All right, and I have, I've got her bio somewhere over here and I've also put her on the front page of Project Camelot with her bio So you can watch this there if you don't get the link on Telegram.
Just briefly, I'm going to read a bit of your bio here.
You have quite a substantial resume, and I don't even think this is all of it.
So this is from your website, and it says you are an MD, a graduate of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.
In 1970, you believed passionately in the right of Americans to choose their own health paths, and you practiced drug-free natural medicine for over 40 years, seeking underlying Causes of every illness, ailment, and treating the root cause.
And you believe in using nutrients and natural options to find, define, and treat problems which underlie degenerative chronic diseases, poor aging, and supporting the immune system and crucial systems.
And you've enjoyed some remarkable success with a wide assortment of cataclysmic problems.
And it goes on from there and people are going to be able to read this under the YouTube and also on my website already.
So Rima, it'd be great to hear your, you're covering your own bio.
So can you augment that?
And you have a fascinating past and I'm sure currently what you're doing is also fascinating.
And I have seen you being interviewed by Dick Allgaier.
Over at Future Forecasting Group.
And anyone who hasn't been over there should take a look.
Wonderful interviews that he did with you.
I think there was a two-parter, if I remember.
So, we can touch on some of those topics, if you like, or, you know, we can go in different directions.
And your husband, who has been, I think, passed away seven years ago, according to your bio.
He was murdered.
He was murdered.
It's a little bit different.
For sure.
Okay.
For the work.
And I want to say specifically, Carrie, murdered specifically because this work is so important.
They don't want it to happen.
And so it's incredibly important for all of us to continue doing what we're doing.
Yes, absolutely.
And I apologize.
I could have said... No, that's all right.
Yeah.
Major Stubble... Stubble Bean?
Stubblebine?
Major General Stubblebine.
Also generally known as General Bert.
Okay.
And, you know, I knew about you guys a long, long time ago.
You know, I've been doing this now for close to 20 years.
And I had heard about you in various places, some good, some questionable.
And I also heard about the Stargate program that he was very involved in.
And so we can touch on that if you're interested in doing so.
And so why don't you introduce yourself, give a little background, talk about... I love the story where you met your husband, where you finally met at the airport.
I think it was an airport.
So you're welcome to go over that.
Thank you.
I should say, by the way, I've practiced drug-free medicine and psychiatry.
For now, it's 54 years.
I guess I have to update that part of my website.
I was doing health freedom things and practicing drug-free medicine and psychiatry, and I had a circle of interesting, active folks in my life, and a number of them were saying, you have to meet General Stubblebine.
You have to work together.
And I said, being an anti-war activist, and very certain that I was correct about what I was saying, oh no, I don't want to meet somebody who is a career military person.
And who has created remote viewing, because although I had no security clearances of any kind, I knew that the people in the Soviet Union had used torture, electroshock, intimidation, and chemicals, and so on, quite horrible methods to create psychic warriors and remote viewing kinds of capacity.
And I thought, well, we wouldn't be any different.
We would do the same thing.
And I don't want to meet somebody who's been involved with that kind of nefarious evil.
I just assumed I knew what I was talking about.
And eventually, I wound up in the San Francisco airport on my way to a facility called the Mind Center run by Foster Gamble, who went on to create Thrive.
I do a lot of very good things.
And at that time, I didn't know Foster.
He was just the guy who owned the facility.
And I was on my way to take an advanced neuro biofeedback week-long seminar.
And there I was in the San Francisco airport with my two suitcases.
I was only going to be there for a week, but of course I didn't know what I was going to wear, so I had two suitcases.
And you know how that goes, I'm sure.
And I saw a guy come into the luggage area as far away as it was possible to be from me.
I left my two suitcases, which of course you're not supposed to do.
I went running across the airport and I leaped into his arms.
And he, being a well-bred sort of person, didn't let me go splat on the terrazzo.
He caught me.
He kissed me.
He sat me down.
He kissed me again.
We kissed each other, you understand, enthusiastically.
And then we introduced ourselves.
This was kind of like Rashomon in the airport.
And He told me his name, and I was utterly horrified, because I knew for certain that I hated this guy, and I told him my name, and it rang no bells for him.
But in fact, he was there to go to the same... Hello?
Okay, something has interrupted the Zoom here.
Are you there?
Meeting, let's see whether he wanted to be the CEO.
In our first, of course, we spent that afternoon, evening, night talking all night.
And I think I just froze for you.
Did you lose me?
The internet is very, very unstable.
OK, yes, just a bit.
But I think we caught you.
So you met with him at the conference and spent your time with him.
Correct?
Well, it got better after that.
So, there we are at the first morning of the conference, and they explain this is neurobiofeedback, and we're going to put the sensors on your scalp and your ear, and here's how it's done, and you're going to have a two-hour session.
And I went into my little cubby, and he went into his little cubby, and there were about 10 other people there too, as I recall.
