AUG 4, 2022 - JAMES O’KEEFE: WHY I’M SUING THE NY TIMES AND CNN
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW with the man, the myth, the legend - James O’Keefe, founder of Project Veritas. Poso and O’Keefe discuss Project Veritas’ legal cases with the New York Times and CNN for defamation. O’Keefe dissects the difference between facts and opinions, and calls Jack Posobiec one of the “TOP 10 THREATS”. Here’s your Daily dose of Human Events with @JackPosobiec Save up to 65% on MyPillow products by going to MyPillow.com/POSO and use code POSO To get $150 off each 3-mo...
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We are excited to welcome back now Human Events Daily, none other than the man, the myth, the James O'Keefe.
James, you've just finished the, I would almost say speech, but a routine.
I would say it's more of a routine now that you're doing at the Turning Point events.
You attempted to do a performance in Las Vegas.
You were prevented from doing so, much of the chagrin of everyone who wanted to come.
But tell us, What is the latest?
Because I understand you are pressing forward with legal cases against both the New York Times and, was it CNN? Yes.
And CNN, yes.
So we sued CNN for defamation.
We sued the New York Times for defamation.
And the CNN case, CNN filed what's called a motion to dismiss.
Of course.
And in this document, They said, because what happened was we recorded this Facebook guy outside of his house, and there was a number on his lamp post.
The number was not blurred in the video.
And all journalists filmed numbers.
So this was an accident.
It wasn't a big deal.
Twitter banned us citing this.
We violated this guy's privacy.
But CNN, the same thing with Brett Kavanaugh and- Yeah, they routinely do this to their targets.
But we did it.
It wasn't malicious or anything.
So they banned us from Twitter.
And then CNN goes on the air and says, we were banned for promoting misinformation.
Well, that's not why we were banned.
So we suited for defamation.
The judge in Georgia, there's a federal judge, said, well, there's no difference between posting a number on a lamppost and promoting disinformation, which is absurd.
There is a difference.
So we appealed that to what's called the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Yes.
And that's where it sits and a judgment will be delivered in a year from now.
In the New York Times case, that's really, again, if I say these things it sounds like comedy and you might like, your mouth is wide open, that's because it's so ridiculous.
We sued the New York Times for defamation because they called me deceptive and part of a disinformation campaign.
The New York Times defensive court was that that was an opinion The judge said, well, you putting your opinion in the first sentence of an article and a news factual article, that is deception and disinformation.
The New York Times appealed that judgment to the appellate division and they said that the words verifiable and deceptive have no actual meaning.
So now the New York Times is saying that words have no meaning, which is really rich because you can't have it both ways.
Kind of endemic of where we are today.
It is.
And the USA Today and Facebook relies upon groups like the New York Times to do their fact checking.
So what is fact?
What is opinion?
These are really seminal constitutional issues.
And all the while that's happening, the FBI raids me.
Correct.
I filed two motions in federal court in New York City, federal court, try to get my stuff back.
Also filed a motion to unseal unseal the basis, the probable cause for the raid, which remains a mystery at this point.
So the last time I interviewed you, we had you on the show.
It was I want to say December.
Yeah.
Right.
And this was something we were talking about.
We were saying we wanted to get you wanted to get the warrant.
Right.
Because.
Yeah.
Everyone is under the Fourth Amendment.
You have the right, as an American citizen, to at least see the warrant.
What are the charges?
What's come up against you?
What is the purpose for this rape?
And it goes back to being able to face your accuser.
This goes back to Roman law, believe it or not.
You've yet to actually see that.
No.
If you're a federal search, federal search warrants are quite rare.
I mean, for the FBI to execute a warrant and raid someone's home, it may be followed by an immediate indictment upon which time it does get unsealed.
The affidavit gets unsealed in a criminal trial.
But there has been no trial of me.
No one has been charged with anything.
The things on the warrant were accessory after the fact, transportation of stolen documents across state lines, which you do routinely.
The New York Times, every journalist transports stolen material.
That's what journalists do.
So for them to put this on a warrant...
I've got a couple of copies of the Hunter Biden hard drive with me.
Right.
So it's a ridiculous, absurd, even, it's a non-crime, but it's absurd to put on a warrant that these are the things that justify the raid.
So what we're trying to do is show the affidavit.
