Project Camelot - ANN VANDERSTEEL - NANT AND BLOCK CHAIN

Jan. 9, 2026 - Project Camelot

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ANN VANDERSTEEL - NANT AND BLOCK CHAIN

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	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	Very happy to be here today.
	Actually, I have a wonderful guest, a colleague of mine, and Vanderstil.
	And we haven't actually been in touch for actually quite a while, but I was so glad to reach you because there's a very hot thing going on with this blockchain.
	And I don't know what they call it, exchange, a company that's going on to the markets and going to involve blockchain.
	And this is sort of an interesting dynamic.
	So I've done a lot of work to get up to speed with this.
	But Anne, welcome.
	And I'd like you to go over your bio in a very short way, and then we'll just launch into everything.
	Oh, sure.
	Carrie, it's great to see you.
	And thank you for the opportunity to join you on your fabulous platform and speak to your audience.
	It's just so loyal.
	They're a wonderful group of people.
	So it is a blessing to be here.
	I am a podcaster for 10 years now.
	I'm the founder of a nonprofit and a 501c4 called American Made Foundation and American Made Action.
	And we look at government corruption very seriously, whether it's from child protective services or to the subjects in the financial world, et cetera.
	This is what we focus on.
	We educate with our C3 and then we take action with our C4.
	I'm also the host of Steel News, where I do focus on the regulatory failures, institutional corruption, garnering, trying to go for accountability and holding people accountable.
	And then, of course, following the paper trail when the agencies charged with protecting the public fail to do it.
	So that is my sort of charge, if you will.
	Okay.
	So things have changed.
	We, I think, first met during the early days of MAGA.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't know, eight years ago?
	Yeah.
	2016, something like that.
	And we've each gone our own ways since then.
	I was on your show at one point and you were on mine.
	And so we're just trying to catch up here.
	But we're also focusing on NANT.
	And I'm going to ask you to define our terms.
	Not everyone is going to be familiar with this dynamic.
	And I know you're going to go before a press conference and the SEC to sort of, I don't know, break ground for this new venture.
	Well, actually, what we're doing at the SEC would benefit in terms of trying to get accountability.
	The NANT technology would actually benefit, you know, applying a token to an asset, such as a security, if you're trading stocks or if you are trading commodities like gold, silver, or liquid natural gas.
	Tokenizing these things is so that you can actually track them and keep tabs on your items and it allows you to maintain ownership.
	The difference, though, between something like that application of NAT technology and say another company like Abex is where not only are they tracking your commodity or your security per se, but they are also providing you legal title to it.
	So let's just use this as a very simple example.
	We've all heard the horror stories of people who bought Bitcoin at five bucks and lost their keys.
	Somebody else is able to get it and they ran away with the money.
	We've all heard the people had their wallets on Coinbase stolen, et cetera.
	Well, when you can't prove legal title of ownership to that wallet or to that Bitcoin or to that crypto, finders, keepers, losers, weepers.
	But when you can actually track a security, a commodity with financial digital titles, now you have something you can argue in court and say, hey, that legal title applies to me and I can prove it right here.
	And so if somebody were to try and steal your, say, shipment of liquid natural gas from Houston to Japan or wherever it's going, some pirates out there or they're trying to steal your piece of your gold coin, you can actually show as a level above tokenization, the actual legal title to it.
	Tokenization doesn't give you legal title.
	It just allows it to be assessed so that in the instance of somebody that has a company that has shares of their stock being sold, we've all heard about the term naked short selling, which is essentially selling something that doesn't exist in the hopes that the price of it is going to go down so that you can buy it at a lower price when somebody decides they want to actually collect the stock.
	So if you sold it up here, you expect the price to go here.
	Now the person says, hey, I want my stock.
	You buy it down here and you can give them the stock.
	That's naked short selling.
	A lot of times, though, as in the case of a company that I want to talk about with you a little bit today, that doesn't materialize well.
	And if you want to stop that, you want to track that stock.
	So if there's a security out there, you want to lay claim to it.
	Tokenizing it is one way to do it or using Abex and putting a financial digital title on it is another way.
	Okay, so I guess I'm a little confused and I don't know if anyone else is, but it's a lot bizarre about it.
	Okay, so NANT, I mean, you're talking about tracking your Bitcoin and keeping track of your login details and all of that and protecting your accounts.
	But when you talk about blockchain and you're talking about this new venture called NANT, what are you, what is your understanding of this company and what they're trying to do?
	So my understanding of what NANT is doing is they've now created a token that can be used.
	Let's give a real life example here.
	TMTG, Trump Media Technology Group, TMTG, Devin Nunes just put a letter out not too long ago stating that they were now because they were a victim of naked shortselling where people were selling shares that never existed into the public and people were buying this thinking they owned something only to find out they didn't.
	And it was what it was doing was it was really driving the price of the stock down.
	So if you remember when True Social or excuse me, TMTG launched, their stock price drove up to like, I think 74, 75, and then it came back down again and it sort of hovered.
	I think it's around 20 bucks.
	I'd have to double check.
	I haven't looked in a long time, but it, you know, it's taken a beating.
	And that was because of the naked short selling, which was depressing the price of the stock.
	And people were going out and offering stock at a very low discount of shares they didn't have with the hopes that the stock would continue to sell below that.
	They were trying to intentionally drive the stock down.
	The stock's trading here and some other seller comes in and says, hey, I can offer the shares down here.
	Well, if you're on the open market, of course you're going to grab the shares down here because you're going to net the difference, right?
	But when you do that continually, you drive that share price down.
	So, and they're selling things that don't exist.
	If you put a token to your share, now it is considered one token to one share.
	And if those shares have to have tokens associated, you no longer can sell something that does not exist using that naked short selling strategy.
	So that is a very oversimplified explanation, but that is, I think, one of the ways that, you know, the financial markets, which if you're paying attention to silver, Carrie, you've probably seen that there's been a lot of discussion about the deflated price of silver in our markets versus over in Asia.
