Jack sits down with founder of Project Veritas James O'Keefe to discuss James’ recent encounters with the FBI, NYT, and CNN's Jake Tapper.Here is your daily dose of Human Events with @JackPosobiecSupport the Show.
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| Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to a very special episode, a very special edition of Human Events Daily. | |
| I am here on the sidelines on Meteor Row of AmericaFest with the one, the only, the man who needs really no introduction, ladies and gentlemen, James O'Keefe. | |
| Jack, great to be with you. | |
| Now, James, before I get into the actual interview, that Appearance, right, that you conducted at AmericaFest. | |
| And for those that are just listening, do yourself a favor. | |
| Pause this if you haven't seen it yet. | |
| Just hit pause on the podcast. | |
| Go and watch James's appearance, right, at AmericaFest, and then come back. | |
| James, how would you describe? | |
| I don't even know how to put into words what you did up there. | |
| Well, it's like Cats meets Hamilton meets Andrew Breitbart meets Charlie Kirk meets Project Veritas meets Cinema Verite meets Nonfiction. | |
| I would throw a little Upton Sinclair maybe. | |
| Upton Sinclair, yeah. | |
| For those of you who have not seen the, I guess you could call it a performance this morning, it was narrated portions of my forthcoming book, American Muckraker, which is all true story. | |
| You can't even make this stuff up. | |
| Which, and that's how I've always, because even after we've got to know each other, even prior to that, I always viewed you as just a traditional muckraker. | |
| But the thing about traditional muckrakers is they used pencil and paper. | |
| Well. | |
| So, the whole thing is... | |
| Well, in the vein, I should say. | |
| I mean, Upton Sinclair used the pencil and paper, but when you write something down, you're not going to capture it as accurately as you would if you were to videotape it. | |
| Correct. | |
| So the video and the advent of hidden video has changed the world and it's because it's so true, it's caused a lot of people to react to it in a different way. | |
| So this thing we did today, it was us dancing in prison jumpsuits to Naughty by Nature. | |
| It was an EDM concert with FBI agents arresting me. | |
| It was taking you through these scenes in my life and our lives in a way that was very illuminating. | |
| And that's what I do want to get into as well because Even though, and I would call it, the only thing that comes to mind, it was art journalism. | |
| It was art journalism combined in a way that I've never seen anyone else conduct, but it was also a step beyond that because this wasn't a story that you were going out into the world and finding and grinding and going out into the forest and hunting down and pulling up. | |
| This was something that quite literally came to you and came to your doorstep. | |
| This particular fight, this past two months. | |
| I mean, the FBI showed up to my apartment with a battering ram and put me in handcuffs and threw me against the hallway and they've sort of crossed a Rubicon that they've never yet crossed before and they're doing it sort of because I am a journalist. | |
| The First Amendment makes it clear, the Supreme Court has established that if a person sends Jack, you a document, and that person obtained that document unlawfully, but transmitted it to you, you would have a right to publish it or not. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| That's established Supreme Court precedent. | |
| Which, by the way, happens on a weekly basis. | |
| Tuesday at the New York Times. | |
| Yeah, that's right. | |
| But they don't believe in equal justice under the law, and the only thing that they can say, which they have said, these prosecutors wrote in motions to the judges, Your Honor, James O'Keefe is not a journalist. | |
| Asked why, they said, because I don't get permission From the people I report on, which is an argument so absurd, it's almost like, it's the law of non-contradiction. | |
| The whole point of journalism is to report on things that they don't want reported on. | |
| Otherwise, you're just an ombudsman for the fraudsters. | |
| So, and I think going back to this sort of cinema verite art, journalism nowadays, New York Times, and you're a student of this, Washington Post and the New York Times, they're so good with sophistry. | |
| Oh yes. | |
| They word things that you have to be really Manipulative to take something good and decent and turn it into something venial. | |
| Let me just give you one example. | |
| The New York Times did an article document. | |
| They got our lawyer documents. | |
| How they got them, I don't know. | |
| New York Times got our attorney client. | |
| They said, documents show how far deceptive reporting Veritas practices could go before running afoul of the law. | |
| You know another way to say that? | |
| We check with lawyers to make sure we didn't break the law. | |
| But why didn't they say that? | |
| Exactly. | |
