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April 16, 2025 - Project Camelot
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DR. CHRISTIAN BOGNER: ADREN0CHROME, AUTISM, DMT AND MORE
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
So I have a fascinating guest.
And actually, I'm not sure how to say your name, but I'll say it's Dr. Christian Bogner.
Hopefully I'm saying that right?
Sure. Yeah, that was great.
Okay, good.
And glad to have you on the show.
I think you're doing some really fascinating work.
And so that's very exciting.
Sorry, but the sun just came up on my side, on my windows over here.
So I've just gone completely white, but we'll deal with that.
So what I want to do is bring your bio on the screen very shortly here.
And so we're going to do that so people can read along.
So you're a director at the Oxford Recovery Center.
And so all of this is on my website.
If you're watching the show on my main YouTube channel, you can go to my website to read his bio in more extensive detail and get the links.
And it's a hyperband oxygen treatment facility in Michigan.
Along with his team, he created one of the largest autism intervention programs in Michigan.
His interests include genetic polymorphisms.
Neurotransmitter imbalances as well as effective interventions for ASD and other medical conditions.
He has lectured nationally and internationally on various subjects including autism and he sees patients daily and worldwide.
Currently he is conducting research with a local Detroit University to publish his findings regarding The role of oxidized adrenaline and e.g.
adrenochrome and DMT in autism.
So before we begin, I want to say that this video is only going to reside on YouTube while we're broadcasting.
And very shortly after that, I have to take it down because it's very likely that this is the kind of thing they're going to target and take down.
Give me a strike and take off my YouTube channel.
If that happens, I will lose the entire channel.
I've already got two strikes against me.
This would be the third strike.
The reason is because the topics we're discussing are controversial.
I want to say that in advance.
I am very excited to have you on the show, Dr. Bogner.
I hope that you'll be able to share.
Openly and freely and understand that this will not be subject to YouTube censorship because we will put it on my website after this where people can watch it.
So what I'd like you to do is introduce yourself and in a more extensive way than I've already done.
Well, thanks for having me, Carrie.
I've been listening to your show for many years and I think you're doing a fabulous job.
Your topics are Have expanded my mind and gave me a deep understanding of the universe, or at least better understanding of the universe for sure.
But yeah, my name is Dr. Christian Bogner.
I was born and raised in Germany.
My dad was a physician.
He was an OBGYN.
He's retired now.
I grew up in a family, always discussing medical things from the moment I can remember.
Went to medical school in Europe and came to the United States.
Did my medical training actually in OBGYN.
I'm board certified there.
Did it here in Michigan at a university hospital.
Then was in practice in a private practice here in Michigan for about 12 years.
And then I left my profession and over the last three years have been extensively just working with children affected with autism and other disease processes, specifically psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia,
bipolar, depression, anxiety disorders, but also cancer and autoimmune diseases and trauma.
All sorts of therapies because I joined a facility here in Michigan that deals with hyperbaric oxygen.
I'm not sure if you've ever heard of that or not, but it's a technology where you are in a room or a chamber, that's what we have in our clinics, that's filled with 100% oxygen and then we apply pressure.
To increase the oxygen tension in your body, which has various incredible effects, such as stimulation of stem cells and especially a reduction of inflammation.
And so we have a fairly large facility.
We're expanding right now.
We're going to be about 70,000 square feet.
We're already about 36,000 square feet in our clinic.
And yeah, we basically use alternative medicine, if you want to call it that way.
We call it real medicine because we follow...
Patients on an individual basis and we don't treat them because it worked for somebody else.
With most of our patients, we start from scratch.
So we do deep analysis of the genetics as well as other labs and very detailed histories to not miss anything.
And then we treat them based on this information.
The medical director of that facility, we have about 100 employees, and over the last three years, I'm very focused on autism.
I have four children.
My oldest is 15, and he's affected with autism, so that's why this sparked my interest over the last 12 years.
I've been researching this extensively, night and day.
It's a fascinating disease.
It's a horrible disease.
It's a rising problem.
It's a very prevalent disease, and it can be devastating for the whole family.
And so I've been involved with that very extensively.
We built an autism program.
We have an insurance-covered therapy intervention called ABA, where we treat in our facilities about 30 to 50 children every day.
Where we have one-on-one behavioral therapy, and we channel them through these different programs here, such as genetic analysis, nutritional intervention, and things that we're going to be discussing today, education about what really happens with these children.
Because if you go to a regular doctor, at least that's what happened to me, go to a pediatrician, they say, oh, sorry, you have a child with autism, that's the diagnosis, and then here, please.
Call these numbers to get therapy and that's all there is to it.
And you get on a big waiting list while you have a child that doesn't talk and is hyperactive and doesn't sleep and they smear their poop on the wall.
And you have to wait until you get professional help, but that's all there is to it.
They basically say it's non-curable.
You can have intensive therapy to have maybe a better outcome.
But overall, there's not much that conventional medicine is doing for these children at all.
And, you know, nowadays, if you get pregnant, your chances of having a child affected with autism is about 1 in 54, which is, you know, the risk is very, very high.
Compared to 1980, for example, you had 0.1 to 0.4 children per thousand that were.
Having autism.
And then it just went up and up and up over the decades.
So it's a huge problem.
They say in the next 10 years, we're going to have so many children autistic that we will not have enough manpower to saturate our military's branches.
And it's a national security risk.
The amounts this country is spending on care with autism, the amount of Money the family spent on a lifetime of autism is mind-blowing.
And so it's a big problem.
It affects more people.
Do you know anybody who's affected with autism, Carrie?
Well, I've done prior interviews with people on this subject, and actually a very interesting woman whose child had autism, and then she did a tremendous amount of research around it.
And looked for other ways to heal it, alternative methods.
But that was quite a long while ago.