And suddenly, I found myself in his mind and body.
And of course, I wanted to know his essence.
I didn't want to know military secrets or national secrets, although he knew them, of course, although he was retired at that point.
But I wanted to know the essence of this man at the soul level.
And I encountered that.
And then I realized having accomplished that mission that I was inside a male body.
Usually the pronouns go the other way.
And I thought, well, this is interesting.
I wonder if it works the way I learned in medical school.
And I started sort of playing with things.
And he was aware that I was there.
In fact, he thought I was directly in front of him doing this and that.
And after a while, I went back to my mind and body.
And I thought, oh my God, I've just had my first psychotic episode.
That's upsetting.
At which point, he came into my mind and body, and he was not looking for soul lessons.
He thought, well, that's fun.
You can do that.
I can do that, too.
So, we had quite an encounter, and then he left, and I thought, was that the second part of my first psychotic episode, or was that a second psychotic episode?
In any event, I'm never telling anybody because not being a... Okay, I think the words California and I'm not sure which end the slowdown's happening.
Are you there?
There, we're being interrupted.
I'm a California psychiatrist.
So I had an incredible smile on his face, big grin.
And he said, wasn't that neat?
And I thought, oh, dear God, it was real.
And he said, of course it was real.
And we told the neuroscientist, Dr. James Hart, who was running the technical part of the program, and he said, well, let's look at the data.
And there we found that they were using eight-track paper polygraphs, four tracks per So, he and I, of course, wound up on the same eight-track paper polygraph, and we had our jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, EEG, and then I achieved synchrony and coherence, which is the sine waves, and pulled him into my synchrony and coherence, jiggled off a little while, and he said, I can do that.
And he pulled me into his.
And there, I still have that paper trail somewhere.
And thereafter, we never needed the instrumentation.
We were linked at that level.
So that was the start of a truly, truly extraordinary relationship.
And that relationship continues because Since his murder, he has remained very active, and about two years after his death, he asked that the first two years of his transmissions be published, and they have been, along with a number of other The first one, I said, well, what do you want your book called, sweetheart?
And he said, The General Speaks, colon, intimate conversations with the dead.
And that and the other transmissions are quite extraordinary.
Which has nothing to do directly with health freedom, but does indirectly.
Okay, so when you were, let's say, you saw him across the airport, right?
I was just curious what was going through your mind, or was anything, or was this just instinctual?
There was no rational thought, and I can assure you that I have never, for or since, done anything quite that impetuous or precipitous.
However, what was there, rather than conscious thought and reasoning, was a sense of incredibly deep recognition.
And I knew him and he knew me, truly at the soul level.
And there's a good deal about what that means in, in his transmissions.
There's also a good deal of advanced quantum physics.
And since I'm not a quantum physicist, we have acquired a quantum physicist member of the team to get the downloads, the physics downloads directly, because I don't take them down accurately.
I don't have the vocabulary, the mathematics, etc.
So, the physicist does that part of it.
Okay, now, in terms of, just for the audience sake, so what you are saying is that after he passed, you actually got in contact with him.
Did you get some help in the early stages of that, or did it just happen to you naturally, or was there some, you know, striking, because, you know, I completely concur that you can communicate with people who have passed and so on.
And so I'm just, how did it happen for you?
I was sitting, I had taken a room, an Airbnb room, where I was staying to be near him in the hospital.
He was, it was a lengthy and horrible process and I kept interfering with the attempt to kill him and then they'd do something else.
So I was staying nearby and They finally got him.
And I was sitting in the room weeping when the phone rang.
Now, the phone, we were living in Chile.
And a friend that we had been staying with in New Jersey when all of this bad stuff took place had said to me, here, here's a cell phone mic.
My company has extra cell phones.
I said, I don't need a cell phone in the US.
She said, everybody needs a cell phone.
So I had a cell phone that didn't have my name attached to it.
And that's important.
So the cell phone rang.
And a woman said, is this Reema.
And I said, yes.
She said, I have a message from the General.
This was a woman I had never heard of, had never spoken with, no communication with her.
I said, how did you get my number?
And she said, I asked Spirit for it.
Spirit gave it to me.
So Spirit runs an information service, which is handy to know.
And I said, okay.
Well, actually, I said, okay, because I was weeping copiously.
And she said what she said, and it was clearly from Bert, and it was clearly very personal and very intimate.
No one could have known The particular specifics of the message.
Now, of course, I spoke to her daily.
And over time, what happened is something called overlay, which I actually learned about from Bert, which is that unconsciously, one's own expectations, anticipations, presumptions begin to color or may, in fact, always color The Psychically Gathered Information, and so it became more and more about her fantasy, what a general is, what a general means, and so on, and less and less about Bert.
So I started looking for other people who could be better channels.