| Which is something I have to do every day, especially with the way Turning Point operates. | |
| As a C3, we go to compliance. | |
| We say, hey, send this to compliance. | |
| Double check. | |
| I'm following. | |
| I've been through the training. | |
| I've been through all the different briefings and legal... | |
| Reviews that I have to do, but at the same time, if I've got something that I believe is in that zone where I want to get a lawyer to take their eyes on it, of course I go to compliance, I say, take a look at this, and I say, are we good? | |
| I say, are we good? | |
| And that's what any patriotic, American, law-abiding citizen should do. | |
| But what I've learned, and I would say, Jack, it really hit me I don't know if I want to use the word woke, but whatever the morally good version of being woke is, in other words, every pill, everyone's got white pills, red pills, I can't even track. | |
| Of all the different colored pills these days, I don't even know what they mean, but I really woke up to what, when I was banned on Twitter, I was like, okay. | |
| That was April of this year. | |
| Before that, I was this naive, I guess you could say I was slightly naive, and I still am. | |
| I think you have to be. | |
| Idealistic and maybe slightly naive, otherwise you'll go crazy. | |
| But when they banned me from Twitter for quoting CNN, I was quoting Charlie Chester saying, we're propaganda, we use fear, and they banned me for it. | |
| And I thought, okay, now this is getting real. | |
| Look, we're dealing with a situation where I think with a lot of these institutions that we think of as, you know, Twitter used to call themselves the free speech platform of the free speech party. | |
| These other institutions, the Wall Street Times, not so much the Wall Street Times, but a little bit, really, but though the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, they have dropped the mask, quite frankly, and they have decided to become the most deceptive, the most propagandistic terms. | |
| And by the way, Having served in the intel community, you know, when you're dealing with a foreign country, like say a country in the Middle East, right, and you're dealing with like Qatar or something, well this is exactly how the media is over there, because you know, this outlet is tied to this oligarch, this outlet is tied to some intel agency, this outlet is tied to some Wahhabist sect or something, and so we just kind of take that as par for the course. | |
| But we never thought that that would happen to American media. | |
| We always thought that we were holding ourselves to a higher standard. | |
| Media was held to a higher standard. | |
| But I do think that with relaxing a lot of these standards, it's not so much that we've become something new, it's that we've become like everywhere else. | |
| Yes, the lack of nationalist borders on the internet, right? | |
| Twitter and Google and Facebook, there's no border. | |
| No, of course. | |
| The country, and that's the thing about, I've been sued a lot, as you know, and I've won every lawsuit because that's under the American system of jurisprudence. | |
| Yes. | |
| They take these irrational, incoherent, perhaps, European arguments or South African arguments and bring them into an American courtroom, you'll get laughed out of court. | |
| Right. | |
| I was sued by a guy named Bob Kramer and went to a jury verdict. | |
| I remember this, yes. | |
| And this federal judge was like, this is absurd! | |
| The judge was like, You're suing him because James O'Keefe didn't ask enough questions? | |
| Imagine if you sued CBS for that. | |
| You'd be laughed out of court. | |
| So, I guess your point is well taken because you're taking these irrational, unconstitutional arguments, but when you actually put them under scrutiny, and that's what happened in my case with the FBI recently, where they went to court, the Reporters Committee, Jack, the ACLU was defending me. | |
| The ACLU, have you ever seen that before? | |
| The answer is no. | |
| Have you ever been on the same side as ACLU before? | |
| I would say you'd have to go back to 2009, the Acorn story, when Jon Stewart and The Daily Show were defending me. | |
| Wow. | |
| It's been a good 11, 12 years. | |
| No, the Jeff Epstein story on Amy Robach, we saw a lot of people on the left Defend, true, what we were doing, and some of the teachers that we've exposed. | |
| But to see the ACLU and the Reporters Committee, Wolf Blitzer's on the board, all these guys that hate me are on the board. | |
| They went into a New York City federal courtroom and defended me. | |
| And the judge and the prosecutors were arguing in these documents that I'm not a journalist because I don't get permission. | |
| It just doesn't work. | |
| It's an argument that's illogical. | |
| And if I do lose, That battle. | |
| Then it's game over for all of us. | |
| That's something so fundamental that, you know. | |
| They want you to be the canary in the coal mine. | |
| They want you to be, they're trying to make an example of you. | |
| That's what they're doing. | |
