Project Camelot - UFOIB INTERVIEW WITH KERRY CASSIDY: 20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY WHISTLEBLOWER TESTIMONY

Nov. 11, 2025 - Project Camelot

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UFOIB INTERVIEW WITH KERRY CASSIDY: 20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY WHISTLEBLOWER TESTIMONY

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	Welcome to the Bureau, the official podcast of the International UFO Bureau, founded in 1957 and reimagined for today.
	We're fusing decades of discovery with Next Gen Tech to uncover the truth about unidentified anomalous phenomena.
	Join Executive Director Terry Keel, CEO Mindy Totfest, and Director of Research, Melissa Madrigal.
	Three generations, one mission, to investigate the unknown and bring the truth into focus.
	This is The Bureau.
	Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Bureau, where three generations of women come together to discuss the truth behind unidentified anomalous phenomena.
	I'm your host, Mindy Totfest, and I am joined today by my two lovely co-hosts, Miss Melissa Madrigal and Miss Terry Ling Kill.
	Welcome, ladies.
	Hi, thank you for coming.
	I'm a little tongue-tied today.
	I used to be tongue-tied.
	What's going on?
	We're getting close to Halloween, and of course, it's my favorite time of year.
	So, lots of activity and excitement around my house as we get into the Halloween season just a couple days away.
	And 3E Atlas is supposed to be making its closest approach to the sun here pretty soon within the next couple of days.
	So, we'll be keeping an eye on that.
	So, yeah.
	Melissa, I know we were talking right before we came on, and you were looking at some of the historical cases.
	I'd love to hear what you have to say.
	Yeah, perfect good time.
	On October 28, 2014, something extraordinary happened at a small private school in Ruwa, Zimbabwe.
	Over 60 school children ages 6 to 12 were outside for recess when they witnessed something that changed their lives forever.
	A small disc-shaped craft reportedly landed just beyond the edge of the playground.
	Out of it came one or more strange being described as thin, dark-suited, with large black eyes and a presence that felt non-human.
	What makes this case so significant isn't just the number of witnesses, it's the consistency.
	Dozens of children from different backgrounds described the same thing, a hovering craft, beings that didn't speak out loud, and messages that were felt and not heard about earth, technology, and the future that they didn't fully understand at the time.
	Harvard psychiatrist Dr. John Mack traveled to Zimbabwe to investigate.
	And what he found wasn't hysteria, it was clarity, fear, and emotional truth.
	Even decades later, many of those children, now adults, still stand by what they say.
	The aerial school encounter has become one of the most powerful emotionally charged cases in UFO history, not because of what was seen, but because of what was felt and what was left behind in the hearts of the children who will never forget.
	Yes, that is really something because that particular case, Dr. John Mack, who was an amazing psychiatrist, really was a pilgrim at that point coming in new and doing something like this with the kids for the first time.
	So it was so interesting to watch this all unravel back in that day.
	And when I read about it, I was just blown away and later met all of those children as adults, several of them, not all of them.
	I think there were five of them that came over from Zimbabwe and just amazing.
	It has really affected them.
	Their lives had changed.
	They all did something different than what maybe they thought they might do.
	And it was all because of this.
	So just amazing.
	Was that at a conference or were you investigating this?
	Yes, yes.
	Paula Harris, a good friend of mine, and she did Starworks a long time ago.
	And she brought a lot of them over.
	And so we were talking with them and having dinner with them and discussing what they saw as little kids.
	And it was just amazing, really surreal to talk with these people who experienced this.
	Their teachers were freaked out.
	Their families were freaked out.
	Everybody was freaked out because that was really the big first time little children were involved.
	And each one had the same story.
	And, you know, so much way back then was always made up as the giggle factor.
	It was like it wasn't real, but it was real.
	And those children proved it.
	And thank God for Dr. John Mack, who did an excellent job working with those children.
	Yeah, he's picked his career on that.
	And one more thing, Melissa.
	You as a millennial made this about you.
	Yeah.
	You did.
	It actually happened in 1994.
	You had said it.
	I have two dates on here.
	I wrote October 28, 2004, and October 28th, 1994.
	So yeah, that was.
	It's mine.
	It's Jeanette.
	Well, I only say this because the schoolyard encounters are so near and dear to my heart with investigating a major one here in Oklahoma.
	And Terry was the same thing where the students, even years later, were saying the same things.
	And these people had lost touch for 30 years and they still remembered the same things.
	And there were little inconsistencies, which told me they were telling the truth.
	So interesting, interesting encounter.
	Very much so.
	So our second one, this one happened October 26th in 1954.
	Towards the end of October, a wave of strange activity swept across the Greek islands.
	Starting October 26th, the Anti-Makia on the islands of Kaz, locals reported a blinding bright object described as a basket shape that changed direction nearly instantly and moved with dramatic ability.
	Over the next few days, October 27th to the 31st, similar reports started coming in from nearby islands.
	Lemnos, Rhodes, Lesvos describing that discs shaped, sorry, describing disc-shaped and cigar-like objects that hovered, darted, and moved in coordinated patterns.
	The entire communities saw these things.
	Police stations were telereports.
	Villagers described lights, sounds, vibrational shifts, and in some cases, possible landings or contact with the terrain.
	And this wasn't a single witness trying to get attention.
	This was multiple islands, multiple nights, and groups of people all describing the exact same thing.
	In modern times, we would call this a multi-location cluster event, the kind that forms a field pattern.
	For me, these are the kinds of cases that I keep an eye on when people describe a complex of lights in the sky, sound, vibration, and something that feels like it moves through the body.
	They might not use the word frequency, but that is what they are describing.
	And when the same pattern shows up in different places in different years, it definitely starts to look like something intentional, not random, and not isolated.
	There's a lot of those that have been reported, actually, and very interesting.
	I have heard even recently that some people are saying the ones that are glowing almost like orbs like on fire could actually be something profound.
