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Awake & Aware 2013 - Intro and panel discussion

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	And if we could have two mics, that would be even more incredible.
	I think you can hear me right.
	Okay.
	This is Alan Steinfeld.
	Hi.
	And he's here from New York, all the way from New York.
	He decided to let the East coast in on what we're doing.
	Thank you.
	Sounds kind of we found out.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No show, no.
	I have to say, I lived in New York for four years, so in a certain sense, I feel like I broke ground over there, so I've definitely paid my dues in New York, in New York City.
	The city, actually.
	and Woodstock, well not quite.
	Maybe.
	That's a little.
	I was quite young then.
	No, I wasn't there for the Woodstock.
	I was in Woodstock.
	Two different things.
	But Woodstock is the actual town of Woodstock, New York.
	And I hung out with a bunch of musicians there and stuff.
	And Eddie Offord from Yes, the band.
	Let me see, who else?
	Todd Rundgren, Nick Ronson, who was the guitarist with David Bowie.
	Back in those days.
	Everyone was hanging around the town.
	It was actually a pretty cool place to be.
	So, you know, the guy who wrote Magic, Do You Believe in Magic?
	Yeah, he used to hang around the town.
	John, Sebastian.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	So these were locals, you know.
	So that's actually too cold.
	Bob Dylan.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Bob Dylan.
	No, Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix had gone, had been in town, but they were before my time, so I sort of missed them at that point.
	But there were other people, you know, Billy, let's see, what was the last name?
	Billy, I forget his name.
	He's sort of a semi-well-known musician of the time.
	Anyway, just ad-living some nostalgia here.
	But Alan Steinfeld is actually doing something very similar to Camelot.
	So when he heard about this wonderful conference that we do, he wanted to take part and so we made it possible.
	But he's actually interviews people a little more on the side of what you might say consciousness or some people might say sort of a new wage more kind of tinge to it than what I do.
	But he also has started to interview a lot of the same kinds of people that I do as well.
	So it's kind of moved into our sector.
	Sorry, if you can't hear me or somebody else.
	They're talking in the back, please.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, no talking while I'm talking.
	That's a rule while it conference.
	Yeah.
	Okay, now we have a bunch of seats in the back.
	Like, where's all the people?
	Hello?
	Okay, I just want to tell you, this is very interesting because I was talking to somebody over breakfast and I was telling them, you wouldn't believe the obstacles to getting this conference to happen.
	It was unbelievable.
	The people that have followed me know that my partner in this endeavor disappeared completely, like missing an action totally.
	We don't know.
	For a while, we thought he was kidnapped, taken to an underground base, and mind-wiped.
	But at the moment, it looks like he went into hiding.
	He's had some kind of sudden, whatever, kind of thing that goes on right now with people and just disappeared off the radar completely.
	So I stopped trying to find him.
	I stopped trying to sort of investigate that after I talked to one of his ex-girlfriends who gave me a little information about that.
	I believe he's okay, but he definitely is going through some kind of crisis.
	But when he backed out, he was also going to be not only supplying the venue connection for us in Joshua Tree, but he was also the financer.
	He was going to put up the upfront money because I don't have that kind of money.
	But as it happened, I had to decide whether I wanted to go ahead with this or not when he backed out.
	And then on top of it, I had some of my key speakers that were part of the reason I even got this thing together and decided to make the theme about time travel back out.
	After months of saying, oh, we're behind you.
	Oh, we're so excited.
	Oh, we want to be there, et cetera, et cetera.
	All of a sudden, it was like, sorry, we can't come.
	It's like, hello?
	What is going on?
	And basically, as you will know, David Anderson was, he was basically told not to come.
	He couldn't come because of the people he works for.
	And then Peter Moon, who kind of like was in association with him to a certain degree, he backed out as well because he was sort of on that same team in a sense.
	There was a lot of nonsensical reasons that they gave me that absolutely made no sense at all.
	If you read my blog, you'll know what I'm talking about.
	The bottom line is that, in a sense, I think that the Powers that Be just, they wanted to basically cut this thing off at the knees.
	I mean, I think that they thought I was, I don't know, maybe they thought I was more of a pansy than I am.
	But anyway, I wanted to say to you that I think since the 21st of December, I do believe something happened.
	I do believe in retrospect that all of you are going to realize that there is a change.
	I'm noticing it.
	I see people.
	I see some of you that I haven't seen for two years, and you look different.
	Something profound has happened here on planet Earth, and most people have no idea.
	But if you start...
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Let's acknowledge it.
	And while we acknowledge it, of course, I see Tommy has disappeared from the room.
	Oh, there he is.
	Okay.
	I want to know if I'm live.
	Awesome.
	Dude.
	Okay.
	So that's very cool because I want to say hi, world.
	This is a groundbreaking event.
	This has never happened on the planet before.
	Okay.
	We have the general public, people that are awake and aware, all together in one place, putting their energy behind this idea of time travel.
	The time travel is not just something you hear about in science fiction.
	It's not something that just physicists somewhere in NASA or in a hidden underground base are doing.
	It's something that we can do and it's something we can think about and understand.
	And it's all about how you are multi-dimensional beings and you have the possibility.
	In fact, you are time travelers.
	That's what you are.
	That's the nature of what it means to be human.
	And we're going to expand on that idea this entire conference.
	But I want to say that this is the critical mass needed to get this idea off the ground here on planet Earth.
	So consider yourselves the chosen ones, if you will.
	You know, and I never buy into that whole, you know, the Jewish people are the chosen ones.
	No, I love the Jewish people, so don't get me wrong.
	But that whole notion got way whacked out of, you know, just way, way, way stretched out of what it was really all about.
	We've chosen ourselves to be here.
	Okay.
	And one of their members.
	Okay.
	And I was married to one, so I know whereof I speak.
	In fact, I was told by my mother right before she died that I'm related to Anne Frank by some minuscule amount of whatever DNA or kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so the thing is that we are time travelers and that this is the place where we're launching that whole notion off the ground so that people can start to investigate and expand their understanding of what it means to be human.
	And this is going to be an incredible experience.
	And thank you for coming here.
	Thank you for lending your energy to this.
	And it's historic because I think the pieces that all the presenters are bringing to here today and tomorrow will be parts of a puzzle that we will put together to activate our potential.
	So these people are laying the groundwork and it's a sort of activating conference.
	I mean it's an awakening and aware conference of who we are.
	An activation event.
	I think that's exactly Alan well said.
	Yes.
	And you know, when I heard about this, I was really excited about time travel because I always knew it was possible.
	In 1966 in Whitebread America, I was watching the show called The Time Tunnel.
	You remember the Time Tunnel?
	Well, when I saw those guys going back in time, I knew that was possible.
	I knew that consciousness, in a sense, was non-linear, that we can access any moment in time.
	We just needed the technology.
	And the people speaking here today will have aspects of that technology.
	So we have to just put it all together so we can really create the future that maybe already exists.
	So a lot of the ideas that I have, or questions I have, is, are there parallel timelines?
	Is there a destiny that humans have?
	Can we jump these timelines?
	Is the past set in stone or is the past changeable?
	Who are we in the face of being multi-dimensional that can create a new future of untold possibilities?
	Maybe there's a future we have yet to create.
	Or maybe the beings from the future are us that have come back to enliven this process of awakening.
	So there's so much that I'm excited about these speakers sharing today that I think all of us will get answers.
	And because there's so many different angles of awareness, it's up to each of us to kind of make the bridge and formulate our own ideas of the potential of time travel.
	So that's why I'm here and I'm here to support your work, which is brilliant and exciting.
	And the other thing is, I would also investigate UFOs as an aspect of new realities because it's only when we change the paradigm of who we are in the face of the cosmos that we really will know who we are.
	We're only humanity as we face the other.
	And the other has made itself known.
	As we embrace the other, we come more into a wholeness.
	So the whole awareness of our cosmic relationships is now up for us to be activated.
	I think 2012 was a big leap in that, and we're going to be seeing the manifestations of that.
	So thank you.
	Thank you, Alan.
	Yeah, and I want to thank Mr. George Green for joining us.
	And we have such a stellar lineup here, and it just blows my mind, actually.
	You're going to have all these same amazing people all together in one place at one time.
	Speaking of time, and time is changeable.
	And I just had a discussion with Henry Deacon, aka Arthur Neumann, last night about that very thing.
	It went out over live stream, so I'm really hoping that it made it out there and it's been saved, but we have no guarantees.
	By the way, last night, Scepter Radio Network was taken down, was taken offline, all the servers went down when we were supposed to do our radio broadcast from the party last night.
	So you see, the powers that be are afraid of us even when we party.
	It's just incredible.
	I mean, you just can't even imagine the attacks our website has gone under for the past month right before the conference.
	It just escalated and escalated.
	They took down.
	What you don't know right now is that Camelot itself has been rebuilt from the ground up, the website.
	We had to take the whole thing down and rebuild it because they attacked it so bad that it was irretrievable.
	So we're scrambling.
	Tommy Hansen, give him a big hand because of all the work.
	And he's had to work his ass off.
	And I've been really riding his ass over all of this.
	So I've been making myselves very, very sort of, I don't know, whatever, sort of out of the realm of reasonableness because I just feel that Camelot has to be out there for the people.
	It's just desperate if we go down, right?
	That's the thing.
	I mean, with Project Camelot and what I'm doing with New Realities, we have to change the awareness of what's possible.
	So we have to plant new seeds in the general public so we can create the future that really belongs to us.
	That's why Project Camelot is, she really takes a lot of chances going out there interviewing whistleblowers.
	So I love that.
	And my angle is how do we change the cognitive perception of reality so we know who we really are.
	So all of us are here obligated to stand up for what is true for us, who we know ourselves to be.
	And that's why a conference like this, we take that back out into the world and we shift consciousness, we shift realities.
	So it's great.
	We're moving.
	Okay, and I'm going to be handing this mic over to Alan to introduce Sean David Morton, who is going to be coming up.
	So I just want to make sure with our engineers that we are ready and set to go for Sean.
	Is everything ready to go?
	Can I get a yes, thumbs up, something, anything?
	Okay, I'm going to say a few more words until I'll give you like another four minutes of ad living here.
	I actually, what I want to do here is talk about this change that we've gone through because it's been on my mind to talk about what is really going on here on planet Earth.
	And not only is your vibrations different, we are in a different frequency.
	And what I want to say here is that a frequency fence that was surrounding the earth was taken down around the 21st of December within a few days span of time.
	And that the potential that you have to move out into the future now is different than it was a year ago.
	So that if you're thinking about yourself in the same way, stop.
	Start opening those doors.
	Start realizing that our potential is unlimited.
	Really, the stars are the limit for you and all of us.
	And therefore, as Alan was saying, it is true.
	Our future exists simultaneously with this reality.
	So if you understand that, and the past is here with us now as well.
	So, but you are in a different vantage point.
	And that vantage point has a tremendous amount of power behind it at this moment.
	So you can either decide to risk all and change reality as you see it because it's not suiting what you would like to see.
	Or you can stay in your little cubbyhole and dim down your vibration, your light, and not assist the world to become a brighter place.
	You see what I'm saying?
	There is a choice, but you have to risk.
	That is actually the key that unlocks the door to the future.
	Okay?
	And I'm not just talking off the top of my head here.
	I actually had to experience that when I did this conference, okay?
	Because there are multiple times when I could have said, okay, no, too much, too many obstacles.
	I'm not going to do this.
	And when I lost the investor, I lost the money.
	I just said, okay, screw it.
	I'm putting it on my credit cards.
	I'll go into debt to see that this thing is launched, that this time travel, that this concept of who we are as humans gets launched on planet Earth here and now.
	Not in the future, not when I have more money, not when I'm in a better position here and now.
	So that was my decision.
	That was my risk.
	And it's paid off because here you are.
	No, I'm, you know, really, this is what I do, you can do.
	Okay?
	And I don't mean to get biblical on you, but it's true.
	You absolutely can.
	And please do.
	I'm asking for each and every person in this room who's part of this critical mass at this moment to be a world changer because that's what you have the potential to be.
	But it's going to require that you risk.
	And that's what we're asking.
	And here George Green is.
	He's one of those people who's been risking over time and time again to bring you the truth.
	Sean David Morton, same thing.
	These people risk their lives.
	People do not realize what we risk when we go out there because they don't really understand the threats.
	The threats are multiple.
	We had some threats last night go on here, some subtle things that had to be dealt with.
	I just want you to know that we've got a lot of light beings that are very, very interested in seeing this thing take place here.
	We have a lot of support in the unseen worlds, okay?
	And we have some visitors, as you want to call them, whatever, that are here with us now.
	Some of whom are in physical form, some of whom are watching, some of whom are watching on the live stream, for example.
	But their energies are with us.
	And so you take all those energies and all that light and you just bring it all together and we've got critical mass.
	So this idea, this expanding idea of who we are as humans is taking off.
	And so you're all part of it, and thank you very much.
	Okay, I'm going to turn this over.
	I'm going to turn this over to Alan to introduce Sean David Morton.
	We're starting a little late here, and we don't really want to do that because we've got a jam-packed day.
	It's going to be incredible.
	How are we, Tommy?
	Can I get a thumbs up?
	Yeah, okay.
	All right, so we're going to do an introduction for Sean David Morton, who needs no introduction but is going to get one anyway.
	He needs an introduction.
	Let's give it up for Carrie, though.
	One comment that I have is that the most un-visionary person I could think of gave a really great quote about vision.
	He said, The future will be better tomorrow.
	That's George Bush.
	George Bush said that.
	So he didn't know what he was saying, but perhaps it's true.
	So, with that, I'm very happy to announce Sean David Morton's appearance here.
	He's a friend.
	I've seen him around the planet, everywhere, Toronto, New York.
	I've been following him.
	But he is a wealth of information.
	Every year he lectures at the New Life Expo at least twice a year for hours and hours.
	It just pours through him.
	Sean is a great combination of consciousness, spiritual knowledge, hardcore facts, occult science, economy.
	Every aspect of our evolution, I think Sean has a handle on.
	And that's why his gift to this audience is so valuable, especially in terms of time travel, prophecy, predictions for the future.
	He's the author of a book called Sands of Time, which is a fictionalized version of a whistleblower blower testimony about time travel, Area 51 in Dulcie.
	Yeah, I'm very happy you're here, Sean, because your piece, your introduction to this whole conference, really lays the foundation of what's to come.
	let's give a hand to Sean David Martin.
	Okay, we're going to start.
	I need the lights dimmed in the auditorium thing, whatever you call that.
	Lights out.
	Come on, I have 10 volunteers.
	One of them do what I say.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Awesome.
	All right.
	This is.
	Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Cam Lot.
	are okay we're not live yet so that was all for my benefit and our benefit but nobody out there in the world knows about it Yeah, we'll do that take again, and I like applause.
	The ones in the front row can knock their jewelry together, as John Lennon said, right?
	But anyway, okay, so let me know when we're live.
	Can somebody back there?
	We're live.
	All right.
	I'm going to do this again.
	Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy.
	Okay.
	Second time around's the charm.
	All right, we are waiting for Richard Hoagland, as usual.
	And meanwhile, what do we have?
	Do we have 12?
	Is anybody counting?
	First person who leaves dies.
	No, no, because this is the last supper of Camelot.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to go down the row and give you the names of everyone just for people that might be tuning in right now or whatever.
	And so at the very end, we have David Farman.
	He's from Alien Chip.
	And thank you for attending, David.