	They're spending $10, $20, $30 more an ounce of silver over there because they're actually trading physical.
	And over here, we're still using the electronic traded funds, the paper, which is re-hypothecation of one asset.
	They're reselling one asset of silver over and over and over, which is short selling, naked short selling of a product that they, if someone, if they were all to collect all those people that bought it over and over, there's only one piece of silver.
	So that's naked short selling.
	And that's what we're seeing a silver squeeze.
	So by tokenizing every asset, now if you're going to sell that asset, you have to have a token associated with it.
	And that's the only way that, and that's why True Social went through that, used that strategy to stop people from selling something that did not exist because you can't tokenize something that isn't there.
	Does that make sense now?
	It does.
	However, I think that people will, when looking at blockchain, they don't think automatically of tokens.
	So you're kind of wrapping those two things together.
	And I did put the link for, I don't know how they want to pronounce it, but NANT and on the on the screen here for people in the chat.
	But what I'm wondering is, are we talking about, you know, the first kind of a market choice that uses blockchain?
	There was going to be, I think I texted you about the QFS and maybe you never heard of it, but Quantum Financial System that was supposed to be rolled out by the Trump administration working with the White Hat military.
	And I know someone who worked very hard on that platform.
	And then it just disappeared and so did he.
	So I don't know what has happened with that, but this sounds very much like it.
	So I'm kind of curious whether it's sort of metamorphosized into this NANT.
	I understand that there's all the different markets, but there's no option to use blockchain yet until now.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And blockchain, so I understand the question now.
	My apologies for not being more clear.
	Let me just define blockchain for you because blockchain is an infrastructure.
	Okay.
	Think of it like a railroad track.
	It's a digital ledger.
	It's shared.
	It has time stamps on it.
	It's pretty much tamper resistant.
	In other words, people can't hack in there.
	And when transactions are recorded, they are actually, you know, the authorized participants of the transaction say you and I are using blockchain to make an exchange.
	You and I can see that recorded transaction because we're the authorized transactors or the participants of that transaction.
	So blockchain is like the road and it's the system that records who owns what and when.
	But key features about blockchain would be you can't control the ledger if I'm exchanging something with you.
	Okay.
	No one person can actually control that.
	The records that go across the blockchain, you can't just go on ahead and alter that.
	So you can't go in and it's tamper resistant essentially.
	And unlike Swift, the Swift banking system, which when you take a wire and you send a wire from me to you, sometimes it takes three, five days.
	And we always get frustrated because we know the banks are sitting on it and they're collecting interest while we are needing that payment.
	So the velocity of money is crippled using the Swift network, but settlement on the blockchain happens much faster or frankly, it happens in real time.
	So, you know, and then, you know, the ownership of the history of an asset moving across blockchain, that's also fully transparent.
	So blockchain by itself doesn't just, it doesn't create any assets.
	It just kind of records the activity of the assets.
	Okay.
	So yes.
	And that makes sense to me.
	Excuse me.
	But the question here is, I'm told by this person that was trying to educate me on all this, that upstream is the way in which people can do this exact thing.
	But NANT, if I understand it correctly, would be maybe a competitor or would be working with upstream.
	Do you know?
	I don't know the answer to that.
	I have no knowledge of that.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So let's go back to NANT because you do know about that, right?
	I know enough to be dangerous.
	I mean, my area of focus that we're working on right now is a token, excuse me, a ticker by the name of MMTLP, which is what we're doing a press conference about on Monday.
	And it's a significant story in the sense that this particular stock was way oversold and rehypothecated by the millions, possibly even hundreds of millions of shares of a stock that was never supposed to be a stock trading on the market.
	It was supposed to just be a placeholder class A share dividend as a part of a reverse merger between two companies.
	And unfortunately, because that happened and the way in which it happened was pretty quite diabolical, in fact, as you know, the work I do is very much focused on looking at agency government and really, you know, frankly wanting to see them all dissolved.
	But when you have agencies that are supposed to regulate the industry and prevent the industry from harming the people, the investors, and then you find out that the industry and agencies were colluding to make millions or billions of dollars at the expense of the investor, then you have a real problem.
	And the point about the MMTLP discussion, frankly, is that in this instance, this group of people that has been harmed three years ago has the smoking gun evidence to prove that there was real collusion between the industry regulators and the actual industry itself, the broker dealers, the Schwabs, the E-Trades, et cetera.
	They have smoking gun evidence in email.
	And this is where we're going because if, you know, like TMTG is now applying tokenization so that they can no longer have short-sold stock issued anymore.
	You can't sell something that doesn't exist because you have to have a token for every single share.
	MMTLP would have benefited by that technology had it been available to them or was applied back then when that whole thing erupted.
	But that ticker was never supposed to, I'm sorry, that class A dividend share was never supposed to turn into a ticker titled MMTLP and then put on the OTC to be traded.
	It was completely against the wishes of the issuers of the two companies that did a reverse merger.
	Both the CEOs were like, stop, we never issued that.
	But the regulator said, talk to the hand.
	Somebody did it and it's out there trading.
	So that's the bane of the existence of the regulators when they see profit that they can make at the expense of the people.
	It's just tragic.
	Okay.
	So, but the question is, how did they get hold of it initially?
	How did they get a hold of it?
	That's a great question.
	And that's one to be answered when we finally are able to get any kind of real investigation by the Department of Justice.
	I can say this much, that FINRA admitted that a broker dealer, they won't say which one, and it is documented.
	It's documented on something called Blue Sheet, a Blue Sheet, which is what tracks every single thing about a transaction in a stock when the shares were issued, everything, any kind of corporate actions, whatever is going on, it's all tracked on the blue sheets.
	So FINRA, the financial regulatory authority, allowed a broker dealer to contact them and say, hey, we see there's a Class A dividend sitting over here.
	We want to trade it.
	So, the broker dealer filled out the paperwork without the permission of the issuer, the CEO of the company.