	I don't want to even bring it up yet because I'm still learning about it and looking into it.
	And it's just amazing.
	I watched a study called Clouds That Are Not Clouds.
	And some of these things come out of the clouds and go back into the clouds.
	And so stay tuned.
	We'll be talking about that sometime.
	Well, most of them are orange glowing orbs that we hear about.
	And you mentioning clouds.
	I remember driving through Tulsa.
	It's probably 10 years ago that I saw a green ball come out of it.
	And I always wondered if it was ball lightning or whatnot, but a lot of these orange orbs are directly associated with a larger craft or they're not associated with any kind of a thunderstorm activity.
	Me being here in Oklahoma, pretty much every day is thunderstorm activity.
	But the orange orbs are very interesting.
	And I had no idea about this one, Melissa.
	So good job.
	Yeah.
	And I just might add that ball lightning is so incredibly interesting.
	Isn't it?
	And it is interesting to watch.
	It's amazing.
	It's mind-boggling because you're looking at something that you just can't wrap your mind around.
	But it's so interesting.
	It's actually quite beautiful.
	Very dangerous, but incredibly rare.
	Yeah.
	I've seen a few TikToks, though, with people claiming that there was ball lightning inside a store.
	It was completely AI.
	I don't know if I've ever seen a real video of ball lightning.
	I actually have.
	Yeah.
	It's very interesting.
	It is.
	It's cool to watch.
	It's mesmerizing almost.
	Yeah, it is.
	You just don't even want to take your eyes off of it.
	know.
	Yeah.
	For our last one, which is perfect timing, it's called the Halloween UFO wave.
	In the final two weeks of October 1973, leading up to the days of Halloween, something swept across the skies over the American Midwest.
	It started as a few isolated reports, lights in the distance, silent objects hovering in open fields.
	But by the time Halloween rolled around, those scattered sightings had become a regional wave.
	In Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky, dozens of people from farmers to police officers described glowing crafts, metallic discs, and objects moving in sharp, unnatural patterns.
	Some described the lights.
	Some described lights that would hover low, pulse, and then vanish.
	Others said the crap would stop mid-air, shift direction, and move against the wind.
	One of the most chilling accounts comes from an Army Reserve helicopter crew flying near Mansfield, Ohio.
	They encountered a red light that closed in on them, then a large structured object that seemed to place their helicopter in mid-air, pace their helicopter in mid-air.
	My apologies.
	The pilot reported radio interference and described the object as metallic with a dome-like top, no wings, no rotors, no sound.
	Newspaper headlines at the time reference a UFO invasion over Ohio, and local police were fielding 30 to 40 calls a night describing the same kind of things, not just lights, but movements, pressure changes, and the presence that felt close.
	Again, when you have multi-location sightings, aircraft interaction, EM interference, and witness describing light, sound, vibration, and something they can't quite explain, that moves this from, that moves from them.
	That's when it moves out of the anecdotal into the measurable field event.
	And 50 years later, we're still seeing the same patterns unfold in different skies and with different names.
	That is incredibly true.
	We are.
	And the patterns really are something that are helping us link all of these things together.
	We're seeing patterns.
	We're able to see where they're coming in, how they're coming in.
	And we need to find out who's bringing them in.
	And again, that's what our studies are all about is, you know, what's guiding them in.
	We all know they're out there, but who's in charge?
	Who's in control?
	And where are they coming from?
	So these are things that I can't wait to talk about at another time because we've got to bring on our guest for tonight.
	We have Carrie Lynn Cassidy with us tonight, and she's the CEO and founder of Project Camelot and Project Camelot TV Network.
	And she's an investigative journalist, producer, and documentary filmmaker.
	She's spent 20 years interviewing thousands of whistleblowers, especially within the secret space program known as the SSP.
	A former Hollywood professional and remote viewer practitioner, Carrie's work spans global conferences, documentaries, and a viral alternative news presence.
	She has experienced multiple UFO sightings herself and continues to challenge mainstream narratives through her telegram channel, podcast network, and media output.
	So please join me in welcoming Carrie to our show here at International UFO Bureau.
	Hi, Carrie.
	Hi.
	There are so many questions I have.
	I love hearing about your remote viewing.
	That I can't wait to touch on at some point.
	But I'll let Mindy start us off here.
	I won't jump right in and ask you all my questions first.
	I locked into that too.
	I wasn't aware that you were doing remote viewing as well.
	So Carrie, I am learning all about you today.
	Can you back up and kind of tell our listeners a little bit about what sparked your interest in UFO research and kind of kicked off Project Hamelot?
	Sure.
	And hi, everyone.
	I started way back before I went public, if you will, and I worked in the movie business.
	I was very impressed by the Steven Spielberg Close Encounters of the Third Kind, because that matched some of my information that I was coming across.
	So I was abducted around the age of 12.
	And I've always been aware of other sort of dimensions, other beings.
	And I thought most people were, but I found as I grew up that that wasn't the case.
	And so, I mean, what I can say is that I was always sort of one foot in this world and one foot in other worlds, which I think everyone is.
	They just don't maybe acknowledge it as much.
	So that inspired me to do what I ended up doing.
	But I didn't, I actually fell into this angle.
	What I wanted to do is make feature films, you know, sci-fi blockbusters like Spielberg.
	And actually, I'm still working in that towards towards that goal.
	So what happened was I worked in Hollywood for 20 years.
	I went up through the sort of, I guess, hierarchy.
	I reached a glass ceiling.
	I was unable to push beyond it because one of the things in order to sort of get into the, you have to join the old boys club, at least we did back then.
	And then you get a mentor kind of person or a few of them, and then they kind of bring you in.
	And especially for women, I think it's a lot like that.
	Now, it was like that then.
	It's probably gotten a little better now.
	But now we still have a limited number of women that make it into being directors.