And I don't, there's no one offhand that I know, but I've had people write to me about it.
And I'm very interested in it because I have seen that it is actually used by the...
The Deep State, the secret space program that you know I investigate.
I believe they use it to create what are...
It's kind of an X-Men scenario, basically, in humanity.
And they're trying to create precogs.
Because autistic children have a predilection to be precogs, is what they've found.
I don't know if you've heard that theory, but it seems to...
It's written about in various places.
And so when I came across that, that was of special interest to me because of what I investigate.
Because in terms of the secret space program, we're going in that direction.
In other words, transhumanism, etc.
So they're using these children to tell the future.
And it's kind of like the movie Minority Report.
In other words, going down that road.
So this is of special interest to me because I myself am a sort of a precog.
I guess that's why it interests me also.
And that's why I love what you do, because you go beyond the veil.
You are in those realms.
I can, as a researcher and physician, whatever, I can tell you why it happens.
You know, what is the chemistry behind it?
And I don't know how deep you want to dive into it.
Yeah, I'd love to hear.
You know, what is adrenochrome?
You know, is that a real thing?
What evidence is there with autism, you know, and all of that?
And it's fascinating.
Yes, please do.
I mean, we have time.
You know, your time is up to you.
I know we're limited time, but on my side, we're open to whatever you have to say.
So, in general...
That's what I do.
So I see not 30 patients a day, but maybe four patients a day, but we take our time.
We sit down and we really talk about it and identify problems.
What does your child eat?
Are the parents fighting every day?
What water does your child drink?
How does he sleep?
How does he poop?
All of these things, it takes a lot of time.
But we're very detailed because we don't want to miss anything.
And then we do testing, genetic testing.
The field of genetics is fascinating.
We all have different genetic makeup and that's why we have to look at the individual genes to see where your roadblocks are in your genes and then target those.
I believe at the end of the day, you know, any disease, if it's autism, psychiatric disease, trauma, cancer, autoimmune disease, it's all based on one basic principle, and that is that it's toxicity and deficiency.
You have too much of, maybe too many chemicals, and you have too little to take care of that.
So you have deficiencies.
Toxicities and deficiencies is what every disease can be described upon, and they all are based on that.
And so in autism, it's no different that the children have, the defenses are missing, the defenses against a huge amount of chemicals that they're exposed to.
We know, and even the CDC admits, it is an environmental reason that these children, you know, have the symptoms that they express, you know, difficulty with learning, with attention, you know, tantrums.
Oversensitive to the environment, often have repetitive and obsessive compulsions, aggression, self-injures.
You know, the spectrum is very large.
We do have children that bite their skin off or smear poop on the walls.
We also have children who are very quiet, they're artistic, and they're very intelligent.
They solve puzzles and still don't talk but do other incredible things, you know.
Learn an instrument or a different language.
The umbrella of autism is large, but I believe it is still based on the same principle.
And that has to do with the adrenochrome.
And we're just exploring that with a variety of different experts in the field of DMT to see the link between adrenochrome and DMT, which...
Well, can you, because I don't know if you're using adrenochrome in quite the same way that we kind of in this community use it.
So can you define what you consider to be adrenochrome?
Okay, good.
Yeah. So when I have somebody walk in the office here, shooting up the place, and I hear the guns, my heart immediately would start pumping, right?
Because that's because my adrenal glands released adrenaline.
And the effect is that my heart beats faster, my lungs open up to let oxygen in, and the adrenaline also releases a lot of sugar for my muscles.
It releases sugar from the liver for immediate access for my muscles.
Why? Because the body is anticipating that there's an extreme danger, and the extreme danger, the body preemptively releases sugar in because it's figuring out you're going to...
Get the heck away from it or you're going to fight, fight or flight, right?
So it preemptively releases sugar and that sugar, you know, gives us the energy.
So the problem is when the adrenaline, you know, the onset is quick.
You see something very scary, your heart goes up and you can calm down within a couple minutes usually if it's nothing urgent and you just, you know, had a false alarm, for example.
So there's a mechanism that exists in the body that breaks down the adrenaline, right?
And that is done via enzymes.
So there's an enzyme.
You have adrenaline.
The enzyme breaks it down and inactivates it.
Now that enzyme is made by a gene.
That's what genes are there for.
Remember, we have 20,000 genes.
Each gene has its own function to produce a protein.
And most proteins are enzymes.
But every little gene has its own function.
And so the gene that breaks down the adrenaline is called COMT, catecholamine methyltransferase.
And that gene, children with autism, for example, have problems with, but a lot of people have problems with this gene.
And that means, remember, we have 20,000 genes.
COMT, that gene that breaks down adrenaline, is one of them.
And we have two copies of that gene, one from mom.
And one from dad.
And what we're looking at with these genes is to see if that individual child with autism, for example, received a bad copy from dad or a bad copy from mom or a good copy from mom, bad copy from dad,
or two bad copies.
Because what that means is that...
We have two copies of each gene from each parent, but they have different functionalities, meaning if you have a bad copy from that, then the whole of what these genes can do is reduced by about 30%.
We call it heterozygous.
If both of your parents end up giving you a bad copy of that gene, it doesn't mean that the gene doesn't work.
It's just 70% reduced in its function.
The reason is that a gene, remember, like a computer, has zeros and ones.
Our DNA has four numbers or four letters.
It's A, G, C, and T. And so a gene is a combination of 100,000 letters, let's say, and different letter combinations, which makes that gene.
What we're looking at is that, for example, that gene that you get from your mom, if there's one single letter substitution, instead of a C, there's a T. And that we call single nucleotide polymorphism.
And what that means is when you have that variation, it's not that the gene cannot make the protein.
It's just the protein as it makes is now folded a little bit different if you have one of those substitutions.
And when it's folded three-dimensionally a little bit different, the enzyme doesn't work as good.
