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Oct. 8, 2024 - Project Camelot
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RYAN WOOD : MAJIC EYES ONLY CRASH RETREIVALS
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everyone. I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and very happy to be here today.
I have Ryan Wood with me, and I've known him years ago, but we've been out of touch for a number of years now, and I was very interested to hear.
Michael Stratt told me that you had a new book out, so then I thought, well...
It'd be great to have you on the show.
So lovely to have you here.
Your father, I just want to give a tribute to him.
He has passed on, but Bob Wood was kind of like your partner in the Majestic Documents, at least that website.
And he was also sort of the editor and I don't know if it was The Handler or what with William Tompkins.
So Ryan Wood comes from a legacy of, you might say, intelligence behind the scenes because Bob Wood was very read in, worked at TRW and knew a lot.
He was also Navy.
So Ryan, have you ever gone to the service of any kind?
No, no, I have never been in the service.
Yeah, as you mentioned, my dad passed away in late August, and I now am the recipient of 23 boxes of files sorting through.
He was a rocket scientist and worked at Douglas Aircraft Company and then McDonnell Douglas and then Boeing.
And I first got exposed to ufology when I was 15 years old when my dad brought Stanton Friedman home for dinner.
And so he was working on an anti-gravity project at Douglas Aircraft Company at the time.
And so You know, you're 15, you sort of go, oh, this is kind of interesting, but, you know, you just sort of yawn and move on.
You don't really have a perspective.
And then it wasn't until 1993 when one of the big majestic documents was leaked.
That my father and I reconnected in earnest, worked fairly hard on authenticating the Majestic documents and working that.
And then I met you in, I think, 2005 or 2006, when you came to one of the crash retrieval conferences in London.
Las Vegas, and I gave a presentation with your partner at the time, I think.
So, it was, those were some of the old times, but it's been at least 20 years.
Yeah, it's a long, long time, and I know that you've been heavily into this material, and so I think people are going to be very interested to hear what you have to say.
Now, what I'd like to do is, you've given some of your background.
Do you Have any other background type information about yourself or maybe to talk about why you decided to write this particular book at this time?
Sure. Well, the...
At the crash retrieval conferences in 2004, I think, somebody said, aren't you going to run out of crashes?
And I said, no, no, there's a lot of crashes.
And so I wrote the first edition of the book, Magic Eyes Only, in 2005, which had 74 crash retrieval events from around the world.
And then with David Grush's appearance before Congress and the focus on crash retrievals, it motivated me this last fall to, you know, I'm the only person who can update the book.
So I updated the book and expanded it.
So it has 104 crash retrieval events from around the world.
And I did my best to add more content and update what I could update.
As it is, I left three or four crashes on my desk that I just wanted to get the book done and out.
So that's The background about the book, my background is really, I had degrees in math and computer science and had a traditional semiconductor and computer systems experience, did some energy conservation, started my own aerospace company, ran that for, oh, it's like 12 years or so.
I didn't know about that.
Yeah, recently I'm now the CEO of Electric Fusion Systems, or EFS, Electric Fusion Systems, and we're focused on radiation-free fusion in a roller bag sort of environment.
So very different than traditional hot fusion, but the world needs super low-cost electricity, and you either get it through gravity control, fusion, or tapping the zero-point energy source somehow.
Right. Okay, well, excellent.
Nice to hear that you got into all of that.
So now let's, first of all, what I want to do is, you know, because of the Grush disclosures, you know, I don't know if you heard him in the UAP hearing actually say that he thought his disclosures of crash retrievals was the first time it ever hit the public, which couldn't be further from the truth.
And so that really sort of I've been getting into, you know, I've read Lou Elizondo's book, I'm now reading Stratton's book, and I had I've been following Elizondo and A-Tip and, you know, the Skinwalker Ranch and all of that going way back.
So, you know, if you've been following all this stuff, then you know that, you know, and I, of course, you know, Project Camelot, that we go back like 20 years and we had witnesses that were talking about crash retrievals 20 years ago.
So, you know, Getting wiped off the map suddenly is not really flattering, I guess.
But I'm trying to rectify that.
And I write articles and do shows about this.
So how did you feel when, I mean, of all people, you wrote a book.
Well, I mean, yeah, I was excited that Rush finally, you know, said, yeah, there's real crash retrievals.
And he had some credibility in testifying for a conference and so forth.
So it was a vindication.
We were 18 years ahead of time, and there was more stories earlier than that.
But, I mean, as somebody who started the UFO Crash Retrieval Conference today, That's right.
