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June 16, 2025 - Project Camelot
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CATHI MORGAN AA17
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and she has really been tracing the workings of the Illuminati, a mind control program that involves things like the Tavistock Institute.
Rand Institute in California and other think tanks as well as MKUltra, etc.
So we're talking about mind control.
We're talking about probably genetic engineering of bloodlines, etc.
And she traces all of this in really meticulous research.
So I want you to welcome Cathy Morgan.
Thank you.
Thank you, Kerry.
Okay, so that was a great introduction.
It saves me some work there.
Okay, so I've been looking into my own circumstances because with the advent of the internet and our access to information, I noticed quite a lot of red flags about my own upbringing and I set to and made it my sort of life's work to find out what really went on, which is quite difficult, but everything I found supported my initial theory.
Now I'm going to actually start by discussing a documented survey that took place.
It was run from initially 1923 to 1926 and then 1929 to 1935.
And I was quite shocked to see how they have published such depth of detail about it.
Now, the chap who was running the experiment on the ground, the doctor Innes Pierce, has written a paper in which he identifies that eugenicists up to that point had only been looking at genetic background, but not the environment.
When they inaugurated the Peckham experiment, they determined to explore the environmental factors of inheritance.
So they opened a centre, it was like a leisure centre, and he, the doctor himself, in his own words, said the experiment was for research into the biology of sex, in its subtler manifestations, and into the sociobiology of the family group and its environmental associations.
So basically, they were observing courtship in the centre and he alludes to having that they had already studied the entire environment of the embryo.
And that for this purpose, for the purpose of the Peckham experiment, they're going to look into the love and courtship, which then set the stage for the new individuals.
So they weren't just going to look at the infants, they were actually looking at the whole courtship process.
Now, I'm certain that the people who are being scrutinised in this way did not know that this was occurring.
They just thought it was a leisure facility run by the council, you know, great prices, etc.
So there was a medical aspect to this where people were given an overhaul, a medical overhaul, which of course they knew about, and lots of activities, and he concludes that it opens up, quote, "possibilities for research into psychology proper,"that is to say, "of the healthy or so-called normal." And for a scientific approach to the education of the child from a biological standpoint.
So this feeds into the development of our educational curriculum and now the national curriculum.
So these studies inform policy.
So the Peckham experiment, who was behind inaugurating it?
On the left there we have the doctors and on the right some better known figures.
Here we have J. Arthur Rank, Julian Huxley and Lord Hoarder.
So that's who I'm just going to have a look at.
Lord Hoarder, very high level individual here.
He was the physician to four monarchs, Edward VII, King George V, King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II.
And he was also the president of the British Eugenics Society.
Julian Huxley was on the advisory board of course of the Darwin Huxley and Galton Wedgwood families who intermarried.
Brother of Aldous Huxley who of course wrote Brave New World which has become an incredible metaphor for our society today and who of course This is back in the 30s.
So he was the founder of UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, by which cultural changes were spread throughout the population, basically, and internationally.
Things developed in the UK are...
This type of research would then be applied and populations would be compared in other countries.
He was a zoologist and he was also the person who first coined the term transhumanism.
And he was a prolific author on zoology, science fiction and eugenics.
And I'd just like to add that his brother, Aldous Huxley, is intimately linked with the design of MKUltra in the United States.
J. Arthur Rank is the third chap.
He looks like a used car salesman, I think, there.
It's something a little bit dodgy there.
very interesting he made several hundred films throughout the life of oh yes I must just say that as well as being chairman of the Peckham experiment he also made children's films for the Children's Film Foundation of which he made several hundred which So it eventually became the Children's Film Foundation.
Although he did make many films.
He was right in there at the start when the British film industry was starting out.
And in fact he'd actually made his money.
His family were mill owners running flour mills.
So he had an enormous wealth.
The first specialized firms...
Now, this really is...
You might remember, if you're from the UK, from Britain, as a child going to the Saturday morning cinema clubs.
You do.
And how does it feel to know that there were figures in the audience watching every reaction and tying it to the precise moments in the movie?
To better gauge the effect of television and movies on the children.
So he realised he had access to 400,000 children.
In May 1944, he formed the Gaumont British Company, a special department of children's entertainment films under Miss Mary Field.