That's why we're not looking to see if genes are missing, if they're mutated or deleted.
We're looking to see the functionality, the capacity of your genes.
And so let's say...
You, as an individual, have a problem with COMT.
Both of your parents gave you a weaker copy.
It only works at 30%.
And the adrenaline there is now.
So that means when your adrenaline goes up, oh my God, it sticks around longer.
It's elevated longer, which means your heart would pump longer.
It would take you longer to calm down.
You would be happy.
You know, your heart rate would go up longer.
More sugar would get released.
And, you know, chronically, that can reflect with anxiety.
You're just chronically anxious if that happens.
You're more prone for anxiety.
But because dopamine, for example, also has COMT.
It has other genes that break it down.
It usually leads to higher dopamine.
So these people are maybe anxious, but...
The advantage would be that these individuals would have higher intelligence because they have higher dopamine levels, and dopamine makes your neurons fire, and you just have higher intelligence.
It's just a proven fact.
But in regards to adrenaline, when the adrenaline goes up, and we can discuss later what raises adrenaline in the first place in these kids, which is stress, which is sugar, and which are chemicals.
And they are very important, specifically aluminum, as you will find out, which is, you know, you know where this is going.
But the adrenaline, when it cannot be broken down very well, when it overwhelms the system, basically, then there needs to be another way for the body to get rid of it, because it could eventually cause you coronary constrictions, heart attacks, and so forth.
So there must be a...
A defense system in the body built in that gets rid of the adrenaline that couldn't be broken down genetically.
And that happens with the addition.
What burns the adrenaline is free radicals.
So free radicals are compounds that were formed in response to, for example, a chemical.
If you have a chemical...
That your liver couldn't grasp and it starts entering your bloodstream.
Chemicals are very negatively charged.
That means they have a lot of electrons in their orbit.
And that makes them fat soluble.
So when they enter your blood, they're more likely to be stored in your fat than you peeing them out.
Most chemicals in the industry are very negatively charged, a lot of electrons.
And so when the liver couldn't grasp that chemical...
And the reasons we can discuss, if you want, the main reason is a lack of glutathione, our most powerful binding and antioxidant that we produce.
But if that chemical enters the blood, the problem is that, you know, it gets stored in the fat, but on its way to the fat, the body wants to have one more attempt to make it water-soluble.
And that's by stripping electrons off the chemical, make it more positively charged.
And that can be done by oxygen bouncing off the chemical.
And so when the oxygen bounces off the chemical, it steals an electron, making this more positively charged, you pee it out, but that comes to the expense of having now an oxygen molecule with an extra electron.
And that's what we call a free radical, and that's actually what causes inflammation, because it's very reactive.
It has this extra electron now, this oxygen molecule, and because it's not paired with another electron, it tries to get it from our tissues, you know, from our kidneys, our liver, our gut.
But also, you know, from the brain, very electron-rich organ.
Eventually, you know, if you have so much inflammation, you have, for example, brain fog.
We can talk about that.
So when these free radicals form, they now react with the free adrenaline that we couldn't break down.
So that means the more inflammation you have, the more it will burn the adrenaline.
And the more symptoms you will have, as you will see.
That means the worse, for example, your diet, you know, with a lot of chemicals and so on, the worse your behavior.
And that's why diet will be so important.
But when the free radicals now react with the adrenaline, something interesting happens because what happens is a process called auto-oxidation, which means that the free radical, and that can be either superoxide or hydrogen peroxide,
very reactive.
Not only burn one adrenaline, they burn it all.
We call that auto-oxidation.
It's like a chain reaction where all the adrenaline will burn.
And it forms a new chemical, and that new chemical is called adrenochrome.
And adrenochrome simply is oxidized adrenaline.
And the history of it goes back to the 50s, where there were researchers with the names of Hoffer and Smithies.
They started to find adrenochrome interesting because, in fact, how it was discovered first in the 50s was that there was a patient went to his pharmacist and he said, hey, my adrenaline spray, you know,
adrenaline opens up your lungs, so it's actually used in asthma.
It was an asthmatic patient.
He said, hey, I need adrenaline.
I ran out.
I'm just coming through town.
And the pharmacist said, sorry, I only have one.
You know, spray left of adrenaline, but it's expired.
So, you know, when it expires, it means it oxidized.
Oxygen got in it over time and it formed adrenochrome.
So when he took that spray, you know, first he thought, man, things are very strange.
You know, he was on his way home.
He said, I just don't feel right.
You know, almost like as if he's a little bit drunk.
And he had no idea that that was related to the adrenochrome spray.
And then...
It got much worse when he kept taking it.
It ended up basically developing schizophrenia.
And when he mentioned that to his doctor, luckily for him, it was one of those researchers that really looked into that and then finally discovered adrenochrome.
And so what those physicians then did, they're like, could it be that, for example, schizophrenia?
Could be due to oxidized adrenaline because of adrenochrome.
And so what they did, they synthesized it.
They actually produced it.
And in the process of production, what's interesting, they found the best way to make adrenochrome is by adding epinephrine with silver oxide or aluminum.
So if you add aluminum or silver with adrenaline, you form tons of adrenochrome.
And that will be very, very important later when we talk about autism or mass vaccination agendas, the importance of why they want everybody vaccinated.
It's not that they want autism, in my opinion, at least.
They don't want autism.
It's just they want everybody full with aluminum for various reasons.
But yeah, to come back to...
Okay, but are you able to say what those reasons are that they want people to be full of aluminum?
Well, I can tell you...
Even one or two reasons.
You don't have to go through all of them, but, you know, because we know there's aluminum in the chemtrails as well, and yet it's funny that they put it in vaccines when they've already found that.
Aluminum is detrimental to a human if put in vaccines, but they continue to do it anyway.
Let me just say this.
