Episode 124. Carl Hassell Discusses the Peyote Way Church of God
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We have our guest with us today, Carl Hassel, and we're going to be talking about the Peyote Way Church of God and wherever else this takes us.
We might go on tangents somewhere else down the line, but who knows?
But for the time being, we will talk about the Peyote Way Church of God.
Carl Hassel, welcome to the show.
How are you doing, buddy?
Okay, thanks for inviting me on.
I appreciate it.
Absolutely. I mean, I heard you on William Ramsey, and we had William Ramsey on the show some time ago, and I was like, oh man, I'd like to have him on, and we'll just talk about the Peyote Way Church of God.
So, to get into it, let's start at the very beginning.
What is the Peyote Way Church of God?
Okay, they're an organization that was officially started in 1977 by Emmanuel Trujillo.
Reverend Ann Zaff and Rabbi Matthew Kent.
Reverend Trujillo had the place in 1970 and it was originally called the Church of the Holy Light.
And he basically was rehabilitating drunks and drug addicts, teaching them pottery and giving them peyote, doing yoga, etc.
Once Annie and Matthew joined, they incorporated and changed the name to the Peyote Way Church of God.
I was a member from 1998 to 2016 when I quit in a huff and an angry email.
I found out they basically were lying to me the whole time.
I was reading a book called Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper, and I came across the name Manna Trujillo slash Emmanuel Trujillo.
And I went, wait a minute, I know who that is.
And then I started researching on the Internet.
And that led me to months and months of research and reading.
And I since have found him in 13 books, two pamphlets, and hundreds of FBI files.
And as it turns out, the Peyote Way Church of God is actually a Mormon front.
They belong to something called the United Order, which was started by Joseph Smith.
They have a clergy system.
It goes first through fourth degree.
I was a fourth-degree clergy and a lifetime member, and I was legally allowed to baptize, bury the dead, and perform marriages in four states while I was a member.
They subscribe to the Word of Wisdom lifestyle in the Book of Mormon, section 89. It's a dietary guideline.
And they claim that was their only connection, but as we'll see in a couple of these things, they are actually a sect of the Mormon Church, and I got there from the official Mormon website.
It turns out, Emmanuel Trujillo, he's completely invisible until 1952, when he infiltrates the National Renaissance Party, which was started by James Maddall in New York City, and they basically were similar to the American Nazi Party.
Trujillo took it over and he actually got communist training at the Jefferson School in New York.
He was a paid agent of the ADL and his whole deal was to start trouble with Jews and to start riots and fights and scare Jews into supporting the ADL with donations.
Trujillo is a U.S. Army vet and the official line is he was damaged in the war.
Learned how to do artwork while recovering and all this other crap.
But as I found out in a 1955 book that he wrote, he actually, that book right there, the lore is that he's half Jewish and half Apache.
But in that book right there, it says he was born of a Catholic mother and an Apache father.
And I have found...
Information through FBI files and interviews where he has claimed to be one quarter, one half, and full-blooded Apache, depending on, I guess, his temperament at the time in the interview.
He also claimed to be born on the San Carlos Indian Reservation, and I've sent the link for that.
But he actually was born in Pennsylvania of a Catholic mother.
Maybe he was channeling the spirits of his ancestors, so there was a period where he was 100% there.
I mean, everything so far, he just seems like a double agent, at least a double agent.
Oh yeah, those pictures are hand-drawn by him, and they're out of the FBI files, and on some of them you'll see his name in the corner, it'll say Manna, like right there.
And on the Hitler one and on that one, he did those while he was living, while he was in the National Renaissance Party.
As I said, the whole time he was a paid agent of the ADL.
He was getting financed by super spies like Stepanowski and Sanford Griffith.
Was this 10 years ago America went to war on the people in Nazi Germany because they were fighting against communism?
Never let the Jewish communists trick us into another war.
That's really interesting because, like, what's happening right now?
Yeah, yeah.
What else is interesting is he used to hold lectures at his apartment in New York in the 1950s as part of the NRP.
And he would have pictures of Hitler on the wall and National Socialist literature on the table.
And then two weeks later, he would have a picture of Stalin on the wall and communist literature on the table.
And he frequently had young girls, underage girls, younger than 14, according to the FBI files, in various states of undress.
to keep the men busy and be a draw for them.
He eventually was busted.
The FBI raided him and found all kinds of imported German weapons and Nazi regalia.
And he was busted for pimping and pandering and he escaped scot-free out of all the charges.
Now, how would...
How would that happen?
How could that happen?
Wasn't he...
Didn't he get pulled over by a police officer and he was smoking a joint or something?
In the 1980s, he was speeding or something and got pulled over, and a peyote button fell out of his pocket, and he snatched it up and took a bite of it, and he got out of that one, too.
They said he was using it in a religious context.
Now, I backtrack.
In 1966, he had a studio in Denver.
He was doing pottery and paintings, and he was raided, and a large quantity of hashish, LSD, and peyote was grabbed.
And he told the judge, I don't know about the hashish or the LSD, but the peyote is mine.
And the case worked its way through the courts, and he was found innocent due, again, the peyote use in a religious context.
And it was the case is Manapardeaton v.
Denver, 1966.
And he was cleared, and that opened up the way to all-race peyote use in the United States.
It was the first all-race peyote church.
So, I'm just, like, I'm confused on this guy, because on one hand, he's trying to help people with the peyote way church of God, right?
To, like, use peyote and other hallucinogenics and drugs to find yourself or whatever, be spiritual about it.
But on the other hand, he's just, like, he's an agent provocateur who's just causing chaos.
Yes. How are these two meshing?
Like, how was he pulling this off?
He was getting funded by Samford Griffith in the 50s.
In the 60s, he was all over the place.
He turned up on Haight Street in 1967 of March, and he was handing out peyote.
He knew the diggers.
He knew all those guys.
He lived in Millbrook at the psychedelic mansion in the early 60s with Leary and Art Kleps from the Boohoo Church.
He had the front office there, the front house.
He was doing peyote there.
And curiously, when G. Gordon Liddy raided the Millbrook Mansion, everybody was busted except Manna.
He was the only one not busted.
Wow. Take what you will of that.
And like I said, he turned up on Haight Street in 1967.
And the diggers, the San Francisco Oracle, put out a flyer saying, be careful, Manna is the man.
And then they retracted that and said, no, he's not.
He's the spiritual leader of the Native American church, which he was not.
He was never the head of the Native American church.
He applied for a charter, and they said, no, you're not getting an all-race charter.
So he started one anyway.
He started his own thing.
But then the Oracle put out a third pamphlet, and it was signed by Walter Bauer and a guy named Michael Fourier, who was a cannabis smuggler.
