KERRY CASSIDY INTERVIEWS PETE PETERSON: SKYNET & TERMINATOR
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Thank you.
And we've destroyed, you know, we talk about burning, we talk badly about all the burning of the rainforests in Brazil.
And yet most of the oxygen is produced by plankton.
In our use of nickel cadmium batteries and lead batteries and putting them out into the environment has killed a good part of the plankton.
Cetaceans are beaching themselves to make so that there's enough food left for the others.
So, Pete, we are very, very happy to be able to connect with you and you have been very generous with your time, with your energy, and I hope I have a little more energy left because I'm coming after Bill and after David, and I just have a few rapid questions that I want to run by you, and we'll see how this goes.
So, one of the leading things you said was that you were involved with robots.
That's correct.
And I'm just wondering if we could kind of drill down there a little bit and talk about what your background was and how involved you really were with robots.
Well, having Been involved with trying to build flying saucers.
You usually found flying saucers, if you look at most of the movies, there always seems to be a robot involved with it.
And so I was very interested in robots.
In the early days when I built a satellite tracking station, before there were satellites, And then tracked the Russian Sputnik when it was launched and called the government and told them the launch trajectory and the orbital and the frequency it was transmitting on.
During the McCarthy era, they thought maybe I was a communist pinko and so they came and found out that I built, actually had a satellite tracking station before there were satellites.
I was about 17 years old at the time.
So that got a lot of notoriety here in Idaho, and at that point in time in Idaho, on the eastern side of the state, there was a place that was called the Atomic Energy Commission.
A nuclear reactor test site, and it's where the first nuclear power generation was done.
And anyway, they anticipated having some nuclear problems there, and decided they need some robotic type thing that could waltz into a nuclear meltdown and pull the reactor apart.
So that they wouldn't have a China Syndrome taking place.
So, anyhow, eventually I and a few of my friends got the contract to do robots that could do that.
And I naturally had great faith in myself and said, oh sure.
And I found out a lot of things.
That was a tremendous education.
I found out that materials that were electrical conductors Inside of a heavy nuclear flux became insulators and insulators became conductors.
Really?
Very stiff metals became like toast and very brittle and broke apart or like ashes.
Materials like ashes became very hard.
Grease became like welds.
So eventually we built a couple of different types of I won't call them robots because they were truly manipulators.
They were devices that At one end looked exactly like we think of a robot looking.
It had a pair of arms that would move and grip and actually we designed them so if you could grip a beaker of flick wood you could move it very rapidly and it would tilt it accordingly and not spill it.
And you could reach around behind you or in front of you or out to the side.
And then on the bottom of it we had some that had three rolling wheels and some had little tank treads.
And so this was in the 1955, 6, 7, 8 region of time.
At that point did they have AI?
No, the term hadn't even been invented yet.
And so anyway on the other end of this device that looked at one end like a robot was a thing that a person got into.
They had a couple little small one-inch Television tubes with lenses on, and they put those on, they could see stereoscopically.
And then they had a couple of little hands that they could move their arms and hands like it, and the robot would move accordingly, or the manipulator would move accordingly.
And there could be a distance, right?
There could be any distance up to 20 or 30 miles.
But it required wires at the time.
Later we made some that worked on radio waves.
But for working with atomic materials, Radio waves could be interfered with, a number of things.
They couldn't withstand that type of lack of physical security, so all of them that we did for them had wires.
So let's fast forward to a lot more recently, or at least, maybe not even recently.
I don't know when it is you got really involved in AI and you started to do real radio waves.
Well, first I got involved in computers.
And in 1975-76 we built a computer that was used in Tokyo at the airport to announce the plane flights in a number of different languages.
It was the first use I know of a microprocessor chip in a real product.
And then later we built a computer training device to teach people how to use Microprocessors and how to use software to accomplish various tasks and we built that at a little computer company whose name was Cyberdyne.
And one of the people who worked for us later worked on Terminator, whatever it was.
Well, that was my next question.
So, I'm not sure how you want to answer this, but the movie Terminator is not so far off base, am I right?
No, it's not so far off base at all.
Once we got those working, and it's interesting to note that the computer chip we used in the 1970s There are more of those produced monthly than all the Intel chips produced in a year, even today.
Because it's a chip that was actually designed like a computer, whereas the Intel chips are not designed like computers.
And the Intel is paying a lot of royalties to various people who worked in and on various chips that evolved over the proper evolution of computer chips, what I consider to be proper.
We now have a chip that's very very tiny and has a number of computers built into it that automatically look at the task and adapt themselves.
So you may have 10, 20, 30, Computer chips working on 30 processes all at once.
In the body of one robot?
Well, in the body of one little tiny tenth of an inch square chip.
That's operating a robot?
That's operating a robot, but once we got, we figured out the right language to use and the right computer design to use, I then got involved with a number of people working on building an artificial intelligence chip Uh, that, uh, we'll call it was basically the call on it was a fuzzy logic chip.
