CONTACT US Email: paranaughtica@gmail.comTwitter: @paranaughtica Facebook: The Paranaughtica PodcastNancy Thames, a former Department of Defense employee and a lifelong contactee of extraterrestrial beings, has emerged as a significant voice in the realm of alien disclosure and spiritual awakening. Her journey, marked by personal struggles, transformed profoundly through her continuous extraterrestrial encounters. These experiences, initially suppressed, were eventually embraced as Nancy began to understand their purpose in her life and for humanity. She has come to the decisive conclusion: it is Time for Disclosure....help us out with a donation on Spotify. Or head to our FB and buy us a coffee on Ko-Fi, or make a small donation to PayPal. Anything is greatly appreciated and helps! Thank you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Out of the air is unfit to breathe, and our phone is unfit to breathe.
We sit watching our TVs while some local newscasts take no feet today.
We act as if we're homicides are 65 on price.
I think that's the way it's supposed to be.
We don't think the man, worse than that.
It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, crazy.
We don't want anymore.
We see it now.
We're exploring the world.
Crazy. It's getting smaller.
All we say is please, please, please surrender.
I don't even know what you're doing.
I'm telling you, my TV, my steel belt, my radio, my voice acting.
Just leave it alone.
Well, I'm not clear.
I want you to get mad.
I want you to protest.
I don't want you to ride.
I don't want you to ride to your congressman.
I'm the president.
No one has done you to ride.
It's always the first time to get mad.
I'm a human being.
God damn it.
My life has been.
And welcome everyone to another episode of the Paranautic Podcast.
I'm your host, Coop.
And it is the one-year market today.
52 weeks straight of shows.
There is going to be a bit of a change happening.
The co-host, Scott, he's going to be taking an exit from the show.
Unfortunately, he's got some things he needs to take care of.
Maybe beyond the future, I don't know.
But today, we're just going to be talking to Nancy Thames.
Is it Thames?
Thames? Thames.
Tams. Tams?
Yeah. Okay.
We'll introduce her and then we'll get into talking about what it is that she wants to talk about, which is going to be aliens, disclosure, maybe a little spirituality and whatnot, things like that.
So, Nancy, if you would, go ahead and introduce yourself.
Okay. My name is Nancy Tams.
am a lifelong contactee with positive extraterrestrials and positive interdimensional beings which are extraterrestrials as well but they're not the same really as just regular extraterrestrials because
the extraterrestrials are kind of a lower wind meaning they are in our solar system interdimensionals are from different places
Okay. And you were a former DoD employee.
You grew up in Tennessee.
You lived in Australia, Hawaii, New Zealand, all throughout the southeastern United States.
Out of all those places, which were more active?
They were all active.
This has been happening all my life.
I first recall it happening when I was two or three years old.
And at that time, it was more or less playful visits.
At that age, I wasn't scared.
Brain had not built up boundaries or anything, so it was just a playful time.
So as I got older, though, the visitations changed and experiences changed to being more to where I was careful, and that was because I got older and being introduced to the social media, TV and movies and books and things that I built a barrier around myself.
Thinking that I became scared.
And when I would discuss these things or mention these things to my family, they would laugh and just say, boy, you have some really fancy dreams or something of this nature.
So it was pretty much dismissed.
Of course.
And I learned that it was just not a topic that people really like to talk about.
And then my parents said, you should never talk about this at school, you know, anywhere with your families.
Oh, man.
Family get-togethers, this is not a topic that people want to hear about.
So, you know, I realized that this is not something that happens to everybody, and that was very hard.
So I went from the cheerful, playful to being scared, and as I got older and junior high and adult, I became more fearful because I didn't understand the things that were happening to me, and I had a better recollection of what was going on.
You know, I knew this wasn't a normal thing.
So, you know, I went from being really scared and sometimes trying not to go to sleep because I, you know, didn't want to visit or sometimes I would be scared to get up and go to the bathroom.
So, you know, it has its different stages and it takes you a long time to understand what it is all about.
So, as I got older...
And started realizing that this is something that's not going to stop.
It was an ongoing, continuous thing.
I decided to start asking questions.
And I would meditate and say, I need information to understand why is this happening to me?
What does this mean?
What is the purpose of this?
Et cetera.
So when I was in my 20s, you know, that's what I did.
And I meditated and asked.
Came to get me, and usually it's three greys, and the greys that would come to get me, one is a female, and she has been bonded with me all my life, since birth probably, and she is always who carries me, does the legwork of back and forth from.
Wherever I am in the world or wherever room or if I'm on a vacation or it doesn't matter where, she and two escorts that were greys would always be the ones to come and transport me.
And they are a grey hybrid off of the tall greys and the interdimensionals in the positive ETs.
They designed this type of grey because The interdimensionals and extraterrestrials have a problem with the density on Earth, so they created this hybrid-type gray that's about four feet tall, and they do the legwork, and they just do the back and forth.
So once I would get on craft, I really wouldn't see these grays anymore until a return home.
So it basically, when they would come to get me, I would feel their presence, and then...
I would keep my eyes closed, and then I would feel the covers being pulled down, and then I would feel like this scan from head to toe, toe to head.
The closest thing I can compare it to is like a vibrational scan back and forth.
And over a little period of time of that, then I would feel my body start to raise up off the bed.
And at this point...
I would always look around, open my eyes and look, and I would realize, I looked down at the bed and I realized this is physically happening to me.
And then I realized that I'm holding hands with a female gray.
And for a lot of times, if I looked at her, I denied that I looked at her.
Or I wouldn't try not to look at her.
But it was always her.
It was always a female gray.
And I don't know her name.
I just consider her.
Like an extraterrestrial mother or an extraterrestrial guide or a escort.
And she's always been around me.
So anyway, so forever, you know, and we would go up like through the roof or through a door, through a window, and I never understood how in the world is this happening.
I did not understand the science of it.
So as I've gotten older and I've asked for more conscious time, They explained to me that We live in a 3D world, which we all know, and that we all have a frequency.
We have a vibrational frequency, but our frequency is not the same as theirs.
They are at a higher frequency.
So the vibration back and forth on me, scanning me, was raising my vibrational frequency to the same of theirs.
That way, I could go up through the ceiling or through a door.
So I never understood that until later on when I just...
I consciously ask for more time and more things to be answered because the times that I was still very, very afraid, what happens is when you are afraid, extraterrestrials and even the interdimensionals,
they don't have all the emotions that human beings have.
We're very emotional beings.
No other beings in the universe are as emotional as us.
Whatever we feel, which is fear, you know, or anxiety or things of this nature, they would feel it tenfold.
And they do not like this feeling.
It's not a feeling they understand.
But being telepathic, everything we feel, they feel, but only it's a lot worse.
They feel it.
So since they do not understand this feeling and they don't really know how to handle it.
Basically, they would tap me out.
When I say tap me out, I don't mean knock me out.
I mean, they would touch me or my forehead or something of this nature and put me in a trance-like state where I'm fully functional, but I'm like...
In a trance and I'm at a level of control, you know, my feelings and all those things are kind of anesthetized.
So I'm functional, but I'm not feeling all the fears and anxiety.
So that way they could do their job and then I could be functional and whatever they were coming to get me for, whether it was to learn something or to do, just check on me or whatever, made it a lot easier.
I never understood that.
So as I did get older, I asked for more conscious time when I realized that they were, you know, not, they were just making it easy for me and for them just to tap me out, so to speak.
So now as I'm older and, you know, I want more information, you know, I want to understand why me.
So again, this happened when I was in my 30s and I had become a mother.
And I witnessed my two sons being taken for the first time.
So when I saw that happen, I was very aware of the presence, but this was not the same group of grays that come for me.
These were different grays.
These grays were about three foot, and they were in robes and had high collars.
And when I raised up, one came to me.
And my children were in, we were on a vacation in the Key West at a Marriott hotel on the beach.
And the children were in the other bed.
My ex-husband and I were in the bed closest to the outside.
But anyway, what they did was they came and pressed me on the shoulder and pressed me down back to the bed and told me telepathically, this is not about you.
Lay back down.
Knowing, I guess they started sensing my anxiety about it being my children, they put me in a sleep paralysis.
So I wasn't able to speak.
I wasn't able to move.
But my eyes were wide open and I saw them take my children for the first time.
So that changed everything for me.
Now, really quick question.
Were your children aware?
Were your children awake when they were being taken?
They were asleep when they came.
And so they had me in a sleep paralysis, but then I eventually went to sleep.
And the next morning, we got up and we all went to breakfast.
And I asked at the breakfast table, did anybody have any interesting dreams or anything they'd like to talk about?
And they said no.
And they were just, so they did not remember it at all, have no recollection of it.
Now I understand why they did that, and I'm thankful that I did get to see it.
It could have easily have happened without my knowledge.
It could have been done, but they wanted me to know that this was not just me.
