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Aug 21, 2022 - Dr. James Lindsay: The Truth About Groomers

SUNDAY SPECIAL: Jack Posobiec sits down with Founder of New Discourses, Dr. James Lindsay to explore his Twitter ban after commenting “Okay, Groomer” on a tweet. Poso and Lindsay engage in an educational discussion around the sexualization of children and its ties to communism and marxism as a tool to destroy the family and ultimately destabilize society. Support the Show.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's Sunday special for Human Events Daily.
Now, this is an interview between myself and Dr. James Lindsay, but it's broken up into two parts.
Let me explain why.
We pre-recorded this down at Turning Point Student Action Summit at SAS in Tampa, which was just a few weeks ago, but then something happened after that.
Because at that point, Dr. James Lindsay was on double secret probation.
He had been locked out and temporarily banned from Twitter.
And for the main course of the interview, that's what we're talking about.
It was over this OK Groomer situation.
But then he went and even after we finished the interview, he got permanently banned from Twitter.
So I said, what are we gonna do?
Producers came, they said, here's what we do.
We'll go and bring him back for a little coda, just a couple of minutes explaining where we are, explaining why this has happened, where you can go follow him now that he has been permanently banned from Twitter.
So you got part one, part two, that's what's going on.
So strap in and enjoy.
this Human Events Sunday special between myself, Dr. James Lindsay.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard special edition Human Events Daily.
I I am joined, unfortunately, I have to apologize to the audience, tried to get some good guests at Turning Point Sass, and the only one that we scrape in the bottom of the barrel, we got Dr. James Lindsay is with us.
So I'm sorry, I apologize to everybody out there, but if you can sit through this, grin and bear it, we'll get through it together.
Dr. James Lindsay, you know, I mean, I appreciate you coming by, obviously, you know.
I mean, I work for free.
I know why you invited me.
Well, it was a contractual obligation, so I understand.
That's true.
So you got banned from Twitter, what, yesterday, right?
Yesterday.
And what did you say on Twitter that was so egregious that they had to take you down?
Okay, Groomer.
Okay Groomer.
Okay Groomer.
And what did you say in response to it?
So, a Media Matters reporter who may or may not belong to what they call a protected class.
Okay.
And I say may or may not because I can't be bothered to care and so I don't actually know.
I forgot this person's name as a matter of fact.
Ari or something like that.
Anyway, what had happened was Media Matters did a kind of like sting piece on the Okay Groomer phenomenon.
Yes.
They included me, gratefully, because I started it, so I should probably be in it as far as I know I started it.
And so they put me in it, and they said that I'm this terrible monster and all of these things.
But you are, of course, obviously.
Right, and I thought it looked really good for me, you know?
Yeah, right.
My monster credentials were rising.
No cap.
I like Media Matters now.
And here's why.
I get to watch this and it's like, oh, it's like a greatest hits reel of everything that's going on.
And if you just kind of like, you put the editorial on the side and you say, okay, Charlie was talking about what today?
All right.
You know, James Lindsay said, oh yeah, Cosplay Guru, got it.
I think it's great.
Have you seen their groomers greatest hit video they put?
It was their page tweet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Groomer, groomer, groomer, groomer.
Yeah, everybody's saying groomer.
Yeah, positive, awesome, groomer!
Yeah, so they put out this article Response articles came out and this person that works for Media Matters tweeted the article with some snarky comment or whatever.
And I said, OK, groomer.
Right.
So so I'm going to, you know, go beyond the you know, the obvious.
Right.
You know, is a groomer a sexual identity?
Right.
Here's here's what I want to get into, because something that you understand, something that I'm fascinated with is this idea of linguistic warfare.
Yeah.
And When the right or the center the north whatever you want to call it right the non-wokes right found the this word groomer and really started kind of like revving that up The left lost their minds.
These people went completely insane.
It started gaining traction.
Streisand effect kicks in.
Everybody starts saying it.
Why is it that this word specifically has so much power against them and why are they so terrified of it?
The simple answer is because it's true.
Memes stick when they are true.
If it wasn't true, then it wouldn't have stuck.
And so, it sticks, it does damage.
Nobody wants to be called a groomer, because there is the... There are two associations, I mean, we don't have to get into it, it's obvious.
They know that there's a connotation that it's connected to pedophilia.
Right.
into sexual predation and all of these things.
Right.
But secondly, cult groomers aren't exactly looked upon in a favorable light either.
- Precisely. - Nobody's looking at Jim Jones and thinking like, what a hero, except Angela Davis and the other communists who supported him in the '70s.
And so they know it has an incredibly negative pejorative connotation, and that they're not gonna be able to get it off of them because it's true. - And this is the thing, right?
And so I've heard, and I'm sure you've heard conservatives say this for a generation.
The liberals are the real racists.
The liberals are the real racists.
And that just washes right over them.
They do not care one blip, as Governor Sanders would say, when you call them the real racists.
Doesn't even bother them at all.
You call a conservative a racist, especially an establishment type, they are bending over backwards.
They're jumping through hoops.
You own them suddenly because they're terrified of this word.
But it seems now with this word groomer, you've almost found something that carries the same weight to a leftist that calling someone on the right a racist does.
Yeah, there's no coming back from groomerville.
