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May 30, 2024 - Project Camelot
01:14:43
PETER KIRBY: CHEMTRAILS, GEO ENGINEERING, NEW MANHATTAN PROJECT
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Thank you.
Thank you.
So I have Peter Kirby with me and Peter is actually he's been on my show but it's been we just were figuring it out uh four years since I had him on my show.
So it's great to have you back Peter and I'm very interested in What you've been doing all these years, and we can share with the audience your latest, you know, your latest book.
And we're going to be talking about chemtrails, geoengineering, and other things of that sort of topic.
So I do have, if I haven't lost it, I have a short bio here that I was going to Yeah, so you're a San Rafael, California researcher, writer, and activist.
You've been researching and writing about chemtrails and geoengineering since 2009.
A staff writer at activistpost.com, and that's still the case, right?
Oh yeah, me and Michael are like this.
Okay, cool.
And among others, Peter has appeared as a guest on the Colbert Report with James Colbert.
Caravan to Midnight, John B. Wells, my show, other places.
I'm not even going to go through.
Coast to Coast, etc.
It's all there.
And that will be on the page when we when we post your video.
So I'm going to let you take over from there and share kind of what you have been doing lately.
And yeah, because it's been a while.
So I'd like to know.
Yeah.
Well, it's great to be back on your show, Carrie.
I'm really impressed with what you're doing.
I could go on for a little while with all the stuff you've been through, how you've bounced back from it all.
Just recently, though, since you asked, I had a little kind of a stumbling thing.
I wrote a couple of short, short books that nobody cares about and didn't sell, but they were books that I needed to write.
So, I kind of dropped off the radar screen for, I think it was, I guess, a couple years there.
I did follow-up research after this book came out in 2020.
And continued on the chemtrails thing for maybe a year or two after that.
But then there were two books that I needed to write just for myself.
One about how did San Francisco become so screwed up?
And I call that the fall of San Francisco.
If people are familiar with me and my work, you know that I was born in San Francisco and I've lived almost my entire life in and around San Francisco, and it pains me deeply to see what's happened there.
And I didn't know what had happened, really.
I had some ideas about it, but I went back and figured out basically the entire post-war modern political history of San Francisco and how all this came to be.
And that was one of the books.
The other one was something called From Little Acorns, which was a personal—well, I guess I can say it was a personal story based on a true story.
I don't like to because It implicates people that are close to me, and it's a whole barrel of monkeys there from Little Acorns.
It was a repressed memory that I had.
Why don't we just start with that one, and we'll get into chemtrails.
I'll try to keep it short on the two books that nobody cares about and aren't selling.
Okay, but I think it's fascinating.
I just want to interject here that, you know, I grew up in the Bay Area, south of San Francisco, in Palo Alto, Cupertino area.
I was actually born in Palo Alto, at Stanford Hospital, or right there, Moffett Field.
And actually, so I have been going to San Francisco my whole life, and we made a video, actually, A partner who works in my company and I, not that long ago, maybe six months ago or so, driving through San Francisco and showing the storefronts that are all empty, even in Union Square.
He put music to it.
It's available.
I think it's on my channel.
I'm not sure which channel.
I have a little confusion there.
I'm with you on the San Francisco thing.
Totally.
I've been going there since I was a kid.
Loved San Francisco my whole life and very disappointed at what's happening over there.
I'm praying, really, that it will come back.
I don't know if that's even a possibility, but go ahead now and fill in the gaps with your two books.
Yeah, no, since we're on the San Francisco thing, you know, I'd actually really rather talk about that than the From Little Acorns thing.
If people want to look into that, I did a video on the Zublik Show as well as a video on the Sarah Westall Show.
But, you know, since we can connect on the San Francisco thing, Yeah, it pains me deeply.
I mean, there's been a few occasions in interviews where I get choked up and I gotta stop, and I'm feeling that feeling right now because, as you know, San Francisco used to be such a, you know, I kind of hesitate to say magical because it has implications, you know, and people say all magic leads to the devil and all that, but I don't know any other word to describe it.
It did way magical, yeah.
I mean it used to, I mean we know the MKUltra thing all happened there too and the Presidio.
I have Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards testimony about the the the satanic influence via the Presidio and Michael Aquino and the whole fucking Nine Yards, sorry about my French, but Nine Yards and I have things to relate about that and the city itself and how it's changed and I agree with you completely, so please go forward with that.
You're pressing all the right buttons.
This is exactly what I'm looking into now.
I continue to look into where did the hippie movement come from, you know, with the influx of LSD and all that.
You were born in Palo Alto.
That's where it all started.
Right down there in Palo Alto with The Grateful Dead and their whole scene.
Yes.
Including... I was actually young for it, you know what I'm saying?
So I didn't get involved in it directly at all.
I was too young, but I mean, it influenced us.
Yeah, and there's a video on my Rumble channel called The Grateful Dead as a Druidic Murder Cult.
And I present the evidence as to there being something extremely dark surrounding this group, the Grateful Dead.
I start off the video with this guy who says he's doing a confessional video that used to, at least used to, come up number one on Bitshooter if you just typed in Grateful Dead.
And it was this guy.
Talking about how he has personal knowledge of how all these members of the Grateful Dead are devil worshippers and sexually abuse and murder children and all this.
And he just spills it all out and he gives his name and everything.
So he's a member of the Grateful Dead family and all that.
You know, I never got into that.
Again, maybe I was too young to get into it, but I never really liked their music that much personally, just saying.
But what I did get into, you know, I was Big time into, you know, rock and roll and Jim Morrison and the Beatles and that kind of thing.
But, um, you know, more for and on a, you know, when you're a kid type of thing, superficial level, but, um, but San Francisco is, uh, extremely important to me, not only because, um, actually my family was in a museum there.
Um, part one branch of the family is actually We are original Californians, going back three generations or more.
And, you know, so my great grandfather, not my great, my grandfather actually was in the San Francisco earthquake.
You used to tell us stories about that, and now you've got me started, so I shouldn't be.