	And that is a no-no.
	FINRA is not supposed to allow that to happen, but they did anyway.
	And the issuer had made it very clear.
	I should clarify that.
	The issuer is supposed to be the one that initiates the paperwork to trade a stock.
	The broker dealer is allowed to do it if they have the authority of the issuer.
	They had no authority from the issuer to do that.
	FINRA ignored that.
	They ignored their own rule and they went ahead and issued the ticker and allowed it to trade.
	And from there, it traded for a year and it went hyperbolic in terms of how many shares were being issued.
	The total numbers of shares issues has yet to be discovered because they will not give that information out.
	Because if they did, they would find out that the total numbers of shared issues was way over and above the actual original issuance of the shares because they created so many fake re-hypothecated shares that were just completely fabrications and they were selling them on the market like crazy.
	And here's the crime.
	Isn't the bottom line here that FINRA was falling down on its job?
	Correct.
	And that also even the SEC was not catching that FINRA was not operating properly.
	Now, there are a number of sort of unsung heroes.
	I guess they've gotten a lot of notice in the financial community because they really went to bat for this issue that you're talking about.
	The fact that these, that the whole system is corrupt from the inside out as opposed from the outside in, if is kind of how I look at it.
	So what happens is they these whistleblowers in a way were coming forward in the public.
	And I don't have their names right in front of me, but they're quite well known for having blown the whistle, having called out FINRA, having called out even the SEC is not seeming to understand or either purposefully turning a blind eye for, I don't know, something crazy, like is it 40 years?
	Something insane.
	And then all of these companies have been actually attacked by these naked short sellers who never finish and close the final transaction, never pay for the borrowed shares that they then sold and never settled it.
	And so the money is just like taken out of the company.
	The company is shorted, right?
	So their stock went down.
	And down in some cases, there's one guy on X.com that I was watching.
	And he said, you know, he was one such owner.
	And he said his stock was, I don't know, $14 a share, let's say, and it went down to zero.
	And this was all because of the naked short selling.
	So what the blockchain and what this other company, NANT, proposes to do is to provide a solution that involves blockchain that will track everything.
	But if you have people behind the scenes who refuse to do the honest thing and they're not being policed properly by whether it's FINRA or the SEC, then even efforts like this could fall, you know, on deaf ears, so to speak.
	And this, you're talking about a company that this happened to, right?
	Right.
	A very sort of a big example, I guess.
	And there's many examples of this.
	And it's been going on for a very long time.
	And this is a loophole in the system that was discovered and then basically exploited, correct?
	That's correct.
	It's called failure to deliver.
	Right.
	Frankly, Carrie.
	And when you have a stock trading that, again, I cannot stress enough, it was never authorized to trade.
	It was never supposed to trade.
	FINRA went ahead and approved the request and assigned it the ticker MMTLP, enabling it to trade on the OTC.
	You know, the failures to deliver in this particular instance for MMTLP, just between 2021 and 2022, while it was still trading on the OTC, they had 58 days of failures to deliver, meaning they could not deliver the stock that was sold by you named the broker dealer.
	They sold something they didn't have.
	And when somebody wanted to take delivery to sell it, they couldn't.
	They couldn't sell the stock because they didn't have it to begin with and they couldn't get the share.
	So you had 58 days and then another 75 consecutive days.
	This was showing up on the reg show list, which is a list that says if there's any sort of, you know, something going funny with a stock, the SEC sees that.
	FINRA can see it.
	They should have immediately looked into it at that point in time.
	But what we're now learning through the incredible work of the community who put out, I think it was 1,100 FOIA requests since this whole thing collapsed in December of 2022, December 9th, 2022, is the fact that they learned that the SEC and FINRA were talking about this before, during, and after this abrupt, what's called a U3 halt on December 9th.
	And the Financial Trade Association that's associated with all the broker dealers, FIF, they were also talking to the SEC and telling the SEC in open communications and emails, essentially, we don't have the shares to cover to exchange for this S1 that's getting filed to spin off a new company.
	Because if you recall, that reverse merger created a dividend share.
	And that dividend share was going to be anybody that was an owner of those two companies and they had that dividend share, they were going to get it exchanged for a new share of this new spin-off company called Next Bridge Hydrocarbons.
	And so when they took that dividend share and then created a stock ticker out of it and started selling stocks, certificates that didn't exist, they created a lot more dividend share class stock that was, I'm sorry, they created a ticker in a much wider format than it was originally delivered as a dividend share to the stockholders of the original two companies.
	And now they have millions of shares that don't exist sold.
	So when those people were being told by the by Meta who had filed this S1 to bring the shares home, the broker dealer said, uh-oh, we don't have the shares to bring home and do a one-to-one exchange.
	The problem is typically broker dealers will manage your accounts for you, but a lot in a lot of instances, companies will use a transfer agent, which means they are in control of that stock issuance.
	So that S1 told the broker dealers when they go ahead and submit this S1 to create the Next Bridge hydrocarbon stock, it is going to be held at a transfer agent, which means it would have to be removed from the broker dealers, exchanged at the transfer agent, and the owners of those MMTLP shares would get a new share of NextBridge hydrocarbon.
	And the panic set in because the broker dealers had oversold a stock they didn't own.
	And they had a lot of people that had accounts and their broker dealers that thought they were wealthy beyond their imagination, only to find out that the broker dealers had been in communication with the SEC and FINRA.
	And so because FINRA protected the broker dealers, the stock investors who had been told you'll be able to cash out or get your stock exchanged on December 12th and it will stop trading on the OTC and you'll now become a next bridge hydrocarbon stock owner.
	They could make a choice, sell now because the stock had gone crazy or accept the new stock.
	They halted that stock trading three days early.
	And nobody, well, some people knew about it, but not the American people, not the investors.
	The broker dealers that had sold those shares short, meaning they never had them, they were immediately, it was, they were out of, they were out of out of out of the panic mode because they no longer had to produce something they didn't have.