| I mean, all the people on the left were like, on Twitter, like, there was that one sentence, it was like, James O'Keefe was in his underwear. | |
| They all took a screenshot of that. | |
| It's almost like that's what they want. | |
| They want humiliation. | |
| You know, I wasn't going to bring this up, but I saw people sharing that, and I saw everybody posting that, and it struck me because you look at one of those people's Twitter accounts, and every single one of them says, uh, open borders, everyone welcome, Hope lives here, hope lives here, we stand for justice, the moral arc of the universe. | |
| And I said, but wait a minute, the minute someone runs afoul of your predilections or your particular political biases, suddenly you're laughing and cajoling about a situation like this. | |
| Humiliation, it does not, It's not even humiliation, it's almost repulsive to your soul. | |
| That's so un-American, and that's why the ACLU got involved, because it kind of rubs you the wrong way. | |
| But to see people celebrating it, and to see people this week, we exposed a CNN guy, his name is Rick Salibi, I'm going to say that again. | |
| Rick Salibi, recorded by a former sex worker. | |
| She's now working for people who have addiction problems. | |
| She's known Rick for 10 years. | |
| And she recorded him fantasizing, and usually I would not report something like this, but he was fantasizing about a 14-year-old girl and he was asking for pictures of her 15-year-old daughter and saying things I can't speak into the microphone. | |
| But we released text messages, FaceTime videos. | |
| On that piece right there, when I went to cover that story, and we covered it both, both when you first released it and when you did Name Him, which came out later, I went to the staff here and I said, guys, I don't think we can play this stuff. | |
| There was maybe one piece where they were describing the text messages because, and the way I said it was, it went from triple X to X to NC-17, and then maybe I think this bit is just about R. And I didn't show you, I blurred things, I almost fainted when I... So there's more. | |
| There's more, there's a lot more graphic stuff. | |
| Wow. | |
| So here's the thing I've learned about journalism. | |
| Now the argument is don't release the, speaking generally, don't release the information about the teacher or whatever, because it could harm that person. | |
| So the new argument from the people that don't like Project Veritas is that Those visuals of the people behaving badly will harm them because people will be so outraged about what they're doing that it would induce violence against them. | |
| Well, here you have a case where who's the person being harmed? | |
| Is it the guy who we're going to expose? | |
| Or is it the 13, 14-year-old girl who might be harmed? | |
| And that's where you have this clash of things. | |
| So my question is, is Rick Salibi still working for CNN? Jake Tapper, what say you? | |
| What is the status of your employee? | |
| Last time, you secretly fired Steve Brusk. | |
| That was another guy we exposed. | |
| Oh, I know, I know. | |
| But this time, we have FaceTime calls. | |
| We have a source on the record who was a sex worker, and she was very brave, and she had to give, send, go, and we've raised her some money. | |
| But is he still working for Jake Tapper? | |
| Well, James, and here's, you know, I said this on the podcast recently when the story broke. | |
| I said, Jake, help us out here. | |
| We've got the audio of this, but we don't know for sure that voice, and so we have the eyewitness, we have a lot of evidence, the text message, and I'm sure... | |
| The fiance filed a police report. | |
| Oh, this is new information. | |
| I'm sure you text the... | |
| This is new information. | |
| The fiance of the... | |
| This is so messed up, it's gonna make you sick, but I won't say it graphically. | |
| Rick Salibi was engaged to this woman, whose name I will not say, to protect her. | |
| Oh, a separate woman. | |
| No, this is, he had a fiancé, and the fiancé's daughter is the one he was fantasizing about, the woman that is going to live with him, this 14-year-old girl. | |
| The fiancé, I reached out to her and she's like, I hate you guys at Project Veritas, and then, because of, for political, after the story came out, she thanked me. | |
| I have the text message. | |
| She's thanking us. | |
| We published it. | |
| She gave us the permission to publish her text message. | |
| And she went to the police about Rick Salibi. | |
| So now we have a police report filed. | |
| So what I want to ask Jake Tapper, though, is, Jake, when I do this work and I'm on TV and you're on TV, Jake, there's a thing called the IFB. And that's that little headphone that goes in your ear. | |
| And what are you listening to on that? | |
| It's your producer's voice. | |
| You always hear it, whether on the other side of the glass or whoever, on the other side of the camera, the lights, etc. | |
| I don't think there's anyone else on Earth who's more qualified to identify that voice than Jake Tapper himself. | |