It turns out the only logic that's not fuzzy is fuzzy logic.
And it's a chip that can look at a number of different inputs and from those make a, uh, a decision that's correct.
So you can, uh, you can be with a robot, you can be looking at bumps on the floor.
You can be looking at a doorway as compared to a wall.
You can look at somebody standing between you and the door.
You can look at the width of the door and the height of the door and decide whether it can go through it or not.
It can go over there and manipulate around the person, go through it, not trip over the cat on the floor.
You know, etc, etc.
And all using fuzzy logic.
And then we, because a chip was doing digital computing, a fuzzy logic chip It either does digitally, if it's high-speed enough, it does analog computing.
It looks at things as we see them in the real world.
The floor can be looked at digitally like it had millions and millions of little tiny bumps, or larger bumps, or it can be looked at analog-wise because it can sense the roll of the floor and move the wheels and so forth so it doesn't tip over.
But weren't the Japanese really advanced in the terms of In terms of robotics?
Well, I can tell you that when I went to the Idaho National Engineering Labs, which is what the Atomic Energy Commission became, which is one of the nation's largest research centers.
It's in eastern Idaho.
I think there are 2,200 PhDs that work there.
The whole town is built around, in fact, several towns are built around that center.
And much goes on there.
When we went there visiting with supercapacitors that I brought out of the Ukraine, I got talking to some people who found out I was the one who built the manipulators, and they said they had a large contingency of Japanese robotics experts.
This was in about 1987-88, somewhere in there.
They had a large Japanese conference over trying to sell them Manipulators and robots.
And when they saw my robots, they said, my God, we don't have anything like this.
Where in the world did these come from?
I said, hell, we've had it for 50 years.
So, turns out it was only about 43 years at that time.
So basically you were working in black projects, weren't you?
Well, one could say that.
And I just have a curious question, and we haven't gone over this ahead of time, so I don't know if you can even talk to this, but it's not diabolical or anything, but I'm curious because I used to love robots and sort of went on the net and sort of studied and was interested in how far they progressed with all of that.
And one of the biggest problems they used to have was whether when they wanted them to walk upright like humans, that they would fall over.
And how did you solve that?
Well, we did it much the same way that Dean Kamen built his two-wheeled scooter.
Are you familiar with that?
Oh, yeah.
What do they call that?
Segway.
The Segway.
And it's very simple to do.
Which is?
Well, you simply have a sensor that senses whether you're upright or not.
And if you're not upright, then you use fuzzy logic to put it back right.
Presumably, that's the kind of stuff they put in the F-117 that would have fallen out of the sky.
Yes, it would.
For example, the programming language that we use is called FORTH, F-O-R-T-H.
It should have been called F-O-U-R-T-H, because it was the fourth major programming language, but in those days computers wouldn't take five characters.
Or six characters, so they had F-O-R-T-H.
Okay, so this kind of segues into mind control, because I also know that you worked with S-R-I, and you worked with Hal Pudov, right?
And I understand you probably knew, you know, Ingo Swann and a lot of the people involved in remote viewing.
So, what I was wondering, I think you were involved in MKUltra, and you can probably talk about that because it's been declassified.
You can think about that all you want to think about it, and who knows whether it's true.
I don't know whether that's true.
I know that I worked in a lot of very interesting areas.
But you know that MKUltra is declassified.
I don't know anything about MKUltra.
I mean, I've heard about it, and heard about it, and heard about it.
I don't know anything about it.
I know some things that came out of it, And I know that I researched some of those things and I built things that I thought were better and turned them over to the government.
But other than that, I really don't know.
I actually don't know that much about it.
Okay.
And is it true that you're still on call for the government?
Well, I'm doing things all the time that I get calls on for a number of different governments, actually.
I'm actually a member of the Astronautics Association for Mankind, which is the Russian equivalent to NASA.
I'm on the Board of Directors.
So why aren't you on the Board of Directors for NASA if you're on the Russian Board of Directors?
Well, mainly because I have no desire to be with a bunch of clowns.
Okay.
If I wanted to be with clowns, I'd join a circus.
So you're really aware of the Secret Space Program, in essence, and you know that NASA is something of a front for almost destruction?
I haven't been associated with them for years, so I have no idea what they're doing.
Okay, but you said NASA's a bunch of clowns.
Why are you saying that?
Well, because all I have to do is look at the products they have.
And why are they still, I mean, I know they're going to retire the space shuttle any day, but it's basically, you know, a tin can going up in space.
Why are they even dealing with that kind of technology at this point?
Do you know?
Because they have it and it works.
They have had They've had about, maybe, it depends on how you look at reality.
They have what I consider to be about 10% of the budget that they really ought to have.
If you look at the things that came out of the space program through NASA, probably 50-60% of the technology we use today throughout all industries came out of NASA.