I know it's not about me, but I just have to say, and my great-grandfather played cards with Jack London in San Francisco Bay, and then we have another great-grandfather or somebody like that who was a baker in San Francisco, and my great-grandmother, you know, lived in San Francisco in one of those Houses, you know, that everyone lives in.
Victorians.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it has such a great history.
So many great people.
We had a great culture.
One of the things that I like to point to is that growing up, there were hardly any chain stores in San Francisco.
I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find one.
And my experience also was that people didn't watch TV.
They would, you know, read.
They would go out to social events, maybe go to movies and whatnot.
They weren't into sports.
The 49ers and the Giants were, like, completely on the back burner.
It was just kind of like a little novelty.
Now it's just, you know, all these things, television, sports, all the most superficial things are like paramount in people's minds, you know, and they build their whole lives around all this stuff.
It's disgusting, really.
Well, I don't know if you know who Jack Sarfati is.
He's a famous physicist.
And he lives, he's always lived in San Francisco, and I've interviewed him off the record.
He never came on my show on the record, but I met him.
We went to his house in San Francisco, and he used to hang out at North Beach, and I've also hung out at North Beach.
I love North Beach.
He probably knew my dad.
Your dad?
He probably knew my dad.
Oh, he knew your dad, yeah.
He knows all the old timers, you know, and stuff.
Yeah.
My dad opened a bar in North Beach, and he also would drink at certain bars.
My dad was from the European old school, where like, you know, their whole social life revolves around bars.
Yeah.
Well, they have great ones in San Francisco.
I mean, even now, although a lot have gone out of business, I guess you know that.
But no, it's one of my favorite places.
And I'm very sad that the Cliff House is gone, that they stopped.
Oh, it's closed?
Yeah, closed the restaurant.
That's just such a tragedy.
There's so many tragedies and memories around San Francisco, going way back, you know, and so.
Yeah.
The magic is gone.
So you wrote a book about it.
Can you tell us, like, what was your angle on your book?
How did you?
It's called the Fall of San Francisco.
I actually have a poster board for it.
I did one interview on the Fetzer Show with the poster board up.
I don't think I have a copy I can just grab right here, but it It's available on Amazon.
All right.
Yeah, well, it's kind of slipping my mind right now because since I did that, I've gone right back into the chemtrails thing.
But something that I came away with that was the most helpful to me was understanding the modern political history of San Francisco and how this political establishment that has wrecked San Francisco came to be.
And it had everything to do with this politician that I'm sure you've heard of by the name of Philip Burton and the Burton political machine.
Oh, I don't know that story.
It's kind of hidden.
Yeah, most people in from, you know, San Francisco or around San Francisco have heard of this Burton political machine.
They don't, it's not characterized as a political machine because Burton, the Burtons were also very active on a state level, and basically the Burton machine took over the entirety of California, and you can basically call the Burton machine the California Democratic Party at this point.
Right.
Because he had been operating on a state level since, I think, before he even held office.
His family was living in San Francisco, but then he attended USC, University of Southern California and made a bunch of contacts down there.
And I think before he even took office, he had already taken over the California Young Democrats.
He was the head of that.
And he became politically successful doing this identity politics thing.
He was one of the pioneers of that.
I know the roots of it go back to the Civil Rights Movement and LBJ's Civil Rights Act.
And all this type of stuff.
So he wasn't, you know, the first one to do it, but I think maybe he was the one who did it the best because he became extremely successful sort of, you know, targeting certain groups by ethnicity or gender or sexual preference and saying, like, you know, vote for me, I'm going to do stuff for you.
And he did stuff for them.
And the The ironic part of it is, I guess—I don't know if that's the right word—but when he was coming up, there were actually still some remnants of racist and sexist and those type of laws on the books.
This was the late 50s, early 60s, and so that was his political opportunity, and he seized it And gained power through that.
And he followed through on his promises and abolished a lot of these laws, like those laws should be abolished.
But once those laws and practices were abolished, he found himself with a problem.
He didn't have anything to campaign on anymore, right?
So, you know, they basically started making things up.
And just, you know, rabble-rousing and saying like, oh, you're being oppressed, like, oh, you're not free, like, oh, the system hates you and the system keeps you down.
When in actuality, there was at the time, the NAACP was doing great work in that area.
They were fighting these things through the courts, taking things as far as they needed to take it to like to the Supreme Court and whatnot and winning.
And doing it the right way and setting up a whole legal structure and a whole legal precedent whereby if you discriminate against people, then they're going to hit you in your pocketbook.
And then you're not going to do that anymore.
Or maybe even criminal penalties and this type of thing, you know, and so that that's the way that it should be done.
That's the way that that whole process evolves over time, and people don't feel like society is being torn apart in the process.
Because, you know, stuff is just done in courts and, you know, stuff that happens in courts often isn't even reported on in the press.
But we do know that there's a huge history of lawsuits that have been taken by lawyers on contingency for, you know, violations of people's civil rights.
And there's been massive payouts and all this type of stuff.
But the Democrats, Phil Burton, of course, he's a Democrat, And his little helper, Willie Brown, and it was actually his brother, Willie Brown, the former Speaker of the House and the Mayor of San Francisco, as well as Philip Burton's brother, John Burton, who to this day is the head of the San Francisco Port Commission.
Nancy Pelosi inherited the Burton seat, which was occupied at the time in 1987 by Philip Burton's wife, Salla Burton.
They yeah, there's I mean, but there's also the, you know, the more, you know, the cabal side of it, the very.
Satanic side, like I was talking about, Michael Aquino and the Presidio and what went on with that, with the whole MKUltra thing.
So all of that intervened as well during, you know, the years starting with the 60s and going further than that.
That changed the complexion of San Francisco, especially at night.
You know, in the past, San Francisco was actually a pretty safe city to walk around at any hour, and it had quite a nightlife, a lovely nightlife.
It was fun because you could walk around the streets, and it was almost like a small town in the sense that it was, even though they were kind of some big city buildings and such, there was all the sidewalks and everything, but it was, there's something about San Francisco, I don't know if you You probably remember it was very low key, very kind of laid back.