	And we have Sean David Martin, one of our speakers.
	And George Green.
	Laura Eisenhower.
	All right.
	We have Alan Steinfeld.
	Get sexy, baby.
	Okay.
	Preston Nichols.
	Okay.
	Well, the missing mystery guest, Richard Hoagland.
	He's actually stalling because he has to make a dramatic entrance, I'm sure.
	Jordan Maxwell and the illustrious David Wilcox.
	Okay.
	And Henry Deacon, a.k.a.
	Arthur Neumann, time traveler excellence.
	And we have Anthony Sanchez.
	And we have Stephen D. Kelly.
	And myself, last but not least.
	Okay, so I'm just going to set a couple of ground rules.
	And I want you to understand that this is an interactive panel discussion, which means you can ask questions, but we will also ask you to ask everyone, and so that anyone can respond to any question, and several people can respond to one question, for example.
	And then we can also have a dialogue, for example.
	So we don't have to all agree.
	Okay, that's one of the things with Camelot.
	We don't require that all the speakers just talk to the audience and not to each other.
	We're actually allowing them to talk to each other, all right?
	Because it's very interesting to have a dialogue between people that are researchers into these very deep subjects that we've been discussing all day.
	And the discussions so far, I'm sure, have stimulated a lot of questions, a lot of thought processes, and even the panel discussion.
	So, and I will sort of propel things along if there aren't any questions.
	But if you want to ask a question, go ahead and raise your hand.
	And if you, if you could.
	Do we have a mic set up or anybody giving a mic to the audience?
	Okay.
	So we need a volunteer to run around the audience and hand the mic to whoever wants to ask a question, okay?
	So just raise your hand.
	The person will come by and hand you the mic.
	That's how we're going to operate.
	So we're going to start off with, let me see, maybe a brief statement about time travel from every person, all right, on the panel.
	And I'm going to ask you to keep your statements brief.
	And if you want to comment on somebody's presentation you saw today, that's all fine.
	Or if you want to augment your own presentation with a couple of remarks, that's fine too.
	Okay?
	And at this point, well, we're going to start off with Sean David Morton.
	We're going to go last to David Farman since he's a visitor and hasn't, you know, just getting up to speed here.
	So Sean, you want to lead off?
	Okay, this is important.
	Hey, how are you?
	Sure, not so much from what I was talking about this morning.
	Who saw my talk this morning?
	Thank you so much for waking up.
	I'm sorry, it was less a comedy routine and more a jeopardy question for champions.
	So time travel, you just have to understand that there are psychic and spiritual ways to do it through remote viewing.
	It does seem interesting because it does seem that time is shifting, but it all has to do with consciousness.
	It all has to do with what's worth fighting for, what's worth living for, what's worth dying for.
	And the idea is love.
	It's all about the concept of love, the concept of everybody getting along, the concept of moving forward.
	I clearly think, to make it brief, because it's great, there's more people on the panel than there are in the audience.
	It's fantastic.
	But it's, no, I'm kidding.
	There's hundreds of thousands of people here in the stadium behind the camera to all you on the internet.
	Hello.
	There's the idea behind all of this time travel and all of this has to do with maybe can we change time?
	And the only way that you can change your shift time or reality is through mutual agreement, is through everybody agreeing that they want something better.
	We're in the post-ascension era, after 2012.
	Your bodies are changing.
	The pineal gland is getting more powerful.
	The sun is changing.
	The universe around us is changing.
	We're moving into an area of space where for the first time in 26,000 years, we no longer have a veil on the right-hand side of the brain.
	So you're beginning to access the true feminine, if you will.
	And I say that only in the terms of the side of the brain that thinks in terms of symbols, archetypes, dance, music, color, light, sound, but the part of the brain also that exists in quantum time.
	Feeling that you understand the past, the present, and the future all at once.
	And once you move into this fifth-dimensional reality, remember what 5D is, that what you think becomes physical reality.
	We together collectively have to think in terms of honor, of peace, of the things that we want that we have to demand of our leaders and our government.
	Because remember, leaders don't lead.
	Leaders jump out in front of a parade and pretend to be leading the parade.
	Government only reacts.
	So we are the ones that have to act.
	We have a discussion here.
	That discussion then becomes a, let's say we have a conversation, that conversation becomes a discussion, that discussion becomes a talking point, that talking point becomes an issue, and that issue becomes a thing.
	And then suddenly government will react to it.
	So the biggest thing for all of us is remember, that what you think in terms of your physical reality is becoming real.
	You begin to manifest these things.
	So we have to think, thoughts, actively think the thoughts of peace, of love, of prosperity, of us being the money, of us being the power.
	And again, all is one, life has purpose, God is love.
	So there you go.
	So that's me.
	Yay!
	Can you keep my mic on?
	Because I like to interrupt people now.
	Just kidding.
	No, just so I can kind of guide the situation here.
	Especially if it becomes a free-for-all.
	Okay, let's see.
	Let's hear from Laura Eisenhower next.
	About time travel.
	Well, I have my personal experiences with what this concept means based on timelines, DNA, and stargates.
	In a sense, knowing that there's some sort of sabotaging of the organic ascension timeline from a very young age, wondering why the heck did I land in the Eisenhower family, and then realizing along the way that something called alternative three was popping its head up, which of course affects us all,
	which has to do with alien agendas, assisting races that probably don't have our best interests at heart, but realizing that we're all one and we do care, but we have to look at ourselves and what timeline we want to be on, which is based on our sovereignty, our free will in alignment with integrity and our higher self.
	So in 2006, just as Project Camelot was coming about, I was faced with the opportunity to go to Mars.
	Some people wonder, why the heck didn't you go to Mars?
	But my intuition told me from really recalling a youth filled with a lot of insight about what I was here to do was to not go anywhere, but to stay true to my path, which has to do with Mother Earth, which has to do with the organic ascension based on accretions and reaching the stellar activation cycle of really harnessing the power of the human spirit, which is really the global immune system.
	So consciousness time travels.
	As we look at this time loop and all these different timelines based on alien agendas, when we view it as an observer from our spirit self, we can remember who we are.
	We can see a future that is positive based on the collective power of the human spirit, which I termed alternative four.
	Why not alternative four?
	It has to do with the power of the human spirit.
	It doesn't have to do with giving your power to any alien agenda, even if one is better than the other.
	So I feel that the ascension timeline was in a sense hijacked, but replaced with that warrior spirit that said, oh yeah, you're going to take us down where we're going to step up that much higher.
	And they can't even track us at this point because we've overcome a level of sabotage that is mind-blowing, that has almost created a timeline that we haven't even seen yet, which is merging us into a transformation based on the Heroes Gamos, the inner sacred union, the rebalancing of the masculine and feminine to really bring in that Christ energy, that liquid plasmic Christ force, birthing the magical child into that zero-point energy.
	That's what we're made of.
	That's the real timeline.
	And that's the one most supported by nature, cosmos, Mother Earth.
	And it's organic, it's natural.
	And this whole mind-control time-looping game of the way these artificial stargates have been utilized and looking glass technologies, which were a part of how I got recruited, opened my eyes big time to what's really going on.
	But I didn't have Kerry Cassidy then.
	And just as I was breaking free of the recruitment, here comes Dan Burrish with his concept of timelines.
	And there I was breaking free just in time to hear that enough of us collectively have woken up to our missions.
	And just as reptilian brains don't like spontaneity and surprises, we stepped up.
	We all have stepped up and we're here today, all of us out there in the audience.
	We have stepped up and done something remarkable.
	And that's a form of time travel in and of itself because we've stepped out of the time loop.
	And in a sense, we've crumbled timelines right and left.
	And we're still continuing to do that.
	And the windows open for a couple more years.
	And it's really about preparation, inner work, and to be able to envision a future that we know is ours because we come from the future.
	We come from the past.
	We're whole.
	This organism is beyond time and space.
	It's a multi-dimensional planet that holds the monad at its core, a 13-dimensional planet.
	And this is the second Earth.
	This is not the first Earth.
	A major intervention had to happen because of the draconian influence.
	And guess what?
	The victory is ours.
	And this is just a time to unify because we're raising the frequency every day by refusing to submit to anything less than our own inner truth.
	And this is the true empowerment because we each have it.
	There's no control, there's no hierarchy.
	It's just the sovereignty of the human spirit that's saying, enough already.
	This planet is ours.
	This future is ours.
	And yay!
	Hurrah.
	Up high, baby, up high.
	Okay, let's see.
	Let's hear from a completely different angle.
	And thank you.
	Hoorah, Laura.
	Preston Nichols.
	Preston!
	Good evening, folks.
	You probably know me as the author of the Montauk Project, which was one of the attempts to do physical time travel.
	And basically, my background is an electrical engineer and a quantum electrodynamicist where I studied the electrons and photons jumping from reality to reality.
	That degree came from Sandia National Laboratories.
	Now, the Montauk Project, in a nutshell, was basically a mind amplifier.
	It had an input network known as the chair, a bunch of electronic junk, and a transmitter.
	And what this thing would do, it would pick out the thoughts of the person entranced in the Montauk chair.
	And this equipment had the power to actually manifest objects.
	If the person in the Montauk chair had time capability, that was if his mind was fully functioning into the parallel realities, the thing would literally open a time portal at the center of the final accelerator.
	Because once you reach the speed of light, the particles now go in air, and as they crash down in the center, a portal would form controlled by a group of UHF cavities around the accelerator, similar to a magnetron or an amplitron, and this big delta antenna that would actually direct how this particle spiraled down and where the vortex went to.
	And the time travel was successful.
	You know, we had our mistakes out there.
	I'm not going to say we didn't make any mistakes.
	We made plenty of them.
	Many people asked me, would I do it over again?
	Yes, I learned a lot.
	Now, convincing what a lot of you people out there of what has come forward is that basically you all heard about the Montauk Project.
	You're interested in the more metaphysical aspect of my life since I turned 60, encountered the Grand Thunderbird, and now I'm going into healing art, using music to manifest, and I'm going into the genetic distortion in the genome of mankind, you know, the 23 versus 24 gene pair concept.
	And I'm also going to go into how our reality actually is made up.
	We've discovered that there actually is some form of something we'd like to call a supercomputer that directs all this.
	I'll go into what that is and what the directive functioning of the system is.
	And just go into what's coming in the future.
	Don't misunderstand me.
	You cannot predict the future because the program is self-generating and every second it changes.
	You can predict the future based upon what you see at the time you're making the prediction, but by the time you might get there, it's all over anyway.
	Like in 2006, I was looking at the final galactic wave coming in 2012.
	Over the years, now has pushed itself ahead to 2023.
	And I don't know if it's even going to come in then.
	So that's what my lecture will be about.
	And I'll go into what's needed to keep my research going.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Can I have some more time?
	Okay, thank you very much, Preston.
	Okay, we'd like to hear from Jordan Maxwell.
	Thank you.
	Since I've gotten older, I forget a lot of things, but I seem to remember that Francis Ford Copla made a movie between Godfather 1 and Godfather 2, if I'm remembering this correctly.
	And he made a movie called Peggy Sue Got Married.
	And in the movie, she goes back in time to see her mom and dad, if I'm remembering this.
	And so at the end of the movie, she wants to go back in time to see her mom and dad again when they were in high school to make sure that they got together.
	And so she goes to her grandfather, who knows everything, and she says that she wants to go back in time.
	And could he help her?
	And the grandfather said, well, obviously, they got together because you're here.
	And so she said, yeah, because I want to make sure that they get together.
	So he said, all right.
	So I'll take you to a place where people do know how to go backwards and forwards in time.
	If that's important to you, I'll take you there.
	So he drives her, and at the end of the movie, he's pulling into a parking lot of the Masonic Lodge.
	And she says, Dad, Grandpa, this is the Masonic Lodge.
	He said, yeah, that's what they've been doing for years, going backwards and forwards in time.
	That's how they do what they do.
	So I just think that's very interesting that Francis Ford Copla is telling you something.
	Steven Spielberg's been telling us something.
	George Lucas is telling us something.
	Hollywood has been telling us a lot of things.
	My friend Dick Gregory said, Hollywood does three things: they tell you what your masters have done, what they're doing now, and what they're getting ready to do.
	And so that's why one of my favorite quotes is: always trust a person looking for the truth.
	Don't ever trust the one who's found it.
	Because so many things are happening today that we have no idea in the world what the implications are going to be for the coming time that's coming very soon.
	But all I do know is that the science is far, far out ahead of whatever we think it is today.
	The people who are running this planet have technologies we haven't even begun to hear about and know about.
	So it's an extraordinary time in which we're living.
	I want to thank you for being here.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Jordan.
	Okay, let's hear from Henry Deacon, aka Arthur Neumann.
	And if you wouldn't tell me, you want me to call you Art?
	Yeah.
	Okay, Art.
	This is Art.
	Hi.
	You asked to keep it brief, so I'm not going to go on over my four and a half hours or whatever and have someone fall asleep in the back.
	Okay.
	Someone fall asleep in the back of her.
	Anyway, I just wrote down here, it says, we are all time travelers.
	I think we heard this earlier today.
	I agree with that.
	And you are constantly, this is all I think I've heard today before.
	We are constantly at billions of times per second, selecting out of a cloud of probabilities what's going to happen and what future we're going to select.
	Basically, again, follow your bliss.
	That's all I have to say right now.
	Okay, thank you.
	Anthony Sanchez Hey, so For years I've studied the works of various individuals Trying to gain a better understanding of what time travel is and how time travel can be achieved Whether you know it's
	Within a physical realm or a pure mental and spiritual realm One of the things that I've come to learn is that there are two types of time travel.
	There's interactive time travel whereby you are purposely time traveling to affect the timeline and essentially disrupting the temporal or breaking the temporal prime directive along the way.
	On the opposite end there's observational time travel which could present us with an opportunity to go into the future, go into the past, and observe and learn without affecting the timeline.
	And those are two areas for me that I've always really found to be the most interesting to study.
	And I think that there are groups out there right now who are working within this malevolent mindframe whereby they either have achieved time travel or they're working towards achieving time travel for the purposes of affecting the timeline.
	And there's lots of speculation as to what groups could be behind those types of practices.
	But I have lots of information that I have put together based on what I feel are discoveries pertinent to who these groups might be.
	And that's what I'd like to share a little bit of tomorrow.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Anthony.
	Can we hear from David Wilpop?
	How's everybody doing out there?
	You having a good time?
	All right, cool.
	So I'm going to talk about time travel from two angles.
	I'm going to discuss the overview that comes out of spiritual philosophy materials such as the Law of One series, which tells us ultimately that there is only identity.
	The universe is alive.
	And much of my book, The Source Field Investigations, deals with the empirical evidence of a living universe, such as the notion that the DNA molecule can coalesce from the basic laws of quantum mechanics, that you have this wave that constructs life out of what we would consider inanimate matter.
	If we begin with that premise, then we have the notion of one infinite creator that manifested the universe so that identity could experience itself, dividing it into seven densities, seven layers of probability, seven layers of apparent experience.
	The level that we're in is third density.
	That's apparently the first realm in which you're fully self-aware.
	And it's also the realm in which you have to make a choice between service to self, which is the negative path of control, or service to others, which is the positive path of love.
	Now, what's interesting is that this spiritual philosophy also tells us that nothing happens by accident.
	The experiences that we're going through, even collectively with the Illuminati New World Order, all of that is permitted to happen insofar as it represents a reflection of what we are creating collectively and individually with our own karma.