It was my whole family.
So I'm proud now that I understand, and there was no harm done.
I understand, you know, that there was a reason behind it.
So, and it sounds, it was very scary.
A lot of times, and I did not understand, and nobody really would.
But until I finally realized that this is not just about me, and it's happening to my children, I started saying, I need to know why I'm in.
So basically, they came to get me and took me in front of a group of what they called elders.
And the elders were beings of different dimensions and of different...
And so when I went before them, I asked them, why is this happening to me?
And they said, you made an agreement before you became a human being.
You made an agreement to come here and be here at this time.
This is a pivotal moment for humanity, and you made a choice to be here.
And I was like, well, I do not, I don't remember any of this.
And they were like, and so they showed me the vision, and I saw myself as a...
I was an etheric type being, and I was sitting and waiting, and they showed me where they walked up to me and said, okay, it's time for you to come with us, and then I saw myself as an etheric being moving into the human experience.
So that kind of started making a little more sense, but it was still very hard to grasp.
You don't have anybody to talk to about these things.
You know, you hear all these other horror stories and things, and it's very confusing.
Absolutely. What I was going to ask is, well, throughout, you know, the entertainment industry, whatever, we watch movies, you know, Fire in the Sky, these sorts of movies about alien contact and whatnot.
We often hear with people in your situation where you have a contact throughout the years from being a child up until your adult ages.
We hear oftentimes that it's like, oh man, you have DNA in you, alien DNA.
Are you a hybrid?
Was your mother impregnated by an alien and then you were just this infant?
The aliens came back to check on you throughout the years and just kind of lifting you up to where you are now?
Yeah. What they have shown me and what I've come to realize is that they would always come to me Throughout my life, I've had many struggles as a human being, just like most human beings.
I've been through two divorces and other things that have gone on that's not the perfect world.
None of us want to happen to us, but things happen.
So whenever I would be at an all-time low and very unhappy, they would come to me and tell me in a visit.
If it ever got to be too much for me, I could always come home.
And to be honest with you, I always heard them say this, and they said this more than one time, but it didn't resonate with me because this is my home.
This is all I know.
This is my home.
I am a mother.
You know, this is my home.
So now I realize I was an extraterrestrial and made an agreement to do the human experience to assist.
The extraterrestrial beings here.
Basically, I incarnated here to help people to understand what's happening to us and what we are experiencing and what disclosure means and what the true information is and the agendas and things of this nature.
Okay. Are the elders...
I guess, are the elders similar to the Nordics?
You have to understand that most of our terminology and our descriptions of extraterrestrials are really not...
There's a lot of misinformation.
For sure.
So, for one, there is many different races within each category.
So, there are over 60-something...
Different races of greys.
There's many different races of reptilians.
There's many different races of Nordics.
Many different races of tall whites.
Many different races of Arturians.
And it goes on and on.
So, and not all of them, I call them positive or negative.
I don't want to use the word demonic because none of them are demonic.
When I say they're positive, that means that they wish to see humanity, human beings, flourish and become, well, galactic beings of the universe.
And they want to see us to ascend and to do better.
Where on the lower end are the negative type extraterrestrials, which would fall in one race, not all races.
Reptilians. Reptilians.
And, you know, and I don't really, I know that the...
Anunnaki are considered a lower race, but I don't really know where they fit into all this.
So I won't go there because I do not know everything and I don't pretend to know everything.
But I do know that there is a race of greys and some of the reptilians that do not wish for mankind to flourish.
And they have worked with different fractions of our government and different elite groups that are multi...
Billionaires that control our money, our banks, the oil industry, pharmaceutical companies, all these things.
And all these things, we are played like a little puppet.
We are manipulated and dumbed down.
We have toxins in our water and our air.
Extraterrestrials would not eat our food because it has so many toxins in it.
Interdimensionals either.
They will not touch it.
So we have been manipulated and they did it.
All this was done in tension and it's been going on for way over a hundred years throughout the history of humanity.
You know, we have our separation of religions.
We have our separation of language.
All these different things have happened to keep humankind The goal for humanity and the way we should be is we should all be connected in one, unity.
We are all one.
We are all connected and we are all one.
What those lower fractions or negative energies of extraterrestrials and human beings have on us separated.
They want to keep us in a drama.
They want to inflict on our news media all these things of horrible, bad news.
Keep us in an unstable society.
Would that be human beings doing that, or would that be these alien racists?
It's a combination of an elite group that want to be the manipulators and control the world to keep us dumbed down.
They cannot make money off a healthy race of human beings.
They cannot make money off an intellectual, smart race of beings.
So their goal is to keep us dumbed down.
So that's why our pineal gland has shrunk.
But we have all these hidden things in our DNA.
Our pineal gland was designed to be used, which would make us all a bit telepathic or telepathic.
But all these things that...
Our upbringing in society has dumbed us all down.
But we are going through an ascension process right now.
And that's why all of these positive extraterrestrials and interdimensionals are here waiting and watching us because we are becoming more intelligent.
And we are realizing that our own ways of war and thinking, and we are realizing that we have been manipulated and played, and that all these technologies have been set on because they wanted to make money off of us,
out of their greed.
So we are waking up.
And as we wake up, we will realize that we don't have...
We will not need these old ways, okay?
So when that happens, and they are fighting to keep us under a leash, so to speak, and that's why you see the wars.
It's just like every time we started with explosion, they've got to do something else to take your focus, you know, to keep us off the original plan.
They always want to keep us divided, okay?
Because once we realize...
We become intelligent enough to realize what's happening to us, and we unite as one.
They cannot touch us.
They cannot manipulate us anymore.
So the main thing is, the way I understand it, is that these lower rim of extraterrestrials that are working with these cabal or reptilians...
All these are working with different fractions of governments and elitist controllers because humanity, once we go through our extension and we learn, we have the potential of becoming inter-dimensional galactic beings.
And these lower-rim extraterrestrials, they cannot do this.
Once we realize our intelligence and we evolve, they have nothing.
They have nobody they can control.
So they're doing everything tooth and nail to keep us from evolving.
But we are, and we're going to.
And the positive and good extraterrestrials and interdimensionals are here, just waiting for us to accept their presence.
People like me to wake up who they've watched, they've been with me all my life and groomed me into this.
And now, although I was very scared at times when I didn't understand this, but now I do understand and I understand everything in my life that has happened, good or bad.
It all had a reason and the purpose was for me to be who I am today, to help and assist humanity to understand that we are Becoming more intelligent.
Things in our life need to change.
And they are here to assist.
They are not here to take over.
They're not here to do anything major.
And we are here on free will.
So they're limited to the things that they can do for us.
But they are here as long as we are receptive.
And except that we're not alone in the universe, for one, and we're not the big dog around the dog food bowl.
We are not it.
And that they are millions of years ahead of us in evolution and technology.
And they've seen other races of beings go through the same process.
And they don't want us to see us wipe ourselves out because we are at the pivotal moment.
Peak moment to where our technology is so great, and we also know that extraterrestrials and interdimensionals are not gods.
We don't mistake them for angels and gods anymore.
We understand that.
But we have technology and power, and now we're stepping out into space, and they're talking about keeping this fear thing going.
See, they have you all feared.
When they try to raise money to make weapons of mass destruction and put in space, you know, of course, you know, they're going to get more people if they think that, oh, we've got something bad that's going to happen to us.
We better put the money into that.
That's not the case.
That kind of technology we are playing with is not only detrimental to us as a species.
And this is the main thing.
The positive extraterrestrials and interdimensionals.
We are a very small fraction of what is so beautiful and that they love about our planet.
Number one, they love our planet and consider Earth as a living being.
She, he, whatever you want to call it, is a living being with a pulse.
And they consider her a living being.
All of the trees, the plants, the flowers, everything are...
Our oceans, our waters, all the animals and everything are living beings.
They consider all these things living beings.
And because of us living in our 3D world, our eyesight, we are not able to see things, but our science already knows and has been telling us that they know that plants and trees communicate within each other.
And we already are learning these things, and our scientists, it may not be mainstream out, but as we evolve, we will start seeing these things.
So it's just a matter of, none of these things will happen overnight, but the main thing is that we have to learn we are not alone, and they are here to assist, not fix.
They can't come down here and fix and change anything.
With this type of nuclear technology, it would wipe out not only us, but all of the beautiful things on Earth that mean a lot to the extraterrestrial and our planet.
And there's lots of innocent bystanders.
There's a lot of indigenous people still on our planet, and they have no earthly idea about any of this technology, why we're even having a war or anything about it.
They're not going to let all of these things be endangered because of certain fractions of governments that cannot get along.
So that's kind of where that stands.
So I'll let you ask me a question.
Well, there's a lot.
There was a lot there.
So when you were a child, when these things first started happening, you first started realizing these things, what sorts of things would you do with these aliens?
They would...
Fly me around.
We would fly me around.