This happened, he was killed on his birthday, February 6th, and by April, I was enormously frustrated because I simply couldn't find anybody who could be an uncontaminated conduit.
So after spending a lot of money for 120 hours of Babble, I was furious, but I take verbatim notes.
I've always done that in my professional and educational life.
So I was sitting at the computer taking verbatim notes for this 120 minutes of garbage that I had paid a lot of money for.
I was furious and I slammed my hands down on the keys and I said, and I quote, God damn it, I will do it myself.
Speak to me, Bert.
At which point Bert obligingly started speaking to me.
And as I typed, I also typed, I got to be making this shit up.
I got to be making.
And so I've been very skeptical and looked for irrefutable corroboration.
Which Bert has been very kind to provide with things that have been photographed and perceived by others and so on.
Very nice.
He calls me his hard-headed mystic.
So it's quite a tale.
And in some ways it's wonderful.
It's also harder because grieving ordinarily allows a wound to scab over.
But there's no closure because he's very present, but he's not very present physically.
And so it's quite a psychological adventure, but I would not trade it in any way for not having him.
So, in terms of your life up to the moment when you kind of collided with him in the airport, would you say that you had, because you said, you know, he was somebody that you didn't think you would like and so on and so forth.
So, did you have any premonitions of any kind prior to that experience?
I knew I was married to the wrong man.
I was with and married to somebody for 27 years.
I had a child and an ostensibly absolutely perfect life and a career and so forth and so on.
But I knew at some deep level that I was married to the wrong person.
And it was troublesome.
So, I also had said continually, I want a co-general to march shoulder to shoulder into the future with.
I thought I was speaking metaphorically.
And I said, when Bert and I collided, I said to the universe, no, no, no, it was a figure of speech and the universe said, ha ha.
Yeah, very much.
Oh, that's wonderful.
So, in terms of your kind of career path, When you got involved with him, you know, he was, like I said, a general.
He had been, I think, the head of the Stargate program.
He created that, but that was only part of what he was doing.
He retired seven years before we met as the head of Army Intelligence and Security, and he created the remote viewing, the Stargate program, because he had increased intel needs and he had decreased resources.
So, it was a matter of solving a problem.
He's a very practical visionary, if you can imagine such a thing.
Yes, I think I can.
So, when you encountered him and you were involved and you had this sort of psychic connection right away, right, at this conference, And did you, in other words, did you have some understanding of his background with regard to remote viewing?
Did that, in other words, did that affect the way he reacted to you as well, do you think?
No, not really.
I had actually met Ingo Swann before I met Bert.
Ingo Swann, the guy who created the protocol to train viewers to do the remote viewing with the monitor and the viewer and so on.
I had known Ingo and I thought he was a gifted lunatic, which is true, he was, and a psychic and an artist and a this and a that.
And I knew about remote viewing, and I knew that Bert had created it for Army Intelligence purposes, and as I said, I assumed that it was done hideously, which it was not.
I had all these prejudices that got in my way.
He had no prejudices whatsoever.
He thought I was, you know, just whatever he thought I was.
And we simply collided at the soul level and at the heart level.
And he was a man, still is, who could accept ambiguity and peculiarity Completely openly, because he lived and lives now, even though he doesn't have a body to live with.
Borrows mine as needed.
He lived in the third eye, and his intuition was as present as his sense of taste or smell or touch.
So did he, in this book that I guess he dictated and you wrote for him or whatever, you said there was a lot of information about sort of the soul level and so on and so forth.
Did he communicate in that book his experience, like you're telling the story from your end at this moment, that same story did he tell it from his end?
Not particularly.
I mean, he refers to our connection and the nature and meaning and implications thereof.
And both of us believed before he was murdered and still believe that we were given to each other to accomplish a mission.
And we were given the mission, each of us about six months before we met each other, before we had any idea that we would meet.
Uh, in meditation, each of us.
Okay.
And the mission was very simple, heal the world.
Now it's a big world and it's a complicated world.
It's not quite clear what that means.
And we spent the first decade of our relationship Actively asking, what exactly does that mean?
How do you heal the world?
And there's a great deal of discussion in that and in the subsequent books that have been dictated the same way about what that means and how that's accomplished and what the cosmology and the epistemology.
Okay.
We're being paused here.
I guess the internet connection is unstable.
Okay, so we had a pause.
Sorry, you froze.
I lost you.
Yes.
So you started to explain about the epistemology of, that was the last word I heard, of what, you know, the story that he has put into his books of what has happened and what the mission is all about.
When Bert was on active duty, he created not only the Stargate program, but he also created a peak performance program because he wanted to enhance the performance of the people under his command worldwide.
That included the neurobiofeedback science that eventually became the clinical tool called EEG or neurobiofeedback, and we met at an EEG biofeedback facility.
Well, we realized during that rather cataclysmic week That we spent our first week together, we realized that that was the medicine of the future.