	Plenty of women producers.
	So, and of course, women have also risen as stars.
	So whereas the guy used to be the hero all the time, and then women are now actually, you can see just across the board that they're really garnering the limelight.
	And that's, I think, a wonderful thing.
	So anyway, that was the beginning.
	I was interested in, I became a journalist in college.
	So I was also something of a radical.
	I interviewed radicals about what they were doing.
	I interviewed Bobby Seale and Angela Davis and many others.
	I grew up in, I should say, Northern California, so you can place me where I was.
	I went to Sonoma State University.
	I graduated from there, and then I did graduate work there in sociology, all the ologies, so to speak.
	You know, communism, feminism, you name it.
	I was doing that.
	And then I was also writing for the school paper and doing, as I say, some interviews even then.
	And then eventually I decided to get into acting and directing.
	And I went down to Hollywood to break into the business.
	I was in my 20s at that point.
	And I also, I only stayed there a little while.
	And then I applied to NYU School of Film and Television, Graduate School.
	And I got in.
	But when I arrived in New York City, I didn't have the, I couldn't get a loan to actually go to the school.
	And so what happens is that I was put into a situation where I decided to study acting and directing on my own.
	And I went to a very amazing teacher who studied and taught the Sanford Meisner method in Carnegie Hall.
	And he was very famous back in those days.
	His name was Robert X. Motica.
	So I studied, I would work during the day in the film industry doing sort of lower level jobs.
	And then I would at night study in this acting class and directing.
	And I would do that in Carnegie Hall.
	So until like from 6 p.m. at night until 12 midnight.
	And it was kind of an unusual, very intense.
	And it was behind the Carnegie Hall.
	There are tons of little studios, if you don't know.
	And that's where a lot of dancers learn their craft and actors and directors and all kinds of crafts.
	So art, really.
	And so that's what I would, that was my trajectory early on.
	And I still was on this path to want to become a director, but it seemed very difficult to actually jump that hoop.
	And eventually I lived four years in New York doing what I was doing and also got involved in the music business to a degree and so on and so forth.
	And then I went into back to California.
	I went back to LA.
	I got a job at HBO and I was working in the film and television special projects area and doing coverage of possible movie scripts and that kind of thing.
	And then I did coverage for all the major agencies at the time.
	So I was kind of climbing that ladder, I guess you might say.
	And still in my mind was to do sci-fi blockbusters.
	Terry, let me stop you here.
	I'm just amazed.
	I'm sorry.
	Like taking all of this in, you are bullheaded.
	Like if you're not here in the club, we would call you bullheaded.
	You sound like the type of person nothing was going to stop you.
	And I just give you huge kudos because you were working against everything and nothing was going to stop you.
	I just, I love that about you.
	So I don't want to interrupt, but the whole time we're talking about you.
	Yes.
	It is true.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	That's nice to hear.
	So anyway, that was my movie business background.
	So when I got into the UFO world, I, again, I'm bouncing back to my, when a 12-year-old contactee abductions, I saw ghosts.
	You know, people see ghosts, that kind of thing.
	And very psychic intuitive.
	So, and back then we didn't have remote viewing really going on.
	So I decided that I, you know, I kept doing jobs in Hollywood.
	I also went to the UCLA film and television executive program.
	And I also did an MBA executive program in that context because I decided that as an art artist in the field, I wanted to learn the business side.
	So that's why I went to UCLA, the executive program.
	And I got in there because I actually, at a certain point, Hollywood had, I think it was a writer's strike.
	It became difficult to get jobs in entertainment.
	So I went to JPL, Jet Propulsion Lab, pardon NASA, and I was writing screenplays on my lunch hour.
	And I was dealing with scientists and engineers at Jet Propulsion Lab, which was an eye-opener for me.
	I never dealt with those kind of people, having come from a Hollywood background in most of my, you know, job life, I guess, whatever you want to call that career up to then.
	And I was like astounded by things like, you know, they would have meetings and then they would just, someone would have an idea and they would speak about it.
	And then the other people would just put them down and criticize it, like right out in the open.
	It was like astonishing.
	These people were not nice to each other.
	So I learned a lot though.
	And it was fascinating.
	So I was involved in the lab, as they call it, for a few years working there.
	And then eventually they wrote me a letter of recommendation that got me into the UCLA film and the executive program and so on.
	So it kind of things bounced off each other.
	And I, I, you know, I, okay, so I became what you call a back pocket client at CAA back in the day.
	And I know this is, I people might think I'm just making this stuff up, but this really happened.
	So I wrote, I actually did something in legal.
	I wrote a screenplay adaptation of a Latin American novel by Mario Vargas Yosa called War of the Worlds or something like that.
	I forget the name.
	And I decided I will just try writing an adaptation because I love the book.
	The book fell at my feet when I was in a bookstore in Venice, California.
	And I was fascinated by it.
	And I had studied some Latin American art and various things that kind of maybe attracted me to it.
	And so then I submitted it.
	I had a girlfriend that worked at CAA and through her, I submitted my screenplay.
	I got Steven Spielberg's agent to represent me loosely as a, what you call a back pocket client.
	And then he brought me in his office.
	They said that my screenplay was brilliant, but what did I want to do?
	Because I'd never sell it.
	And so then they said, well, if you want to do rewrites, you could do that.
	And I was not so keen.
	Back in the day, I now think that was ridiculous, what I did, but I kind of rejected the idea of being a rewrite person because I wanted to kind of be more of an art auteur director going down that road.
	And so they, you know, basically it went nowhere after that.
	But I was, I could use them to submit my projects to places and so on and so forth, that particular agent.
	And then I went to work for MGM UA.
	I got involved in casting.
	And I mean, it was just an ongoing thing.
	So I don't want to take the whole time here with my.
	How did you get into the UFO field?
	And you were interviewing all these thousands, literally thousands of UFO people.