I want to see who lied to the FBI. Was it Ashley Biden?
Right.
Well, are they going to prosecute the president's daughter for lying to the FBI? And Ashley Biden's lawyer is also the attorney for the daughter-in-law of the federal prosecutor who obtained the warrants.
A lot of this stuff is in the weeds.
People's eyes sort of glaze over.
But the process is the punishment.
They put you through this.
Well, this is Kafka, right?
This is Kafka's seminal work, The Trial.
In the original German, the name of the book is Der Prozess.
And that, of course, by the end of it, Kafka is let off for execution for which the crime is never actually stated to Kafka.
Right.
Well, to the main character, I should say.
I think it's Joseph F. is the main character.
He's never actually told what he's being charged with.
Well, the Kafkaesque thing here is that A federal judge in December, when I spoke with you, appointed what's called a special master.
Yes.
And in this motion, she goes, well, there's First Amendment issues.
These are journalistic concerns.
That's her word.
If you're a journalist, the United States law says you have to unseal that affidavit.
You must show people the evidence.
That's self-evident, right?
Let's say they were raiding your home, Jack, and they said, I need to look through all of your source material to make sure you're not breaking the law.
You would say, well, that's absurd.
You want to look through all my anonymous sources to ensure I'm not breaking the law?
That's circular reasoning.
They would never do that to NBC News.
They would never do that to the New York Times.
Because they couldn't get away with it optically.
And here's the thing, and I'll be very clear about this.
Every working journalist in America that uses sources to receive documents, Recordings, obviously, recordings, James O'Keefe, you were infamous and famous for your recordings, right?
Of course, we are constantly asking our sources for these tidbits, whether it's a document, whether it's a factoid, or up to the level of, I would say pretty much the highest thing you could get is a recording.
That's probably the hardest thing to achieve.
And the fact that you were able to do so so masterfully, I don't know if everyone out there understands, it's actually quite hard to achieve these.
You're running potentially weeks of Well, the most remarkable thing that happened since I saw you is we had an FBI whistleblower come to us.
An FBI. And this person gave us a document on their own computer system that called us journalists.
The prosecutors in our own case refused to call us that.
They actually said, you're not a journalist because you don't get consent.
To record people, which is also absurd on five different levels, primary being many people at NBC News expose Jiffy Lube and Chicago Sun-Times undercover work.
I'd love to ask the FBI if they have a practice of getting consent before they go to record people.
This whole thing is so—it's Kafkaesque.
I consider it— Some combination of Orwellian and Kafkaesque because, you know, George Orwell, the famous line, 1984, doublethink.
Doublethink means holding two contradictory beliefs in one's own mind and believing them simultaneously.
I don't know if it's an ideology.
It's a form of irrationality.
But the good news is, as irrational as it was, these FBI agents, one of them blew the whistle.
One of them assigned to my case blew the whistle.
That's extraordinary.
James, but let me take it back a second because you find yourself fighting these fights.
You're still out there.
You're still working in the midst of all this.
You're doing on national tours, essentially.
Why go through all this?
Why fight?
Wouldn't it be much easier to just say, you know what?
They're going to write what they write about me.
Why fight the fights?
Why go to court?
Why go tooth and nail the way you do?
Why not just push it off and forget it?
Well, because you're passionate about it and your passion exceeds whatever pain you experience.
When you're really driven to achieve this, you want to get the story and show people what's going on.
You're so passionate about it.
Meeting that goal, getting to the top of the mountain, that it justifies the pain.
The first chapter of the book, American Muckraker, which came out in January, is called Suffering.
The first chapter of my book, the preface, is called Suffering.
And I take this head on.
And after the raid, it was certainly traumatizing to my colleagues.
They went to Spencer's home, Eric's home.
These are colleagues of mine.
And they point guns at you.
They're pointing guns at us now, Jack.
Since we last spoke, I had an incident in Davos.
Yes, you did.
I was detained, was not arrested, and the fact checkers were trying to play some weird game that I had I had said something that didn't happen.
I said detained.
We were detained at gunpoint.
None of us were handcuffed.
But myself, every single member of my crew frisked, fully frisked, full body frisked, behind a stack of tables over around the corner of the food court, which is attached to where the World Economic Forum was being held.
For the crime of standing and filming and reporting on the World Economic Forum.