And Hare Krishna.
They all vouch for Manna.
Now, Manna knew Walter Bauer.
He was married to Peggy Hitchcock for a while, and he wrote a book called Mind Control you can find on the archives.
He knew Manna as far as 1966 from the East Village Other.
They were buddies.
And I sent some of those links.
He also knew Timothy Leary since 1962, and they traded LSD and peyote.
I shared the link to that.
When Millbrook fell apart, Emmanuel and Leary were looking for properties in southern Arizona and they eventually purchased three properties with Billy Hitchcock money.
Billy and Peggy Hitchcock paid for it and they set up some ashrums where they were doing pottery, yoga and taking psychedelics.
Should I get into one of these?
That's the Jefferson School, of course.
You can find that link online.
It's no big deal.
It just tells you what it was.
It was a communist front.
The Communist Party had various schools around the United States that trained people in Trotskyite disruption tactics.
And he was there for a few years after he got out of the army.
And then there's a foreign policy journal that mentions him.
You know, the symbiosis between anti-Semitism and Zionism.
It's an interesting article.
It's a six-page article, but I only sent some of it that mentions him.
Now, this right here is Rabbi Matthew Kent.
He was actually raised an Episcopalian, but he's known as Rabbi Matthew Kent.
Emmanuel gave him that name, and Matthew is married to Reverend Ann Zaff.
And Emmanuel deemed her a reverend, and neither of them have any religious training or degrees that tell them they're, you know, legally.
He was originally an Episcopalian.
His mom is a Christian.
Now, Matthew is very interesting.
He's been at my house three or four times.
A couple of his kids have visited us.
Matthew brags that one of his brothers is Army Intelligence.
And they're all Masons, his brothers, and they were trying to find mom a nursing home run by Masons just a few years ago.
So we've got Army Intelligence, the Mormons, and espionage all tied in with this place, with these three.
Yeah, this is getting so entwined with so many different areas.
I was thinking, like, he was in Hayton-Ashbury, you know, right when Manson was there, and he had to have known some of those people.
Manson showed up in March of 67 on Haight Street and so did Emanuel in March of 67. I've shared the links that he was there.
Now here, some of this stuff is interesting.
Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon are both celebrity collectors of the Man of Pottery Company artwork.
And he knew everybody, you know, he knew art clubs from the Neo-American Boohoo Church.
Larry, both Hitchcocks, as I said.
This is a very amazing piece of the psychedelic history that has been overlooked.
I'm the first one that has come out with this.
I've been doing this since 2016.
Other people have found him doing stuff on the American Nazi Party and the NRP, but nobody has connected him to the psychedelic movement.
And he has gone under at least 10 aliases, according to Canadian authorities.
He got popped up in Canada for a cannabis smuggling scheme and did two years in prison.
And the Canadian authorities said he had at least 10 aliases.
Highly sus.
It says here that Richard Nixon even personally thanked Trujillo for his fine Indian pottery that now graces Casa Pacifica.
Yeah, and then right there to my good friend Manna, Barry Goldwater.
You need extra names when you're going to burn a few, right?
Because, what, Oprah Winfrey got some of his pottery and...
Xena, the warrior princess.
Bill Walton, the basketball player, has visited out there.
Peter Coyote is a...
Him and Bill Walton are members.
They're associate members that are not on the official rolls.
This is just a couple samples of his FBI files that actually name him.
I've got...
More than 100 pages of FBI files, and about 30 of them have his name in it.
He was actually ordered at one time to find homosexual evidence against Eustace Mullins, if you know who Eustace Mullins is.
Oh my God, that name is very familiar.
Eustace Mullins.
him and man are on the same page of an FBI report and he was ordered by his higher ups in the ADL to find homo connections on Eustace Mullins so he was a spy Eustace Mullins, the American
white supremacist, anti-Semitic
That would be pretty devastating for him.
Yeah. Emmanuel played a big part in a 1955 trial of Mickey Jelke, the Oleo heir.
This guy was busted for pimping and pandering, and Emmanuel was the star witness in his second trial.
He had been living with a lady named Pat Ward, who was one of Mickey Jelke's top horrors, and he used to ride around on motorcycles with her, and they'd bang each other.
It's chronicled in the book, that red book I sent.
I love you, I hate you.
I love you, I hate you.
He had set up his apartment with a tape recorder and was taping everything that was going on in there, and he presented it to the FBI and the attorneys, but they didn't use it in court.
So he was even taping his friends.
What an asshole.
Best way to be dirty is always building dirt.
He's just getting blackmail on everybody and just, you know, selling it to the government.
I sent a link.
I sent one link, and the first ten pages are pretty interesting.
But here, where it says Mellon Millions, go ahead and scroll there, right there.
This talks about him living in a teepee on the land from Peggy Hitchcock and Walter Bauer.
He's living in a teepee there.
He knew Walter Bauer, like I said, since 1966.
But, you know, it mentions here that he was living with the Hitchcocks on their land in a teepee.
So that was, I just supplied Dad us some proof that he did know these people, along with the East Village other links I sent.
The Vanderbilts.
He knew the Vanderbilts.
Well, you know, what's interesting is, I had gotten a private communication about a month ago from somebody on Twitter, and they said, Manna was married to my aunt, and she was underage, and he brought her from Canada down into California, and he said he was CIA.
Oh my God.
He's been married at least five times.
There we have some of his artwork.
We have Jesus coming out of a peyote button.
This is yours?
And we have the Virgin Mary coming out of a peyote button.
Lady Maria just popping right on.
They're prints, yeah, that he did.
Those were paintings, and I have the prints of them.
Interesting style.
I guess that's what you'd get from peyote.
Yava Maria says have another.
These are two articles from different newspapers advertising his 1955 book.
Now, it was printed.
The print name is Andre Levy, okay?
Yeah, and I sent the links.
That's crazy, dude.
I'm not going to say shit that I can't prove.
A list of informants, and there's Mana Chuhil, and Carol Howe, Richard Drones.
You know, what's real crazy is he bragged about killing George Lincoln Rockwell and Dan Burroughs.
It's common knowledge in the church that he did both of them.
What? That could be a whole separate show.
I've got a lot of information on that.
And there's Sam Roth.
And it'll also, you'll find his imprint name as Andre Levy.
I shared the link to that.
It's part of that right there.
Right down here, yeah.
You see down here it says Andre Levy, 1955.
Yeah. So a major pornographer produced Emanuel's book.
And I can say, anyone that was doing pornography stuff back in this day, they were all connected, and they were all connected to the government.
They were all running ops.
They're all Jewish, too.
And they're all Jewish.
Well, at the time, it was seemingly banned, wasn't it?