	Well, what happened was I got kind of burnt out at a certain point with everything I was trying to do.
	And my mother passed away.
	So I had a small inheritance.
	And so I just got the bright idea one day to go down and pick up a consumer grade camcorder.
	And I decided I would start interviewing people because I had a background as a journalist.
	And so my first interview was Robert Salas, who is different than Michael Sala.
	They're two different people.
	And so he was, he's, you know, military guy who was reporting on the missiles.
	Astro, the Minot and the other kinds of missiles that were being flown over by UFOs.
	And he was recording that story.
	So he happened to live near me.
	And I was in the general LA area and I got an invitation to go interview him in person.
	That was, I think, my very first interview in this whole world in that sense.
	And then I, but I, again, I had studied acting and directing and done acting myself and been in some commercials and whatnot.
	So it wasn't unfamiliar.
	And I've been on lots of sets and all that kind of thing.
	So with my little camera and no lights, no, no fancy anything, no crew, I just went and interviewed him.
	Then I decided I was going to make a UFO documentary.
	So I attended a UFO conference that was actually happening in Hollywood.
	Almost never happens now, but back in those days, they were doing conferences in Hollywood.
	And even some producers and various people would show up, known people.
	They wouldn't be on stage or anything.
	They were just kind of hunting around for stories and that sort of thing.
	So, and I still have the little documentary I made back in the day.
	It's called Have You Seen a UFO.
	And the reason I made it like that was because I was listening to speakers on the stage talking about the whole scene with the ufology.
	And I noticed that none of them talked about having their own encounters.
	And this is way back when in the day, because I started in 2005, when they wouldn't talk about alien abductions or alien interactions.
	That was actually bad form or whatever they were doing back then.
	So I started interviewing a very well-known speakers that were on the circuit at the time, like Jim Mars and various others, I guess they're all in my documentary.
	And you can actually watch my documentary.
	It's on my website.
	You just put in have you seen a UFO or just UFO and you'll find it.
	So that was my kind of launching into the sector.
	And I started to go to conferences.
	And then I met Bill Ryan, who was my first partner in Project, and we decided to create Project Camelot because when I met him, he was representing what's called Serpo.org, which was from the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	He was, there was this project that was run by the DIA and Defense Intelligence Agency.
	And he became sort of a, loosely speaking, a spokesperson and a webmaster for that project that was being, there was a news group that was put together by a guy named Victor.
	And he had, I brought a bunch of journalists, people that were intelligence agents and ex-military, and all these people on this news group.
	And then they would trade information back and forth.
	And so it was amazing that I got onto the news group.
	I don't know.
	Someone must have noticed me or something.
	And Bill was also on there.
	And that's how I met him.
	And I invited him for an interview.
	I went to the conference.
	I showed up with my little camcorder, no lights, no anything fancy.
	And he had just gotten interviewed because he was a speaker at the conference.
	He had just gotten interviewed by crews with, you know, people.
	And so he looked at me and I said, are you ready for the interview?
	And when I went up to him, I made an appointment a few months ahead.
	And he kind of looked at me like, who the hell are you?
	And I said, you know, you can come with me.
	And I brought him up to my hotel room and I set up my little tripod.
	And then I just, you know, I did my thing, which, you know, which I'm still doing.
	And I answered him questions, asked him questions, and he gave very good answers.
	We had a good rapport and eventually published that online and it was very popular.
	And he and I really hit it off as friends.
	And so then I basically took my mother's inheritance, what was left of it, and I flew first to Egypt and went with Jordan Maxwell and William Henry on a tour of Egypt that was looking for Atlantis because I've always been fascinated by Atlantis.
	And I interviewed Jordan Maxwell.
	He's a very famous guy, if you don't know who he is.
	And he's passed on, sadly, since then, but he was a brilliant researcher, absolutely brilliant.
	And but on the trip, while we were going through the temples, I was bothering him with my camcorder and trying to get an interview with him.
	And so he finally let me and he said, you can never release this until I tell you.
	And so what happened was it was all about his encounters with UFOs and aliens.
	And at the time, he was on the circuit, but he was never talking about his encounters.
	So a few years later, it got looser and people were more interested in not just the craft, but who was driving the craft.
	So my interview was important.
	And eventually I got a major interview with him that I think was quite, you know, had we just hit the ground running.
	Bill Ryan had a background in, what do you call it? Executive training.
	So he was training people.
	He was sort of an Indiana Jones type.
	And so he was, I taught him how to use the camera.
	And we decided to create Project Camelot when we were, I went to England after Egypt.
	And I asked him to show me around to all the stone circles and that sort of thing.
	And he took me to the former home, one of them of King Arthur.
	And I had downloads and recall.
	And I had had a fascination all my life with King Arthur and Guinevere.
	And I believed I knew him.
	And Psychics had told him that he was King Arthur, the last of the Arthur line, as someone who came forward during those years.
	And I had a background thinking I was Guinevere for whatever reason.
	And that's all in my book, Rebel Gene.
	So you can read about that.
	But this is the background of Project Camelot.
	And Bill and I only lasted for about two years.
	This year, we had arguments.
	He had a girlfriend.
	She didn't like me.
	She wanted him to be the star.
	You know, there was all kinds of crazy stuff going on, differences of creative differences, I think we say in Hollywood.
	And so then we split up.
	And then I just continued with Project Camelot since I'd really started it with the camcorder and all of that.
	Yeah.
	So that's history.
	I think you've interviewed over 3,000 people, right?
	Yes.
	There has to be, is there reoccurring patterns or themes that you see while interviewing that many people?
	Sure.
	Now, let me clarify because not all my interviews are with whistleblowers.
	I mean, I cover everything.
	So like during COVID, I interviewed doctors, alternative doctors, and really got the word out on that.
	One thing that has helped me over and over again has been my intuitive downloads and my knowledge in that background.
