Mr. X: a former UFO archivist 10.23.2006 18 YEARS AGO
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I'm
Bill Ryan and I'm the author of the Serpa.org website, which went online in the middle of November 2005.
And one of the features of the website was a contact form in which I encouraged visitors to the website to contact me with any information, comments, thoughts, questions that they might want to have.
And of course my original intention was to encourage a dialogue about Serpo itself.
But right from the start I was aware of the possibility.
That people might get in touch to talk about anything else, which of course I welcomed.
And one such here is a man who I'm talking to.
It's a very great pleasure.
I'm not going to identify him for obvious reasons.
And he has a very interesting story to tell about his personal interaction with Relics and documents and artifacts and films from a whole series of alien encounters starting off with Roswell in 1947. And it became very clear that after
this man contacted me just saying that he had an interesting story to tell and told me one or two little details about that, I picked up that ball, recognizing that there's something here of Some considerable importance.
This has got nothing to do with the Sopo story, but it should be something that's of considerable interest to every serious student of ufology.
And I wonder if I could just ask you to summarize your story just in a couple of sentences, just so the viewers here will get an idea of why it was that I immediately seized on what you had to say and saw that it was important.
Well, my original contact had been that I had seen nothing in my experience that had to do with the Serco story, but that I had other information.
And basically what that information was was that I spent six months at an aerospace company.
I'm not a military person.
I never was in the military.
I spent six months archiving and filing artifacts, videos, films, pictures, and documents.
Having to do with the government's involvement in UFO projects, research, and that sort of stuff.
And this was in which year?
In the 1980s?
Yeah, 84, 85. Alright.
And what did your job exactly entail, and what kind of material did you find yourself holding in your hands during that time?
Well, I was pretty much a file clerk with security plans.
And I was brought items each day, and sometimes they were...
To be divided up into different branches of service.
Sometimes they were to be divided up in classifications.
Sometimes they were to be divided up as to what the content was inside them.
Most of them were sealed.
There were artifacts from crashed ships.
There were disks from crashed ships.
There were mostly pictures and documents from the US government and all branches of the government and also from aerospace companies.
What kinds of stamps these documents contain?
Classification stamps, top secret, secret eyes only, secret code word.
A lot of them were only to be opened by authorized personnel.
I mean, I worked in documentation so I knew the markings on documents and I knew what I should have been able to see in my regular line of work.
You know, things that were marked incorrectly, I had to mark also correctly.
So I was involved in that sort of stuff in my work.
A lot of them were military that were not marked with any classifications whatsoever, which to me was kind of odd, but that's the way part of them were.
They were just sealed envelopes with no markings whatsoever.
And what caught your eye the first time you came across this information that actually sort of turned your head?
Well, it is something that I had believed in for quite a long time, and to be able to actually see proof, to me, was probably one of the best things that has ever happened to me.
That's the way I felt about it.
I can really imagine this.
And since you started to come out with this information, one or two people have called you a Roswell man.
Is this just because of...
I mean, was this material just from the Roswell crash, or was it from other...
Other, let's say, interactions and time periods also?
Oh yeah, it was material for the lack of, the quest for, and gathering of knowledge to do with, doing with extraterrestrials and vehicle crashes and recoveries and equipment recoveries, that sort of stuff.
All kinds of stuff.
So in fact it was a whole cross-section of Government-alien interaction between 1947 and the United States.
Wow, okay.
Now you mentioned that you noticed there were a number of crashes and you actually told us a number.
Can you tell me what was that number of crashes that's happened over the years?
Over 50. On American soil?
American and abroad.
Do you have any idea?
Of the number of different alien species that were involved in these crashes?
No, that's not that I can't remember or can't recall, but I do remember coming across at least five different types.
And did you see photographs of these beings?
I did four different types.
Photographs of four different beings?
And could you describe them?
Well, there was...
My favorites always were the tall orange ones, which in documentation it was stated that they were the creators of what we called grays, the common gray aliens with kind of a pointed chin.
The orange ones were taller, thinner, had a more round face, but still had large eyes.
Those were the two most prevalent.
There was also another race that were...
Almost like the greys, but maybe a little bit more pale and a little bit more stocky, but the same type of size.