Seven years with conference proceedings and speakers like yourself and Dolan and my dad and Linda Moulton Howe and Nick Redfern and Jim Mars and all these titans of ufology now that and you know George Knapp came and gave presentations and so I feel happy that they finally admitted it but I'm sort of I've moved on,
practically. Yeah, we're way ahead of the curve at this point.
And it's a little bit, you know, in other words, yes, it's very positive on the one hand, because finally, people have stopped laughing and started listening, right?
And that's a lovely thing.
And I'm glad I'm still alive to see it.
But it's also frustrating.
When you realize that, you know, it just, in a sense, it gives us, at least it gave me a lot of fuel to want to work even harder to go back to the work that we put out back then and bring it forward so that people realize that, you know, hello, we're here and hello, we've been doing this forever.
So, yeah.
So in your case, you made a book.
Okay, so you say you've got 104 crash retrievals in there, and I guess you're totally familiar, as I am, with the, I think it's a three-volume set, UFOs in the National Security State with Richard Dolan.
So he went over not just crash retrievals, but he also went over, and I don't know how much, I don't remember like in terms of how much He spent a lot of time on sightings and detailing that.
Maybe not as much on crash retrievals back then.
But certainly Clifford Stone was one of our more famous crash retrieval guys.
And he was on the scene and he was actually a communicator.
He was telepathic with alien beings.
And so he's also passed on.
So is Bob Dean.
I mean, a lot of these greats, really greats, that preceded me and you have passed on now, and as your father as well.
Wonderful, wonderful, not only in the aerospace community, I'm sure, but also as a researcher, as a diligent author himself and investigator.
So, okay, so I'd love to get into the...
I always love the majestic document stuff, but I'm going to concentrate on your book.
So can you tell me...
Maybe some of the most, you know, Michael Stratt, you know, he's doing a lot of, he's actually documenting the crash retrievals using an illustrator, basically, to show people visuals, which I think gives kind of new life to the story.
And I've been having him on my show on and off.
He's a good friend of mine as well.
I know he's a friend of yours.
But what cases do come to mind for you that are specifically sort of, I guess you might say, red flags or very important along the way?
Yeah. Well, let me...
I mean, Magic Eyes Only is sort of...
A blend of several aspects.
One is a deep dive into the Majestic documents.
And just a sidebar on that, just people have an orientation.
There's been seven different sources for the Majestic documents, some 3,500 pages total spanning 18, 19 years.
So there's a broad swath of Of information.
And it ranges in quality and sophistication, some typeset, some original, some photocopies, some from, you know, some you can verify, some that you can't, and so forth.
And MajesticDocuments.com has a lot of that.
And a lot of the analysis and discussion is in the book Magic Eyes Only.
And then as far as crash retrievals go, which was the focus of my book, I leveraged the work of the late Leonard Stringfield, who did Crash Inner Sanctums and Situation Red and several other books.
And maybe a third of the cases in Magic Eyes are Updates or enhancements, more references, different wording for the Leonard Stringfield work.
And, you know, Michael Schradt has taken those and illustrated many of those in his book, I think Dark Files.
And then I've added more and pulled more people that came to the crash retrieval conferences and integrated them into the book.
So I'm not the primary investigator on all these cases.
Many times there's Other people, for example, Stan Gordon has written a book on the Kecksburg UFO crash.
And although I started working on the Cape Girardeau UFO crash and interviewed some of the primary witnesses, Paul Blake Smith, Did Missouri 41 or MO 41 and continued that story and wrote a whole book about that particular case.
And many other cases have large footnotes.
So you basically have anywhere from 1 to 10 pages of sort of summary material that's footnoted and referenced for the reader, along with what we call an authenticity meter.
How believable do you think it is based on the evidence?
And there's a whole algorithm for determining the authenticity of a particular case.
How many witnesses do you have?
How much investigation has been done?
Do you have original documents?
Are there any anachronisms in the case or weird things that are like impossible to fake?
And so there's all this complicated physical evidence, for example.
So there's there's weighting factors and then it's all explained in the book as a methodology to And then, you know, Roswell is still the number one case because it has the most evidence and survived the longest testing of time.
Multiple investigators, more witnesses, lots of documents.
I mean, we have allegedly the arts parts or art bells parts where we have physical evidence, too.
Linda Moulton Howe and now the team at Tim Ventura's APEC organization.
And so that's the one that stood out.
I mean, I'm the primary investigator on Cape Girardeau and a couple other more obscure cases that are in the book.
But that's sort of a long-winded answer to your question.
Okay. Now, I, or we, back in the day, interviewed, let's see, see if I can remember his name.
He's an ex-military guy, but at any rate, there's a...
There's a siding that was a crash.