There is some speculation about this in certain internet groups, and I can't verify any of this, but why would it be beneficial to have, for example, Vaccination or mass vaccination agenda,
for example, flu shot or whatever, you inject certain metals into humans, and especially the big percentage that doesn't have the ability to properly process all of these chemicals in it, such as heavy metals.
When you have a patient that then has...
Perception problems because of the adrenochrome that was formed, you're more susceptible and receptible to suggestions or to fear.
And I see everything intricately connected.
Why is Hollywood, why do they have scary movies, for example?
Why is horror movies, you know, why is that such a big thing?
Even though it's fun, it still rises our adrenaline.
So ultimately, it does turn and...
Those individuals that have more metals in them immediately into adrenochrome.
And so if you think, for example, about adrenochrome, you know, there's basically three forms.
Let's say, well, let me backtrack.
Why would it be lucrative for somebody to seek adrenochrome?
Well, theoretically, it would make sense because they have found, you know, with all of this research that has been going on, not only in the schizophrenia world, but in...
You know, it's very highly anti-mitotic, which means it prevents abnormal cell division.
So it's very potent against cancer.
For example, if you look at a patient with schizophrenia, you know, where it is believed that the reason for that is very high levels of adrenochrome.
In fact, I believe in schizophrenia.
That's the hypothesis that makes the most sense.
Then you look at a patient with schizophrenia.
Up to 80% of patients with schizophrenia smoke.
And that's a disease that we know about for almost 100 years now.
And we know a lot about it.
But we also know that the cancer risk in a patient with schizophrenia is about 40 times less than that of the average person.
Yet 80% of schizophrenics, up to 80% smoke.
So how come we don't really see cancer described in schizophrenics despite the high use of nicotine and, you know, cigarettes?
It's because of their high level of adrenochrome.
So is it possible that we basically, you know, how you give growth hormones to a cow, they are vaccinating us with aluminum to basically make us into little adrenochrome batteries because At least five years ago,
the data that we have is that about six million pints of blood get donated to the Red Cross every year.
That's six million pints of blood.
What do they do with this blood?
How much of this is used for research and all of that?
Could they potentially extract adrenochrome because of its powerful anti-cancer properties?
Could it be used by the elite?
For that purpose.
I mean, if you have $40 billion, what's your goal in life?
Your goal would be not to die, right?
Not to enjoy your money.
And, you know, if somebody comes and says, hey, listen, you know, this adrenochrome, this costs a million dollars right there, but it's good against cancer.
You think the question of the billionaire would be, hey, where did you get this?
No, it would be all right.
How can I pay you?
You know, it doesn't care.
Where you got this from?
You don't meet the cow before you eat the steak, right?
So it's potentially very lucrative to have a molecule that's very potent against cancer, you know, to be harvested.
And that's why they just want aluminum in everyone because the demand is higher for this.
And, you know, what if it's used in Hollywood everywhere?
You know, they all look great and there are many...
YouTube videos you can find where they just joke about, you know, how do you have such beautiful skin?
Oh, it's because, you know, it's an extract from baby foreskin or something.
You know, an interesting thing is the whole thing that comes in with the...
Babies and all that, abortion, late-term abortions, the highest amounts of adrenaline a human produces is in the first two years of life, and especially at birth.
You know, when you need lots of adrenaline, that opens up the lungs.
For these babies, when they take their first breaths, never have higher adrenaline in a human than at birth.
And so is that maybe why we have late-term?
It's all speculation.
I'm not saying it is.
It's just, you know, you're trying for me to connect dots.
You know, on the other side, if you look at the effects that DMT has, for example, it's, you know, it's unexplored territory.
This is, there are reports about, you know, Rick Strassman, I don't know if you know him, he's in New Mexico, and how the DMT, you know, what we're doing right now, I'm talking to a very interesting researcher from UC Davis,
who's Very well-versed in the DMT world.
In fact, he's one of the world leaders in the research in DMT.
And I wrote to him and I asked him,"Hey, you know, I have some good evidence that what I believe is that these children with autism, they're all in a different reality.
They're all hallucinating.
They have either too much DMT, but what I believe is..." Creating the release of DMT, for example, children with autism, is the high levels of adrenochrome.
And so we're currently in discussions with that, but we certainly are going to publish our findings very soon, at least, you know, on a theoretical basis.
But I believe that...
Children with autism have higher adrenochrome levels.
We want to prove it.
We want to use techniques to measure it.
We already have described these methods and it's possible.
All we need is the IRB approval through my university here.
And of course, you know, we're going to have to do some fundraising because this is going to be not cheap to measure these markers.
Well, just wondering if the adrenochrome that exists in the system and DMT, how those two things interact with each other?
Because you're saying high levels of adrenochrome are because of DMT, or how does that work?
That's a good question.
So first, I want to maybe explain that from coming from...
The view of somebody with autism, for example.
If you observe a child with autism, you see that they're constantly moving and they don't pay attention.
And oftentimes you see them tracking things in the distance or even, you know, with their eyes follow, even though there's nothing moving.
We have even a system called neurofeedback here in our office, where you put EEGs on the head and you measure the brain frequencies.
When you and me, for example, would have alpha and beta frequencies dominating in an awake state, we find that in children with autism, the frequencies are theta.
And theta are usually frequencies that you observe in a human that is asleep, yet the children with autism are awake.
So does that maybe mean that You know, the effects are like, for example, as the children are literally tripping.
They're living in different realities.
And so when I looked at adrenochrome, you know, the effects of adrenochrome have been described to stimulate a receptor in the frontal lobes.
And the receptor is called alpha-2C adrenoceptor.
Very specific little receptor.
And that receptor is usually only expressed in the prefrontal cortex and the striatum.
And the striatum is a little hub in the brain that receives input from the frontal lobes and then coordinates your movement according to your perceived reality.