Right.
And so it's literally... It's a one-way ticket.
Yeah, it is a one-way ticket.
There are lots of metaphors that would be easy to use, but we know they'd get taken out of context, so you can't say... Precisely.
What was it that Vax Adams said about Trump?
He said linguistic kill shots, right?
Yes.
You can't say kill shot, but...
It is.
To be labeled a groomer does a lot of things.
It completely freaks people out.
What are you doing?
It's obviously manipulative.
Whether it's sexual predation or not, it's obviously manipulative.
And nobody wants that for their kids.
Nobody wants to be put through that.
So that's really, really bad.
And the other thing it does is it wakes up parents.
Yes.
And there is a reservoir of energy that we will say springs forth from natural law.
Right.
In the love of a parent for their children.
Right.
You're talking about base level, biological programming, hardwired stuff.
Yeah, Heavy D was talking about it at the Moms4Liberty and he was talking about something else.
He was talking about people, you know, you tell the truth and you help people out.
And then he said they'll walk barefoot across broken glass for you.
There isn't a parent alive who wouldn't take their shoes off and walk across broken glass for their kids if they had to.
100%.
Not even a question.
Run into burning buildings, whatever it takes.
So, you know, it's funny that you mention that because I...
I think that about my kids sometimes, right?
And it's, you know, they always ask that question, you know, if you're, if you're going to be secret service or, you know, would you take a shot for the president, right?
Would you take a shot?
And it's always sort of this, well, you know, hopefully you're not in that situation, et cetera, et cetera.
You know, but it comes up and, you know, I'd like to, we found out in Uvalde, by the way, the answer was no.
The police were not willing down there to take a shot for the kids.
The teachers, actual heroism there.
And that ties into that same thing that we're talking about.
Those teachers were willing to.
When I think about my kids, I don't have to think about it.
Yeah, there's no question.
It's not even a question.
It seems silly to me to even consider that if my child was in danger, I would do anything and you put what could potentially happen to me totally aside.
It doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist that I'm going to take my kid.
I'll take a shot.
I'll walk over.
I don't care.
I could care less.
Take a shot of my kid.
Yeah.
A hundred times.
Right.
That's like primal human stuff.
There's no escaping that.
So they know on some level that if they wake up that energy That they are going up against the force of nature.
Yes.
That is beyond the capacity of their rhetorical tricks and warfare to win.
They cannot win.
You can't play word games against a parent.
You're just gonna make them mad if you're... No, but also, and here's the thing though, and the reason it gains traction, and look, you can see the numbers, the epidemic, right?
We saw a post-millennial just have the story the other day.
So far this year, child sex crimes arrested against teachers, substitute teachers, teachers' aides, and I'm talking K-12.
I'm not talking high school, I'm not even talking, excuse me, college, right?
I'm talking K-12.
So this is an actual epidemic.
There is something going on, and I've said it on a couple of shows already this week, but I think it's like a sales funnel.
It's like a sales funnel because we're introducing... When I covered the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, and I've heard this before, but it came up there and they talked about the cycle of grooming and the stages of grooming.
One of the stages of grooming, once you've identified, once you've made direct contact, Yeah.
is that you begin introducing sexualized content and you normalize sexual content with the child, with your target.
That's what you do.
And so what did they ask Dillinger, right?
They asked him, they said, "Why do you rob banks?" That's where the money is.
Why are there so many pedophiles in the teaching profession?
That's where the kids are.
And so it's a sales funnel because you're throwing it out there and you're looking.
You're looking to see who responds, right?
It's almost a subconscious thing for them, right?
Because they have this urge, this insane, disgusting, twisted urge to desire children in this way.
And the problem is that I think everyone inherently knows Exactly.
And they know that they're doing it.
Yes.
As a matter of fact, there's a, believe it or not, an academic paper in a major curriculum journal called Curriculum Inquiry that's called Drag Pedagogy.
They wrote an academic paper justifying drag queens in a story hour.
And in it, they say, we sell it.
They said, this is a marketing pitch as Empathy for LGBT identities.
As a matter of fact, the point is to get people to live queerly.
To get children to live queerly.
They know they're sexualizing children.
And to your point, what's actually happening then, sales funnel, what you're actually doing is you're breaking down those barriers and you're making it... They say the opposite.
They say, well, this will help kids detect when grooming's happening.
No, no, no.
You are actually making the conditions to where the children think it's normal to talk about those issues.
In those, in a school or whatever, or to see somebody in a highly sexualized performance in a school where it's completely inappropriate.
So there is that.
I mean, as you know, you know, we got linguistic warfare, but we also have memetic warfare.
Right.
We're meme lords over here.
And from the beginning, from the beginning of OK Groomer, I've been putting out, you know, the handshake meme where you have the two guys with their, you know, clasped hands in an arm wrestling kind of position.
And it's Marxist pedophiles.
Yes.
Yes.
Because they work hand in glove.
I'm not saying that all Marxist pedophiles.
I'm not saying that most pedophiles are Marxist, but no, they're they there's an agreement here.
I actually had a whether a podcast or a public talk.
I don't remember, but I actually refer to it as the warm tongue agreement from Lord of the Rings.
He's whispering to Thaedon, keeping him on the down.