It worked with a team of ten directed by Mary Field and with two permanent scriptwriters and a production manager.
So observation was carried out in the cinemas and her method consists of photographing the children exactly at the moment when the chosen tests are flashed on the screen.
In order to avoid disturbing them, infrared was used.
So this is literally from the instructions from a UNESCO document to the observers.
and they're told it's fairly easy to accustom yourself to writing in semi-darkness.
You can use a pocket torch and So it was that precise.
And there's a sort of image of that period, really.
The cinemas were huge in those days, although they were looking quite solemn, so I don't think they're watching a film ever.
And he also worked on a film regarding nurseries.
Now nurseries and nursery nurse training has been linked to the Tavistock Institute.
So she says the important thing is to photograph them at the exact moment because other parts of the document have code for...
and Lady Allen of Hertwood was elected as chair for an independent advisory body which reviewed each of the films.
Now Lady Allen of Hertwood And there we see, of course, Julian Huxley popping up again.
So, I'd just like to say that Yeah, Lady Alan Hurtwood was associated with the QCAMPS, which was set up by the Institute for the Study of Delinquency and the Scientific Treatment of Delinquency.
So here we have the start of the Tavistock Institute.
We had the Psychopathic Clinic, which changed its name to the Institute for the Scientific Treatment of Delinquency, which was set up by the Portman Clinic, which is also known as the Tavistock Clinic.
And these camps and observations were in their right at the beginning.
The people associated with the Portland Clinic were, many, many of them were the same as the ones...
So we have H.G. Wells there, and have Locke Ellis, Ernest Jones, Eric Twittrist, Carl Young, and some more here.
Again, Menzies Lies, Tavistock Freud, his statues outside the Tavistock.
So here, we're actually talking about the birth of psychology.
We're talking mainstream medicine here, really.
We're talking the establishment.
And I've really come to feel that eugenics was the establishment.
It went underground and still remains.
Our establishment still has eugenic view of the masses and their right to make decisions on our behalf that we're not told about.
In setting up these clinics, we also had the Child Guidance Clinic set up by the same group of people, and two of the main movers setting up the Child Guidance Clinic was a surrealist called Grace Palethop, and she was also a doctor, and she set up the Institute for Delinquency, and Cyril Burt was the other prime person.
So eugenicists, again, Sir Albert was a eugenicist, and as I say, it was the establishment.
So where did they go?
Well, they went underground.
So in 1968 Sir Alan S. Parks noted that in 1960 a proposal was accepted for the So from the 1960s, they were still operating covertly.
And of course, eugenics, because of its Nazi associations, that was another reason that they didn't want to be out there in the limelight anymore.
Now, I haven't actually included it in this talk, but there's a link between Gregory Bateson, who was in MKUltra, whose father was a eugenicist.
He was called William Bateson, and he described the poor as vermin and suggested they ought to be exterminated.
I have a quote from him, I haven't included it here, but I'm just saying that William Bateson actually became very good friends with a chap called Erwin Bauer, who wrote the go-to text that the Nazis used in the concentration camp.
Now, he used to write to Bauer, they used to correspond, and they initially made their first contact over discussing scopolamine, which...
And it is still in use today and it also was used during childbirth at one time.
So, of course, it's this attitude of the elite.
Giving the impression that the masses are poor and unfit and so on.
So by 1969, measures were made to cover a eugenics society.
So the name Eugents was gone.
Now as I was talking to someone earlier today, it was just five years later that the...
The propaganda said that the slums were filthy and overcrowded and filled with rats.
I do believe most of that was propaganda.
And I also noticed It struck me greatly and I was absolutely furious when they reported that because 42 bodies had been found in one room, it might have been Muslims opening their fast, which is absolutely ridiculous.
There's no way that 42 people But the person who's made that statement has no empathy.
Because if you put yourself in that tablet, what would you do?
You'd be saying to your neighbors, come in here.
Oh, you've run down from the floors below and you can't get any further?
This is what communities do.
It's a very vibrant community around Notting Hill.
Musicians, artists, and people who have chosen not to make acquisition of possessions and money their main goal.
I just wanted to add that little bit there, that tragedy took place so recently.