And that was just permeated everywhere.
So it wasn't like a bustling big city kind of feel.
Like I've lived in New York and I've lived in San Francisco or spent, you know, days there and whatever.
And growing up, going there constantly and things.
And I, you know, going even to concerts there.
And it just wasn't It wasn't like a big city in that sense of being intimidating, right?
It was more of like, almost like a small town.
It was funny that way.
Yeah, you used to go around the city and it had a small town feel.
And, you know, I was a little closer to it.
So every time that I would go around the city, I would see people I know all over the place.
I barely ever see anybody that I know in San Francisco anymore.
And people, they're just not happy.
They're just not willing to, you know, say hi to you.
Well, there's a high degree of paranoia now with everything that's happened, for sure.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you also followed what went on in Fisherman's Wharf, but there's a certain point at which Fisherman's Wharf became very dangerous at night, and I went there towards the tail end of when things were changing, which is about, you know, I mean, COVID didn't help, of course, as you know, and then there was just a time when you
After nine o'clock at night, you didn't want to be out in Fisherman's Wharf.
There were so many crazies on the streets.
Well, you don't want to be out anywhere in San Francisco after dark anymore.
I mean, there's a neighbor, you know, the Richmond District, what we call the Outer Richmond, you know, where the Cliff House is.
That used to be the lowest crime district in the city of San Francisco.
And now crime is perking up there.
You know, the criminals, they sort of bust out certain areas and they move on to other areas.
And the Richmond District has been one of the places that I've frequented the most, probably the most golf courses out there that I've played more than any other.
I mean, did you know, like, pelicans that were like, you know, up to my shoulder, like that big, would just walk along the street?
Did you see that?
Did you happen to see that?
Well, maybe.
I don't know.
I've seen a lot.
I've forgotten a lot of things as well.
Yeah, you know, because I used to go there when I was a kid with my mother and because of the cliff house with the seals and the otters or whatever, you know, and then the pelicans.
They were famous for that.
Anyway, I think, you know, this is great nostalgia, but at the moment, it is, you know, there is a side to it that's very satanic, and I guess always was, but it was hidden.
That guy, I need to interject here, because that guy who spilled the beans at the front of my Grateful Dead video, he said that there is like this underground satanic empire underneath Market and Van Ness, the intersection of Market and Van Ness, which is the largest intersection in San Francisco.
Those are two of the main drags, and they intersect at one point.
At that intersection was where Bill Graham's Fillmore... I forget what it was called.
It used to be called the Carousel, and then... Fillmore West, wasn't it?
Well, yeah, maybe it was called the Fillmore West.
I could get these names confused, because the Fillmore was still in operation at the time, and that's in, you know, part of the city of Geary and Fillmore.
But then... Well, there was also the Winter... Winterland was another thing, which was near the Fillmore.
That was near the Fillmore in the Western Edition as well.
Yes.
I've looked into this quite a bit, but when Bill Graham was operating his venue at Market and Van Ness, it didn't last long.
And The Grateful Dead and other bands were investors in this venture, and it was not a winning investment.
But I find it interesting that this guy says that they have extensive underground complexes there underneath Market and Van Ness, where it's all devil worship stuff going on.
And The city's biggest sex club is right near there.
It's called the Power Exchange.
Oh.
I know because I used to drive a cab, not because I went there.
Well, there's, there's a lot of stories and you know, Hitchcock shot a number of he actually made San Francisco kind of even more famous than it already was, as you may know, and, you know, with Kim Novak and, and
His see what was that Vertigo and other other other films that he filmed some films there and some a lot of filmmakers have made a wonderful movies using the the backdrop of San Francisco it was became really famous in that way and of course television series right so yeah It, yeah, it has an incredible history and I just, you know, I just really miss it.
I wish it was vibrant the way it was and it was also very famous for jazz, great jazz, like to go to any club just up and down North Beach, you could just go in a club and have great jazz.
You can still have good music even, well, Not that long ago, a few years ago.
Some cool music could be heard there, but not like it used to be.
The whole city was exploding with music, used to be.
Yeah.
There used to be lots of culture in San Francisco, but what you're looking at now is a dead city.
Yeah.
It has no more magic.
It's like it has had a spell.
I actually think it's had a satanic spell put on it.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I think they did it on purpose.
Like, you know, it was built on the Indian, the Native American Burial ground.
You know that story, right?
Well, you got to figure that, you know, Native peoples are going to live on the best plots of land.
There was teeming wildlife here.
Yeah.
Gorgeous.
Just a really beautiful central, I mean, San Francisco.
It was amazing.
And all right.
So, like, so amazing.
Anyway, the real reason we have you on the show today, I do want to get to that point.
And thank you for the No, we can talk for hours about that, being that you're from Palo Alto as well.
I've been reading extensively about how the whole hippie movement started there with Ken Kesey and the LSD experiments and the Chateau, and it just goes on and on.
Right, yes.
Okay, so I grew up there, you know, in that area, Cupertino.
I love the peninsula.
And Los Gatos.
And it's a beautiful, you know, the land is very beautiful there, that area.
All between, even San Rafael, going up to San Rafael, Sonoma.
Sonoma got quite a lot of fires, unfortunately, but it used to be beautiful wine country.
Yeah.
To college up there.
Okay, so but I'm trying to bring you back to the subject.
So can we, you know, you are a great researcher and you have researched what is known as, you call it the New Manhattan Project.
I'd like to, I think it's more like the Old Manhattan Project now because it's kind of out of date, but I did print out an article.
I guess it's your article and some information and I actually I don't know if you saw it, but I put this.
I will share the screen because I thought this was quite an interesting graphic that people may not really realize what we've got going on here and I don't know how up to date you are on it.
But if you want to say anything about this particular image that has the air defense
system and of course there's an AI component that I don't know if you've worked that into your your books and your research yet but no but I would assume yes I would assume that there is a huge AI component because this what this project has evolved into is something that is I think far beyond the capacity of humans to manage it you know what I mean
Like, this project is just an all-encompassing thing that's going on here.