Right, right, right.
What Saruman promised him.
He gets the girl.
He gets Eowyn.
Right.
If he gets keeps it all, whatever.
But to me, I think I think that that and this has come up before it's why do you see this?
And we've clearly identified a trend.
That's why the word itself gains traction because people say, you know what?
That always sat wrong with me.
It was in the back of my mind.
I thought I wasn't supposed to say anything because Well, I'm a soccer mom and I'm a good, tolerant, you know, I don't tell anyone their business, but I sense something was wrong, right?
You have this innate sense and now you found a way through all the social conditioning, it's grooming, right?
And you're also triggering the, and you know what is the other big thing that's, you know, again, the same population, the soccer moms, women in general in America today, what is the number one, you could call it fad, you call it trend among women, it's true crime, right?
There is a massive true crime phenomenon going on.
We're here at Turning Point Sass.
They have conventions.
They call it, what, Crimeathon or something.
They have huge conventions with true crime.
People come together as the biggest podcasters, and it is predominantly women.
It is predominant women at these things.
And they've heard again and again, these cases of grooming.
So you're tapping into that.
The J6 committee, by the way, also uses the same function of a true crime.
You know, we're unfolding the true crime.
The Hutchinson.
They're just taking the true crime methodology and applying it to Gen 6 and trying to act as if it was some elaborate plot.
It wasn't.
Problem is with grooming, it is.
It is.
And I think that the reason for that clasping that you see, to me, it's to destabilize society, you have to destabilize families.
How do you destabilize families is through destabilizing normative sexual relations.
This is true.
I mean, the Marxists have explicitly explored this vein of strategy since the 1920s.
So, you know, you have the successful revolution in Russia in 1917.
Lenin takes over, the Bolsheviks are doing great.
Western Marxism starts to come into being because they can't figure out a lot of things.
Why did the workers cobble to their nations rather than to the workers overall when World War I broke out?
Well, Marx didn't have an answer to that.
They had to figure it out.
And so another thing was, why did Russia, which was a peasant society, go communist or socialist?
But the advanced capitalist societies, Marx said, they had to figure it out.
And so this new thought in Marxism comes up, and one of the things they experimented with, George Lukács, a Hungarian Marxist, was the guy who really led the charge on this.
He ended up being deputy commissar of education in Béla Kun's Soviet-Hungarian regime for four or five months while in Alaska.
And he realized that if you sexualize the children, you achieve a number of things.
Explicitly, sexualize the children to achieve a number of things.
One of the things you achieve is that you destabilize the child.
His categorization of the world isn't as clear.
He's moldable.
You can make an activist of him.
If you can't figure out if he's a boy or a girl, maybe Lukács wasn't thinking in those explicit terms of the 21st century, but if you have a kid who can't figure out if he's a boy or a girl, doesn't know for sure what gay and straight mean, sexuality changes with the wind, You can't make order of the world.
You can get them to believe in whatever you want about climate change, one way or the other, whatever you want about politics, whatever you want about abortion, whatever you want about whatever issue, immigration, anything.
Super moldable.
So you destabilize the children.
Secondly, you want those children to go home, to say these things in front of their parents, their parents to be aghast, and then to correct the child, and then the child to say back, things are different now.
Yes.
We live in a different world, you're out of date.
And the third thing is you want them to do exactly the same.
Which, by the way, which drives a wedge.
Drives a wedge.
A further wedge.
And there's always, there's always a natural wedge.
You know, my kids, my kids are four and one and I'm, I'm just waiting.
You know, I say, they say, you know, I don't bot, whenever they come to me now and they say, Oh, Dad, I want to spend time.
I want to do this and say, or, you know, say when Tanya comes over and says, I'm going to spend time.
I say, spend time now because give it 10 years or so and they don't want to talk to us.
So there already exists that natural wedge.
They lock themselves in their room.
And what they're doing is, oh, he already does that every once in a while.
Yeah.
But I have a key.
Yeah, right.
Right.
And so he's four.
He's not allowed to do that.
But they're exacerbating that wedge beyond the, you know, the normal, you know, teenage rebelliousness, whatever it is, to a rift, an actual rift in the family unit.
And that's exactly what they're looking for.
They want to rip those kids apart and put them in a completely different culture, Malou, so they're not looking up any longer to their parents.
They're looking up to authority figures in the institutions or from the state.
And then that's huge in tearing apart a society and installing a new generation that accepts a new society.
And the third thing is the deepest roots, whether you want to frame it because it's both irrelevant, it's not trying to put primacy of one or the other, but you want them to reject their prevailing religion and culture.
Yes.
And religion in particular, because when the parents like, listen, you know, Genesis says man and female he made them or whatever, they're like, The Bible was written by patriarchal, homophobic jerks.
The Bible is out.
That's not me.
You want them to reject those deeper roots and especially those other values.
And so the communists for a hundred years have realized that there is a pathway to success.
That begins and ends with sexualizing the children and then foisting the change in a generation while those screwed up kids grow up.
So I say that the millennials right now are the first intentionally broken generation.
And the Z's are the first intentionally manufactured.
So I'm like, I guess you could say elder millennial, I say centennial centennial.
You are, you're one of those geriatric millennials.
You know, and it, it.
Sorry about your generation, man.