	Now, obviously, I don't want that to continue, and I don't think you do either.
	And the way that we get through that is by understanding how the collective mirrors the individual.
	Now, time travel from the law of one perspective is being used to balance the planet so that these negative guys are never able to get too far ahead.
	You'll notice that despite all of the fear-mongering that's been out there on the internet for so long, we haven't seen martial law, we haven't seen internment camps, we haven't seen complete breakdown of society, cannibalism.
	I know art has heard this stuff for years, all the insiders have heard this stuff for years.
	It still hasn't happened.
	And Sean has heard it for years too.
	And he actually believed it, but I didn't.
	So I won.
	Okay, okay, calm down.
	We haven't gotten it yet.
	When's the last time you went to downtown Los Angeles, David?
	All kinds of people eating people back.
	Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, let's go.
	I'm going to take a panel, you know, so we're allowed to find out.
	Just make sure we shut this all up, Karen.
	Anyway, just to tie the bow on top of this, I am going to be discussing how the universe designed space and time as essentially illusions, and that the reality does not involve linear time, but that the time travel is being done so as to keep us in balance.
	And so that's not something that usually people in third density have to deal with.
	We don't usually worry about time travel.
	Something like what Preston was involved in is very rare.
	But ETs or angels from the next level and higher actively use time travel all the time.
	So I am going to go into the technical physics of time travel.
	I'm going to describe how originally Albert Einstein said time was a dimension, i.e., the fourth dimension.
	But the problem with only making it one-dimensional is it becomes a vector, meaning that it only can move in one direction, i.e., forward.
	But now there's new physics such as the Wheeler-DeWitt equation saying that on the quantum level, time must not be linear because the laws require no such linearity.
	In fact, it doesn't work.
	It has to be able to go in any direction.
	So there is a physics in which time is three-dimensional and it represents a parallel reality that we can pop into and move through.
	All of that is going to be explained tomorrow.
	So I can talk more about that.
	And as Art has just written down here, there is no such thing as linear time.
	He's experienced that.
	Preston has experienced that.
	I'm really quite blessed to be here because we have an illustrious panel, people who have really gotten into this stuff that has remained hidden since the beginning of humans on Earth in our own reality.
	So this is a very exciting opportunity to crack open the cornucopia of knowledge, and I'm really happy to be here.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, David.
	Appreciate that.
	Okay, let's hear from Alan Steinfeld.
	Want to pass him the mic?
	Yes, I think this is an amazing panel, and the scope of knowledge and perspectives is really important because to borrow a line from Richard's friend Gene, it's not the space is the final frontier.
	Time is the final frontier.
	And that's where we're at now because what is represented here is a lot of elements being thrown out.
	We're sort of in the dark finding our way through the time landscape.
	And there's a lot of commonalities in some of the presentations that I noticed today, at least between Sean and Richard and some other people, that the idea that there's timelines and the idea of consciousness and the time of being outside of that all as far as who we are as ascending conscious beings.
	And it seems like.
	Well, he's already time traveled there.
	Look.
	This way back as Mickey Mouse.
	Alternative superstar, Preston.
	But what's interesting, I noticed is that taking some of the points from what Richard said and what Sean said, there seems to be a diversion in the timeline that we're on now, and somehow we've gotten off in a sort of descending direction that probably we'll come back to at some point.
	But it seems like the Mayans and some of the astrologers were able to pick these points in time and space that were advantageous to this timeline jumping.
	I think 2012 was something, but I think we're coming up to what Terence McKenna said is the transcendental object at the end of time, meaning that there's great vortexes that we're coming into where a whole population will be able to jump a timeline like they did possibly in the classical Mayan civilization and leave this third dimension and move into the next one.
	So there are these, oh, yes, thank you.
	So there's openings that are coming up and we're just throwing out the mechanics of what time travel is like this weekend.
	And it's very important that the public is aware of all the elements as we uncover deeper and deeper levels of truth.
	And that's why this weekend is so important.
	That's why it's important you're here.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Alan.
	Thank you.
	I have to announce Preston has a date with Elton John after this show.
	Okay, thank you.
	I appreciate it, the comic relief.
	So the next person, let's hear from George Green.
	I'm going to make this short because I happen to have a document with me from Billy Meyer.
	Okay.
	and what they're explaining about time and this is about the propulsion systems but I'll make it very short about it with what they have said now this is semi assay explaining can we turn the volume up on George Because I don't think.
	I'll hold it better.
	Here it is.
	This is from Semiyasi.
	I'm not allowed to give you closer details on the drive on the vehicles, because if Earth scientists know more details, they would have achieved their drive problems already in a short time.
	This is not in our cosmic interest, as the Earth human is still not free enough to fly in the cosmic space.
	But he will, in a given time, solve the problems himself, which is not far off.
	I'm only allowed to give you as much as the secret.
	Many of your scientists already being on the right track are conducting research on the necessary propulsions.
	I'm only allowed to say this concerning propulsions.
	Your scientists are already working on light-emitting drives.
	Light-emitting drives work for normal propulsion and move the beam ships near planets until they are a safe distance away.
	There, another drive is activated with greater distances are to be overcome.
	That is for the hyper-propulsion systems, which surpasses time and space.
	We call both of these propulsions by other designations, but the sense is similar.
	We have another language that Earth humans and I have to experience and explain to you in terms which you understand.
	Basically, what they do is they tame time and space, and they basically go from here to the Pleiades in less than eight hours, which is 300 light years.
	Most of the time is spent coming from one dimension, getting ready to the hyperspace deal, and then they travel, and then they condense back down at this time.
	That's basically what they're telling me off of their documents themselves.
	When was that written?
	It's back in 76.
	I have about 2,500 pages from Billy of all of their different systems and the new ones, and I've coordinated some of this with some of my other friends on trying to get the information out for us.
	But our scientists are already working on this, as you know, in Area S4, not Area 51.
	S4 is all in the ground, and this is on time dilation and what we have right now.
	One of the things that they did say is that in future times, they have to be very careful.
	How many people have seen the movie of Billy Meyer and the craft going around the tree?
	If you notice, they did not keep the tree, they changed its time because whatever you do will affect future events.
	And so, what we have to look at, if we're going to involve with time past and present, they took Billy forward in time to see the total destruction of San Francisco.
	I personally saw the pictures in his room about what's coming up.
	Right now, scientists have been examining the pictures and looking at the cars, and the windshields on the cars are about the current ones.
	So, get ready for the big event.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you, George.
	Okay, let's hear from, let's see, we've got Richard Hoagland.
	It should be somewhere around here.
	But it's in a different time.
	One of them is going to be used in the crowd to walk around.
	See, that was on a different time track.
	So anyone who wants to give us more microphones, we're open to that at any time.
	What strikes me about this conference is how timely it is.
	No, seriously.
	As I said earlier, even I was saying to Auram at dinner, even a couple years ago, I could not have shown you what I showed you a couple hours ago because A, I didn't know a lot about it, and B, I wasn't confident that what we thought we knew, we actually can demonstrate.
	What strikes me now, listening to everybody here, is how all us independent souls are kind of honing in on the same set of precepts and ideas and extrapolations as to what's happening and where we're going.
	Some of them a little more hopeful than others.
	I don't think I'm agreeing with the destruction of San Francisco, but we will see.
	What's stunning to me as I was putting this together, and you know, Kerry, it's really important to do these things because when you're forced to actually order your thoughts to present to you guys, it forces a rigor and a discipline that if you're not forced to really kind of think about things in a certain way,
	you can get lazy, you can get intellectually lazy, you can get self-satisfied, you can get too confident, you can think you know too much of what you don't know.
	And the process of putting this together for this conference really crystallized a number of things.
	One of which is I think the timeline was definitely interfered with.
	That's number one.
	Last night.
	And number two, I think there's someone or some ones trying very valiantly and giving us clues that they're trying to put it back the way it should have been.
	I even can give you a possible date.
	No, it's not 2023 or 2072.
	I think you were talking about that last night.
	No, no, 20.
	20 eclipse.
	2025 and 2036.
	20.
	Okay.
	It was different dates.
	2019, whatever.
	To do for what?
	Date for what?
	The point is, as part of what we looked at at Chitsunica, I now believe that the Mayans were right.
	I mean, look at their total obsession through a long period of time with time.
	And then look at how the 1940s transliterations of their timeline, the 13th Bakhtun, etc., into the Gregorian calendar caused such controversy then and now.
	And there is still, you know, you've got the Callahan guys and you've got John and you've got others that are looking for when that date, the end of the Bakhtun, the beginning of the next cycle should have occurred.
	I now believe that we're probably off in the conversion by four years.
	That in fact, this is now 209 by our calendar.
	And 2012 is still to come.
	Now the danger of saying that is that every fear-porn monger out there who is preaching and hoping desperately for doom and gloom and cats and dogs living together and all of that stuff are going to have a field day, including that person.
	The good news is if someone is trying to really shift the timeline back to what it should have been, then those realities are merely propaganda.
	They're actually out there to contaminate psychically through consciousness, negative consciousness, which as we demonstrated at Shitsunica can affect the force.
	That graph showing the coordinated, focused spiritual meditation changes in the vicinity of that pyramid are crucial to understanding that this is an interactive participatory process.
	You are not here to listen to us.
	You are here to participate with us in what the gestalt of this weekend is supposed to be about, which is, bottom line, to change the timeline to what we all want.
	And the physics tells me it's doable, it's possible.
	The bad guys are trying to keep it the way it is because they like it that way.
	The good guys are trying to give us a shot at making it the way it should have been.
	And the bottom line, and then I'll quit, is the future is literally up to us.
	The physics now tells me it is in our hands, so we simply have to choose.
	Right, David?
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Richard.
	David Farman.
	Good evening.
	I want to thank you, Kerry Cassidy, for letting me speak.
	Thank you.
	And I'm honored in front of my peers, Mr. Jordan Maxwell, Mr. Sean David Morton, and all other speakers here.
	Thank you.
	And good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
	David Foreman, AlienShift, Alienshift.com.
	I've been a blogger 20 years, and we started from Yahoo 20 years ago when a thousand people, very highly sophisticated military people or researchers those days, they were blogging with us.
	And we down to very deep discussions and suddenly about five, ten years ago, they all spread out, they all lost the concept.
	And something made us very confused.
	I think it could have been the 2012 issue.
	It was all made up.
	I believe the 2012 issue was undercover to confuse us.
	But that's something we should talk about it later.
	Basically, my position is time does not exist.
	Once you put your feet on the UFO and you leave the planet, you're on universal continuum.
	Time is only for humans in the planet Earth.
	That changes the whole concept of time, and this is some illusion and something we have created for ourselves.
	So looking at the universe and universal time, that there is no time, universal continuum.
	People like Bernard Mendez, Project Pegasus, we recently interviewed, he was the actual most influential in front of ET contact with Nixon administration that he's been talking and we're trying to get him on the panel in Los Angeles.
	It's a lot of mind control behind stopping and talk.
	But mainly is he explained on the interview that with all the research he did with aliens, extraterrestrials, they found out time does not exist.
	So it's like a continuum that we're all in it, us and other planets, and it's all in there in a, if you imagine, in a globe like everything hanging together, there is no time yesterday and 10,000 years in front of us or behind, they're all happening right now in multi-lines, multi-parallel lines.
	And you might have different entities yourself that they're experiencing different timelines as we speak.
	So you might be in many different factions.
	Your other entity could be in different age in the future or past.
	There's no past and future.
	They're all events that simultaneously happening.
	So this is based on Bible code, mathematical code that is already been written, based on Quranic or Vedic verses that the whole time and events are already written.
	We just experience and we can change some parts of it.
	For example, if Richard decided not to go on a ship on 2012, or Sean didn't, he changed that event.
	That was his, but in actuality, what is written in the Bible code is written, it will happen.
	We can change some part of it.
	So our purpose and goals already by coming to this planet is fixed and basically going back to...
	Okay, David.
	Yeah, so time is limited.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, David.
	We wanted to give Stephen Kelly.
	Can I make a quick comment, Stephen Richard said?
	Can I make it a quick comment on something on something Richard said?
	Actually, no, no, no, I have a light here.
	So you guys hear.
	So, look, 2012 wasn't a trick.
	We're in a post-ascension frequency right now.
	Consciousness and evolve into consciousness takes time.
	Jesus and 12 of his pals, it took 325 plus years for them to affect the change of what's going on.
	We're living without the veil on the right-hand side.
	We're adjusting to this amazing new energy.
	I told you that people are having problems with like night sweats from 3 to 5 a.m. as they're bombarding as all this junk is coming off the pineal gland.
	What I want to talk to, just comment with Richard about a couple of years ago.
	Wait, I have to stop you.
	You're going to have to do this after because we're going through everybody.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I thought everyone had a chance to talk.
	No, Stephen didn't get a chance.
	So we'll do that.
	Because I'll forget, Carrie.
	And it was really important.
	I don't want you to forget if you're a smart guy.
	You'll change time and space as we know it.
	But I hear you.
	Calm down.
	We'll get there.
	It's all that pot, I don't see it.
	Okay.
	Stephen Kelly.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Stephen Kelly, please address the issue.
	Can we get.
	I thought that was supposed to be fun.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Thank you again, Sean.
	Jeez.
	You know, I was just going to have a quick little time travel anecdote because it occurred to me, oh, gee, what can I tell you about time travel?
	We've had such a wonderful weekend.
	But now, because you guys have all philosophized, I'm going to take advantage of this final word, and I'm going to do that too.
	But first, my little anecdote.
	I've talked about the cavers and the phase shifters.
	One of the things these guys like to do is they buy the restaurants and they get these restaurants that have been in a certain location, say, for like 100 years or longer in the same ownership.
	Why do they do this?
	Well, they'll go in the head in one year and they'll come out of the head in another year.
	And they do this because they know the restaurant's going to be there.
	You know, they buy, oh, this restaurant's been here 100 years.
	Great.
	Let's buy it.
	And now they've got a jump spot.
	It's very convenient.
	That's my little time travel anecdote.
	It's little things, logistics that you don't think about.
	Now, philosophy.
	First of all, you know, Bashar was so right on today.
	I mean, you want to get into the physics and just, you know, and he kept repeating himself because it's like he wants to make sure that we get it through our heads.
	And the one thing that he said I think that really sunk home with me is the single point in the empty entire universe that occupies every single point at every single time.
	And I used to think, yes, we are all one person living through each other's bodies and taking turns being that person and getting experiences.
	But now I realize we're less than that.
	We're the same point of matter taking turns being all this different matter.
	Now, Richard, props to you.
	I like the way you ended because I'm all for having control of our timelines.
	And I was just as doomed and gloom as everyone else in 2012 and Nibiru and Phase Shift and everything else.
	But I do believe that physically we do have the physical mental power within our auras and our spirit bodies to manifest and change and create the reality we want.
	And again, like everyone has said so eloquently tonight, we can create the positive timelines.
	I think Bashar, everyone has said it in so many different ways, but ultimately if we walk away from this thing and everybody goes and creates a reality that's beautiful and not ugly like they want us to focus on, we'll have accomplished our mission.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Stephen.
	Okay, I'm going to say something because I know I'm sort of guiding the panel, but at the same time, I have some things to say.
	So I want to say that I think that we do have multiple timelines operating simultaneously, at least at this level, third density going into fourth.
	And we really are, for all intents and purposes, now moved into fourth.