The metallurgy technology and alloys, Temperature resistant plastics and metals.
Integrated, large-scale integrated circuits.
You know, basically even the whole transistor technology.
I worked in, I worked in things like that.
My cousin and I did quite a number of spy satellites.
We did the sampling arm that went on the Viking lander to Mars.
Which by the way was run by a fourth programmed computer.
So I worked in and around that area.
I worked with North American Rockwell, JPL, a number of different places and got to see the things that came out of there.
I got to see brand new things that were 20 years ahead of anybody on Earth.
Actually applied and things that were made from them and they were sent into space And they recorded things from space The camera that you're shooting me on the image sensor in there was made for Basically was made for use in outer space and that's where they that's where they came from and so If you look at return on investment
There isn't a corporation ever in the history of mankind that returned so much on the investment, even 10%, that the return on investment that came out of NASA.
It literally transformed our lives into a whole new century.
I take that, which is the only success story that I think man really has, and totally mal-funded it.
Now, part of the reason was, is that they wouldn't pay the appropriate amount of money to get the brain power that they needed.
People early on worked for NASA not because they got paid good money, but because they got to accomplish their dream.
When finally Congress snuffled their dream, they quit working for NASA.
So now you had clowns working for NASA.
It should have been a circus.
Not that there weren't great people there and not that there aren't great people there, but they're totally frustrated, I'm sure.
Right.
But there's also a lot of black projects going on under the level.
I don't know that they're going on at NASA.
Really?
They may be.
I don't know.
And what about your familiarity with things like superluminal travel?
My familiarity?
Well, no, I don't know anything about superluminal travel.
Well, we have testimony from Henry Deacon and from Jake Simpson, a couple of What we call whistleblowers, which in essence is what you are at this point in your career, in a way.
Well, in a way.
Okay, you're treading a fine line.
I'm treading a fine line.
And they are testifying that we have superluminal travel, that we have craft that go outside the solar system.
Can you say anything about that?
I know nothing about it.
Okay.
You told us, or at least you talked to me at one point, about being a spy master.
Is that really true?
I don't know a thing about that.
Okay.
Well, we're kind of striking out here.
Where do you think that we can go with all of this?
Well, I've told you the things that I'm willing to talk about.
Now you're trying to get me to talk about them.
All right.
What do you know about a UFO detector?
I was asked to build a UFO detector when I was about 14, and eventually built one.
Okay.
And it's operational?
I have no idea when it's operational.
Best I know, they smashed it immediately.
Who's they?
The government.
Actually, the President of the United States at that time.
Really?
Okay.
Now, here's a problem with it.
I'd love to do something with it.
It's a very simple, inexpensive technology.
Is it based on Wilhelm Reich's technology?
No, it has nothing to do with Wilhelm Reich.
It's based on science.
The problem with it is that it works in such a manner that it will detect virtually every single type of thing in the universe.
So what that means is that it would be the best anti-collision device that ever went on board an airplane.
Because it could see every other airplane in the sky.
That's the good news.
The bad news is it can see any stealth plane just as easily as it can see a damned dirigible.
So that's why they destroyed it?
I have no idea why they destroyed it.
Well, can we surmise that that's why they destroyed it?
I have no idea.
I don't know that it was destroyed.
I'm just telling you that's my feeling.
Well, you told me they took it.
I've never seen one.
Well, I thought you... Yeah, they took it.
So what did they do with it?
I don't know if they put it in their pocket or put it in the remnants of the Smithsonian.
I don't know what happened to it.
But I've never seen one out there in operation.
I could tell if there were one in operation.
How could you tell?
Because of how it works.
Well, I mean... I'm not about to tell the secrets of it.
I understand that, but... I can't talk about it without telling the secret of it.
You would know if somebody else was operating your device?
I'd know if anybody was operating one of them.
How would you know that?
I would know that because of how it works.
Okay, would you remote view them?
No, not at all.
You have a tracking device on your invention?
It emits something that is absolutely unique to the device.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
There's another kind of detector which was destroyed upon presidential order.
I understand.
Are you able to talk about that?
Probably not.
It's probably not healthy for you guys to talk about it.
I understand that you, and I don't know if you can talk about this, but my understanding is that with robots, with any kind of device that you're operating, using AI or any other kind of, as you say, manipulator, whatever, That there's a sort of a has to be a failsafe or a command override such that you call it a gatekeeper, I believe.
No, a gatekeeper is a product that allows that to take place.
Or not to take place.
Or not to take place.
And yes, there's a... Obviously, it's like with atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs, nuclear devices and cruise missiles and Whatever, one thing you don't want is your enemy to get a hold of it and use it against you, so there must needs be some methodology to handle that.
Are you able to say that you had a hand in creating some gatekeepers?
Oh, I created gatekeepers, and whether they use it there or not, I don't have any idea.
I just know they buy a lot of gatekeepers, or bought a lot of gatekeepers.