	So they had made a lot of money selling something they didn't have, and they didn't have to come in and reconcile that trade and make good on it.
	But the people who did had invested their life savings, they lost everything.
	And the stories that have come out of that are just horrific.
	It comes around to a steal, basically.
	Oh, $1,000.
	And so what I understood was that there have been several hearings in Congress that have never actually, I don't know, prosecuted anyone for this doing, right?
	Nothing.
	So Gary Gensler.
	That's extraordinary.
	Okay, go ahead about Gary Gensler.
	Well, you know what?
	Carrie, it is extraordinary and it isn't.
	I mean, I'm trying to think, I'm going back to Trey Gowdy and Benghazi and you name the scandal that you and I reported on over the years.
	Have we ever seen anything come out of anything from Congress?
	I'm still waiting for an arrest.
	You know, it's 12 months in and we still don't have an arrest.
	So I'm not surprised.
	Okay, so there's there they're basically kind of protecting their own asses.
	And I imagine that Congress is also, the Congress people are involved because they buy and sell stocks, right?
	Right.
	So they could easily be naked short selling themselves for that matter.
	Absolutely.
	And there's a reason to believe that.
	And I think, you know, Canada is also involved as having been a place that was doing these transactions and affecting the market and also not prosecuting anybody.
	So there was no oversight, if I understand it.
	Correct.
	Well, there wasn't oversight to protect the people.
	There was definitely oversight to make sure that any broker dealer, whether it was E-Trade, Schwab, Fidelity, whomever, it doesn't matter, TradeStation, those broker dealers that oversold the share count, meaning they didn't have it, they could sold those shares, they were protected because by halting that stock trade three days early, they didn't have to reconcile and come up with the shares they never had owned to begin with when they sold them.
	They didn't have to produce that.
	Okay, but you're saying they were protected, but not the people.
	Oh, 1,000%.
	1,000%.
	And the smoking gun email that has been received through a FOIA shows that the Industry Trade Association, FIF, that represents broker dealers, had reached out to the SEC,
	basically begging for mercy, saying, please don't file that S1, because if you file that S1, which they had approved the spinoff for NextBridge Hydrocarbon, if that had been filed and forced to have the broker dealers produce the shares, they couldn't do it.
	And so they were supposed to get the shares delivered on NextBridge hydrocarbons for anybody that owned a share of MMTLP on December 12th, that share was either going to be swapped for NextBridge Hydrocarbon, which would be an exciting new adventure, potentially, or they had the option to sell it up until December 12th and take the money they made on MMTLP.
	But instead, the FENRA, the Financial Regulatory Association, stepped in three days early, halted the trading immediately, and froze everybody.
	So anybody who was still an owner of MMTLP was frozen.
	They've never been able to get the money out.
	It just has been sitting there.
	And that was when the SEC was under Gary Gensler, correct?
	Correct.
	Who, by the way, was the CFO for the Hillary Clinton campaign.
	Yeah.
	And he didn't, but he was the one who could have taken action besides just stopping the thing, right?
	So there was no payback.
	There was no charges brought, et cetera.
	Am I right?
	That's correct.
	In fact, when he was being questioned by Senator Crapo in a Senate hearing one day, he acted as if he wasn't, he vaguely recognized the name MMTLP.
	But if you were to look back through the FOIAs and how much conversation was going on between the SEC and FENRA, you would know that that simply could not be possible.
	It just simply isn't possible.
	Right.
	So he was lying in essence.
	Oh, well, I don't want to be so bold as to say that, but clearly he was not speaking the truth.
	How's that?
	Okay.
	And okay, yeah.
	So lying by omission, right?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	So when you do the press conference, you're going to draw attention to this case, right?
	And what do you expect to happen?
	Well, so first of all, we want to get an accurate share count, number one.
	Well, let me rewind that.
	I want the people who've been harmed egregiously.
	We have 200 veterans who are owners of MMTLP shares that we are aware of.
	We have 65,000 that we know of.
	There could be many more that we don't know of just because they've either passed away or they're not on the internet.
	They don't understand.
	It's just too complex for them.
	And that's a tragedy in of itself.
	But we want accountability for these people and we want those that have been egregiously harmed to have their voices heard.
	And there'll be people that have been egregiously harmed and their voices will be heard.
	So that's very, very important that they get that opportunity to speak to the world.
	We put a PRN news wire out, Carrie, it went over a couple hundred million views.
	So the world is watching on Monday because we are going to be calling out the SEC and FINRA and the collusion.
	We're going to show the evidence that we know that they were talking with the broker dealers.
	We know exactly what was going on there.
	Our other goal is, of course, to get accountability, to get a true investigation by the Department of Justice to actually put these people in vice grips, figuratively speaking, and go through FENRA.
	There's a representative out of Michigan, Linda McLean.
	She actually wants, she's got a bill coming forward to actually end and abolish FINRA.
	FINRA is not a government agency.
	It's a private organization.
	Why is a private organization having anything to do with the ability for stocks to trade on a platform anywhere?
	What gives them the authority?
	Why are they sandwiched between the broker dealer and the SEC?
	Well, I'll tell you, it's called plausible deniability because as soon as this happened, both FINRA and the SEC were doing this.
	They were pointing at each other.
	And sometimes they were circling back and pointing at the broker.
	So there was a circular firing squad going on.
	And the only person in the middle getting shot was the investor.
	So we need to get accountability for FENRA.
	That should be shut down.
	And we need accountability out of the Securities and Exchange Commission because they clearly colluded with the broker dealers to make sure that this stock was halted.
	They were, and they made FINRA do the dirty work.
	Clearly, they had FENRA do the dirty work to put that U3 halt out there.
	So we want full accountability.
	We want the truth.
	We want the total share count because we want to know just how many times this company had its share sold when it didn't simply exist.
	Because then we have to do that.
	So you have no actual number for the number of shares that were sold or.
	No, they actually do know, Carrie.
