CONTACT ME Email: paranaughtica@gmail.com Twitter: @paranaughtica Facebook: The Paranaughtica PodcastRobert W. Sullivan IV (1971- ) is a Freemason, philosopher, historian, antiquarian, jurist, lay theologian, writer, editor, mystic, radio-TV personality, showman, best-selling author, CEO, and lawyer. Mr. Sullivan joined Amicable-St. John’s Lodge #25, Baltimore Maryland in 1997; he became a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Freemason in 1999, Valley of Baltimore, Orient of Maryland.He has been on numerous radio and TV shows including NHK Japanese World Television, Coast to Coast AM, John B. Wells’ Ark Midnight and Caravan to Midnight, Sean Stone’s Buzzsaw, Whitely Strieber’s Dreamland, Truth Frequency, Gnostic Warrior, Richard Syrett’s Conspiracy Show, Fade to Black, The Higherside Chats, Red Ice Creations, Barbara DeLong’s Night Light, Miguel Conner’s Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio, Richard Syrett’s Strange Planet, Veritas Radio, and Shirley MacLaine’s I.E. Radio among countless others. In January 2014, he was Graham Hancock’s Author of the Month.He has also made television appearances on the History Channels, Curse of Oak Island.Find him at robertwsullivaniv.com So sit back, and enjoy this discussion!If you'd like, you can help this show by checking out my Spotify page, or heading to the Facebook Page where you can help through KOFI or PAYPAL. Thank you all! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Hello and welcome everyone to a special episode of the Paranautica Podcast.
I am here with a special guest, Robert Sullivan IV, and we're going to be talking about a lot of cool stuff, hidden symbology, symbolism in movies.
So, Robert Sullivan, if you want to introduce yourself really quick.
Go ahead.
Yeah, sure.
Thank you for having me on the Paranautica podcast.
It's my pleasure to be here.
My name is Robert Sullivan.
I'm the author of five books presently out, The Royal Arch of Enoch, Cinema Symbolism 1, 2, and 3, and a work of fiction called A Pack with the Devil.
I'm currently working on Cinema Symbolism 4, another book called Cinema Symbolism Oz, which is just going to focus solely on The Wizard of Oz.
Right now, re-editing and re...
I'm rewriting portions of some of my earlier works, mainly Cinema Symbolism 1, 2, and Royal Arch of Enoch.
There are some edits that I want to make in those, and I will be releasing, let's see here, it'll be a Royal Arch 3rd edition and a Cinema Symbolism 3rd edition, and a Cinema Symbolism 2 2nd edition, but those are still at least, you know, a couple years away.
I can only do one thing at a time here.
There's only so many hours in the day.
But no, I mean, I've got a lot going on, and as I'm doing that, I'm working on Cinema Symbolism 4. I've got other works of fiction outlined.
You have a lot going on.
I mean, you're a historian, a philosopher, antiquarian, a jurist, a lay theologian, obviously a writer, author, a mystic, radio TV personality, best-selling author, CEO, a lawyer.
A lot going on.
You publish and distribute books as well?
Right. I do all the legwork.
I run a publishing company, essentially.
I mean, it's called Deadwood Publishing.
It was named after one of my favorite TV shows called Deadwood, which aired on HBO many years ago.
And yeah, I mean, I'm a bit of a control freak, I suppose.
So I do it.
I'm hands-on and I do it all myself.
That's the way to do it, man.
That's what I've learned to do.
I have to do everything myself to just get it right the way I see it, the way I want it to be portrayed.
It's easier that way.
Exactly. Yep, exactly.
And you're also a 32-degree Scottish Rite Freemason out of St. John's Lodge, number 25, in Baltimore.
Well, no, I'm actually – well, I'm a third – well, my Blue Lodge is amicable St. John's Lodge, number 25. I'm a 32nd of the Scottish Rite.
That's the Valley of Baltimore, Orient of Maryland.
How do you have the time to do all of this?
This is just amazing.
Yeah, I mean, I do practice law, but I do it a few days a week, so I spend other days just writing and editing.
Of course, you can't...
If you do all this 24-7, you'll have burnout.
From my experience, there comes a point in time in the day where you can't look at it anymore.
If you continue to work on it, it'll become stale and dry.
The next day, you wind up looking at it and thinking to yourself, I've got to redo all this.
Everything I wrote was kind of crappy.
I sort of cut everything off at around 5, 5.30.
I take breaks.
But for me, writing and editing and doing my books, it's really a labor of love for me.
I guess what you would say is it's sort of my form of relaxation.
So it's something I just really enjoy doing.
And like I said, it's a labor of love.
And I like writing.
I like doing the research.
And I like getting the books out.
And then I like promoting them.
Absolutely. And we're going to promote your books here.
But I agree, man.
Because I find doing research...
Pretty relaxing, but then also it gets very daunting at the same time.
And like my quote-unquote relaxation is I stop for a minute, pick up my guitar, play some music for a minute, go back to research, kind of like refresh the brain because it gets pretty intense and like I said, stale.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, there reaches a point in time in the day where I just put it down and can't look at it anymore.
And it's...
It's better off that way.
You need breaks and you can't just sit there.
It will.
It won't remain fresh.
It'll just be flat.
For me, there's a lot that I can do.
For me, I have a methodology to do it.
When I begin writing, I like outlining and making notes.
That helps me organize and put it together.
Inevitably, and again, this is just my perspective on it, how can I say?
I'll write it, and then the next day I'll go back and look at what I've wrote, and then I'll wind up tweaking it a little more.
But one thing I've learned in all this, and this is what you had kind of said earlier, is you are your own best friend when it comes to this, whether it be the book interior or the photographs or the writing or the editing.
Only you know how you want it to look.
That's why I do it all myself.
Over the years, I have been disappointed time after time with editors.
The graphic designers aren't bad, but the editing is something I do solely.
There's no such thing as a perfect book.
If I edit it, there's a few mistakes.
I can live with that.
But if I turn it over to an editor...
I just find that I'm never satisfied with what they do.
I'm looking for something more.
You know, the one thing that I like doing is, you know, is even after I get done a chapter or whatever, I mean, I will constantly go back and read it and reread it and reread it and reread it and tweak it and edit it.
And because there's so many things that editors don't pick up on, such as, you know, like the flow.
I mean, they'll just read it and say, okay, you know, this is the way he wants it.
I'm just going to look out for grammatical errors.
I think that editing is more of, you know, generating a flow.
Using creative terms, trying not to repeat, although that's almost impossible to do.
Of course.
But at any rate, that's my take on it.
My attitude is if you're going to do a book, try to do it yourself because you'll be much more satisfied with it.
You'll be much more satisfied with the finished product because it's what you want at the end of the day.
And there's no one to place blame on except for yourself if there's anything wrong with it.
Exactly. And a lot of times, I mean, and this is even true for me, if there is something wrong with it or you find a typo, if you've done it yourself and you've created the templates, you can actually go back and correct it.
It's very easy to do and just, you know, exchange out the edition, just exchange out the PDF and, you know, with the edit or whatever.
You know, that I've done once or twice also.
But, you know, every book I've read.
You know, even, you know, whether it be Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, you name it, Simon& Schuster, there's no such thing as a perfect book.
I mean, I just read a book on The Exorcist that had some mistakes in it, you know, and that's inevitable.
I mean, in the end, a book like anything else is a product of humans or a human, and humans are, of course, infallible, you know, not perfect creatures.
You know, it's like a movie.
I mean, you sit there and look at it hard enough.
I mean, you will inevitably find some sort of continuity error or something like that.
And it's the same thing with books.
I mean, inevitably, there will be some sort of typo or erratum or whatever.
So you just do the best you can.
And, you know, like I said, nobody's perfect.
Yeah, perfectly said, man.
So some talking points.
We're going to get into, like, some 9-11 stuff, movie symbology, like Vanilla Sky, The Matrix, Fight Club, Joker.
I know you like to talk about Suspiria a lot.
Do you want to start there with Suspiria?
Yeah, well, there's a lot going on.
There's two of them.
There's the one from 2018, and then there's the original with Argenta.
I liked both of them.
I thought the 18 one was an admirable remake.
The one thing that I picked up on, and this was after I had written the book, the original Suspiria I took on in Cinema Symbolism 2, and I'm actually in the process of re-editing this, so I've got to add a little material in with this.
But that whole thing with Heidelberg, where that ballet school is set, that was the hubbub of the Rosicrucians back in the day.
And if you watch that movie very carefully...
It's implied.
I mean, it's not subtle.
I mean, if you're familiar with it, when Susie eventually discovers the witch's lair beneath the ballet, you know, behind the wall of the ballet school and she's going back in the hallways, if you pay attention to this writing on the wall, it's all these Rosicrucian emblems and phrases.
And I think the implication is that sort of the Rosicrucians were using this place as a hideout and eventually this witch's coven.
It sort of drove them out, as it were.
It's very interesting.
I don't know if a lot of people are aware of that.
I just became aware of it within the last year or so.
I'm not aware of that at all.
No, yeah.
That's very interesting.
Yeah, it is.
Take a look at it.
I liked both the movies.
Definitely a lot of symbolism going on, but the whole thing with the Rosicrucian aspect of it, at least for me, I thought was one of the most fascinating parts of it, at least for the first one.
Now, about Rosicrucianism, so for the listeners, can you just kind of differentiate Freemasonry, Illuminati, Rosicrucianism?
Because they're not all one the same.
Do they intermix?
I mean, how...
How are they differentiated?
Right. We'll just go in chronological order is the best way to perceive.
The Rosicrucians are this mystical brotherhood that come on the scene in the early 17th century with the publication of these treaties known as the Rosicrucian Manifestos, the Fama, the Confessio, and the Alchemical Wedding.
And they announce to this world that there is this Christian secret society.
Using alchemy and sorcery essentially as a reformist – they're essentially a reformist movement to reform the church, monarchy, politics.
The big problem with the Rosicrucians is there's absolutely no evidence anywhere that they actually existed.
There's no one person that you can point to and say, oh, he's a Rosicrucian.
Except for maybe, you know, what's his name?
Johann Andreas Valentin, who writes The Alchemical Wedding.
I mean, you have people who are clearly influenced by Rosicrucianism.
And you can point to, if you look at the two treaties, or the three treaties, excuse me, well, it's the two main ones.
It's the Confessio and the Fama.
The Alchemical Wedding is like a mystical story.
It's alchemical.
It documents the marriage of the sun and the moon.
But if you look at the first two, the two people whose philosophies those tracks are based upon is John Dee and Giordano Bruno.
So you could kind of consider them maybe proto-Rosicrucians, as it were.