And I know that right now we're in the process of negotiating a very large order for gatekeepers.
What I call gatekeepers and what they're going to use them for, I really can't mention.
Would you call yourself sort of, I mean, an inventor?
I mean, how would you?
I have always billed myself as an instrument maker.
Okay.
I build instruments that see things or hear things or measure things that heretofore nobody else builds.
Anybody else build something I don't ever replicate it.
I don't reinvent anybody's wheels.
I invent my own wheels.
Okay.
I want to kind of go into a different area that we haven't really addressed at the moment.
And I want to know if, you know, because obviously I realize there's a lot you're not talking about and there's some stuff that we've got off the record and all of this kind of thing, but do you feel that you're protected?
Yes.
Do you feel you're protected on an earthly level or on other levels as well?
Definitely an earthly level.
I have no idea about other levels.
However, when you say feel, as compared to know, then I will tell you that I've had a charmed life.
I can remember one time in Vietnam standing in a firefight and remember that basically only machine guns fire tracer bullets.
And every fifth round, in our machine guns at least, is a tracer.
So the machine gunner can aim his weapon because they're jiggling and bouncing so much you can't really use a sight well.
So you want to see where the bullets are going and place them where you want them.
So every fifth bullet goes out and you see a little red glow where the bullet's going.
And I was in firefights where the tracers were so thick it was like you're in the middle of a 30-foot campfire that was down to the ashes with a weed eater whipping up, whipping up sparks.
And I remember about the third time I looked up and said, you and me, Big Al, all the way.
Because I knew I was being kept alive.
There was no reason for me to be alive.
50% of the Marine, excuse me, the Marine officers I went to Vietnam with were killed while they were there.
They were there for 13 months.
I was there for, I don't know, 23 or 24 months.
But anyway... And to this day you feel that... Well, I've been in other places that were even scarier than that.
And I've done crazy things all my life to invent things fast rather than slow and take it the hard way instead of the easy way and so forth.
And somehow lived through all of it.
You know, I get the biggest kick today out of some kids spilled a little tiny bottle of mercury in a town nearby and they came and dug an Olympic swimming pool in their front yard and hauled all the dirt off and charged them thousands and thousands of dollars to get rid of the mercury.
Hell, I used to spill two or three ounces of mercury a day in my lab down, which was down a basement.
And the only thing it did was probably drop my IQ by 30 or 40 points.
But that didn't really matter.
I used to go around with a piece of lead solder hanging out of my mouth.
I must have spent 20 years with a piece of solder sticking out of the corner of my mouth getting that good lead.
And all that did was drop my IQ another 10 or 20 points.
So, yeah, I've been charmed.
Okay, have you been threatened?
Oh yeah, I've been threatened a number of times by just about every kind of person that would want to threaten me.
You can make a joke about Bastard School as well, that's a good one.
Well, that was what I was trying to get to, but... You can talk about Bastard School, that's fantastic.
A.K.A.
Terrorism School.
Can we talk about Bastard School at all?
Well, yeah.
Okay.
And what was your experience with that?
Well, I call it Bastard School.
When I was an officer in the military, it was very obvious, I was trained in military things.
And I was taught to be the biggest SOB on the block.
And I got so good at it, they finally turned around and had me do some other things, because it scared them to death.
Because I was a mean green killing machine.
And so, instead of teaching terroristic things, they had me teach anti-terroristic things.
And then they, in both cases, one, they were afraid that the enemy would learn what I was doing that was nasty.
Then they thought I would be, the enemy might learn what I was doing to disrupt being nasty.
So then they moved me on to other things.
You've dealt with mind control in some ways, in some fashions, and you know something about the mind, clearly, and about this information field.
And I'm wondering if there's something within the information field and or the mind-body interaction that can be set up to protect oneself against, let's say, mind control devices, such as the digital television that is now protecting, you know, such as the digital television that is now protecting, you know, able to communicate with people in their houses and so on and so Well, that's an assumption that we're making.
Right, I'm making that assumption, not you.
So I'm just asking, is there something, some technique?
There are things that were designed specifically.
Uh...
As an example, in the probably 80s, the Russians had a thing that was, because it sounded like a woodpecker, on the shortwave radio it was called the woodpecker, and they had three large locations that were transmitting probably several million watts per location, and they were phased in a particular area so they could move Where the peak of that electromagnetic wave would fall.
And it turns out that one of the places here they had it fall was in a town called Eugene, Oregon.
And people there were getting sunburns while they slept at night.
And they were getting headaches.
And they were having birth defects and so forth.
And the woodpecker had a very strong signal there.
And a highly interfering signal.
And It would also, it was at a psychoactive frequency so that it would disrupt the appropriate thinking capabilities of the brain.
This is all documented by the way on the net.
Oh yeah, it's all documented on the net.