	It's on the blue sheets.
	If you remember me talking about that, they do know.
	The fact of the matter is they're just going to be able to do that.
	The public tells anybody.
	The public doesn't.
	The public doesn't know.
	Correct.
	Because the publish sheets are not public.
	They should be.
	You should be able to FOIA for those.
	They won't release them.
	I mean, it's, I, I, you know, it's sort of mind-blowing.
	I'm not a financial expert, but I don't understand how a crime can be committed that's so obvious.
	And so many people are being frauded, right?
	And I'm sure trying to raise, you know, I don't know, even an FBI.
	I mean, I don't know who you go to, but what I'm saying here is that the cause is obvious and the people are being frauded.
	And no one, not even Congress, is doing anything about it.
	So they're all in on it together.
	This is our government, right?
	Well, Congress did sign a letter.
	74 members of Congress did sign a letter and we will have that letter with their signatures blown up on a big corrugated sign that we will point to.
	We've got the email that is being put on corrugated.
	Okay, but when was this done?
	Pardon me?
	When was the letter signed by Congress?
	20, was it 23 or 22?
	I'd have to go look.
	Forgive me.
	I don't recall the date of the letter.
	Okay, but then nothing happened?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	That's why we're holding a press conference.
	That's why this community is incredible.
	You know what?
	I'll tell you what's incredible.
	I think we can accept the fact the government is completely lawless and they're corrupt criminals.
	They're a RICA organization like I've never seen.
	They make the mafia look like a tea party.
	But I'll tell you what's incredible.
	It's the people in the MMTLP community.
	I have never seen a community that has been so damaged by the federal government come together, unified in one voice, supporting each other.
	They've been there for each other.
	They hold spaces almost 24 hours a day.
	There's some kind of a space about MMTLP on X all the time.
	And they are supporting each other.
	They're listening to each other.
	They know each other's family names.
	When babies are born, when somebody's mother dies, when people have tragically taken their lives, veterans have taken their lives over this loss.
	They have come together in a cohesive fashion.
	And I told them the first time I spoke to them, I was so blown away by their support for me to come in and just try to lend a voice.
	And I came in because somebody reached out to me and I started to read everything, go through the documents, did a little research, talked to my husband, who's a trader.
	And I said, you know, what's going on here?
	And we spoke to this gentleman.
	I said, my God, this is massive.
	And as I got into it deeper and deeper, I just realized these people are incredible.
	And they are governing themselves and they're going after the government that harmed them.
	They're doing what our founding fathers told us to do, Carrie, in the Constitution.
	We the people, we have a right.
	And in the Declaration of Independence, if our government is not living up to our expectations, I contend we're at that alter or abolish moment in history, Carrie, where agencies like the SEC and organizations like FINRA, they need to go because they're not serving we the people.
	When you have technology like tokenization and companies like Abex that have legal digital title to property you own and you're trading it, now you can prove who owns it if somebody steals it, number one.
	And number two, you can't fabricate something that doesn't exist if it's tokenized on the blockchain.
	So what do you need the SEC and FENRA for if you have those two things covered?
	Because at the end of the day, if I sell you something, you want to make sure it's the thing I sent to you and not somebody else is fake and they stole my thing.
	You want to make sure the transaction is legit.
	Technology allows us to do that now.
	So what do we have, these archaic, bloated agencies that have thousands and thousands of people with their hands out and they're stealing out of the cookie jar while they're stabbing you in the face?
	That's how I see it.
	Okay.
	And I have to agree.
	So what is the remedy, aside from NANT, which is the blockchain and we're talking about that, but in terms of how they got away with this?
	In other words, are we dependent on the SEC to suddenly play the police or guard dog or whatever that they haven't done?
	Who is how if you kind of look behind the scenes and you imagine there's all these sort of culprits that should be caught, that should have charges put against them.
	Is it Trump?
	Because why is this the question when I learned about naked short selling?
	It clearly sounds wrong.
	Okay.
	Like I think anybody can hear that explanation and realize that it's wrong.
	So why has Trump, for example, or why have other officials that may oversee, let's say, the SEC, allowed this to happen even on their watch?
	Why do they allow it to happen?
	Because they're making money allowing it to happen.
	So they're also benefiting.
	I don't know about Trump, though, because I'm not.
	I'm not suggesting President Trump.
	No, I think he'd be appalled because I have heard that he's been actually a victim of this.
	Yes, Trump is a lot of people.
	Every big company has short selling, naked short selling going on behind the scenes.
	They tolerate it to a certain degree is what I heard.
	Right.
	And they're not taken down to zero, unlike this, you know, this other company that you're referring to.
	So some CEOs see their companies and their stock value go down to zero, and they basically are penniless, okay, at that point.
	So they're very motivated.
	But someone like Trump with his larger companies, he is being attacked on a regular basis and he's having to tolerate it.
	Why?
	Well, I mean, I'm asking you to extrapolate.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, no, no, I, and I am.
	I, you know, when I look at the crisis of our, the crisis that our entire country is in, Carrie, and I've covered a lot of different stories in the last 10 years.
	So consider America a patient in the ER and she's bleeding out everywhere.
	You have to look at that patient and go, what's the most critical place where there's a wound and blood is gushing out?
	I need to stop that first in order to triage and save the patient.
	So from where I'm sitting, and I had this conversation with, I don't think he'll mind if I tell him, busy this morning, busy brands on X. Shout out to you.
	I had this conversation with him on the phone this morning about this.
	And because, you know, you've got 65,000 that we know of investors, probably a lot more.
	Some say 120, 120,000 or maybe more because it's worldwide investors.
	Why isn't Congress acting on this?
	Why isn't the DOJ acting on this?
	Why aren't they doing something immediately because so many people have been harmed?
	And I said to Busy, I said, you know, I'm thinking he's not going to like this answer, but I'm going to say it anyway.
	You know, we have such a problem in our government because the government is not who we elected.