It was in New Mexico area, but it wasn't Roswell.
So you know those other, there were a couple other crashes there, right?
Let's see, his name is Chuck Wade.
Did you ever interact with Chuck Wade?
Oh, yeah. Well, he came to one of our crash retrieval conferences and gave a presentation about his event, and he had This weird shoe-like thing that he found, as well as some aluminum parts that he had analyzed.
And that's written up in the book.
Okay. So that's there.
I mean, I don't remember a lot of details about Chuck's case, but I think he has a book about it.
Right. And, well, it's okay, because, you know, we did interview him, and he showed us, actually, I held some of this non-breakable material that a lot of people, I think, wanted to touch, and I've held it in my hand.
And I know that it was warm to the touch, which was interesting.
So, you know, That was sort of my exposure early on to crash retrievals.
And we went there in person to the site as well.
The name of it is escaping me because I get some of these mixed up.
But so when you say you're the primary sort of witness or whatever you're calling yourself or explorer of the Cape Girardeau, can you describe what was your process?
How did you get exposed?
Oh, yeah. Well, that's a great question.
People always want to know, well, how do you investigate a UFO crash?
What are the sources and methods they're using?
So in the Cape Girardeau case, The original kickoff was Stan Friedman who had heard about this Missouri case and the story of Reverend Huffman who was a Baptist minister.
And then there was a mention in the Majestic documents of the Missouri 41 crash And that led to the granddaughter of Reverend Huffman, Charlotte Mann.
And Charlotte Mann got the deathbed confession of her grandmother, Flo Huffman, the wife of Reverend Huffman.
But the quick story is that in the spring or fall, there's still debate in my mind of 1941, Reverend Huffman was picked up from his house on Main Street in downtown Cape Girardeau and driven about 10-15 minutes out of town in a police car to provide last rites or blessings to three identical-looking, maybe cloned aliens.
And so he did that process and the military showed up and swore everybody to secrecy and they packaged everything up and took it down the road to the Sykeston Air Force Base which in World War II was a lot of training of pilots happened as well 45 minutes or so From the site down there.
And so, from an investigation point of view, I wanted to know, well, precisely where and precisely when did it happen?
So, on the when, all we got was from Charlotte Mann that her grandmother remembered it was like sweater weather.
So you don't really know whether or not it's spring or fall.
So I went to the Cape Girardeau fire station logs and looked through 1941, 1942, all the times to determine, you know, when did the fire department get dispatched and so forth, trying to correlate when this might have occurred.
And so you look at that.
Another thing that I did was go to the church.
I went to the house where he was.
I talked to the minister.
I got some pictures of that.
I looked at some of the church records, see if there was anything there.
There wasn't.
And the next thing I was focused on was You can't pin down the when of spring or fall.
Then it's the where.
Where did it happen?
And so I went I took out old maps from 1941 and pinpointed the roads that were available and did some sample driving at, you know, elevated speeds, so to speak, to try to figure out if this was a police car at that time taking somebody.
And identified a couple of fields that were good targets.
And then I went to the National Archives and pulled up the historical aerial photography from 1939 before and 1943, I think after.
And then did comparison.
So you have these 9-inch negatives that are taken from like 10,000 feet as they're flying over for the Forestry Service.
Trying to compare and see, well, is there any disturbance in the ground?
You know, to come in at an angle, did it disturb the ground?
How could you figure that out?
One target spot had turned into a housing tract.
The other spot was still an open field.
And so I contacted Joe McMoneagle, a very famous remote viewer, And had him do some targeting on, well, where did this actually happen?
And so we had some X's on the map.
And then we flew out together and went around a couple of fields with metal detectors trying to find You know, evidence that we could, but we didn't find anything but some horseshoes and other random metal parts.
So we weren't able to identify any physical evidence.
So that's a typical sort of crash retrieval investigation where you try to follow up every lead you can I mean, we interviewed Charlotte Mann on videotape.
I did a MUFON conference proceedings, I think in 2000, 2001.
Well, did McMonagle, what did he come up with?
Was he able to tap into this to his satisfaction or no?
Yeah, I mean, he said, yeah, there was an event.
He described it.
He had some locations on the map that we tried to pinpoint.
I mean, it's all about proof.
You know, until you pull up hieroglyphic hatches out of the ground, and then you could show up before Congress and say, well, yeah, we had a forensically analyzed.
It's clearly alien theory.
It's, you know, what does this say?
So that's the sort of, I was focused.
That was what originally caused me to start the crash retrieval conferences.
My frustration with the Mutual UFO Network conferences, that they didn't focus on the things I wanted, which was hardware.