I think it's typified by the fact that they're spraying these nanoparticles all over everything, and that just gets into everything.
And now, you know, the New Manhattan Project is in everything.
It is in you, it is in the ground, it is in the air, it is in the water, it is in everything that you could possibly imagine because these particles are so small that they just immediately insert themselves into whatever it is that they're going at.
You know, maybe, I don't know, I'm not a big science guy, but maybe even metal, if just like a piece of metal is just sitting there, these things might be so small that it can just like go in.
I don't know.
But even in the fashioning of metal and plastics and whatnot, these particles get in there.
So yeah, and what we're looking at here on the screen is something about the SAGE system, which was the predecessor to something that I just did an article about, an article and video about.
It was the predecessor to the MITRE Corporation's later iterations of this SAGE system.
This SAGE system eventually developed into today's air traffic control systems, otherwise known as JTIDS.
And it originally, the SAGE system originally started coming up in the post-war era.
I think it was in the early 50s when it first started being conceptualized in something called Project Charles.
This was something that was done out of MIT.
And it had some other things going on with it.
I see a picture of the Whirlwind computer down here.
It's on number six, I see, in your PDF.
And it involved the, this is like the history, you've got the whole history right here.
Did I write this?
You might have, I don't know, I grabbed it just at the last minute, so I don't know where, whether it was your article, but I just, you know, it struck me as how... This history is readily available online.
This looks to me like, I think if you search Lincoln Laboratory or something.
I saw this recently when I was putting together my article.
At first it was a secret system and they had to build these huge computers such as the Whirlwind computer.
IBM also built another one.
These are one of those computers that were the size of shipping containers or small houses.
At the time, and you know, they probably only had the computing capacity of about half of an iPhone or something, you know, but they needed gigantic computers to run this system, which involved a whole bunch of stuff.
First, because it was designed to intercept and destroy incoming enemy bombers.
Like big planes that would fly over from Russia, ostensibly coming over to drop nuclear bombs on American cities.
And they wanted an automated system that could take out that threat as soon as it could before these things could penetrate America and whatnot.
So, they would firstly need radar to detect these planes.
And they would also need missiles to shoot at the planes.
They had these missiles that were Just like missiles with wings on them, they're kind of like airplane-like missiles that they could control, they could launch them, and then either humans or the computer could guide it towards the incoming aircraft.
And it was kind of, it had a lot to do with the MIT's Lincoln Laboratory and other things, but it had everything to do with the Boston area and MIT.
But as time went on, as they were developing the system, it became kind of a snafu, a big technical snafu.
I guess they were trying to bite off more than they could chew at the time because they ran into all kinds of problems and cost overruns and stuff.
And while they were having the problems putting this thing together, the enemy's capabilities switched from airplanes to intercontinental ballistic missiles.
So, at a certain point they had to cut off the SAGE system and they decided to take the successful portions of it and the successful technologies that they had been developing and go forward with a whole new system.
And the MITRE Corporation was created in order to create this new system in 1958.
Well, right.
Now, there at some point, you know, this also gets into Star Wars, right?
So Star Wars is maybe the newer newer version.
And even now, that's that was Edward Teller, you know, going back to Reagan and everything.
So I'm sure it's interesting.
You really cover a lot about the MITRE Corporation, and I thought I had your PDF here, but I can't find it right this minute, but about that.
And so you did a lot of investigation on that corporation.
Have you looked into it recently to see that it is still operational, or do you know?
Well, I still see the planes flying above spraying us with stuff every day.
Yeah, but I meant that, you know, because you know how cover stories change and of course the, you know, certain things get old and I'm not sure because that that Mitre Corporation really goes back Many, many years, right?
Yeah, but there's only one corporation that would be even capable of doing what the MITRE Corporation has done.
They've been in this vein of technological development for so long, they've completely dominated the space.
There's not, you know, you know, I spent over 10 years researching this book, over $10,000, you know, upwards of 100 interlibrary loans, and it goes on and on.
But I've never seen any other group, be it government or corporate, that could even remotely do what the MITRE Corporation has done.
So, you know, I fully expect the MITRE Corporation to be extremely involved in today's New Manhattan Project.
I don't think there's anybody else who could even do it.
Okay, well, in that case, that has to be, I think, part of what we call Space Force now.
Space Force being the umbrella organization that Trump wrapped a lot of things into, especially things to do with um defense but also defense on the digital and you know electronic realm uh that involves i think certain kind of weaponry which would be emfs and particle beam weapons and even weapons that i don't know the name of You know what I'm saying?
And that gets into Brookhaven Lab.
Are you familiar with what it went on there with the particle accelerator and creating vortexes or or actually wormholes?
I knew I knew that they had one, you know, and it was something that fed into the development of CERN.
Right.
Pre CERN, actually.
Yeah, and there was also a lot of that the earliest work there was done over across the bay in Berkeley.
Yeah, the linear accelerator also in near Los Gatos section.
Okay.
Not Los Gatos, but Los Altos.
Yeah, they kept on building bigger and bigger ones.
Ernest O. Lawrence came up with the first ones, and as I understand it, they were about the size of a banjo.
But they soon built a big structure on the Berkeley campus that I think is still there to this day.
I think it was called the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory, if I'm not mistaken.
Los Altos.
I don't know if you know that area so well, but I grew up right around there.
And that's up on the hills, you know, where Stanford is and all that.
And then down the hill from that is Moffett Field on the flat where the 101 goes.
And that's a whole base itself.
So that definitely is part of a complex, right?
Yeah, well, I mean, Moffett Field has been implicated in this.
I forget the implication just now, but I mean, I think there's secret stuff going on in the place where you were born, Carrie.
That's right, yeah.
You might be an alien yourself.
Well, no, I was messed with in underground in Moffett Field when I was a kid.
And that's when I interviewed Norm Bergrum.
I don't know if you remember my interview with him or whether you even saw it.
But he's a special, you know, he was a scientist.
He worked underground, under Moffett Field for over 30 years or more, 40 years.
And when I interviewed him, he was going into his 90s.
He was still very thriving, brilliant.
You know, his wife had passed on.