And there were also, a good friend of mine was a man who discovered that they were bombarding the Moscow Embassy with microwaves That had much the same frequency content.
And so there was a fellow that designed a little device that you could wear under the collar, which was provided to all of our personnel that we needed to make sure had clear thinking.
Uh, that they could carry with them and it would send a signal, a close-by signal, remembering that electromagnetic waves decrease with the cube of the distance.
Uh, after a very short distance, uh, the signal is very, very weak.
So you put a weak signal near the person and drive their mind into a, uh, a range that, of brain waves that would be benign, uh, or even hopefully beneficial.
And they found a very simple way to Find out what was beneficial and then a very simple way to tune the device so that it would put those waves out.
And they were carried by all types of diplomats and military personnel.
So we can assume that the President and various people are using these devices to this day?
I would certainly think they would be.
I know that I carry one around.
Okay, and you're saying this person who invented it, you're saying you're not the person who invented it?
I didn't say anything about it.
But there's also a technique involved such that one can do it without the device if one learns?
Yeah, you can learn to hold your mind pretty much in whatever mode you want.
But it has to do with the informational field, is that right?
No, it doesn't.
It has to do with the electromagnetic field.
Oh, really?
Yep.
So you use your mind to affect the electromagnetic field?
No, you just use your mind To generate its own electromagnetic field at a benign frequency or even a helpful frequency.
To counteract it.
To counteract it.
I'll give you an example.
You get three or four people that are very close, or two people that are even closer, and what you'll get is heartbeat synchronization.
Which just occurs, and then you'll get brainwave synchronization.
And then unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on the situation, you get hormone production.
And hormones are very, very powerful messengers.
And then you get into trouble, or not.
It's a form of entrainment, right?
It's a form of entrainment, and you get an entrainment.
So a very weak signal Can give you great entrainment.
Nikola Tesla made a device that used compressed air and it was a little weight and he could stick that on the ground outside of a skyscraper in New York and this thing would sense ground wave oscillations and tune itself to them.
So it would start out very rapidly and slow down and then it would find where it was affecting the environment.
It would resonate with it.
It's like if you, if you have a wine glass here, and you play your violin upscale, eventually you'll find where, if you stop real quick, you'll hear the wine glass vibrating.
Then if you play that note exactly, pretty soon the wine glass will break, because just a little bit, it's like pushing a swing.
If you push a swing in phase, the swing will go way high.
If you push it out of phase, it'll stop, it won't go very high, it'll go high and then low.
Number of things.
You want to get it resonant or in phase.
So that's what Tesla's device would do.
It would move a weight up and down, up and down, up and down, using pneumatic pressure and pneumatic valving.
And he'd make skyscrapers just wag like a dog's tail.
So isn't this the actual, like, sort of the kernel behind mind control?
Is getting a very slow Resonance, setup, and then affecting it one way or another?
No.
Doesn't have much to do with mind control.
But, part of what you want to do, perhaps, with mind control is get your mind in a certain frequency.
But, that's old style mind control.
And what you want to do now, basically, if you want to look at neuro-linguistic programming, uses the principles of neuro-linguistic programming, is much more powerful.
Then getting a brainwave entrainment.
Brainwave entrainment will drop the IQ, it'll drop the attention span, it'll change the memory.
So there are a number of things that can be done there, but what we use now is a thing that changes the way the brain is attached to itself and the way the brain hooks together.
We just change the neural pathways.
You can cause a person to forget, you can cause a person to do things that they have no intention of doing.
You can make a stimulus that would cause one thing, like a stimulus that would cause me to reach out and grab some water and take a drink because I was thirsty.
You can very quickly and easily change that stimulus to when I get thirsty I'll reach out and grab a glass of water and pour it down my throat, or my neck.
Pour it down the front of my suit.
So what about the idea that you were telling us about the piece of the heart, you could cut off a piece of the heart and it would actually give it to somebody who would recognize, a doctor, who would recognize it as a part of the brain or have resonance.
It would appear to be brain tissue.
And this is like a medical fact, right?
It's a medical fact.
And there's a very good book that anyone who has a child that doesn't read this book should be jailed.
I'm serious.
It's called The Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pierce, P.E.
A.R.C.E.
and he has follow-up books on it.
For example, The Magical Child Matures tells you why that no Center City fatherless child is ever going to amount to anything, ever.
They can't because their brain doesn't form properly.
Really?
Yep.
A fatherless child?
Well, or motherless.
A child that's raised outside of a normal family environment.
Let's put it that way.
That's much more accurate.
And it'll tell you why that can't happen.
Why they can't really become useful to society.
Well, is this the thing you were telling us about the heart?
Being close to the heart?
Part of it.
That's part of it.
That's just part of it.
There are a number of different factors.