Back in the 50s?
Here's Tim and Rosemary Leary wearing the medallion that Emmanuel came up with.
It was also the same symbol for the League for Spiritual Discovery.
And the same symbol was used by the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
I've got several pictures of Leary and Rosemary wearing that.
And I shared a picture of my medallion when I was clergy.
Here's Stanley Owsley.
He has the same styled medallion.
It's a circumscribed lotus.
But Leary and Rosemary, I have several pictures I shared with them wearing it.
And I shared two pictures of my medallion and me wearing one.
The clergy got those.
Those were clergy medallion there.
Now this guy, there's Leary wearing the medallion.
And then here we have Brother John from the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
That's Brother John Griggs.
These two guys in the back look like friggin' CIA.
This guy?
Yeah, that's Brother John Griggs right there with the flower in his hair.
Now if you come down to these color pictures, please.
This is Andrew Shulgin, the LSD psychedelic MDA chemist.
These pictures were taken in his backyard in Berkeley.
Here on the right we have Matthew, Kent, and Annie, his wife, from the Peyote Way Church, and then there's Dr. Sasha Shulgin and his wife.
These pictures are from my private files.
I hosted Annie and Matthew several times, like I said, and they went over to see Shogun and had a little powwow and took some pictures.
Now, the guy in the yellow shirt in the back there, that's John Hanna.
He used to be with MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
Wow. So there was a nice little powwow there, and I was granted those pictures.
Yeah, I know who Shogun is.
That's crazy.
That's the author of...
PyCal and Tycal, phenethylamines I have known and loved, and tryptamines I have never loved.
Yeah, and he's a member of the Bohemian Grove and Dow Chemical.
He made a lot of poisons for the war in Vietnam.
And he played cello at the Bohemian Grove his whole career.
Really? Yeah, he was a member of the Grove.
Now, I watched a documentary on this guy probably 10 years ago or so.
He had an old homebrew batch of LSD that he put out a long time ago.
Effectively, he put out the recipe for it.
He actually entered Owsley and Melissa Cargill.
They worked with Shulgin in the very early days.
He basically mentored them.
You know, Owsley is credited with the LSD and Melissa Cargill, who is from the Cargill family, the agricultural giant.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, the documentary I was talking about, it was really cool because his whole property is just lined with tons of different cactuses and plants.
And then, like, his little shop with his laboratory was set up, and he was making all different types of drugs and stuff.
And I was like, this guy's awesome.
Yeah, he lost his license.
The DEA raided him, and they found peyote growing on his front step, and they took his license away.
But consequently, he used to have drug parties up there in the Berkeley Hills at his house with DEA agents, and they would all try his latest concoctions.
Just damn hypocrites.
These are me.
Those are both me.
That's after a long night of peyote outdoors.
I'm down at the peyote ranch there facing the first sunlight.
I froze my ass off all night eating peyote.
And then here's me wearing the clergy medallion at a Grateful Dead show.
Oh, this is at a Grateful Dead show?
Yeah, that's at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View.
Awesome. I wish I could have seen the Grateful Dead.
I've seen The Dead with the Allman Brothers, but not the Grateful Dead.
Because when did Jerry die?
Jerry died in, like, what, 94, 96?
It was August of 95. 95. Now, here we have some Brotherhood of Eternal Love literature, and you can see they have the same symbol, the circumscribed lotus.
Both of these links are from the Brotherhood of Eternal Love official publications.
You know, it was the same symbol as the League for Spiritual Discovery, same symbol for Peyote Way.
It's all connected.
Well, the Rainbow family was part of it all, huh?
Yeah, and there's the symbol again.
And then how else did they get away with the Rainbow conventions?
They used to sell acid out in the open.
I don't know anything about them other than...
I used to be told rumors about, you go to a Rainbow convention, you can just buy that shit.
Just don't get caught with it afterwards because you ain't got the protections they do.
It's the same thing with the Grateful Dead shows.
The best LSD in the world was at a Grateful Dead show any given day.
I mean, you had to ask yourself, how are these hippies just operating in these super straight-laced areas with never getting busted?
It never makes sense.
I've got some stories, some side stories and a couple pictures that we don't have to get into right now.
But there was a hippie on tour for Grateful Dead like 30 years, and he moved grams and grams and grams of LSD and was never busted.
This pottery up here is my spittoon.
That was for purging peyote and puking into it.
That was custom made for me.
Yeah, that's an intense image to be looking at.
Man. Wow, you're frying, huh?
Damn. I know.
So this guy that never got busted, he was obviously...
Given the green light to go ahead and sell LSD to everybody, he was part of that movement, the CIA movement, to basically cause chaos, right?
Absolutely. Yeah, this is a link here about Polly Platt.
Polly Platt was an American filmmaker.
She was really celebrated, did a lot of, you could look up her IMDB and her credentials.
But in 1961, she was hanging out with Manna before she got in the show business.
Wow. He knew everybody.
He knew everybody, man, from the psychedelic movement.
That's what I'm saying.
And of course, everybody's dirty except him.
Everybody's dirty except him, you know?
Walter Bower, Hitchcock, Leary, you know, the Brotherhood.
So here's, what is this, FBI file?
Someone advised that...
This is the one with Eustace Mullins.
The top paragraph talks about Manna, and then on the bottom you see Eustace Mullins.
They're in the same damn FBI file.
And why save True Hill orders?
Blah, blah, blah.
You can read it yourself.
I wonder what name is redacted there.
But it's redacted advise that Frederick Wise instructed Manna Truhill to gather all possible information regarding homosexuality among leaders in the nationalist fields such as Eustace Mullins, Edward Flackenstein, Ray Foster,
and Keith Thompson so that he, Wise, would be able to blackmail them with this information and keep them under his control.
Wise gave Truhill his complete support in his successful effort to gain control.
Yeah, people do things for you to avoid people finding out where their dick goes that they wouldn't do for money.
Yeah. It's an old story, man.
I mean, back then it would have been career-destroying.
I mean, somebody who was like an avowed supremacist would probably still be screwed nowadays if this came out.
But back then, imagine like 70 more years of stigma.
man this right here Reverend a.s.
day first Baptist Church Bristol Oklahoma advised on 15
He had recently read a mimographed publication published by the Christian Nationalist Crusade, which was a product of Eustace Mullins.
The leaflet was entitled, Every Jew to be a King, Every Gentile to be a Slave.
Well, one of the things Emanuel was doing, too, they had paid for a motorcycle and some new boots, and he was given orders to travel throughout the South and start riots on college campuses over the Brown v.
education thing where the black kids were allowed to go to school, and that created a big fucking problem.