But again, I mean, there's no evidence anywhere, you know, or at least credible evidence that these people existed.
I think a lot of historians, at least the mainstream ones, and I tend to agree with them, identify Rosicrucianism as more of a mindset than as an actual secret society.
It was a reformist, sort of a mystical Protestant mindset, reformist mindset, is the best way to look at it.
Then you have...
The Freemasons, they officially come on the scene in 1717.
They exist before that, of course, but that's when the formation of the Grand Lodge occurs on June 24th, 1717.
That's the thesis John the Baptist, Midsommar, the apex of the sun in the northern hemisphere.
No surprise because the sun is the most important symbol within Freemasonry.
And they are sort of also...
They reflect Rosicrucianism in the same vein that they're a mystical Protestant brotherhood.
I think a lot of people are in agreement that the whole purpose of the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons was to sort of have a mystical...
You know, occult, esoteric, secret society, brotherhood to counterbalance or counteract the Jesuits and the Counter-Reformation that was sweeping across Europe at that time.
So, you know, and the Freemasons, of course, are real.
You can argue that, and I think successfully, that they incorporate a lot of mystical doctrines, whether it be alchemy, Rosicrucianism, from a reformist standpoint.
You know, Gnosticism, things like that.
I mean, Christianity, of course, Kabbalah, Judaism, Islam, Sufism.
So, you know, that's the Freemasons.
They exist to this day.
Where they actually come from is...
The origin story varies.
There's no definitive origin story.
And then you get, you know, years later at the end of the 18th century, you get the Bavarian Illuminati.
This, by all accounts, it definitely...
It merges with Freemasonry and attaches itself to Freemasonry, but by all accounts, this is a Jesuit ruse.
The Jesuits had gone out of business a few years earlier.
The entire structure and the hierarchy of the Illuminati was based upon the Society of Jesus, and by all accounts, it's the Jesuits under another guise, essentially, essentially trying to infiltrate Freemasonry, probably trying to discredit it.
Whether or not – and again, this is debatable.
I mean the Illuminati definitely seems to fall off the cliff and kind of disappear with the wars of Napoleon.
There is evidence to suggest that – I mean although it's not really probably associated with the Jesuits anymore – that their doctrines, that their sort of globalist occult – Doctrines of world domination.
I mean, there is credible evidence that this do reemerge in 1832 at Yale University with skull and bones.
That has often been cited as a possible Illuminati lodge.
And I don't say that oddly.
There is a lot of credible evidence to this.
So, you know, if the Illuminati of Bavaria is...
Technically gone.
You know, you could have seen the reemergence at Yale University in 1832, which was ultimately born out of the whole thing with Skull and Bones was a reaction to the anti-Masonic movement that was sweeping across the United States at the time due to the William Morgan affair.
And Skull and Bones was a reaction to that.
So, you know, that's, you know, from a mainstream historian standpoint.
The take on the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons, and the Illuminati.
So the Bavarian Illuminati, that wasn't started by Adam Weishaupt?
No, it was.
It was started by Weishaupt on May 1, 1776.
Yeah, it was at the University of Ingolstadt, and he was trained by the Jesuits.
And this is one of the things that makes the argument with Skull and Bones so persuasive is because Skull and Bones also attaches itself to a university.
The Illuminati comes out of the University of Ingolstadt.
Yale University is, of course, home to Skull and Bones.
So again, this is one of the indicators that perhaps Skull and Bones is just a continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati.
And if you read any book on Skull and Bones, I mean, one of the first things you read is they're based upon a society, a secret society coming out of Germany.
Well, what could that be?
Yeah, right.
I can't remember it.
I'd have to go look it up.
Time stamps everything and dates itself is based upon, I believe, the 1776 foundation date of the Illuminati.
So, again, there is ample evidence and I think credible evidence to suggest that the skull and bones at Yale is a reformation, you know, a reemergence, by the better word, of a skull.
That's so interesting.
So who's more prominent in the world then?
The Jesuits seem to be behind literally everything.
Are they more prominent than say the Illuminati or even Freemasonry?
They're just like lesser known or hidden more?
Well, it's like anything else.
I mean it's sort of – it's a question that really – and I guess this is what gives rise to a lot of these conspiracy theories is back in the day, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, these were all – You know, like, you know, real social forces in the world.
Today, they aren't.
The Jesuits lose all their powers with the Napoleonic Wars.
I mean, they're just a vestige, a shadow of their former selves.
And the Freemasons are as well.
They go under with the William Morgan affair.
They survive it, but again, it's just a shadow of their former selves.
They don't really have any power anymore.
Certainly not like they did between the foundation of the United States in 1776 and the reign of DeWitt Clinton.
Up until the 1820s, those years are sort of the heyday of Masonic power in the United States.
That is all undone in the 1820s, 1826 with the William Morgan Affair, where Masonry is completely all but rendered extinct in the United States.
They survive it.
It survives, but it basically reemerges as a fraternal order that helps widows and orphans.
Jesuits are the same thing.
I mean, back in the day...
You know, the Society of Jesus was essentially the Vatican's, you know, Langley, as it were, was the central intelligence agency of Europe.
That's not the case anymore.
I mean, yeah, they're still around.
Yeah, they're still influential, like the Masons, but they don't wield, at least I don't believe, they wield the power that they once had.
But again, this is why, you know, you have these conspiracy theories that exist, is, you know, they once did have power, but it's dissipated, but people still want to believe that it's there.
I mean, it could be to an extent.
I mean, I'm a Freemason myself.
I'm not going to deny the fact that it's not influential and certainly without power, but it certainly doesn't operate the way it did, say, back at the early 19th century.
So what would you say the common misconception that the general public have about Freemasonry and their influence on politics in, I guess, the modern era?
Well, I would say that, you know, it's a...
I wouldn't say it's a misconception or anything.
I think that part of the problem is that Masons have always denied this and that's given rise to more suspicion.
And clearly that's a mistake because, I mean, if...
You know, you look at the foundations of the country, the whole country is based upon Freemasonry.
I mean, everything.
The founding documents from the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution.
Cornerstone. Yeah, I mean, the cornerstone ceremonies, the monuments, the buildings.
I mean, the White House is a replica of a Masonic lodge in Ireland.
I mean, the capital, the domed capital is a symbol of Apollo, the sun god.
If you are familiar with Masonry, the sun is the most important symbol within Masonry.
We routinely see solar iconography out there.
Those are usually Masonic, Neoplatonic references.
But the problem is the Masons have always denied this.
You know, it's always a conspiracy theory.
The truth is, you know, the Freemasonry back in the day was very powerful and it was somewhat conspiratorial and it did craft the nation and they created all these Masonic logos and monuments, you know, and what have you.
But then it kind of goes away.
But people see it today and think it's evidence of this vast Masonic conspiracy where it was really the founding fathers and the people who were creating the nation were using Masonic iconography, symbols, logos, philosophy to create the new nation around.
That's ultimately what it boils down to.
And again, part of the reason why it's always, you know...
People have looked at it with suspicion.
I understand it is.
There's no transparency.
It was just done.
It's a secret society.
Exactly. It was just done.
There was no transparency.
No one asked anybody to do it.
It was just done.
But I don't think Masons have done a good job with it either.
I don't want to...
Put it down too much because, I mean, I am a member myself.
But, you know, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there is a branch of masonry that is esoteric, that is mystical, that is currently being revived, which is a good thing.
But, you know, I mean, like even when I joined in 1997, I mean, I remember people coming up to me saying, you know, some of the other members saying, you know, you're going to hear these conspiracy theories about this, that, and the other.
You know, you just, you know, okay, but then you start researching, you really do realize that, you know, so much of the country was Masonic, but it wasn't really this dark conspiracy at a foot.
It was essentially the creators, the founding.
The founders of this country were all Masons, and they were just using what was familiar to them to formulate the country around.
I mean, in no way was this ever meant to be considered dark or demonic or anything like that.
So again, this is one of the reasons why this was one of my motivating factors for doing the first book, was to kind of get this out in the open and talk about it.
And it has its detractors, of course, but by and large, it's been well-received overall.
A lot of people see like, okay, so a lot of our world leaders have been Masons, obviously.
And then there are groups like the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove.
So a lot of presidents have gone to Bohemian Grove and they have been Masons.
So what's the connection with...
Well, I mean, this again, I mean, it really has no connection with Freemasonry in any way, shape or form.
I mean, there are a lot of organizations out there that are Masonic-like, but that doesn't connect them to Masonry.
I mean, there's, you know, such as like the Odd Fellows or groups like that.
They are Masonic-like, but...
I mean, it's like a college fraternity and sorority.
You know, the same thing.
They're Masonic-like, but they're not really attached to Masonry.
The Bohemian Society, Bohemian Grove...
It's essentially a summer camp where the world's elite get together and perform this somewhat strange cremation of care ritual in the middle of the summer.
I mean, that's about it.
I mean, it has no connections or ties to Freemasonry just because someone who goes happens to be a Freemason.
I mean, that's way too much of a slippery slope.
You know, so, you know, it's you have, I mean, this always has to be distinguished that you have organizations out there that, you know, employ secrecy and are Masonic-like, but are not necessarily attached to Freemasonry, such as groups like Oddfellows,
or if you want to get into more of the, you know, more conspiratorial ones like, you know, Bilderberg or Trilateral, you know, groups like Bohemian Grove or things like that.
In the end, they probably, to some extent, all owe their...
You know, origins to Freemasonry because ultimately Freemasonry was, you know, was, it probably still is, the most powerful secret order, you know, of them all.
Clearly within the United States, the Royal Archmasons were the world, were the country's first deep state.
I mean, they're the ones running the show, you know, behind the scenes.
You know, that's the whole, one of the premises of my book.
You know, back in the day with DeWitt, Clinton, the Livingstone family, Ephraim, Kirby.
Thomas Smith Webb, that cast of characters.
I mean, those are the guys who are running the show, all behind the scenes.
And again, this is what gets undone with the William Morgan affair.
You may have heard the term in your travels, something known as the Colombian Illuminati.
This is the American version.
Yeah, this is the American Illuminati.
This is what I'm talking about.
These were the Royal Archmasons run by DeWitt Clinton, who is the former mayor of New York City and former governor of New York State.
He is literally the inventor of the American political system, even as it stands.
I was going to ask, are the Clintons, Hillary and Bill related?
No, no relation.
No relation.
Completely unrelated.
DeWitt Clinton, he's critical because he's a Jeffersonian Republican, but all his buddies are the Federalists.
And he's the guy who is working behind the scenes of the two-party system.
At the time, it was the Federalists and the Jeffersonian Republicans to pull the strings of the administration.