And they would say, look down.
These are all your cities.
And they would tell me I was a little princess or something like that.
You think that's a past life then?
You think that's a past life they're telling you?
I really don't know.
It could be.
I don't know.
I know that from my experiences, and their technology is nothing like anything we have here.
And they can change their image.
In other words, they could come to see me.
Anywhere. In any form?
Exactly. They can take an image from my mind that they feel that I feel comfortable with and come as that person.
But for me, the person that they came as was somebody that I knew was not standing in the room with me.
There was just no way.
So it was comfortable enough that I didn't have the anxiety and fear.
And I was able to...
I didn't consciously have a conversation back before where I probably wouldn't have been able to have done if they had just appeared in their original image.
So I know that they could, and I also know that they could be invisible.
I've been places where they can be invisible and they can move things around in front of you to let you know that they are there.
And I've actually seen them.
I know that their craft can do the same thing.
And by the way, their craft.
Is a living being.
Their craft has a consciousness.
And what happens there is that their pilot in his DNA, most of their extraterrestrials and individuals, when they are born, they are born as a purpose in life.
They already have their purpose in life, whether it be a doctor or an explorer or a scientist or a pilot.
So a pilot, his consciousness and the craft, Consciousness, unite, and just by sheer, no gears or movements, no pushing buttons, just from mind to mind,
they move and go to wherever they want to go.
I've heard this a lot, and I was listening to you on Quantum Guide Show with Karen Holton, I believe.
Great show.
It was a great show with you guys.
You guys were making comments about how Inside the spaceship, and we hear this a lot, but on the outside it just looks like a small whatever, small ship or whatever.
When you get inside, it's just like it turns into something massive.
That is true.
When you see it, it may just look like a regular size craft.
And the ones that I've seen are the basic design, shiny, silver, reflective looking, and there's no nothing.
There's no symbols or anything.
It's just a shiny, you know, disk.
And when you walk in, it's like it becomes like this whole huge area.
And I also know that they could be in the room there with you right now and you would not know.
Or they could be in the room here with me right now and we would not know because we don't see it because we're in 3D.
They know how to go between dimensions.
And so there's so much that goes on around us that we don't see.
But that does not mean it's not there or that it's not happening.
Everywhere you see, everybody's talking about consciousness, vibrational frequency.
These things are real.
These are the key to us communicating and understanding.
Extraterrestrial interdimensional technology.
Our physics does not apply to them.
They do not use fuels.
Time is a man-made thing.
There is no such thing as time to them.
There's no such thing as currency to them.
There's a lot of things that are just man-made.
And also, I would like to tell you that they all have souls.
They all have souls.
Even the...
That's all man-made stuff.
Creator source is the highest source and he is the creator of everything and everything is infinite.
Oh, yeah.
and you know and it's it's a scary thing to try to present to the world but they are here and they are wanting to help us because we are at a point to where we could do some damage you know there's been civilizations long
before the egyptians and and the mayans and all these that had the pyramids right there was civilizations before those those are just the one
There's so much misinformation.
All of our history books probably need to be rewritten.
Oh yeah, I agree.
I agree 100%.
And there's so many things that we've been lied to.
So this is a pivotal moment for humanity and humankind.
Nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of humanity.
And one of the things that they've stressed to me and the things that I feel is important is, okay, when we do finally get disclosure.
Then what?
Two different things.
Government disclosure and interdimensional and terrestrial disclosure, that's two different things, and they're not going to necessarily coincide.
They do their own thing.
They don't wait around on government, and that's totally different.
So they're here, and they're addressing humanity.
I think they've tried the government route before.
I think so, yeah.
So I read some Zachariah Sitchin.
I'm sure you're familiar with his work.
Oh, absolutely.
So I read, I don't know if it was 12th Planet or the one right after it, but he talked about how he interpreted the ancient Sumerian texts.
And, well, aside from his books, in the Middle East, I forget exactly where, like in Iraq, I believe, but there is this huge area.
And researchers have found that it's completely...
It seems like there was an atomic bomb.
The sand was melted to little glass beads.
Absolutely. It's still radioactive.
And so in his interpretations, he says at the Anunnaki, way back in the day, we were just measly little humans without really a brain or whatever.
And the Anunnaki came down and were like, well, we need to use this race, or they designed us as a race to mine for gold to help their planet's atmosphere.
How much truth is there to that?
Well, I'd say they left a lot of evidence, and I would say it is true.
My experience is I can't say.
I see lots of different beings when I go to craft.
There could be some Anunnaki there, but I don't ask, who are you?
What race are you?
I'm in awe, and I'm there to learn.
I'm not there to question everything.
And I've had my disclosure, you know, for me.
I know.
But I do know that there were civilizations long before us, and they used their...
Technology in the wrong way and wipe themselves out.
So that's the thing.
We're now at this moment of where it could happen to us, but they're not going to let us destroy our planet and all the things on it.
I do know that.
Now, I also know that the first extraterrestrials that we meet here face to face on Earth may not be the positive extraterrestrials.
And if that's the case, why that would happen, I don't know.
But I do know that disclosure is going to happen and we are going to get to see them.
I don't know the timelines involved and all the variables.
I think a lot of it has to do with us, you know, because we are here on free will.
So, you know, they can't, they can't.
Change certain things.
Certain things have to happen on their own naturally.
But I do know that if the negative race were to appear and try to falsely misinform us, that they will come quickly behind to address and straighten those issues out.
Damage control?
Yes. Yes.
And that may not even happen.
I don't know.
But I just know that...
There are timelines to these things, but there's always these little different variables that could happen.
Do you think Mars was Earth before Earth?
I know that there was a civilization there.
There's a lot of things I don't know.
I'll be honest with you.
I don't know everything.
Pretty much, I just know my experiences.
And I know a lot about the human experience and things, you know.
I know a lot, but because I am a mother and a grandmother and my life is so important here, there's a lot of things I probably don't want to know right now because I have so much.
I'm so happy being who I am that, you know, I don't want to.
And they would never put me in any jeopardy, you know.
It would not be good if I did know too much, I would think.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
It wouldn't be in my best interest.
So everything they do is for the benefit of me or whoever else.
And I'm sure there's other people like me.
Whether they have woke up and decided to communicate and help humanity, I don't know.
But I know that there's others like me.
I know that all the positive races had incarnates to come here and be here at this time for this very reason because of all the misinformation and lies that we've been told.
Yeah, I've heard different countries have met with different species and have made different agreements with each of them.
Like Russia's got their agreements with this species of gray or whatever.
And our government has a relationship with this species of whatever.
And so each of these powerful countries have their own deals with these different species.
So some are good, some are bad.
Now, are these different species also fighting amongst themselves and using us as sort of pawns?
I don't remember the exact year, but I'm going to say around 2020, 2021, something like that.
It was kind of made known that the government's always known.
You know, there's some things in our timelines that happen and they are going to happen.
The government has always known that an interdimensional and positive extraterrestrial race was going to be here.
And they are here.
They've come into our solar system.
They are here.
And they're just basically waiting for us.
And they're also, like, putting, probably spreading good love and goodness.
Throughout, like during our dream states or something of this nature, and they're here to help us.
And I know that once they put the word out they were coming, and all these big ships started getting in our solar system, that from the ISS, and I've seen video footage of this, and it's where you could see once these...
Lower Rim extraterrestrials that are not on the good side of humanity.
They basically told them to get the heck out of Dodge.
And so there was feeds from the ISIS showing all these craft were leaving Earth, and that was a lot of the negative.
Negative extraterrestrials were leaving, but there are still some here.
I think I saw that video where it kind of shows the Earth below and all these little craft are coming out and kind of going down.
Yeah. I've seen that video.
That's what that was.
When I was younger, I would do nothing but research aliens.
Whatever I could find, give it to me.
I want to learn.
And you'd be a good person for me to ask this, or you can check it out and maybe let me know.
But ever since...
When is all these people that talk, say an abducted person and me, a contactee, that's two different types, that's different beings and different scenario altogether.
So, but when is the last, all these abductions have been from the past?
Ever since the good guys, the positive extraterrestrials and interdimensionals got here.
All those type things, except for I have heard of some cattle mutilations, and I can address that for you, too.
First of all, the greys, they do not eat or digest food like we do.
The greys, they take a paste of nutrients, and they rub it on their skin, and they absorb it, and they also secrete it.
That's how they get rid of it.
Excess, whatever, secreted through the skin.
So I watched, there's this one contactee, and he said that he was in the woods, this was in like the 60s or 70s, or maybe even 80s, but he saw a craft sitting there, just floating above the ground, and so he like went up to it, and he felt a lot of vibration, and then it was a lot of radiation.
He got burned all over his body, but they also gave him, like he met the alien beings, whatever, and they gave him little wafers, little wafers that they ate for food.
That's probably like what they called in the Bible days, manna.