	We have got to fix the elections.
	And right now, with everything going on between Venezuela and Maduro and what we're getting out of Maduro and what we see happening in our country with the mass invasion of, you know, basically Trende Aragua and you name the terrorist regime that has infiltrated our borders and sent people in here.
	We have a crisis of epic proportions.
	Still don't have what I would consider a safe voting system right now.
	We still don't have the machine.
	We still have the machines and things are still connected to the internet.
	We still have access by foreign invaders and foreign countries that want to change our elections.
	The CIA has been working against us with Maduro in 72 countries the last 20 years to do regime change.
	We have been battling the globalists coming out of the city of London and they're using their, you know, their puppets around the world and their intelligence community around the world.
	You know this better than anybody.
	So I feel like we have got to get control of our elections.
	I do feel we have an opportunity with the people that are coming alongside us that we're having conversations with in Congress, in the White House right now, that want to see this solved, but trying to get these people to do that first in front of we have got to save and protect our elections.
	Because I contend, Kerry, that if we have a solid election, our country is going to look totally different in Congress next year.
	It's not going to look anything like that.
	Okay, well, excuse me if I'm a little skeptical.
	Please, by all means, and I'll tell you, I mean, I don't want to make that about the, you know, voter voters and all that.
	But what I do want to do is focus on the officials within our government, within Trump's cabinet, for example, because we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
	The military are the ones that are, you know, sort of going out and getting into the dumbs and rescuing children and then going into, you know, to stop the border invasion and all of these things.
	So, yes, it's a big order, and you do need to prioritize, but I believe they have enough people who, at least, someone in there.
	Now, I don't know how to name names as far as this goes, but is there someone who is within our cabinet, in Trump's new cabinet, who would have been the person who should have looked at this and could have asked, you know, just put, you know, Trump loves executive orders and just stop the short, naked short selling right out of the gate.
	I mean, why, again, I guess I'm, you know, I mean, I know I'm sort of challenging you here to come up with ideas, but why wasn't there someone who would put even an executive order to, you know, if you're hemorrhaging and you know you're hemorrhaging, and that's going to be obvious to Trump and to anyone, he's, again, having it happen to his own companies.
	They're attacking him like rabid dogs.
	Those are voters, okay?
	So maybe he doesn't want to piss them off.
	Really, I don't know their motivation because I don't know how politicians really think.
	It seems insane to me.
	But nonetheless, there basically could be someone who could have stopped the hemorrhaging.
	What the remedy is comes later, perhaps.
	But I'm telling you that I know about the QFS, that Paladin is a forensic financial investigator that I interviewed back in 2010 about the building of this quantum financial system.
	And who was that?
	Palmy Board was talking about it for years.
	Sorry?
	Who did you interview in 2010?
	Paladin.
	His name is Paladin, and he's part of the, it was called the White Hat Reports.
	It was a website, and it actually tracked the stolen money that goes all the way back to Lord Blackheath that was stood up in the parliament and actually spoke about the missing money, you know, missing money.
	And back in the day, Rumsfeld talked, Rumsfeld also talked about that.
	In other words, what we're talking about is financial scandal.
	And someone, like I said, could have put the stop on naked short selling.
	Okay, short selling is perfectly legal, but naked short selling where they don't settle the trade at the end of the day, that it even sounds illegal.
	Okay.
	And so why, again, I mean, just, you know, extra.
	It comes down to the SEC.
	It's because the people at the top are benefiting.
	It's not because we went to war with Venezuela over the stolen votes in the stolen system that they didn't deal with this.
	What I want to know is how are they benefiting?
	How would even the Trump administration, not even talking about Trump in particular, but just how would the administration going on even this time around for these four years?
	They've been in office now for one year.
	Why isn't naked short selling on the list, the top list?
	Because if I understand it correctly, we're actually talking about, I don't even know, but billions definitely being taken from investors worldwide under this umbrella of naked short selling.
	Okay.
	And you're telling me that no administration could walk in there and basically stop the hemorrhaging and then pull it all apart and analyze it.
	Listen, you are singing to the choir over here.
	We agree.
	This should absolutely be a top priority because from where I'm sitting, and maybe you agree, maybe you don't, but Wall Street and the bankers have been behind the funding of a lot of bad stuff using the intelligence community around the world, true or false.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	So yes.
	They're all in bed together, in other words.
	We're really saying.
	So let me walk you through because you're asking who can do something about this.
	Right.
	Well, Donald Trump, President Trump appointed Paul Atkins.
	He's now the chairman of the SEC.
	He's been chairman.
	I think he was sworn in in April or something.
	I think it was April.
	Yeah, April of this year.
	Hester Pierce, this is a name that comes up a lot.
	She's a Republican and she's the appointed commissioner.
	She's more of a lighter touch when it comes to regulatory philosophy, I guess.
	These folks, you know, the straight answer is, can we actually stop the naked short selling?
	Well, the naked short selling has to have a couple of different things have to happen in order to make that stop.
	But the primary authority on it all is the SEC.
	So they have, based on the statutes on the books, they have full statutory authority to stop the short selling.
	They can enforce what's called regulation show, which when you get these reports that shows all these failure, FTDs failure to deliver because there was short sales of a stock and they went to deliver and they couldn't because the thing didn't exist, right?
	The naked short selling, they're getting caught.
	When they get these reports and they're out of whack, like MMTLP was of being on the regulation show list, regulation show list.
	Boy, I'm tongue-tied today.
	Sorry about that.
	58 days, 75 days, whatever.
	That's extraordinary by and of itself.
	That should have been such a massive red flag on the field, Carrie, that the SEC and FENRA were in there going, now, what the heck is going on?
	And they would have had to look at these broker dealers and go, wait a minute, you, Mr. Broker Dealer, whether it was, you know, TradeStation or Schwab or whomever, you're selling stuff that doesn't exist.
	That's a no-no.
	You're not supposed to do that.