	So when I'm in an interview situation, interviewing someone else, I actually get information coming at me.
	Like for one person that I interviewed was Erin McCullum, who was a dolphin-human hybrid, created as a dolphin-human hybrid by the military, which this kind of thing they do.
	So I'm all dealing with secrets, conspiracies of all kinds.
	And because I grew up with a certain mindset, you know, talking to ghosts and this and that, you know, having verification of these things.
	And I love mysteries and I don't close my mind to things.
	So I don't like decide something and then close the door.
	I do make, I do come to conclusions or possible conclusions or theories, but I always keep an open mind of everything.
	You know, it just happens to be the way I am.
	So that's really assisted me in what I do.
	And so I have, you know, the real meat and potatoes of Project Camelot was, is, was and is our whistleblower testimonies.
	But as time went on, you may know that Julian Assange and Edward Snowden were used as examples of whistleblowers and they threw the book at them, you know, that kind of thing.
	So since that time, whistleblowers have been much more reticent about coming forward.
	And if you listen to the UAP hearings recently, then you will see that Grush talks about how they are being persecuted, even him for their testimony, even today.
	And there's a person who testified at the recent UAP hearing called, last name Borland, and he was on a military base where he lived.
	He saw a UFO come forward and sort of towards him.
	He told that story.
	He didn't have, he didn't, to his knowledge, have, you know, ET encounters or anything like that.
	That was it.
	He saw a UFO, but he told some of his, you know, military mates.
	And basically it got back to the, I guess, command structure.
	And he got brought in for questioning and tests and all kinds of crazy stuff.
	And he was persecuted, basically.
	He got fired from his job that he had and his whole got lost all of his.
	It's all actually on an interview that he did with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel.
	They really, they did like a series.
	It's, I think there are three all together.
	And I post, I post everything on my Telegram.
	So you can, anything I'm researching, I'm currently researching is on there.
	And articles that I think are worth seeing, even things I disagree with, I put on there from time to time because, and then I do a whole commentary.
	And I do this at like three in the morning.
	I've just been on this story as an investigator for, you know, for really 20 years.
	And it never got boring.
	You know, now I seem to have reached some kind of semi-pinnacle.
	We're really at the verge of disclosure, as you may know.
	And it's gotten a bit repetitive for me at this time in terms of trying to push the envelope forward and getting pushed back.
	I have had, you know, they've tried to kill me.
	They also tried to kill us in the early days.
	And, you know, I've had all kinds of crazy stuff going on in that regard.
	People don't understand that.
	They don't understand the risks that a lot of us go through.
	The harassment.
	I'm sure you've had threats and all kinds of stuff.
	And especially being a woman in the UFO sphere, how much we put up with that.
	I think it goes unspoken quite a bit, but I'm sure you've dealt with your fair share of it after 20 years.
	But kudos to you for seeing it through 20 years now.
	That's incredible.
	Thank you.
	And there are a lot who have been actually killed, like Dr. Carlotta Turner and, gosh, I can't think of the guy's name at the moment, Don't Get Old.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, several of my whistleblowers have died.
	They've killed them.
	You know, and I, you know, and some people don't realize that they were murdered as opposed to having, you know, a timely death of whatever it was.
	You know, arguably some of the great whistleblowers have been killed or had early deaths, you know, and so on and so forth.
	And I have a whole list of those people.
	Oh, I know.
	I do too.
	I'm just not looking at it.
	Let me ask you, though, Carrie, looking back over this span of these thousands of interviews, was there ever anyone that really stood out and changed your perspective basically forever?
	It played into your life in such a way that it really changed you.
	Well, the funny thing about my life, again, is also because I was, by the way, I didn't say this, but I was very into Eastern philosophy and I had traveled to India and Egypt before the first time I went, the time I went there with William Henry and so on.
	And I have past life recall as well.
	And so I have knowledge.
	I seem to have a knowledge base that I bounce off of.
	So a lot of times, like I was into Atlantis, I was just going to see more things about Atlantis when I followed that trail.
	And I just have recall.
	And when I go to a foreign place, it triggers that recall.
	So I will have downloads.
	I can even bi-locate before going there.
	I have all kinds of information come at me.
	And I will be right.
	I mean, I've tested some of this stuff.
	Like I was with someone, a friend, and I was at a castle in England a few years ago.
	And we were investing, it was all, you know, gone.
	Just the foundation was left.
	And we were walking around and I came around the corner and I said, and that's where the kitchen was.
	And then planted in the ground was a little thing saying kitchen.
	So, you know, I've had these kinds of things go on in my life a lot.
	You know, I get advanced knowledge.
	So I don't, you know, I just want to say that happens, you know, with Aaron McCullum.
	I knew, I knew that he was a dolphin-human hybrid.
	I don't know how I knew or how it came to me during the interview to ask him that question.
	And he said, yes, you know, before the interview, I didn't know that, you know, what I'm saying.
	So, in other words, these things and, you know, getting to know it's very different than people might realize when you're in the presence of people who've actually been in the secret space program, who have dedicated their lives in many cases, like 40 years of their life, their working life, working in secret.
	And they come forward as whistleblowers because they can reach a certain age and they realize that humanity needed to know this stuff.
	They need to know the truth.
	And it would prey upon their conscience as they got closer and closer to dying and so on and so forth.
	So that really inspired them.
	And so being in the presence and becoming even friends with a lot of these people, I guess, you know, it just broke through any barriers one might have of the believability because when you're listening to them, and I always put the camera like right on them, Even when it goes back and forth between me and the person, it's like a two-hour concentrated interview.
	And back in the early days, I did these in person and traveling the world.
	And so, what happens is you get to know them like it's a visceral thing, right?
	Yes.
	You get the sense of, and I've always had a really good sense of what resonates and what's true.
	And so, people can tell me things that they are convinced of, even.
	And if it doesn't hit me right, it just doesn't hit me right.