In addition to nutrition and detoxification and intravenous nutrition and so on, other frequency tools, we realized that neuro biofeedback, since consciousness is mediated through the brain and the brain controls everything, including healing in the body.
So, We said, okay, we'll use the capacity of the brain to mediate reality in a neuro-biofeedback component inserted into the rest of my drug-free medical and psychiatric practice.
And we started to do that.
Bert, by the way, was an astounding hands-on healer, and I had to get him to stop healing people so they could learn to heal themselves.
That was an interesting discussion.
Anyhow.
We were using neurobiofeedback, and we were having miracles.
85% of the time, things that could absolutely not be cured, lethal situations, incurable damage, etc., were getting totally well.
The other 15% of the time, people were getting better, but not having miraculous Amazing cures, literally overnight, with huge emotional releases, cathartic releases, spiritual awakenings, and bam, whatever it was, was gone.
Well, that's not how medicine tends to work in the West.
And so I said, well, I know how to put the electrodes on, and I know how to set the settings, But I don't know why this is happening.
And what about the other 15%?
I'm not greedy for money or fame or anything of that sort, Carrie, but I am greedy for knowledge.
And I wanted to know how to heal the other 15%, the same way these 85% were having miraculous recoveries.
And so we knew that the data was inside the EEG recordings.
But her business wasn't a statistician.
I'm not a statistician.
I didn't know how to extract the meaning from the EEJ at that level.
I can read an EEJ, but that's not the same thing.
So, we had a friend who was one of the world's leading toxicologists.
Toxicologists do statistics all the time.
And so, I called him up in France.
His name was Professor Michel Bouniasque.
I said, Michel, there's a ticket waiting for you at Charles de Gaulle Airport.
We'd like you to come to the United States for two weeks, dive into the data, and figure it out for us.
And he said, And he arrived.
And I was wrong.
It didn't take two weeks.
It took 11 years, during which time a number of things happened, Carrie.
One was that he switched from being one of the world's leading toxicologists to being one of the world's leading mathematical physicists.
And created an entire mathematics to describe consciousness.
It was both descriptive and predictive.
And by the way, a whole lot of Nobel Prize winners got involved in it and they sponsored a UNESCO meeting in Budapest on our work, which they called, they chose the name, The future of the universe and everything in it.
So they thought it was pretty significant.
And this was an official UNESCO meeting.
Anyhow, the model that Michel Bunyas evolved very quickly is the following.
When you have a fractal figure, all information is resident at every point in the fractal.
That's the nature of a Mandelbrot fractal.
If it's a complicated enough fractal, it stops being a two-dimensional figure, a line, and heaps up.
I don't know what this means, Carrie.
I know mathematics, the mathematics is said to be this.
I can't tell you what it means.
It heaps up and becomes dimensional.
So it might be 2.74586 dimensions or 9.3845 dimensions, whatever that means.
Now, you have a fractal plane instead of a fractal line.
If two of those planes intersect, then the information is resident in both of them, everywhere in both of them.
If you have an infinite number of planes intersecting, all of the information is present everywhere.
You could call that the Akashic Records if you wanted to.
And there is a series, an infinite series of bifurcations There's only one of you, and you're making choices, bifurcation choices, at every moment.
Now, those bifurcations are chosen largely through intentionality.
That's kind of interesting.
So, you have the opportunity to be in any Where?
Any when?
That's what remote viewing is predicated upon.
And you also have the opportunity to be in any what, based on proper manipulation and mastery of your intentionality.
Well, that's interesting, and that gets you very quickly into the nature of time as well, something Bert has talked extensively about in this.
Okay, so we have the model And we knew that intentionality could literally take people into a different reality, one in which they were totally healed.
This is not just a matter of faith healing.
This is a matter, it's much deeper than that.
Okay, so we were working with that.
The mission was given to us to heal the world.
What does that mean?
And we realized through Michelle's work that And through what Bert has brought to it since his death, that intentionality has a metric, which is why religions and political movements and tyrannies, political movements of a particular sort, use propaganda to create mass intentionality, because that changes reality.
Interesting.
Not totally distinct from what spiritual teachers have been saying for a long time.
Thought is reality, etc., etc.
Okay, so how do you heal the world?
You do it through intentionality.
Your intentionality has to be clear, clean, precise, and then there's a whole lot of detail beyond that.
Meanwhile, we have a globalist Intentionality, beautifully financed, brilliantly articulated, planned over at least 140 years, starting with the predatory philanthropy of the Rockefellers, the geneticists, eugenics monsters with infinite amounts of money.
We have this predatory intentionality To destroy humanity from the DNA out and to destroy every human institution, the family, finance, property, the ability to love, destroying children by predatory sexuality, using everything that was learned in MKUltra, which, by the way, Bert was never involved with.
I actually knew more about MKUltra than he did.
Because the information was compartmentalized in his world, and it wasn't part of what he did.