And so in those two areas, we have this receptor.
So in the frontal lobes, what it does, if it docks onto that receptor, it secretes a lot of dopamine.
And dopamine, remember, connects neurons and you can remember things.
It gives you higher intelligence, sure.
You know, and so that was a good hypothesis already, and I wanted to publish it.
But then I was thinking, you know, I have patients with Parkinson's, for example, and my patients with Parkinson's, sometimes when we measure their neurotransmitter levels, man, that dopamine is sometimes 32,000 when the upper normal is supposed to be 1,000.
And yet they are not hallucinating.
So it's not really dopamine, in my opinion, that causes.
The hallucinations.
In fact, the dopamine receptor has not been described as causing hallucinations.
And so I kept looking, and then I was thinking, well, many years ago I read this book from Rick Strassman called DMT, the spirit molecule.
DMT, as you know, it's a very powerful psychedelic, and DMT was found to be produced by the human.
Pineal gland.
And in fact, the other great researchers in the DMT world are here at my local university, at University of Michigan, who I started contacting as well.
And so they actually have proven that the little pineal gland in the center of our brain, which we all know secretes melatonin, produces DMT.
It's a mysterious molecule because when Rick Strassman, that psychiatrist from New Mexico at the University of New Mexico, actually had received approval to study this molecule.
What happens if I infuse it through the veins in higher doses?
He went into increments.
He started low and then he had three doses that went higher.
Sorry, there's somebody blowing the leaves.
It might be a little loud.
The interesting things was what he observed.
These patients described DMT as nothing compared to LSD or anything like that.
They literally just left the whole...
Reality, any contact with their body, any sense of time.
They saw geometrical forms, very complex colors, and it felt like they're uncontrollably flying with a rocket through space and met different entities, aliens, light beings.
And this is also with ayahuasca as well, right?
Yeah, ayahuasca simply is two plants.
One that contains DMT.
And another plant that contains an enzyme that inhibits that the DMT gets broken down.
And, you know, what's interesting is that DMT was found to be produced by the pineal gland in humans.
But what is the purpose of DMT is the question.
And, you know, some say it has anti-cancer properties.
But when...
When you look at autism, for example, we know that autistic children have lower levels of melatonin.
So there's already a pineal problem with these children.
And the interesting thing is that in autism, we also have, you know, a four to one ratio, for example, in autism of male to females.
It's much more common in males than in girls.
The reason for that is believed to be that specific enzyme that breaks down DMT.
It's called monoamine oxidase.
It also breaks down dopamine and serotonin specifically, but that particular enzyme only is located on the X chromosome.
It's not located on the Y chromosome.
That's why boys only have one X. They have a Y, so they only have that possibility.
Of one MAO gene.
We call them hemizygous.
Girls have two X's.
So if they receive a bad copy of MOA, they can still get a good copy from the other parent.
That's why it's less likely to become autistic, in my opinion, in girls.
But in boys, they only have MAO.
And from the genetic tests that I have seen, most of them have that problem, a slower form of MAO.
And so you have higher abilities of DMT.
That's where you see, in my opinion, the severity of autism.
There's mild, you know, not so severe autism and very severe autism.
It depends on the concentration of your DMT.
You have very high levels of DMT in a naive brain, we're talking about.
You know, these experiments were made in New Mexico on adult brains, oftentimes with people who already had experience with LSD and all kinds of other drugs.
But in children, if you give it to a child and they, from the beginning, Have an altered reality like this, where they feel out of their body, they perceive everything different.
The whole trajectory of neurodevelopment is altered.
And of course, how can you tell a child to function in our reality when they don't even perceive this reality as we would?
And so anything that you teach them is not going to stick because it doesn't make sense to them.
And so that's what I believe, what the connection is.
Now, when you look at DMT, for example, where it has been studied, it has been called the near-death molecule, which means that if you drive your car and all of a sudden there's a big semi out of control about to hit you, in those couple seconds before the big truck hits you and you know that you're going to die,
there's just no way that you're going to survive this.
In that time frame, DMT allegedly gets released, because what happens is that you have a very similar experience to those that had the DMT infused into the veins.
And so your whole life starts flashing in front of your eyes.
It feels like an eternity, when in reality, just a few seconds have passed.
And so you can appreciate how powerful DMT must be.
That's why I believe that, for example, in these acute fear states, when you look at the near-death experience, there's no way that the adrenaline was produced in the adrenal glands and had time to enter your blood, to your heart, to go to your brain.
It had to come endogenously from somewhere in the brain.
And so what happens is that the photons of your reality hit your retina, and that gets processed.
And goes to a nucleus, suprachiasmic nucleus it's called.
And it sends from there adrenergic fibers to your spinal cord and then to the pineal gland.
And the fascinating thing is that the pineal gland that holds the DMT It has adrenoceptors, the same receptors that adrenochrome docks onto.
And so I believe that it's a continuous process of these children to remain in this reality because their perception has changed.
And when the perception has changed, if you ask anybody with autism that is able to talk...
Their thoughts are usually very dark.
A lot of bad things happening in their mind.
It's never rainbows and butterflies.
It's always something very dark.
Some monsters, some spiders.
It's just a horrible existence, probably.
Just a bad LSD trip.
Well, let me ask you this.
It sounds as though it's actually the fight or flight.
You know, that is actually kicked in.
And so when you're talking about this adrenochrome or the DMT being released, it's kind of, it's almost like an aphrodisiac.
It puts you in an altered state, but it's a positive altered state.
Like it's almost, you know, and so that counteracts or affects this fight or flight.
Kind of impulse that is going to your muscles to, to say, you know, to be aggressive and to run and to do all these things.
So those two things coming together, in other words, the altered state and the muscle stimulus would seem to actually not cancel each other out, but put you into, this is what they would want a super soldier in essence to have.