	And I've been, it's been tested for 20 years, this sort of technique, whatever, whatever you want to call it.
	And then I'm also told that I think what happens is I create a field of resonance with the guest, and then they want to tell me the truth.
	So now there's a warning gone out to all the whistleblowers that the deep state keeps them away from me.
	And even the white hats now want to keep these people away from me because if they're in my presence, they'll tell the truth.
	And one of the most striking times of that was with what's called Juan O'Savin, who I say is in disguise.
	And I have a whole background for my investigation on that.
	And, you know, I got to know him and over the phone and both and in person.
	And in person and on the phone, he said, after the first time I ever interviewed him in 2021, he said at the very end of the interview, he would never do another interview with me because I would make him break his security oath.
	That is how he put it.
	And I'm not trying to do that.
	I want to do that.
	I don't want to put somebody in danger.
	You know, I usually even warn people before I interview them of all the possible ways they might be, you know, harassed and various things.
	But anyway, so that goes on.
	So that's my background in interviewing and how I've interviewed these amazing people.
	And when you're in their presence and they're telling you the stories, you know, Bob Dean, amazing man, you know, he's a truth teller.
	You know, that's what he was.
	And he was a wonderful man.
	And he said I made him a rock star.
	And Clifford, you know, Clifford is as well.
	Love him.
	Yeah.
	And I had a wonderful interview with him.
	And then we got Bob and him together one time.
	But they paid for their sort of fame in the UFO community because, like Clifford, I think he lost his son in a motorcycle accident, so it's so-called.
	And Bob Dean's daughter, I guess, supposedly committed suicide or something of that nature.
	These are things that the deep state will do payback on whistleblowers.
	So if someone was part of their world, which is the secret space program, which if you see my William Tompkins interview, you'll understand the background there where it was created in part.
	Obviously, the paperclip Nazis were involved there.
	But on top of it, according to William Tompkins, who was a major whistleblower and has passed on, supposedly, another of my whistleblowers.
	And he was interviewed constantly by Gaia TV, was paid for the interviews.
	I did a three-hour interview with him that basically is chock full of all of his information.
	At the end of it, he said he loved me.
	He has direct connections with Pleiadians, as I supposedly do as well.
	And so what happens is that he said that he was going to do a second interview with me.
	And then the night before the interview, he called me up and he said, never speak to me again, never talk to me again, never, I cannot, you know, never call me, I cannot speak with you.
	And he basically had the interview.
	And then about a month later, he supposedly fell down the stairs and died.
	Oh, my heavens.
	So, you know, it sounds like fun and games.
	It's a fascinating job to do, but it has its dark side.
	It does.
	Yeah, we're on a strange journey here in the land of the living, that's for sure.
	It never ceases to amaze us.
	Well, that's something that we've even discussed within the Bureau is about people coming forward, especially with Dr. Rogers coming forward with his information on reverse engineering is the risks that are involved in not violating those oaths.
	I mean, that's something that we have to take very seriously and protect those that are wanting to come forward and share what they can without violating any oaths, with staying within the pattern or the outlet that's laid out as far as like the military or whatnot and getting their clearances to be able to release some of the information.
	So, Corey, I wanted to ask you with all these people that you've interviewed, have you come across anybody that seemed to be more a disinfo agent or coming forward to plant false information there?
	Because we know that that was happening quite a bit.
	Well, I will say that whistleblowers sometimes pepper their interviews, you know, with disinfo.
	So they will take a person off track.
	And a lot of people are very easily led, if you will.
	Now, one of our famous whistleblowers is Henry Deacon.
	His real name, he came out under his real name eventually called Arthur Neumann.
	And, you know, the Von Neumann last name is very famous in the sort of halls of the UFO community.
	So I don't know if he changed his last name or he's really von Neumann.
	But at any rate, we interviewed him and he worked at a very famous lab and was very sort of, he worked in not just see in the whole secret space program and space programs in general.
	They have what we call silos, where the right hand doesn't really know what the left hand's doing.
	That's a method of keeping things secret.
	But he was, I guess, multi-talented.
	So he ended up working in many different areas and he was extremely knowledgeable.
	He had a huge conscience that drove him forward.
	So he actually came forward as a whistleblower, not as old as some of them.
	In other words, some of them that I've interviewed, fabulous men, have been in their 80s by the time they got the crisis and decided they were going to tell the truth.
	In this case, he was not that old.
	He was maybe close to 60s, you know, retirement age or whatever, but in the younger side.
	And he did say that he would go to Mars and have lunch on Mars through, at the time they called it a jump room.
	You know, it's a portal.
	And then he would come back to Earth and he worked.
	He was involved in 9-11 in what happened there.
	And, you know, he had an incredible amount, you know, background, you know, as I say, being on Mars and working on Mars on and off and all that.
	So you asked me what is the biggest thing.
	You know, the person is talking about, you know, living and working on Mars for different, you know, short times and then also longer.
	And, you know, in a common way, like that, it's not surprising type of thing.
	And because of the vetting we did on him and the amount of time we spent with him, we got to know him very well.
	And I, anyway, so what can I tell you?
	One of the things is that Bob Dean, there is a scene that happened with the exopolitics Barcelona.
	There was a conference and Bill and I were invited to do to host a roundtable of speakers at the conference.
	And so we were there in person and Henry Deacon at the time was gone under an assumed name Henry Deacon.
	He was invited as a result of doing a prior conference where he came on stage as a whistleblower, you know, that we had sort of put out there.
	And then they invited him to speak on, you know, at that conference, but they never gave him actually an allotted time.
	They put him up in a room and paid his way.
	And then he went on stage after Bob Dean had talked about Mars for like an hour and it was lunch hour.
	And so I actually encouraged him to go on stage and meet Bob Dean in person and talk about having worked on Mars.
	So he'd already done that on our website and in our interviews.