But these officers, they were holding MP5s, that's a 9mm semi-automatic, and in some cases flagging us with the guns.
And I've said this, that's where the barrel is directed, you know, where it could hit you.
And we're never told what it was.
They had patches.
There are half a dozen of these guys that said World Economic Forum Police.
That's why I reported it.
We seem to be detained by the World Economic Forum Police.
The fact checkers leapt to the defense, not of us, right?
Same way they wouldn't leap to your defense, but to say, actually, those patches are ceremonial and it's a detachment of the local police that's assigned to the World Economic Forum.
You see, you need to be accurate when you're reporting Meanwhile, I'm actually standing on the road on the side of an Alpine mountain being held by these police trying to get my own story out.
Well, I mean, and that's another example.
You're a threat, Jack.
I mean, what you do, you're one of the top ten threats.
And you're still on Twitter, right?
For now.
Last I checked.
I was tweeting just before we came on.
They removed me for photographing.
In a photograph, there was a lamp post with a number.
These are absurd things.
I mean, it's so absurd that there was a lot of good news.
I said in my speech here at Turning Point, the fact that both of the two restaurants in New York City that Twitter guy ran into, they were fans of mine.
The owners of the restaurant loved us.
In fact, you have an FBI whistleblower come forth.
And I think the truth wins in the end.
The arc of the moral universe is long and it bends towards justice.
The most important thing is to not give up.
The most important thing is to just not give up.
Because when you don't give up and you keep running towards the fire, like as Breitbart once said, you send a message to people that they can do it too.
And there are, and it's also a lot of fun.
I mean, if you see my speech here today, it was just, the whole thing was a comedy bit.
Like the whole thing.
It was just Hilarious.
Well, I appreciate that you're able to turn it into that, right?
You know, being from the military, you know, we deal with a lot of heavy stuff and you just have to have, you have that gallows humor, that black humor sometimes.
You have to, yeah.
And if you don't turn that on, that's when you turn into Nietzsche and lose your mind.
Well, you know, there are moments of that, but there's also moments of extreme hope and the amount of people that come up to us You might have people that come up to me and say, don't stop, keep doing this.
And there's more than you might think.
I mean, people inside the media talk to me that are in the mainstream media.
They secretly like Project Veritas.
But they're afraid to, like the Samistat and the Soviet Union, they're afraid to say anything publicly for fear of retaliation.
All that matters is to keep going.
And we have a very historic case of the FBI. They rule against us on this motion.
That's historic.
If they rule for us on this motion, that's historic.
We expect a ruling any month now.
I know we're pressed for time, but the last thing I want to ask you on, I know we're in an election year.
Elections have historically been something that you are very known for.
Do you have anything in the works campaign-wise as we lead towards the midterms of 2020?
The answer is yes.
I mean, what don't we have in the works?
I mean, we have people everywhere.
So you'll see in September and October, I don't know if you saw the Crystal Matthews story we did in South Carolina.
That was a United States Senate candidate running against Tim Scott.
And she goes, I got dope money.
This is a senator, or I'm sorry, a Senate candidate running in the general election, bragging about duffel bags filled with dope money.
And she won the primary against Sir Scott.
It's like an episode of The Wire.
And then she says, we're white supremacists.
I don't know where she got that from.
And then she apologized for what she said.
So yeah, we have more, we have people everywhere.
And if you're watching this, veritastipsatprotonmail.com is our encrypted email.
That's how we got the recording of Crystal Matthews in a jail.
Really?
She was talking on the phone in the jail cell to an inmate bragging about all these things.
But you got that in as a cold tip?
That was a whistleblower.
Wow.
That was a source.
Which is really, I mean, where else are they going to go?
Are they going to go to the Washington Post?
It's true.
They can't go there.
So the FBI raiding journalists' homes, and basically their whole intent was to go through 200,000 of my emails.
Apparently they didn't get anything, because Lord knows they would have leaked that to the Hardy Boys of the New York Times, like Mike Schmidt and Adam Goldman.
Adam Goldman, yeah.
The entire national security apparatus of the New York Times investigating Project Veritas.
So they got nothing.
All they got were a few legal memos that were like, maybe make us look good.
So stay tuned.
VeritasTips at ProtonMail.com and I hope to talk to you soon.