This is literally America's first deep state.
This all gets undone by the William Morgan affair.
The political...
The machinery of this survives, and this is what ultimately gets turned into what's known as Tammany Hall out of New York City, run by Boss Tweed, who was a Freemason and an Oddfellow.
You want to see more on him, go watch the Martin Scorsese movie Gangs of New York.
He's the guy again.
And if you watch that, you'll see him doing the same thing, manipulating the New York City politics from behind the scene.
That was Tammany Hall.
Again, if you're interested in what I've been talking about, by all means, check out my very first book called The Royal Arch of Enoch.
I get into all this Masonic machinations in the early days of the country.
Now, is The Royal Arch of Enoch also the title of the 13th degree of the Scottish Rite and the 7th in the English Rite?
Correct. It's part of the high-degree system, which is the York right and the Scottish right.
You're correct.
It's the 13th degree in the Scottish, the 7th in the York Rite.
It's without question arguably the highest degree in Freemasonry and it's certainly the most important because it documents the ritual is the recovery of what was lost in the Blue Lodge.
All the Blue Lodge Masons are running around looking for the lost word of the Master Mason which is the name of God.
It's this word that is recovered known as the Tetragrammaton in the high degree ceremonial known as the Royal Arch and it is by far One of the most important rituals in masonry.
And if you research it long enough like I have, you will come to understand that it is really the ritual and its philosophies and its symbolism and its mythos, I suppose is probably the best word, that is really being used to craft the United States around,
as it were.
That is like the original ritual, right?
With the Hiram Abiff and how he was basically murdered.
What you're talking about now, that's the third degree ritual.
That's the Master Mason ritual, which is the Hiram Abiff ritual or ceremonial.
That's the third degree where the candidate portrays Hiram Abiff.
He's the architect of Solomon's Temple, and he gets murdered by three fellow crafts, ultimately to be resurrected on something known as the substitute word of a master mason, because the word is lost in the Blue Lodge.
The Royal Arch is part of the high degrees, and that is the recovery of this word that Hiram had, but had lost.
It's concealed at a subterranean vault on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
And it has to do with Jews returning to the Holy Land to build the second temple.
And they discover this secret subterranean vault.
And in this vault is, among other things, the Ark of the Covenant, but it's also the name of God, which is this lost heremic word from the Blue Lodge.
It's so interesting.
What do you know about, what's his name, Eliphas Levi or Alphonse Louis Constant?
You're familiar with his work, right?
Oh, of course.
Yeah, he is a French occultist.
I suppose if you wanted to identify...
The two most 19th century important occultists and writers of the time, Elaphis Levy would probably be 1A and Madame Blavatsky would be 1B.
You could interchange them, I'm sure.
And yeah, Levy is very, very important in all this.
He creates a very dualistic...
A system of magic where this whole thing is based on this concept known as astral light, which is sort of a merger of yin-yang energies.
Again, it's very Manichaean, very dualistic, black and white, dark and light, things like that.
Within Masonry, he is a Freemason.
It's debatable on how long he remains a Freemason.
There's evidence to suggest he joins a lodge and it's not for him and he leaves it very quickly.
Others suggest that he stays with it.
Levy is important because it's from his works that a man named Albert Pike, who is the grand sovereign commander of the Scottish Rite in the 19th century, writes a book called Morals and Dogma.
And Pike literally plagiarizes great chunks of Levy in his work.
Oh, yeah.
You'll be reading Pike and then you'll flip open a book to Levy and be like, wait a minute, I just read this.
I just read this verbatim.
He just lifts stuff completely out of the works of Levy and just takes it, completely plagiarizes it.
That's crazy.
Yeah, the Pike book is really...
More of a study on comparative religion and comparative symbolism more than anything.
And I guess one of the footnotes with Levy that's always been, you know, it's kind of interesting.
I believe Levy dies, I think it's something to the effect of like six months before Aleister Crowley is born.
And Crowley always claimed to be the reincarnation of Elath as Levy.
So I thought always that that was kind of interesting.
That's very interesting.
I mean, yeah, because Eliphas Levy, he wrote over 20 books on magic, the Kabbalah, alchemical studies, and occultism.
I mean, he joined the Catholic Church early on.
He was ecclesiastical, and then he left and just started writing all this esoteric literature.
Absolutely. I mean, like I said, in 19th century occultism, I mean, it's him and Blavatsky are the two main...
You know, characters that you'll come across over and over again when it comes to, you know, occultism and certainly influence upon Western occultism.
I mean, the impact of Elathus Levy and Madame Blavatsky is substantial.
Yes, I've read History of Magic, Transcendental Magic, and Key of the Mysteries from Elathus Levy.
And one thing in History of Magic that always stuck with me, because I just, his writing, even his writing style is amazing.
It's clear, and it's pretty precise, and he's very detailed in his writings.
I love his style.
But in History of Magic, he tells a very interesting story that comes from the book of the Penitence of Adam.
You're familiar with that?
I mean, I have Levy's book here.
I have the History of Magic here, but refresh my memory.
Well, yeah, so he tells a story.
It comes out of the book of the Penetence of Adam.
And so Adam had three sons.
One was Cain, who signified brute force.
The other was Abel, who signified intelligence and mildness.
They obviously had some disagreements, as we know.
And in the story, it wasn't just Cain who killed Abel.
I guess they killed each other in this story.
And then after that, their inheritance from Adam was passed to their third son, Seth.
And so when Adam died, Seth was directed by an angel.
To place three seeds of the tree of life, tree of knowledge, what have you, in the mouth of Adam at his burial as a token of eternal life.
And then those seeds grew basically into a tree, and it became the infamous burning bush, which was how God communicated to Moses.
And the branch continued to live and blossom.
And as the story goes, it was preserved in the Ark.
And then if you fast forward a little bit, King David, Then found that branch wand, and he planted it on Mount Zion.
And then that grew into the three trees that were sort of entwined into one tree.
And then King Solomon comes along, who is King David's son, also called Jedidiah.
He would take three, I guess, three giant pieces of wood from each of the tree trunks, and he made two pillars for either side of the sacred temple, the Temple of Solomon.
The pillars were Jaqin and Boaz, I believe is how it was pronounced, which represent either side of the Kabbalistic tree of life.
And these were then covered with bronze.
And then a third piece of the wood was placed on the top of the two pillars to complete the entrance to the temple.
And this piece was meant to keep out the unclean or the unholy.
One night, some nefarious Levites took the top piece and threw it into the reservoir that surrounded the temple, where it remained for quite some time.
Fast forward to Jesus Christ and his persecution.
So the reservoir was either drained or cleaned, and the Jews found the beam of wood, which they were clueless as to how important this piece of wood was.
And they took that beam of the original Temple of Solomon and placed it over the brook of water called Sidron, thereby creating a makeshift bridge.
and it was over this bridge that they made Jesus Christ pass over when they arrested him in the Garden of Olives and well the executioners they were kind of unprepared on how to kill him so they took basically out of haste they took
that beam and they formed that beam into a crucifix which they then crucified Jesus on so that story is really intense if that is accurate
Yeah, I mean, it's probably...
I would view it as more of an allegorical story.
Because, I mean, my research is that none of the people in the Bible are real people.
They're just astrological motifs.
So, I mean, but, you know, the stuff with Yachin and Boaz, you know, that of course does turn up in Masonry.
They get intertwined with the Pillars of Enoch at some point in time because you have literally two sets of pillars.
You have Yachin and Boaz and the Pillars of Enoch.
In the Masonic lore, you have the Pillars of Enoch that are eventually taken to Solomon's Temple and become Yachin and Boaz.
Which you have replicated in all the Masonic lodges.
But yeah, I mean, it just depends on what your interpretation of it is.
Is it real history or is it more allegorical?
Right. I take the Bible as completely allegorical.
I mean, I have so many discussions with Christians and Catholics who are like, no, that is the absolute truth.
These stories are all real.
And it's like, ah, man.
I guess, but even though we know that Jesus always talked in parables, you know, and like the whole thing is a parable.
Right. I mean, well, it's like, you know, it's...
It's the whole thing.
In my opinion, it's really more of an astrological manual.
It's the way I see it.
You have Christianity as Pisces, of course, is the procession of the equinoxes, is the sun in the house of Pisces.
All the hallmarkers with Christianity are either fish or water or feet.
Those are, of course, the symbols of Pisces.
Of course, before that, you have Ares, which is, of course, Moses with the ram.
And of course, a lot of the Hebrew religion incorporates fire, you know, symbolism and iconography.
And of course, you know, the end of the age of Taurus is more Moses smashing the golden calf.
The golden calf is, of course, the sun in the house of Taurus.
You know, so again, it's more, to me, allegorical of the sun, you know, changing houses and the worship of the sun adopting the house that's coming in.
I mean, even in...
I mentioned this in one...
Probably more than one of the books.
It's at Luke 22.10 where...
Where the disciples ask Jesus, who is the son, S-U-N, you know, after you leave the house of Pisces, what house would you go into next?
And his response is, you know, I go into the house of the guy holding the pitcher of water, which is Aquarius, of course.
So you have, you know, the age of Pisces, which we just concluded.
Now we're into the age of Aquarius.
Before Pisces was, you know, Aries, which is, you know, Judaism.
Then before that is, you know, the Egyptian Apisbol, Taurus.
You know, which is the golden calf that Moses smashes.
So I've always looked at the Bible as an astrological timekeeping manual, is the way I view it.
Yeah, that totally makes sense.
That totally makes sense.
And astrology has been given kind of a bad name.
I don't know why, but people kind of looked down.
They frown upon astrology for some reason, even though billionaires are like, you know what, millionaires, yeah, they don't believe in astrology, but billionaires do.
Yeah, well, the thing that sort of has reinforced my take on this is, and again, this is something we were talking off air, is this whole notion of what Aleister Crowley talked about, which is this, you know, he prophesied this new coming age of Horus,
he called it.
Of course, Horus is the sun god.
And he called it the Aeon of Horus.
When you break this down, all he is talking about is the Age of Aquarius, which, of course, is the sign we are in now.
What makes this so fascinating to me is if you go back 100 years and you read Crowley, and he describes...
You know, what this new age is going to be all about.
I mean, he gets very detailed about it, how you know it will be here, what some of its traits are, you know, what the worship of the sun takes on in this new sign.
And everything he said is coming to pass.
So that's like, wow.
You know, I mean, whatever this AWOS figure he was talking to at the very early...
Beginning of the 20th century.
I mean, people, so many people have just written this off as, oh, this is just Crowley being Crowley who's making it all up.
I mean, here it is a hundred years later plus.