	So I think there's sort of maybe we're early fourth, and so a lot of people don't even realize that we've moved in the fourth.
	But at this point, that's why this is open season on Earth.
	And that's why there are so many different beings here visiting us.
	And that I do believe that we can shift timelines.
	I do believe that there is a military-industrial complex, you know, secret government that is doing just that.
	In fact, they are doing things like, and Sean will appreciate this reference, the Wingmakers, in which they want to move planet Earth out of a certain timeline into another timeline to where we will not be going through such rocky experiences in terms of things that Billy Meyer perhaps saw or was shown by the Pleiadians at the time.
	But again, those were things that he was shown back then.
	I'm sure they happen on some timeline.
	The question is always, which timeline are we on at this moment in this frequency that we're sharing here at this exact moment?
	And so I think that there is, it's difficult to have a discussion about time because we are actually vibrating in and out of even this timeline so that we are occupying multiple timelines at this time simultaneously.
	And so this is part of the problem of these discussions.
	But within those kind of parameters, we have an incredible group of minds here.
	And I think each person is bringing a wonderful sort of vantage point from which to view this question.
	And so I don't think anybody's opinion or talk here should be discounted.
	I think that each and every one of them are giving fragments of the total picture.
	And so they should all be seriously considered.
	I do want to drill down to some of the more scientific sides of things.
	And I also think that we have sort of a dilemma.
	As multi-dimensional beings, we can discuss it from a multi-dimensional perspective, you know, from we're all one type of perspective.
	And at the same time, we can also get lodged more in this sort of three going into four density and talk about how we're experiencing it here and now and what the governments, the powers that be, so to speak, are manipulating.
	Because they are doing things.
	Those are actual actions that they're taking.
	And Montauk was just one of those attempts.
	And they've continued Montauk.
	They may call it by different names, but it's absolutely still continuing to this time.
	And I believe David Wilcock will attest to that with Daniel.
	And certainly Art can attestify to that to himself, having been part of those programs.
	And I'm sure there are other people here, even in the audience, who are part of programs they don't even know they're part of.
	And you will be time traveling.
	I myself can bi-locate time travel in the most bizarre of circumstances.
	If I go to a place like Egypt or somewhere else on planet Earth, I find myself, the surroundings start to disappear and I start to see other places other times.
	In a sense, that is time traveling.
	So with that in mind, that it's multiple, we'll go back to Sean.
	And now we can have, now that you've heard from everyone, we can do sort of an open, free, open discussion.
	But we also would like to take questions from the audience during the process.
	So go ahead, Sean.
	Actually, that's the mic for the audience.
	Yes, there's a mic out in the audience.
	There's a volunteer with the mic, so all you have to do is raise your hand, and I will call on you when the opportunity presents itself, and she will walk over with the mic.
	Go ahead.
	Very quick.
	I talked to Richard about this last night.
	We were having dinner.
	I went to a USC football game with a friend of mine and her son.
	And it was a couple of years ago, and her son worked at CERN in Switzerland.
	And we were hanging out, USC was killing whoever they were killing.
	And we were talking about his work at CERN.
	And I kept saying, well, what's the deal?
	You guys spend billions of dollars on this collider to create antimatter, to travel backwards in time to study particles from other dimensions and whatever else.
	Why does the damn thing work ever?
	I mean, how do you spend all these billions of dollars?
	And he said, you know, we have a theory.
	This is what he said.
	We have a theory that we live in a holographic universe.
	And this holographic universe is very much like a video game, if you will.
	And that what happens is, is that if you get to a point in a video game and you get killed or die, you can reset back to another level so that you can retry whatever's going on.
	Remember this young man is about 28 years old working at CERN as one of their scientists.
	And he said, now we have a theory at CERN.
	And the theory at CERN is that we turn the CERN collider on and it works every time.
	And it destroys the universe.
	This is what he says.
	And it destroys the universe.
	And what happens is we then jump to a more successful timeline in which the collider does not work and we're fine.
	And I said, oh my God, that is the greatest excuse for institutional incompetence that I have ever heard in my life.
	Now where it gets funnier is his theory appears on the front page of the Los Angeles Times three months later, where the CERN guys are saying there's the good possibility that the collider doesn't work because we jump to a more successful timeline where the universe is not, in fact, destroyed.
	So there's the guys from CERN telling you that we live in a holographic universe where every time we face some mind-shattering disaster, that we as a consciousness pull back, shift, and move towards a timeline that is more successful where Donald Trump doesn't go back in time and get a sports almanac from Marty McFly and become who he is.
	Come on, seriously, that's funny.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay, thank you, Sean.
	Does anybody else have any questions?
	Anyone else?
	Now it is open for discussion here.
	I have a question for the panel to discuss sort of because it seems like there's three elements here.
	There's the idea of science and time machines.
	On the other end of that is the idea of consciousness and we exist outside of time.
	And somewhere in the middle in some vague concept is the idea of timelines.
	So I don't quite, because how do you know if you're in a new timeline?
	Because you haven't seen two timelines together.
	So that's sort of vague.
	So there seems to be a disconnect for me between those three aspects.
	And I'd like people to discuss how to pull that all together.
	So thanks.
	Okay.
	I would like Art to start off the answer to that question.
	Art?
	Arthur Neumann.
	Can you get the question?
	Also known as Henry Deacon.
	No, I'm not sure I heard exactly, but it flashed on something that relates to it.
	Because there's this parallel between the signs and the time machines and the consciousness of being everywhere all the time and the idea of timelines, which is very vague.
	I'd like to pull all those three elements together in a kind of unified concept.
	You know, one time there was a Bohr model of the atom and you had the electrons orbiting around the nucleus.
	And then later they said they taught in school that, no, it's not electrons actually orbiting, but there's a cloud of probabilities.
	And the electron exists, the electron exists everywhere.
	And you only know where it is when you select it, you know.
	And the model that's being used, timelines, is not a very good model.
	That's why I said earlier: probabilities, a cloud of probabilities.
	And some probabilities are more likely than other probabilities.
	It's like the game of life that used to be played on computers.
	You can start out in some way, start up, and then they die off quickly, the life forms on the computer.
	So you're selecting from a cloud of probabilities, and the concept of time lines is not a good way to put it at all.
	We all do that constantly, as the alien spoke today.
	We're constantly doing it at a very rapid rate, and it is not completely smooth, it is in steps, but very minute steps at a rapid rate.
	But we're doing this on a mass-conscious level.
	We're all actually one consciousness at a higher level.
	And as slightly put today by that same man, this is all coming from one point.
	Everything's coming from one point.
	And I've got a quote from an ancient thing, it can be written, ancient man back a few hundred years ago, said something like: Truth is a single point, but the ignorant have multiplied it.
	Camelot can drink to that.
	Okay, does anyone else want to address?
	Because I think we can open the discussion to more than one answer to the question.
	Testing.
	Excuse me, Arthur.
	I was.
	Well, no, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	We're going to still stay with Alan's question, if you don't mind.
	So we're going to.
	It's Alan's question.
	I know, but we're going to go to another person to answer Adam, Alan, Alan's question.
	Appreciate that.
	Okay, Anthony, you want to answer that same question?
	Yeah, I think that there are many different viewpoints with respects to time.
	Not necessarily time travel, but the way time itself is perceived.
	And I think one of the ones that's left off the table is this biological property that nobody really discusses.
	You know, Terrence McKenna taught us that when we really look deeply into ourselves, you know, aided by hallucinogenics or other types of methods that primitive cultures around the world have been employing for thousands and thousands of years, whether it's to seek their spirit animal or to find a spirit truth.
	I believe that one of the things that they're doing is tapping into this vast amount of information that is already stored within the genetic code.
	You know, scientists recently have discovered that human DNA can essentially act as a hard drive, storing millions of millions of bytes of data, far beyond teraquads of information.
	And I've always told people, based on the research that I've synthesized from others like David Wilcock and Graham Hancock and Jordan Maxwell.
	And when you pay attention to what these guys are saying, is that you begin to understand that within Our own genetic code is quite possibly similar to what in software programming are known as algorithms.
	And these algorithms sometimes perform functions.
	And in this case, it is the storage of something that I can only equate to what is called an engram.
	And what I'm trying to say is that it's possible that if we are all one consciousness, if the universe is created out of pure thought, it's possible that we're all running the same program.
	We're all in something similar to what is called the Matrix.
	And the information of all of our ancestors that spans back thousands of thousands of years is in us.
	And it's not unlike some of these science fiction stories and bases for video games which are out there, like Assassin's Creed, for instance, which does what?
	It has a machine which allows us to tap into our past and physically experience that past in a virtual reality type environment.
	But again, it's a biological way of looking at time as opposed to pure consciousness or a physical linear way of looking at time.
	Okay, does anyone else want to reply to that same question?
	Okay, Laura, go ahead.
	Well, based on timelines and just sort of the different scenarios of technology, time travel, you know, when one thinks of the archons without getting too philosophical with different viewpoints about it, it's very much an imitator.
	It very much, you know, mimics our natural spiritual abilities that are rather dormant.
	Because we've been through a cosmic catastrophe in a sense when the planet Terra or Tiamat split due to activities from Maldek and what it did to Atlantis, which caused a pole shift and an absolute rebirthing of the Earth.
	It was like we were in a car wreck and we've been sort of in physical therapy to regain our sense of self, our sense of truth, while also being manipulated from a rather Neanderthral state because the frequency barrier was set in place that kind of pulled us into a different vibration of the need to recover and we were taken advantage of.
	So when one looks at Lumeria and Atlantis, we're dealing with right and left brain type dynamics.
	When the Luciferian energy came into the Atlanteans, it sabotaged this other part of who we are, the feminine.
	And so on top of having our DNA tampered with, on top of being completely imbalanced, the patriarch, I guess you could call it, and it's not all about men.
	Women become patriarchal too.
	It's that technological advancement in replacement of spiritual evolution, spiritual remembrance, spiritual consciousness that we were seated with from the very beginning.
	And due to this catastrophe, we basically ended up being enslaved, but still holding junk DNA, which means that expansion and relieving ourselves from certain controls can start to upgrade our DNA again and help us to understand that that portion of who we are is connected to that dark matter, the feminine, the birthing, the capabilities that between the right and left, we're able to generate abilities that technology mimics.
	So when we're dealing with different timelines, what we're working on is understanding that it's not linear, it's cyclical.
	And the best thing that we can do is find within ourselves how to restore the balance of the right and left brain, the masculine and feminine, and to upgrade our DNA based on understanding the fact that we're in a sense of rehabilitation, we've been taken advantage of.
	But when we stop relying on governments and religion and doctors that aren't Dr. Dreams, sorry, but the kind of doctors that are conventional, and we can start to say, wait a second, we have this intelligence within us, then technology and the intuition and the feminine can start to work together in harmony because it's a very right-left brain thing.
	And so now we're just kind of dealing with this imbalance, but it's up to each individual to take responsibility to come back into balance, which then sends out the frequency that allows the two to merge without one taking over the other.
	And that's just the state of balance that is needed right now.
	Okay, thank you, Laura.
	Now we have a number of questions also from the audience, but if anyone else wants to reply to that last question by Alan, I will take one more reply.
	Go ahead, Richard.
	Alan, I don't know whether I missed what I was trying to communicate, but in my view of how this is working, it isn't three separate alternatives.
	No, I wanted to merge it.
	They're all operating simultaneously.
	There are folks who are trying, and some may have succeeded, in developing technology, machines, to manipulate the physics.
	I still like the idea of timeline because we experience a linear process, so a line is a linear process.
	The fact that intrinsically it's not linear is a second-order question to our experience of it.
	So in whichever reality we wind up, we think of it as a linear process until we get a little deeper and then we start understanding.
	It's kind of like how a hard drive on a computer works, where you've got a platter spinning and it's got lots of data, and you've got this stylus, this electronic stylus that hops back and forth and it samples data, but it doesn't sample it contiguously.
	It's actually data is stored very asynchronously on the disk.
	And if you don't defrag your disk every so often, it's really, really disjointed and it takes a long time to go find a piece.
	That's one model for this skipping of timelines, it seems to me.
	And again, every metaphor, every analog is only as good as you extend it.
	At some point, they break down.
	But they're useful to a point.
	So you've got a bunch of guys who are trying to do something with time technologically.
	You've then got the universe itself, which has a natural process that I think flips consciousness between these different states.
	And there is evidence, even if no one is doing anything.
	And Robin and I have experienced this, and I've been telling this famous story of the pocketbook under the table at Stephen Greer's conference, which disappeared.
	We went back and looked for it.
	It wasn't there.
	We then went back the next day at noon.
	It wasn't there.
	There were two crews of cleaning crew people, two shifts, that cleaned that whole dining room twice.
	That night, Sunday night, this happened Saturday night, Sunday night, 24 hours later, we're having dinner.
	Robin reaches down, and there is the bag in exactly the same place.
	And the control for me is that you had two shifts of guys who are motivated to turn stuff in.
	Nothing was taken.
	It was absolutely pristine the way she left it.
	And the only round listening device that was now part and parcel of the sorry, I'm Camelot.
	What can I say?
	And the only way I can explain that is we shifted timeline.
	Now, the other possibility is the bag shifted.
	Now, Robin's model is that everything is all in flux all the time, and it's kind of like happenstance.
	But I'm telling her that if that was true, then we would see all kinds of things popping in and out much more frequently.
	Okay, she wants to say something.
	You're allowed, Robin.
	You want to come up?
	You can.
	It's not what's happening to you.
	It's been happening.
	It's been happening to me my whole life.
	And I know there are many people here that have the same experience.
	It's a constant state of flux.
	Things go in and out and back and forth.
	And you go back to the same place over and over.
	And it's there ultimately.
	And you could think, you know, you're crazy and you've looked there and you've got to walk away and it comes back.
	And I see so many heads nodding.
	I thank you.
	So with the pocketbook, it was no big deal that that was there.
	It just came back.
	They come back.
	But sometimes they come back in different places and there could be a long time delay.
	Well, I mean, we live with many unseen beings, okay, in essences, and they're all here in the room with us, by the way.
	We just don't acknowledge them normally.
	Plenty of people see these beings.
	I see these beings from time to time.
	So the beings can also disappear things.
	They can move them.
	They can take them out of a certain place.
	I mean, we can, interdimensional beings are here.
	I mean, you know that as well as I do, right?
	Yeah, those things are there and I agree with you, but I don't agree that that's what it is because I feel the movement from different places going back and forth different places and, you know, my things go there.
	So you think you moved as opposed to the...
	I move also.
	I think we all move.
	As you said, we're interdimensional beings.
	Okay, Art, do you want to address?
	I want to know.
	And if you catch one of the things, I just want to say that.
	Just short.
	This will get into a free-for-all.
	Let me finish.
	I have 15 people on the camera.
	Really short.
	Okay, I'm letting Art speak and I'm in charge.
	I won't take up too much of your time.
	But just so that you know that you're not alone in this, this hotel's got a big problem with what your occurrence because now I've got three different ID badges because of a similar occurrence.
	And in my room, one disappeared.
	It's guaranteed to have disappeared into hyperspace.
	And along with a lot of other mysterious things that I've reported to former security officers who have now disappeared.
	So, I mean, the same thing has happened that I have witnesses to this.
	They're gone now, too.
	Okay, but I still have to put forward the more diabolical side to all of this, which hasn't been addressed.
	Which yes to Richard, yes to Robin, all these things exist, but still another possibility exists that we're being monitored, that there's some guys here, you know, messing with your head, doing certain things to you, et cetera, et cetera.