So all of the calumny about Burt having run MKUltra, that's nonsense.
Anyway, that's a side comment.
Anyway, the point is that if we are
To avoid being destroyed by the globalist predatory class, if you will, let's call them the Schwabians, the evil Schwabians and their ilk, the Tedroses and the Guterres and so on.
If we are to avoid being sucked into their Agenda 2030 matrix, And being destroyed at every level.
And by the way, they have an official policy that they have 500 novel vaccines.
That they will compel every man, woman, and child on the planet, except themselves, to take.
And if you think about what one family of vaccines has done, and we know that at least 20 million people have already been killed in the present ongoing genocide.
At least 20 million.
Possibly, if you take Jim Thorpe's estimates seriously, which I think are reasonable, we're talking about Half a billion people through fertility destruction and so on.
This is the most successful genocide humanity has ever engaged in and we're right in the middle of it right now.
That's only a good start as far as the globalists go.
And so how do we stop this?
How do we protect ourselves?
How do we protect humanity from being so degraded and so minimized that the only humans that are left, other than the neo-aristocrats, of course, the great ones, the only humans who are left are degraded Internet of Things Component surfs, which is not a good future for humanity.
Well, the way we do it is by getting each and every country on the planet out of the globalist death machine, also known as the UN.
Now, a lot of people are saying, Carrie, oh, we have to get out of WHO.
And up until about six months ago, I was one of those people.
We have to get out of WHO.
We have to get out of the international health regulations.
And I'm proud to say that I've had an active part in creating the worldwide dialogue about how important it is to get out of WHO, but I was wrong.
That's not enough.
Because the death machine has a backup plan.
And the backup plan is called the Pact for the Future.
Pact for the Future is due to be signed into global reality on September 24th of this year.
As bad as the World Health Organization is, as bad as One Health is, as bad as the international health regulations, basically a business plan for destroying the world, Actually is the pact for the future is significantly worse because the pact and anyone can read it.
It's on the internet.
You can go read it the pact for the future says listen.
There's always going to be an emergency, right?
There's always going to be an economic emergency or a climate emergency, which of course is, you know, total nonsense.
There's always, we need more carbon dioxide, not less.
And of course, we're the carbon that they want to get rid of.
There's always going to be something happening, and it could be a war.
It could be a chemical release.
Whatever it is, it's always going to be something.
So why don't we just declare?
I kid you not, Carrie.
This is actually what it says.
Why don't we just declare a permanent state of emergency?
And the way we deal with a permanent state of emergency is we run everything.
Because we're saving everybody, of course, and so we will take over everything and we'll have a council of former heads of state.
Put on your seat belt if you're not familiar with this, folks, because you're going to fall off your chair and I don't want you to hurt your head.
Put on a crash helmet, too.
We will have a council of statesmen, people who have already been heads of state.
The subtext of that is people who have already been trained in the Young Leaders program by Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum, with which The United Nations has two separate public-private agreements, but it's really private-private because the United Nations is nothing but a club of thugs.
It isn't a nation.
It isn't an official anything.
It's a club, a private club.
And interestingly, when the United States entered the United Nations, It didn't create a treaty obligation, which is defined by the Constitution of the United States.
The Congress of the United States ratified the Charter of the United Nations and directed the President to sign the Charter.
What does that mean?
Legally, according to Larry Becraft, who's one of the most significant attorneys in the United States, the Dean of the Patriot Lawyers, if you will, it doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't.
You don't.
Okay, stand by people.
We've got another glitch going on here.
As far as the President of the United States, Harry Truman, did you, did I freeze?
Yeah, you froze.
So if you could back up a tiny bit.
Yeah, this is sort of important.
Tell me where you lost me and I'll go back.
Well, you were talking about this lawyer and the definition, I guess, getting the President to sign this deal, this pact.
The Congress of the United States directed the, in a joint signing, in a joint signing station, statement, yeah, the President was directed to sign the Charter of the United Nations.
If you read the Constitution, it doesn't say a treaty is created by signing a charter.
Signing a charter is Kind of like giving somebody an autograph outside the stage door after you've performed, kind of?
I was Harry Truman.
Okay, Harry Truman.
And the reservation in it, as directed by the Congress of the United States, was, but of course, we don't have to do anything that contradicts the Constitution of the United States.
No, indeed, we don't have to do anything that does.
The same thing is true when he When the Congress ratified the Charter of the World Health Organization and the President signed the Charter of the World Health Organization.
See, what happened was, this is bonkers.
Do you understand?
This is a circularity of nonsense.
This is smoke, mirrors, and bullshit.
That's all we got here.
And so this globalist club Came into effect, whatever that means, when five countries ratified the Charter.
So one of the countries was the United States.
We ratified the Charter, and then suddenly the Charter being ratified meant that they existed in a kind of magical mystery tour through the world of illegal nonsense.