He was ordered to go down there and start a bunch of trouble and to develop gun connections.
And what happened was he broke his leg and never made it.
But I've got dozens of files to talk about this in detail.
He was explicitly given orders by Weiss and Sanford Griffith to start this shit.
Now here's a 1960 paper where he says he was born on the full-blooded Apache born on the San Carlos Reservation.
Now that's 1960.
But in his 1955 book, he was born in Pennsylvania of a Catholic mother, and his father was Apache.
I'm reading these other headlines in this paper just to see what was going on back in the day, and it's like, you know, con man uses cheap ring to make $5.
Yeah, I'm only interested in man, and I don't know about all that other shit.
Yeah, it's just funny headlines, like how they did news back then.
It's just hilarious.
Yeah, I need to pick new chairman.
Exciting shit.
His first studio was paid for by the widow of, not Tex Ritter, it was another cowboy movie star.
They paid for his first studio in Tubac, Arizona.
I can't think of her name right now.
I'm not prepared.
But like I said, he has claimed one quarter Apache, one half Apache, and full-blooded Apache.
And the curious thing is, Oh my god.
Oh yeah.
This guy's dangerous, dude.
Oh, he had a hot temper.
Had the reticle on his forehead.
He was interesting to talk to.
I talked to him several times, and he called me on the phone once after one of my surgeries, and we had a little conversation.
I had a nice snowball fight with him one morning.
He was a trip, man.
So, Chuhilo served in the U.S. Army, and he also served in the British Marines?
Yeah. Allegedly, yeah.
That sounds like kind of intelligency.
Yeah. I mean, do you usually just serve two different, completely different armed services in a short period of time like that?
Well, you know, this book, they are pissed off.
The church is pissed off, and they're trying to buy every copy they can find because it completely blows apart the narrative of his accepted history, and it blows apart the Man of Pottery thing, too.
They don't like this book, and I told them I had three copies of it, and they were fucking pissed.
And then, as you know, that book came out with Mike Maranacci, and I contributed the material for Chapter 3, and they threatened to sue Mike and said he cannot use any images, even if they're off the Internet in public domain.
They don't like him or me.
Oh, well, fuck them.
Yeah, this book is like an incredible find.
So if anybody can find a copy, man, grab it.
Because they're trying to buy it all up too.
They actually refer to it as Emanuel's funny book.
Emanuel's funny book?
Yeah. He went under the name James Coyle, Manna Truhill, Manny Coyle, Cochise, let's see, Manna Pardeaton, Emanuel Trujillo.
Now here's a couple letters, here's a couple of things from his bust up in Canada.
One of New York call girl Pat Ward's ex-boyfriends began a two-year jail term today for trying to set up a ring to peddle marijuana.
Police said Manna Pardeton, 25, Pardeton, hauled out newspaper clippings to prove that he was the Emmanuel Chihilo, one of his eight aliases who testified in the second Mickey Jelk vice trial in New York that he once lived with Miss Ward.
Pardeaton once studied at a communist-controlled school and later became spokesman for a New York neo-fascist group.
He was jailed in New York
Yeah, he was married at least five times.
That's so funny.
They'll lock him up for not paying his wife and two children.
Yeah. Not paying support, though.
Serious crimes.
We stamp right down on those.
Lock him up.
And there was another article on the same thing.
Different wording, though.
So, did they measure marijuana per cigarette?
Like, 300 cigarettes.
He had 700 joints.
Yeah, that's what I thought it was.
700. Yeah, so I don't know how they measured it, but he...
The person that was one of his partners was a narc.
She turned him in.
She was an RCMP ranger.
And they busted him at the border, and they had this big-ass pile of joints.
Now, if you clap on that link there, I don't know if you can open it.
Are you seeing it here, Mila?
If you can click that open, I don't know if it'll work.
Do you see it?
I don't see the link open.
Narcotics pedlar.
Editing back in the day was no better than now.
This should work.
You guys can't see this?
It's not opening.
Yeah, I can't read it either.
All I see is the thumbnail.
I will put that on my X page after the show airs.
I'll do a whole bunch of...
There you go.
The first ten pages are amazing.
So, it's so funny that he's, like, openly a communist, but the government was so anti-communist.
Yeah, he was allowed to do his thing, man.
And Peyote Way has never been busted.
They've never been raided to this day.
I mean, it's legal now, you know?
Well, it's an issue by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.
Oh, man.
Yeah, B'nai B'rith.
There's a...
That's probably the only time I've ever seen the word rightist in print.
That must have been frequently used back then compared to now.
Interesting. There's him, and there's Pat Ward.
He used to go by Cochise.
He's been involved with motorcycle gangs his entire life.
He rode in the 50s, and then in the 2000s, in the 1970s and 80s, he was part of the Chingaling Nomads in New York.
And in the 2000s, the Chingaling Nomads made him an honorary member.
Holy shit.
Yeah, I've got all the links for that.
I could only send you so much, I didn't want to overwhelm you.
Yeah, I know you said a lot.
I will put the addendums up on my X page.
So, was he connected to the Hells Angels at all then?
No. I've not seen any evidence of that.
I would know because I have a peripheral relationship with those guys.
I actually might be talking about that soon on a William Ramsey show where we've been tossing some email back and forth.
Alright, let's go back here.
Yeah, that was just the first ten pages dealing with him.
There are pages relating to him.
Did you go to Altamont?
No. I live nine miles away.
It's nine miles away from here.
It's like Statue of Liberty.
People live in New York City and they'll go, Leonard Finder.
It's like it's there, but then, you know, why go to it?
The researcher Joe Atwill, I don't know if you're familiar with him.
But he told me that when they put this shit in the paper like this, they're astroturfing him and getting him out in the public.
I mean, who the hell ever heard of this guy?
And he writes this crazy book about his love of Pat Ward.
I have a third article.
I have to go back in my files and find it, though.
In three separate newspapers in the United States, they advertised his book.
Well, you know, Mockingbird money gave him a lot of outlets to speak out of.
See, when you see this stuff happen in the internet era, it's a lot more noticeable where you see people come up out of nowhere and it's suspicious as hell.
Back then it felt a lot more organic, I'll bet.
Now it's really obvious.
Now this is from an East Village Other article written by Walter Bauer, if you're familiar with who Walter Bauer is.
He started the East Village Other.
And he was married to Peggy Hitchcock for a while, but he's way connected with spies and mind control.
But in it, he says Emanuel was the head of the Native American church, and he wasn't.
He never was.
He was a part of it, but he was not the head of it.
And this is from 1966.
Oh, and consequently, you know, I was talking about that Hate Street article with the Oracle a few minutes ago.
The guy that...