He lived in Los Altos Hills.
We did the interview at his home and he was about to be given a new lab, supposedly, in Moffett Field again.
And then he Completely disappeared.
He went black, as they say, right?
He thought he was going to go more public.
They led him to believe that he was going to become more of a public person.
And I was like the last interview that I think he did before he disappeared.
And he's disappeared completely.
Yeah, the connections to the New Manhattan Project are coming back to me now.
There was Lytton Industries in San Carlos, which I've tied to the New Manhattan Project in the areas of the direction of remotely controlled aircraft, as well as some other things.
And I speculate, I have speculated also that there may be a command and control center at Moffett Field.
Yeah, well you know, you know that Moffett Field, you know the actual, that big hangar?
Yeah.
They said it actually was so big that it had its own weather inside.
Did you ever hear that?
No.
And UFOs would fly in and out.
It was actually made for UFOs.
It wasn't made for our planes.
Just saying.
And yeah, it's really fascinating.
You know, Anthony Sanchez, I don't know if you know who he is.
He wrote a book.
Well, he's written a few books and I interviewed him and he knew about what's called Project Leonid, which is a system of nanosatellites that are self-replicating and self-repairing.
And he was contacted by some Lockheed Martin, Lockheed Martin being right in the area, you know, all that's a military industrial, the whole area is filled with that.
And they contacted him and he was a software engineer.
And he lived in the Bay Area and worked in that area and they contacted him about this secret project for it was called Project Leonid for these nanosatellites which even now he got a death threat and so did I because I interviewed him and my interview I was told if I ever released it that he and his family would be killed.
So I never released it, but I did interview him in person on it and it's a fascinating, you know, subject.
But I also want to say that don't forget that Stanford, you know, University and SRI is right there as well, which has to do with how Pudov and Swan and the whole remote viewing thing that all germinated right there as well.
And they developed ionospheric heaters.
Right.
And probably Directed Energy.
I mean, all this stuff that we are dealing with right now in our world.
And, you know, Heart was, of course, up in Alaska, but I think there was a relationship there as well.
Yes, there was an area up in Alaska called Poker Flat that had different ionospheric heaters that were operated by different groups such as universities and whatnot.
The biggest one was something called, that has this terrible name, Chaticana, I think it's in my book.
I think it was called the Chaticana radar.
And it was this big thing, I have a picture of it, that was operated by SRI, Stanford Research Institute.
And then you can also look at, I mean, just the overall explosion of technology in that area.
I mean, there's a reason why they call it Silicon Valley.
Yeah, it's Silicon Valley.
It's the high-tech area.
And, you know, I think Through osmosis, where you grow up, you just learn stuff.
You're swimming in those waters constantly, so to speak.
And you can look to things like the growth of venture capital.
I mean, I live right down the street from Apple Computer, Steve Jobs in the early days.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, you can look to things such as the growth of venture capital.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Sand Hill Road.
And yeah, for sure.
Another thing that I want to get into.
There's been books written about the history of how all this happens.
People hear the term venture capital.
They think it sounds like something new, right?
Like, oh, that's kind of cutting edge.
It goes back to the 1930s, folks.
Yeah.
And they really control a lot of the companies that make it and those that don't.
Yeah.
And then you can look at something like the CIA's In-Q-Tel.
The CIA is having a secret part of Xerox.
I forget what it's called.
They had a secret division.
I actually brought a project to them, believe it or not.
Back in I was still in college where I had just graduated from college and I had a secret and I was living in Southern California, actually pursuing the film industry.
But I don't know.
I got this crazy idea and I tried to shop it to This secret division of Xerox, which I don't know why I can't remember the name.
There was a very famous division back in the those days.
Yeah.
Well, you just you need that whole culture, right?
I think that.
Yeah.
Most of the high-tech stuff that went into the New Manhattan Project, I think it was mostly developed in Silicon Valley, in and around Silicon Valley, as well as Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
I think those were the two hubs of technological advancements as far as the New Manhattan Project is concerned.
Well, it I mean, Norm Bergram, I don't know if you remember.
Did you ever see my interview with Norm Bergram?
I can't remember.
That name rings a bell.
But John Lear is the one who told me about Norm Berggrim, and he told us about these holograms, and this gets into 9-11, and lifelike holograms that And at one point there's a story that, I guess it was, Norm Burgram was in the area, it was right in the Palo Alto area near the 101 freeway.
And he was at, I think, a park or somewhere right near there.
And he saw a plane that was going, flying just over an overpass of 101.
And he thought it was just a real plane.
He was just watching it and all of a sudden it disappeared completely.
It was a hologram.
And that was before 9-11.
Yeah, I have stuff in my book about holograms.
Recently, I've seen some video from overseas, Japan and in the Middle East, where they do these incredibly realistic holograms.
They'll have, like, shows where it's just, like, you know, these whales, like, you know, floating around in the sky and just, you know, all these kinds of crazy things.
They have billboards in Japan that are holograms.
Well John Lear talked about being in an audience and going attending this thing where a person was talking to them on the stage everything walking down in between the seats and you know down the aisle and then everyone thought it was a real person and then all of a sudden they blinked out and it was a hologram.
Yeah, these things look completely real.
Until you've at least seen video of it, you don't know how real these things look.
I've seen a couple of videos now, and it is incredible, the technology that they have as far as holograms are concerned.
And of course, that was always supposed to be Project Bluebeam, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
The fake alien invasion.
They were going to use holograms.
Yeah, I have something about that in my book, and how the new Manhattan Project, the spraying of stuff out of planes, saturating the atmosphere, could provide a screen, basically.
Yeah.
The little particles could act as a screen for 3D holograms in a Project Bluebeam scenario.
Which does get into also another use of the chemtrails.
But recently, I don't know if you're paying attention to 107 at all and the Patriot, you know.
I do, but you know, he just talks for so long and hours and hours on end.
Well, he was asked about chemtrails and he did say the one thing that I've always known that not a lot of people seem to know about, which is that the real reason for chemtrails, whether people like them or not, is to actually maintain a dome.