But one of the things that Pierce writes about in The Magical Child is
for example that during the first 16 days or so after the amniotic fluid breaks the child is exposed to electromagnetic field from the mother's heart beating and that field is modulated by what's in the brain cells in the heart which are the emotions and those emotions are transferred to the child so they thought well that may be true so they went to Europe where a lot of women have their children
Raised by wet nurses who nurse them on their breast and they find out that the child takes on the emotional content of the wet nurse.
Or children who are raised without a father never get the male emotions from the father.
As compared to the female emotions.
It happens in the first 16 days, after that it's not so.
The greater part of it happens in the first 16 to 18 days.
Incredible.
And it turns out, for example, the Russians did brilliant and massive research on this, found out that if the child is born underwater in a fluid, remember the child's already in a fluid, it isn't going to hurt him to be underwater for a while.
The child is born underwater in a fluid about body temperature and moved up with contact with the mother to the breast where if you look at how you would naturally hold your arms and nurture a child, the heart of the mother and the heart of the child are going to be right next to each other.
The child starts picking things up.
If the child is kept in that position for the first 12 to 14 hours, The child usually develops speech by six months of age and is able to stand on their own at six months of age.
Can you talk about that Russian doctor?
Unfortunately, I could if I remember his name.
I can't remember his name.
He was brought to the United States and I can tell you that his techniques were used by Madonna in having her children.
But we're talking about generating an IQ of as high as 275.
Right.
I can tell you that her children are some of the most brilliant children on the face of the earth because of that.
I know that she worked for using those techniques for a year to a year and a half before they were conceived just to become ready.
And that could well be privileged information but it leaked out to me.
So you're saying that the heart has an information field component which somehow entrains the formation... No, I'm not saying anything about information field.
I'm saying the heart has an electromagnetic component that is there because the heart beats and it takes a large electrical current to beat the heart.
The body is bioelectric.
Anything near a magnetic field or an electric field that's conductive then has components that come from the things around it that are electric or magnetic or conductive.
So you can see that stuff in the heart field.
The information, not information in the field, the information transfers to the, just like programming a ROM chip, transfers to the heart of the child.
And as an example, one of the final proofs of this is Uh, there was a man who absolutely hated the odor, the sight, and the taste of mustard and got a heart transplant and all of a sudden couldn't get enough mustard.
And just by happenstance, the, the, the, uh, wife of the donor, uh, somehow got word to him that her husband loved mustard.
And so he had the heart.
That, that came along with it.
A number of people were in essence SOBs or were very tense individuals and they got a heart from a man who was a very calm man and all of a sudden their wife and their children didn't even know who they were.
They were a completely different person.
That information was encoded in there and when the nerves were sewn together and some of them grew back That information got out of the heart and it may well be that the magnetic field of the heart transmitted and the brain picked it up.
I don't know that.
But I know that we instrumented people's hearts
And and Would let them see things that would excite them the heart rate picks up adrenaline is produced Maybe it may be what they see anger causes anger or fear and if you anesthetize that part of the heart Then they have no They don't have those fears and those angers and so forth so they that emotional information is
And some things like preferences in flavor or color, you know, are transferred and transmitted in there.
So it's very important to get the child up into a nurturing position.
Children who were nurtured by both mother and father have both male and female components.
Children nurtured by one or the other have only the one component of their emotional makeup.
And it's the first 16 days that does it?
Well, read the book.
The greater part of it occurs in the first 16 to 18 days.
And yes, maybe that's 30%.
Maybe another 10% occurs in the next 50 days.
Maybe another 10% in the next 180 days.
Okay, but very early on.
Very early on.
You want to get that in there very early on.
Okay, I want to go in another direction.
Is there any other tissue in the body besides the heart that acts like neurological tissue?
Oh, absolutely.
Now, if you want, you can call the pineal part of the brain, even though it doesn't do brain function.
It's part of the brain.
The pineal and pituitary are mostly melanin.
A substance called melanin.
Melanin, a type of melanin, makes the skin pigment.
But they're a different, slightly different kind of melanin.
And I've, in my research, have found that the melanin in the pineal, which in Eastern medicine is the third eye, the seed of the third eye, is very, very, very good at picking up informational signals
Adding a time content to them thus subtracting a non time content and so it is It's always been attributed to Clairvoyance clear audience and so forth those are signals that are taken out of a signal that appears to be everywhere every when it coheres that for the person and
And they have certain abilities that they wouldn't have.
The Tibetans drill a hole in the front of the forehead with a little rock drill, and then they poke a bamboo skewer in and manipulate the pineal to quote-unquote open the third eye.
And what it does is it gives it a hole through the Faraday cage, speaking in science terms, And it makes a sensitivity by making a piece of scar tissue that opens up or opens the third eye or opens clairvoyance or clairaudience.
Remote viewing, or remote influencing, or a number of different things.
Isn't it true that fluoride deadens or hardens the pineal gland?
Absolutely.
And isn't, since we have fluoride in our water, isn't there sort of a, basically you could look at that as an Illuminati plot to deaden the intelligence and the psychic ability of the population?