The guy that started the rumor that Emmanuel was the man, that man was later busted for cannabis and never heard from again.
Oh, fuck.
Silenced. That was before they printed the retraction and said, no, no, man, it's cool.
Yeah, gotta be on your best behavior and know when it's time to flip on somebody.
God, you see that in this administration today all the time.
Hell, if you don't take the cue to flip, they'll drop you.
Yeah. And here we have the East Village Other.
This is from the East Village Other archives, and they're talking about Walter Bauer was a painter, blah, blah, blah.
His friend Emmanuel Pardeaton Trujillo, Apache medicine man.
And again, it says head of the Native American church, but he wasn't.
So why would they just constantly be pushing it out there that he's the head of the church just to try to convince people that he was?
But what's the benefit of it?
I don't know.
I'm not going to think for people.
I'm just going to go with what is.
I'd speculate that, you know, it's just in general, it creates a good mythos because then the general collective consciousness perception of him becomes this spiritual leader who's also the head of a church, I heard.
You know, like when you hear somebody talked about in passing like that, it becomes part of their lore.
He applied for an all-race charter, and the NIC said no, and he went ahead and done it anyway.
He left the NIC and started his own thing.
And this is one of the 13 books I found him referenced in.
Now, you know, what's funny is Rabbi Matthew Kent, over a joint one day up in Mendocino County, with no solicitation by me, said, you know, Carl, there's nothing about a manual on the Internet.
I checked.
He was a ghost.
There's nothing there.
And then, like I said, I saw his name in the book, The Final Judgment, by Michael Collins Piper, and it's like, holy shit, this guy's all over the web!
He's all over.
What are you doing, man?
Just using Google?
That was a major lie and a major red flag for me.
And Emmanuel looked at me across the kitchen table one morning and said, I was never a drunken Indian.
I didn't have trouble like that.
And then in the book, he's talking about closing down the bars every night.
Maybe he was admitting he wasn't really an Indian, but just a drunk.
Fuck. I mean, technically that would make that statement true, right?
I'm not going to think for people.
I can't read people's minds.
I don't think it's that kind of conjecture and read people's minds.
I won't do that.
The psychedelic scene was much more oriented toward the intellectual elites, the Hollywood celebrities, the collegiate scientists.
Still, they gave Mana the gatehouse at the front end of the grounds to use as his pottery studio.
They're talking about Millbrook.
And he was the only one not busted when G. Gordon Witte popped it.
Everybody was hauled off to jail but a manual.
And the studio eventually burned down, and then it was taken over by Art Kleps, who was the head of the Native American Boohoo Church that used toad sweat.
And LSD is their sacraments.
It's funny how that works.
So the Native American, or the all-race church group that he started, I mean, what was the intent for that?
Oh, shit, he just, he was all, I got a picture down here of the first all-race group.
It's a color picture.
And they were all veterans.
I'm in that article that you just passed up.
I'm mentioned in that article right there.
This one, this is a great article if people read it.
It's very long.
Inside the Peyote Way Church.
That's a long article but packed with information.
That might be the one I mentioned in.
The guy that interviewed me said I had bladder cancer and I told him twice I don't have bladder cancer.
I have 10-stage bladder disease along with some kidney issues, but he printed that anyway.
But that's a great article right there.
And it tells you that Annie and Matthew were designated rabbi and reverend, even though they have no formal training, that Emmanuel gave them that name.
And again, the tale of him in the army changes whatever interview you read.
And Matthew gets quite into it in detail here.
And the whole thing is fucking bullshit.
You got to go through all the information and you find out it's all bullshit.
It's a complete fabricated tale.
You got to live up to the mentor, the great Joseph Smith, who carried the three-quarter ton book out of the wilderness, fending off hostile natives all the way.
If you actually look into the story of the founding, yeah, it's like a superhero film.
The peyote way was based on the beliefs of peyoteism, Native American religion that uses the hallucinogenic peyote as a sacrament and combines the teachings of various other mainstream organized religions including Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Mormonism, Hinduism,
and Islam in its doctrine.
That's a pretty wide range of religious...
It's like Baha'i, but not quite.
You know, we selectively pick and choose our religion still, but we're not going to eat them all, just most of them.
So at the actual place you guys were at, at the church, the 160-acre property, how many people would be there at any given time?
Very few.
Annie and Matthew were there full-time.
You may or may not see one or two other hippies that cruised in for a while, but I was out there maybe a dozen times, and I only saw other people out there twice.
Wow. And what happened was, Emmanuel took the peyote ceremony, which everybody's sitting around in a circle in a teepee, beating on drums.
He stopped all that and made it an individual thing.
So what happens is, you buy a membership, and then if you want to go out there and visit, you can stay for three days or five days, and you pay a donation, and you take a fast.
You have to fast before you eat peyote.
It's absolutely essential.
You're given the medicine and you go, we'll see you tomorrow.
There's no lectures.
There's no sing-alongs.
There's no confession.
There's no adoring anyone or any of that.
It's a completely individual experience.
Here's the cactus.
We'll see you tomorrow.
They just give it to you and you just run off somewhere and eat it?
Yeah, that's right.
You go camp somewhere.
Now they have rooms.
They fixed up some rooms, I think, because yuppies are really pissy and don't want to lay on the ground out there.
Yeah. So they have changed things since I've been in.
I don't want to get too close to nature now.
Right. They have changed things since I was a member.
I mean, it's wild to, like, they just give you a peyote button or whatever, two of them.
You just eat them and you just go off in one direction in the desert.
Just you in the desert.
And actually, I found that to be much preferable, because when you're sitting with a group, everybody's worried about how cool they look, how spiritual they look, am I doing this right?
It's a really weird thing, you know.
I've got to give Manuel credit for that, because bringing it over to an individual solitary experience is a lot more fulfilling, and you're not all hung up on everybody else, or staring at this girl's tits, or do I look like an idiot, or, you know, am I doing this right?
Absolutely. It's just you and the medicine out in nature.
It's the way it should be.
Yeah. So, you know, I've got to give them credit for that.
Well, I mean, the other way sounds awkward.
So they get about 160.
It's still operating today, right?
Oh, yeah.
They're still operating.
They're packing people in, man.
And they raised the donation thing.
They have a whole scale now.
People can go in there and pay $1,000 and stay for three days.
Oh, my God.
And what's funny is when I started eating peyote in 1975 and all through the 70s, I never had to pay for it.
I knew people in the Forest Service and some American Indians, and I never had to pay for it.
So to the listeners who have no idea, maybe they haven't eaten any hallucinogenic at all, can you just explain what a peyote trip is like?
It's very psychedelic.
It's very mellow.
And it's very introspective.
You really think about your place in the world and your sins, so to speak.