	But he went on stage and then they stopped the conference and they threw us off the stage.
	And Stephen Greer was somehow secretly involved in them stopping us.
	And he, I mean, I've told these stories before a long time ago, but I haven't revisited them much.
	But he was, I believe, threatened by Stephen Greer, who was working for a certain agency.
	We also did an interview with Stephen Greer at that conference behind the, you know, the scene.
	And I didn't want to interview him at all.
	It's a famous interview in which he and I have quite a argument about what the lies he tells and so on and so forth.
	So there's a lot that has gone on with various whistleblowers and how they're allowed to speak or they're not allowed to speak, how they're stopped and various things like that.
	You know, we wanted to talk about the three eye atlas, but we have a question from the audience.
	And the question is for you, Carrie.
	Are you still following Ashayana Dean workshops?
	Ashaina moved to Ireland permanently.
	Is she planning to do a follow-up interview with her?
	Well, I have, you know, I've been in touch with her in the past and I have a direct line to her.
	I interviewed her.
	We did, I think it was a six-hour interview.
	I also ended up traveling to India with her and her group at the time that I knew psychically the minute I got off the bus with the group in India that that group was going to split up.
	And I was exactly right.
	During that trip, they ended up splitting up.
	They had all kinds of lawsuits and all kinds of stuff go on.
	But I maintained a good connection with her.
	I had a lovely rapport with her.
	I instantly knew, I actually stumbled on her work at JPL during my lunch hours.
	I used to surf the web and look for information.
	I stumbled on her website and I got a psychic download that that was true and it was right and I was very excited.
	And I also discovered Mark Richards that way when I was surfing at JPL, the internet.
	And so what happens is that I've invited her many times to come back, and she so far has not been willing to do so.
	But I am one of the only people who has interviewed her ever.
	So at least that's a high compliment in my view.
	I've read her books.
	I have them on my front page of my website.
	They're the Voyager books, Voyager 1 and 2.
	They're available as e-books on her website, which is called rhyyas.com.
	But you can click on the books on my site at projectcamelotportal.com and jump over there.
	And they're very reasonable, like $20 e-books, and they're chock full of a history of humanity that you would never have known otherwise.
	Thank you for answering that for her.
	We are running out of time.
	Can I just get a real quick, what's your latest thought on 3i Atlas?
	Like maybe a minute, and then we've got to kind of wrap things up because we're at the top of the hour already.
	So we're over where we're supposed to be, but go ahead.
	Okay, well, you know, I do have some pictures.
	I don't know if we have time for any pictures, but of 3i Atlas and the attendant sort of craft, I call them craft, that are also along with it, Lemon in the near vicinity and another one called Swan.
	And these are the short names.
	And also that I believe it's being escorted by nine of our secret space program craft.
	We have a secret space program that involves Solar Warden that basically tracks incoming and outgoing craft showing up in our solar system.
	So and they are, they I'm sure are on this story like White on Rice.
	There's a leaked memo that I have on my, I have a sub stack that I write articles and I put all kinds of links and videos and so on.
	And I have one in particular that's very recent, you know, in the last through two, three months.
	And you can go watch all the videos I've been doing on 3i Atlas because we're not going to have time to go into all the details.
	But bottom line is that through my investigations with the help of David Serada, who is a wonderful aerospace, I just call him sort of an idiot savant because he actually kind of went from college into the aerospace world.
	And he was very involved at one point with Dan Aykroyd and the STS footage that was filmed off, I think, a space station and so on and so forth.
	So he's quite well known and he's very well respected.
	He's a brilliant math guy and I'm terrible at math.
	But what happened was that I, again, got a download that the 3i Atlas, when it first came out and I was sort of aware of it, I just realized that it would probably be Anunnaki and I'm on the trail of the Anunnaki since the beginning of Camelot.
	And that's a very long lecture.
	So basically the bottom line is that some people think it's here to help us and save us and do all this kind of Airy Fairy kind of stuff, but I don't see it that way at all.
	I can see that it's run by with the help of AI.
	I think there are beings on board.
	A lot of people don't think there are any beings, but I do.
	And I think it is acting in a certain way that is communicating through its actions, through the trajectory that David tracked mathematically.
	And that backed up my intuition about, you know, the Anunnaki link.
	And it turned out that all the places they're going are triggering our history having to do with religious history as well as these relationships that the Anunnaki do have with humanity going back to the Zachariah Sitchin books and Sumerian tablets.
	And I'm afraid it's very long, so I don't know where you want me to go.
	You're just getting into my whole jam over here.
	We actually, we were talking with Dr. Rogers a couple weeks ago, and he was giving updates on the 3E Atlas.
	I know that you guys have connected in the past.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And so he was actually looking at the chemical composition of 3i Atlas and saying that it mimics exactly what the Voyager and other spacecraft that we've launched and that it's all manufactured by someone.
	Me, I would tend to agree with you that it leads back to Anunnaki if this is in fact what we're seeing.
	There was also mention of a code and communication between 3E Atlas and Voyager, I believe.
	That's something we're also looking at.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, there are a lot of people with a lot of theories and a lot of Abby Loeb is the scientist who is, you know, in association with NASA and Galileo.
	And he's got a, he's got a sort of substack on what's called Medium.
	He's just one of many people who have their channels over there.
	So he does articles sometimes daily on 3i Atlas and different anomalies to do with it and all of that.
	But he is, in my view, he's playing both sides.
	He's very careful because, you know, the science community is very close-minded and very difficult to deal with.
	But Richard C. Hoagland and David Serreta have a wonderful theory that seems to be coming to the fore.
	And I interviewed David with Richard was supposed to be on my shows, but he's been blocked from doing his own show ever since 3Eye Atlas hit the scene.
	He has had to go to his utilities and try to sue them for taking him off the air.
	But obviously it's the secret space program is blocking him because he is one of the original NASA scientists.