It's so bad.
It's, and when I look out- If it makes you feel better though, because you're getting the Atlas shrugged.
Yeah.
Well, I keep saying that we should write the book when Gen X stops shrugging.
Gen X shrugged.
Yeah.
No, we're always shrugging.
Well, you're starting to see a little bit.
So, Charlie and I have talked about this.
Charlie Kirk and I have talked about this a little bit, because you look at your Glenn Greenwalds, your Joe Rogans, your Elon Musks.
You know, this is Gen X starting to kind of realize that, hey, maybe, because you know what it was, and it's the Gen X response to Millennials.
That's what it is.
It's saying, hey, wait a minute.
I thought that these things were settled.
What are you guys doing?
What are you doing?
Stop doing those things.
Why are you like this?
Because the millennial generation has been broken apart and twisted and traumatized.
And by the way, traumatized, too.
And I do say that not as a millennial apologist, but just as an observer and an analyst.
It's true.
They're the first intentionally broken generation.
Right.
The traumas that have been put through.
And look, is it the same thing as as Vietnam?
Of course not.
Right.
But the economic and political trauma that that generation has gone through, the fact that you've been told Because we were told, right, I remember this, we were told your whole life, right, you know, don't worry about 9-11, that's fine, you go off and fight if you want, but here's the thing, go to college, then when you get out, you just go into more college, take on more debt, you'll get your job, you'll be able to pay it back, everything will be fine, go buy that house on credit, go buy everything on credit, and all you need is a bigger degree.
I remember, I remember graduating college during or just before the global financial crisis, and people telling me, That what we should do, they said, they said poso.
Don't want to make a poso back then, but they would say, here's what you do.
We just go to more college.
And if we just go and get more college, then we'll have more.
And, and because of, again, because of social conditioning, we're taught this, that if you have a higher degree, you're, you're more marketable.
That's right.
So what did they do?
They took on more debt when there were no jobs because they made the debt free on purpose on Purpose.
I'm telling you.
Intentionally broken generation.
Russian serfs.
They created a generation of Russian serfs.
Whether they know it or not.
And that's the agenda.
So I hear a lot of millennials and I hear a lot of younger than millennials saying, you know, it's like, Well, I kind of prefer to rent because you don't have to like be responsible.
You don't have to keep up with it.
Like if you own your house, you have to keep up.
Are you saying you'll own nothing and you'll be happy?
Yes, in fact, I am.
And that's where you even see like which guy was it?
I forgot which guy it is.
The World Economic Forum had a video that he put out.
It's not Klaus Schwab.
I don't think he has a great German accent.
I think this guy actually has a British accent, but he's sitting there talking all story.
He's like, oh, yeah, yeah.
As a manufacturer, why should we want to Why should we want to like give up the ownership of our product?
You don't want to own the product and be responsible for it.
You want the benefit of the product.
So if I can retain the ownership rights of the product and then sell you the benefit of the product, isn't that better?
Yes.
And so you will own nothing and you'll be happy because they're only going to sell you the benefits of the product.
Well, and so you can take this actually out of theory because, and I've said this for a while now, they are switching everything over to a subscription model.
Everything subscription.
Everything subscription model.
So your home is going to be a subscription.
That's rent, basically.
That's right.
Right.
All your apps, all your products.
When's the last time you bought a movie?
When's the last time you bought?
Now, a lot of people still do physical books.
I personally don't do physical books.
I just, when I was in military deployments, travel just kind of got out of it, but I still do the audio books.
Right.
Yeah.
Or, or at least have like, I'll have the file myself.
I don't usually do it through.
Yeah.
I'll straight up, I'll strip the DRM and make sure I have the file on my own, right?
But all that stuff, they could wipe it, right?
So nobody buys movies anymore, that's all streaming.
They're doing this with clothes.
They are doing this with clothing.
So it started with Rent the Runway, right?
And that's for girls, and my wife does it, right?
Lots of low-end do this, where they say, well, if I have an event, I only want to wear a dress once or twice, you know, I rent it, I go to the event and come back, I'm done.
OK, but now they're starting to do it for everyday clothes.
So and then they're even starting to do it with clothes washing.
They're taking clothes washing.
And so what do you have to do then?
You have to live in a city and you have to live in an automated city.
And then more and more of these things are taking care of you.
They're taking away ownership.
And so I don't know how good your Mandarin is, but do you know what the word communism is in Mandarin?
No.
So it's 共產主義, 共產, right?
This word, 共產產品.
It literally translates, if you just take the direct words, 公产主义, I'll send this to you, um, public property policy.
That's, that's the direct translation.
And I say... I love how blunt the Chinese words are.
It's just so blunt.
We call them struggle sessions because they call them struggle.
Because they're struggle.
Yeah.
斗争.
Yeah.
They call them struggle.
Precisely.
Right, so it's the public property policy, right?
And that is, if you break down communism to its root, I mean, that's essentially what it is, you do not own anything.
Yeah, well, that's the idea.
That's what Marx actually said in Economic Philosophic Manuscripts.
He said that the true communism is when there is a full transcendence of private property and thus a full transcendence of the estrangement of the human condition from himself.
That you will own nothing and you will be happy is straight up Karl Marx fulfilled in his vision, except for Karl, it only worked when everybody spontaneously believed it.