That is to highlight any incoming or outgoing through portals and such craft, alien craft, and this is actually a protective dome over the United States and that he said they're not going to stop it no matter what until they get a technology that can do the same thing.
Well, I mean, I hope that he at least prefaces that information with, hey, I don't like being sprayed.
Yeah, no one does.
I mean, everyone, you know, I mean, this is also part of the nanotechnology that is part of COVID, you know, the nanographene oxide that was in all the shots.
I have a presentation I gave in my Awaken Aware Conference in England and I have these slides.
I stumbled on the slides.
They were created by someone else in 2010 and they document the progress of nanographene oxide into industry.
And all the different, the fact that it's in our food, as you were saying, when we started, right?
It's in our food, it's in our water, it's in our clothing, it's in everything.
This nanographene oxide, even before they've shot it into people directly, you know, mainlined it, I call it.
And, you know, my standard line when people start talking about things other than coal fly ash being sprayed is that, well, they're probably not going to spray that because it's expensive, such as bioweapons and whatnot.
But I think when you're talking about graphene oxide, maybe that's something that could be produced relatively inexpensively, which is scary.
Well, also because it's nano, and like I said, it's pervasive.
I mean, they have, I know, I can't remember whether we've talked about this in the past, but, you know, Clifford Carnicom, he and his team, they worked out of Arizona, I believe it was, and we were told about them many, many years ago.
And that team is one of the best teams for analyzing the particulates in chemtrails.
And so they still, I think, would have a website, Carnicom.
It was the Carnicom Institute or whatever it was.
He documents all that, right?
Going back and there's also in some cases, you know, it's not all the same everywhere they do them, right?
So it can change and the concentrations and even gold has been found in there.
Well, that could be also a constituent of coal fly ash.
There's a lot of different elements in coal fly ash.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little gold in there.
Yeah, so this is what we're talking about.
We're talking about also geoengineering, changing the air we breathe, changing, you know, and that's where you get into the whole thing where people get, you know, have all these respiratory issues, but because we're being geoengineered and the environment that we're living in is actually changing and morphing around us, Yeah, just breathing particulate matter is bad for you, just in general.
I mean, even if it was non-toxic, it would be bad for you.
But when you look at the scientific evidence that Dr. Herndon has come up with, you know, with the mass spectrometry, Showing a chemical signature of coal fly ash in the environmental samples that he's taken, like every environmental sample that he's taken, then you know we're in real trouble.
Because coal fly ash has a lot of really bad stuff in it.
So now you have your book behind you there.
Is this a recent, like did you revise it and re-release it or is this going back many years or what's happening with that?
It's the same book since 2020.
Okay.
Yeah, I did some revisions, some minor revisions of it after it first came out, mostly just correcting typos and things.
Right.
But, you know, I'm actually happy with the fact that I still feel confident four years later that if anybody reads this, they're going to be completely informed or at least feel completely informed.
Of course, there's still details left to know, much that remains secret, but Most of it, the basics of all of it has basically been made public already.
I mean, you know, tracing the whole history of it.
It's in their own words, in their own, in the government reports from the military and groups like the Rand Corporation and whatnot.
And, you know, all the patents and it's in the books that people have written and stuff.
I mean, just using their own words, you can prove this whole thing.
And that's what I've done with the book here.
Well, we've had some whistleblowers along those lines as well.
We've had like two or three, two from the Air Force, one from the EPA as far as I know.
So, do you remember Dane Wigington?
I've heard of him.
Yeah, I don't know if... I interviewed him quite a long time ago.
I haven't kept up with him, but he was also talking about, you know, the geoengineering, and he was a weatherman, if I remember correctly, and so he came at it from that angle.
There was Scott Stevens was the weatherman.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, well, I'm not sure, but I thought Dane might have been.
Dane was a scientist.
He was a professional scientist.
He used to work for Bechtel.
Do you know what's happened to Scott Stevens?
Because he was really amazing.
I haven't heard about him lately.
Dane did some videos with him.
Michael Murphy worked with him as well, and they put out some things, and he basically blew the whistle as a weatherman, letting you know that, you know, here's a guy who is an expert on the atmosphere, telling you that he knows absolutely that this is going on.
So, I was actually involved in the L.A.
fires that happened in the Calabasas area, you know, generally in that area.
There were so many fires I kind of lost track of them all just a few years ago.
Yeah, but I had to actually leave during a fire and we went north to Santa Barbara to escape the smoke until the thing was put out.
Then there were the fires in, you know, Paradise in California and all of this.
So did you track the directed energy weapons that caused those fires, things like that?
I haven't dove and dived.
Is that the word?
Dived deeply into that.
But, you know, I am fully aware of the fact that directed energy weapons were used to most probably to start those fires.
I mean, you got trees that were burned from the inside out.
You got cars whose rims melted and engines melted and stuff.
You know, a regular forest fire doesn't attain temperatures that hot to be able to do that.
But I also have written a paper about how the chemtrail spraying programs dry out the forests, dry out the trees, and they become weakened.
And then the bark beetles move in and weaken them further.
And so you basically just have gigantic trees going up like matchsticks.
In these fires, and not only that, the chemtrail spray that's on everything, that's settled on everything, can also act as an accelerant.
We have a former fire chief, I think his name is John Lord, I think he's in my book.
No, he was in the article that I wrote about how the chemtrails are the root cause of all the Wildfires, the raging wildfires in California.
And he said unequivocally that yeah, absolutely, this stuff that's being sprayed out of the planes is incendiary.
And it's, he said, I think he even equated it to thermite.
which that's yeah fascinating uh well you know Lahaina this this was the same situation over at Lahaina yeah that looks like that too yeah yeah they're just doing the same and cars melting and the whole thing right yes like Sonoma yeah if they want an area or don't want people living in a certain area for whatever reason they'll just burn you out
Yeah, so that's a program that actually has been ongoing for the last, I don't know how many years, but definitely last five years, I would say.
So I don't know what we're going to encounter this year, you know, because a lot of what we see is It happens in September, October, the Indian summer time frame.
So we're not there yet.