What I try to do as a scientist to state as scientific things, I don't presume about what the Illuminati want to do.
Okay.
But I can tell you that the main thing that halides, which are chlorine, fluorine, bromine, mainly what they do in the body is congeal cholesterol into arterial plaque.
So... I mean, that's well known.
It slows down the arteries?
Yes, it closes down the arteries.
So, there are many ways to sterilize water other than chlorine and fluorine.
There are many ways, for example, we say well we use chlorine for tooth decay.
You have a whole fleet of boats up and down the west coast of the United States and the east coast of the United States that can't fish anymore because we've killed all the fish.
Except there are bottom feeders called, I won't tell you the name of the fish, but there are bottom feeders that is a fish that consists of 60% of the weight of the fish is liver and about 60% of the liver is that particular fish liver oil.
Which contains a compound called Activator X by Price, the Price Pottinger Foundation of years ago fame.
And he found out right after World War II that one drop of that, well you can take that fish oil, which is highly fishy tasting, get it cold, the waxes and false isomers will solidify, you can filter those out, and the oil left over is It has very little or no taste to it, and that oil you can put in the sunlight and it won't turn rancid for hundreds of years.
It should have been used in place of whale, sperm whale oil for lubricating watches, but they didn't use it for that.
Is this cod liver oil?
No, it's not cod liver oil.
It's a different oil, but those Boats could go out and bring back boatloads of this fish.
It grows from Antarctica to Arctica and everywhere in between.
What does that have to do with fluoride in the water?
What it has to do with is that that oil, one drop put in a slice of bread eaten daily and you have no caries whatsoever.
There's no tooth decay.
It eliminates tooth decay.
And they did this on thousands and hundreds of thousands of children in Europe after World War II.
And likewise it doesn't, you can guard against hardening of the arteries?
Well, then you don't get the hardening of the arteries from the fluoride or the chloride.
Now, what happened was, and this is, you know, I'll take the hit for this.
Let's put it that way.
It's my conjecture that the only reason we use chloride in the water was because the politicians have already spent all of the Social Security money.
So you've got to have something there so that people die at retirement age.
Then because of health care getting better we had to have something else that made it happen even faster So we put fluoride in the water Wow Because they could have gotten rid of tooth decay with an absolutely benign substance That we had a whole industry here that could go out and bring us back all we could ever use for the whole world very inexpensively and totally Non-negatively in the body But we didn't do that.
Now, the reason that that fish oil doesn't turn rancid is obviously because it's an antioxidant.
It's the best antioxidant known to man, as far as I know.
Price called it Activator X. It has a definite chemical formula.
It could definitely be put out there.
But it'd eliminate most of heart surgery.
It would eliminate tooth decay.
So it's not put out there, because that isn't efficient in our system, in our capitalistic system.
Well, you're talking worldwide, though, as well, right?
Yeah, it'd be worldwide.
I mean, like I say, we did it in Europe after World War II for, for years.
So we took that activator, X, by the way, was taken, taken, there's a small amount of it in wheat germ oil.
So that was taken from wheat germ oil.
Now we found the rat, I found, the rat fish had this stuff in, you know, massive amounts.
When you said Price, you mean Dr. Weston Price?
Weston Price, yeah.
And so, it's my conjecture, I mean the only reason I could see that we would be using that is to kill people off.
Why else would you do that?
You're saying about the pineal gland, because I have a whole long section in my video that everybody's seen, most of this audience has seen it, all about the pineal gland.
So you're saying that this oil, if taken, Would it help to decalcify the pineal gland or somehow increase its sensitivity?
If the pineal gland is calcified by halides, yes it would.
Okay.
But you're not naming the fish other than the... I wasn't really naming the fish.
...the ratfish that you just talked about.
No.
And that's not the... Not the main source.
No, that's what it's called in certain areas of the world.
Okay, well, okay, but I was curious.
You said something about You know there's camps being built around the United States.
Do you know the purpose behind them?
Yes, they're camps to detain people.
And is this something that goes on the tail end?
Because I'm looking for the agenda that goes behind the crash of the dollar, that basically you're saying is coming at some point in the near future, quite possibly, right?
I think that's a great possibility.
I'm planning for it.
On top of it, there are camps being built, and you can verify that?
Well, they're giving tours of some of them, and you go on the internet, and you'll find out that there are a number of locations where people say, well, here's a camp that's built.
Okay, and what about the role of viruses in eliminating the population?
Is there any validity to that?
I have no idea.
It's not my area of expertise.
I have suppositions.
Well, you clearly are a healer, so have you gotten advice on how people can protect themselves from viruses?
Well, I think all that advice is available if you just download it from the FDA websites or the various websites of, say, FEMA and Homeland Security.
Really?
Oh, absolutely.
Wear a mask.
Wash your hands.
They're absolutely correct.
Okay.