It's like a slow-motion ride, but extremely psychedelic.
I guess it'd be really hard to explain.
I don't know.
I mean, I ate that pre-recording.
We had a discussion about my experience with the synthetic mescaline.
The trip I had, because we were at these people's property.
It's like a private area with the stage they build.
People play music out there.
It's just in the middle of the woods.
And from the parking lot, you have to walk through the woods a ways.
And they have these trails with those little lamps to line the trails so you know where you're going.
But they were so sparse.
And we were standing in the parking lot talking to a group of people.
And I had eaten two of these capsules.
And it was starting to hit me.
And I was talking to these people and I'm looking over to my left or whatever into the woods and it's all dark.
And one of those little trail lights, sorry, one of those trail lights was lit up.
And in my head, to me, it looked like a group of people smoking a cigarette for some reason.
And I just was like, oh, cool, a group of people.
I'm going to walk over there.
So I left this group and I started heading in that direction and it was just a light.
Interesting trip.
Yeah, I've had peyote, many, many peyote experiences that were just as strong and even stronger than LSD.
And I'm talking about windowpane and multiple hits, you know, like eight or ten hits of blotter, two hits of windowpane.
And it's definitely as strong or stronger.
It's very psychedelic.
And peyote takes an awful long time to peak.
You go for hours and hours and just keep rising slowly.
And then the peak goes on forever.
And then it wears off very slowly.
So, you know, it takes a chunk of time to do it correctly.
What's hilarious is the whole argument towards legalizing specifically peyote for sacramental use over everything else is that they argued that there was no psychedelic effect to it.
Nah, you don't hallucinate.
You don't have any psychedelic experience.
None of that stuff happens.
It's just very introspective.
And I'm just like, what?
Come on!
Yeah, nothing hallucinogenic about it.
Nothing, nothing at all.
It's totally just, you know, you just feel very together.
So is this part of the Riverfront Times article true, that Trujillo was, well, we established that, but that his mother was 14 years old at the time of his conception, gave him up for adoption.
He was raised for two years in an orphanage.
And when he was 16, he ran away from home to fight the Nazis.
Yeah, he was adopted by a family named Coyle, and they named him James Coyle.
And then he wasn't getting whatever was happening there in the family.
He ran away and joined the British Merchant Marines.
And then supposedly was blown up in a mission on the island of Holligoland.
And then he was recovering in Fort Sheridan, Illinois, where he discovered...
Pottery and painting.
Then when he got out, he joined the US Army and became a trainer for Army Rangers.
Yeah. Despite...
He supposedly had a plate in his head and they rebuilt his ribcage and all this crap.
It's like, what?
That does not make any sense.
Clearly the U.S. government thought to themselves, we better not just tell this guy not to pursue his art dream again.
Yeah, that's the official line.
But in the book, it says he was injured in a parachute jump and mustered out on a 30% disability.
So again, it's just completely fraught with contradictions.
That book is the key to the whole thing.
And his FBI files.
Yeah, his face was rebuilt.
His teeth were blown out.
He had a piece of steel in his head and a piece of steel in his leg.
Was this a six million dollar man?
This dude's a freaking Hemingway protagonist.
I don't know, but what's interesting is he had a motorcycle accident and broke his leg and was laid up for three months, so that might be where they got that story from.
Massacre of 600 people?
Man, so this guy definitely killed people, huh?
Was he like a hitman?
The lore is, he did George Lincoln Rockwell and Dan Burroughs, who were both from the American Nazi Party.
Now, Emmanuel looked at me one day and he said, you know, Carl, when I have a problem, I throw money at my lawyer until it goes away.
And if the problem is big enough, I'll put one in the head and one in the chest.
Now, Dan Burroughs...
The American Nazi Party guy who was found to be a Jew undercover, he was hit with one in the head and one in the chest, supposedly suicide, and George Lincoln Rockwell took one in the head and one in the chest.
And the guy that took the fall, Patler, who was convicted of killing Rockwell, he was found with a German weapon very close to him, and it was imported from Germany.
And witnesses said there were two guys on the roof.
And what's real crazy is there are newspaper articles that say Lincoln Rockwell had one in the chest and one in the head.
And there's other articles that say he was hit once in the chest.
But if you look at the FBI file, it said they took two bullets out of him, one in the head and one in the chest.
I mean, he was so suicidal he had to shoot himself twice, you know.
Totally plausible in a world where people get so depressed they hover guns three feet behind the back of their heads and shoot themselves.
Well, the story is, Dan Burroughs, when the newspaper reporter found out he was a Jew and he exposed him in the New York Times, Burroughs flipped out, shot himself in the chest.
And we're still alive.
And supposedly he jumped up and said, well, this will do it.
And then he bopped himself in the head.
Oh, my God.
That's real plausible, right?
Totally plausible.
It happens all the time.
The peyote way church, it's common lore that Emanuel took both of them out.
CIA, man, all about it.
He is definitely...
There's me with a bunch of peyotes in those pictures.
See, that is amazing.
That right there is so amazing.
I love that picture.
Yeah, the other one, too, is holding the flower pot.
That's my favorite.
Man, is it really easy to grow?
No, it's actually one of the slowest-growing cactuses, and you have to have the right humidity.
You can't grow them anywhere unless it's in a greenhouse.
There's so many.
These all look just perfect.
Oh, they were beautiful.
And the Coyote Way has three greenhouses now.
I could send you pictures later.
They have hundreds of thousands of plants growing now in three greenhouses.
At the time I was in, there was only two greenhouses.
They had just finished the second one, which my family donated a bunch of money to.
Now here, this picture with the red t-shirt, that was part of an invitation to me from one of my Indian buddies on the Havasupai tribe.
You can see he's got some eagle feathers, the tribal symbol, and a bunch of fresh-cut peyotes.
He wanted me to come over for a ceremony, and I said, dude, I'm too sick, and I can't afford it now.
I just can't go to Arizona.
But that was part of an invitation for me.
I just talked to him this morning.
I've known him since 1975.
Many other people there.
That's a hell of an invitation.
There's Matthew and I in the peyote house.
That's down in Arizona.
And then here's Annie and Matthew in my backyard with my cannabis starts there.
It's beautiful.
I sent you the other pictures when they were big.
That's them when they were little.
Yeah, they turned out well.
I used to grow some good reefer, man.
Wow, what's that?
This is the chimney at the congregation house, the main house at the peyote ranch.
Now up here they have a chapter from Matthew.
It says, Seek ye the kingdom of heaven, blah, blah, blah.
And then you can see all these different symbols of religions there.
Yeah. These are all individual tiles that they fired.
Islamic crescent.