Physical evidence, quality testimony.
I was interested in lights in the sky and video analysis and abductions and things like that, but it was the nuts and bolts that I concluded that that's the only proof.
You're never going to get anywhere unless you have overwhelming proof.
What about radiation traces and that sort of thing?
That's a good question.
We did not take any Geiger counters.
Okay. But for the most part...
So was the priest, well, I guess it was the priest, he was the only witness or was there anyone else in the community that was party to it?
He was the only first-hand witness that I'm aware of.
I mean, and then he told his wife, who then told Charlotte Mann, then told us.
There was the claim that military was there.
And that the fire department was there.
And so I have names of fire department people and of military people, but they're deceased.
I have some military records of some of the military people, which you can write to the National Military Personnel Records Center in St.
Louis. And get their military records.
But, you know, all they say is, well, I'm an intelligence officer.
I'm the base intelligence officer at Sykeston Air Force Base or Sykeston Base.
But you don't know what they did until you get deeper.
So, again, what year was the actual crash?
1941. Oh, I see.
So it's quite a while ago.
Six years before Roswell.
Okay. And before the Battle of LA in 1942 where there was two more crashes but after the David Rush 1933 Italy Magenta case or the 1897 Aurora Texas case.
So those are some of the earlier ones.
So that's the sort of methodology that I went through.
Yeah, it's very painstaking.
You have to be really, you know, it's a real investigation, though.
Right. And I would say that in the book, there's loads of opportunity for further investigations.
Right. I mean, the needle in Cape Girardeau has moved up a couple of notches to the highest level, I believe.
But many, I'd say most of the cases are in the neutral position because you need to spend money Time and resources to move the needle down, like in the Ramey Baca case, in the Trinity case,
which is a book by Vallée and Paula Harris, which I believe has gone down in authenticity for a bunch of reasons, or move it up.
And it takes money.
For example, just in Cape Girardeau, okay, I think I went through it three or four times.
I hired Joe McMoneagle.
I went to the National Archives.
I probably spent $20,000, $30,000 of my own money investigating that one case.
Right. That was a fairly straightforward one.
Okay. Now, some people might wonder, like, what, when you say the needle of authenticity goes up or down, so what makes it go down, would you say?
Oh yeah, well that's a good question Cassidy, or Carrie.
It goes down when there's people are lying.
It goes down when there's no corroboration after some investigation.
It goes down when you have an elimination of evidence So, in the case of the Paul Harris Trinity case with,
I think it was Baca and Padella, the two young boys that were on horseback rungly and saw a crash and so forth, what made it go down recently was The work by Doug Johnston where he found a variety of efforts by Remy Baca to sell his story to Hollywood for $100,000 and his multiple different stories about what happened and So the inconsistencies with his story,
and if you, you know, Google Doug Johnston and Ramey Baca UFO crash.
You can find a lot of evidence as to why we moved the needle from sort of medium high to medium low.
Not that I said it was completely bogus.
I mean, it could be true, but it goes down, too, as you can't verify things.
When you look for Is this person real?
No, no, he's not real.
So anyway, that long way.
Okay. So is there any case where you actually are sort of had a lot of success, would you say, like in your investigations or discovered something completely new that other people had overlooked, anything like that? Well yeah, the write-up in Cape Girardeau did a lot of that.
And in many of the other cases that, you know, the goal of my book was to present The preponderance of the evidence.
In other words, there's all these cases, and even if just one is true, then you've got proof that there's crash retrievals and the government's been reverse engineering and lying about it all along.
So that was the motivation.
For the book is to pull in as many different cases, histories, and case leads.
So you had written the book before the UAP hearing, is that right?
Yeah, I wrote it. And they updated it?
Yep. I wrote the first edition in 2005.
It has a different cover.
It's on Amazon.
Don't buy it for $350.
You can get all the same content in the new version with more information for, you know, $29.
So that is I started it back then and it was Richard Dolan called it a classic in ufology.
That's very nice. It was.
That's awesome.
Well, in terms of I mean, do you go chronologically?
Is that how you do the book?
Yeah, exactly. I go chronologically.
I thought about doing it different ways, but yeah, it definitely started.
It started actually in this new edition at 3000 BC at Mount Ararat in Turkey.
And, you know, Nick Redfern had done a bunch of work on this particular case.
And what's fascinating about that is that The CIA did overflights with the YouTube spy plane in 57 and it did further overflights and several congressmen throughout the 70s asked, well, I want to see the photographs.
I want to see, can you declassify them?
I want to see what's going on.
Every time, and to this day, they've all been denied access to these historical photographs.