Almost cousins to greys, almost.
And then there was talking pictures of beings that looked just like you and I, only had light skin, sort of like Mr. Ray in here with the blue eyes and lighter hair.
Those were the ones that, from what I've been reading on the Internet, and I never read documentation of this, that offered...
To save us if we disarmed our nuclear weapons and that sort of thing.
But you never saw any documentation?
No, I did not.
Was there documentation about the purpose behind the visitors?
In other words, why they were here?
Yes, there was.
It had to do with them fearing our nuclear capabilities and both destroying ourselves and maybe other species out in space because we were getting awful close to space travel at that time.
And was this a hypothesis from the government, or was this something that you read in the documentation, something that was definitively known?
This was definitively known through contact.
Did they explain how they communicated?
Also, it was telepathic.
Telepathic?
Did they reference remote viewing, or how the humans were conducting that?
Correct.
In being to human telepathically.
Did you have any sense of how many of those beings were, let's say, active guests of the American government in such a way that communication like that was possible?
Was it just one or two?
As far as my knowledge, I think there's, in my opinion, there was way more.
Okay.
Your documentation reflected five or ten.
Looking at documents was evidence of five to ten.
Okay.
What else did these aliens reveal about themselves in this ongoing dialogue with the American government?
That we are descendants of them.
That we were actually put here on earth from their genetic material that were genetically engineered and put here and that we were one of their life creations.
That was the one major thing that I read.
They also claimed that they were the ones that were responsible for putting Jesus Christ on this earth to teach us spirituality and to get us to evolve past the greed and what the Bible calls sin.
I think it's just...
I really don't know what it is.
I just know that there's a human condition that causes us to want to preserve ourselves.
It causes greed and life survival skills and that sort of stuff.
And was that specifically mentioned in the documentation?
It was alluded to.
Say that it was specifically spelled out that way, but it was alluded to.
What was alluded to?
The teaching of humankind to evolve to a higher plane to where...
We would realize that we're all one species and we're of the same material both energy and physical and there's no need to fight wars with one another and there's no need to have currency and I mean it's that sort of earthly stuff that we kind of pride ourselves on and get our identity from because according to them they don't have that.
They don't see their bodies like we see ours.
It's not a, it's not, it's not a possession to them, it's a vehicle.
It's contained pictures.
Logical entities, ships, flying, mostly flying ships and a lot of them from far away, but some good reports and sightings from, that were labeled Apollo and some space shuttle missions too.
Photographs.
Yes, and older photographs of black and white or any older photographs from them.
Are there any particular photographs that come to mind that really stuck in your mind?
What I'd said in the other interview that I conducted was what got to me the most at first was that I saw pictures, and this was labeled Hawaii.
It was a typewriter, so they were pretty old pictures, they were black and white, of a ship entering and or going into the water and seeing no splash of a craft, a saucer-shaped craft, and all I could see on it was lights.
And it wasn't blurry at all.
It was a pretty good photograph.
From what kind of range?
Five or six hundred yards, maybe a quarter of a mile away.
Okay.
So, on an 8x10, the disc was like two inches, two and a half inches.
So it was a pretty good shot.
Okay.
Yeah, when I saw that, I'm like, wait a minute, because I'd never thought about that aspect of extraterrestrials, that they would even think to enter the water.
I wouldn't think, or...
Later on, thinking about it, it's like maybe that's where they came out of.
Well, water's just another fluid.
Yeah, it's just more gas than air.
Just going back to the aliens themselves, was there any documentation about where these guys came from?
Documentation I saw jibed with the Serpo story about Zeta Reticuli.
Zeta Reticuli.
All right.
And no mention of any other star system or source.
Okay.
And was there anything there that could be interpreted as being threatening to the human race or to individuals?
For instance, was there anything there about abductions or about complicity with any kind of control scenario over the population?
Nothing.
What about alien technology?
Was there any indication that we were getting technological...
There was documentation on receiving items but not getting any manuals, that sort of stuff.
Like here it is, look at it and check it out and this is what it does and here it is.
Okay.
Any recollection there about in what realm that technology...
I remember power source, but more communication.