It galls me because it's just so obvious.
It's just so obvious that the chemtrail spring is the root cause of all this, and yet it's completely ignored in government and of course the dumb morons in the mainstream media.
Right.
You know, it's stuff that's just ruining our lives.
I mean, you know, on top of everything, on top of everything that the New Manhattan Project is doing to us and our world.
We have these wildfires that go out of control periodically.
And I mean, you know, you see these wildfires going up like they've never gone up before.
I mean, you got flames like going, you know, 100, 200 feet in the air.
And doesn't anybody stop to think, like, what has changed here?
Like, you know, why is this happening in this way when it never happened like this before?
It's just like, oh, it's just happening.
Yeah, we made it through summers for, you know, As long as I remember that we're not filled with fire.
Things don't just happen in Southern California.
I never had fires.
We never had fires down here.
But there was something else I wanted to ask you about.
Oh, that was, it wasn't Lahaina, but it was something related to that.
about just what's going on with the directed energy weapons and oh I know what it is there's a there's a syndrome that's happening right now and I don't know if you know about it but they're starting to talk about it actually um has to do with a lot of I guess you call them tornadoes or hurricanes but definitely tornadoes and they're appearing in the most bizarre places around the United States
And in droves, literally over this weekend, I was contacted by someone who lives, I guess, somewhere around the Arkansas-Missouri border or somewhere.
And they said they had 11 tornadoes all in one day in that area.
And then someone else that I was supposed to do, Jean-Claude, he lives in the Monterey All area, I think, of Canada.
And then he had a tornado and had to cancel the show on Monday.
So there's some new thing going on that's really destructive that involves the tornadoes in places where they didn't appear.
Well, I do believe that The operators of the New Manhattan Project, be they human or AI, can produce any type of weather that they want to.
Right.
It might be kind of fun to produce tornadoes, you know what I mean?
Like a little mind challenge for them or something, you know?
A little game, maybe, to destroy people's lives.
But, you know, this is what we're up against.
All these phenomenon that, to the uninitiated and people who don't think, They're going to assume, with the small mental capacity that they have, that somehow all of this is normal.
And this, of course, is presented as normal in the mainstream media.
And that's epitomized by this talking point brought at us by the establishment that chemtrails are contrails.
No, they're normal.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Well, I think it's more, I do think, you know, I think the word has gotten out over the last, say, 10, 15 years, more and more, that people realize that our skies, I mean, it's so blatantly obvious, you know, you can photograph them everywhere and they're, you know, they're crisscrossing the skies and so on and so forth.
And there was, there have been times when they've kind of died down in certain areas and then they start up again, which is very weird.
For a while they were saying they had gone invisible even and I have a syndrome that's actually happening in Southern California right now and it I wonder if you've seen it it is actually a concentration like a whirlpool of dark clouds that is very isolated like it's its own thing and it moves in over an area but it's not a hurricane it's not a Anything like that.
It's just the clouds are dark, and they sit there, and the rest of the sky can actually be clear.
You know, have you seen that?
I have not observed this, but you have?
And then all of a sudden it'll pour rain just in that area where the dark clouds are, and then it'll move on.
It's very weird.
Well, yeah, no, I have not observed that, but you hit on something that I'd like to talk about, which is I've noticed an uptick in interest in the whole chemtrails and geoengineering thing recently, and I attribute this to the bill that passed in Tennessee, I think it was a couple of months ago now.
It was signed into law By the governor of Tennessee, the mainstream media didn't report on the signing of it into law.
They reported on it when it passed either the Senate or the House.
And they said, oh, look, Tennessee, they've gone off the deep end now.
Oh, they're talking about chemtrails.
These must be the Trump supporters.
They're off on these crazy conspiracy theories.
But anyway, Tennessee passed what is basically an anti-geoengineering bill.
Yes, I'm aware of it.
And there's another state that followed suit.
Oh, there's a lot more than that.
I did a piece on it already, Carrie.
About three weeks ago, I did a video on my Rumble channel called The Abstract and an article on Activist Post called Eight States Banning Chemtrails.
Right.
Except that I just want to say because of what I know from the secret government, the secret space program, what they're going to do is they'll try to ban it but they basically will just raise the level so that the low earth orbit area that is in the that people can see from the ground
may not have the chemtrails but they will they will continue and they will also probably use some invisible stuff that they're doing lately because um like I said you know this uh this dome that is uh it's uh the it's the federal government it's the entire government of the United States and this involves the secret space program
Yeah, I mean, you're telling me about this and O'Salvin is talking about it.
That's great.
You know, if it's true, then we need to know about it.
This is the first I've heard.
The first I heard of it was in the email that you sent me, I think it was almost a week ago now.
And so, no, I have not heard 107 talking about it, but, you know, we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I don't really take anything off the table at this point.
You know, I mean, we're far down the rabbit hole now.
I mean, we got to confront these demons.
It's great that those states are highlighting this, because this is a huge You know, issue and it has contributed to what we're hearing constantly is about respiratory issues with people.
Right.
So that and 5G combined, these things work together as well, as you know, I'm sure.
Yes.
So this is what we're talking about.
We're talking about These things being detectable, they're traceable, we have whistleblower testimony on it.
We have everything we need.
We have everything we need.
I mean, when my book came out four years ago, it was an ironclad case.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And there's only been more evidence to come out since then.
I mean, there's no denying this.
It's absolutely undeniable.
At this point, the way my mind works is that anybody I see denying this program is a troll.
I mean, you know, they try, sometimes they try to, it's things I see in comment sections is what I'm talking about, you know, on my articles usually.
They come on, like, at least trying to appear halfway, as halfway reasonable, you know, like, I'm just a regular Joe.
Are you kidding me?
You're a crazy guy or something like that, you know what I mean?
And it just doesn't ring with any type of authenticity to me anymore, you know?
Right.
Well, I think that most people, I mean, granted, I don't deal a lot with what you might call normies in my line of work, you know, or even in my neighborhood.
I don't have those kind of discussions with strangers.
But there there is a level of crazy that is really, you know, definitely part of the California population that you've noticed me in denial of that.