So that when on, you know, on, on Or on command, they would react, and they won't feel pain, okay?
Because they will be in an altered state not to feel pain, and they will also be, you know, in a sort of elusive reality where they're indestructible.
And maybe possibly more receptive to suggestion, which is important if you talk about super soldier.
And then more fear stimulates it again, and then it goes into stimulate the release of DMT.
I mean, I'm just, I don't know if I'm...
No, you're on the right track.
There's a lot of speculation, of course, but we have to synthesize our speculation based on facts.
And one of the facts in regards to adrenochrome, for example, is that research into adrenochrome really went dark in the early 1960s.
And it went dark for a reason that wasn't justified, really, that they found later, but the interest was already gone.
But was it maybe just a coincidence?
Because what also shut down in the same year...
Believe it or not, the adrenochrome paper came back saying it's not psychoactive.
That's when MKUltra went dark.
Did it go into the private sector or not?
But what are the effects of DMT and adrenochrome?
Did they find something that they, hey, if we synthesize that on a higher basis, could you...
Could we research this molecule for possible mind control?
You know, we don't know what they're sending through the...
And it might sound schizophrenic by itself, but I mean...
Well, I have a, you know, a businessman, Richard Alan Miller, who also deciphered the dolphin language when he was young.
He's quite brilliant.
I don't know if you ever heard me interview Richard Alan Miller?
No. He's, like I said, he's a physicist.
He's a brilliant man.
And, you know, he himself is a very interesting case.
But at any rate, I could tell him about you and your work.
And he could actually, he worked in Black projects for like 40 years and then he left all that.
Although the Navy has tabs on him all the time and all that.
So, but he would know a lot about this, okay?
This exact thing.
And so if you have aluminum, especially in the brain, this reaction is just much more powerful.
How about aluminum versus silver?
Because it seems silver is, you know, colloidal silver gets rid of viruses and so on and so forth.
So it seems silver is a lot more positive, whereas aluminum seems it has some limitations.
Yeah, there are different forms of these metals, alloys.
You know, with the silver, it's not silver oxide that you use in those products, in the colloidal silver.
That's, you know, deaminated.
It doesn't have toxic properties like silver oxide.
You wouldn't want to take silver oxide.
That's just used in the lab to, you know...
Basically, burn the adrenaline into the adrenochrome.
But they also did that with aluminum in experiments.
It was not as good as silver, but aluminum, you know, we have in vaccinations, for example.
And, you know, we get exposure to that already when the child is in utero.
We get the flu shot and we get the Tdap.
And, you know, then RhoGAM, possibly, if your blood type is negative.
And then in the first 24 hours, you already get hit with the hepatitis B shot, which has no justification whatsoever medically for a child, you know, sexually transmitted disease or, you know, IV drug needles, you know, there's no reason for Hep B. And so there's a big exposure to these children very early on with these metals.
And remember, the highest amounts of adrenaline are in the first two years, which means that these children, you know, possibly...
Create these altered realities from early on, or at least, you know, when they get more and more vaccinations, in my opinion, you know, I mean, by what we've calculated, by 18 months, you get about 4,900
micrograms of aluminum injected when we know that the, you know, kidneys, which usually get rid of a lot of the aluminum, are not even developed until the age of two.
And so it's mind-boggling of why we're doing this, but that's a whole different topic.
But don't they say there's a direct link between vaccination and autism?
Well, you know, there's always two sides to it, and the side that...
You know, obviously denies that there's any correlation, obviously has more money, and that's big pharma, and they have all of their studies.
But, you know, the vaccine studies by themselves are ridiculous because they're comparing one vaccine that they want to study to a vaccine that's already on the market.
So they never compare vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children.
They think this is unethical to even have that group here existing.
So they're comparing, you know, Apples to oranges and make conclusions that there's no correlation.
But regardless of vaccines here and there, ultimately, I have patients that are autistic that have never received vaccinations.
It's not just, you know, that, of course.
It's just a big boost of lots of metals, aluminum.
So does aluminum injure this gene that you talked about?
Which, you know, you said could be weak and you get it from your mother and you get it from your father.
Does aluminum weaken that or could it interfere with that if gotten at a young age?
You know, we're looking specifically about at 120 genes.
And so that would be a problem with other genes.
For example, you know, when you inject aluminum, one of the chemicals that binds aluminum is glutathione.
Glutathione is our most powerful antioxidant that we produce in the liver.
And the problem is, you know, if we don't have a lot of glutathione available, the aluminum will remain in the system.
And the body usually, you know, the immune cell comes that chews up the aluminum, and then the aluminum cannot be processed because you don't have glutathione.
So it sticks around in the immune cell.
And then the immune cell, you know, goes to where it's needed.
If all of a sudden, you have inflammation somewhere, the aluminum is then getting carried into that area.
But eventually, because the brain has a lot of blood supply, it tends to end up in the brain.
We have a researcher from...
From Britain, Chris Exley, who did autopsies on autistic children, and he was a researcher very much involved in Alzheimer's and found, you know, high aluminum levels in Alzheimer's patients, but nothing compared to what he saw in the aluminum levels in the children with autism.
There were incredibly high levels of aluminum in the brain.
And so when you have altered realities, and let's say you're in a bad space, you know, it's a scary world.
Because of that wrong perception from these children, you know, they always have higher levels of adrenochrome, which then, because of that, altered perception.
So adrenochrome changes your perception, and then you release the DMT in response to that, which completely changes a different reality on top of a different reality.
So that's why we need to look at this on different planes of how do we reduce...
Adrenaline, how do we promote its breakdown better?
And that is, you know, a lot of education, a lot of discussions that we have with these parents, but the results are incredible, especially if we then add oxygen, hyperbaric oxygen, we see children within four weeks start spontaneously speaking.
And that's what we're also studying right now and trying to publish.