Right. Which would be, there's not an equivalent food to that.
It's more like a nutrient wafer or a nutrient substance.
And for the humanoids and things, they do eat, but they don't eat as often as we do.
Their metabolisms are quite different.
They don't consume.
We enjoy our food.
Yeah, it tastes good.
We enjoy our food, and we eat three times a day.
It's purely, for them, it's nutrient.
It's nutrients.
It's a sustenance.
And they might maybe eat one or two times, three times a week, and that would be it.
Now, do they defecate?
Do they poop like human beings?
I've never asked them that.
But they would have to get rid of something, you know, some way.
So I would have to say yes.
You'd think they'd have to get rid of it.
They would have to.
And they'd probably use it for something very good, too.
Like we just use it as waste or whatever.
They're probably reusing it for something special.
Grow plant?
I don't know.
Yeah. Fertilizer.
Alien poop.
That'd be the best fertilizer.
It would be a lot more pure than ours because we have so many.
So many chemicals.
We eat all the fast food, all these things that are not good for us, and we know they're not, but we do it anyway, so I don't know.
Yeah, I know.
But back to what I was saying, though, the last time, I don't think there is any recent abductions anymore.
And I've met Travis Walton.
Oh, you did?
And Travis Walton...
And he signed his book for me and all this stuff, and I met and talked with him.
And, you know, when it happened to him, it was very traumatic, and he didn't understand it.
But now that he's older, and he's older than I am, and he understands that they saved his life, is what he told me.
He happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and walked up on the craft when they were.
Whatever they were doing, they were either recharging or they were fixing something, and he was exposed to radiation.
And if they had left him, he would have died.
So rather than let him die, they took him on craft and then worked on him and got him well.
Now, as far as the reasons to why they didn't take him back to where they got him, for one, nobody would have known that he would have been back there.
And second of all, at least it wasn't, they put him in a public area where he could, you know, reach out and find family.
And he was in such a hysterical manner, you know, I would imagine he was very confused and stuff.
And, you know, they just did the best they could.
But he'll tell you now, and if you look and read his actual biography, the movie was over-dramatized.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
And it was designed to make money.
And, you know, and of course, he was a young man when this all happened.
And so now, being who he is and understanding it,
Yeah, that movie was full of fear.
I think that was just another propaganda film to instill fear in us.
They were doing everything to make it hard so that when the good guys get here, somebody didn't want us to, they wanted us to be scared, you know, basically be scared and not, you know,
cozy up to the idea.
But they're here and they care about us and they see us as children.
So, you know, that's the thing.
It's just like if you have children, if your child makes a mistake, unfortunately, you know, he or she has to suffer the consequences.
And that's the only way you can learn, okay?
So they have to let us make our mistakes.
They can't fix everything for us.
We have to learn.
But the unfortunate thing is that within our governments and things, we keep doing the same mistakes.
Wars are not good.
Wars help nobody.
What I've learned and what I've become a lot more spiritual person, a lot more, I have just a better understanding of things.
And for me, what I say is, if there's a war, don't take a side.
Instead, use your energy and pray for peace.
Pray for peace.
If you side with anybody, that's giving into negative energy.
And that's where we go wrong.
We have to learn to...
Find positive things in our life and to be happier human beings and we can be healthier that way.
And they can help us with these things and help us to have longer lives.
We should have better lives than we live now.
We should be living longer.
There should be no diseases.
There's cures.
Cancer. There shouldn't be cancer at all.
And these are going to be...
This is going to be a whole lot.
It's a big cookie for a lot of people to swallow because there's so many things that will surface.
And we're going to have to learn to forgive.
And a lot of these people that made a lot of these bad decisions are not alive anymore.
So we're going to have to be greater human beings and forgive and learn from these mistakes and make sure that we do not incur these type of things for our generations.
after us.
So we are stepping stones.
This is the greatest time to be alive.
This is momentous.
This is a worldwide phenomenon.
This is not about me.
This is not about anybody in particular.
It's a strange time.
It's a wonderful, it's significant.
We will go down in history.
This is a beautiful time to be alive.
We are the stepping stones for the future.
Yes. I often think that because I'm an 80s child and so I grew up in quite an interesting moment because I grew up with the beginning of the internet and my life was so much different than the generation before me.
They didn't have internet.
They didn't have a lot of computers.
I grew up starting in that generation where...
Internet and computers were now fully involved in the school system.
So I grew up in that period, and then the internet blew up in the 90s.
So I got to experience all of that.
And just a side note on that, when I was a child, on my big old IBM that was the size of a mini fridge, right?
Eight years old, just researching aliens, aliens, aliens, UFOs.
That's all I would do.
All I would do.
I was so interested in aliens since I was a child.
I was like, why?
I grew up in the middle of the woods, right?
It's a really tiny town.
We own like 80 acres and surrounded by woods, forests.
It was amazing and I would always be playing out there in the woods by myself, making forts.
Never had any situations, but I did want to mention this one time, this one night, a friend of mine, he came over to my house.
We had this deck on the outside of our house and we had set up a tent and it was night and we were just out there listening to music inside the tent.
It might have been like midnight or something.
We're listening to, I don't know, Marilyn Manson, I believe.
Something stupid, right?
And we started hearing this low hum.
It must have been 10 or 11. We started hearing this low, like...
And it just went on and on.
So we turned the music off.
Like, what is that?
And he was like, dude, I don't know, man.
So I'm like, okay, I got to get out of the tent.
I need to look up in the stars.
Because I was always looking for UFOs.
I was always looking for them.
And so this thing just started happening more and more.
So I get out of the tent and I'm looking in the sky and I don't see any stars.
I don't see anything.
It's just dark.
But you could feel it.
You could feel the, I don't know, the energy from it, the hum.
Oh, yeah.
It's just...
And we're in the middle of nowhere.
There are no houses.
There's no way it's a large bass system where people are playing music.
And what kind of music would that be anyway?
And so after, I don't know, a minute of this going on, and I'm like, okay, I'm getting kind of scared.
And so I'm like, hey, man, we should go inside.
And he's like, let's get inside right away.
So we just jumped up, ran inside.
I don't know what happened after that.
That's all I remember for that night.
That was really interesting.
Do you know anything about what that hum would have been?
Well, if you had that feeling, because that's what I try to explain to people.
In their presence, the feeling that you get, there's nothing like it on Earth that you can compare it to.
It's so intense.
It's a feeling of heavy, heavy warmth without being hot.
It's incredible.
It's almost a fork-like feeling.
But it's a feeling that you don't understand if you're supposed to like it or dislike it.
Because it's not anything that you've ever experienced.
So yeah, very well could have been.
At first it was just like, what is that?
That's cool.
Mysterious. That's got to be a UFO.
And then when I get outside, I'm looking in the sky and I don't see anything.
And it got louder and heavier.
And at that point it was like...
Alright, like you said, I don't understand this, and now I'm getting scared because nothing is telling me not to be scared.
I'm frightened.
I'm in the woods.
When your mind is faced with something and you don't understand, that's what happens.
You become frightened because our mind doesn't know how to handle a situation it's not used to.
You get scared and run.
I wish I knew what would happen after that.
This is the one that really gets me because I lost time.
I was around the same age, probably 12 or so, and I had a cousin.
Who lived literally in the middle of nowhere.
Literally in the middle of nowhere.
And he's probably a few years older than I was.
And he knew that I was super interested in aliens and UFOs and all of that.
And he's like, hey man, you should come out to my house.
And we'll just lay some sleeping bags on this little hill.
And we'll just watch the stars.
Because I swear to God, I see UFOs all of the time.
And at the time, I was like, ah, you're just puffing smoke.
I don't believe you, whatever.
You're just trying to get one on me.
Came down to like, alright, let's go.
Let's do this.
So we went up there, laid our sleeping bags on this slanting little hill.
We're probably facing, I don't know, the southeast direction or something.
And throughout the whole night, we're just pointing at stars at a movie.
You know, that's got to be a satellite.
That's got to be a satellite.
Oh, what's that star?
That's kind of weird.
Kind of went at a different angle.
And so for hours, we're doing this, just watching the stars.
I didn't even, neither of us realized this, but over time, over a period of hours, literally, one tiny little star just started getting brighter and brighter.
And it happened so slowly over a long period of time that the time came when I was like, dude, have you noticed this star?
And right as I pointed to this star, because it was a big orange orb at this point, right when I said, have you noticed this?
And pointed at it, it shot literally.
It shot down and to our right, and it must have been, it was pretty far away, but there was a tree line maybe 50 yards away from us, just one line of trees, and then there was fields behind it.
And so this orb, it shot behind that tree line, and then it came...
Out of the tree line and down, up, zigzag, down, up, down, up, down, up, really fast, about four or five times.
And then it got back to where it was originally.
And at that point, it just shot up into the sky, like super fast, just disappeared.
And then after that, like, that's where the time, I don't know anything after that.