And all the green dots are peyote buttons.
That's the best picture I could get of it.
Let's see.
Oh, yeah.
Let's see if we got a menorah, a crescent.
What's that symbol up in the top left?
I think it's Shiva or something.
Yeah, it looks like Shiva.
I can't see it good enough.
Works for me.
It's pretty sweet.
That's a pretty sweet piece of art.
Oh, it's really cool, man.
There we go.
This picture up here, the little picture, that was the first all-race church.
Those were all veterans in Emanuel.
You can see they all got guns on.
That was the very first church.
That was the Church of the Holy Light in 1970.
Founded by Joseph Smith, so that's an old organization right there.
My goodness.
Yeah, the United Order is, yeah.
Now, this was my skull, my custom-made skull.
I smashed that when I was pissed off and quit.
I broke it along with a lot of pottery.
We had all kinds of pottery here, and I broke a bunch of them.
Oh, no.
Got almost nothing left.
And there's some of the buttons in the peyote house.
Ooh. So how do you know when they're ready, when they get the flowers?
Now, that just means they're mature.
I mean, you could eat one if they're the size of a nickel, but you're going to need a bunch of them.
So much peyote.
Oh my god, dude.
Now here we have, this is the back of the skull.
And as you can see, this is a pregnant lady.
This represents a baby in the womb.
They do a lot of goddess worship there.
And whenever they depict a woman, there will always be a little thing growing in the belly that represents the fetus.
A spiral.
They do a lot of goddess worship.
Really heavy in the goddess worship over there.
It's interesting that that's what it represents, and in, like, you know, the elite pedal world, the spiral means...
Hey, yeah, you know what?
I didn't think of that.
Yeah. Small child lovers.
Another view of the other side of the skull.
Interesting. These are the size of softballs.
You can't tell.
Yeah, those look big.
They're the size of softballs.
Those are, like, 80, 90 years old, those big ones.
Holy shit, really?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. It'd be almost a shame to eat those.
Yeah, that's he telling them you're sorry.
Those were used for seeds.
Those were produced seeds and then cloned.
I want to grow some.
There's my clergy medal.
That's the back side of it.
That was LSD, obviously, but it stood for League for Spiritual Discovery.
The group Leary started and Emmanuel was part of for a while.
Then here we have the other side of it.
That's the clergy medallion that I showed you Leary and everybody was wearing.
Once you're clergy, you get one of those.
That's the front side of it.
It's a clover.
So, what does a clover represent?
That's actually a circumscribed lotus.
Circumscribed lotus.
Yeah, because I've seen that icon before.
Right down here, Peyote Way Church, Emmanuel Chaziel.
So they are part of the Mormon Church.
They belong to the United Order.
Splinter groups.
Mormon splinter groups.
Yeah, and they'll tell you they have nothing to do with the Mormon Church except for the dietary guidelines, but this says otherwise.
So all of these are splinter churches?
I mean, it's primary source documentation, you know.
You can't refute primary source documentation and citations like that.
Aside from being officially canonized by the church itself, I mean, totally no other connections.
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Fundamentalist White Family.
You're dealing with people that just make up lies from multiple outlets to make them appear true.
So it's really easy to push falsehoods like this into the truth just by insisting it over and over again so people can cite multiple sources when asked.
And, you know, they knew they had to pre-bunk this stuff.
Pre-bunk it.
Pre-bunk it.
Well, yeah, when you're building a nice persona slash lore for a character, you've got to put a few safeguards in place just in case people ever start asking what the real story is.
Which, you know, if there's only one story and one source, people start asking questions.
But if multiple outlets are all reporting the same thing, you've got to dig deep to find out that's bogus.
This is from the League for Spiritual Discovery.
There's the symbol again.
He was innately connected with Leary.
They were good buddies.
As a matter of fact, Emanuel had, right up to his death, he had a framed letter.
He used to contact Rosemary Leary.
They were pen pals, and they wrote often.
And he had a framed letter on his dresser in his bedroom.
And as a matter of fact, my son and I, the last time we were there, we visited Emanuel one of the last times I was there.
And I was in his bedroom, and he had a National Socialist red and white and black Nazi flag on the wall, and he had the SS flag on the other wall.
It's like, so is he still ideating this, or what is going on with that?
Yeah, what the hell's up?
Yeah. He also had a drawer full of German Marx.
He had a shitload of German money in his drawer.
Man, you were so close to intelligence rings.
It's insane.
Oh, yeah.
And, I mean, that's regalia.
He'd be arrested in the actual country of Germany for having played.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know what they gave her all that stuff now that he's dead.
He died in 2010.
If an enemy introduced a consciousness-expanding drug into a military command center, our leaders, if they are accurately informed and experienced about the potentials of expanded awareness, might find that men in certain key positions could function better.
In fact, we must assume that these substances are now being used by our space agency for the preparation of astronauts, who will certainly undergo altered states of consciousness in space exploration.
Your brain is your own.
Intelligent, open collaboration can expand your mind with words and with drugs.
Only ignorance and misinformation can allow someone, someone else, to control it.
With their own words, or with their drugs, or with their imaginary fears.
It's really concerning, the notion of consciousness being presented here.
Yeah. So that comes out of the book, What to Do When the Viet Cong Drop LSD?
I don't remember.
Page 63. I've got so much stuff in my files, it's ridiculous.
I want to read that book.
Yeah. What to Do When the Viet Cong Drop LSD?
So I'm assuming that was part of the plan to, you know, win the Vietnam War.
Now here we have another citation with Leary and Emmanuel.
That name sounds so familiar, Antonin Artaud.
Right, yeah.
Now that's not really a surprising connection.
Honor S. Thompson?
Yeah, I mean, the guy ran for sheriff with the peyote button as his logo, for God's sake.
He was a huge advocate.
That would have been amazing if you met Hunter S. Thompson.
This is from the San Francisco Oracle, 1967, when Emanuel was running around on Haight Street in March, the same month Leary was released and showed up.
Is that the suspicion letter?
Yeah, that's the first one.
And then they came out with this one.
And on the other side is the blue paper.
That says he's not the man, and it's signed by Walter Bauer, Michael Bowen, who started, he was the founder of the Human Being in Golden Gate Park.
He was an artist who helped found the Human Being, the first being.
Wow, my God.
Harry Krishna and William Fontaine.
He was a cannabis smuggler, and there's almost nothing you can find about him.
But they all vouch for Emmanuel.
These are like official communiques, and they look like bathroom scrawls.
I'm just imagining these communications coming through.
This is an official message.
No, he's cool, man.
That is all.
Is the Oracle that's being referred to here the CIA operation?
Oracle? It's the San Francisco Oracle, the underground newspaper.