| And he won't do it. | |
| So Jake, just tell us, yes or no, is that the voice? | |
| They're gonna secretly fire him, Jack, and we can't let that happen. | |
| Twitter took down the video. | |
| I saw. | |
| At 1.3 million views. | |
| I saw. | |
| Why the hell? | |
| Well, no, you told me the other night, and then I scrolled back. | |
| They had took it down from my own account when I had embedded the video. | |
| Why is Twitter taking down a video exposing this guy who's, you know, underage girl, you know, taking... | |
| What the... | |
| Is CNN... No, here's the more profound question. | |
| So that gets taken down, but not the... | |
| Is Time Warner putting pressure on Twitter? | |
| Is Jeff Zucker calling someone? | |
| And telling them, this is unbelievable. | |
| And this is why Project Veritas matters. | |
| I had to go to Rumble, and I had to go to Getter, and I went there, I found everything, specifically on Rumble. | |
| And it was there, and it was, you know, I type in Veritas CNN, first result, no question. | |
| And we are now getting to a point where You are going to have parallel infrastructure. | |
| We're already seeing parallel economy. | |
| You just mentioned Give, Send, Go, right? | |
| We're already seeing this take place because Give, Send, Go, and if you know this, you probably do, they're working not only on crowdfunding, they're doing payment processing. | |
| Good for them. | |
| They're even talking about getting, I don't know if I'm saying something I shouldn't, they're even working on banking. | |
| Good for them. | |
| They're looking at ways to go through all of the different levels that you would need to be able to conduct this. | |
| And they're going to become a target. | |
| And they will become a target next. | |
| Because we've raised half a million dollars from many of our whistleblowers. | |
| Think about this, I mean, just take a moment to process. | |
| Half a million dollars for these whistleblowers through $10 donations, it's really a beautiful thing, and it's given people, Jack, because in the 20th century, if you were a whistleblower, your life was over. | |
| You could go to Mike Wallace or Peter Jennings. | |
| Wait, wait, wait, wait. | |
| But that Facebook whistleblower, James, I saw her and she came out with Frances Holland and she comes out and she's got a book deal. | |
| She's speaking in front of Congress. | |
| Well, what do you mean? | |
| Well, I mean, it's because it's about the findings. | |
| They make it about our methods, but it's ostensibly about our findings. | |
| What was amazing about that one, because we covered that story with Franz Holland, is that she wasn't a real whistleblower. | |
| Because a whistleblower, the way I've always understood it, is that's someone who's providing information that was secret, that was kept secret because it appeared She opposes the stated mission. | |
| And her, whereas hers was that they weren't censoring enough. | |
| And I was going to say, her revelations was that do more censorship. | |
| Right, exactly. | |
| It was like, you're not doing enough to censor people. | |
| This isn't a whistleblower, that's an operation. | |
| And I'm not like many people on the right who are, it's her right to do that. | |
| If you want to blow the whistle on the fact that your company's not doing enough fraud, well that's your prerogative. | |
| Whistleblowing is to walk outside the great stage of being. | |
| It's kind of like an astronaut tied to the mothership. | |
| You cut your umbilical cord, you float away. | |
| Whistleblowing is a very American ideal, and throughout the 20th century, people who did it were, 96% of them were like, I don't know if I should have done that. | |
| With Give, Send, Go and their great work, Because GoFundMe will just take it down. | |
| Right. | |
| People are able to sustain themselves. | |
| Yes. | |
| It's a movement, and that's the performance that we did. | |
| If you haven't watched it, watch it, because I brought them on the stage here, and it was like electric. | |
| Oh yeah, we didn't mention that. | |
| It was amazing. | |
| People sort of jumped up out of their chairs. | |
| Once they realized, because these videos have gotten millions and millions of views, you know, I always know when your team sends me, you send me a thing. | |
| I always send them to you. | |
| I just click it. | |
| I just click it. | |
| Even before I read it, I say, at this point with James, I'm just clicking it. | |
| I appreciate your trust. | |
| Because I know this is going to go up and up and up. | |
| And I think, and because they've taken you down on so many places that, and I watch it, don't worry, I watch it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And that, We are one of the last places here at Human Events that hasn't been taken down on Twitter and some of these places where we can actually get that message out. | |
| So going back to a little bit before, what can you tell us in terms of this whole FBI situation? | |
| Yeah, I can tell you anything. | |
| Where do things stand now? | |