Yeah.
You know, which also has to do with The whole wearing masks and the COVID situation.
So this is how insane it is.
And I just avoid people like that completely.
I don't want to deal with them.
They think they're going to find safety in the establishment when the establishment is doing everything it can to kill them.
These people, their heads are like granite.
You can't get through them.
Yeah, it's, you know, the next few, well, months even with the election and stuff is going to be very interesting to see what happens.
Well, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, of course, you know, it's all, yeah, we're in a very interesting time, but I don't see them gaining any traction.
I think the Democrats are, just to get into politics right now, it looks to me like the Democrats are firing blanks at this point.
They don't seem to have any answer for MAGA at this point.
That's true, but they don't, you know, in other words, if your population that you relate to is asleep, they don't need to convince them of anything because they're not listening to anything.
You know, I mean, they're not really participating.
They've already made up their mind.
Yeah, they have been programmed and they go with their programming.
So, uh, How is it down in Malibu there?
I mean, I'm in Marin County.
I don't have to tell you.
But, you know, I understand that, you know, Southern California, especially like Orange County, has a lot more, and Huntington Beach, I've heard of recently, has a lot more Republicans and conservatives.
Oh, yeah.
You know, the real bottom line is that California did vote Republican in the 2020 election.
We've probably been actually winning everything, and then they just steal it and do a big fake thing.
So it's a misconception that people have that Californians are, by and large, Democrats, because that's actually not the case.
I think there's a very strong Republican verging on it.
I mean, I have to tell you that this is also increasing because Like my sister who didn't know anything about anything like this.
She actually talked to me on the phone the other day saying she's going to vote for Trump.
And that was like amazing to hear from her like they're starting to wake up some of these people and realize that by the Biden show is a Biden show and that the guy is out of his fucking mind he's just an actually an actor but you know what I mean he's a he's just a puppet and so on so forth so I mean, I have hope, actually, for the future.
That's just my sound.
Yeah, no, I think you're 100% right with that.
There are certain areas of California that are extreme Democrat and extreme progressive, and I just happen to be in one of them.
Well, San Francisco.
But God, like I said, I think, again, it was like, I think it's been a spell.
I think an Illuminati black magic spell has been put over that area.
Because I think they wanted to drive away the tourists and drive away the business, you know, drive the city under and take it over in some really diabolical way.
And I wish more people were aware And talking about it, because.
What you know, this is a national treasure, you know, and and it's being gone by the wayside and it's just so sad.
Yeah.
So, again, I still look to the future and hope that everything will change and it will turn around.
I really do.
Yeah.
These people, they're trapped.
Yes.
Subconsciously, they know that they've been conned.
But their conscious mind won't allow that for them to vocalize that and live that.
They're trapped in this existence of basically bending over for whatever the establishment wants them to do because they've overextended themselves.
Yes.
And you know, a lot of them in this whole area, it's a lot of people really in the grand scheme of things don't deserve to live in such a beautiful area.
But the only reason that they do is because the government has catered to them such as illegal aliens.
You know what I mean?
With the sanctuaries.
San Francisco has been a sanctuary city I have in my book since 1989.
Right.
They were one of the first ones.
Always.
Well, I mean, you know, there's also the Chinese.
There's a very strong Chinese presence there in Chinatown and everything.
And I think they're still trying to stay alive, but I think it's very difficult for them as well.
You know, because if you don't have, you know, the tourism was really keeping that place alive.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and as far as I know, I mean, everyone I talked to, I mean, we actually went there, you know, to stay overnight because it was like on my way that I was going to my sister's and she lives in Sacramento and I didn't want to drive all the way.
And I love San Francisco.
So I just thought, well, hopefully we're not going to get murdered in the street.
You know what I'm saying?
But we took our chances and, you know, we were okay.
It was fine, but we were careful and we didn't go.
Like I said, we weren't out past nine at night because the place became a complete ghost town at nine at night.
Just like totally was incredible.
Yeah.
So, yeah, just so bizarre.
Well, I'm not going to keep you much longer.
Peter, is there anything that we haven't touched on that you wanted to cover?
Well, no, I think we had a nice little conversation here.
Just to finish, I guess, I want to flog my book some more.
Because as I said before the recording started, I found that you can't just throw a book out there and just expect people to buy it.
You got to keep on flogging it.
And I learned from a recent video that I did something that I basically never do.
I begged and pleaded with the audience to please buy my book.
Please inform yourself.
Please join my Rumble channel, The Abstract.
Please go to Truth Social and join and follow me on Truth Social at The Abstract.
I need your help, you know what I mean?
I need you to get this word out there.
And, you know, I put just the most work I've ever put into anything in my life into this book.
I touched on a little earlier, but it was a monumental task for one individual to do.
It took me over a decade and I was completely dedicated to it.
And, you know, we just need to be informed.
And I need people's help to be able to continue this research.
I'm going 100% into the chemtrails right now.
I've been covering other subjects recently with articles on Activist Post and videos on my Rumble channel, The Abstract.
But for the foreseeable future, I'm going forward with a new episode every week.
on my rumble channel the abstract and it's going to be about chemtrails every single time this is what people want to hear you know like i had to write those other two books and i'm still very passionate about the chemtrails thing and that's what people want to hear so i'm going forward with that so i encourage everybody to join me on truth social at the abstract join my rumble channel the Please go to Amazon and buy my book, Chemtrails Explained.
Well, we'll put all your links under the video, okay?
And my website, PeterAKirby.com.
That's what I have to say.
yeah so okay so send me your link send me the link to your book as etc and we'll get it all and the rumble channel and all of that we'll make sure it's out there and you know and then come back you know come back when you have something new you want to talk about and just let me know kerry all right let me know all right so you take care peter great to connect with you and um
It's quite a journey, but I'm really glad to see you're still batting for it, and you're just working on it.
And me, you.
Carrie, I'm really so impressed with you and how you just keep on soldiering on.
I appreciate you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, it's a labor of love for you, I imagine, too.
So it makes it easy in that regard.
Yeah, thank you.
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