And now we're Considered by most people to be in a treaty relationship with the United Nations, which we're not.
It's a private club.
We pay money to the private club that we helped establish, and that's it.
So, how do you get out of these clubs?
Real simple.
Even if it were a treaty, according to the Vienna Treaty on Treaties of 1969, which states the international law of how this works, if two parties, two countries sign a treaty, And we didn't sign a treaty.
We ratified a charter.
What?
Anyway, let's assume that we're talking about a treaty.
Two countries sign a treaty.
Country A and Country B agree to change the laws of Country A and Country B to match the legal conditions of the treaty.
That's what a treaty is.
If country A materially changes the condition on which the treaty was signed, then treaty B can walk away from the treaty under usual and customary international law with no penalty, no obligation remaining, because what they signed up for isn't what the condition is now.
Okay, so even assuming that we have a treaty with the United Nations or with the World Health Organization, which we don't, we only ratify their charter, whatever that is.
Assuming we had a treaty, what that treaty wasn't about was taking over the entire country.
Taking away all property rights.
Taking away parental rights.
Damaging and sexualizing every child on the planet.
Forcing universal abortion rights up to and including the exit of the child from the birth canal no matter how fully through the pregnancy that is.
In other words, infanticide.
Forcing that on the medical system.
Forcing 500 novel vaccines plus all the current vaccines onto every human being.
These terms and conditions are so egregious and bizarre and out of proportion with Peacekeeping.
The UN.
And the UN is actually not a peacekeeping organization.
When you read the Charter, it's a war organization.
Or health advisory capacity, which is all the WHO was ever articulated to be.
Subtext.
When the Rockefellers cooked this deal up, for World Subjugation and Eugenics Control, and I'm sure that your listeners know a great deal about that.
I'm quite sure that you've been talking about that and covering that for quite a while.
Back when that was all getting cooked up and the uber-wealthy were being drawn into this circle of master controllers, these plans were laid for what would become The World Health Organization, which was a Rockefeller creation, to do exactly what it's doing now.
And for the global governance, which they thought was going to work as the League of Nations, which the United States never ratified itself into, by the way.
And then became the United Nations.
This is all Rockefeller country predatory philanthropy for eugenics and world domination.
And these organizations were scripted to do exactly what they've done to get to the position that they're in now, but not on paper.
And not officially, and not publicly.
And therefore, this Treaty A Treaty or Country A, Country B Treaty thing, they have changed materially what they're about.
And therefore, even if it were a treaty, every country in the world could get out.
Now, how does that happen?
The sock puppet in charge, who sits in the chair labeled Head of State, Or, in the Commonwealth countries, the Governor General serving for the Queen, or King now, writes a letter.
That's it!
Writes a letter, signs their name, and says, we're not in your club anymore.
Allegedly, they're supposed to pay that year's dues.
Some countries have done that.
Well, Indonesia did that.
Indonesia did that.
And a year later, there was a coup, and they were back in.
But we know that that's how it works.
And in fact, the Congressional Research Service did a study when people were asking, how do we get out?
They did a study, which I've published or reproduced, that says, you know, it takes us a letter from the head of state.
That's the easy part.
The hard part is generating the political will To actually do that.
But right now, right now, in front of the Congress of the United States, we have something that's almost like a miracle.
I don't know how it got there.
Ron Paul, for a long time, was introducing bills in the House saying, we've got to get out of the United Nations.
Nobody paid any attention to him.
Representative Massey would introduce a bill now and again.
Other people would introduce a bill and it never went anywhere.
But right now, in front of both the Senate and the House, there are two bills which collectively are called the Disengaging Entirely from the United Nations Debacle Act.
It's H.R.
6645 and S.
3428.
Those two bills say very simply, we get out of the U.N., we get out of all its component organizations, public, private, and otherwise, out.
No more involvement.
Now, that's going to take A lot of people picking up their Freedom Mouse and going to PreventGenocide2030.org.
I'll say that again.
PreventGenocide2030.org.
And on the home page, scrolling down just a little, you get to a button.
You click.
You get a form.
You put in your name, your address.
Congress requires your phone number.
Then you click on that and you get to a letter that you can send to the representative people that you've presumably sent to Congress to help you.
There you go.
Scroll down for US action.
Right.
You can phone, phone call, leave them a message.
There we go.
If you, if you go back up there.
Right.
Go back up a little bit.
Okay.
There we are.
Those are the bills.
And when you go back down to that rectangular button.
When we are click here to support this, what happens is you send your representatives.
And your Congress, your senators a letter that says.
I want you to co-sponsor this bill, and I want you to make sure it passes.
Now, the truth of the matter is, it has to pass with a super majority, so that when the sock puppet in charge, whether it's Biden or Harris, doesn't make any difference, when the sock puppet allegedly in charge vetoes it, It can be passed over the veto, and that will take us out of the United Nations, W.H.O., et cetera, because just getting out of W.H.O.
with all due respect to my brave and wonderful colleagues around the world who have taken on the The task of speaking how important it is to break their control over us before they destroy us.