| Or as far as you know, is what you were able to tell us. | |
| So what happened was, The FBI raided my home. | |
| I'm an American journalist. | |
| And they put me in handcuffs and they took my phones. | |
| And then the judge in New York, this is in the Southern District of New York, which is federal jurisdiction. | |
| Sometimes it's called the Sovereign District of New York because they do what they want to do. | |
| The federal judge ordered them to stop going through my phone. | |
| They had my phone for three or four days. | |
| And then, and this is a very unique and unusual thing, the federal judge ordered what's called a special master. | |
| Ah, yes. | |
| And the federal judge, and for those of you who think, well, Republican judge, no, this was an Obama-appointed judge. | |
| Explain for people, what is a special master? | |
| What does that mean? | |
| And I'm not doing justice to this because I'm not a lawyer, but I'll try to explain it in layman's terms. | |
| They appoint us usually as a prosecutorial taint team that goes to your phone because they're only supposed to find the evidence pertaining to the issue at hand. | |
| Right, so a special master, for people who aren't familiar with this, isn't usually brought in in a case like this. | |
| Never brought in. | |
| It usually has to deal with a situation where there's privilege. | |
| So whether that be like a medical malpractice, for example. | |
| Well, in this case, the judge cited journalistic privilege. | |
| Wow. | |
| Which is an extraordinary admission. | |
| The federal judge in New York cites the First Amendment and journalistic privilege. | |
| You can't count on one hand that happening in decades. | |
| I've never heard. | |
| Well, you've never heard of it because it's never happened. | |
| They did do it with Rudy Giuliani, but he's Rudy Giuliani. | |
| Sure. | |
| And they did it with James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, and the reporters' committee went to the magistrate judge who signed the warrant. | |
| Yes. | |
| Sarah Cave is her name. | |
| She was sent a letter by the Reporters Committee, Jack. | |
| This is extraordinary. | |
| You have to understand how surreal the circumstances are. | |
| The same people who are usually excoriating you. | |
| When Ben Smith, at the New York Times, and Josh Gerstein at Politico, and Wolf Blitzer, they wrote letters to the magistrate judge saying, what the hell? | |
| And the magistrate judge took that letter and forwarded it to the Department of Justice and said, what the hell? | |
| And there was an actual hearing. | |
| We should say, and we haven't put a point in this, the special master is someone who then looks at the files before they are given over to the investigators. | |
| There's usually a taint team within the prosecutorial team, but the judge said, and I'm paraphrasing, that doesn't really look good in this case, journalistic privilege. | |
| So now they've appointed an outside person that has my phone, and there's so much. | |
| So they still have your phone? | |
| They still have my phone, and people think, well, why don't they just give your phone back? | |
| Well, you know, listen, the DOJ won't roll over easily. | |
| Were you given a copy of the search warrant? | |
| Yeah, it's published. | |
| It's a public document. | |
| And what was their stated, you know, probable cause in all of this? | |
| So that's in an affidavit. | |
| Right. | |
| In order to execute an FBI... By the way, this is a very aggressive move by the Department of Justice. | |
| Extremely. | |
| People need to understand just how... | |
| I mean, Mike Schmidt, the New York Times, was on MSNBC, actually, credit to him, saying just how crazy this is. | |
| He said this yesterday, he goes, for the Department of Justice to execute a search warrant against a journalist, he said, that is the most aggressive thing you can possibly do. | |
| And we don't know the basis, because the affidavit is sealed. | |
| Got it. | |
| When the magistrate judge signs it. | |
| But the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland, signed a memo in July. | |
| Explicitly forbidding search warrants against journalists. | |
| So I actually, and I don't want to speculate, but I'm not sure that the Attorney General knew this was going on or who made this decision. | |
| But whoever made this decision, they made a mistake. | |
| They overstepped their skis. | |
| And now it's come out that the thing... | |
| It looks like it wasn't even stolen. | |
| And even if it was, which I didn't know if it was at the time, I'd be in my First Amendment right to publish whatever someone gives to me. | |
| Yes. | |
| And I chose not to publish it. | |
| And I chose to try to ask for comment. | |
| And then this week, the New York Times reporter characterized me asking for comment as trying to get, quote, leverage. | |
| Explain this for everybody. | |
| Explain this, right? | |
| New York Times, by the way, the New York Times doesn't hit this on me like every other freaking day. | |
| This is the Ashley Biden diary. | |
| They're obsessed. | |