Now, Lord Horda himself and Julian Huxley were members of a population investigation committee, which interestingly was funded by Unilever, who I've noticed that they fund the study I was part of.
So I was part of the National Child Development Survey.
I was born in 1958, so everyone born in a certain week of that year was signed up to this survey.
It was just supposed to be questions as you go through your life.
It's a longitudinal study.
And a red flag, an alarm bell for myself was when I noticed in the documentation for this survey, it said children would only be contacted for the first time at the age of six, whereas my parents said that This is how I came to look at this population investigation committee.
And also, I'm interested to see that Unilever funded it, who'd also funded the Tavistock Institute.
They funded the gifted children part of the study.
Because in tracing my father's bloodline, I've come across a Lever Tillotson bloodline.
My dad's called Tillotson.
So I believe that he was descended as sort of branch off that, the Lever bloodline.
I had no idea just since we got the internet, basically, any of that.
So there's the prominent members.
And James W.B. Douglas was the person who implemented the three studies, the National Child Development Studies.
They were 12 years apart.
They studied three generations, and one was in 1946, one was in 1958, and the other one was in 1970.
I think it was 12 years later.
Yeah, 1970.
So James Douglas had worked with Julian Huxley and a chap called Sully Zuckerman on primate studies funded by the Eugenics Society.
And the zoologists, all the zoological research was to be applied to humans.
That's why they did it.
Ornithology, zoology.
It wasn't to know what the mating habits were.
Well, it was to know what the habits were, but it was to be applied to better understand the human behaviour, which they make quite clear.
Now, Zuckerman was a high-level scientific advisor on operations research during the war.
And he is linked alongside Henry Tisard to brain-watching discussions with the CIA.
And he was also a self-styled population expert for which he had to consult Julian Huxley for help initially, because they had him in there.
Now, these are the three that met under the auspices of the Ministry of Defence, the Defence Research Policy Committee.
There's lots of changes of names of these things along the lines.
They keep constantly changing the names.
It's difficult to track.
And Tizard was in Montreal having talks with the CIA in 1953 to which what came out of it was Ewan Cameron's work in Canada because the talks were between America, England and Canada.
This is in 1953.
But interestingly, in 1947, just six years earlier, they were looking at how to spread the British Empire throughout the world, and they bizarrely came up with a plan where they would export 15 million, between three and 50 million Brits would be exported out to Africa to try and export British culture.
Now, that plan was shelved, but the actual...
He was the head of the SIS when it became MI6, so British Intelligence.
This is work from a blog called MikeMcClary.wordpress.com who's done some excellent work linking Tizard with William Sargent's work and Ewan McCamron, William Sargent being a chap.
Who carried out exactly similar work to Ewan Cameron.
And for those that don't know, Ewan Cameron was busted when mental patients were able to identify that they had been experimented on and it had been secretly funded by the CIA, but they got found out and William Sargent was his counterpart in the UK.
So this has now been evidence which is quite exciting because doing this kind of research is so much we can speculate, but to get the hard evidence is where the work has to be done.
So...
Ciazade, yeah, so that's the WordPress blog there if you wanted to look deeper into this sort of military...
Interestingly, Henry Tizard was the first person to insist that UFO sighting should not be dismissed and a department should be set up and it was named the Flying Source Working Party in 1950.
That's quite appropriate.
Yeah.
Now, interestingly, his son, Peter Tizard, actually, he was a neonatologist who administered care to preterm babies, and he was a friend of my consultant when I went to Hammersmith Hospital to have my first baby.
So it's kind of strange that I went into this hospital that was associated with these people.
And strangely enough, I was in there for 10 days and I had a strange sensation of being studied, whereas I never had any clue or information that we were part of anything at all, until now, in my 50s.
But I did have a very strong feeling that I was being studied by...
I just had an image of a doctor standing around, a group of doctors with clipboards, which I hadn't seen, but it was...
So I think something went on there.
And, of course, Tizad's colleague, Sally Zuckman, had a major influence on the study I was part of.
So my consultant, Hugh Jolly, was a friend of Peter Tissard.
Yeah, and this advisory council on scientific policy is an opportunity to introduce Lord Herbert Morrison, because as you see, Zuckerman is on there, and Henry Tissard.