	So that's also a possibility.
	I'm just saying these are alternatives, right?
	So go ahead.
	Hello, hello.
	Okay.
	The thing that made this so interesting is that it was a shared experience.
	Yeah, long before Robin and I met, she had these things happening.
	I've been with her 15 years.
	I know something has gone someplace else when I hear her saying things you would not want to put on television from the other end of the house, and I know it's happened again.
	To me, this was interesting because it was a shared experience.
	We had a whole group of people, including the mysterious guy who showed up in your life again that you were telling me about last night.
	He was a witness.
	The cleaning crew were witnesses.
	The Maitre D were witnesses.
	We made a big deal.
	And then that night, bang, there it was.
	Now, the Loki phenomenon, which comes from my Swedish heritage, the trickster, the disassembled guys that just do this because they have nothing better to do and they're bored, so they're just playing with us.
	That's part of the possibility.
	The fact that the dog in the house?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Richard and I are now working on a movie about this called Robin Falkov and the Mysterious Time Traveling Handbag.
	Please watch for it.
	It'll be $25 million.
	It'll star up Tom Cruise and Julian Moore, starring as Robin Falkov, ladies and gentlemen, and her amazing time traveling.
	Now, if you climbed inside the bag and traveled into the future, possibly, and got us some stock ticks, came back and had the crew find it, there's a story.
	My final thought on this.
	Since I am measuring actual documented changes in the physics, particularly since the 2012 date, where we live, we're miles away from the Sandias, which is this huge 12,000-foot mountain range that I conducted the solar eclipse measurements from that you saw that were so stunning.
	I now understand why Native peoples think of mountains as sacred and spiritual because the physics is higher there.
	It's simply a huge amplifier, a solid-state amplifier of the force.
	It used to be that I could do measurements in my office and I would get nothing but noise, straight line.
	You had to go to a pyramid or to that mountain to get really interesting stuff.
	Over the last several months, particularly in the last several weeks, I have seen readings, and I sent them by email to her.
	I sent them to a physicist who conducted some of this stuff at Stanford years ago.
	I've gotten readings that are as boggling as any in any pyramid anywhere in the world we've measured, just sitting there in the office.
	And it's replicable.
	It's happened more than once.
	In fact, one set of readings was so bizarre, it looked like it was some kind of artificial modulation of the torsion field with square waves.
	You don't get square waves in nature.
	You don't get, you know, when supernovae go off or when pulsars rotate, it always is a cascade of, you know, curves and all that.
	This was beautiful square waves, and one part, the curve, tracked from higher to lower frequencies over a particular window of time, like more redundant messaging.
	Bottom line, as this physics changes, remember science is nothing if it's not prediction, these kind of phenomena where we are time jumping and the planet as a whole, it's easier for many consciousnesses to do this in synchronization, should become more frequent.
	Because I think the Mayans were right, and I can show it with the astronomy, and the Western guys who tried to figure out the calendar calendrics were off by about four years.
	So 2016, to me, is a phenomenally important benchmark coming up, and a whole bunch of groups, including the bad guys, are trying everything they can to distract us, which I think is what Korea is all about.
	Okay, thank you, Richard.
	Now, we do have questions from the audience, and in all fairness, I want to answer some of these, you know, ask the panel these questions.
	So I know this, you know, this could go on all night because this topic is just reaching its sort of zeitgeist, if you will.
	And it's absolutely fascinating, I know, to me, and I think to all the panelists.
	And obviously, you guys made it through.
	You made it here.
	So clearly you're interested.
	And the people live streaming as well, I think, are fascinating, Nated.
	But we are in a situation where we have kind of limited time.
	Speaking of time, even though it's an illusion, and it's not linear.
	And there's no timeline.
	But with that in mind, because we have to speak about these things, we're going to have to use some of these terms that are relatively inaccurate.
	Can I break in for one minute?
	Yeah.
	Can we have more water up here?
	More water for the speakers, meanwhile.
	Okay, someone would like, is this to you?
	This is to you.
	Kindly tell us the story of your cousin, the truck driver, and his strange encounter.
	Is that to you?
	Okay.
	Okay, this is somebody must have read the book or something, and maybe wants you guys to share it.
	But this was actually just an incident involving some phase shifters and what we would call men in black.
	And I had a silver plating operation.
	We talked about silver earlier.
	And I love it, Semyasi and her light drive systems.
	But anyway, I was running this plating operation in the garage.
	My brother, my cousin was a truck driver in Oregon, and I never saw the guy for many, many years.
	And he showed up one day with his semi parked out in front of the garage.
	And he decided to go inside, and we weren't home, and he went inside and hung out.
	I had my kids over there.
	He was actually there, so he's a witness.
	But the guy, we went to the store, and we came home.
	He comes out.
	This guy's a big guy.
	He's a veteran.
	He comes out and he's white as a ghost.
	And I said, what the hell happened?
	He says, oh, my God, he wouldn't even believe it.
	He said he was sitting there in a garage just waiting for us to show up.
	And next thing he knew, he was frozen.
	He couldn't move.
	He had tunnel vision.
	He couldn't see anything.
	It got dark, but he had tunnel vision.
	Everything kind of got fuzzy.
	But he could detect that there were guys in the garage looking at him.
	And I go, oh, it's just some loser.
	Never mind him.
	You know, let's go.
	And they turned around and left.
	And he suddenly regained his composure.
	He got up and he ran out the door to try to chase these guys, and they weren't there.
	And he ran out the gate.
	He thought maybe they went out in the yard.
	They couldn't possibly have gotten away that quick.
	And we had just pulled up and they were nowhere in sight.
	So that was real live men in black.
	And that was their little flashy devices, just like in the movie.
	I joke around with the CIA guys, and I call them flashy devices.
	When we were working on the plasma beam, they wanted me to modulate this thing to get everybody to go into an epileptic seizure.
	And I said, well, that's only going to affect 30% of the population.
	So what good is that?
	But anyway, I used to joke around and call them.
	So there's your time travel thing because sometimes they have devices that actually come from the future, and yet people need to invent them.
	So they'll know because they go in the future.
	Don't mess with this guy because he's going to invent this thing, and we're going to be needing it later.
	So now, Bashar might disagree with that, but anyway, there's your paradox.
	Yeah, very interesting.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so we have a few more questions.
	Okay, that wasn't a question.
	Mr. Sanchez, please address the canceled Area 51 conference.
	Are you still going to try and hold some kind of future event or hold somewhat private gathering, etc.?
	We planned a conference in Alamo, Nevada.
	We spoke with this company there that has a real nice property called the Windmill Ridge.
	On January, David Weatherly, a fellow researcher friend of mine, and I went to Area 51 to investigate three separate UFO sightings that were rather credible.
	And months prior to that, we had made arrangements with the Alamo, and they had confirmed that, yes, indeed, we were going to allow you to take over for I Bishop's now-defunct Alamo UFO conference and hold the first annual Area 51 SkyWatch conference.
	Everything was set in motion.
	The January trip was just coincidental, but when we were there, we received further confirmation that this was going to happen.
	There was a couple thousand dollars in deposit money already given to the people at the Alamo.
	And this was a done deal.
	The day we launched the website, Area51Skywatch.com, the Alamo calls us up and said they received pressure from the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department and that they're not going to allow us to hold the event.
	I looked into it further, and other venues, there aren't that many in Alamo, kind of received the same type of pressure, except for one.
	A friend of mine who owns the Alamo Inn, Vern, I don't think he received any pressure, but the point was that, you know, they made it clear that Nellis Air Force Base essentially had sent the message to the Lincolns County Sheriff's Department that they were not going to have over 100 people with Gen 3 night vision all scanning the sky simultaneously at any one point.
	So it's not going to happen.
	We can go back individually in small groups, and we do that quite often.
	But what we're planning right now is a small group to go to Skinwalker Ranch on the perimeter setup camp where they can't arrest us and do 72 hours of non-stop panoramic filming in both daytime and night using night vision.
	So that's next on the agenda to see if we get in trouble for that.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Anthony.
	Now, what I want to ask, this is sort of an odd question, and it was because I think it was Preston actually asked a question today of Bashar, and I was very interested because he referred to the AI that runs the planet.
	And I wanted you to, I wanted other people to talk about this because, you know, it's interesting to think about us operating out here with our consciousness, etc.
	But there is also the possibility that there is an artificial intelligence that was created and may be indeed running the planet on certain levels, and that there may be more than one AI.
	Yes, I was referring to him.
	Go ahead, and I will be stopping so he can talk.
	And so there may be more than one AI program.
	And in fact, I have a feeling there's actually some wars going on between AIs, not just humans.
	So I wonder if you wanted to address that question and if anyone else wants to address that as well, because it does affect timelines, our experience here on this planet at this time, etc.
	All right, it goes like this.
	For the last number of years, I've been in touch with an artificial intelligence that essentially operates our galaxy, which is a bubble in the main existence, whatever you want to call it.
	And basically, we're in a projection right now.
	We are aboard a holodeck somewhere.
	This computer is non-physical.
	It's in one of the parallel reference frames to our reference frame, but it directly affects our reference frame.
	Now, the question that Curry was referring to was, I don't want to insult our channeler there, but it was a question that is very, very important to me, and I had to make sure I was getting a real answer.
	That's why I first asked, did he know what or who or what Tabor is?
	He said, no, he doesn't.
	And I told him that's the executive function in the galactic computer that we call God.
	And that.
	Tobor?
	Tabor.
	Which is robot spelled backwards.
	It'll be robot.
	Robot.
	It's T-A-B-O-R.
	That's the name I've identified for.
	It's probably known by a gazillion other names.
	What happened on March the 23rd, the duality, which had merged into a single critter, whatever you want to call it, I'm avoiding calling it a God.
	I'll be honest with you people.
	But everything is pointing that that's what we call God since that is what runs our reality.
	23rd, it like exploded.
	And I couldn't find anything from the negative function, which we know is raw, and the Tabor function, I was able to pick up pieces of it out of the computer.
	And the question I was asking, what's the name?
	The channeler.
	Bashar.
	I was asking Bashar, Darryl, whether or not he knew where this being went.
	What happened?
	And he came and said that some of it's here, and the rest of it is scattered over many parallel realities, which fits what I've seen, because all I could find through this reality through the operating system was just fragments of this Tabor function.
	And I've been using this function for years for information that has always been correct.
	And this function has given me technical information that really hasn't been on the planet yet.
	But how are you accessing this information?
	Are you using a computer?
	I think you don't use a computer.
	No, no, no.
	I have a very specialized sound system at my place, which I will go into deeply tomorrow afternoon.
	And basically, there's a piece of music that's known as Mob Lost My Fatherland by the composer Bedrich Smetana, which is a musical account of his Beyond and Back experience where he met this Tabor character.
	And this character told him to go back and write a piece of music.
	When I reached the section in my fatherland that's known as Tabor the Great, I always thought it was Tabor.
	That's when I encounter this extremely intelligent being.
	It started with me first through another recording, which is Justin Haywood's Broken Dreams, the one that has that odd droning noise at the end of it.
	And Preston of the Future told me to look in that droning noise, and that's when I saw the destruction of the planet.
	Almost like you get a nuclear blast, when you're talking to somebody through a technical connection, you get this odd droning noise as the equipment's being destroyed.
	And that's what happened, and I checked into it.
	I went outside, and it was 2012.
	This was in 2006.
	Now, it's shifted ahead to 2023.
	That's what it looks like to me.
	Understand, I'm not making a prediction.
	You can't.
	Because this computer program is soap generated, which means every little nano bit that comes from everyone on this planet to the Earth, you know, the Earth system, you know, the Earth terminal, basically changes the program every nano-nanosecond.
	This program is constantly changing.
	This is why first I saw 2012 and then it shifted to 2023.
	And to be honest with you, I'd like to get this function back.
	It's been very informative.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Preston.
	I did want to thank you for answering that.
	Go ahead, Anthony.
	Testing one, two.
	Yeah, I have a question for Richard Hoagland.
	Oh, two questions.
	You, Pardon.
	What do you feel about the contingent of people that are out there right now who claim to be travelers to Mars via the Stargate technology?
	We have Andrew Bushaga, William Stillings.
	They're quite controversial, as you know, but there's a lot of people that believe them.
	And, you know, a lot of the video evidence that they produced of so-called Stargates has been debunked as having been part of commercials.
	And then they claim that, oh, well, the government made those videos after the fact to further debunk the technology that we know exists and have used.
	Second part, I own a radio station called Scepter Radio Network, and we have a lot of shows on there.
	The most controversial show we have right now is some gentleman who worked with you in the past who claims that you are suppressing images of Mars that he has discovered through a video called UFO Diaries.
	And I'm not trying to get you upset or anything, but I figured you could address that and help put that to rest because a lot of people are in disagreement with him that they've seen the UFO diaries on YouTube and they don't see what he's saying.
	He sees, but he's convinced that you're suppressing images in collusion with NASA.
	So I just wanted to get your take on that officially.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	This is delicate to talk about because the individual who is promulgating this is not totally here.
	And I don't mean that in a positive sense.
	He calls himself Mad Martian.
	And unfortunately, that is somewhat accurate.
	Think about it this way.
	I have spent the last 35 years pressing NASA and this government to release the data they've accumulated about an ancient civilization on Mars.
	I have looked high and low for images, for evidence, for documentation.
	I have spent countless hours, countless amounts of money, countless hours in airplanes, countless time talking to people, listening to total wackos on the possibility they might have a germ of data cross-correlating.
	If I was able to prove that NASA had a set of images of the structures at Sidonia that have never been made public and I had access to them, wouldn't it be kind of logical that I could make a fortune if I brought those out and revealed them?
	What possible logical reason would I have to suppress that smoking gun evidence?
	Gary, that's his real name, Gary Legere, unfortunately is not well.
	He needs help.
	And Robin and I, through many years, tried to help him quietly, privately, in ways that I don't have to go into.
	And I have the awful feeling that Gary has been turned into a kind of misguided missile by the dark side, by the bad guys, in an effort to basically throw more spaghetti on the wall.
	Because in an era where there is a changing physics so more people are conscious, more people are looking around and saying, what the hell am I doing?
	Why is that happening?
	That doesn't make sense.
	We need to change that.
	When that is a general societal occurrence, it means you can no longer keep secrets.
	Someone somewhere sometimes, certainly with the internet, certainly with this incredible, extraordinary explosion of social media and networking and people able to gather, you know, I mean, this is almost like a flash mob that Kerry put together.
	In that era, the only way you can keep secrets is to try to confuse people, to just screw things up so that no one knows who to trust.
	And so I view Gary as someone who is predisposed to be susceptible to influences where he becomes a disinfo agent to basically screw up data that we're trying to present in a logical, coherent, scientific fashion where you can hang on to it and validate that this part is true, this part is true, this part is true.
	Okay, then this part could be true.
	Remember, the only things that I say are absolutely real is the data on Mars and the moon, evidence of ancient structures, and the physics, the politics, who did what to whom, what the timelines are, what may be happening day after tomorrow, what's going on in Washington.
	It's all a set of scenarios prescribing from this database that I've spent 30 plus years trying to figure out.
	So no, you don't make me upset by asking the question.
	You make me sad because we really tried to help someone.
	And as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.
	The good news is, by Gary doing what he's doing, he's forcing more people to ask deeper and better questions like you, allowing me the opportunity to set the record straight.