| This is what we're talking about. | |
| We're talking about a whole host of issues that are interconnected. | |
| Diaries. | |
| But that's kind of the central... | |
| I guess that's the pretense. | |
| Pretext. | |
| Every other day, Jack, there's a front-page hit piece on Project Veritas. | |
| As I said to Charlie, it's like Dean Becket has a voodoo James O'Keefe doll and just sticks pins in it. | |
| Get that James O'Keefe. | |
| I gotta get him. | |
| I mean, they have nothing better to do than send their Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters out to try to, like... | |
| Butcher the English language. | |
| So they call, I reached out for Biden for comment. | |
| People, why did you do that? | |
| I thought you said you weren't going to publish the diary. | |
| Well, yes, I made the decision editorially. | |
| I couldn't authenticate it. | |
| And even if I could, I mean, I wasn't certain that it was hers. | |
| And I wasn't certain if the things inside of the diary happened. | |
| But I still felt it was a good idea to call for comment or have Jared, my lawyer, reach out to them and see what they had to say. | |
| And then, Mike Schmidt of the New York Times says, They use the diary as leverage. | |
| And then Rachel Maddow takes that quote, invites Mike Schmidt of the New York Times on the show. | |
| He's a Pulitzer Prize reporter and says, now Mike, it appears that it was an extortion attempt. | |
| You should have seen look on Mike Schmidt's face. | |
| He was like, Well, before we get to that, let's talk about something. | |
| Mike Schmidt did not push back on Rachel Maddow. | |
| So then I proceeded to eat ramen noodles, like the guy from the... | |
| By the way, this is the first TikTok I've seen you do. | |
| First TikTok I've ever done. | |
| I'm not a TikToker, but this situation deserved a TikTok. | |
| So I'm eating ramen noodles, and I'm like, it's called... | |
| It's called request for comment and I published the letter that my lawyer sent to the Biden and then I go and the New York Times dude did that with me two days ago and then you published the email from from the New York Times and it was the same guy extorting me from Schmidt right yeah Schmidt said please give me your comment by this date or I you know I will publish and that's why he couldn't answer the question because he knew that he had done the exact same thing to you yeah But do you see how they word it? | |
| It's so twisted. | |
| But do you see how they say it? | |
| It's so twisted. | |
| They say, leverage. | |
| Sounds evil. | |
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| It sounds like, I mean, and that's, but this is a really important point. | |
| Because you're the dark, James O'Keefe. | |
| But listen, this is a really, the way they're able to manipulate language These writers at the New York Times, they're almost like Picasso. | |
| They're able to take something and characterize it so that if I film the thing, it's completely opposite of the words that they use to describe it. | |
| And because they have the power of the algorithm to prefer their articles in the Twitter, Google, Facebook machine, that's the power that they have and I believe Project Veritas believes that the videotape of the thing occurring will defeat their propaganda descriptions of the thing. | |
| And if that isn't true, then... | |
| Well, James, and you know, and I know Veritas, but the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which just took place, the importance of raw video in that case, I truly believe, having looked at that day in, day out, that's what won the day. | |
| I think it was the fact that they had that raw video that made its way through the courthouse, that made its way into that jury room of the 12 people, despite the entire mainstream media, the regime, President Biden himself declaring this kid a white supremacist, they still couldn't defeat the power of video. | |
| And that's why they don't like it. | |
| And it's the same thing with you. | |
| And that's why they want to get... | |
| See, here's another interesting distinction. | |
| They want me to shut up. | |
| I want them to talk more. | |
| Yes, indeed. | |
| It's like a deposition. | |
| Please continue. | |
| I enjoy depositions. | |
| I want to bring popcorn. | |
| I love talking about my methods. | |
| I don't want to talk about my sources. | |
| The New York Times doxed My source with the diary. | |
| It's a very unjournalistic thing to do. | |
| But I love being deposed. | |
| And I've won every lawsuit. | |
| Do you know that we've won every single lawsuit? | |
| I do, because Tierman tells me every single time. | |
| Do you know how hard it is? | |
| To win. | |
| It is not that easy. | |
| And the reason we win is because we take them all the way to a jury verdict. | |
| And I'm willing to do that. | |
| You know who I'm a little frustrated with, but I understand is, who's the kid that got defamed with the Native American man? | |
| Salmon. | |
| What's his name? | |
| Nick Salmon. | |
| Nick Sandman. | |
| Yeah. | |
| He settled with NBC News this week. | |
| He did, yes. | |