And Lord Herbert Morrison was...
He married in 19...
I think it was 1950, and the woman he married was a family friend of my grandmother.
Oh, how would you like to bring them into something, you know.
I don't know.
I'm still trying to trace the exact thing that happened and how we got them, but he does keep popping up.
And there's Erasmus Darwin Barlow there.
Now he's also popped up because...
Oh yeah, so there we just have another incidence of...
So this is just reiterating what I said about Sully Zuckerman.
However, before they did the 1958 surveys, as I have mentioned before, Zuckerman was involved in a study of children in Hull and Sheffield and Birmingham.
Where they interviewed children who'd been involved in the Blitz and been bombed and they took that information to inform Lord Lindemann as to how to get the most effect out of the bombing campaign in Germany and Dresden in particular.
The reason they bombed housing, working-class housing, was because of the study done in Hull.
More blood per bomb is the exact phrase that they used.
You can't put anything past them when they're willing to look at people and human beings in such a cold, psychopathic way.
Okay, so my family, when I was aged four, we moved down to Bath in Somerset.
I was born near Manchester in Rochdale.
And we were moved down to Bath.
And strangely, we were just 10 miles away then from the team who were running the NCDS surveys.
And Sir Edward Darwin Barlow, who was on that committee, he was on another committee that was meeting within about four miles from my house, which had top eugenicists on it.
Barlow and Suckerman actually became a president of that organization later on.
And there's another Huxley sibling was involved with that organisation.
And we were also within four miles of the secret deep underground base at Corisham.
And at that time it was very secret.
There was a register and only 500 people knew about it.
It was like 1963 when we moved down there.
No, 1962.
So all these sort of links were alarming me and I did feel that there was some element of monarch programming coming in my particular life.
And so in order to actually stand up and say, "I think I've been subjected to some sort of monarch programming," I have to do all this research so that I can back up what I'm saying so that you can see that there's...
So a big red flag was that my first partner whose baby I went into that hospital for in Hammersmith.
I also got MKUltra links in his background.
So I went in to have my first baby and his father.
And Jim McGuinness was friends with a chap called Brian Inglis, who was the godfather of my partner's brother.
And Brian Inglis was linked with Arthur Kessler, who attended the MKUltra Macy conferences.
He was so close to him that he actually started a foundation with him called Kessler, Inglis and Bloomfield.
Bloomfield himself was a very interesting character, a member of a secret organisation called the 1001 Club, and he actually owned a hotel in the centre of London where Alastair Crowley actually lived at one time and corresponded with him.
Inglis had lunch with Stephen Ward a few days before he died, another name from the Profumo affair that's been linked with MK Ultra and Monarch.
Girls in the UK.
When I ran away from home at the age of 15 and ran away to London, I got a living job in the Athenaean club in Palmar, which I have found many of these names of people, especially the Huxleys and the Darwins.
And so on were members historically of this club.
These eugenics were linked to this club.
So I suspect manipulation.
Now, basically, that's it in a nutshell.
So I hope you found that interesting.
This is pretty much an hour of my research that I've put together.
There's a lot more.
It can't be squeezed into an hour, so hopefully I've given you a good overview there, and you find that very interesting.
If you have any questions, I'm very happy to answer them now.
Thank you.
Have any of the children you've heard of that have been part of any experiments, have they had any support afterwards?
Has anyone managed to find them, help them, anything?
Anything along those lines?
The documented experiments that seem to be closely related to MKUltra are mainly in children's homes.
children's homes, people that have been brought in because they were having trouble at home and put into a system, the care system.
Now, there was a place, there was a chap called Kenneth Milner who was actually doing...
strange experiments with girls who hadn't really done anything wrong.
They were just going a bit off the rails and they were being given drugs, truth serum, and they were being It's just come out quite recently.
They've been groomed to be picked up as adults to be used later on?
They've somehow been picked up and then sent to this particular home, Ashworth Hall, I think it was called, and Dr Kenneth Milner has been absolutely documented to have given truth serum to these girls when they were brought in at the age of around 13. I know someone personally that was there, that was involved there.
She's just brought a book out about that.
Can I ask one last thing?
Yes, sure.