Getting out of WHO is not enough.
The beast, the source of all our suffering, is the United Nations.
Everything else that's destroying us, including comprehensive sexuality education, is subsidiary to this evil organization.
And we need to exit.
Very, very well put.
All right, thank you for that.
I think I have in the past put this on my website.
I'll put it out there again.
Thank you.
And it's, you know, you really gave it quite, in a very short period of time, quite a summation.
So, you know, there's so many areas I'd like to talk to you about, but I want to make sure that we've covered what you came to talk about.
So is this Did you have something to add to this?
Because I also think that, for example, that Trump has been planning to get us out of the UN for quite some time.
Now, he was interrupted, but in theory he's going to come back and be able... I hate to contradict you.
Really?
Yes, that is smoke and mirrors.
Oh, by the way, if you'll go back up a little bit, Carrie, but down to that list of things, a little bit more.
This is down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down.
So there's a list.
Aha.
Do you think Biden is behind the gun ban?
Nope.
That's the UN.
How about the Comprehensive Sexuality Education or SOGI 123 in Canada?
Nope.
That's the UN.
How about mass immigration?
When the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, said, I'm going to close the Eagle Pass gap where people are flooding through the illegal migrants, I'm going to protect Texas.
That day, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, no, you can't do that.
Why?
Because under U.N.
control, What we've agreed to with the UN, we can't control migration in our country.
So it's not a Biden problem.
It's a UN problem, which Biden is amplifying.
The gender nonsense, net zero, all of it.
It's the UN.
Now, in terms of Trump, this is really important.
What Trump did was say, we're getting out of the WHO.
But he had Pompeo, the Secretary of State, write the exit letter, which is kind of like asking, I don't know, the janitor or the cook in the cafeteria to write the letter.
It had no weight.
That was simple political posturing.
But to make matters worse, Trump, who, sorry folks, Trump is the most pro-vaccine president we have ever had.
Ever.
So what he did was give twice the money that we pay annually to the World Health Organization to GAVI, the Bill Gates Global Vaccine Alliance for Immunization.
He gave twice the money to GAVI, which is like saying here, Since Bill Gates, Gavi, and all of his units are the principal non-governmental funder of the World Health Organization, it was like saying, here, you give the money to WHO.
Now that is political posturing.
That is not getting us out of WHO or the United Nations or any such thing.
And Trump has yet to say, has yet to say, as soon as I am in The office of the President of the United States.
As soon as I sit in the Oval Office again, I will write a letter withdrawing from WHO and from the United Nations.
Nope, he has not said that.
Trump has not said the vaccines have killed vast numbers of people.
As recently as the last time I checked and I heard about it, Trump said That were three beautiful vaccines.
Now, maybe there were some side effects that should be looked into.
Side effects?
It's a genocide.
It's an iatrogenocide.
So you might call genocide a side effect.
Now, until and unless he takes a clear position, he will not have my support.
Because there is, in my view, simply no other issue facing humanity As important as the absolute, utter, intentional, well-financed, and beautifully orchestrated total destruction of every aspect of humanity that is lying just around the corner.
We're in 2024.
They want to have all the pieces of Agenda 2030 in place by 2025.
I look at my calendar and it's not a big gap between now and then.
And Klaus Schwab is real happy about how things are coming.
And now the farmers are saying, no, we have to produce food.
And Klaus Schwab is saying, no, no, we don't.
And that's where we are.
We have to take Absolute, definitive exit action now.
We can't mess around.
No other issue matters as much and there are a lot of other issues that matter.
Okay, yes.
Thank you very much for that.
Well, obviously people have to get on Trump's case, have to out this information and make sure that people are aware.
So, I am posting this again, you know, and we can revisit this as well.
Is there anything that you can sort of talk to that has to do with what, how this issue can be sort of wrapped into the upcoming election?
Absolutely.
Ask your candidate, do you commit Irrevocably, to remove the United States immediately upon being sworn in from the United Nations and all its subsidiary organizations, to revoke all of the municipal control given to ICLEI, C40, and the other public-private partnerships.
Do you commit to ban, absolutely ban, any and all mRNA and DNA vector Vaccine technology.
Do you commit to hold responsible through trial and through appropriate punishment for those people who deceived and who intentionally brought a bioweapon into general use?
Do you commit to investigate, revamp, and control the DARPA Department of Defense Bioweapon program that has been used to create the most successful genocide that humanity has ever experienced from the hands of the United States government.
Do you commit to that?
Do you commit to holding the pharmaceutical companies responsible for their participation?
By the way, Carrie, in 2011, I published a series of contracts, which The universe was kind enough to plop on my desk in front of me.