I have no recollection of time after that.
The next thing I remember is the next day I broke my wrist.
Oh, no.
Yeah, so that experience blew my mind because it knew we were watching it.
It was aware that we were aware of it, right?
When I pointed out, have you noticed that?
And it shot behind these tree lines and zigzagged up and down and the most extreme angles and the speed of which it did it, it was just like, just mind-blowing.
Mind-blowing.
Yeah, it's not that you would typically see.
You know, it was definitely something for sure.
That's amazing.
So I just wondered about the missing time.
I don't know if we were abducted or what.
Well, a lot of times you don't remember because they put you in that state I was talking about.
And later on, you may have what I call fragmented memories, like little bits and pieces.
But it's hard to put it all together.
And they do that because they want the experience to be for you to remember it when you're ready to.
You know, at that particular time, they probably put you, if they took you, they probably put you in that kind of subdued state to where, you know, and basically, you know, you hear people saying about anal probes and all that stuff.
That is not the case.
What they do, they do exams, but they're checking on our evolution.
Our spiritual level, our DNA, our evolutionary level, you know, because they played a part in our creation.
So from time to time, they would do checkups, and probably everybody in the whole world has probably had an exam, and they probably don't remember it, or either they thought it was a dream, a crazy dream or something.
But, you know, some of us...
And I think sometimes, too, I've heard a lot of people that's had bad experiences.
They probably did.
I have no way of knowing because that's not my experience.
But if they were, I have heard of different, certain grays that work with the government and that they did abductions on people.
But those type things were for...
I don't know what their reasons behind all that is.
I've heard all kinds of different conspiracy theories or different reasons for that.
I was not involved in anything like that.
So for me, I'm a contactee.
I've never been abducted because this is something that started even before I was born and I made an agreement to come here and they've been with me my whole life.
And if it was just a reproductive thing...
You know, I had early menopause in my 40s, and they would have been done with me.
I would have been of no use, but that's not the case.
This is different.
This is a bond and a love and a relationship and an experience that has far greater meaning, you know, for humanity than any of that other stuff.
And I believe that those people had experiences.
Who am I to say?
I only know what I've experienced.
So what it sounds like to me for you, I just feel like you are a star child.
Oh, absolutely.
They want to follow you, and your children are involved, so they're following your children.
In a good way, of course.
Yes. It is a spiritual aspect to this.
It is very spiritual, and it's about for us finding who we really are, looking within and finding the real me.
I mentioned this yesterday.
I had a podcast interview from Laura.
Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of President Eisenhower, she did an interview with me yesterday.
Nice. And I told her, and I'll tell you on your podcast, and I have not even told him, but there's something called a kundalini awakening, and this happened to me.
About a year ago, and I was in the bed, and all of a sudden, I was laying there, and my body jerked straight up, and I had these electrical surges that went through me, and I would lay back down, and then it brought me back up, and it did it three times, and it was like these electrical surges.
It was scary as the devil.
It was not painful.
It did not feel good, but it was more uncontrollable, like jolts.
Wow. I didn't know what it was, but now I understand that was a Kundalini awakening.
And what that is, is where they were opening up my charkas, my soul charkas.
I was going to say, isn't Kundalini like a yoga thing or something like that?
It's a type of awakening where your charkas are opened up.
And it opens your subconscious to where you can have...
Like Charka buildup, like blockages, they call it, from past life or karmas or just, I don't know.
I do not know everything, but I do know that happened to me.
And my understanding is that this was like an awakening and opening my Charka so that I could...
More of my subconscious memories would flow into my consciousness so that I would understand these things more.
I want that to happen.
I know there's a lot of subconsciousness going on back there that I want to bring to the front.
Come on.
Come out, please.
Guess what I got for a Christmas present?
What? My son and daughter-in-law are paying for me to have hypnotic regression done.
Oh, man.
Yeah, because there's so much I still want to know.
I do not know everything.
See, that scares me.
I don't know what to think about those meditation things where they put your trances and whatnot.
I've heard mixed things about them.
Yeah. So I don't know.
I want to try one at the same time.
I don't want to open myself up to something negative.
I think you need to be able to trust whoever it is.
Yeah, it's got to be the practitioner.
But for me...
I trust who they have chosen.
I trust this lady.
And I've met with her to talk about it and stuff.
And I think she understands the things that I want to know.
Like, I want to know everything.
Yeah, I want to know everything.
I'm just like any other human being.
I want to know everything.
I mean, I want to know what race was I. Why do they treat me so fondly?
Why do they love me so much?
Why do I love them so much?
What's the bond?
There's so many things.
I am going to have that done.
Awesome. When you have that done, you definitely need to have another show.
I want to have an update on that.
You had an interview with little Eisenhower, great-granddaughter.
That's incredible.
President Ike, he had a bunch of encounters.
He was a UFO believer, an extraterrestrial believer.
He supposedly met with extraterrestrials three times, apparently.
Yes. At Edwards Air Force Base, Holloman Air Force Base.
She firmly states that...
He did not sign the treaty.
She thinks that his name might have been applied to a treaty with the grace for a certain amount of humanity for them to abduct and retain genetic material from.
But she thinks that, you know, she doesn't think that her grandfather did that.
The Griotta Treaty?
The 1954 Griotta Treaty?
Yes. And a lot of people blame him for that.
But she claims and swears that she's done the research that it wasn't actually him.
So I don't know.
Well, I wouldn't put it past one of his superiors or someone below him to just sign his name on it.
It happens all the time.
Because it was him that met Valiant Thor.
Yes, all that stuff.
I was very honored that she...
You know, interviewed me.
That happened yesterday, as a matter of fact.
Yeah, that's incredible.
It was fun.
I want to meet you.
It was very enjoyable.
Yeah, very fun.
What can you talk to us about Valiant Thor?
What do you know about Valiant Thor?
I don't really know anything about it.
You know, when I have my interactions, I'm going to be honest with you.
That's truthful and honest.
Humanity's been lied to enough.
So, for me, I'm so in awe of everything I see.
I'm mesmerized.
I don't think about all the little things.
Like sitting here now and us talking, I could write down a whole list of things that I wish I would have asked.
But once you get up there and all that, it's hard to explain.
Your mind is just in the moment.
You're just in the moment in awe, in the moment.
The love and the feelings that you have are so...
Not of Earth.
Just getting used to that is phenomenal in itself.
Yeah. And you mentioned in a podcast on Quantum Guy Show, you mentioned people of the clouds.
You had an experience in the mountains of Mexico?
Yes. The interdimensionals orchestrated for my son and I to go to Mexico.
So my son has experiences as well.
So my son got his tickets, and we flew down to the lower Pacific side of Mexico.
I'm getting a drinkin'.
We flew down into Mexico City, and then flew on a shorter flight over to, my Spanish is not good, Huaca.
And that is a state at the very southern Pacific end of Mexico.
And from there, we took a shuttle bus.
Three-hour ride up into these mountains where this indigenous tribe called the Zapotec people.
They're called the people of the clouds.
And up there, nobody spoke English, and it was not a touristy area.
It was no ATMs, no cell coverage, no internet, anything like that.
So basically, there was two things they want my son and I to experience.
One was...
Meeting these people, and they were explaining to us that this tribe of people were on the verge of ascension, and they were as old as the Mayas and the Incas, and all of a sudden it plummeted.
It ended because their younger generations were fascinated with materialistic things and technology, so they decided to leave the mountain of their home.
And move to like bigger cities to where they could live a different lifestyle.
So they wanted us to understand, I think, basically, is we are like AI technology is the big talk of the world in the United States and everywhere around the world right now.
And there's a lot of misinformation and there's a lot of just, you know, conspiracy theories, whatnot.
But the basic thing, what I think they wanted us to learn and to share with the world is that AI technology is a tool.
It is a man-made tool.
It is a good tool, but always keep it as a tool.
Realize that it's man-made, realize that it is a tool, never turn it loose to become
And that's what's happening.
Keep it as a tool.
Yeah, so that was the one thing they wanted us to experience up there.
The other thing was, up there, it's very indigenous, and the people are very eco-friendly, and they are very, they're all happy and have very joyful lives, and they have electricity,
but they don't have a lot of the other things, and some of them don't have electricity, but basically, they...
Wanted us to see the dense forest.
And so basically we walk out there and we're having, showing me a vision and showing my son a vision.
And they take their hands out and they go, everything is alive.
Everything is alive.
The trees are alive.
The plants are alive.
These mushrooms, these flowers, everything is alive.
And they, you know, they were saying that we laugh about this.
You know, and think this is not true, but it is true.
And he said that the tree laughs at us because we breathe air.
What does a tree produce?
It produces the air that we breathe that fills our lungs, and we run around cutting it down.
So the tree is laughing at us, basically, is what they're telling me.
The trees laugh at us for being so dumb.
I agree with the trees.