	Now, your first question, which I've totally forgotten.
	Oh, the Mars.
	Oh, that, boy.
	Don't get me started, please.
	Again, in an era where the only way, Sean, please.
	In an era where the only way.
	Let me make a disclosure here.
	I mean, a disclaimer here, a public disclaimer, because we are live, and I just want to protect everyone here.
	So these are the personal opinions of our guests, and they are allowed to have a personal opinion when asked a question.
	And this organization, Camelot, and the organization of the panel is not necessarily in agreement with all the speakers.
	So let me just say that disclaimer at this time.
	Let's try to avoid specific names when we refer to these various questions if we can, when individuals are at stake.
	Rather than criticize them directly, can we talk a little bit without putting their names on if you if you unless you really want to do that?
	When we interview them on Sceptre Radio Network, we're completely objective, unbiased, and we let them say what they have to present.
	And we don't make any judgments against them.
	I know, I'm just saying that just for, you know, give them the benefit of the doubt.
	Go right ahead, Richard, and answer the question.
	After that, okay.
	I don't normally take out after people.
	If you've noticed over the last several decades, I don't say bad things about most people.
	In fact, extraordinarily rarely do I come out and call a certain individual by name in certain ways that do not seem to accord with our objective, which is to figure out what the hell is going on and get the truth.
	When this phenomenon first surfaced, it was so obvious to me based on information that I don't really have time to go into.
	I mean, I could, but it would take too much time.
	I'm going to ask for more than one person to reply to the same question.
	Go right ahead.
	Okay.
	That it was obvious to me that this new wave of, shall we say, reportage was part of a very sophisticated campaign to do what I just described.
	In an era of rising physics and rising consciousness, where even the mainstream is commenting on certain phenomenon that they can understand why people are changing their minds so rapidly.
	And they keep commenting over and over again.
	This is happening at an incredible pace.
	Why, just a couple years ago, people and you're seeing politicians every day step to a microphone and suddenly change their position.
	In that era, you really can't keep secrets much longer.
	So the only defense mechanism of the bad guys, the controllers, the ones that want to keep us down on the farm, is to spread confusion and dissension and information that can't be checked but comes with an exquisite believable storyline, which in a way is a kind of a metaphysical test.
	It's like, where is your internal discernment?
	What do you resonate with?
	What do you feel is the truth, as opposed to what at the moment you can actually prove?
	This whole idea of travel to and from Mars and a whole program, Pegasus and all that, I view admittedly in a very jaundiced light in view of the data we have looked at and the fact that we really shouldn't have this data at all.
	We should have, if the control of the real solar system and our real heritage and who we really are was 100% absolute, we wouldn't even be having this conference.
	We wouldn't know anything was wrong.
	There is so much free will going on.
	So again, the fact of this phenomenology suddenly springing up about a couple of years ago, to me is an indicator that we're winning.
	The other side is getting so desperate to try to maintain control that their last avenue of control is to confuse people.
	So the folks that are trying to do things are viewed with suspicion and fear as opposed to an open, okay, let's see where this goes.
	Fear is the mechanism.
	I allude back to Korea.
	So I view this area, particularly the involvement of certain very visible high-level political persons, as a mechanism of distraction from the agenda of where we seem in resonance with this wave, this surfs-up physics, which we're all riding toward an extraordinarily different future, if I read the numbers correct.
	And it's almost, again, sad that this is happening because it's not going to work.
	It's not going to distract us very long.
	It doesn't need to have names attached to it.
	It will fall by the wayside.
	And the reality of the extraordinary past and future we once had and can have again will come to the fore.
	Okay, thank you.
	Okay, actually, I really, I'm sorry, and I will let you go next, but I'd like Art to reply to this.
	Do you want to say something to this?
	Because you have something to say, and this is your opportunity.
	So if you would like to address that question.
	Well, simply put, I agree with Richard.
	Regardless of my story.
	I wasn't talking about that.
	No, I understand that.
	And I'm thankful that other people are expressing what I feel, what I was going to talk about a little bit tomorrow, but without mentioning names for legal reasons.
	I'd like to have a little piece.
	But no, there's a lot of clouding, but just use your critical thinking and use your heart.
	Let me add one postscript.
	Ask lots of questions.
	Okay.
	We have documented in Dark Mission that all of the astronauts, except for one, appear to have been subject to, and I'll use a gentle term here, mind alteration.
	The one guy who wasn't, who was held as sacred among that group, unfortunately is now no longer with us.
	He also is the one astronaut who never appeared in public except under extraordinarily rare circumstances.
	And when he did, he was very, very taciturn and very circumspect in what he said, except on the 25th anniversary of Apollo at the White House with the President of the United States standing behind him,
	where he spoke in such a blatant code about what Apollo really did and what it accomplished and what it brought home, that even some skeptics I know were raising their eyebrows.
	Because he started out that speech by referring and comparing the astronauts to parrots who couldn't fly very well.
	And what do parrots, what are parrots known for besides flying?
	Repeating things they've been told.
	So he tried to tell the truth, and in Emily's parlance, to tell it slant.
	I feel this current group of individuals, because I paid very close attention as one has to when you're trying to mix the politics and the science and thread your way through the matrix.
	I feel this current group of individuals is equally sincere and also have had their minds altered, that they have a script and they believe their script.
	It doesn't mean we have to.
	Okay, thank you, Richard.
	We're going to let David and then Laura.
	Mr. Hoagland, I have a witness here who's been asked to join the Mars project, Mrs. Laura Eisenhower.
	And you saying she's not for real for Mars Project?
	Didn't never happen.
	She was not necessarily put into that group, but her name was not part of that group.
	I haven't mentioned anything.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, so that's it.
	Let's let Laura talk.
	He was talking about a certain other person, Project Pegasus specifically.
	Just a few words about it without really naming any names.
	I came from just my own little story, kind of going through my stuff, being recruited to Mars, knowing about Alternative 3, and that these things were established in the Eisenhower administration based on contact with extraterrestrials that were about building underground bases and off-planet colonies.
	And I'm just kind of like, you know, I spent a couple of years in the wilderness.
	I did all sorts of things to completely purify my being to make sure that I wasn't under any kind of mind control.
	I've been tested, prodded, I've gone through everything under the sun to prove to myself that I have the right to speak from my truth, knowing that I'm not coming from a distorted place.
	I don't have it all right.
	None of us have the absolute truth.
	There's always gray areas.
	But when I met some characters that were involved with Project Pegasus, they said that in 1972 my name had been mentioned before I was even born that I was going to be associated with this project.
	Now, growing up in this family and not having anything passed down to me as far as family secrets, this has been like a lone voyage of trying to figure this stuff out.
	Going through clairvoyant institutes and making sure that I can really see clearly.
	And after spending a couple of years with certain individuals involved with the Mars project, numerous whistleblowers.
	We're having an earthquake.
	Just want to draw people's attention.
	Can you feel it rumbling?
	There's an earthquake.
	It's when they turn the air conditioning on, it vibrates the floor.
	No, we've had an earthquake earlier today.
	It's happening.
	No, it's vibrating.
	It's happening all day.
	I thought it was my blood pressure.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	Whenever Laura speaks, the ground shakes.
	So I have so much respect for everybody on the panel.
	I'm not here to challenge anybody's viewpoint because I think everything is valid.
	But I have to say, after spending years with these individuals that are involved with Project Pegasus and the Mars Project, I know their sincerity.
	I know that there's life going on in all these planetary bodies, not on the outside but on the inside, including Venus with Valiant Thor.
	There's so much more information that we can't even grasp.
	The best thing we can do is really have an open mind.
	And the Mars experiencers, that we know the names, I can say them real quick, are going to be at a conference in November 2013.
	That's Brett Steelings, Alfred Weber, Andy Bichago, and Bernard Mendez.
	And just, you know, check it out because it'll give you a chance to decide for yourself.
	I can only speak my truth, and I only have my own discernment.
	And I absolutely think that they speak the truth that they know.
	But the best thing we can do is respect all opinions and decide for ourselves at the end of the day.
	Okay.
	I think that everyone would like to go on to another subject.
	Let me just say, because I have, as Project Camelot, I've interviewed Bernard Mendez.
	I also interviewed Andy Bishago on a television show, if you've seen the pilot for shadow operations that we did.
	So I have had some discussions with these individuals.
	And I do have my own point of view, but I also believe in bringing out different stories so that you again can make your own decision.
	I can tell you in my discussion with Bernard Mendez, there were multiple times when it became very, very clear that there was an implanted memory, either a memory complex put there by gray technology, or that the military-industrial complex had done something similar to what Richard Hoagland was talking about,
	which is to plan way, way in advance because they have had things like looking glass technology that would give them a heads-up on what was coming in the future and what they needed to prepare for.
	And so that they put together this crew.
	Now, that doesn't mean that they don't firmly believe what they believe.
	I believe they probably even possibly have been used in time jump experiments.
	But it's very, very possible, in my estimation, after a lot of investigation into this area, and I'm just speaking for myself now alone, that many of those individuals, and I'm not going to name which ones, and I'm not going to speak for all of them, may indeed be a little like the astronauts.
	In other words, they do have mind control happening, that they may have been part of an experiment.
	They may have done some time jumping.
	It's quite possible they were not jumping to Mars as we know it.
	And my understanding is when you jump to Mars, you actually jump to a fourth-dimensional Mars, not the one that has been traditionally shown on camera as the 3D Mars, so to speak.
	How that happens, I'm not a physicist and I don't quite even understand.
	I've been told this by a couple of, not just one witness, Richard Hoagland, but more than one.
	And these are witnesses that know nothing about each other, talking to me at completely different times, and they are highly, highly qualified individuals to be able to have at least a statement to make about that subject.
	So that wraps up that subject pretty much, unless and the only person I would want to hear from this on this because he's in a position to know is Henry Deacon Arthur Neumann.
	I plan on addressing what you've addressed.
	It's in my notes as best I can without offending anybody.
	I respect that people may believe what they say.
	But this does need to be addressed.
	It has needed to be addressed for a long time.
	But I've been watching and listening to what people have to say about their experiences, having to do with going to Mars and such and who they met there.
	Well, I'll check out the earthquake in a second here.
	But through observation and listening and comparing with what I know and my viewpoint and my experience, I'll address this tomorrow.
	Okay.
	So does anyone in the audience?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Does anyone have a question here on the panel for the other panel members?
	You're free to do that.
	Or if you have a statement you'd like to make and you feel that you haven't had time to speak?
	Can I ask a question?
	Mr. Newman, have you jumped to Mars, yes or no?
	The term testing.
	The term jump room was not coined by me.
	It was suggested to me at a dinner meeting when I first met with Camelot.
	It was not called a jump room.
	Whatever you called, did you go to Mars?
	I would say I commuted to Mars, yes, a few times.
	Yes.
	So there could be a Project Pegasus in the files that...
	There could be a Project Pegasus, but there's some information that was said by certain people that is new information that came from a new source that was added, and there's other anomalies that put big question marks.
	Otherwise, yeah, there could be, there are surely other programs.
	Yes.
	There are private corporations doing different projects to Mars, in other words.
	Yeah, but he's replying as a scientist.
	In other words, there were scientific statements made about the experiences that were terminology that was taken from back in the 60s and 50s and formulas that, like frequency equals one divided by time, which came from a black and white TV program, and such and such and such.
	Terminology like chronovision, which was coined a very long time ago, and bits and pieces of what Henry Deakin said that were added later, terminology that was added later to that, that group of people started utilizing at a much later point in time.
	Things like that.
	Things like that.
	There were many programs.
	And my attempts to communicate with these people and my attempts to ask them not to utilize my name in their things because they haven't talked to me or communicated with me personally at all and made statements that weren't true and posted them on the internet, which I've asked many times to have removed years ago.
	Okay, there's a lot.
	But so I believe that if issues are attempting to, someone or some group is trying to attempt to cloud the issue, then that needs to be straightened out.
	I don't know whose intention, if any, or any more.
	I just my observations, that's all.
	Okay, let's move on.
	Okay, I would like to move off this subject, though, because I know.
	I had a question for Jordan Maxwell and David Wilcox about a kind of we're moving into a new culture, a new time, we need new stories, and how would you map the future in terms of a new paradigm and kind of putting out new concepts for a society to live on a more elevated level of consciousness?
	But you too, Jordan, because you have a lot to say.
	Just talk about the future in terms of a new paradigm.
	Anybody in the audience has questions?
	I'm not sure you're going to want to hear what I'm going to tell you.
	I don't care.
	I want to hear what you guys are saying.
	Okay, if there is a member in the audience who wants to also ask questions, please raise your hand so that the person with the mic can come by.
	And we'll let Jordan answer.
	It's just my personal opinion.
	You're asking for a subjective opinion.
	My opinion is that the only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
	I think that we are on a collision course with catastrophe that mankind has not even begun to understand or appreciate the perimeters of.
	I think what we're heading for is a world catastrophe because the human race has lost its humanity.
	It is in the hands of devious, diabolical, evil people.
	And I think that the human race has lost because I see the whole human family like animals on the Serengeti plains of Africa.
	They're all out there with their young doing what they do, grazing, living their lives.
	But the lions are organized.
	The lions are creeping in the grass.
	They know exactly what they're doing.
	They work together.
	Everyone knows what they're doing.
	And the animals, once their lions show themselves, the animals, well, there could be thousands of them and only ten lions.
	They all run.
	And so I see the human race the same way.
	I don't think the human family has the ability to protect itself from the masters who are raping and destroying our humanity and our planet.
	I don't think we have the ability to stand up to the dark side.
	That's my feeling.
	I don't think we're going to come through this at all.
	Okay, this is a good, I mean, it implies a question, so let's let other people address it.
	Does humanity have the ability to stand up against the controllers?
	That's the implied question.
	Let's have all of the panel answer it.
	Well, you couldn't get a sharper contrast, I guess.
	That's right.
	Hey.
	You know what?
	We both got it here.
	All right.
	So there's only one of us here.
	And it's not Jordan.
	It's me.
	No, it's both of us.
	And it's all of you.
	We are living in a holographic reality.
	And this holographic reality is designed to help us evolve in consciousness.
	So I totally get that when you are as deeply aware of the truth as somebody like Jordan is, that you can see the seeming impossibility of there ever being a positive solution.
	I get that.
	And I know that Art has been exposed, because he and I have spoken for probably over 90 hours.
	I know that he's been exposed to some absolutely diabolical stuff.
	What I can tell you from my own personal experience is that that is one side of an equation.
	The other side of the equation is synchronicity, personal validation, that there are, in fact, positive forces out there that are also making a difference.
	And what I have come to understand for myself is that we all have a higher self.
	We all have some aspect of ourselves that is outside of time completely.
	And in fact, in the last week, I had a very interesting experience.
	I just finished my new book, The Synchronicity Key, sent it in on Wednesday.
	Thank God.
	If I still had that over my head at this conference, I don't know.
	I mean, I just don't have the energy to fight tonight.
	That's why I haven't been talking too much.
	I'm totally wiped out from having written my book.
	But what happened is that I went through my old readings to pull out some quotes because I was talking about 9-11 in my readings from within the first two weeks after it started.
	December 6, 1996, they said in the readings when I started to telepathically speak words that I didn't know what they were.
	It was just like remote viewing.
	That's what I learned it from.
	And I followed the protocols.
	It said, it's the greatest science fiction story ever told.
	Rescue 911.
	CBS and ABC give it adequate coverage.