And then also there was stories or evidence to suggest that an equivalent of a Navy SEAL team came and And pulled a rusty old saucer out of the snow and took it away in the late 60s or early 70s.
And it was, you know, it's gone.
And so that's, there's a lot of CIA interest in that particular case.
And that was surprising.
And it's an interesting one in that you have a lot of congressmen wanting to know what's going on.
Okay, well, where is that one located?
Mount Ararat.
Oh, that one. Okay, but that was centuries ago, right?
Yeah, 3000 BC. So they must have found something, but they're not revealing what it was.
Is that correct? Yeah, that's the supposition.
That's the belief.
Again, it's a neutral...
You know, a 50-50 chance it could be good or bad or real.
Well, also because...
What is that? Is that Turkey?
What country is that in?
Turkey. Turkey.
Okay. So the Turkish government probably knows something and is not going to necessarily share it with the world.
Did you find...
I wondered if you found this.
Did you find that...
The U.S. was on the scene of crash retrievals worldwide every single time, picking up the remains of whatever was there, getting to it as quickly as possible, and also paying off the country so that they could cart away the stuff.
Did you find that to be true, or did you ever look at that?
Well, I believe it's a very reasonable hypothesis.
Well, there's many cases, like in the Keomi-Mexico case, where the Mexican federales were there first and had it.
And then the claim, according to the reports, is that the U.S. government came and then took the saucer and killed all the federales.
Oh, wow. So there's that sort of a case.
Then there's other cases in Bolivia, Where you have State Department official documents which say, yeah, Project Moondust, we came and recovered material there.
But you don't see any interaction with the Bolivian diplomats or the Bolivian military.
It's like Today, I believe that they're fully monitoring everything and trying to capture everything as fast as possible.
I suspect that some sort of cooperation between the U.S. government and the galactic community, and it's only the errant extraterrestrial civilization that's whipping through the galaxy and decides they run out of fuel or crash.
Here, I mean, The book ends in 2008 in the Laughlin, Nevada area with the investigation report of George Knapp, where you have an event, the military shows up and carts all away, and it's not clear whether or not it's one of ours or one of theirs.
Sure. Well, that has to be the question every time, doesn't it?
Yeah, I think that in the early days, in the, you know, the 40s and 50s and 60s, I think it was far more, they're mostly theirs.
And my passion and interest now is basically on gravity control and understanding the history of when Americans and humans cracked the code for gravity control and started making our own anti-gravity craft.
So did you ever...
You know Mark McCandlish?
Yes. And he's passed on, sadly.
Brilliant guy and amazing aerospace illustrator, I guess you'd call him.
But on top of that, you know, he had this, is Brad Sorensen the name of the guy who saw the UAP in Hangar?
At a show. Do you remember that?
I can't remember.
I think, you know, Michael...
Okay, Michael Stratton knows all about that.
But anyway, that's a really interesting story.
And it's, you know, that's not that long ago.
So you never investigated that particular because that you said you're looking for when gravity, you know, when they kind of came up.
Yeah, I'm still exploring that.
I mean, my impression of there's a whole bunch of Newspaper articles in the mid-50s and I've researched one particular company CE Lab out in Palm Springs area in 1951 who had the equivalent of six million dollars down a dirt road and eight or nine engineers working on a gravity insulator And so I'm very interested in that particular mid-50s timeframe and the formation of the RIAS Group,
the Research Institute for Advanced Studies.
You can take it in for Wikipedia.
And it was part of the Glenn L. Martin Company.
George Trimble was the lead scientist who was the Arch villain in Nick Cook's book, The Hunt for Zero Point.
Well, I've been, I think I'm like halfway through that book, and I guess I didn't get to him yet.
Oh, yeah. He's in there.
Okay. George S. Trimble Jr.
Okay. So he's the guy who set up this Rias group, and they worked pretty hard.
I mean, these are world-class people.
Theoretical physicists, mathematicians, and scientists all in Baltimore, Maryland, working hard on solving the theoretical equations for gravity control.
And I believe they fundamentally did that work and somewhere around 1960, plus or minus a year or two, figured it out and began designing craft using these principles.
Now, Michael Schratt may have it be a little earlier than that.
Well, what about the Nazis?
Don't you go into that?
No. Well, the 33 crash that David Grush talked about in Italy, Italy and Germany were aligned during the war.
And I suspect that, you know, who are the most brilliant scientists on planet Earth during World War II? Were the Germans.
And so I suspect that that craft somehow made it to the German scientists for now.
Okay. Is it Kecksburg where the Nazi bell showed up?
Well, that's what I call it. Oh, that's the same sort of acorn shape and style.