And I hear this and it's and this is kind of where you get the, you know, you have to put Marx and then Huxley and Orwell together to kind of get what the millennials are, because it is this generation where and I hear it so often, man.
I hear it so often.
Oh, well, It's cheaper now to buy a home than to rent, but you have to make that first payment.
And none of them can make it.
So if your wealth formation is off, that means family formation is delayed.
That means children are delayed.
Birth rate's way down, of course.
But don't worry, they're taking care of that at the border.
You cannot have a functioning generation.
If you continue those trends, this is why they don't own anything.
This is what their service, but then they throw on top of you, Hey, we've got the latest from Marvel, the latest streaming on Netflix.
What's up next?
You know, the bread and circuses.
And this is what Huxley understood.
If you give people this instant gratification culture that you can order from a piece of glass in your hand, you can order everything from your next meal to your next sexual partner.
Yeah.
Right.
Completely atomized.
You know, what am I in the mood for?
Exactly.
That you are completely hollowed out inside.
Yeah.
But they can still at least keep you on that dopamine cycle where you're going the ups and downs, ups and downs.
And then you're tracking all the way through that until essentially you expire.
But they don't care because they'll just replace you.
Yeah, exactly.
So I mean, that is what Huxley understood.
And so you've got the dopamine pump in your hand.
We know that that's what they do.
We know that they're built to do that, to cause your brain to pump dopamine.
So you have the dopamine pump in your hand, and what are the rest of them on?
SSRIs.
They're drowning in psychoactive drugs that we've just recently learned don't do what they said that they did all along.
The study just came out.
I just had Dr. Malone on talking about this, and he pointed out that some of us have been saying this all along, that the data is not there, but lazy journalists and lazy academics never went and actually cracked this stuff open because they went with the sexy headline, they went with what popped, and they went with, of course, because now, hey, the company's making money again, we're getting advertisers, people want to fund this.
Possibly trillions of dollars, if you look at that industry as a whole.
And I wonder, because that study just dropped, and we're talking, of course, by the way, about the study that just came out, it was a study of studies, an umbrella study, University College of London, that essentially stated there is no direct link between low serotonin levels and depression.
That's right.
Which is the underlying science of the chemical imbalance theory that sold everyone, an entire 20-year generation, on antidepressants.
Right, that's what one of the S's in SSRI stands for.
That's right, serotonin.
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
It's so ridiculous.
So everybody's drugged up.
Everybody's hopped up on pharmaceutical cocktails.
They're also getting the dopamine rushes hitting.
I almost wonder if this is the trend, because you saw this, by the way, with Frank Luntz's favorite drug, OxyContin, which of course, the late, great Rush Limbaugh, even he was someone who struggled with, right?
Because this is a powerful, powerful, addictive drug that, you know, they rode that out, they made their money, they decimated middle America off of it, sucked the money out of them, bled these people dry, left them to rot.
Then suddenly we get this sort of media, almost like a mea culpa moment, and they turn and commodify that into Hulu miniseries and maybe one show trial.
They pick one family, but the family doesn't even have to see any time behind bars.
And then you go on to the next thing.
So I'm wondering, because we're seeing this study come out, we're starting to see some glimpses of this.
Do you think that Is this just one that kind of snuck through, or are we seeing the beginning of a trend possibly on SSRIs?
You know, that's a bit above my pay grade to make that judgment.
In general... Which I don't know, I'm just... I have no clue.
The thing is, in general... You have to get... Well, basically, you have to get these things to a critical mass.
Correct, that's what I was about to say.
In general, the glass is breaking, in some sense.
Like, in general...
There is a very big turn for the past couple years or so now.
Two, I think, is the right number of years.
There's been a whole lot of questions being asked.
Like, the data don't seem to match everything people seem to be saying, especially maybe in the medical field, but... And the outcomes don't match.
Yeah, and a lot of things are not matching.
And so now... Put it this way, 20 years of SSRIs.
Are we happier?
Are we more well-adjusted?
Is the country doing better?
I mean, right?
No, absolutely not.
And so people are...
When the virus, the pandemic first came around, and there were all these things being installed, I remember talking to my further, you know, as they say, further right-wing friends, more based people actually, clearer-eyed people in many cases, who kept saying something to me that I barely understood at the beginning, which is, it's all going to come out.
They can't hide it forever.
The bodies are going to start appearing or something, you know, depending on what the thing was.
That's true of all of, when you, there's an old saying, reality is the thing you run into when your beliefs are false.
Yes.
And so if you pump out lies and you pump out lies and you pump out lies for fashionable reasons, for lazy reasons or negligence, or because of malicious intent, doesn't matter.
If your beliefs are out of alignment with reality, eventually the bodies start piling up one way or another.
And when that happens, people will start to notice.
And then that forces people to start looking Under the tarp or behind the curtain or whatever else.
And I think we are at that moment where there's a lot of people like, wait a minute.
Do we even know the history of the 20th century?
Like, what just happened for the last hundred years?
Were we told lies?
Like, what is this?
One of the great, if you talk to, again, the further right based underground, one of the things I keep hearing is, we need to repeal the 20th century.
Just repeal the whole thing.
Just go back.