And, you know, everything this guy was talking about has now come to pass.
It's astounding to me.
Yeah, he was getting information from somewhere.
Was it Awos who pretty much guided him to write a 500-page book in 72 hours?
He wrote, well, he goes to Egypt with his wife and the wife has this vision.
And it's a long story.
I'm not going to get...
I mean, it's a long story.
He winds up doing this ritual, according to her, and this is to summon his holy guardian angel, which was what he was trying to get in touch with at the Boleskin house, Lake Boleskin house.
This is the sacred magic of Abramel and the mage.
At any rate, he seems to have completed this in Egypt.
And the wife says to him, if you go to your study, I believe it's on April 2nd, 3rd or 4th or somewhere like that, and you sit in your study between, you know, whatever it is, like noon and 2 p.m. for three days, your guardian angel is going to appear and talk to you.
And of course, he does this.
And according to Crowley, the guardian angel does appear.
And this is where you get the dictation of the book of the law, Liber Alvelegis, which is this holy book.
It's very reminiscent of the Koran and the way it's written, you know, where this holy guardian angel is telling Crowley all about this new aeon of Horus, this new solar age that's coming, the Aquarian age.
And Crowley spends the rest of his life essentially writing books talking about this and designating...
What the religion of this new age is going to look like.
And he creates a tarot card deck for this new age.
He creates a Gematria and a Kubala for this new age.
And if you look at it now, it is quite remarkable how accurate this is.
And when I say quite remarkable, it's literally mind-blowing.
You know, how some of these numbers are turning up to designate this new age that is upon us.
Yeah, let's get into that.
Let's get into the numerology with Crowley and like the great mother and the goat of Mendez.
Right. So the way I first stumbled onto this was when I approached stuff like this and when I...
Really approach stuff like this.
It is with a highly skeptical eye.
I mean I approach this as a lawyer that – I mean I have to see a lot of evidence to convince me of this.
Absolutely, and that's good.
That's good.
Oh, yeah, and it was a path that started not in a way that I thought was – when I started looking at – It started with really 9-11.
I started looking at this, and you will start to see some very important numbers that Crowley uses turning up on 9-11.
And you could just say, okay, maybe it's a coincidence, things like that.
Whatever. But the rate of it turning up is quite high.
It's unnaturally high.
But even then, I wasn't convinced of this.
And some of the numbers I'm talking about are 77, this 42 number, 418, 11, 9. These are all numbers that Crowley gets into.
But, you know, I mean, it was impressive, but I still wasn't there.
But it was really when I started going back in time and started looking at things like Columbine, and especially the Murrah building, the Oklahoma City bombing, and then you go into Waco.
These same string of numbers kept popping up.
I mean, and not only were they popping up, but they were popping up with a high rate of frequency.
And this is what really made me start sitting up in my chair.
My reaction to this initially was that...
What I was looking at was that these numbers were designating this new age of Crowley, this age of Horus and of Aquarius.
And what Crowley says in his works are...
He gives some very interesting philosophies on this.
He says that the new sun god of this age, he gives it a name.
He calls it Heru-Raha.
And it means Horus Sunflesh.
And he says this sun god is dualistic.
It comes in two parts.
But then he says something more important than that.
And this is, he says this in Book 4, Magic and Theory.
He says, very soon...
This Heru-Raha, sun god, turns into something else.
And this, he ties into what you mentioned about Elathus Levi.
He said, the sun in the house of Aquarius represents the goat of Mendez, the Baphomet god of the Knights Templar.
He said, essentially, if Jesus Christ is what the sun looks like in the house of Pisces, and Moses is what the sun looks like in the house of Ares, Baphomet is what the sun looks like in the house of Aquarius.
And he gets very descriptive of this.
He says its religion is transgenderism.
It likes climate change activism.
But he says that the god is very bloodthirsty and violent.
And what makes this very interesting is he gives this god...
Baphomet, a number, and it's based on Hebrew gematria, and its number is 77. And it comes out of the formation of two Jewish letters that form the word he-goat or she-goat.
It's Ein and Zion.
One has a value of 7, the other has a value of 70 for 77. This is...
Go ahead.
Not to cut you off, isn't...
Is Einstein part of the Kabbalah?
Well, yeah.
This whole thing – it's Hebrew letters is what it is.
They're Hebrew letters.
But when you get into Kabbalah and it ties into Gematria, that's part of Kabbalah is the assignment of numbers to letters.
That's how you get ordinal values, Pythagorean reductions, things like that.
But then also, if you read Crowley and you look at it, the one thing he gets into, and this is in the Book of Lies in Libra 418, is he talks about this number 42, and he says, this is the grand number of the curse.
This is your kill number, and it's the number 42, and he assigns it this name.
It seems to be an elemental.
He calls it the Dark Mother, is what he calls this thing.
And as I was looking at this, you would constantly see these two entities, this 42 and 77, walk hand in hand.
They always are around each other.
And it makes sense because the way I saw it was these acts of violence that were going on and this death that was occurring.
It was like 77 was identified itself as the new sun god, but it was also killing.
And it was like it had to use this number 42 to kill, had to kind of use this.
Dark mother entity.
I describe it in the book that I'm writing.
42 is sort of the dark force, the dark killing force behind 77. What makes this so fascinating is those two numbers, 77 and 42, in Crowley's Gematria, are literally the Wizard of Oz.
That is astounding.
The number 77, Ein in Zion, is pronounced Oz, O-Z, Oz.
And he calls Baphomet Oz, O-Z.
He said this is the name of the new sun god.
42, the dark mother, is the rainbow.
And of course, the Wizard of Oz, most recognizable part of it, is over the rainbow.
And the reason why 42 associates with the rainbow is human beings on Earth can only perceive rainbows at 42 degree angles.
They don't exist otherwise.
If you see a rainbow, you're at 42 degrees.
So at this point in time, I've really started sitting back and scratching my head and saying to myself, what the hell is going on here?
Because I was under the impression that this was some sort of Crowley manifestation, which I still think it is.
But I thought to myself, you know, why is it that whenever I'm looking at these tragedies, there's always these little latent Wizard of Oz references going on.
I can give you some examples of it.
And what I was led to believe was, I have all the books here on Crowley.
I have all the books by Crowley, and I have all the books about Crowley.
I mean, Israel Rigardi, Churchden, Lachman.
A.E. Wade.
Yeah, the A.E. Wade books, Kenneth Grant, the Crowley books, 777.
John Dee, I'm sure you've got his books.
Yeah, yeah, but the autobiography of Crowley, what is it?
Confessions, 777, Book of Lies, Libra 418.
The reason I say all that is there is no mention anywhere of Crowley having anything to do with the Wizard of Oz.
So at this point, I was at an impasse.
I thought, well, wait a minute.
I'm seeing all these Crowley numbers.
Fine. But now I'm also seeing, you know, there will always be buried in here this little Wizard of Oz reference.
How is that turning up here?
The only thing I could come up with is...
If you, you know, I thought there has to be some sort of, you know, and it's why are these Crowley numbers turning up with all this blood and violence?
And the only thing I could come up with was there must have been some sort of Native American curse put down on Baum.
And the reason I say that is because L. Frank Baum, who wrote The Wizard of Oz stories, called for the, after the Battle of Wounded Knee, called for the genocide of Native Americans.
I believe...
I cannot prove this, but I believe that some sort of Native American skinwalker or group of skinwalkers, if there is such a thing, put down some sort of killing curse on Baum and his family.
But for reasons which I do not know, this curse remained inactive, and it did not go after Baum and his family.
For some reason, this curse remains dormant, and it doesn't turn up until The Wizard of Oz goes into production in 38, 39. That's when this curse starts to kick in.
It's doing two things.
It is using violence and death and gore to both designate this new sun god, Baphomet, whose number is 77, to let us know that the sun is now going into Aquarius.
But in doing so, it's also using the Wizard of Oz, and this is the balm aspect, to identify itself.
Other Crowley numbers appear outside of 77 and 42. Like I said, you'll see the number 418 pop up here and there.
There's another demon that Crowley associates with 42, known as Corazon.
His number is 333.
When you study this, you will occasionally see a daisy chain of threes popping up.
That's this demon.
The number 9, the number 11 play into Crowley's Kubala.
So I started really looking at this.
It was astounding to me, starting in 1938-39 with the production of Wizard of Oz moving forward, that so many tragedies, so many deaths, so many assassinations, these numbers were turning up,
but then buried in there.
And you'll find it.
If it's not there, it's not part of it.
There was always this little latent Wizard of Oz reference in there that was always sort of mocking you.
I felt like this thing was like laughing at you.
You know, I always kind of felt like when I discovered, I felt like I was staring at a demon laughing back at me.
It was very macabre.
Shivers down my spine.
That's strange.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, and like I said, if you'd like some examples of this, I can certainly get into it.
One of the things that people have asked me about is, is this the curse of the Kennedy family?
Yes, it is.
And is this why the Wizard of Oz...
It was jinxed.
You know, the production of it, the filming of it was jinxed.
I mean, Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch, her face was burned off.
Her stunt double, Betty Danko, she almost lost a leg.
You have a munchkin who probably hung himself.
It turned Judy Garland into a dope fiend.
Buddy Epson, who was the original Tin Man, got aluminum powder in his lungs and it nearly killed him.
He had to be replaced with Jack Haley.
So, you know, this was, in my opinion, you know, where the Wizard of Oz, this is where all the problems start was when this thing goes, you know, into production.
I'll point out, I got to pull up my document here because this is Cinema Symbolism 4 I'm looking at right now because I cannot commit all this to memory.
But let me just give you some examples here.
So, for example, we just take the Wizard of Oz.
The Wizard of Oz, actually, the name, the Wizard of Oz, I just want to give you this real fast.
No worries, no worries.
Well, here's some strange numbers.
Let me say this to you, and I'll go back to Crowley's Gematria.
Crowley creates this whole numerological system for this new age of Horus, this new age of Baphomet.
Age of, the Aeon of Horus, the Age of Aquarius.
And he says, he flips things on its head, where he says, in the Bible and in Islam, seven is the high holy number.
He now changes that.
He said seven is the demonic number.
Seventy-seven is the goat of Mendes.
And if you want to be really evil, seven-seventy-seven is the quipola.
That's the satanic forces of the Kubala marshaled.
I've heard it pronounced different ways.
The quillipof.
This is seven-seven-seven.
This is the...
Diabolical forces of the Kubala, you know, unified.
The Wizard of Oz had a budget of $2,777,000.
That's interesting.
And the book, the seminal, the definitive book on The Wizard of Oz, The Making of the Wizard of Oz by Al Jean Harmetz was published in 1977.