I agree with the trees.
But they wanted us to understand that, you know, just because we don't see something, that doesn't mean that these things are not going on around us.
And as we evolve and ascend, we will start to see these things.
But like I said earlier, I think that our science and technology already knows about these things.
Oh, yeah.
So it's not, you know, the everyday person doesn't know.
Our scientists know these things.
So they wanted me and my son to experience and understand that that's why they love our planet so much, because everything is alive.
This whole universe, everything is alive, and we're all connected, and we are all one.
So the next day after we did this, my son, who's in much better physical shape than I am, much younger, and he...
We walked and hiked for many, many miles to go to this indigenous tribe, to their home.
And they lived, you know, out away from where we were staying.
And so he got there.
And when they had, I guess he was like their chief of their little village or whatever.
When he came out in front of my son, he took his hands out and said, everything is alive.
We are all one and connected.
That's beautiful.
That was it.
And he could barely wait to get back.
He spent the whole day, and I didn't see him for the whole day.
But when he came in, he was running to the door saying, Mama, they said the same thing.
They said everything is alive, and we're all connected.
And it was just we both cried because that was our affirmation.
This is so beautiful and so amazing.
We are lucky to be a part of something that is so important.
Absolutely. It's amazing.
It's a beautiful thing.
We've been lied to so much and the truth needs to come out.
I agree.
We live in a special place.
All of this is amazing.
We take it for granted.
It's unfortunate we take it for granted.
A lot of people go through life without Caring about anything other than themselves.
How much stuff can I get?
How much stuff can I get and gather because I'm going to need this stuff?
I hate that.
Let's go cut down trees.
I used to be not a tree hugger, but I would fall into that category of hippie.
My mom always called me a hippie just because I had a different view of the world.
I was more into crystals and elements.
Good things about life and the spirituality of it.
All of these things are inside us.
It's because of our upbringing, our society, the world around us has made us unrecognize these things.
So you've known it, I've known it, and we all are guilty of being interested in materialistic things because that's how we were raised.
You know, that's the way it is.
It's on television.
It's programmed into us through the television.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
luckily for me, because where I grew up, I didn't have a ton of people around me.
Like I got to grow up, I guess, like I thought a lot.
I was in my head a lot because I was in the woods a lot.
And I was able to be connected to the earth a lot more than connected to people that would be dragging me down.
You know what I mean?
Yeah. Because the people, they're all...
I was a different breed of child.
My friends, they were all consumerism, consumerism.
Let's do the cool thing because it's MTV, MTV this, MTV that.
I'm like, man, I just want to go walk in the woods, go to the waterfalls, go swimming and just enjoy what I see.
It can feel and smell.
And everybody else wanted to go party and drink.
And then eventually I got sucked into that whole area as I got older.
I was like, my connection to the earth kind of got...
Distracted and I became a drinker.
Yeah. And then my whole life kind of got flipped upside down because of drinking and I hated it.
And then I woke up again and then I quit drinking.
I've been sober for like eight years now.
Oh, yeah.
And so I was able to reconnect to...
The earth, I guess.
In my whole life now, I just want to research.
I want to learn.
I want to put stuff out there for other people to think about and contemplate.
Because I personally know that what we have been told, thanks to the Rockefellers taking over the education system and the medical, it ruined everything.
His money, sure, he was an intelligent businessman, but he had no care.
For the future of what people were going to be learning.
What people were going to be eating and drinking.
He didn't care about the future.
He cared about the present.
He wanted money, money, money, money, money, money.
And it ruined everything.
So now all we have is advertisements.
Buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell, money, money, money makes the world go round.
That's all anybody cares about now is money.
And every holiday is about making money too.
It's sad.
It really depresses me.
I don't celebrate holidays because I'm like, I'm being distracted by something that I shouldn't be distracted by.
I don't watch television.
I watch, I guess, on Twitter and stuff.
Things that are not NBC.
They're not these pedophile protectors.
So it's just interesting.
Life is great, but life is really freaking hard at the same time.
You know what I mean?
It is.
This is a school.
Being here is a school.
And everything we experience is part of it.
It makes us who we are.
We have to learn from our mistakes.
You have to look at the good things, not dwell on the bad things.
A lot of things need to change, and we need a new way of thinking and a new way of living.
It may not happen overnight, but we've got to start somewhere.
Absolutely. What do you know about Stargate?
The military program?
I don't know a lot about that kind of stuff.
I work for the Army and for the Department of Defense.
And the first place that they sent me was Schofield Barracks in Hawaii.
And, you know, I was exposed to a lot of technology.
And it served its purpose because when I saw the hearings of the bodies they presented down in Mexico, the extraterrestrial bodies, What I was looking at was the scientific,
I took away the fact that the man that presented it was accused of being a scam artist, okay?
I can't think of his name, but he's well known as a scam because he's tried to say things were this, that, and the other, and they ended up being not the real thing.
So I put that aside and looked at the scientific side of these things.
My experience with working in the dental profession is that when I worked with endodontists and also with oral surgeons and stuff, they had post-3D imaging radiology equipment that most places weren't privy to.
And even private practices, I don't think even have it yet because it's very, very expensive.
But at the time, they had it, and I was there when they first got it.
From what I was paying attention to was the scientific evidence and the fact that they took these images.
Basically, when you take an x-ray of a bone, like if you break your arm, they take the x-ray of it, and it just shows the outer part's surface.
And even like with a tooth, you're taking a picture of the outer surface.
And they're able to see by the discoloration, like the different colorations within the bone, whether it's diseased or decay or whatever you want to call it.
But with 3D imaging, it takes the bone and it comes in.
It's not looking at this side of it.
It's going in from the top looking down.
And you're seeing every nerve, every capillary, every little...
So, with that type of 3D imaging, you cannot cheat that.
If they tried to take a bone from another animal and place it into some little...
Other animal, it would stand out like a sore thumb because you cannot cheat that type of technology.
It sees every little thing and it looks from the inside and it can tell you everything.
Is that the Aztec incident you're talking about in Mexico?
Yes. Those little mummies.
They're a little short, the guys.
I've never seen anything like that, but I do believe those are real.
What I didn't understand...
Yeah, what's the breastplate?
They had a breastplate.
But from what I understand, the scientific evidence on that says those metals are not anything from Earth.
And I do believe that they said that they found some human DNA or present in the DNA of those little mummies.
So what I heard, those breastplates, because they're a metallic breastplate, it's to heal is what I heard.
They kind of touch it.
Or put their hand in the chest and do a circle around their chest where the plate is.
And it sort of heals them is what I kind of researched.
Yeah, that would make sense.
It would make sense.
It's even depicted in movies too, so it's kind of crazy.
Yeah, you know, that's the thing about this.
If you ever get the taste of this, I mean, it's just, you realize.
There's so much more to learn.
There's so much more.
It just never ends.
It's amazing.
The rabbit hole goes so deep.
I don't know.
I grew up loving the aliens.
I used to love the topic.
I used to love it since I was five or six.
I was telling you.
I was researching, like, deep underground military bases, like Dolce, under Colorado, airport.
Now they all connect.
And, like, in Dolce, what I heard, and what the prominent story is, is, like, seven different stories underground, seven layers, whatever, and each one has its own clearance.
And the lower you go, the more higher clearance you need.
And at the bottom couple levels is where, like, the aliens and the humans are working together to do experiments, probably, like, I guess, splicing alien and human.
Cloning. Nobody knows what.
But then, you know, it got into like the cattle mutilations, which have happened in many states.
And I used to love all this stuff because I spent countless hours doing this stuff.
And then just the past couple of years, the disclosure part with David Grouch doing the Congress thing.
I forget the other two guys that were part of that.
Daniel Sheehan is an attorney.
And Stephen Greer.
Yeah. Stephen Bessette.
He is the main guy who lobbies all this stuff.
So yeah.
It's big time.
As a matter of fact, I got to be a panelist on an interview with Grant Cameron.
He's one of those guys that's really big into all this stuff too.
So yeah.
It's amazing.
It's amazing, but the part of it for me is like, it always happens.
Once the government gets involved, it starts taking away the validity of everything.
You know what I think they're doing?
For me, I don't know what's going on because I can't trust the government telling me anything because they like to lie, especially if it's the CIA because the CIA does nothing but lie.
That is their job.
Right. You know, their job is to put out disinformation and destabilize people in countries.
They do nothing but psyops.
And so this whole thing is a psyops.
I mean, they do psyops on psyops on psyops who are doing psyops on their own psyops.
And how deep does that get?
You know?
Yeah. But what it comes down to is the former CIA director, William Casey, he was famously quoted as saying, quote, We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the U.S. public believes is false, end quote.
That's heavy.
Ronald Reagan in 1987 said, Yeah, I remember that.
That was amazing.
These positive interdimensionals and extraterrestrials, they keep telling me we are one.
We are all connected.