| And I understand the fights, but you know what? | |
| He should depose NBC News. | |
| You say keep going. | |
| Keep going. | |
| Because I understand he is a few more out, a few more outstanding. | |
| Because in the discovery process, in litigation, you start getting their emails, you start getting their videotaped depositions. | |
| That's what litigation is all about. | |
| Which is why they want to settle before it goes to discovery. | |
| And I've been told in my New York Times defamation lawsuit that if it was anybody else, they'd give me money. | |
| And they may offer me money. | |
| And to that I say, I will not take your money. | |
| And they'll say, what's your price? | |
| And I'll say, my price is my life. | |
| Amen. | |
| Well, James, I'm a student of the communist revolution that took place in China, the cultural revolution, the CCP, what they did there. | |
| One of their most famous, infamous tactics was the struggle session, And the show trial. | |
| Making someone get up in front of their peers, repudiate themselves, admit that they did wrong, and have to internalize that. | |
| I think that's where they're going with you. | |
| And what advice do you have for me? | |
| My advice is, stand your ground. | |
| Stand your ground. | |
| I know you will. | |
| I know you will. | |
| James, we only have a couple of minutes left, a couple of seconds left. | |
| What do you have to tell us that Project Veritas, that you can tell us, has in store for the next year, and where can people go to still find you? | |
| I mean, what doesn't Project Veritas have? | |
| I mean, we have sources everywhere. | |
| I mean, I'm not exaggerating. | |
| You know... | |
| Other people have speculated that that is the reason why they took my phone. | |
| But that won't stop us. | |
| We've got many employees, most of the time, I'm the CEO of the company, so I have journalists who have their own sources, right? | |
| Are they going to raid all their homes too? | |
| No. | |
| And I think you're going to see a lot of stories come out Inside, there's a lot of, I mean, this sex worker found me. | |
| You know what all these people say? | |
| I've said this to you before. | |
| They always say, James, there's nowhere else for me to go. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And this woman didn't even like Project Veritas. | |
| She's like, I don't really like you guys, but I got nowhere else to go. | |
| Right. | |
| We have a big responsibility. | |
| If I may make a plug, please. | |
| I'm coming out with this book called American Muckraker. | |
| It's taken me five years to write. | |
| All the proceeds go to Project Veritas. | |
| It's AmericanMuckraker.com. | |
| You've mentioned this book. | |
| I've heard you mention it. | |
| This book is about ethics and privacy and suffering and whistleblowing and litigation. | |
| It really is my life's work. | |
| I can die happy for having written it, and I would really urge you all to go pre-order it, AmericanMuckraker.com. | |
| You can pick up a copy, and that's all I got to say. | |
| All right, we'll make sure to promote that when it comes up. | |
| But James, one last quick question. | |
| There were a lot of people who were very upset with you. | |
| They were very upset because they didn't get a chance to go see your starring performance in the Oklahoma musical, and they want to know. | |
| They want to know if there's any more coming. | |
| Yes. | |
| There is going to be a performance on January 29th, which Benny Ray is going to be there. | |
| I know she will be. | |
| Oh, uh-oh. | |
| You're both invited. | |
| Oh, is this the one in... | |
| In Miami. | |
| Oh, this is why they said I have to go to Miami. | |
| And we're calling it the Project Veritas Experience. | |
| Oh, my goodness. | |
| You saw three acts this morning. | |
| There's going to be 12 acts. | |
| I'm there. | |
| Or thereabouts. | |
| And I'd love you to come, Jack. | |
| You have a VIP ticket. | |
| We'll go. | |
| For you and your family, you're all invited. | |
| We're there. | |
| You'll get comped. | |
| You too, Benny. | |
| Producer Benny here. | |
| Benny's the most interesting person in the world. | |
| The most unique person. | |
| There are no words to describe Benny. | |
| You're great. | |
| You're all invited, and for those of you who want to... | |
| We're a non-profit, so you make a donation, you get in. | |
| It's ProjectVeritasExperience.com. | |
| January 29th, if you missed Oklahoma, come see the... | |
| Cats meets musical meets Project Veritas meets art meets journalism. | |
| All right, and this is in Miami, right? | |
| This is in the Fountain Blue Hotel in Miami, Florida. | |
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here for the first time, I believe, right? | |
| This is the first time I've said that. | |
| This is the first time, yes. | |
| All right, January 29th, the Fountain Blue Hotel. | |
| I know that hotel, actually. | |
| I know that well. | |
| In Miami, Florida. | |
| James O'Keefe, always a pleasure. | |
| We're playing for you, and by the way, Merry Christmas. |