Another good thing to do is go to some place there's not a lot of people.
And we're sitting here filming in an area that there's not a lot of people.
The town says, entering the town on one side of the sign and on the other side of the signpost it says entering the town and First Street's in some great big city somewhere else because there's not another street.
Okay, well, so what is it that you think is coming in the future in terms of, let's talk about outer space a little bit.
Do you think that there's anything out there that we need to be aware of?
Well, I think there's all kinds of things out there we need to be aware of.
Okay.
I mean, is the only threat, in other words... Well, it's a major threat that we, right now, don't have any deterrent for.
What threat?
A threat from outside the planetary bounds.
Well, what about the satellites that have recently been classified such that they won't tell us about incoming bodies?
That's all classified suddenly.
Well, that I don't know about.
I didn't realize that had been done.
But if it's been done, it's obviously been done for some reason.
And that reason may be to stop panic.
I know the government has a tremendous belief in whatever you do, don't cause panic in the people.
Because when you cause panic in the people, then it draws attention to the lawmakers, the Senate, the Congress and the presidency and the ruling party.
And they, they're not looking, you know, it's, it's like the old Chinese curse.
May you live in interesting times.
You know, try to live in times that have no, they're not at all interesting.
They're boring as hell.
Nothing's going to happen.
So I think that anything that might happen that would cause people to start thinking about, well, why isn't something being done here?
We're out of money.
We've been out of money for years.
And so we don't have money to go do anything about it.
So why let the people worry?
Okay, but you were telling me something about the fact that you think there's really only 10 months left for The sort of, the rollout of what could be, like, reversing the agenda.
I mean, I don't even know if you believe it's possible to reverse the agenda that's being rolled out at the moment.
Well, I know that we live... It's been about ten months, because of the earth, we've polluted our own... Okay, here's a... Here are just a few things that you can look up, and the things I talk about are things that are openly available on the Internet.
Library of Congress, or A lot of things now on YouTube, a lot of things on Ask.com and Google.com and so forth.
You can go in there and start making searches and looking and you can find a lot of information.
There's a tremendous amount of information.
About?
About the things that you just spoke about and specifically You can find out that, oh, it's about a couple weeks ago, we just had a very near flyby of a huge asteroid that would have caused thousands, if not millions, depending on where it hit, thousands or millions of deaths on the Earth if it had hit the Earth.
And it was a near flyby.
Now, maybe that nearness was 100,000 miles, but 100,000 miles is sure different than the distance between here and Mars, or here and Pluto.
It came by very close.
It could have been one of those things that hit the Earth.
And we have nothing to stop something like that.
Okay, you're saying we have nothing to stop something.
Is it possible black people and black projects have something to stop that?
No, I don't believe so.
Okay.
And what about... If they did, I don't believe they've had the money to build it.
And what about positive aliens?
Do you think that they might interfere with something of that nature?
Well, if there are such things as positive aliens, I think that...
You know, I wonder, I look at Earth and I look at the things we've done to destroy this fragile little spaceship that we live on going through the space.
And we've destroyed, you know, we talk about burning, we talk badly about all the burning of the rainforests in Brazil.
And yet most of the oxygen is produced by plankton.
And our use of nickel cadmium batteries and lead batteries and putting them out into the environment has killed a good part of the plankton.
Cetaceans are beaching themselves to make so that there's enough food left for the others.
Because they're that wise?
Well, I think that they are, and of course you had to have worked with them and some of the military programs to understand how wise they are.
Okay, well, I'm going to have to wind this up.
I would love to talk to you all night and all day, and especially if you were able to come out with some of the more fascinating things that you're involved in.
But Project Camelot wants to thank you very much.
I want to thank you for your service to humanity.
You've clearly been involved in some things that are healing for the population out there.
You're here trying to testify to something coming that you firmly believe that people need to be aware of.
And so I want to thank you.
I appreciate your interest.
Absolutely.
Get information out to the people and my suggestion to the people is because this stuff is not really hidden it may be squirreled away somewhere but it's there and you can go out and find the information for yourself.
My suggestion is you do it.
My suggestion is that you prepare yourself for an emergency because no matter what you do in life you're going to run into an emergency.
And if you prepare yourself for it then You stand a very good chance of surviving it, and if you don't prepare yourself for it, you stand a very good chance of not surviving it.
Okay, thank you.
And Pete Peterson, I really want to thank you again.
Bill, you want to say any closing words yourself?
I think this is the most important interview we've ever done.
Okay, and David, you got anything you want to add to that?
Well Pete, I just want to say I appreciate your courage for inviting us out here.
I think that the Well, I think that we'll probably continue a relationship for a long time.
And I'm perfectly willing to share that information.
I'm at a point in my life that the only thing I can do now to make my life worthwhile is to share the wisdom that I've obtained as a stone rolling through this Interesting experience of life on Earth.
Been involved with trying to build flying saucers.