	And there are a lot of black scientists, meaning occult-based scientists.
	And Richard is one of them.
	You know, he may say he's a good guy.
	He may be, in fact.
	But the dark side of the magicians, the NASA magicians are not happy with him.
	They don't want him to tell the real truth.
	Like I said, on my sub stack, I have a copy of a leaked memo that basically went out from NASA to all the intelligence agencies, all the government agencies, everything saying this is a shutdown on all information going out to the public on 3i.
	That has held.
	And then, of course, they supposedly, you know, have a block in terms of our government.
	So that stopped supposedly NASA from showing us anything.
	And we're right today is when 3E Atlas is supposed to come out from behind the sun.
	I saw a quick download online, but I can't find it.
	So I don't know if somebody put something out and got scared and put it away and it got deleted.
	But I saw that it actually has already come out and it's already early.
	That's what it said.
	It said it came out a day and a half early.
	But today is the 29th and today is the day it was slated to be in perihelion.
	And I have diagrams and whatnot to show if we had time, but we don't.
	So just saying that a lot of this stuff is on my Telegram.
	It's on my website and it's on my articles on Substack.
	And you can find the link at the top of my webpage, Project Camelot.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Kevin.
	Yeah, if you want to tell people where they can find you.
	Portal.com.
	ProjectCamelot.tv also works.
	But like I said, if you want to go there and then go to join my substack and my join my, it's free to do that.
	And it's free to also be on my Telegram where I post daily, literally daily.
	And I post commentary on what's happening politically.
	I'm very into politics.
	I'm very into the white hats and what Trump is doing and all of this.
	And I write many articles, some of them highly critical of some of the things I see them doing and some very complimentary, you know, because I consider myself a white hat, even though when I tried to join them, Juan O'Savin said no.
	But anyway, yeah, and I have two brand new books out called Space War, my interviews, which are 12 interviews altogether with Captain Mark Richards, who worked in the secret space program since he was a child.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	You do have that rebellious gene, it says.
	She does.
	I love it.
	Well, Gary, thank you so much for being with us today.
	And I wanted to ask you just to wrap in wrapping up something that is important to me.
	What advice would you give to women that are entering the UFO field?
	Because I have Terry who mentors me and then me mentoring Melissa.
	You're one of the very few handful of women who have stood against the good old boys club.
	And thank God for your bullheadedness because it's gotten you to where you are today and where you can share the truth that you've revealed through all of these interviews.
	So what would you tell young women out there?
	Well, I think that you have to, you know, go against the PAC.
	You have to really be a rebel at heart.
	That's why I called my book Rebel Gene because I believe we all have the rebel gene, but only a certain part of humanity has actually activated it.
	So I would meditate on activating your rebel gene.
	And that would actually mean that, you know, what I did since I was a kid, I was like born this way.
	I talked back to my parents all the time.
	And I was just a rebel.
	I talked back to my teachers.
	I got in trouble for that when I was young.
	And I just guess I never stopped.
	You know, I'm often right, you know, and that helped because if I was wrong a lot, I might have, you know, gone and hot hit or something like that.
	I'm not saying I was right.
	I definitely wasn't.
	But what I'm saying is it gave me confidence because my intuition, if when I listened to myself, I would be in good shape.
	And that was like sort of the best way for me to come to trust myself and trust what came to me.
	And I do believe I'm protected, you know, with ET protection.
	And I do get, you know, various downloads from time to time.
	Even when I don't expect it, it just, it comes.
	And it's a labor of love.
	So I, you know, what I do is not sort of based on negativity.
	It's based on love.
	What I love is their humanity to learn the truth.
	That's what I really love.
	And I'm dedicated to that.
	And that puts me at odds with the secret space program, the secrecy that they constantly are doing.
	Even secrecy, they don't need to have because at this point, if you look at the UAP hearings, and I applaud people like Luna, you know, Congresswoman Luna, being able to come forward and talk about these things that I talk about and not take, you know, no for an answer.
	You basically have to stick to your guns.
	And so I think, you know, that's kind of something you are born with, but it's also something you can activate.
	And the more you test yourself and you turn out to be right, the more you're going to have courage to continue, you know, so things like that.
	I love that.
	Thank you, Tom.
	I mean, I could have said it better myself.
	It's this is why we do this is for humanity.
	And I think several of us feel called into this field, and we are right where we're supposed to be.
	And I think it's incredible that you have the journalism background and then was there in Hollywood.
	Everything fit together to do exactly what you're doing today.
	So thank you so much.
	Yeah.
	Thanks.
	Just wonderful.
	And I might say, being a baby boomer, I also questioned everything, always.
	And that really is the better way to be, I think, than just to take the onslaught of everything that comes at us.
	You know, I always did question everything and always knew I had angelic protection.
	Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have.
	I'd have been afraid.
	But yeah, thank you so much for being here.
	We definitely have to have you back at some time and hear some more stories.
	And we totally want to celebrate you tonight.
	You know, 20 years is saying something.
	And you were like swimming against the stream the entire time.
	And I just want to acknowledge you for that because it wasn't easy.
	I can see that now.
	At the time, I didn't even understand what was happening because, you know, we were young and we were just, we were working it out as we went every day.
	And I applaud you for all your hard work.
	Thank you very much.
	So nice to have you on tonight.
	And I do want to talk about our show for next week.
	We've got a special episode coming up for the International UFO Bureau.
	And we want to talk about our favorite guy, Hayden Hughes.
	He was the forgotten pioneer of UFO research.
	He was the first, 1957.
	And I have to say he was the best.
	He did it all.
	He had reports from Jimmy Carter, one of the United States presidents, trusted him enough to seek him out, not the other organizations.
	And that is saying something.
	And he was the beginning of the rise of the International UFO Bureau.
	He put this together.
	And we are just so completely proud.
	And next week, we'll have David Ferris.

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