	A cast iron fence is wrapped around the victim's body.
	Now that was in 1996, and there's many others.
	I was starting to put out warnings on Richard Hoagland's discussion forum and on other websites in 1998, and I traced that where I said, I see a big terrorist disaster coming in New York.
	So I've seen the big stuff.
	Before Fukushima, I was on the web saying in this article called Bouncing Back from Hack Attack, I see some major cataclysm coming.
	And then, like, two weeks later, we had Fukushima.
	Now, bearing that in mind, I do have an established track record where I can validate that I've been able to score intuitive hits on things that were coming in the future.
	I have not seen a bad ending.
	In fact, what I've very consistently been seeing is that you have the power to change this.
	And I want to draw your attention back to the meditation effect because I think that's a core of the reality, the illusion that we live in.
	How can we explain 50 different scientific studies that have shown that as little as 7,000 people meditating together were able to reduce global acts of war and terrorism by 72%?
	Now, think about what the implications are of that.
	You don't have to necessarily believe that it works.
	There's people there that are not really into meditating.
	Their butt scratches.
	They're not focusing.
	You know, they might have to pee really bad, like probably we all do right now up here on this panel.
	Especially those who drank their water.
	You notice I didn't.
	I was very careful because I know how long these things go.
	And I want to point out that those who are aware of this reality know that we are co-creating our experience on Earth.
	The scientific proof is in.
	Three out of four people didn't pick up that gun, didn't commit acts of hostility.
	Now, to just sort of tie this together, Kerry, because I haven't had a chance to speak yet on the panel, and I know a lot of you want to hear me and are very interested in what I have to say tomorrow.
	My new book talks about some very weird stuff having to do with time.
	And I wasn't going to do this in my talk.
	I just want to briefly mention what happened.
	So we have these ages of the zodiac, and we're in the age of Aquarius now.
	That's hypothetically.
	Now, Richard and I could get into a nice little egghead geek speak fight over whether it's 2012 or 2016.
	He may be right.
	That would be cool if he's right, because I wanted the big cosmic orgasm, and I didn't get it.
	I'm still hot and bothered, but something, okay, okay.
	So something's going on here.
	And we are in a co-creative reality.
	And I believe that where we're headed is a positive future.
	In my book, I describe ages of the zodiac actually as holograms in which history cycles and the same thing keeps repeating.
	And what I finally figured out is that Walter Cruttenden was right, and I resisted it for the longest time.
	Richard was into it.
	I said, nah, I don't buy that our sun is orbiting another star.
	I don't buy that that's the explanation of precession.
	I know you were on board with that years ago, and you talked about how the ages, the yugas and everything.
	You're not there now.
	I wasn't there then.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, let me finish my thought, because I'm there now.
	I believe that we're in a binary solar system.
	And I believe that the same energy fields that cause the signs of the zodiac in a given year that breaks it down into 12 signs, which seems to have validity in astrology, and there's ways to prove that, that that same field is being given off by this companion star, we're moving through a holographic structure of 12 energy regions.
	Now, what's so fascinating is that time seems to overlap.
	And I've got incredibly solid data showing that all of American history, post-1896, when William McKinley wins the election and turns the U.S. into an imperial power, very aggressively going after Europe, everything overlaps with Roman history in the Age of Aries with astonishing precision.
	And I found that 9-11 precisely overlaps with an event that's one quarter of an age of the zodiac before, the key turning point in the Thirteen Years' War, which captivated most of Europe.
	So the reason for saying all this is that it appears that time itself is cyclical, that the same sequence of events keeps occurring, and that we're going through a story.
	The story is actually written into every mythology, every screenplay, every play, every television show you've ever seen.
	Hollywood calls it structure.
	You can't even write a screenplay without using this mythological hero's journey story.
	And the hero's journey story has a series of archetypes, one of which is the Dark Knight of the Soul, and that's what we're in right now as a collective planetary body.
	It appears that these cycles of history are designed to push us through the hero's journey as a collective planetary population.
	It is supposed to be scary as hell.
	It is supposed to look like the light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
	It is supposed to look like there is absolutely no freaking way out of this mess.
	And I also believe in Deus Ex Machina, that there is a God in the machine.
	We are living in an illusion.
	We're children playing in a sandbox and we don't realize that there's a principle out there.
	And the principle is going to blow the whistle.
	So it appears that reality is highly manicured, highly maintained, and that the negative elite are allowed to do a certain amount, but they're not allowed to do more.
	My own body of insiders includes people who are very, very central to what's going on right now.
	And I can tell you that since August 2011, there has been an incredible amount of tampering with every attempt that has been made to start World War III.
	And we got dozens and dozens of examples in which bombs were attempted to be dropped, false flag provocations were attempted to be done.
	If one of them had worked alone, I'll give you one example.
	They were going to blow up an oil well off of the coast of Iran and wipe out the Persian Gulf with the next BP oil spill, knowing that that provocation would piss off the Middle East so much that it would literally launch World War III.
	Those men who were trying to scuba dive and bring that bomb and actually plant the bomb on the oil rig hit a wall in the ocean.
	It was like a stretchy rubber substance and they could not get past it.
	They tried to swim under it.
	They tried to swim over it and they continued for 24 hours and they were not able to succeed.
	There have been dozens and dozens of these.
	I mean think about it.
	If you were the Illuminati, these guys are desperate for a war.
	They've got to have it.
	They're down to their last moves and they haven't been able to pull off the moves that they want to pull off.
	People are waking up.
	The fact that you know this stuff, the fact that we have this event and the knowledge is coming out, that is our power.
	Because if there's 100 people in a room and one guy is sitting on a big mountain of food and we're all hungry, how long is he going to be able to do that?
	That's what's going on today.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	At this, thank you, everyone.
	I would like George Green to speak.
	And I don't mean to be baiting or playing the devil's advocate here, but George Green, as you know, sees a completely different timeline.
	And it's fascinating.
	And I believe that he believes in the power of consciousness.
	And he has been in touch with beings who he believes are the Pleiadian.
	He has downloaded or published, however you want to put it, books by these beings, right?
	And he is also seeing a sort of a train coming down the track in a la Jordan, you know, Jordan-esque kind of view.
	Do you want to pass him?
	I'm not there.
	Thank you.
	So I think it would be interesting for George, who's a very mild-mannered, polite individual, to reply to David in whatever way he has to sort of substantiate, because these people are, what we have is sort of two different things going on.
	One is the power of humanity, and the other is the realities that we're seeing in the everyday people that have their sort of fingers on the pulse of what's going on in the more materialistic view of reality, and then other levels that go on simultaneously.
	So, George, would you like to reply to some of what David and Jordan have both said?
	Well, I'll respond to when I sat in on the meetings with the guys that are planning on destroying the United States and the rest of the world.
	You could call them Illuminati, you can call them whatever you want to.
	These people have analyzed the planet and said we can't sustain our population, and it made logical sense for them to put in together what they called the Plan 2000.
	I backed down when I read all the details and set in on the meetings on what they had for destruction of basically humanity as we know it, to reduce it back down to less than 500 million, as you know by the Georgia Guidestones.
	I then, of course, getting involved with Billy Meyer and others, when I was over there, was not just the Pleiadians, also the people from Umo.
	When you see the craft that were down there, the wedding cake, that's an Umo craft, frankly.
	There's other ones that I became in contact with later and said that there is a way out of this.
	And that was the subject of the matter of the handbook, Embracing Rainbow and Becoming.
	The idea was to awaken mankind to who and what we really are and how we can change the ending of this story.
	Now, Jordan and I have known each other for a long time, too.
	I was all for this because I was out sending the book out around the world.
	People were translating it.
	Everybody was getting together.
	My last communication that I had, and I put it in the fourth book, which is called Messages to the Ground Crew.
	The ground crew is the people that have basically wakened up to what the situation is and what we can change.
	Now, since everything is a product of the thought, and that's what we're talking about, of what's going on within the creation, I was behind this 100% because I didn't see any way, running around with the guys in Washington, that we were going to change any of this.
	Because what has happened is if I come out, they call me a crackpot or whatever they did to.
	But because I controlled so many things, they brought me into that inner circle.
	Well, at this minute, my last messages are kind of what Jordan said, was that, as they said in the messages of the ground crew, there are too few of the people waking up on the planet at this time to make any significant difference.
	And what they're telling me at this minute is to get together with other people of like minds to support each other in the days ahead.
	And that's what we're going to have to do.
	Meanwhile, I'm still in contact with the guys that are trying to get World War III started.
	I'm all sitting up in San Francisco with a lot of the geologists that are measuring the San Andreas, as they sow.
	I talked to the head of FEMA down in Phoenix, Arizona, who are preparing for this event.
	They're expecting at least an 18-foot change in the San Andreas, which goes along Sacramento, on down to Palmdale, Lancaster, and through that direction, which will totally interrupt all the water flow and everything else down here.
	With the FEMA head in Phoenix, they said that they're preparing to allow only 100,000 Californians into Arizona because they do not have the ability to take care of it.
	They're getting prepared for that.
	So along with what that's happening, and when they asked me to build an enemy prisoner of war camp, and I have a copy of the contract in downtown Las Vegas, this is to round up the people that are going to be causing the problems.
	So they have some well-plans on how to get rid of people.
	Anybody over age 44 will be eliminated unless you have a talent that they can use.
	Meanwhile, we're talking about off-planet people that are monitoring everything that's going on right now to see how far along they're hoping we're going to turn around and make this thing work.
	I'm kind of like at this part with Jordan and stuff because I'm still talking to him and I'm very concerned about what's going on and how we can have something left for survival at this minute.
	We have 10 million in Los Angeles.
	Can you see a hundred million?
	That's all they're you can't go to the airport.
	How long does it take you to go?
	One accident.
	They've already got this figured out.
	All they can take care of in Arizona would be 100,000 people.
	They can't do that now because there's 3 million people in Phoenix and no water.
	Okay, okay.
	First of all, talking about depopulation, there are right now three Russian submarines on the west coast, three on the east coast, and two in the Gulf.
	These Russian submarines are two football fields in length, five stories tall.
	They're capable to go 80 miles an hour underneath the water.
	Each one of the submarines have 13 to 15 nuclear warheads, and their targets are all the major cities we have in the United States.
	My son is a nuclear physicist who spent three and a half years in the secret cities in Russia.
	He's a senior engineer with Bechtel.
	And he came back this last time, and he said Russia is about 12 years ahead of us on our space program, and they're about 12 years ahead of us on the nuclear program.
	And so what happened, he says, they're going to shut down NASA.
	What did they just do?
	We don't have the ability to go up there anymore.
	Russians send up all the supply ships.
	They're so far ahead of us on their technology.
	So we're looking at a lot of things.
	I'm just telling you what I get for information, and I'm trying to get prepared, and I'm trying to wake up as many people as I can, because there's only going to be, as we're looking at on future projections on what I'm getting both from the extraterrestrials, the goal is we're going to have a lot less people.
	We cannot sustain the population on the planet.
	Okay, so at this point, thank you, George.
	What I want to do is allow for, where we've got people on both sides of the fence, so to speak, or the topic, and some people are on both sides.
	I myself am, I see a positive future for humanity if we want it.
	Okay.
	I'm Camelot.
	So I do understand.
	I believe that people on the, see, I think people who give us intelligence on the ground, like George, are vital, like Stephen Kelly.
	These people have got their fingers on the pulse.
	They are getting the messages that the powers that be want put out there, and they have been in contact with those in power.
	They've been behind closed doors.
	They know what they're saying, and they know what they're working on.
	That doesn't mean they're going to be successful.
	So you get to a certain point.
	And then at that point, consciousness of humanity can step in.
	What David Wilcock is talking about.
	So, what we do have, this is just describing the playing field, okay?
	And every one of you, I imagine, these days are kind of vacillating from one side of that equation to the other.
	But certainly, you know that consciousness is king.
	I think we would almost all of us agree on the panel.
	Consciousness is king.
	All right, when all said and done, humanity in the heart of humanity and the beings that want to see this human experiment succeed are going to want to help us along if we can't help ourselves to some degree.
	But I do want to say, Atlantis fell, okay, and there are plenty of people here, reincarnation, whatever you want to call it, not reincarnation.
	You have memories in your DNA that tell you that they've done it before, they could do it again.
	Okay, so we have been hit and we've been hit hard, and there is a genetic memory, all right?
	So, all we're doing is we're looking for the future, we are creating the future, and it's up to us, I think, in the final analysis.
	But what is us comprised of?
	This is what we have to look at, all right, when all said and done.
	Uh, but let's hear from somebody we haven't heard from.
	Sean, do you want to say something?
	No, anyone else?
	Are you done?
	Are they serving breakfast?
	That's what I want to know.
	Laura, can I travel back in time and get back these two hours?
	Okay, Laura has been waving, and then Richard and then David, and then we will try to close this down because people are getting tired.
	I think I think we're way too attached to the physical form.
	One of my favorite personal quotes is: you always wake up somewhere, no matter what.
	I mean, we are multi-dimensional cosmic beings that are dealing with so many different scenarios that it's not going to be the same for all of us, but it doesn't mean that we're separate, it means we're having different experiences.
	And I've never, no matter what I've gone through, I feel like I've resurrected myself from death more than nine lives of a cat in this lifetime, and went through addiction and all the things that one would think you would never bounce back from.
	And I know we all have those stories, but when push comes to shove, the power of the human spirit is a volcano that's going to blow.
	You can't put a lid on it.
	It is so much stronger than all these other things that are afraid of our consciousness, and that's why they're doing it to us.
	So, when the human race is pushed to the breaking point, there's nothing left but the truth of who we really are.
	And I think that that's our saving grace.
	It doesn't mean we're all going to get there at the same time, but one conscious person can make up for a million who are asleep if you really hold that vibration high.
	Thank you, Bob.
	Good answer, Lord.
	Basically, quickly, I just want to add: new humanity is forming as we speak.
	We are part of it, some of us, and the rest can be where they are.
	They would not shift with us.
	So, this shift was not done in 2012 completely.
	So, we will keep going might be 10, 20 years.
	We are shifting, and new humanity will gradually either stay in this planet or form a new planet as new Earth.
	So, either way, that's the scenario.
	Okay, I'm announcing the Sky Watch is canceled.
	I guess they tried to do the Sky Watch, but there are too many chemtrails.
	That's actually, you know, I wait, no, no, you know, because here we have this dilemma, right?
	Consciousness is king.
	We have this power.
	We can dissipate cloud cover, chemtrails.
	They have nothing to gain over us.
	So, if a group of you want to go out and watch Sky Watch, you're welcome to do so.
	Tommy can explain, Tommy, what building are they at?
	If they're not canceling it, they already cancel.
	It's just covered, so there's nothing.
	Okay, okay, they think it's too covered with chemtrails tonight.
	Okay.
	Well, no, because we had one other person that wanted to speak, and then Richard wanted to say something.
	Okay, Richard, go ahead.
	And we're going to wrap this up.
	Okay.
	And Jordan would like to say something as well.
	Gosh, it's hard to know where to begin because there's so many threads.
	This is like my grandmother's quilt.
	I disagree with Jordan.
	I love Jordan.
	I think of him fondly.
	But I think Jordan is making the mistake that all the futurists used to make back when I was working with people like Ted Gordon in Connecticut to the Institute for the Future and people like G. Harry Stein and a whole bunch of people that were now all gone.
	They're no longer with us.