	So because the SEC has this power, they can mandate that if you've sold something you didn't have, you have to buy it back immediately.
	You have to produce it.
	So you have to get it.
	They can enforce the penalties for these FTDs.
	They should be investigating.
	This is what they're supposed to do.
	They're the regulators.
	They're supposed to investigate the brokers.
	They're supposed to investigate the market makers and any clearing firms that are allowing these transactions to go through.
	And then they're supposed to bring civil enforcement.
	So if they see all this and they're not doing that and they're not referring a case to the DOJ, then why the hell do we have them?
	This is because the SEC allows it.
	Actually, what I'm asking, and there's no motivation or it seems for people to blow the whistle on this.
	There isn't any motivation as long as they're still putting money in their pocket.
	And some of the folks I've spoken to, I'm not going to get into detail because I'm not sure I'm able to release this, but there is actual evidence of money that is flowing out of the country in relation to massive naked short selling.
	So, just like USA.
	That's very interesting.
	I mean, I don't know all the others.
	I want to elaborate where from our country to where Cayman Islands, you know, the usual place where they would deposit money.
	Not Ukraine.
	I don't think Ukraine was mentioned.
	No, I believe it's Cayman Islands.
	There's bank accounts down there.
	Okay, but because, in other words, when you let something go for this long, we understood there's a mafia and people are coerced and all of this.
	And this is actually happens at the top, the top ranks, right?
	The broker dealers, the overseers, you know, FINRA, SEC, have all turned a blind eye for many years, not just a few years.
	And I have a friend who is involved in all of this.
	And he and a partner, I believe, blew the whistle very early in this game.
	And I have suffered for it, actually, because they don't seem to be motivated to want to change gears.
	A lot of people are making a lot of money out of stealing from investors.
	And some of those investors are, you know, this is their life savings or this is their retirement savings.
	They put it in stocks hoping to see them go up.
	The last thing they want to see is them go down and them lose all their money.
	But that's what we're talking about.
	We're talking about Americans who are losing their money that they invested with all good faith in the stock market, not realizing that the very people that are supposedly handling all of this for us are on the take.
	I mean, it's, I don't know, it's, it just is insane.
	But I want to, you know, honor you because you're going to be involved in this and because you're putting your voice behind exposing this.
	I think it's great.
	You know, I wish you the best and I want my audience to support you in any way you need to be supported.
	Thank you.
	Well, it's not me.
	It's these wonderful people.
	It's as I keep telling them, this is their press conference.
	They've done 99% of the legwork.
	All I'm doing is providing a platform to give them some visibility.
	And hopefully, through some of the people that I know and they know, we can get some important meetings because, you know, you have FINRA failed them, the SEC failed them, the DTCC failed them.
	This is where clearing and settlement happens.
	Regulation show, like I said, they saw that this was happening, but it's supposed to prohibit it from happening.
	They knew it was happening and didn't do anything.
	They just let it happen.
	So the DOJ, they're supposed to look into things like fraud.
	This is clearly fraud.
	Market manipulation.
	Yep, it was market manipulation.
	Conspiracy.
	Yep.
	We just talked about the email between the parties.
	It is a conspiracy.
	It's a conspiracy in spades.
	Absolutely.
	But you know what?
	The DOJ typically is only going to act on something after there's a regulatory referral.
	Well, we haven't seen a regulatory referral.
	So now what do we have left?
	Congress.
	And I can tell you we're speaking to members of Congress and we're really pressuring for that, you know, for that referral to the DOJ.
	Because if we don't get a referral to the DOJ, and let's be honest, Carrie, you and I both know that DOJ has got a couple of people in there that are worth their salt.
	You know, the leadership has got to go.
	I don't know where Pam Bondi is.
	She could be getting her hair done for all I know for her next Fox News visit.
	But I hear from people that know what's going on in DC, specifically with her, she's not there very often.
	So we need to create that public pressure.
	And Congress rarely acts unless there's public pressure.
	That's why we're doing this press conference.
	And that's why we're going to be having some meetings with Congress because we believe that that public pressure will drive them to act and will force the DOJ into doing their job.
	Right.
	Okay.
	A long time coming, I have to say.
	And again, we're talking billions or even more than billions that from what I've read about this has been literally taken from investors around the world, but certainly in the United States.
	So it's a gambling casino with no oversight other than to make sure that the top level make money.
	You're right.
	There's no, I mean, naked short selling is going to continue and it has continued because it gives the market and the system liquidity that it really is starving for all the time.
	It wants that cash so it can go and do other things.
	And if you're naked short selling and you're, you know, say you're schwab and you're borrowing somebody's shares to sell them again, or you're just selling shares that don't exist, whichever you're doing, it's, you know, the SEC and FINRA and the DTCC all masked that systemic leverage because they were leveraging something they didn't have.
	And it only benefits those institutions.
	It's not benefiting you and me.
	If we buy something and we think we own it, come to find out we never owned it because it didn't exist, we're screwed.
	That's what happened to these MMTLP people.
	It's just absolutely terrible.
	And those that did actually own the stock got screwed because they halted the trading and they couldn't do anything with it.
	So all the way around, the people lost and the institutions win.
	It's not for the lack of rules.
	They have them.
	They just don't follow them.
	It's the lack of will.
	And that's these agencies.
	Because guess what, Carrie?
	And I know you know this, they aren't elected by you and me.
	These are appointed bureaucrats.
	So Congress is our choice.
	We choose those people most of the time.
	I think we found out our elections have been stolen, but okay, let's assume they're all in there by our choice.
	We've got to tell them, do your job.
	And so we're getting very vocal.
	I'm going to continue to be very vocal.
	And I think we might even, I'm hoping that Representative Tim Burchett, who has now been made chairman of Doge as of a few hours ago, I'm hoping he will take this seriously because this is a perfect, it's a textbook case and it's got all the evidence.
	It's open and shut.
	Open and shut.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, that's a sort of light at the end of the tunnel kind of thing.