Can you spot people that have been through the Monarch system?
Is there any way a telltale sign?
Well, I would say nowadays that the Monarch programming has actually just been spread out now through the media and that is how girls are.
That's our culture.
So broadcast media has infected, polluted?
Absolutely.
It's been spread through movies, through the media.
It's known that the CIA set up the Congress for Cultural Freedom, which had links with Britain and the UK, and they would okay authors that were willing to put certain things in books, certain things in books.
And I think they've certainly taken the research that was done on a fine scale initially, and it's being spread out now.
So girls are being sexualised at a young age, weapons of mass distraction, and so on.
I think all of this has come directly from MKLTRA research all those years ago.
Anybody else?
Sorry, I don't really know what modern programming is.
Okay, yes, I did mean to explain it.
Now, it's just a term that has become a sort of generic term that denotes someone who has had their interference and their mind has been compartmentalised deliberately to become a carrier of a kind of mancunic nature.
And this is at the very highest level.
Cathy O 'Brien is a person who's explained that it happened to her, and she was a so-called presidential model.
However, other monarch people are sexualized from a very young age, and then they can be used.
to black male politicians and influential figures.
So Monarch is just, One of them could be a courier of espionage secrets.
So when it's brought out more in the public, like you say, let's just come.
Are you saying now that all girls are kind of programmed that way?
Yes, I'm basically saying that through a more diffuse and more milder level of trauma, through our media being the traumatic films, itchy and scratchy if you like, you know, slightly traumatised and girls slightly split, slightly dissociated, sexualised and I think it really relates to
Okay.
You may have just touched on it, but I just had this question.
Sorry to be a little bit dark, but were the young children filtered into the paedophile rings?
undoubtedly this all links in with paedophile rings for all sorts of purposes of really absolute control and manipulation.
Interestingly the Nuffield Foundation is responsible for funding a lot of these surveys and studies and Lord Nuffield himself another person who was an industrial He was hugely wealthy.
And it's been pointed that a lady's come forward and said that he sexually abused her in hospital as a kind of Jimmy Savile, prior to Jimmy Savile type scenario.
so he would have been then manipulated I would say and encouraged to be a paedophile and I feel that my father was actually in One was sexually abused as me, one wasn't.
And then he was hub-nubbing, I don't know who, with the MP that lived at the bottom of the road, Sir Edward Brown.
He was on that panel with the Darwins and the eugenicists.
So it's very dodgy.
And my brother-in-law went to work under the Official Secrets Act and MI6 said to him, we know all about Bath.
We know about your wife's family.
So I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
And then all of a sudden he had his fingers cut off at work and we were off with no really believable explanation why we suddenly left in the middle of term time to be sent back up to Rochdale.
But interestingly, James Douglas was doing surveys that exactly covered those circumstances where there was a disruption in people's education and he was studying that.
So I'm really trying to Do you think there's any connection with cross-feeding the Super Warrior programs and other programs like that?
What you've talked about is what's visible in that sense.
Yeah, that's right.
So there must be a whole bunch of it that's not visible at all.
Absolutely.
For instance, I work in journalism.
and I know a number of newsrooms where breakfast news is being done and so on and so forth where there's a bunch of American journalists and it turns out that three out of five of them have CIA parents.
So I'm noticing lots of people in newsrooms that are actually, you know, and I'm just wondering whether what you're talking about is just like the tip of the iceberg in all levels of society that if that program has been going on 60 years, 70 years or something?
What are there elements that we need to look for to spot this?
Absolutely.
It's the tip of the iceberg and under that you have your super soldier programmes, of course.
It's so hard to find evidence and declassified documentation to go into that.
It's a life study, really.
I know news people that have actually really run up against problems with their colleagues.
And they're saying to me, these guys are all CIA, and they've got CIA parents, so they're just thinking, why are they acting like this as true journalists?
Why are they cutting certain stories?
This is on an individual level.
Well, Niall's dad, as I said, he was head of RTE News, the first head of RTE News in Ireland, and he'd been in San Francisco prior to that in the early 60s.
Then we have in Stone Bloomfield, Brian Inglis was an associate of Andrej Djeepojaric because he worked on the Uri Gela case.
Andrej Djeepojaric described in Stone Bloomfield as his close friend.