Well, now, I wonder, are you familiar with Jim Humble and what's called MMS?
And now they don't consider using CO, whatever it's made of, and they don't suggest using acid.
Now they use it with water, I guess it is.
I don't know if you know.
I interviewed Andreas Kalker.
I know from...
Jim Humble is a great guy.
Apparently he cured malaria with it and traveling through Africa.
Well, the woman that I was referring to, and I don't have her name right in front of me.
I could look it up and send it to you and you could even get in touch with her.
I think she even went to court over her child and all of this thing.
You know, she had an autistic child and was trying to find a cure.
She used MMS with her child and they tried to stop her or something, but it cured her child in a very record time.
Sid, did you ever hear about that?
Yeah, I know a physician that's very much involved with it.
Her name is Carrie Rivera.
I think that's it.
That's her name.
I think that's who I interviewed a long time ago.
I've seen her several times.
I've seen her counsel patients with MMS.
But they say it's dangerous or something and so on.
I don't think it's dangerous.
It's chlorine dioxide.
It's not the same as bleach.
Anybody who asks doesn't know their chemistry.
It's not harmful.
But the question always is, why are you using it?
Carrie Rivera's idea is that every child...
With autism has parasites.
And so she believes that the MMS is destroying the parasites and hence you get cured.
I think it's nothing, it's never going to be one solution.
It's a multi, it's very, very complex in autism.
I have lots of children who have tests for parasites.
They have used MMS with no changes at all.
And so I'd be careful with that.
If it has worked for her child, that's amazing.
I wouldn't be able to explain why.
Okay. Well, it also removes blockages, in other words, from foreign agents.
One thing that I was told that is if we ever did get a vaccine, if you took MMS right afterwards, or what's now called something else, it's not called that anymore.
That it would get rid of that foreign agent.
And it might even get rid of the metals, like aluminum, out of your system.
So in that way, it could be useful.
I was just told that.
I don't know it.
I'm not aware that chlorine dioxide binds metals.
That would be actually dangerous then, because that would be a chelator, and you would have a lot of other electrolytes missing, iron, and so those that are actually important to the body.
I believe that the idea behind MMS is that it releases electrons.
You know, it creates electrons that are toxic to bacteria, toxic to parasites.
I'm not sure how it would interact with metals.
Maybe there is some...
Okay, yeah, I don't know, you know, why they said that.
But at any rate, to get back to when you're talking about DMT, are you suggesting that DMT is a solution?
If given in a certain kind of dosage to children with autism, or is it something else that you're researching because you're looking into DMT?
Well, when I look at these children, I think their behavior can be explained because of an altered reality that they have entered.
That reality is not pretty because in most cases, these children are freaked out.
I mean, they're scared.
Which keeps that cycle going of adrenaline that's stimulating more DMT, altering your reality, and all of that is fueled by, you know, sugar and free radicals growing the bacteria that oxidizes all of that.
So they're little burning machines that just produce adrenochrome and DMT potentially.
That's what I believe.
We need to prevent that that happens.
We need to get them back to our reality.
We need to block the effects, possibly the receptors that these molecules act on, you know, if you want to look at it from a pharmaceutical standpoint.
But all of these are options.
I know that, for example, and I'm not giving any medical advice to anyone, you know, this is all speculation.
Don't take my advice, please, without talking to your doctor.
But, for example, Blood pressure medications have been used for stage fright, right?
30 minutes before you go on stage, and if you're nervous, you take a blood pressure medication.
Why? Why is that?
Because the adrenaline, you know, makes you, literally paralyzes you.
It changes your perception.
You lose everything around you, and you're in this state of fear.
And, you know, blood pressure medications have been successfully used, for example, in autism.
There are studies that are out there being used off-label for these children.
If you, for example, it's a stupid correlation, but, you know, recently with my wife, we watched this show on Netflix called House on Haunted Hill or whatever.
It's a story about a family of children and they're in this mansion and they're all seeing monsters.
But it turns out quickly that these monsters don't really exist.
They're all just very schizophrenic.
And they're going through their worst fears.
It all stems from the dad, and in the last episode of the season, I don't want to give anything away, but in the last episodes of the season, before the dad is about to have an episode of schizophrenia, you know, he can feel it coming, that he's about to hallucinate, he grabs his medication and he takes it,
and if you freeze it at that moment, you see that what he was taking is a blood pressure medication.
So why would you take a blood pressure medication for prevention of schizophrenia?
It's because...
Adrenochrome stimulates DMT.
Regardless, those are the little things that I see, these correlations with vaccines, with autism, with blood pressure medications, DMT, and all of that.
It's pretty fascinating.
Absolutely. Well, I really appreciate you coming on the show to talk about this.
I think it's absolutely fascinating.
I think there's a lot more, I guess, research that You're going to be able to do around this.
It, you know, it strikes me that there are some unanswered questions in there that, as you said, that has to do with MKUltra, right?
My dog's having a dream background there.
So anyway, she's way over there, so I can't.
Sky? That's fine.
But anyway.
The MKUltra link is a very interesting one that you're making.
I looked into that a little more.
The guy that studied the adrenochrome, his name was Abraham Hopper.
He operated the largest psychiatric hospital in North America and Canada.
He was visited by...
The CIA during that time, and the people during that time were involved with MKUltra.
So there was connections there, and I don't know how much of this was covered up, but I'm sure there's more to it.
Well, you know, the Presidio, what one would do as well is to look into the Presidio back in the day, and there's a hospital called the Letterman Hospital that burned to the ground.
And apparently that wasn't accidental.
It was actually set fire to because they had, this sounds a little like a ghost story, but they had so much negative stuff had been released in the halls of the hospital that they, you know, had to destroy it,
as the story goes, that I was told.
And they were, I mean, really specifically in the 60s, the MKUltra experimentation.
