the bankers were already agitating to come off the gold standard.
Maybe that would not have happened.
Kennedy had a very deep distrust of the intelligence agencies.
After the fiasco at the Bay of Pigs, he threatened, as he put it, to smash the CIA into a million pieces.
And therefore, perhaps you would not have the rogue CIA, the rogue FBI that you have today.
In the immediate heels of Kennedy's murder, former President Harry Truman wrote an op-ed piece for the Washington Post in which he said signing the CIA into law was the greatest single mistake that he had made.
They were supposed to be limited only to foreign intelligence gathering and services, but they were operating in this country illegally.
That op-ed runs for one edition only before it is spiked.
So they actually were able to spike an op-ed by a former, and at that point very respected, president of the United States.
What Kennedy might have achieved in a second term?
Well, he achieved nothing for civil rights in the first term.
He had campaigned very hard for a fair housing law, for a Voting Rights Act, but Vice President Lyndon Johnson, a lifelong segregationist, I might add, had convinced him That because the old bulls in the Senate chaired most of the committees, they would eviscerate Kennedy's budget and program, and that he had to wait until a second term to keep his promises on civil rights.
Then, of course, after the murder of John F. Kennedy, it was Lyndon Johnson, the man who wrote the Southern Manifesto against civil rights, although didn't sign it himself because he was looking at running for president in 1960, Who completely reverses himself and becomes, essentially, the father of American civil rights law, saving that opportunity for himself.
That, in turn, bought Johnson an enormous amount of cover to deepen our engagement in Vietnam, which even then, Democrats on the left were beginning to question.
So, I have new respect for Kennedy.
As a Nixon Republican, I'd always resented Something I document to my other books, the theft of the 1960 election.
But I now recognize that Kennedy was a much greater man than I had thought, that his plans for the country were much more anti-establishment and much more reform-oriented.
I think he was a peacemaker, even though he had run to Nixon's right in 1960 as a Cold Warrior, insisting that we take a harder line on Castro.
We fought about the Chinese islands of Qui Moi and Matsu that were then being disputed in terms of their ownership between the nationalist Chinese and the communist Chinese.
Still being disputed.
But ironically, in retrospect, the whole exercise brought me much, much greater respect for John F. Kenyan.
I think he was a great man.
I think he was murdered by all of these entities.
Each one of them had their own specific interest.
Johnson's interest was staying out of prison, obviously, but I think his second term as president I think it would have achieved many great things.
Well, you know, Roger, when I actually had an occasion back in 2016 to be a member of a panel on the Joy Reid show on MSNBC.
And when when asked about civil rights, I brought up the history of Lyndon Bates Johnson and his personal history of being against civil rights for the entire time that he was in the Congress and the Senate.
And she promptly tried to have me thrown off of her show.
She didn't like that.
I brought that up.
There's a terrific book on this entitled Bystander by Nick Bryan, which documents Lyndon Johnson.
First of all, John F. Kennedy's great promises in the 1960 campaign, all of which were thwarted by Vice President Lyndon Johnson until the time that Johnson became president and then reserved those positions for himself.
As you know, he is famously quoted as saying, I'll have those N-words Voting Democratic for a hundred years.
And so he has.
Roger, the other case that I think.
I think there's another book to be written and Roger, I don't know if you're the man to do it, but I think you are.
And that's a book about Watergate, because this story, I think in the aftermath of the.
Intelligence agencies Actions during the Trump administration it has gotten so many millions of people going back and re-examining some of these past cases like the JFK assassination and then also Watergate from a sense of This individual Mark Felt deep throat Was he a leaker or was he a plotter and were Woodward and Bernstein?
Were they themselves?
Intrepid journalists or were they patsies for the national security state?
And I think that's a frame that none of the Watergate researchers have really explained yet, but I think it's a story that people are willing now to actually have the discussion of and John Dean and Madeline Dean and whose names are on that client list in her desk and there's a whole Sure, first of all, four of the Watergate burglars are on the ground in Dealey Plaza.
How could that be?
in your book, Watergate, in the sense that Watergate is almost an operation that builds out of Dealey Plaza.
And what happened there?
Walk us through that.
Sure.
First of all, four of the Watergate burglars are on the ground in Dealey Plaza.
How could that be?
E. Howard Hunt, one of the Watergate burglars, says on his deathbed that he was there working for the agency, but he was a backbencher.
He also says, by the way, Lyndon Johnson was the man calling the shots.
The people who removed Kennedy are the same people who moved Nixon and for the same reasons.
The Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency were opposed to the strategic arms limitation agreements that Nixon reached with the Russians.
They were opposed to normalizing our relationships with the Chinese.
They were opposed to ending the war in Vietnam.
They were opposed to ending the military draft.
Richard Nixon's great sin?
He was a peacemaker.
They expect him to be even more of a cold warrior than Johnson had been.
I don't know how you could have stepped up the bombing in Vietnam any more than Lyndon Johnson did.
Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon understood that they needed to withdraw from Vietnam.
They needed to cover their retreat while doing so.
So there's been a number of documents declassified just in recent months.
Terrific piece on this by James Rosen, now at Newsmax, I think formerly with Fox News, at Real Clear Politics.
It is absolutely clear That at least three of the Watergate burglars are still actively on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency, and they're reporting to their handlers prior and during the break-in.
So, it is, in the book Silent Coup by Len Kolodny, who passed recently, it is a second coup.
Nixon, it's not that Nixon's men did not give the Central Intelligence Agency the opening.
They did.
But who is it who starts demanding the wiretapping of journalists and White House staff members to find leakers?
Why, that would be Henry Kissinger, a man who has walked away from that train wreck completely and totally unscathed.
The people who killed Kennedy, John Kennedy, are the same people who killed his brother, Robert Kennedy, and who are the same people, in essence, who removed Richard Nixon In many ways, it is their successors who sought to remove Donald Trump from the presidency.
And I think that's what brings it all together.
Roger, I know you've done one book on Nixon, but I'm just saying, I think there might be another book specifically on, maybe a follow-up to Silent Coup in a sense, in a spiritual sense.
And I think Roger Stone is the man to do it.
A man who always has Richard Nixon very close to him.
Roger, thank you very much for taking time with us here on Human Events Daily.
Folks, you can do a Google image search of Roger Stone shirtless to understand what that means.
Roger, where can people follow you?
Then follow me at StoneZone.com.
You get a copy of my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, by going to StoneZone.com in the shop.
You get a signed copy of it.
It is a New York Times bestseller.
Quite proud of it.
Make a great Christmas gift.
Jack is alluding to the fact that I have a tattoo of Richard Nixon on my back.
It's not there for any political reason.
It's there as a daily reminder that in life, When you're knocked down, when you suffer defeats, when you have setbacks, when you are dejected or depressed, that's the time you have to get back up on your feet and get back in the game.
The story of Nixon, putting politics aside, is a story of resilience, it's a story of persistence, it's an American story.