The title, The Wizard of Oz...
The Wizard of Oz has a sum of 77 if you use a Pythagorean reduction.
If you don't know what that is, that's a form of Kubala where, you know, there's four ways of generating these numbers.
You have the ordinal value, which is A is 1, B is 2, Y is 25, Z is 26. That's ordinal.
Reverse ordinal is that backwards, where A is 26, B is 25, Z is 1, Y is 2. Then you get into the Pythagorean reduced value where if you take the letters of the alphabet, A through I. A is 1,
B is 2. It's when you get to the letter J where things change because J is the 10th letter of the alphabet.
So J no longer becomes 10. J is back to 1 because it's 1 plus 0. So K, which is the 11th letter of the alphabet, is now 2. Before it's 11 under ordinal, now it's 2. So that's Pythagorean reduction.
And reverse Pythagorean reduction is that only backwards.
So reverse Pythagorean reduction is A. B is 8 because it's 26, 2 plus 6. B is 7, 2 plus 5, 25. Z would be 1 and Y would be 2. So that's reverse Pythagorean.
So just so we're all clear on that, I want people to know how I'm generating these numbers.
Yeah, I was going to ask you how that works.
It's important to know that.
That's how these numbers get generated.
But if you look at just the name, The Wizard of Oz, has a sum of 77 using Pythagorean reductions.
So right off the bat, we have the number 77 with this.
Let me just go back real fast.
This is really an interesting one.
The Wizard of Oz, let me see here.
Yeah, The Wizard of Oz began filming on October 13, 1938, and ended on March 16, 1939.
That's 154 days.
154 is 77 times 2. And 154 days is exactly 42% of the Gregorian solar calendar.
So here we have these killing numbers turning up right off the get-go.
Is all of that coincidental?
Is there a power making these things happen?
Is it people behind these coincidences?
No, this is a supernatural force that I believe is behind this.
I've been asked that question before.
For example, when you get into the Kennedy assassination, where in my opinion, you clearly had humans.
You know, like the CIA, you know, and maybe even with Princess Diana, SAS, possibly involved in their deaths.
You know, how is it that these inner workings, these dark conspiracies, yet you have these supernatural numbers manifesting?
I believe these numbers manifest supernaturally.
I do not believe human beings.
I mean, I don't care who you are.
You cannot encode numbers like this.
The point I would say is, though, is if you want to get to a group like the CIA and they're planning the Kennedy assassination, yet these numbers are popping up.
In that world, you're back to the world of Freemasonry because then you're into the philosophies of Anton Mesmer with animal magnetism where there are supernatural forces guiding humankind to do things that they're not even aware of.
But I believe these numbers, my opinion is that these numbers are supernatural and I don't think that...
Human beings can encode numbers like this.
Let me just pull this back up here.
I just got to jump around real fast.
This is so interesting how numbers have these powers, you know?
Like, how do these numbers emanate power and energy and create things to happen?
Well, what they're doing...
No, I can answer that.
What these numbers are doing is they're designating, they're identifying this new sun god who wants to be worshipped.
And it wants...
You know, it's proper.
I mean, for lack of a better word.
And every time one of these tragedies happens, these numbers pop up.
And it's this thing saying, you know, hey, you know, I'm here.
You know, worship me, essentially.
Yeah. The thing that I would say is, in analyzing this, is the goat of Mendez's number, this new sun god's number, 77, this thing sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's the 42 that hides.
That thing...
Doesn't like to be spotted.
That thing, you know, keeps quiet.
That thing hides in the shadows, as it were.
The Dark Mother Elemental, this Dark Mother Entity, doesn't like to be discovered.
I can tell you that because her number is much, much, much harder to find.
The Goat of Mendes, Oz, that thing stands out like a sore thumb.
I mean, that thing has no problem being noticed.
And that's also representative as Baphomet, right?
Yeah, this is Baphomet, right?
This is the Alathus Levy, Goat of Mendes.
You know, which Crowley says is the new sun god of the new Aeon.
So, I mean, just for example, so if we go to the World Trade Center, you know, we just get into the number seven.
Yeah, let's get into 9-11 because this is always interesting, no matter what.
Yeah, well, right.
The – so we have –
I should point out also, The Wizard of Oz has a sum of 77 using Pythagorean production.
Interestingly, it first aired on television in November 1956 on CBS from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m., 9-11 was the first time it aired on television.
At the World Trade Center, so for example, if we get into some of these numbers, I mean, again, this just can't be a coincidence.
That morning at the World Trade Center, 343 FDNY firefighters died battling the fires in the World Trade Center.
343 is 7 cubed.
That's 7 times 7 times 7. Up until 9-11, up until that day, the total number of fire department, of FDNY firemen who lost their lives on active duty in New York City was 777.
Yeah, that is just insane.
The time between the first flight, 11...
Striking the North Tower was 8.46 a.m.
The final flight, 93, crashed at Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10.03 a.m.
That's 77 minutes later.
Let's see here.
That would have to have been human intervention, right?
What's that?
To have that time separation.
That would have to have been the human intervention because I believe, man, those planes were flown into the towers with remote control.
That's what I have been led to.
Through all my research, that's what I believe in now.
And so the 77 minutes, that had to have been humans.
I don't think so.
Because, I mean, the number just turns up in too many ways.
I mean, it's just, I mean, you know, it just can't be generated this way.
Flight 93 plowed into a recliped stripe mine going 490 knots, that's 7 times 70. At 563 miles an hour, that's 5 plus 6 plus 3 equals 14. That's 7 doubled, 77. Seven minutes after that,
the upper floors of the...
The Pentagon collapsed.
Here's a good one.
If you're familiar with Crowley, the magic word of the new Aeon is Abra Hadabra, and that has a value of 418.
Flight 11 departed Logan International Airport on runway 4R.
R is the 18th letter of the alphabet.
That's 418, Abra Hadabra.
The terrorist attack that morning killed 2,977 people.
Where this really becomes strange is at the Pentagon.
And of course, this isn't any surprise because this is, you know, the goat of Mendez is a god of war, a god of violence.
So you have, I mean, on flight, on 9-11, let me see here, you have flight 93, I mean, excuse me, flight 77. Departs Dulles International Airport at 8.20 a.m.
Dulles International Airport is on the 77th meridian.
It crashes into the Pentagon, which is also on the 77th meridian.
It departs Dulles at 8.20.
It crashes into the Pentagon at 9.37.
This is Flight 77. It's airborne for exactly 77 minutes.
And it crashes into the Pentagon 577 minutes into the day.
The Pentagon has seven floors and is 77 feet tall.
And the plane that was dispatched...
The plane that was dispatched, the military plane that was dispatched after this attack from whatever it was, I forget the name of it, the one outside of Washington, was Venus 77. And Venus in antiquity is depicted as a seven-pointed star,
so a 777 was the flight, the military flight, the looking-glass flight.
What was interesting is...
And we get into the Wizard of Oz illusions.
You know, again, you can't have all this without mention of the Wizard of Oz.
Remember, this is a curse put down against L. Frank Baum.
So when Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, it killed exactly on the spot 124 federal employees.
Mirrors the 124 midgets or little people MGM hired to play the Munchkins in The Wizard of Oz.
You will always have with this stuff, with these tragedies, these little Wizard of Oz citations buried in here somewhere.
And that's what makes it so interesting to look at.
So those are just some of the – there's a lot more.
Those are some of the numbers around 9-11.
If you go back in time, you will find these same numbers pervading things like the Murrah Building, Waco.
Princess Diana, these numbers are all over her.
This thing kills celebrities.
I mean, imagine it goes after people as well, people that we don't even know about.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I can't look these people up online.
I'm sure there's people who have died that this thing has gone after that we'll never know about.
I can do the celebrities because they're part of the public record, and I can see them much more easily.
But I have no doubt that this thing hasn't killed people that we may never know about.
But like I said, the one thing that's always present with this are these numbers 77 and 42. This is designating the new sun god for this new age.
And you'll find numbers like 333 popping up here and there.
You'll find this number 418 popping up here and there.
But the one constant is...
In all these tragedies, you must have some sort of latent reference to the Wizard of Oz in there.
That always has to be there.
All right, so jump into Princess Diana.
I'm interested in hearing about that.
Okay, let me fast forward here a little bit.
I just got to pop this up.
There's a couple with her.
She has some really unique ones.
Let me see here.
I recently saw...
Some pictures of that night when she died.
The car she got into originally had a different license plate than the car that was crashed in the tunnel.
That's explainable because what they did was the car that she got into went around the corner and she got out of it and got into another Mercedes.
And that was to throw off the paparazzi.
It didn't work.
But that was one of them.
The Princess Diana's funeral.
On September 6, 1997 was 384 minutes in length.
And that signifies...
That signalized the 384-page count of the annotated Wizard of Oz, which was first published by Clarkson and Potter in 1973.
So her 384-minute funeral parallels the 380 pages from the annotated Wizard of Oz.
And on September 6, 2010, was the Wizard of Oz sing-along Blu-ray edition was released in the United Kingdom.
So her funeral anticipates the Wizard of Oz sing-along edition.
And Blu-ray released in the United Kingdom 13 years later.
But let's get into her death a little bit.
So here we have...
The one thing that's always interesting with Diana is, of course, her name is the ultimate lunar goddess.
It's Diana, of course, Artemis or Hecate.
And whenever you're looking at Diana, you always want to look up at the moon because her life runs parallel with the moon.
So, for example, the Kralian number for the moon...
In his new Gematria, it's the number 81. And Diana was married in 1981.
And as part of her gift engagement present, she was given an 81 Ford Escort Ghia.
And its license plate, believe it or not, is WEV 297W, which has a...
Value of 370, which according to Crowley is the spiritual aspect of the goat of Mendez.
The term Ford Escot Ghia, that's G-H-I-A, has a sum of 77 using reverse Pythagorean reduction.
So again, right off the bat, we're just staring down these Crowleyan numbers.
Let's see here.
Again, we're dealing with moon symbolism.
Princess Diana was born on July 1, 1961.
That's the sign of cancer, which is governed by the moon.
And then we go ahead to her wedding, which was on...
Let's see here.
Yeah, her wedding was at the end of, I believe, July or June of 1981, when she was married.
Right before her wedding, 14 days before she wed, which is 14, which is 7 plus 7, which is 77, was a lunar eclipse on July 17th.
And two days after she was married, there was a solar eclipse, and this is a bad omen.
This foretells her nuptials are no good.
They're going to end a divorce.
And they did 787 weeks later in August 1996.
So again, 7-7.