Was happening in, you know, the Presidio and in the Letterman Hospital.
So maybe in Canada as well, but I can definitely, you know, point anyone in the direction of that.
So that's, again, a very interesting situation.
You know, it kind of gets into the Montauk Project.
And, you know, I don't know if you followed the, you know, what happened, but they supposedly...
Duncan Cameron is tied up to a machine.
He envisions this monster, and then the monster does materialize and destroys the base.
Okay, is how the story goes.
And so, again, you've got a link-up between reality and what...
So it's very possible that these children could generate, you know, I don't know if you want to call it ectoplasm or whatever it is, but they might have...
You know, these are superpowers, you know what I mean?
It sounds like Stranger Things to me.
Yeah, that too.
Yeah, it's very possible.
You know, and children who, you know, young teenagers that are, you know, high, they have a lot of, you would call it, you might call it adrenochrome, I would call it orgone, but they, you know, they're highly sexual, sexualized,
especially young girls, and then they generate.
What is called poltergeist activity.
So there's a direct link up there as well.
So, I mean, it's not an illusion.
Now nobody's proven it necessarily.
But I bet that if this stuff went black, it went black along those, you know, what I mean is above top secret.
It went black along those lines.
But I think it's really wonderful and fascinating that you're trying to.
You know, deal with this autism issue because, no doubt about it, it's an epidemic, from what I understand, in the United States at least.
I'm not sure about worldwide.
Is that correct?
There are only two countries that have higher autism rates than the United States.
And those are all industrialized countries.
Which two do you know?
Japan and Ireland in general are known to have higher incidences.
Really? Yeah.
So in highly industrialized, you know, I would...
I think more chemicals, more vaccination programs, and so forth.
Uh-huh.
Right. All right.
Well, is there anything that we haven't touched on that, you know, because obviously you go in so many different directions, your research, and that you would like, because, you know, this is really a great way for people to get familiar with your work,
and even if they want to contribute to it, I don't know if you do that sort of thing.
You know, I don't want to promote my...
Of what I do or not, but, you know, I'm in the business of helping people one patient at a time.
For me, it's not about the quantity, but for me, it's the quality of care.
And I get very involved with my patients in regards to, you know, being very thorough.
And we do worldwide counseling, not only for autism, but any of your problems, I believe, can be explained, you know, with, you know, what we've discussed in regards to going deep into the root causes, you know, which usually happen.
Deficiencies and toxicities.
And that is all based in between, played with our genes.
How could they mix all these together?
So if anybody is interested in more advanced therapy for any medical condition, we will discuss.
But we have hyperbaric oxygen here in Michigan.
We have people visit us from all over the world.
And if you're interested to find out more, come to our website.
OxfordRecoveryCenter.com.
We do online counseling as well.
We can ship you all the testing kits if you need them.
And yeah, we'd be happy to see you.
Okay, very good.
Now, just one last question.
Just curious.
With this, you know, the advent of...
Rolling out very quickly what they're going to try to do with regard to COVID-19, a vaccine program, right?
So you must have, I mean, I imagine, you know, it would seem it's going to be if people are in a state of fear anyway, as it happens, and then they want to take this vaccine that's not really very tested.
And especially like from what I hear, the Moderna one.
Where they've never done a vaccine for people before, actually have no track record whatsoever as it happens.
And then, of course, there's Pfizer that's doing this too and has a track record of financial misdealings, so to speak, and so on.
In other words, is there anything that you can say about rolling out a COVID vaccine in a rushed situation?
That then could also backfire in having even more incidents, for example, of autistic children.
Oh, that's a good question.
And I'm sure you had probably better guests on that, like Sterling Hill, for example.
I did have Sterling Hill.
It's all speculation.
I mean...
The big thing is they've rushed this through, and how can you even say that this will not have long-term effects when you haven't studied it long-term?
It's an RNA vaccine, so there are big concerns with that.
I would think it is insane to vaccinate yourself against something that there's a 99.x cure rate for it to come cold.
I mean, it's insane.
We interact with viruses and bacteria.
On a daily basis, there's thousands of different viral DNA particles encoded in our DNA.
This is what makes us.
And what if it's mutated?
Or what if it will mutate because of the vaccine?
What if it's going to turn into an even worse form of it?
What if we have a different strain of COVID-20?
So many questions.
Why didn't we have it before?
Why all of a sudden we have it within, you know, six months when we had the coronavirus for decades and decades?
You know, it's been around probably for as long as humanity is around.
So I don't see any scientific plausibility to develop even a vaccine like this.
There's no reason for that.
You know, where are all the flu cases?
Where did they go this year?
They mixed them with the COVID numbers.
Even on the CDC website, if you separate only COVID-19 deaths, it's nothing close to what they're being reported.
So I'm very skeptical about it.
I feel bad for those that have lost their lives.
But I do not believe that it's reason to panic like we have shutting down the whole planet and to develop this.
Vaccination. I think we have very good therapeutics.
What about, why is nobody talking about vitamin C, vitamin zinc, you know, immunotherapy, hyperbaric oxygen.
Why do we always have to go and develop some crazy vaccines that saves us?
Do something for your immune system, you know, strengthen your immune system.
And so the whole outlook on this to go to pharma, look for the solution is so ridiculous.
We bypass all these.
Beautiful mechanisms we have built in within us.
Stimulate them, learn about the body, and don't always look to pharma.
I think I'm such an aversion to vaccines.
I just say no.
I would not in a million years take it.
Well, thank you very much.
It's Dr. Bodnar.
I really appreciate everything you have to say.
And I think it's very fascinating.
So I hope you'll stay in touch.
If you have anything more, you want to like some...
Big discovery you have.
Contact us.
We'd love to have you back on the show.
Thank you so much, Carrie, for having me.
Okay. All right.
You take care.
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