Yes, Kecksburg. So that's really fascinating.
And Clark McClelland, I think, had some very good information on that.
I think Clark passed on as well, sadly.
He was a fount of information.
I had him on my show several times years ago.
Yeah. But now, what about Ralph Ring?
Because we did a whole investigation and interviews with Ralph Ring.
Do you remember who he is?
No, I don't. Oh, all right.
Well, okay. So he was really interesting scientist.
I think Ralph is still alive.
I could be wrong. But, you know, because the last few years have been pretty tough on people in our sector, or older people that are, you know, older, like, A lot older than me.
And so Ralph was older.
And when we met him, he was older.
So, you know, anyway, he was in the 60s investigating with Otis Carr and actually building a craft at that point.
Yeah, it was in the 60s.
And we have that pretty well documented on our website, in case you haven't gone into that.
And my former partner, Bill, got a lot of drawings.
Aggregated them, I guess, from Ralph and put a very nice presentation there.
I can send you the link if you'd like.
But yeah, it's kind of a fascinating story.
Ultimately, they built a craft and they flew it.
And the way it flew was quite interesting.
You know, he put an aquamarine, Otis Carr, I guess you know Otis Carr is a very famous scientist.
So he was the primary mover and shaker of this organization that Ralph was part of.
Ralph was more like an engineer, if I understand it.
But they got into the craft, and it had an aquamarine as its sort of center.
And Otis told them that they should...
Put some soil from there.
Let's see. No. He told them when they arrived, wherever they arrived, they should take some soil and put it in their pockets, because by the time they got back, they might not realize they'd been anywhere.
As proof. So they did.
They actually, and I guess they used, you know, the mind and other things.
So it was in a sense, a bit of a time travel experiment, I would say more than anything.
But it was a craft that they built.
So they did go there.
They actually flew it here in Southern California to another hill that wasn't that far away.
They got out, followed instructions, got some soil, and put it in their pockets, and then flew back.
And landed and got out of the craft.
And then, you know, Otis said, you know, they thought they didn't go anywhere.
And then Otis says, well, let's look in your pockets.
And then sure enough, they had soil from this other place.
Now... That's the story that Ralph Wayne tells.
And then they also went down and talked to the head of general, I think it was GM, General Motors, here in Southern California.
And he basically said to them, if you put him up, we'll shoot him down.
And then the military came in, disbanded the whole experiment, and never allowed the participants to talk to each other again.
It's a very fascinating story back in the 60s.
So I'm surprised you didn't hear about it.
Well, I focus on crashes and documents and I'm actually pretty skeptical of that entire scenario because Where is it today?
If they did it once or actually flew it around, why didn't they commercialize it?
Why didn't they sell it?
Why didn't they do that? Well, again, because they were disbanded by the CIA. But you'd have to see the documentation, because there is documentation there.
He's quite an old, you know, he was on the circuit for quite a while and telling this story.
And, you know, he's an older man.
He had no reason to, you know, his wife, I think, might have still be living at this time.
Anyway, just wondered if you'd heard about it.
There's a lot of stories out there.
It's impossible to research every single one.
But I understand you're sort of more about the actual crashes.
And so it actually is really fascinating.
I mean, one of the things that fascinates me, and I don't know if you are particularly interested in this, but you said you followed the Roswell Crash, right?
Or crashes. And there's a situation in which Corso wrote the book, you know, The Day After Roswell.
And in it, he talks about being sent by, you know, by his general to go out and more or less disseminate eventually into the commercial sector some of the fines that they had.
Back in those days, in that book, I think more openly than almost anyone since then, if you will, I agree.
I mean, his claims of fiber optics and integrated surrogate and night vision goggles and so forth were some of the earliest reverse engineering claims.
And he is who said he was.
I mean, I think his story of an encounter with an alien where he's got his radar on and the alien shows up and he says, friend or foe.
And the alien says, neither.
And the alien wanted to turn off the radar so the alien ship could leave.
And Corso said, what's in it for me?
And the alien said, a better world if you can take it.
Yeah. More words to those effects.
A new world, if you can hear.
Yeah. And I thought that was kind of cool.
But, you know, of course, I was a very valuable person.
I think... In my dad's files, we have the original manuscript of that book, The Day After Roswell, before Bill Barnes butchered it and edited and changed a lot of things.
So I'm going to be studying that in some details.
Oh, that'd be great to release.
Are you at liberty to release that at some point in the future?
Sure. I mean, you know.
That'd be fascinating. Yeah.
I think. You know, I'm still getting through the 23 boxes that I have.
I mean, I think there's more, there may be more majestic documents.