And what's interesting with this is the one thing that this curse likes to do is overlap.
So you'll find references to coronavirus in Princess Diana's death.
You'll find references to coronavirus in 9-11.
You'll find references to JFK with coronavirus.
The Diana marriage ending in 877 weeks is a reference, is a citation to the Kennedy assassination.
Lee Harvey Oswald died 787 minutes into the day on November 24th, 1963.
So again, this thing loves to overlap.
You will constantly see little...
Things foretelling other events.
How about Jack Ruby?
Right, and of course, well, Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald, Oswald, Oswald, Oswald, the goat.
Right, what's Oswald?
He's the scapegoat, right?
I mean, he's the patsy.
Oswald, the goat of Mendes, who of course is done in by the ruby slippers, Jack Ruby.
That's your Wizard of Oz citation.
Diana... Diana's son, first son William, the heir to the English throne, was born on June 21st.
If you don't know, that's the summer solstice.
That's the sign in Cancer, again, ruled by the moon.
And on that night, there was a solar eclipse.
This is when the moon passes between the earth and the sun.
And that was a bad omen.
Yeah, that's no good.
That's a bad omen.
And what's interesting is that solar eclipse occurred in the house of the moon.
The moon was on that day in the house of Gemini, the twins.
Again, twin towers.
I think it's something like that.
Her second son, Harry, was born a few days after a full moon on September 15, 1984.
That date has a value of 77, using Pythagorean reduction.
And let's see here, we'll go along.
On the night, and again, I haven't even gotten into some of the other stuff.
On the night that Diana died, on August 31, 1997, the moon was a waning crescent.
That means it's disappearing.
That means it's dying.
And it was in the sign of Leo the Lion.
And if you don't know, that rules the heart.
And of course, that's what it did in Diana.
She died of heart complications from the car crash.
It tore her upper left pulmonary vein in Parcadium.
So, you know, the moon is always, you know, whatever the moon is doing, Diana's reflecting it here on Earth.
Interestingly, the night after she died, this was on September 1st, there was another solar eclipse.
And this...
Let's see here.
And that heralds...
Let's see here.
Oh, and here's another one.
I'll skip over that because I didn't get into that right now.
The one thing that's interesting with William is he was the first...
He was the first Prince of Wales born to a Princess of Princess and Wales in 77 years.
So there's your number 77 with him.
How does that happen, man?
And then we'll get into some of the Crowley symbolism with Diana because it's not only those numbers.
I mean, you'll find that his gematria and what he predicts, you know, it's all over these people.
So are William and Harry cursed?
Are they looking at something bad happening?
I mean, can I use this to predict things out?
I don't know.
I can tell you just looking back.
If you get into Crowley's, this is really an interesting one.
In the Book of Lies, he has a ritual called the Star Sapphire.
And this is a banishing ritual of the hexagram.
And this is chapter 36. And of course, 36 is six squared.
Diana's engagement ring was an 18 carat sapphire stone surrounded by 14 diamonds.
And again, 14 diamonds is seven double, 77. But chapter 36. Diana's age, that's the age she died at, was 36 years old.
And that's chapter 36. It's called the Star Sapphire.
So not only does that chapter foretell her engagement ring, but also her age at her death.
It's fascinating.
Diana wore necklaces fashioned by a designer named Stephen Bernhard, who worked at a place in the West End called 77 Diamonds.
And she also sported throughout her life emeralds, rings, diamonds, chokers, of course, bringing forth Emerald City.
Interestingly... 77 people today think that her most iconic fashion was the revenge dress.
This was that black sheer number she wore the night that Charles admitted having an extramarital affair with Carmela Parker Bowles.
She wore the revenge dress on June 29, 1994.
This syncs with the June 29th, 1939 appearance of Judy Garland on a radio show called Maxwell Huff Coffee Time, where she performed the song Over the Rainbow Live for the very first time.
And interestingly, she wore the dress on June 29th, 1994.
That's 42 days after the death of former first lady Jackie Kenyonasas, who is an equally legendary fashion icon, just like Diana.
Yeah. The the the the let's see.
She wore the dress three days before her 33rd birthday.
And again, here's your 333.
This is the demon Corazon being summoned without anyone knowing it.
And interestingly...
The date of June 29th, this is fascinating.
And again, this is some overlap here for you.
The date of June 29th, 1994, has a reverse ordinal value of 110.
110 is the number of floors in the World Trade Center.
But worst of all, this predicts the 110 minutes exactly that she lingered at the accident scene in the ambulance before going to the Paris hospital.
So that's fascinating to me.
This is another interesting one.
The other iconic dress she wore, this is known as the Travolta dress.
This is the one she wore in 1985 when she danced with John Travolta at the White House.
She wore this on the night of November 9th, 1985.
That date has an ordinal sum of 154.
That's 77 times 2. November 9th is 9-11 backward.
And interestingly, the time span between November 9th, 1985 and Diana's death on August 31st, Verse 1997 is 11 years and 9 months, which is 9-11 backwards again.
This is where this really gets spooky, though, is the funeral of her is held.
Oh, here, we'll get into this a little bit.
Let me see here.
The car she was driving in, and you mentioned that it was swapped out, the death car was a Mercedes-Benz S280.
That car has a value, an ordinal sum of 418.
That's abrahadabra.
That's the word of the new age.
The car's drunk chauffeur, Henry Paul, his name has a total of 49. That's seven squared, using reverse Pythagorean reduction.
And the bodyguard...
Trevor Reese Jones, this is the guy who survived the accident, was born in West Germany, but at age 10, he moved with his family to where else?
Oster Wesley.
Oster Wesley on the west border.
O-Z Westerly.
Spelled O-S-W-S-T-R-Y.
Osterly, which of course is Oz Westry, the goat of Mendes on the border.
Diana, when she died with her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed, Dodi was 42 years old, by the way.
That's the dark mother's number.
Yeah, so that's no good.
If you remember this, the thing...
The tunnel that she died in, right above it, is the Flame della Libertà.
This is the giant replica of the flame that the Statue of Liberty holds in New York Harbor.
And the Flame of Liberty became her makeshift memorial.
Interestingly... In 2018, that whole area was renamed Place Diana in her memory.
Right across the street from it, from Place Diana, is a restaurant known as La Grande Corona.
And again, this is your coronavirus reference.
Her funeral at Westminster Abbey, you'll remember, was Elton John performed the song Candle in the Wind, 1997.
And this was also retitled Goodbye, English Rose.
Candle in the Wind, the original, you ready for this, is from the seventh studio album of his called What Else But Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road.
What the hell?
Here's your Wizard of Oz reference.
And Goodbye Yellow Brick Road has a length just shy of 77 minutes and was released seven months almost to the day after Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon hit record stores.
And of course, that syncs with The Wizard of Oz.
Candle in the Wind.
Are you ready for this one?
This, of course, is the song to Marilyn Monroe.
And it follows, if you look at the album, Candle in the Wind follows a song, this one I couldn't believe, called Funeral for a Friend, Love Lies Bleeding, which syncs with Diana because the pinball wizard, Elton John,
was her best friend, and he sang at her memorial service, Funeral for a Friend, and it was her funeral because her...
She bled all over the backseat of the Mercedes-Benz, you know, enduring this horrible end.
And of course...
Did he know?
Did he know these things?
Who's that?
Well, this...
Elton John.
No, I mean, I think what I'm...
This is crazy.
I mean, I don't think a human being can do any of this.
I think this is...
No, no.
I think a supernatural force is manipulating all this.
And again, why is it doing this?
It wants to be recognized.
If you remember, Candle in the Wind is a song to Marilyn Monroe.
So it begs the question, does Marilyn Monroe have anything in common with Princess Diana?
Yes. They both died at the age of 36 and they both died in the month of August.
So they're linked there.
Let's see here.
Well, I will skip over that because I need some more background information.
I'd have to give a lot more background on that.
But that's some of the Princess Diana stuff that is just, you know, crowding in numbers 77, 42, and how these numbers are just killing people.
And again, I will stress to you and the listeners that...
I've been looking at this thing now a little shy of a year.
There's a couple things I can tell you about this curse.
It's very vicious.
It's active.
It's not going away.
It's still kinetic.
It's still out there.
And it's very sardonic and cruel.
I mean, it likes laughing at death and terror.
And the more suffering, the more children that are murdered, the more this thing is made happy.
It's very cruel.
It's a very...
You know, sort of mocking satanic force.
It's very, very dark.
When I examine this stuff and I see these numbers so many times, literally, I feel like I'm staring at a demon laughing at me.
That's what it feels like.
So is this connected to Malachianism?
The worship of Moloch?
No, I don't think it's connected to that.
I think what it's connected to, it's connected to the sun has left the house of Pisces where it's been for the last 2,000, 2,100 years.
It's now into Aquarius.
The sun god of Aquarius, if Crowley is to believe, then I...
I believe he should be, is this sun god, Baphomet.
Its number is 77. It's bloodthirsty.
It likes death.
It likes gore.
It's assisted by this dark mother, Elemental, whose number is 42. And it kills using the Wizard of Oz as its hallmarker.
And it's assisted sometimes by a demon named Corazon.
The Dweller of the Abyss is what this thing is known as.
And occasionally, sometimes these other Crowleyan numbers pop up, such as 418 and 93. We haven't even gotten into the stuff with 93. If the listeners aren't aware, the number 93 is do what thou wilt should be the whole of the law.
That's the mantra of the new age.
And you will see that number pop up repeatedly with this stuff.
I mean, if you go back to 9-11, of course, you had Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville.
Flight 93 was delayed exactly 42 minutes on the runway, the Dark Mother.
Flight 77 struck the Pentagon.
It came in at a 42-degree angle.
The coordinates of the World Trade Center, I'd have to pull these up, but it was 42 degrees, 42 degrees north or something like that.
So the one thing I will say is these numbers always have to be there.
If they're not there, it's not this.
But again, you will find these numbers.
I mean, there was some of the stuff with Diana.
I got into some of the stuff with 9-11.
You'll find it with Columbine.
You will find it with the Kennedy assassination.
I mean, you'll find it with World War II.
I mean, The Wizard of Oz is released on August 25th, 1939.
Seven days later, World War II starts.
I mean, there's your number seven.
I mean, what was the car that Hitler drove around in?
I mean, it was a Mercedes-Benz 770.
Hitler was born on April 20th.
April is the fourth month, 20, 42. 4, 2 plus 0, 42. There's your dark mother.
These numbers are...
I mean, I was on another show and the guy said, well, is this a process of elimination with these numbers?
I said, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
These numbers, you know, especially 77, scream off the page at you.
I mean, they just are all over the damn place.