And what we're in, our human, this is like a vessel.
We are in a vessel.
So this is a vessel.
And our soul and our consciousness, when we pass away, it moves on.
And then we experience other things, whether it be come back.
To Earth or whether we experience being an animal or experience being extraterrestrial or if we decide that we've experienced everything we want to and we just stay in that being up at the highest dimension where we would be the creator source up in that area.
But we are supposed to be.
We are one.
We are united.
And when you take this all off, we are all energy beings and we are all alike.
You know, so all this stuff about racism and all these things have been designed to keep us separated.
That has been the whole goal and it's manipulated us with for many, many generations.
So once we finally realize this, that we've been manipulated and lied to, then when we come together as one, we're unstoppable.
We're unstoppable.
Yeah, because Valiant Thor, when he came, his message was one of peace and love and unity.
I mean, he urged humanity to work together and to overcome our differences.
He warned of the dangers of nuclear weapons and the need to transition to cleaner sources of energy.
I mean, he had these really great messages, but what have we taken from him?
We were not willing to give up nuclear weapons at that time.
And it was all about greed.
You know, I've heard that even Winston Churchill didn't want to let the world know about these things because the people that put them in their political positions and stuff will not make money off an educated,
healthy race of people.
So they, you know, it was all for the wrong reasons.
And I apologize to any descendants of him if I've heard your family by saying that, but that's just something that I was told, not by extraterrestrials, but something that I researched and found.
For sure.
I always wanted to be abducted.
I just went out to the stars, looked up the stars.
Please come take me.
I'm tired of this life.
Come take me.
But they never come get me.
Well, that you know of anyway.
But I tell you what, the best way to communicate, and I sincerely believe this, is to meditate with pure intention, with pure positive thoughts.
And if one way or the other, I feel like that they would, if nothing else, meet you in your dream state.
Or something of that nature just to kind of test out.
Because that's the thing.
They don't push.
They're very patient.
They were very patient with me.
And because of who I was or who I used to be, they have been a little persistent with me.
But all in all, with humanity, they're not going to push us into anything that we cannot handle or ready for.
So they might test, put their foot in the pond with you, so to speak.
Just to see how you would mentally handle it or whatever.
But yeah, they're here.
And that's what they're waiting for is for humanity to open up and accept who they are.
They are here to assist.
We know they're not gods.
We know they're not here to eat us and all this kind of stuff.
What do you think about that recent alien mall threat that happened?
I don't know really a whole lot about it.
I have a Facebook group called Time for Disclosure slash We've Never Been Alone.
And I've had people in the group keep posting it and stuff.
And, you know, I looked at it and everything, but I really can't make heads or tails out of it because apparently the footage that I saw, it was like a mass confusion, people running.
But no.
I didn't see anything, you know, so I don't know.
No. I do know that cryptids, and I didn't, I used to not know what cryptids were, but I do understand that's where your dogman or your Bigfoot or your, what do you call that?
Chupacabra. Yes, I couldn't think of it.
Goat sucker.
Yeah, all those things, all those categories.
And those are real.
They're real.
And I think that those things are things that jump out of their timeline or either out of their dimension that they belong in.
And they create habit because I was with a extraterrestrial group of explorers and they came and got me and I was on a craft.
And I was with other humans and we were talking and I was trying to figure out what was going on.
But basically, this was a group of explorers and that's the first time I ever saw an aquatic being.
And I was with them and they were looking for creatures that were in the wrong place.
So I now know that that term is cryptids, but I did not know that at the time when I experienced it.
So basically, they were looking for these creatures.
That were here creating havoc, and they were retrieving them and taking them back to where they belong.
I've heard stories of people saying Bigfoot, one minute's there, the next minute disappears.
It could be jumping dimensions.
That's what I've heard, that it's an interdimensional being that can just jump.
To and fro, whatever, however.
These other animals do the same thing because that was an experience that I had and I didn't participate in any of it.
I simply was an observer and they were looking and they had these screens that showed indications of a life that they were looking for a presence of a creature and then they would go down and get it and then...
Contain it and then take it back to where it belongs.
I know those things are real.
I want to go to Skinwalker Ranch and I want to see that portal open on the mountain that they talk about.
Things come in and out of it.
Have you ever heard of Mel's Whale?
Oh yeah, Mel's Hole?
Yeah, Mel's Hole.
That's bizarre stuff.
Yeah, it goes back to coast to coast.
Yeah, I used to stay up listening to that all the time, fall asleep listening to it.
That's good stuff.
I love that show.
It's gone a whole different direction since George Norrie took over.
The earlier years that George Norrie were fine, but these later years, I mean, he's getting pretty old and the stuff they talk about now, it's like not creepy and mysterious anymore.
It's just like how to make your life healthier.
Yeah, he jumps around too much.
It's kind of like X-Files.
I just started watching X-Files.
I started first season, first episode last night.
I'm going to watch the whole thing again.
I love that show.
I understand totally what you're talking about.
Philadelphia Experiment.
What do you think about that?
I believe anything's possible.
I know that the government has got a lot of technology and they've been gifted a lot of technology from different races and they just set on it you know yeah so you know
thing. I think we're going to learn.
I think this year is going to be a big year of things
You know, but we have...
Humanity as a whole, we're going to have to learn to forgive.
Forgive our forefathers for the mistakes they made.
And just hope that our future elected...
Policymakers and officials, powers that be, make better decisions and know that we're all aware of these things.
They can't pull the lie to us anymore.
The internet really opened up the avenue for a lot of information.
There's nothing they can hide anymore.
I don't have a lot of faith in the government and them doing anything right.
Well, you know what?
I wanted to tell you this a minute ago.
I think they're waiting on the James Webb Telescope.
I think they're snowballing the disclosure because they want the James Webb Telescope to find life.
Scientists have already got some areas.
I think one is in Sirius B. I don't even remember where the other one is, but there's some spots that they think likely that there's life there.
And so I think the government is waiting for that to happen.
And they're hoping, I think, that once humanity knows that there is life in the universe, but it's millions of miles away, everybody's going to be excited and not intimidated by the fact that it's not right here on us.
But the truth is, they are here.
The extraterrestrials, the interdimensionals are here.
So they're hoping that we'll be so in.
Oh, I'm so excited that they'll just kind of slide under that happiness and people will forget to ask about all these other things like, why were these people eliminated?
Why did all these bad things have to happen?
Why did this state...
Yeah, I look forward to it, but it's going to be kind of scary.
I don't know.
Interesting. It should be interesting, I think.
Yeah, by the end of the year, who knows what's going to happen.
Well, I'm excited because when I created my website, you know, and all this I started was three or four years ago.
Or four.
It may even be longer than that.
And I wanted all these things to happen, but I didn't know it was.
And now it's just like, wow, it's all here.
And it's just, you know, everything, it seems like to me, everything happens for a reason.
And everything kind of runs its, like, has its little time.
Everything happens for a reason, I guess, is basically what I'm trying to say.
It just all works out.
There are no coincidences?
Yeah, there are no synchronicities.
Apparently, it all happens for a reason.
I'm a synchronist.
This happens a lot to me.
I'll be writing.
I'll be doing some research.
I'll be literally typing a sentence.
Right when I get to the word, I'll just say the word government.
I'm typing, I don't like the government.
Right when I say government...
I might be watching something on TV behind me and someone says government right when I'm typing the word government.
Wow. That happens a lot.
Okay. And I see the number 58 a lot.
No matter where it is.
That's your subconscious trying to tell you something.
That's what I'm told.
Everyone tells me I've talked to people who are numerologists and astrologists.
Something in your subconscious is trying to come through to you.
You should meditate and ask yourself, your subconsciousness, ask it to open up or ask your brain to open up and fill you with that information and meditate on it.
And when I say with intention, I mean, nothing else can, you have to, it's you and that thought, you know, and nothing else, you know.
It's so hard for me to meditate my mind.
It has so much going on in it.
Because I've tried meditating so much.
One time I did get to a point where I did eventually get surrounded by this light.
I got to this point where I was surrounded by this orange light around me.
This orange-ish yellow light.
And I was like, whoa, okay, this is kind of cool.
But then I didn't know where to go with that.
And then I just ended.
But that's the only time I got anywhere with it.
Yeah. I don't have the patience either.
My son's always fussing at me because it's hard for me.
For me to get relaxed and quit thinking, I have to really listen to something.
Like the sound of waves or the sound of something.
I don't know.
I'm not good at it either, so I understand that.
Maybe I'll just put some fire crackling on and just try to do something.
I don't know.
It's just difficult.
It's difficult for me to sit still for too long and not be doing anything.
I feel like I need to be doing something, maybe moving around or putting knowledge in my brain.
But it's a great idea to just sit back, relax, and I guess download or upload and kind of just take a chill pill for a minute.
Yeah. But another thing too is if you did do the hypnosis, you could say, I want you to ask me.