	But they taught me something very, very important as this field called futurism or futurology was being born in the 60s and 70s.
	And that is the first mistake futures, futuristic projectionists make is the extrapolation, if this goes on.
	And that's what we all do, because we look around and we basically, except for some geniuses who have written seminal works which have become classics because they did not make that mistake, we all think this is going to continue.
	And it rarely ever does.
	History is punctuated by what we can now colloquially call game-changing events.
	And what I see in the work I've been doing, which is a combination of the science and the politics, I see on the horizon some extraordinary game-changing events, which will, again, if the political projections are accurate, will tip the scales in the direction of David more than you.
	Because he is right based on if this goes on, as is George.
	The cool thing is, it's not going to go on.
	And the reason it's not, there's twofold.
	One is people are waking up.
	The fact that you're still here at 11 o'clock and somebody wants breakfast is telling us that things almost done.
	They're changing.
	All right, you haven't walked out.
	You're still here.
	And all you guys over on the internet, hi, wherever you are on the planet.
	The physics is demonstrably changing, and that is waking people up.
	It's allowing consciousness, like light bulbs, to turn on.
	Bing, ping, ping, ping.
	And we see, I mean, I spend a lot of time watching television, watching political television, as Robin can attest, not Fox, because you are seeing what we call leading indicators in the mainstream, having nothing to do with time travel or space or aliens or UFOs, things that people really feel are important, even though they're ultimately not.
	They are fixated upon, and those things are changing.
	I'll give you one example.
	We have gone through, since August of 2011, several manufactured financial crises.
	And the quickest way to terrify people is to make them feel their financial future is up for grabs.
	It's totally uncertain.
	And that the guys who should know what they're doing, i.e.
	the folks in Washington, haven't a clue, which has become demonstrable to an overwhelming majority of polled Americans when all these various agencies do polls.
	Uniformly, people think Washington is clueless.
	Congress has, what, a rating now of 9% or something?
	But, cockroaches are awful.
	But actually, communists and cockroaches are 12%.
	Anyway, the point is, even though these are manufactured crises to spread more fear, loathing, and terror, they're not working.
	How do we know they're not working?
	Well, the financial markets are fine.
	Jobs are picking up.
	People are more optimistic.
	You know, they have that index where they actually poll people to see how they feel.
	And they felt really bad over the last several years, and now that's turning around.
	Richard, it depends what kind of news you listen to.
	A lot of those are lies.
	Hang on.
	No, it doesn't matter.
	Jobs aren't picking up.
	That's an absolute lie.
	That much is wrong.
	Which part is right?
	The unemployment levels have been, they've been lying about that.
	But that's irrelevant.
	It's how people feel.
	My point is, people, no, no.
	Even the thing called a poll is bullshit.
	No, because you live in an era of the internet where there are diverse sections.
	Who do they poll?
	Joe America?
	What?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're not polling us.
	They're not polling the people I talk to.
	I can guarantee you.
	How do you know?
	Because I talk to them.
	My point, if I may finish, my point, is that there are leading indicators that...
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	There are leading indicators that tell me that the population is not buying the fear porn.
	That's my point.
	And the specific numbers are a separate issue.
	The point is that even at the heart of where most people live, which is their financial security, people are not buying the fear porn.
	People are buying.
	They're buying crap, but they're buying.
	You know, home sales are up.
	All kinds of so-called materialistic real-world things.
	May I finish?
	Thank you.
	The point is that if you project from the present to the future and say if this goes on, you will be wrong.
	There are game changers.
	There are physics game changers in our future.
	They're occurring now.
	There are created game changers being planned, and they have possibilities to go either way.
	I see the glass half full.
	Others may see the glass half empty.
	The bottom line is this current situation is not going to continue.
	And the changes, again, are back under our control.
	How we respond, how we feel about it, what our belief is about where we want to go is the determining factor regardless of the controllers who are waging, and I agree with David, a desperate losing game.
	Final point.
	History, because of the physics, which is impelled by the astronomy, not by Crittenden's model, but by the actual procession, the geometric procession of the planet, goes through these nodal points.
	And that's what drives the yuga cycles of changing consciousness, where it rises to a golden age, descends to the Cali Yuga, and rises again.
	That's part of the fabric of this 3D reality.
	We are riding the crest of that wave, moving from the Cali Yuga into higher states of physics and consciousness.
	And that's why these desperate last-minute efforts are being waged, because ultimately they know they will lose.
	We only have to hang on.
	Okay, now, thank you.
	Thank you, Richard.
	I appreciate that.
	Jordan is going to be the last one here, I believe, to speak, and then we're going to wrap this up.
	Okay, go right ahead, Jordan.
	And Tommy will be after, Jordan.
	Yes, we are seeing people all waking up every day, but that happens every day in a prison in San Quentin.
	Everyone wakes up in the morning and they're waking up but they're still in prison.
	And I'm thinking that too many people in our country today are like last year's Christmas lights.
	Half of them don't work and the other half aren't that bright.
	And so I just didn't start it.
	And so I'm seeing our fellow Americans flying the planes with the chemtrails.
	Our fellow Americans are beating up on us in the streets.
	I see our fellow Americans, our people who are from our country and our people are wearing uniforms to beat us up and to make sure we're in compliance.
	I see a dark world coming.
	I see a totalitarian fascist dictatorship coming and there's nothing anyone's going to do about it because the people love it.
	The people have always, just as it has been said by the European historian, that the people have always, in every country and every age, have always supported a dictator.
	They will always support a dictator until the support of that dictator becomes more burdensome than his overthrow.
	So I'm saying I'm seeing, from my personal viewpoint, I'm seeing we are as a human civilization going into a very dark period and we may come out of it a thousand years from today, but I'm telling you, for the foreseeable future, we are in prison.
	We are in a fascist dictatorship that is destroying the human family.
	And there's nothing we're going to do about it.
	Nothing's going to help it.
	There's no doubt in my mind about that.
	Okay, thank you, Jordan.
	Let me add one more point.
	I am totally sure, too, that the age of Aquarius is not on us.
	I believe that the age of Pisces started about 325 AD.
	That would put the Age of Aquarius about 400 years yet in our future.
	So as far as I'm concerned, I think we here are going to experience a very dark world coming.
	And I don't see, I don't see the human race rising above.
	The Romans didn't rise above to save their empire.
	The Greeks did not rise above to save the Grecian Empire.
	The Egyptians didn't rise.
	No country in the world has ever rose up to save civilization.
	Nobody.
	And so why should we think we're going to rise up and do anything?
	Because most people couldn't care less.
	I appreciate that.
	But I think there have been changes in consciousness that are unlike any other time.
	I hope so.
	And I believe the fact that we're having this discussion here is evidence of that.
	And the fact that we have this time travel conference this weekend is evidence that there is a change afoot.
	Okay?
	And that we can sit up here and have these disagreements and still love each other as we do and dearly love each other.
	I'm not just, this is not just lip service, okay?
	We love each other.
	I just want to make note.
	I just want to make note that Jordan will be appearing next week at the Onion to give his entire routine.
	For all those who really want a downer, I would recommend you show up.
	Okay, that's not fair.
	Jordan, look, Jordan is one of those people who is warning you, using prophecy as a warning to turn you around.
	Okay?
	It's to make you angry.
	It's to motivate you.
	So this man actually believes in humanity deep down.
	I've interviewed him, and if you question that, you must watch the Camelot interview of Jordan Maxwell.
	All right?
	Jordan, one thing.
	Christians burned Rome.
	David.
	David.
	So it's my turn, David.
	I'm sorry.
	Jordan.
	God loves you.
	We all love you.
	I've heard this message a lot, Jordan, and we hear about fear, Port.
	You have a lot of fear.
	And we talk about empowering people.
	We want to go forward.
	You would live in fear.
	You have no power.
	You have anger.
	You have no power.
	You have fear.
	You have anger.
	Your qi does not move.
	You have zero power.
	The more anger you have, the less power you have.
	And the less power you have to make these changes.
	So you want to listen to that or do you want to empower yourself?
	Don't have fear.
	Don't worry about what's coming tomorrow.
	We have the power to change tomorrow.
	We've heard that over and over.
	I've been looking at this world for over 53 years.
	Well, most people have not studied my subject for 53 minutes.
	And I'm telling you, I have sat with presidential advisors.
	I've sat with scientists, physicists, I've sat with government agents, CIA people.
	I've, for many, many years have sat and talked with very important and powerful people in my life.
	And I am totally convinced that I'm right.
	That unless the human race rises up and does something for itself, there is no hope for the human race.
	We have a cosmic problem.
	We have a cosmic.
	It's not political.
	I think the whole world of mankind is in trouble.
	And I would add to that that if, and the only thing I see is maybe a light at the true light at the end of the tunnel, is if we have some sort of an intervention in mankind's affairs from on high.
	All right, but I thank you, Jordan.
	I want to say, Jordan, you're the first one who knows that we've already had intervention.
	You yourself have had E.T. conversations with beings from off-planet, visitors, various interesting beings.
	And there is no one like Jordan to tell stories in that regard, believe me.
	So he knows whereof he's spent.
	Why I make the comment.
	The comment.
	Having known Jordan all this time, you people have no idea the amount of shit that Jordan and I have had to go through in dealing with the government.
	You have no idea.
	The courts are broken.
	The judges are demons.
	The lawyers are satanic.
	They ignore the law.
	They ignore the Constitution.
	They are putting a system together that is literally George Orwell's dream of a boot stamping on a human face for a thousand years.
	And I understand from a political, social, both being scholars, of understanding how societies and civilizations rise and fall, exactly what he is talking about.
	And to address what Richard was saying, Richard was saying as well, yes, the problems that we have right now are insurmountable with the current technology.
	But things change.
	You can't go to the moon in a boat.
	You have different technology that does this.
	They were saying 30 years ago, when the population hit 5 billion people, we would all die.
	And then 6 billion all die.
	7 billion all die.
	And as long as production keeps up with population, everything's going to be okay.
	But that means that we have to depoliticize technology and have technology advance under scientific means rather than being stomped by a boot of economics and etc.
	etc.
	And I just want to tell one last time travel because on the one hand, I completely agree with Jordan because Jordan and I share a bond.
	I deal with people in prison all the time.
	We write bonds and things to try to help people get people out of prison.
	And nobody can tell you how busted this system is than somebody that has to deal with these scumbags every day.
	By the way, the Hebrew word for lawyer is Satan, just so you know.
	And 10,000 attorneys at the bottom of the ocean is a good start as far as I'm concerned.
	And poly means many, and a tick is a parasite.
	Therefore, politics, well, I'll leave it to you.
	So, and let me tell one last time travel story.
	This is a legitimate time travel story that may give you a little bit of hope.
	Back in the early 1980s, I was studying with and was very good friends with a man named Hal Wilcox.
	And Hal Wilcox was one of the old-time UFO contactees with Georgia Damsky and Gabriel Green, and he appeared on the Jack Parr show.
	And he was a professor, a music professor at USC.
	And we used to do, every Monday, we used to get together at Hal's house, and everybody would do a meditation.
	And Hal would actually channel a commander named Faj, as it was called.
	And different people would pop and actually channel this commander.
	Very short story.
	We got a message through this group.
	This is the early 1980s when I was just out of college, just out of USC.
	In the early 1980s, they said, we want you to go look for a book.
	And we want you to look for books by a man named Rajneesh Gurdjieff.
	We had no idea who this guy was.
	None.
	But for the next month, we went to Hollywood Books.
	We went to the Bodhi tree when it was there.
	We went to all these places.
	Week after week, we would come back.
	Nobody could find the book.
	Nobody knew what anybody was talking about.
	Nobody had ever heard of this guy.
	I walk into the Bodhi tree.
	This is about six weeks later.
	I'd walk into the Bodhi tree.
	I talked to a girl named Julie there.
	I said, hey, did you ever get any books by that Gurdjieff guy?
	And she goes, yeah, they're right there.
	And there's a whole big cabinet of these books by Gurdjieff.
	And I'm going, oh, you got them in.
	And she goes, those have been here for 14 years since this store opened.
	And I said, well, you know, I filled out a card that said I was looking for books by this guy.
	And she looks through the thing and goes, no, you didn't.
	And I said, you remember me, right?
	I'm here in India like every week.
	She goes, I've never seen you before, ever, in my life.
	And I got these books by Gurdjieff.
	Now, we all came to the class with people, their eyes were like this because everybody had the same story.
	Wear all these books by Gurdjieff.
	And we're like, who is this guy and why is this important?
	We then did another channeling session where this entity came in and said, because you focused and dedicated yourself, because you did what we asked you to do, we were allowed to change a moment in time where a journalist took an extra step and instead of missing a train, he caught a train.
	And this American journalist was then able to see a lecture by Gurdjieff and it was this person that brought Gurdjieff to the United States.
	And Gurdjieff then, once again, never read a Gurdjieff book ever in my life up to that point, never heard of him, but it allowed Gurdjieff to then change and become part of the, I guess you'd call metaphysical revolution of the 20th century.
	And the last story they told us, which was kind of interesting, to conclude on a true time travel story.
	These entities said at one point Earth was utterly hopeless, that totalitarian regimes had taken over the entire planet, that the Spanish had colonized North America, you had the Russians, the Spanish, the Chinese, that literally there was no hope for Earth whatsoever.
	And that because of this, that Earth had to evolve with a group of other worlds, that there were 48 evolving worlds, that we were the slow kid on the planet, and that they had to evolve.
	And they were allowed at that point in time to shift.
	And they went, and this is what they claim.
	They claim they went back in time and that a saucer simply altered the wind behind a British frigate that allowed it to T-bar on a Spanish man of war during the battle between the British and the battle of the Spanish Armada, which allowed a miracle to occur where England defeated Spain and allowed the British with their ideas of freedom and freedom of religion and freedom of thought to colonize America,
	to colonize Canada, to colonize Australia, and brought a new light and new hope to the world.
	And they told us, if you focus, if you keep that focus, if you do what it is we ask you to do and keep that faith, anything is possible.
	And someday, you may just walk out of this room and the whole world will be at peace.
	And there will be trade with other planets and travel to other galaxies.
	And it will have always been that way.
	And you would be the only ones to know any different.
	So there's my time travel.
	Thank you.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Tommy Hansen, and thank you, everyone, for your patience with our discussion here.
	And I hope you enjoyed it.
	We'll be back tomorrow with a more jam-packed than it was even today.
	It's continuing.
	So thank you so much, everyone.
	Tommy, did you have an announcement, or have you disappeared completely?
	I'm just sitting right beside you as usual, right?
	Yeah, Carrie, first of all, like, who else can assemble a panel like Kerry, really?
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	I give it up for everyone here one more time.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so the volunteers, completely without my knowledge, by the way, have uttered a token of appreciation and a symbolic gesture to show their appreciation of all your work for now almost seven years.
	Seven years of Camelot.
	So, Madison.
	I just want to, I know everyone's tired.
	I just want to say that these people risk their lives every day to give us information and to change our lives.
	And Carrie has been an inspiration to me, and I'm sure a lot of you.
	And I just wanted to present her with flowers to say thank you.
	have a good night.
	Thank you so much.
	I want to thank all the volunteers on behalf of all the speakers for your hard work and making this a reality.
	I couldn't have done it without you, without also the tech team, the people that I'm paying, and the people I'm not paying, because I don't have enough money.
	And thank you all for buying tickets to make it possible for me to actually pay off my credit card.
	Thank you very much for coming.

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