You know, let me get into one of the ones that's amazing is the Murrah Building.
This was the Oklahoma City bombing.
And let me just give you a couple examples out of this.
One of the things that was interesting with the Murrah building was they nailed Terry Nichols because he had aluminum powder in his house.
And this is the same crap that got in Buddy Ebsen's lungs when he played the Tin Man that nearly killed him.
If you don't know, the reason that Terry Nichols had aluminum powder is because it increases in explosions potency by 77%.
The Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was built in 1977.
It sits off of Route 77 in Oklahoma City.
It was blown to smithereens.
It has nine stories, by the way, and was blown to smithereens at 9.02 a.m.
9 plus 2 is 11. 9 plus 2, 11. 9 floors, 11. 9-11.
You always have foreshadowing with these things.
9-11, by the way, happened 77 months after the Murrah building blew up.
The 42 was hidden in this thing because people on the lower floors were drowning because of the air conditioning water, which was set at exactly 42 degrees, by the way.
That's weird.
Yeah, the...
Oh, the guy who...
The...
Blaster McVeigh escaped in a 1977 Ford Mercury, and he was arrested 77 minutes after the explosion.
Mercury, by the way, is the destroying element.
It's the destroying agent.
You know, it's Mercury.
Mercury is always the destroyer.
You will find that occasionally.
The guy who lit up the McDonald's in the early 1980s drove a black mercury.
Mercury is alchemical.
That's the destroying agent.
So that's some of the stuff with the...
There's more with this.
Where can I find this?
With the Murrah building.
Oh, the date that it blew up.
April 19th, 1995, that has a value of 77 using Pythagorean reverse reduction.
So the date that it blew up has a value of 77. Then we have, oh, the guy, and here's another one with this.
It was financed.
Terry Nichols, one of the conspirators, stole a cachet of 77 guns from a man named Roger Moore to help finance the attack.
Nichols was born on April 1st, 1955.
That has an ordinal value of 77. And his attorney was disbarred at age 77 or something.
I can't remember what that was.
And the other thing, there was another thing with this that was screwy.
After the Murrah report, the Oklahoma Department of Civil Emergency released a 77-page report on the terror incident.
77 people were treated at hospitals for lacerations because of Oklahoma City.
One of the other ones is interesting.
I'll get off of Murrah Building real quick, and I'll go back to 9-11, and this one's fascinating.
And again, I always talk about these little latent Wizard of Oz references.
When the first, the New York City police code for massive accident, for the worst case scenario of all hands on deck is code 1060.
That's what went out after Flight 11 hit the North Towers.
They sent out alarm or code 1060.
That's basically like a five alarm fire, major deaths, all hands on deck.
1060 if you're not aware.
I thought that was crazy.
That is crazy.
Those are just some examples of this.
This is literally the subject, at least part of the subject of my new book called Cinema Symbolism 4. I've been working on this well over the last year.
The one thing that happened to me with this was...
I was writing it, and as I'm doing it, I will find other examples, but I kind of had to put my foot down.
I thought, you know, this will never end.
So what I decided to do was, we're going to do Cinema Symbolism 4. That will be the next book out.
This gets all into this, I call it the Rainbow Oz Killing Curse.
I can't think of anything else to call this thing.
But with this...
With this, I was looking at it and I decided to do a book called Cinema Symbolism Oz, which is just going to be all the Wizard of Oz stuff.
We're going to get into this curse.
We're going to get into a lot more examples of this curse.
We're going to get into the Gnostic and Kabbalistic themes in the movie.
We're certainly going to delve into the Pink Floyd material with the dark side of the moon.
So I'm going to do a whole book just on the Wizard of Oz.
People just want that alone.
But in Cinema Symbolism 4, there will be a great portion of this stuff with this book.
Wizard of Oz killing curse is what I call it.
Man, that killing curse.
There was another killing curse.
I'm trying to find it.
The same situation.
I've just never seen anything like this with these numbers popping up.
Oh, The Shining, I believe, also has a Native American killing curse on it, right?
Because the Overlook Hotel was built on an Indian burial ground.
Here's what I can tell you about The Shining.
Well, The Shining is fiction.
That's just fiction in the movie.
If you watch that, this is something I've delved into in my other books, is there's a whole interplay going on between Western European intrusion and the Native Americans.
That's going on inside.
This curse, though, takes out Stanley Kubrick.
He falls victim to it.
There's a lot of celebrities that do.
It killed Stanley Kubrick.
It kills Kobe Bryant.
It kills Michael Jackson.
It killed Carrie Fisher.
It killed her mother, Debbie Reynolds.
They all fell victim to this.
Interestingly, and like I said, this thing loves overlap.
Kubrick invokes the number 42 repeatedly in...
I don't think he did it.
He did it intentionally.
It's a reference.
There's a lot of biblical imagery in that movie.
And I think he's doing it.
I think he was using the number 42 to summon the 42-year reign of the, or whatever it is, the 42 weeks or months or day, I can't remember, reign of the Antichrist in Revelation.
I don't think Kubrick knew it was a kill number.
If he did, I can't imagine he would use it.
Interestingly, his last movie came out on July 16th, 1999.
July 16th is, of course, what's that?
Eyes Wide Shut?
Yeah, it's Eyes Wide Shut, but it's 77. July 16th is the seventh month.
16 is one plus seven.
His final movie comes out on 77. If you don't know, July 16th, 1999, the same day that Eyes Wide Shut comes out is the same day JFK Jr. died in the airplane crash off of Martha's Vineyard.
Again, you'll find overlap with this thing.
You'll find all sorts of overlap with this thing.
One of the things that motivated Terry Nichols and McVeigh to blow up one of the Wizard of Oz references was Ruby Ridge, the Ruby Slippers, the Ruby Ridge standoff.
Interesting. I was going to ask you about that.
How does that tie in?
Yeah, that's another one.
I mean, you will always find these little Wizard of Oz citations going on with this stuff.
And there's one of them with the Murrah Building was spawned by Ruby Ridge.
Another one was the Waco incidents.
The Waco complex is off Route 77. And Waco has a value of 42. I can't remember.
I think ordinal value.
And the Waco Ranch was on a 77-acre property.
It just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
So crazy.
Well, I think it does make sense.
Well, it does.
If you look at it through a man-made lens, I don't think it's humanly possible because I don't think humans can encode.
Stuff like that.
It's a supernatural event going on where this sun god, this new sun god is trying to draw attention to itself.
And like I said, it's using this 42 kill number.
To, you know, to do people in.
I mean, like, you know, I mean, we can go into the Kennedy.
I mean, I have to pull it up, but I mean, the name, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald, I remember, I can't remember if it's ordinal, has a value of, I think it's reverse Pythagorean, has a value of 77. I mean, Kennedy is killed, you know,
the book depository is seven floors.
Oswald shoots him on the floor with seven windows.
The license plate on Kennedy's car is GG.
G is the seventh letter in the alphabet, 77. And he's killed approaching Route 77 in Dallas.
That's the Stemmons Freeway.
So there's all your stuff.
And interestingly with Kennedy, one of the things that's really bizarre with him is right before he dies...
This company called EduCard puts out a 42-card set depicting his life.
42 cards.
And then right after his death, Topps releases a set of cards depicting his life that's 77 cards.
I mean, it's amazing.
What? I just don't get it.
I mean, I've always felt that there's something supernatural in this world that's...
Doing something beyond our comprehension and this is it.
This is exactly what it is.
I'd have to pull it up, but if you go into Columbine, the shooting spree lasted...
Oh, one other thing I'll say with...
I'll leave the Murrah building on this.
Some people think it's a conspiracy that Nichols and...
McVeigh were given a...
What is it?
The Mother of All Bombs.
I can't remember what it's called.
It's a thermite bomb or something like that.
The theory is that it was a fertilizer bomb that did all the damage.
People have looked at it and said that's not strong enough.
That this was a...
I can't remember what it's called.
It's the nickname, the Mother of All Bombs.
Hang on.
Let me pull it up.
I can find it real fast.
It has a...
Massive Ordnance Air Blast?
Moab? Yeah, the Moab.
That's the mother of all bombs, but it's called something else.
It's a thermite bomb or something like that.
At any rate, I'll leave it alone.
But at any rate, what's interesting with that bomb, that mother of all bombs, is one of the key components of it that distributes the electrical charge that causes the detonation to be so deadly is what's known as the bleed resistor 777 of all things.
What? Well, like if you go to Columbine, I mean, this is, you know, again, this is when, you know, when I started looking at this is when you start saying, wait a minute, you know, there's something to this.
Columbine occurs on April 20th.
Two, 20th is two plus zero.
April is the fourth month, 42. And the Columbine shooting lasted exactly 49 minutes, which is seven squared.
That's seven times seven.
If you look at some of the more recent ones, This was the guy who shot up the black church in Atlanta.
He peeled off exactly 77 shots in the Atlanta church.
This was the African-American church.
If you go to Sandy Hook, Adam Lanza, the shooter, when he was in Sandy Hook, peeled off exactly 154 shots.
That's 77 times 2. I mean, that's uncanny.
And you mentioned that McDonald's Ysidro Massacre shooting?
Yes, that's it.
Yeah, about James Huberty.
I did an episode on James Huberty a while back, and that lasted 77 minutes.
77 minutes, exactly.
That lasted 77 minutes, and that's the exact time that the other one lasted.
The guy that just happened.
Oh, the Uvaldi one?
Yeah. Uvaldi.
The Uvaldi shooting was 77 minutes.
Yeah, that's 77 minutes also.
This thing also killed Robin Williams.
He's another person who fell victim to this.
Explain that one.
He has some really bad...
I haven't thought about Robin Williams in quite some time.
Because he allegedly hung himself, right?
Yeah, he hung himself, right.
Yeah, he's got real bad numbers with him.
He was born on July 21st, 1951.
That has a reverse ordinal sum of 77. He won one Oscar.
Over his 37-year career, this was for Good Will Hunting at the 70th Academy Awards.
Again, the rainbow is the Dark Mother, and this is how he became famous, was wearing rainbow-colored suspenders on Mork and Mindy, which was his claim to fame.
The title of the show, Mork and Mindy, has a value of 49 using Pythagorean reduction.
That's 7 times 7. And William's most memorable character is arguably Mrs. Doubtfire, which was released in 1993.
That was the only movie that he made that year.
He was 42 years old.
And what's interesting about that is it was translated.
It spawned a 1997 Indian Hindu language pastiche called Chachi 420, of all things.
42 or 20. He plays a character in Death to Smoochie known as Rainbow Randolph Smiley.
The rainbow again.