Just go back.
There are a lot of shady things that have happened that we don't have straight answers about what actually occurred.
And many of those things are pharmaceutical.
We're dealing with that end where we've been talking about, but you know, a lot of those things are political too.
Right.
And so there are, I think that as for this question about, you know, SSRI studies, I don't know, but I think that there is about to be a lot more, you know, let's go re-ask some questions that we thought Look, all I'm saying is, when I was a little kid, Hulk Hogan told me, the great physician Hulk Hogan told me, eat your vitamins, say your prayers, and train.
He said vitamins A, B, C, and D, and you will be fine.
And then you look at all this stuff.
And I say, we're in Florida right now.
And I was joking about it.
I said, why did Florida do so well?
Well, they've got all the vitamin D you would ever need here.
And because of the citrus, you've got all the vitamin C that you would ever need here.
And you wonder, they've also got the most seniors, and yet they did some of the best with COVID than of any other population that has so many seniors.
And I said, I really wonder.
Now compare that with like, Northern Italy, which is not exactly known for its sunshine content, and nor is it known for its citrus, right?
Because the temperatures aren't right, because you're getting up into the Alps in that point.
And so it really makes you wonder, does any of this stuff track a little more than some of the things that we've been told to look at?
I mean, I think that these are questions that we need to be looking into.
So you have your great physician, Hulk Hogan, and I have my great philosopher, Randy Macho Man, Savage, and he said that the cream rises to the top.
That's right.
And we see the cream of Florida is rising to the top of the pile of how things worked out.
So something has gone correctly.
And I mean, I am being silly, but I'm not being silly.
Well, no, but look, when you look at it on paper, when you look at it on paper, we knew early on in COVID that it affects certain, for political correct reasons, we couldn't say this, that it affected people who were who were elderly.
You could kind of say that more, but you certainly weren't able to say that it affected people who were overweight.
And that was one of the largest comorbidities or certainly largest populations of comorbidities in in the general population, certainly in America.
And we weren't allowed to say that.
And that's why we had these one size fit all government policies come down.
But Take that back.
Because Florida has your highest percentage of seniors, it would stand to reason that Florida would be just one of these areas that we would see a huge hit from COVID.
Right.
And they told it.
The left was calling him Death Santas.
Death Santas.
Death Santas again and again.
And to be sure, everybody took their lumps with COVID, but we never saw this massive hit in Florida that they kept predicting.
Right.
Well, I mean, if you listen to Ron DeSantis, he talks about it a lot.
They actually looked at the data and they said, what actually makes sense?
They actually didn't just, he just said it last week at a talk I was at.
He said, I didn't, what did he say?
Outsource or subcontract.
He said, I didn't subcontract.
I can't subcontract my leadership.
Oh, that's great.
To some other, you know, entity like the public health or whatever.
So he's like, bring me the data.
Let me see the data.
Let's talk it over.
Explain to me what it means.
Let's make a decision for leadership.
And he made a lot of decisions that were flew in the face of what everybody else in the country was doing and a lot of people in the world were doing.
Sweden did as well.
And what you saw is that something very different happened.
These things that you would say, you know, the elderly population.
Which, by the way, speaking of Sweden, did you know, and I was reading this at one point that the popular, because Sweden, of course, again, another area that's really not known for its sunlight.
Not so good with the sunlight.
Because they know that, the country and the people who live there just generally take more vitamin D supplements than most other countries, particularly in Sweden.
Which turns out to be fairly inexpensive and accessible, by the way.
Yeah, so, I mean, Ron DeSantis realized, like, get people outside.
Let them be outside.
Let them go do things.
Don't mask up kids.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it was a completely different outcome.
And rather than calling him Death Santas and ignoring him, maybe we should start asking questions.
Like, what happened that was right here?
And how do we start figuring out more things that are right in more places?
I actually think calling him Death Santus makes him sound cool.
It is pretty cool.
I think it's kind of cool.
I mean, you got Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Death Santus, right?
You know what I mean?
It totally fits.
That is next level metal.
It's pretty metal.
It is very metal.
Yeah, exactly.
He's actually going to be speaking here in a couple of minutes.
I was joking with the team.
I said, can you make it say Death Santus when he comes out?
And they said, well, we think that he might take that as an insult or something.
I said, well, just play metal.
Yeah.
Speaking of metal, Marjorie Taylor Greene is right over there.
We say hi.
I'm not going to take up too much of her time making her wait, but what are you working on?
Oh, Margie.
Well, that's because she's on after you.
Well, I'm just going to sit here until she comes over.
She comes over.
All right.
She follows me on Twitter as long as I still have an account.
I am not going to take up too much of her time making her wait.
But what are you working on?
Where can people follow you?
All that good stuff.
So for now, you can follow me at Conceptual James on social media.
The company is New Discourses.
That's newdiscourses.com.
Channel is New Discourses on YouTube.
I am working on, I got a workshop on the Marxification of education, how they stole education from us, turned it Marxist, coming up in a week in Virginia.
But I'm going to put out a book by the same title on the back of that, probably by the end of August.
Amazing.
A book on education, the theft of education from the American people, how they turned it into a Marxist.
So cool.
All right.
And to the audience, just again, another apology.
I'm sorry.