So there, I mean, I did find a small vial of alleged Roswell documents You know, saucer filings or dust and some provenance discussions.
But it's going to take three, four months of working through that data.
And I'm putting a lot of it into my new tool, ufodex.com.
Which is the engine behind the AI ufologist.
And it's a compendium of now about a million pages of Wow.
Books, periodicals, journals, all the conference proceedings, all sorts of documents from the National Archives, FBI files of many people.
And if you go to ufodex.com, you can just type in your query, you know, tell me about why abductees might have Rh negative blood type or something That's great.
I think people would love to go there.
So the actual URL is, again, what is it?
ufodx.com Okay.
I'll bring that here.
I'll share that on the screen here if we can get there.
I'm putting it in the chat as well.
Okay, great. So that's another one.
And I used that tool to create this new book called The AI Ufologist, which is answering the big questions of ufology.
Yeah, there it is.
It's not quite two million pages.
That's a little marketing.
I don't have to change it.
But yeah, you can type in your email and put in your question.
And feel free to make your question robust and complex.
You know, people say, tell me about Roswell.
I mean, that's kind of boring.
You know, feel free to say...
Tell me the details of Otis Carr's gravity experiments in the 60s.
Excellent. What was the nature of his propulsion secrets, and where did he fly his craft?
And you type that in, and you'll get an answer back in a day.
Okay, so it's not immediate.
You actually sent it via email.
I'm going to make it immediate, but it's time to improve this.
This is a sophisticated tool.
It's not just ChatGPT.
It's a dedicated silo of UFO knowledge that I curated.
I mean, I'm managing the garbage in, garbage out problem.
Wow. And so that's a tool.
You can ask about abductions.
I mean, there's like three or four hundred books in there, you know.
Yeah, great. Nolan's work and my work and Mac and on and on, Jim Mars and so forth.
Excellent, yeah. It's all there.
Okay. Yeah.
And you get basically a very sophisticated answer, and we're working on returning the sources as well, where you can see XYZ book, page 37, or something like that.
But the AI Ufologist book that I created this last, I think, December or January, really came about very quickly because I asked the first question of this tool, What is the ET agenda?
And the most common people have.
And in 30 seconds it spit out 14 answers.
And I got like two-thirds of them right, but the other third I had forgotten.
And it was very helpful.
In reminding me of the richness of somebody with a complete memory of everything.
Particularly all the books and scholarly work that's done.
And then the next question, why did they abduct humans?
Why doesn't the government tell the truth?
Why do they keep it secret?
You know, how do they manage it?
Well, that's excellent.
You know, I'm glad to know about it.
And I think my audience will be very happy to test it out.
What I was wondering is whether you are aware of Courtney Brown and his remote viewers.
I've heard the name.
I have not hired Courtney Brown or his team before.
Okay, well, anyway, he has a channel called FarsightInstitute.org, I believe is the URL. And he has a team.
He used to have, I guess you might know the They're very famous remote viewers, which is Daz Smith and Dick Allgaier.
They've gone on to do their own project, which is called Future Forecasting Group.
I don't know if you follow them.
But at any rate, they left Courtney quite a while ago, maybe 10 years or more ago.
But I followed all these people's work, and I have also followed Courtney's remote viewers.
And they've been...
Doing some very advanced investigations and asking some amazing questions and following various ETs and also telepathically, according to them, getting results.
And they are following a really fascinating storyline.
So I would encourage you to try to watch a few of the episodes, if nothing else, and see how they're working.
And I find it interesting because I have learned remote viewing myself.
I don't know.
Do you remote view?
No.
Anyway, and I found that I was quite accurate in the early days, but I tend to not want to pursue that as, you know, it's the way my mind works, and I'm much more comfortable being sort of a psychic or a sensitive in that way.
So I follow a different path.
But I like to test my understanding and my answers against their stuff just to compare and continue.
For example, take one of their questions and plug it into Euphodex and we'll get an answer.
Sounds good. Yeah, and so you might think of, they're doing remote viewing, trying to get signal, and I'm doing the historical context of the data as sort of the control.
So you have It's a double-blind sort of thing where I'm the control with Euphodex and they're the...
Well, yes, and, you know, humans are fallible, but, you know, the investigations, you know, like you say, it's a compendium of all this knowledge packed from all these books over the years, and that's a very valuable resource, no doubt about it.
You know, because there's actually things sometimes that I think of that I've only got like maybe one name and I remember the name or I remember the incident or whatever it is.
And then I'm always, you know, I try to search on Google and maybe I don't have enough, you know, information.
So the idea that you have concentrated a database in that way is great, you know?