We know Dr. Poharic was working on But, of course, Mr. McGuinness was a journalist of high standing there.
Because we know grooming of adults isn't as easy as is shown with the remote viewers.
Military people who, after doing X amount of meditation so they can do the remote viewing, suddenly have a completely different attitude about life, whereas if you're coming in early, you can trim and prune all that off.
Yeah, I'm sure they've got the control very, very precise.
We're talking about the top minds here being ushered in to militarise this research.
Very interesting.
But not just the military, but, you know, just all walks of life where there is, you know, power.
Yeah, because, of course, we see that in the Laurel Canyon situation, the music industry, the chap that traced that the CIA was involved with parents of all the musicians, or most of them, many of them.
So, again, yeah.
I mean, and administering of drugs within the regular education system.
I know of a number of cases.
Where a student doesn't fit the paradigm.
He is a dreamer and looks out the window all the time.
And suddenly it's being prescribed.
It happened to my nephew.
And my brother thought, well, he's walking around monged out.
I'm going to try this drug myself.
And my brother couldn't even work when he took this drug.
So how is my nephew supposed to go to school and learn something when he's been drugged like that?
And I just wonder, you know, this all seems related here.
Yes, I would say.
And definitions of mental conditions, I think, go hand in glove with that.
Very, very interesting.
Every kind of human condition has got a tab on it now.
Yeah, and do you know when they made the first diagnostic manual, it was the same year they pretty much documented that the CIA was working on telepathy, and telepathy went in as one of the symptoms of a mental illness.
Would you say that things like, it seems to be every time you get things like ADHD and stuff like that, and now it seems to be all the kids are both so short.
Do you think that may be a part of mind control?
What did you say that all the kids have got now?
Social anxiety.
Oh, right, it's like what they call it.
Well, yeah.
My partner's daughter's got a friend of the girls'girl.
She's got three relatives.
And it's like, a daughter come home and goes, "I want to find this.
What?" And then it becomes a norm.
It's a norm normalisation.
Oh my God.
ADHD to me was just a bad parenting-skilled excuse, you know what I mean?
Like, paying attention to your kids, more like that.
Absolutely, yeah.
You know, that's how it felt to me.
Yeah.
And then every 10 years, it seems to me, or every 10 years, something comes around where the kids are suffering from something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to look at the TV, like Miley Cyrus and stuff like that, yeah?
And you know, facing, you know, saying bisexual, why are you bisexual?
Have you experienced sex?
No, do you know you're bisexual then?
Yes, sexual.
Absolutely, that agenda is sex.
Every 10, every so many years, or something happens.
Segmenting the youth.
I mean, a friend of mine's young son, the twins, single mother.
The little girl is talkative, been talkative since two, a little boy, very quiet.
Oh, he's autistic.
He's not autistic at all.
They are trendy.
They're just labels, and they do change, as you say, and the same with adults.
First of all, the diagnosis for choice was schizophrenia, now it's bipolar.
When the label comes to symptoms, So what we see, any symptoms of trauma, and trauma is everywhere now for the children, and then they can just point to these symptoms if they want to diagnose X number with a mental illness.
It's not easy.
It's not a mental illness.
Trauma is a mental injury.
And we see education run as a numbers game.
It's not an achievement game, it's how many exam results, da da da, all numbers.
It's not to do with individuals anymore.
Even still teaching at school now, it's empty really.
There's no substance to it.
Kids are more now driven about money, possessions, being popular.
Do you know what I mean?
It's just as a TV, it's doing it and that.
Yeah, our communities are being fragmented.
We're being divided and conquered at every turn.
And I just thank goodness I've got my children brought up and out of the way because to do it in this day and age, you know, I just take my hat off you dear.
It must be dreadful.
How do you think we can, you know, start penetrating these systems and trying to kind of counter it a bit?
I mean, it's all stacked up against you, isn't it, now?
It's the norm.
And if you do something that is...
You can be prosecuted in their eyes.
It's terrifying.
It's like Nazi Germany, really.
And I think what we're doing here, getting together, talking, speaking about these things, organizing people on a local level is the way and trying not to interact so much with sort of the matrix as it were, you know, trying to...