You know, we have contractual obligations here.
You know, some of us, you know, like, I mean, like I signed up, Charlie asked me to do certain things, you know, and so I apologize, of course, for this very low performing episode of Human Events Daily.
Okay, so we just ended the first portion of the interview, but we're now a couple weeks later.
And there's been some interesting developments since the first part of the interview, which we did at Turning Point SAS.
And so I realized that, hey, we got to add a coda or something onto this.
Producer Angelo said, you know, you got to get him back on to explain this because Dr. James Lindsay went and got himself completely banned from Twitter now, not just double secret probation, straight to Siberia, straight to the gulag.
And unfortunately, the kids from Stranger Things are not coming to save him.
So, Dr. James Lindsay, we've got you back for this coda.
What the heck happened?
Well, I did the one intolerable thing.
I beat a leftist at a word game.
Oh, no.
Yeah, that's their thing, right?
They don't let you do that.
Because I was doing the whole OK groomer thing, and they didn't like that.
And they put me in timeout, you know, double secret probation.
And it wore off.
And I came back and I had to go poke the bear.
And I went to the same people and said, OK, child sexualization specialist, which I thought was really clever.
Wait, because they, but hold on, but I see what you're doing there because they told you that you couldn't say groomer anymore.
So you said, all right, I'm not going to say groomer, but you have to say something.
Do you have to say something?
They're, they're sexualizing children.
You have to say something.
So I called the same person, a child sexualization specialist, and they nuked me from orbit.
That was the end of that.
Um, Rip me.
So Siberia is called truth social, apparently.
And get her.
Don't don't.
We love we love her, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, kind of all of the other ones everywhere else is still thriving.
So, yeah, that's what happened.
I outsmarted them with a word game.
And that's intolerable.
And the same person.
It's this Alejandro Caraballo or something like this is on this like war path and is trying to get everybody banned.
They got our friend Gays Against Groomers banned.
Today, apparently.
Permaband.
They're going after lots of other people in this space.
Wait, wait, I saw that.
I saw that, but I didn't dig into it.
That was actually a permanent ban or was that just double secret probation?
Nope, that's it.
Gone.
Permanent ban.
Okay, so explain that.
I mean, you don't have to explain it, but right.
So this was a group.
So the idea is, okay, their logic, and this is what you're the expert on, is under unpacking their logic.
Their logic is that these are slurs against the LGBT community.
But Gays Against Groomers is part, obviously, part of the LGBT community.
So, of course, they had to be banned because, again, that beats themselves at their own game.
Yeah, it's that's, that's 100% of it is that they are hiding behind everyday LGBT people as human shields.
And anything that kind of exposes that there's actually horrid behaviors happening, unacceptable behaviors happening here.
That has to be, you know, you have to silence people who make that obvious so they can keep their human shields out in front of them, which has ever since, you know, the 80s and 90s has been this broader LGBT community that wanted a civil rights movement, that wanted equal rights and basically to be considered normal citizens and left alone.
But as opposed to this kind of rampant queer theory based activism that the other team wanted, And that other team has taken over completely and Gays Against Groomers had to go.
I had to go.
Thereafter lives of TikTok viciously.
Other people, I know you and I just made the list for the Human Rights Campaign, Groomer Doomsday, you know, list or whatever they put out along with Marjorie and Lauren.
So, They're on a warpath to try to silence this narrative about groomers because it hit bullseye and they tried everything they could do to get it off of them, to turn it around, to flip it over, to claim the word in a positive sense.
Everybody grooms, so we groom correctly.
They tried that.
Yes, of course, college is about grooming students.
That was an article somebody wrote.
Yes, of course, we're grooming kids.
That was an article somebody wrote.
And when that didn't work out for them, that switched to censorship, which is the last step they have before it switches to violence.
And what that means is that they're admitting that that's exactly what they're doing.
And that is something that they're going to try at the most last desperate effort to cover up.
And thanks for admitting it is all I have to say to that.
No, I mean, I always say, you know, on the show that you understand what point in the movie you're in and And, you know, Charlie Kirk likes to say, do you know what time it is?
And same idea that, you know, if you If you look at the situation that way, then the censorship, the Raid on Mar-a-Lago, all of this stuff just fits into place.
It's the only explanation that fits the facts, rather than, oh, these people just mean well, and they're just trying to protect others.
No, it's not about that.
And it's never been about that.
Even on the grooming one, because I talk about One of the one of the first specials we did ever on this show was a Jeffrey Epstein special.
And we were talking about Ghislaine Maxwell.
And we went through and just did kind of every facet of the case back when that was on.
And they brought a grooming specialist into the case.
And she was a child psychologist.
And she went through all the stages of grooming and just just walks through and clearly states that introducing sexualized topics and normalizing sexual discussion, sexual behavior, and then eventually Sexual contact with the child, sexual physical contact.
These are all parts of the stages of grooming.
And I said, wait a minute, you know, I don't think anyone accused Jeffrey Epstein of necessarily being, you know, he wasn't homosexual as far as we know, right?
You know, that was just pedophilia.
And again, when we're talking about grooming, this was part of a major case.
Everyone in the world was talking about it.
And it was, you know, it was totally above board.