Interestingly, he guest starred on Sesame Street seven times with his last appearance being in season 42, episode 24. 24 is 42 backward.
Can't get away from it.
No, you can't.
In San Francisco, between Highway 101 and Spencer Drive and Alexandria Avenue is the Robin Williams Tunnel, which has a rainbow painted over it.
And after he died, there was a documentary on Amazon release called Robin's Wish, which runs 77 minutes.
He was in a movie.
This is a movie that was his, I call this his gallows pole.
No one remembers this thing.
It's a movie called Jack that came out in 1996.
It's a Francis Ford Coppola film.
And in it, he plays a kid in it who ages 10 times the normal rate.
So at 10, he...
He appears to look 40. It's kind of a remake of Big.
But at any rate, what makes this interesting is his mother is played by Diane Lane, and the movie starts at a costume party where she is dressed as the Wicked Witch of the East wearing the ruby slippers.
This is the one who gets crushed by the house.
And she's pregnant.
And the movie opens.
She's at a party.
And the date of the party, believe it or not, is September 11th, 1986.
So the movie opens on 9-11.
And the mother is dressed as the Wicked Witch of the East at a Bow Arts Ball.
This is Karen Powell, played by Diane Lane.
Yeah, she's the Wicked Witch of the East.
And she gives birth to Jack.
The husband is dressed as the Tin Woodman.
This is...
Interestingly, this movie features some very dark 9-11 imagery in it.
Interestingly, they go to a treehouse at one point that looks like a mini skyscraper.
Believe it or not, it has a truncated pyramid on top with the all-seeing eye.
When they get up into the pyramid, they start...
Bleeding like goats.
They start impersonating goats.
One of them starts mentioning that Robin Williams is going to grow a goatee, so they start bleeding like goats.
I say invoking Baphomet.
He invites his tutor up to this top level of this skyscraper-like treehouse, but the weight's too much, so it comes crashing down on its own footprint.
Which is strange.
I'd recommend watching the movie.
9-11 Symbolic.
Yeah, I'd recommend.
Yeah, I remember it coming out, but I know I've watched it.
Back in the day.
Like, I need to rewatch all these.
And then at the very end of the movie, this is right when Robin Williams appears like a 70-year-old man.
He gives the school – he's the valedictorian at the high school, and he's wearing red shoes, red gleaming shoes.
This is hearkening back to the ruby slippers worn by the mother at the very beginning.
And interestingly, after Robin Williams died, the memorial issue of Rolling Stone magazine is September 11, 2014 of all dates.
So you get overlap with this thing.
You know, you'll find a reference to one thing and something referencing something else.
So, you know, there's the Wizard of Oz Death Hex.
And again, this is going to be a big portion of my next book.
And to be honest with you, I'm just scratching the surface with some of these examples.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I get much more detail into it in the movie.
Excuse me, in the book.
But, you know, that's it.
How about Vanilla Sky and the 9-11 connections there?
Yeah, that's one thing that's really interesting that I like talking about is how movies can be prophetic and seemingly predict the future.
And Vanilla Sky is a great example of this.
This is a movie that came out.
This is part of this Gnostic slate that hit theaters.
The turn of the millennium.
And the movie was filmed before 9-11.
And the very end of it is a very poignant scene where Tom Cruise's character named David Ames ascends this massive skyscraper overlooking New York City.
It's in New York City and it dwarfs the Twin Towers.
And to make a long story short, in order to wake up from this dream reality that he's trapped in, he has to leap off the building.
And he does.
And he jumps off the building and he kind of does this in front of the World Trade Center and it immediately draws to mind the people falling off the building on that day.
When this happened, when this came out, the director of the movie was urged to remove this from the movie and he didn't.
He didn't cave in.
I'm glad he didn't because it's very powerful scenery.
Like I said, the movie actually came out after 9-11.
It comes out in December of 2001, but the movie was filmed beforehand, and it's definitely one of these prophetic movies for 9-11.
I think when he's at the top of the tower, he's talking to Penelope Cruz's character, who's named Sophia, which is obviously knowledge, wisdom.
Yeah, that's right.
Right, that's right.
That's a Gnostic reference.
Sophia is the divine goddess of wisdom, and she kind of helps him on his journey to getting out of this dream-like state that he's in.
And she's the one that basically says you can jump and get out of the dream, or you can stay in it, or something like that, if I remember correctly.
Correct. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's a pretty interesting movie.
I always liked that one, and I always thought that was a good film.
Again, very poignant at the end.
Kind of sad, kind of depressing.
It's really interesting because at the beginning of the movie, it opens up.
It's like they're flying really low in New York City, almost like they're going to crash into a building.
And then the camera kind of switches scene.
The camera zooms down toward the Dakota building, which obviously is famous in Rosemary's Babies, where John Lennon was murdered.
So those little connections are always interesting to you.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know...
There's a lot going on with the Beatles and Charles Manson and John Lennon.
And again, this Crowley number thing turns up big time with that stuff as well.
But we'll save that for another show.
For sure.
And we are running out of time here.
So I think let's wrap it up with...
I wanted to ask you about how directors...
I guess occult casting.
So how directors will use certain characters in their movies based off characters they played in other movies to kind of subconsciously convey messages.
Right, right, absolutely.
This is something, it's more, I started out calling, or called casting, it's a term that I don't mind using.
It's more of an art of memory trick is the better term for it.
What filmmakers will do is they will bring an actor in who played a part that somewhat relates to the new movie they're going to be in.
And the whole idea behind it is to transfer...
What I can best describe as the cinematic baggage from that movie and invest it in the new movie, it creates sort of this pop-cultural valance.
It's the best way I can describe it.
When I first started stumbling upon this, I thought it was somewhat rare.
It is not.
It's much more pervasive than I originally thought.
Examples include Max von Cito appearing in the Star Wars movie, The Force Awakens.
His appearance in that is clearly designed to conjure the movie Dune and the Exorcist.
The character that Anthony Zerbe plays in The Matrix Reloaded, or it's the second one, I think it's the Reloaded, that's designed to evoke his character from Matthias from the Omega Man.
There are other examples that are escaping me right now, but it's the idea that by using a certain actor or even actress...
You're subconsciously bringing in the vibe or the vibration that they generated from an earlier movie and transplanting it into the new work of art.
It works quite effectively.
For sure.
It's very powerful and when you pick up on it, it's a very effective device at these filmmakers' disposal.
What about David Lynch?
How about David Lynch?
Yeah. I know you've been doing a lot of study into him.
Right. Well, we'll just wrap up on this.
I mean, he is heavy, heavy lifting.
I've analyzed a lot of his works.
I mean, you can't do Lynch in one.
You have to break him up.
I mean, you could just do a whole book on Lynch by himself.
I did a lot of Lynch at Cinema Symbolism 2. Did a lot in 3 also.
The one thing that's unique about Lynch is in his movies, in his work, there is always a Wizard of Oz citation.
I mean, he is another one of these guys who's kind of obsessed with that movie, and some of his references are very, very overt.
Some of them are very, very covert.
We get into a caught casting, what you were just asking me.
We can turn to Lynch for an example of this.
So, for example, an overt example is, an obvious example is if you watch the movie, what's the one with Nicolas Cage and Laura Dern?
It's escaping me.
I always forget the name of that one.
Leaving Las Vegas?
No, no, no.
It's Wild at Heart.
In Wild at Heart, the mother, Laura Dern's mother...
Turns up as the Wicked Witch of the West at one point.
So that's kind of obvious.
In Mulholland Drive, the fast food joint at the beginning is Winkie's.
That's the name of the guards that guard the Wicked Witch or the Winkie's.
And one of the very subtle ones that's hard to find, and this ties into casting, is in Lost Highway.
You'll have a cameo appearance by Richard Pryor.
I think it was Richard Pryor's last movie, if you don't know.
Richard Pryor actually played the Wizard of Oz in 1978's The Wiz, which was a black exploitation remake of The Wizard of Oz.
But by putting Pryor in, that's The Wizard of Oz, technically, in Lost Highway.
So Lynch always, you know, maybe not always, but most of the time you always find some sort of little Wizard of Oz reference in his films as well.
In Twin Peaks, too?
Yeah, I'd have to go back and look, but I'm sure there's something in Twin Peaks.
I took on Twin Peaks in Cinema Symbolism 3. That's very alchemical.
That's very, very Madame Blavatsky-based Theosophy.
Crowley picks up on this as well, the whole thing with the black and white lodges that come straight out of the world of Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy.
Very, very interesting.
Very interesting.
That took a while to do.
I mean, TV shows are always harder to do because you have to usually watch all the episodes.
Luckily for Twin Peaks, there's only like two years plus Fire Walk with me.
But I mean, I couldn't even do The Simpsons.
I mean, you can focus on certain episodes of The Simpsons.
But yeah, I mean, I couldn't do 30 whatever it's been years of The Simpsons.
It's extremely dynamic, and so it's ever-growing.
There are some episodes, especially the one that predicts 9-11, that you have to mention, but I couldn't get into 30 years of The Simpsons.
Because Matt Groening is a deep, deep Freemason, right?
He's up there.
He knows things before things happen.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I don't think he's a Freemason, though.
Not to my knowledge.
Okay. He's something.
He's in some group somewhere.
I'd have to go look.
I mean, he might be, but I'd have to go look.
The amount of 9-11 imagery in the episodes way prior to 9-11 happening is insane.
It's all throughout his episodes.
Yeah, there's the one with the book with 9-11 on it.
That's interesting.
Yeah, that's the main one.
He holds up the magazine and 9-11.
Good stuff.
Well, this has been very interesting, and I mean, this stuff is, it goes deep, and it keeps me enthralled.
I love this stuff.
I love it.
And I know the listeners are going to enjoy this.
It's my pleasure to be here, and when Cinema Symbolism 4 comes out, we'll do it again.
Absolutely. Thank you.
And if you want, go ahead and tell the listeners your website and where they can find you and look more into you.
Yeah, absolutely.
All the books are out.
They're all on the major internet, you know.
Well, you know, websites, retailers, Amazon, Barnes& Noble, Books A Million.
You know, go to my website.
It's my name.
My name is Robert W. Sullivan IV.
My website is just that, robertwsullivaniv.com, Roman numeral I, Roman numeral V, all lowercase, all connected, robertwsullivaniv.com.
There are links there to buy the books.
Information about me, information about upcoming shows I'm doing.
Shows such as this will be posted there in the blog or in the media and press page.
Again, information about me, links to buy the books.
It's a very easy site to navigate.
www.robertwsullivaniv.com Perfect.
Yes, and when Book 4 comes out, we'll definitely have it back on and we'll just get an update.