Sorry, because this is what comes to mind.
I think we're being suffocated.
We're not being allowed to create a lifeboat of, let's say, upholding an ideal where these kids, let's say, young people can go to.
And I think whilst we're struggling to uphold some kind of value ourselves on principle, they're feeling like everyone's let them down.
They don't know how to formulate their own identity because there's no help in the support structure there.
I think to answer what you were saying just now, I think we need to have these mobile lifeboats, type of supporting IPOs.
Change education system, I mean, may teaching a heavily rewarded job and a really difficult job to get.
I'm more concerned about what's happening to children when they're on their own and there's no one there for them.
Like you're saying, it started off specific and then it's become broad.
It's like a blanket over it.
Which I sort of see as the Tavistock agenda, but it's intertwined with the establishment at every level, universities, science.
Once the Macy conferences brought everyone together and there were related conferences by the World Health Organization, with some signs of It's almost like parents are now no longer feeling empowered with their own children and they're giving up that power to the state.
I mean, that is pure, obviously.
That's what they want.
And as you said, the television is the biggie, of course.
You know, I don't even watch it anymore.
But how do you integrate your children in a community when all the friends are watching TV?
It's so difficult.
Exactly, yes.
What mind wrapping thing did you use?
It's great.
It's free as well.
It's called The Brain, T-H-E-B-R-A-I-N-E.com, and it's free software, and you get to make it as big as you like, and you can publish it.
There's very few limits on the free softwares, and it's great for mapping out once you start doing research.
You've got it at your fingertips, and you can put files in.
I know, I know.
That would be me as well.
It's the equivalent of the arch conspiracy theorist with all the things pinned to the wall.
Well, it's great to have this kind of discussion.
It's just unfortunate that it's such a long day and it's been so hot.
And yes, I have another question then.
Thanks.
Thanks very much, Cathy.
Great work, by the way.
Thank you.
What we all ask, you know, with every sort of lecture that we attend is what can we do?
And I never...
I've never heard anybody talk about the ALFM, and I've had in my experience just Now they're worldwide and you actually can have an effect on the outcome of legislations and so forth.
So I would encourage everybody to look online, find your print petitions, make your own petitions if you feel that they, you know, are important.
And that's my message.
Very good.
Yeah, absolutely.
Great.
Because I feel like the internet, we've got a window of opportunity here.
It's obviously been put in there to control and monitor us, but it's also opened up this communication and, as you say, the petitions are really excellent and they are having an effect.
Just one last thing I'd like to say.
I was here a few years ago.
At a conference, an earlier conference, and I met somebody who had seen orbs in their room and had written to Tony Blair, etc., etc., and had had some difficulties with the government.
now her daughter who's a single parent left her son with this woman and social services came and took the child away because the mom believes in you folks the daughter was was told The daughter was told that she was in dereliction of duty of her child and went down on the child abusers list.
She lost custody of her son and the only way she got the custody of her son back And then, obviously, she came back to England.
She rescued her son like that.
Now, that's a result of her mother believing in UFOs and having written lots of letters to the Prime Minister saying, you're responsible for my safety.
I've got blue orbs in my bedroom every night.
What's going on?
You know, you're supposed to be looking after me.
Oh my goodness.
And now the poor woman's grandchild is taken away as a result of Exactly, exactly.
So I think everyone has had a long day.
If there's no more questions, then...
Oh we have one more here.
Yeah, mothers were targeted first and foremost.
Going back to Lord Nuffield again, he financed the opening of a department that looked at the embryo in mammals in the most minutest detail.
Which then led into, as I say, they referred to that when they did the Peckham experiment, that they'd looked at the mamma, they'd looked at the fetus, they'd looked at the maternal environment.
Eric Trist, who was majorly involved with the Tavistock Institute, did a lot of research on how to break the mother-child bond, because that would enable the children to be programmed more easily by the media, by society.
It's the strong communities that they don't want, the strong families, the strong mother-child bond, that the programming that's coming out of our tellies and so on doesn't go in then.
It doesn't have the effect that they're looking for.
So if we have that strong relationship with our babies, if we can rest with them, if we can be stay-at-home moms, all the better because that's what we're building, strong teams of support for each other.
Exactly.
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