But then when you apply that exact same rubric that they lay out in the Ghislaine Maxwell case, as part of the Epstein operation to anywhere else in the country, that and I'm not talking about by the way, the top of the funnel, they always say, well, it's it's compliments and it's It's gift giving and targeting and okay right you know you can give somebody a gift you can pay someone a compliment it doesn't mean you're grooming obviously but it's when you start to go down that funnel that yes it does become grooming and we've laid out the cases specifically.
Yeah, it's unambiguous in this case.
And while there is, of course, the pedophilic aspect, I think what's happening there is an open door is being left that people are able to walk through because you've lost the ability to discern because kids have been brought into a situation where talking about sexuality and sexual topics has been normalized around them.
But what's actually happening is that they're inducing them into the cult of gender ideology, or as it's more aptly called queer Marxism, where the where the idea is, you know, well, if you feel uncomfortable with your body, maybe you're not the sex that you are, maybe if you think you're a girl, you're actually a boy, or the way that you feel inside actually matters.
This is the point they tell you there's a paper written about drag queen story hour, called drag pedagogy and curriculum inquiry.
It's a major journal.
Uh, in education.
It's not like some fringe thing.
And they actually say that the, the point, they say that first of all, that they use it as a marketing scheme to say that it's about LGBT empathy, but they say that so they can get it brought into places.
But they tell you the real goal is to lead kids to ask the questions, what they call generative themes in education theory about, you know, why are you dressed as a woman?
And then the reply might be, doesn't matter if a man dresses like a man or dresses like a woman, maybe people can dress however they want.
What do you think?
And you're, you're grooming these children.
Into the queer Marxist way of viewing the world, which is by definition oppositional to anything that can be considered normal or normative.
In other words, you're deliberately grooming them into a cult of destabilization using themes of sex, gender and sexuality to do it.
And if you look at that funnel, it's, or those steps, any of the models of cult grooming, it matches.
So we see this, and I will occasionally go because I want, so I've got a four-year-old and a one-year-old, and for my four-year-old, I can already see, man, the YouTube and the screens of the world.
They're catching his eye.
They're so distracting.
They're so interesting.
He wants that.
But I'm trying to also inculcate the love of reading with him.
And so we'll go to bookstores, we'll go to the library regularly.
But when you go to those bookstores, that table is always right there, the kids books, and you go and look at it.
And sometimes it isn't even necessarily LGBT, but it you'll, we saw this one book and Tonya and I were talking about my wife and it said, it said, it's okay that daddy can't mow the lawn.
And I remember reading this and saying like, This is amazing.
I have to look at this.
What is this saying?
It's okay that daddy knows how to make cakes and mommy mows the lawn.
And I'm trying to think about that in my personal life.
I don't know any guys that make cakes and I don't think I know any women off the top of my head that that mow the lawn, right?
That's just not something that I've ever encountered.
But when you look at it, it's they're trying to just from even not necessarily a sexual perspective, but they're changing these gender roles.
And they want to tell you that, first of all, you know, that's a whole nother special we could do on the crisis of masculinity.
But the idea that you're changing gender roles and flipping these things around, but they're even coming from a perspective of things already are this way and you should just accept it.
That only takes one generation.
You only need one generation to believe that, because then the kids come home and they say, oh no, mom and dad, you're wrong because in school I was told this.
And that's it, that's all you need.
Yeah, and that's ultimately what the point of this, or one of the points, there are many points, as far as I can discern, for this grooming into this cult ideology.
And one of them is, in fact, that not only do you destabilize the kids, but you bring them into this mentality where they go home and they tell their parents what their learning in school about the world, about society, about themselves, and the parents don't recognize it, and they try to intervene, then the reaction from the child, especially when it's sexual, is going to be, you don't understand me.
Things have changed.
It's different now.
All right.
Well, I don't want to take up too much of your time because I know you've got places to be and things to do, but unfortunately not tweets to write.
But we'll get you back and hopefully we'll pull in Alex Berenson or maybe when, if and when.
It looks like Elon Musk is going to have to be locked into this contract.
So we'll see what happens there over in Delaware and if we can get some lines into him on this.
But that being said, where can people go to follow you in the interim as now that you have been permanently banned by the Twitter overlords?
I mean, my YouTube channel is still active, so it's YouTube slash New Discourses.
But I personally am still at Conceptual James on Truth and on Getter, and kind of around the other Siberian social media platforms.
So I'm still around.
Pay attention to the website, newdiscourses.com.
All of my podcast content gets put up there so that it's easy to find.
and all the kind of developments that I have going on will be advertised there until, you know, we try to figure out what to do centralizing.
I'm not enchanted with social media anymore, so I'm not that worried if Twitter doesn't ever let me back in.
I feel like I've actually been shaken free of something that I don't think, I think it's almost a delusion that we all use it.
So you're off the dopamine rollercoaster is what it is.
Yeah, I actually feel better.
It's So, you know, President Trump said that, too, actually.
Yeah, yeah, totally, totally feel better, happier.
I don't have more free time because people are just filled in with text messages and phone calls.
It turns out.
Yeah, but these are good problems.
Yeah.
Staying busy.
So the website, NewDiscourses.com, YouTube slash New Discourses and Conceptual James on the Siberian Truth Social and Getter and so on.
All right.
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