Okay. Yeah, they were like some kind of zine or something?
Yeah. Now this is a pamphlet called The Bigots Behind the Swastika Spree.
He's mentioned...
There's a whole section in there about Emanuel.
There's one of the pictures from it.
Here is the ADL Network's Asian provocateur, Manna Truhill, all dressed up in the uniform of his elite guard, whose Nazi-like trappings were paid for with funds collected from frightened Jewish businessmen to fight the Nazis and anti-Semites.
Man, we're just seeing this like tenfold today, minus the outfits.
It's better funded now and slicker graphics.
I love you.
I hate you.
So this book is really hard to find then, huh?
Oh yeah.
Alright, I'm gonna definitely try to find it.
And I sent one to a podcaster and I wish I didn't do it.
He turned out to be a piece of shit and called the FBI on three people.
A lot of us got hurt by this guy, and he's still around, but I regret sending him one of my copies.
That sucks, dude.
Sorry to hear that.
Yeah, we've talked about him on other podcasts, so I'm not going to mention his name now.
Yeah, we don't know.
Well, if you call the FBI on somebody, that means you're an FBI informant.
I don't think I've ever done that.
Call the FBI?
You're an FBI informant.
Who the fuck does that?
Yeah, like, do you just know, like, three different people planning bombings, for Christ's sakes?
Maybe you need better friends.
No, these were podcasters, and they were talking about Jews, and the guy didn't like it.
Oh, I see.
Oh, that's scary, because, you know, there's been, like, a push towards making the officially codifying anti-Semitism laws as of late.
Things have changed.
It's evolved a lot.
This whole scene is just so wild, man.
That's what's coming through.
They added the whole criticizing Israel is now anti-Semitic.
I mean, yeah, Trump.
That executive order.
Per official policy now.
Yeah, you saw that guy fine right out of Florida.
Oh my god.
What the fuck is that shit?
Yeah, they'll be knocking on doors here any day, you know, the way it's going.
Yeah, it seems like.
Here, I want to share this now.
It's just one of the links that you sent me, Foreign Policy Journal.
Yes. This is a six-page article, but right here on the second paragraph, the second paragraph, right there, you see him.
Oh, man, yeah.
One of the earliest supporters of Madhulé's new NRP was Mana Truhill, who issued a crudely anti-Semitic bulletin without Madhulé's approval.
Agent for the Anti-Nazi League, A&L.
Couldn't even make a proper anti-Semitic bulletin.
No respect, all laziness.
Slacking. Yeah, he's in that other one, too, a little bit there.
That's an interesting six-page article.
It is kind of funny that every story adds that he was kind of lazy about shit.
What was that guy's name?
His first name, Fine?
You know what?
I was just reading about him a few hours ago.
I don't know.
It takes my mind right now.
I just remember the last name, Fine, in Florida.
Oh, right here.
Okay. I just want to play this audio here.
Randy Fine is his name.
Randy Fine says, there's no suffering adequate for these animals.
May the streets of Gaza overflow with blood.
What does he say here?
We are a people that has been kicked out of every place we've ever lived for 2,000 years.
Every single place.
Like, this is ridiculous right here.
Someone posts a picture of a dead baby in Gaza or something, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
How do you sleep at night?
And then old Senator Randy Fine says, quote, quite well, actually.
Thanks for the pic!
Exclamation. End quote.
He's all about this genocide.
He is like, kill them all.
Yeah, that's your pretty story yourself, you fucking prick.
Oh, wow, man.
It's just nuts.
It's nuts that Randy Fine is out there doing that.
Unbelievable, man, these people.
The friggin' call.
Absolutely disgusting.
Any opportunity to enhance a crime based on arbitrary criteria is just an invitation for the ruling class to punish its enemies.
I don't want to know what he did with that picture.
Yeah. And again, I would remind you that there is no...
There's no First Amendment right to conduct.
There's a First Amendment right to speech.
And the things that we're targeting in the bill are not speech.
Again, if someone wants to stand across the street from my house and wave a sign on the sidewalk, they have every right to do that.
And this bill won't have anything to do with that.
But when it veers into conduct, and so the way we're going to approach this is through a hate crime kicker.
So if you project, if you graffiti a building, it is a crime now.
But if your motivation is hate, it will be a third-degree felony.
You will spend five years in prison.
If you want to litter, it's a crime right now.
But if you litter and your motivation is a hate crime, it will be a third-degree felony.
You will spend five years in jail.
It is a crime right now to hang banners from an interstate.
For obvious reasons, we don't want to distract drivers.
But if you do that and you have a hate crime, a hate motivation, it will be a third-degree felony.
You will spend five years in jail.
How optimistic are you of leaving this bill?
I guarantee the bill will pass.
It's disgusting.
And you know how they got there?
By, well, this point of agitation.
See, if you push from both sides, either one side takes over and gets to be super extreme, or the response to it gets to take over and be super extreme.
Yeah, anyway, I don't want to...
I'm not going to comment on any of that.
I was just here to do payout.
And he's like...
He's supposed to be the super popular head of this amazing church, you know, and there's nothing about him.
Yeah, you know, it's the old rabbi, whatcha doing shit.
Almost every one of these incidences are caused by Jews, as we've seen.
It's been proven over and over again.
And it goes way back, even before Emmanuel doing this shit.
Drawing pictures of Hitler and all their shit and signing them.
Oh my God.
And like I said, the lore nowadays...
Oh yeah, we didn't do these yet.
Go to the top of this, please.
Right there.
The red thing.
Revised Bylaws, Church of...
That right there is a 1968 book by the Smithsonian Institute regarding American Indian painters.
Now if you'll scroll one more...
Oh yeah.
Right there.
You'll see the name Manna.
And there's almost no information, see?
Now go ahead and scroll one more.
Go ahead and scroll one more.
Now here you'll see the name Rena Paratus.
That was one of Emmanuel's wives.
He toured with her doing pottery shows.
And you can see there's a shitload of information about her.
She was a Canadian Indian.
And I think she was his third wife.
She might have been his second wife.
I'm not sure.
But very interesting.
Yeah. Now, if you go back down a little bit, a couple, no, the other way.
Right here, this was sent to me by Dana Duda, the researcher.
She does a lot of work, fine work, with the Scientology and the Process Church of the Final Judgment.
She came across this in her research and sent it to me.
So I got to give her a heads up for that and a kudos.
And if anybody's not familiar with Dana Duda, please go check her work out.
She does real fine work.
But she came across this and said, I don't know anything about this, but I know Carl does a thing on Peyote Way.
So she sent me that, and it's in my files now.
Then we had a picture of Emanuel in 1968 sitting on a sofa.