What do you recall about that?
Nothing about weaponry.
We were supplied no weapons.
What do you recall about the communication devices?
Not a lot, just that there were people assigned to try to figure out how this thing works.
Not any information about what it did or how far it reached.
What did you learn about the...
At the risk of using the word in the incorrect context, the spiritual context of these aliens, did you learn anything about the way that they related to whether they had a spirit or a soul as opposed to just...
Yes, no, they definitely communicated to us that they were spiritual like we were.
So they had likened us to them.
Or them to us in whatever context.
And they talked about recycling their bodies and not their bodies.
They didn't look at their bodies as a possession.
They looked at their bodies as a transportation device to get their soul from one place to another or to house their soul.
It wasn't a sacred possession like it is here on Earth with humanity.
And it's a little bit like the driver of a car.
And then when the car got...
Yeah, with a car that...
I would liken it to a driver of a car, but everybody has exactly the same car.
And there's an endless supply of it.
So you don't have to pay for it.
You don't own it.
It's not special.
It's just there.
What would happen to these guys when their bodies died?
Did they lose their memories?
Is that right?
They didn't have death like we did.
They did not forget.
They knew before their body was going to die, and they just went ahead and...
Got a new one and everybody pretty much was gone after they left.
So, yeah.
And it continued and this was, for them, anywhere from two to four hundred years.
Two to four hundred years would be the duration of one lifetime.
That's how it was worded, according to our representatives, yes.
What about names of military or presidents at the time in the documentation?
I remember reading Truman and Eisenhower, but no other.
No other names.
I saw evidence that they did know.
I think that most presidents, if not all, from then on do know.
I don't know how much access they've had, but I think they know.
Was there anything that you read at that time, in the 1980s, that pertained to what then was in the future?
Oh, it was coming?
Yes.
Talk about them.
What was described as a mass landing in 2012, at the end of the year.
At the end of 2012?
A mass landing.
And that was a date that you read in the documentation?
And was that going to be something that the aliens were telling the Americans was going to happen, or was that something...
Well, they were telling them that it was going to happen, regardless of whether they wanted to or not.
And was there a reason why they were choosing that year?
For a long time, I just think there's a lot of civilizations that were on this planet, maybe still are, but some that were and are not anymore that knew of that date and why it was so important.
So there's a sense of an inevitable future rapidly approaching.
Yes.
This is documented.
And, I mean, right now we're not very many years away from this.
No, we're not.
How does that make you think and feel, given the experiences that you have?
I welcome it because I don't think there's any animosity towards us.
I think what's going to be more disturbing is how the government handles it and decides to handle its citizens that maybe want to know more.
Do you have any observations or thoughts about how it's being handled at the moment?
Very poorly.
Very poorly.
So, if you were in charge of a disclosure operation...
How would you do this?
If I had to start now, that's a tough job.
I think it would have been started a long time ago.
I think that I would have publicized Roswell and not pulled that newspaper article and not pulled the reports off the radio.
I would have let it continue.
I would have welcomed more qualified scientists and stuff to come in and talk about this.
Because it was observation at first until...
There was more communication until we discovered beings that recovered beings that were alive because there were several crashes that were all mutilated and dead.
And of the beings that didn't survive, there were autopsy reports?
So you actually saw some autopsy reports?
Yes, I did.
Do you remember what you read in those autopsy reports about their physiology and biology?
Well, I remember reading about their blood being chlorophyll-based and them not eating, ingesting as we do.
They don't have stomachs.
They don't have waste material like we do.
They don't have a traditional human.
They're like a cross between a plant and an animal and they gather their energy through absorbing minerals through their skin and they use light birth floral synthesis.
I'm just curious what your own personal experiences have been.
Have you ever had any, let's say, visitations since you left the job?
Be they men in black and or alien visitation.
Never ever seen a UFO in my life.
I'm waiting.
No sightings, no M.I.D.s, no nothing.
Well, I've never done any of this before, so I conjured up in the last two or three months of talking with Mr. Ryan here.
Alright, well, thank you very much for being so honest and coming forward so amazingly, forthrightly.
We hope to hear more from you.
And this is a real service, so you're a brave man, thank you.