Yeah. So...
Yeah, it's a very, very useful tool and it keeps getting better and better all the time.
Okay, well, I understand that we can't keep you forever here, even though I have lots of questions, but I'm just looking in my chat really quickly to see if there's anyone that has any burning question.
You'd have to put a question mark at the end of it, and seeing if you have any questions for Ryan before we let him go.
Are there any parting remarks you'd like to make, Ryan?
Sure. Yeah, I would say that fundamentally, ufology is at a crossroads.
I mean, it has three core problems.
Credibility, Leadership, and funding.
And credibility, I've been working on actually a new book called UFOs, Who Knows?
And it's hard to see.
But that's on Amazon.
I just published it like a week ago.
Wow. It's a book of 185 books.
Famous people in all walks of life, from astronauts to scientists to clergy to congressmen to presidents to celebrities, a lot of celebrities.
So people can resonate with their own group.
And see what they had to say about UFOs and the government cover-up and so forth.
So it's a picture, a quote, and a bio.
And that's a very...
Very useful tool to hand to somebody who's sort of, you know, they don't follow it, they just are kind of introductory.
Yeah, that's a nice way to approach it.
I think that should be a handy tool.
Now, there is one question, and I think it's a good one, and the person is saying, what's a good metric for assessing the AI threat?
It's kind of a deeper question, but if you...
AI threat, good metric.
I would plug that into you, FedEx, to ask the question.
And I might expand it and say, what's a good method of...
Assessing the ET threat or the AI threat.
You know, is ET AI? Or is it a biological entity?
I mean, it's certainly smarter than humans.
From an AI perspective, I would just stay on top of the news and the work of NVIDIA and Anthropic and XAI and OpenAI and all the The dozen companies that are working on AI. And, you know, I'd say in the next five years we're going to get some sort of sentient or quasi-sentient general AI tool.
But I would embrace AI and try to use it as much as you can to better understand how things work.
And I guess I want to circle back around to, you know, funding.
And that's the fundamental thing is that In Ufology, in 1995, I wrote a paper on leadership in Ufology, and there's maybe a quarter of a million dollars spent on everything, and maybe today it's on the order of 2.5 million.
You need at least 20 or 30 million dollars to push the envelope in books, in television.
Even protecting one whistleblower might be a million dollars.
Why don't we get more whistleblowers like Rush?
Because they're going to lose their pension.
They're going to lose their livelihood.
They're going to be exposed and vulnerable.
And you need to be able to protect them.
And there's loads, I mean, just a crash retrieval alone, I would say virtually any crash retrieval in my book could easily absorb $50,000 to $100,000 worth of investigation.
And so that's what needs to happen, and it's just grossly underfunded.
Now that is the mission of the control group and MJ-12 is to prevent ufology from getting any money.
Because they want us not to be able to do this, but maybe it's part of their disclosure project and they should be giving us money.
So I don't know.
Well, one would hope that this train is headed in a direction like that.
And so I guess we're going to find out in the future.
But... I think we have to keep them honest or make them honest, you know, come to us with really good stuff.
I sort of started writing an article just last night was occurring to me because, you know, they keep changing the name like ATIP and then they go to AA. I can't even pronounce all the letters they use.
And then they change the name again to Arrow.
And, you know, every time they change the name, the project doesn't really change, but the name changes.
And what that does is throw off the researchers.
And a lot of people in general public would never follow those leaps.
And as you may know, the New York Times even made a mistake about naming a project and saying funding that was actually for the other project and said it was for ATIP. That was wrong information, but everyone gets so confused because that's the point.
They want you to be confused.
So I think keeping these people honest and also reminding them that we're out here and that we've done these amazing investigations, I think that's really important.
Michael Stratton and I both agree.
And I would assume you would agree, you know, that people like us that have been here for a long time investigating these subjects, we're a resource also, you know, but of course they don't view us that way, but nonetheless, except maybe secretly when they spy on us, but that's another matter.
Yeah, well, that's well said.
I urge all the viewers to hit the subscribe button and follow your work.
Thank you. I'm happy to come back some of the time and talk more.
That'd be awesome.
Thank you very much. Thank you so much for being here, Ryan.
I'm going to get a hold of your book.
I wasn't able to get the Kindle, so I'm very hopeful.
I'll email you that.
I'm working on fixing the Very frustrating.
So I wasn't able to read as much as I'd like to.
But anyway, thank you again.
Thank you all those years ago for inviting me and Bill to be part of your conference and sticking with your guns, because that was something we always remembered and always thank you for.
I enjoyed it immensely, too.
All right. Thank you. And thanks, everyone, for watching.
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