Ask me this while I'm under and your subconscious would probably give you those answers too.
But anyway, I can try mine first and then we'll see how well that works.
Yeah, try yours.
I want to hear how that happened.
I want to hear how it works.
So definitely when that happens, you need to contact me.
I have a hard time believing that somebody can put me under hypnosis.
Right. And they're like, oh, we can do it.
But I'm like, hmm, I don't know.
Yeah. And that's what scares me, because then you are in control of them, or they're in control of you.
And it's like, that's what worries me, having another person in my head doing stuff.
Yeah. Who knows?
You know, I can remember, like, back in the day, you would see it, like, on TV or something, and, like, people would start walking around like a chicken or something.
Yeah. But they say that's not real.
They say that's not real.
No, no, no, no.
That's what comes to mind, you know, and you're like, oh my gosh, you want me to just trust you?
What are you going to do to me, you know?
Another thing, a lot of people pay people to do this over the internet.
I just don't see how that could even be real.
No, man.
I wouldn't do that at all.
I need to be in the same room with the person.
I can feel you.
I can see you.
You're here.
You're not on the other side of the screen.
I think that's a veil.
Yeah. In between us, you know?
Like, how could you get the energy?
Well, how are they going to wake you up?
I mean, what if you didn't hear the, you know, or whatever?
So you're just stuck in the trance forever?
Yeah, I mean, that's got to be a scam.
It's got to be.
Yeah, I just don't see that, but anyway.
But I am going to try that, and I will let you know.
Yeah, for sure.
Definitely let me know.
Well... Do you have any final thoughts on the disclosure that's coming out right now?
They're really planning on pushing this this year.
So do you have any final thoughts on how that's going to turn out?
I think it's a go-ahead.
I think everything is looking good, even when they get to snowballing things a little bit.
There's enough people that want this to happen.
A lot of people in Congress and Senate knew nothing of this stuff.
And they're now researching it themselves.
And it's going to continue.
And I know that there's a foundation called the SOL, the SOL Foundation.
SOL for something.
I couldn't tell you right now what that's for.
But they're a foundation.
And point blank, they're like, even if the government doesn't continue on, they're going to do their own.
Carry it on out and investigate all these things.
They've got more, I guess, power behind them than like MUFON?
MUFON doesn't have a lot of pull.
Yeah. So this SOL Foundation, though, they've got...
Who's in the group?
Do they have government officials?
Who you need to be watching and who I would recommend for you to listen to is Stephen Busset.
Stephen Busset.
And he knows the nuts and bolts to everything that's going on.
He's up there.
He was a lobbyist for a long, long time.
I don't know exactly his age.
He's older than me.
But he's been doing this for so long.
And Daniel Sheehan would be another person.
They know everything.
And they both have offices at Washington, D.C. And they are there.
24-7, keeping up with everything.
And I've heard them say things that, you know, they know how close it is for the president signing over on these things.
You know, they know the whole nine yards of, you know, why it's taken this amount of time, you know, because of all the paperwork.
And, you know, and things of this nature.
But, yeah, so I would recommend anybody to listen to Stephen Busset and Daniel C. Hand, and you can really find out inside information on everything.
I'll check them out for sure.
Yeah. I'll definitely check them out.
And what astounds me, too, is how many people in Congress and the Senate are, like, completely, absolutely clueless.
To these things.
And it's like, you're in power, and how long have you been in power?
And none of these things has ever been an interest in your brain?
Like, I don't know, man.
It's just weird to me how these people in power don't talk about these things.
Something that a lot of them have said to me, and I've heard them say on podcasts, because I listen to all of them, and I make sure I keep up with Disclosure.
That's my website, and my Facebook group is Time for Disclosure.
And the main thing that...
The government has ignored is experiences.
And we have first-hand knowledge of what their agenda is and a better understanding of what this all is and what it all means.
But they are totally avoiding us.
Totally. And, you know, it boggles my brain that they're out here spending and studying.
And a lot of these questions could be answered by experiences.
And I'm not saying that I'm anything special.
There's plenty of people that's had experiences.
But with the combination of many of the contactees and experiencers, they could learn some things.
Well, I know like Ancient Aliens, that group with Linda Milton Howell.
And those guys, they have the panels and they have people come up and talk about their experiences.
And I love those.
So we need Congress to have one of those.
Why can't we have a Congress to have all of these experiencers?
People come on, they've been abducted, and they have their own experiences.
They should all have a panel in front of Congress with the experts around them.
That would be a good disclosure.
Real people.
I watched every day of the congressional hearings.
Linda Bolton Howell was a speaker.
Stephen Greer was a speaker.
What's his name?
Gary Nolan was a speaker.
He's a physician and a big researcher.
There's many of them that did.
I think that is...
The group of Congress that was listening, they learned things they never even knew about.
So that was important, very important.
But David Rush, I would say, is the number one person of 2023.
He definitely did.
Really, he put some information out there like nobody ever has.
You know, right to the government, right to the right source.
He would have to be the man of the year for 2023 for disclosure, in my opinion, and most others.
It was funny when that was going on.
I forget the other gentleman's name, but he was just kind of like...
He wouldn't agree with Grush at all, but he was one of the three guys.
Was it Lou Lozano?
No, not Lou.
Russ Cophart?
I can't remember.
He was the dude on the far left, if you're looking at the screen, and then it was Grush, and then it was the other guy on the right.
But Grush would be talking about stuff, and then they would ask the guy on the left questions about the same thing.
He'd be like, well, in my experience, because he was kind of against the whole disclosure type of thing.
Oh, yeah.
They had to have him on there, right?
But then they had Grush, and he was like, no, this is what's going on.
And then the other guy, he was a fighter pilot.
I forget his name.
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
I can't think of his name, but I know who you're talking about.
Yeah. And so he and Grush were both like, yo, this is real stuff.
This is real stuff.
And the other guy was like, I mean, in my experience, I don't know.
I can't say yes to this.
But Grush is like, yeah, I will tell you all of this information to the panel, to the Congress, but I can't do it here.
In this setting, but if we have a SCIF, I will tell you all of this information.
But they never had a SCIF.
Why is that?
You think Congress would have been like, all right, let's have this SCIF and get all this information.
So why did they not do that?
Because some of them are old school and they are part of the ones that have suppressed this for so long and it's still there.
There's a group of them that still want to try to.
To do this.
Because you have to understand, people in political power all have financial backers.
Yeah. Okay?
And who do you think does not want all this to come to surface?
The people that make money off all this stuff, you know?
Yep. So, they don't want this technology.
They don't want this information.
They don't want us to know.
You know, they want to keep us what they consider stupid, I guess.
But we're not.
Oh, of course.
Yeah. Yeah.
And of course, they're definitely coming up with an idea of how they can continue making money off us once this comes out.
I don't know, like the brain chip that Elon Musk wants to do, Neuralink.
There are things they have in place that when this disclosure finally comes out and we are finally like, okay, government told us aliens are real.
Then those people in power...
With all the money pulling the strings, they obviously have something in the works to keep the control over us.
Yeah. I think they're pushing that neural link.
I'm sure they do, too.
Yeah. Yeah.
But anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation, and I hope you got something out of it.
Absolutely. No, I think the listeners will love it.
I enjoyed it.
I hope so.
We haven't really had an episode on aliens or disclosure yet, so this is great.
We've done stuff on ghosts and spirituality and whatnot, so this is just a perfect addition.
And Nancy, I mean, I would love to have you back on, especially after you do the...
Are you on Facebook?
Yes, I'm on Facebook.
Okay, well, I know that because I told you I was having computer problems.
Yeah, so I'll get you on Facebook there.
So I guess let's just roll this out.
If you want to tell people where they can find you, do you have websites and stuff?
TimeForDisclosure.com and the Facebook group is TimeForDisclosure slash We've Never Been Alone and on the main website there is a link to the Facebook group and it's open to the public.
Anybody can join and it has a forum on both where you can talk about experiences, you can read articles, you can make comments, you can contact me, you can talk to other people about their experiences and ask questions.
We just ask that everyone Please be polite.
That kind of thing.
Be respectful.
Definitely be polite.
You don't need any people ridiculing.
To make sure that it stays that way.
Because I want it to be public.
I don't want to put it as a closed group.
Because I want it to be open.
Because people are waking up every day.
And more people are learning about disclosure.
Wanting to learn more information.
So, yes.
Well, hopefully it stays positive and doesn't become something like a Reddit thread where you just get so many negativity, all sorts of negative comments.
Yeah. And it just turns into just this ugliness.
I hate that.
I don't even use Reddit anymore because it's so divisive and just filled with negativity, man.
Even on the positive things, you go to a positive website or page and it's just all the comments and nothing but negativity.
It's like, ah, this sucks, man.
That's sad.
All they have to do is think negative all the time.
You create the world around you by your positivity or your negativity.