	But I would actually think Burkett or Burchett, however you say his name, would have the, you know, hutzput or whatever you want to say.
	He's great.
	Actually take this thing by the horns and really go for it.
	So I want to thank you so much for being on the show.
	I don't want to keep you too long.
	I don't want you have to repeat yourself, you know, over.
	Oh, no, no.
	This is, I can't thank you enough for the opportunity because we want everybody understanding this.
	This is far bigger than MMTLP.
	This is a habitual problem of agencies ripping off the American consumer.
	Well, it's also, you know, Trump loves a winner and Trump loves an entrepreneur.
	Okay.
	He identifies with those people.
	And certainly what I understand from what I hear is that it actually seems to target middle to lower companies that are just entering the marketplace with their new products.
	And so what we're really looking at is a halt to innovation because if Europe's companies fold early on, then they don't get to roll out their great new products, their innovative products.
	Okay.
	And America is all about innovation.
	So if anything, if I was going to pull back the lens, I would say perhaps the overall Sort of modus operandi is to come in and shut those new entrepreneurs down so that we don't progress as a country and so that we're held back because by the very people that should be encouraging this are actually taking the money and running.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	It's insane.
	I mean, it's it's it's such a uh it's so completely opposite from make America great again that I think you know, if of any of any country, this is the place where that kind of thing can be the whistle can be blown and people can actually sit up, take notice.
	And Americans who have been frauded are more than willing to testify and do everything that's required because that is the American spirit, right?
	If you've been harmed by your government, of all things, or by your finance financial community, you know, then that's, you know, that that would just be exactly what an American would like to stand up against and make sure doesn't happen to their fellow man.
	And again, I think what we're looking at is a systematic squelching of entrepreneurship and just outright stealing.
	So I just have to say that.
	Can you do some wrap-up comments of anything that comes to mind for you?
	I'm dying for this opportunity because I don't know if you can see this, but I'm wearing a dog tag right here.
	All right.
	Can you see this dog tag?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	This is given to me by the Zidanek family, Jay and his beautiful family.
	His little girl Ava drew me a picture.
	They sent this.
	They all signed a Christmas card or a thank you card to me, excuse me, and drew me a Christmas tree.
	This is a family who lost a lot and it's impacting their children.
	And their children now understand the enormity of this.
	We're talking about little children that are getting it.
	They understand just how bad this is.
	And so when you start to look at just the human toll of what has happened here, people who took their lives because they couldn't face the fact that they weren't going to be able to provide for their family, people who serve their country with honor in our military that took their lives and those that didn't, but still lost everything.
	And this is the country they served, and yet the country they serve doesn't stand up for them.
	And you have agencies that are crushing the people.
	Listen, if you don't get out your Constitution and read this sucker, especially the Declaration of Independence, and look at the list of grievances, which by far are longer than the actual page and a half of the Declaration, read those grievances and ask yourself, aren't they doing the same thing and more to us today?
	And why do we allow it?
	56 men signed that their lives are fortunate sacred honor on that constitution and the declaration, excuse me, said we're done with this.
	And that was over far less than what they're doing to us today.
	And today, our government is far bigger than the Constitution would define it.
	We don't have agencies in this pamphlet right here.
	Nothing like it.
	We had 19 essential services, and yet here we are with thousands of agencies and private organizations that are acting like instruments of government so that they can have plausible deniability from the SEC and they can blame FINRA, just an organization.
	It's ridiculous on its face and it's got to stop.
	And the MMTLP community, the GameStop community, the AMC, the Bed Bath and Beyond, TMTG, all these communities that had their stocks shorted because FINRA and the SEC looked the other way.
	They are coming together and they're standing up.
	That's people governing, Carrie.
	And that makes me proud to be an American.
	Well, that's very good to hear.
	And that's kind of a high note to leave this interview on.
	I want to say I want to thank you so much for being clear, for wanting to come forward and answering my questions, which might have been driving you a little crazy there.
	But these are questions that everyone is going to ask.
	All of us are investors, I think, most everyone at some point.
	And a lot of us are entrepreneurs.
	And when you look at taking a company public, and this is what you're facing, if you should find out how they can just take you down overnight and make your stock go to zero, and how you can become a target, and they can just basically make you penniless.
	That's right.
	It's extraordinary that such a thing could be going on and for so long in this country.
	So I think it's very important that we highlight that.
	Thank you again.
	Thanks, everyone, for watching.
	Do you have any URLs or you can give me links afterwards?
	Yeah, sure.
	My URL is easy.
	It's my name, annvandersteel.com.
	It has all of my social links on there.
	And of course, our foundation is American Made Action, which is what we're taking on Monday is Action.
	That's our 501c4.
	And our foundation, which we do a lot of documentaries and we educate people through, is a 501c3 called American Made Foundation.
	So AmericanMadeFoundation, AmericanMadeAction.org.
	Great.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for being out there, fighting for the right of the people to actually exist and to benefit and to thrive.
	I think this is so important.
	We're never going to become great again, to use Trump's words.
	People don't stand up for people and make sure that we are not being frauded on a regular basis, like is obviously happening with big short selling and what's going on here.
	So thank you again.
	And thanks, everyone, for watching.
	Maybe we'll do a follow-up and see where things are going at a certain point after you've had your conference and after this has been brought into the limelight, so to speak.
	And I hope that I would appreciate that.
	I know the community would.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, very good.
	And I'm going to have you back on the show in the future, the near future, I hope, to do some other things.
	Carrie, to your exceptional work over the years, you've done, you've gone where most people won't go.
	So talk about a pioneer.
	I'm looking at one right now.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Well, back at you.
	All right.
	And take care.
	And thanks again, everyone, for watching.
	Bye-bye.
	And I'll just be running the credits here so you can go ahead and disappear.
	And thank you so much.
	Oh, Carrie, you're so lovely.
	Thank you very much.
	And I appreciate that.
	I'm sorry.
	It sounded a little confusing.

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