For every company that was then licensed to deploy vaccines in the United States, there was a contract with the Department of Defense.
Each one signed, and the contract said, at the request of the Department of Defense, you will include nanotechnology in your vaccine.
At that point, who knew what nanotechnology was?
I mean, I was dimly aware that there was smart dust, but didn't know it was going in vaccines.
Those contracts were signed in 2011 in preparation for this.
And by the way, there was no pandemic.
There was no excess mortality until the so-called vaccines were rolled out.
We now know that quite clearly, but that has to be Yeah, I appreciate that.
Well, that's, you know, very, very serious.
And I think it's very good that you highlight these issues.
I think it's very interesting to look at who really is behind the gun ban and the efforts to take away Americans' guns.
And what we're talking about is these other items here and mass migration, etc.
It really begins to look like, you know, like why isn't the UN being targeted in people's discussions on a mass level right now?
Because to look at that, They are responsible for what's going on in the United States, right?
They are most assuredly responsible for what's going on in the United States and the EU and the rest of the world.
You know, 20 years ago, General Burton and I closed my practice of drug-free medicine, sold our house, so we'd have some walking around money.
Okay, we'll wait for her to come back.
And we created the national agenda.
And we talked to the slave.
And people said, did you lose me again?
Sorry.
Yeah.
So at walking away money, you sold your house and got some walking away money.
At that point, you felt.
And we created the Natural Solutions Foundation specifically to derail the globalist agenda.
Because we could read.
We could see what they were saying they were going to do.
And we took them very seriously.
And at that point, we would tell people that there's a depopulation agenda and enslavement agenda to take away all rights and all property.
And to rewild 99% of the landmass of the earth and compress the remaining small number of people into 1% of the landmass in what are called transit villages.
And people said, that's crazy, but they assumed that we were the crazy ones.
Now, 20 years later, People are saying, that's crazy, but they're saying, it's the globalists who are the crazies.
And indeed, as a psychiatrist, I feel empowered to create diagnostic categories.
And I have a brand new one for these people.
They're batshit crazy.
They're rich, they're empowered, but we shouldn't give them any respect.
They're absolute lunatics and they're evil lunatics.
So now it's, Thinkable.
Now it's okay to say, oh, they really are doing that.
And oh, they really do want most of us dead.
And oh, they are destroying agriculture.
And oh, they are destroying property rights.
And they're rewilding.
They're rewilding parts of Greece and Italy and 20% of the landmass.
And I think the fires are part of that.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
The energy weapons, no question about that.
20% of the landmass of Canada has just been handed over to UNDRIP.
Well, to the Indigenous people and UNDRIP, the United Nations Indigenous Persons Development Council, will manage it.
20% of Canada has simply been given away.
Vancouver already has been given away.
The City of Vancouver no longer belongs to Canada.
It belongs to The indigenous people and it's being managed by UNDRIP and rewilding is happening all over the world.
People have to understand.
Yeah, it's crazy, but we're not the crazies.
They're the crazies.
And the only way out is out.
It can't be reformed.
It can't be fixed because it was designed to destroy us.
We're the carbon that they want to get rid of.
Incredible.
Yeah.
Well, this is very valuable.
Thank you, because very few people that I've been able to interview over the last few years talk about the UN at all.
I mean, at all.
It's a sacred town.
Everybody talks about the WHO, you know, at least my audience, I'm sure, is very aware of that threat.
But they are not aware of the responsibility, really, where it resides, as you're describing it.
And as this website obviously describes it, which is laying right at the feet of the UN.
And I wonder, you know, that's got to be part of the plot, right?
Keeping everyone sort of dumbed down about the role that I've always thought of the United Nations troops coming in through our borders at some point.
But I wasn't aware that they were already so instrumental.
And they're already in the United States.
There are already, there are lots of them.
Yes.
And in Canada.
Yes.
And this is huge.
So thank you for this.
I do find it very valuable and I hope that my audience will as well.
Is there anything else we can look at while we're on these topics?
Now I wonder because you're kind of, I know you've been kind of all over the place and I think that General Stubblebine has also been part of organizations that have possibly looked at the future.
You understand what I'm saying?
For sure, for sure.
I'm curious whether any intel has come back to you that has augmented or given you guidance for your mission.
Uh-huh, but it gets real weird.
You ready?
Okay.
Nothing's too weird for my audience or me.
Which is one of the reasons I was so pleased that you asked me to come on, Carrie, because I know that.
Okay.
Okay, so we were given a mission six months before we met, each of us meditating separately, and Bert saluted and said, sir, and I said, what?
That's completely insane.
That's mega maniacal.
That's what?
I carried on for a while and then I said, but okay, I will commit myself to that mission, whatever that means.
And that's very indicative of the different characters.
He was a military guy.
I was, you know, bouncing around off the wall saying, I don't understand that.
Finally, I said, okay, at which point he and I met and realized we had the same mission.
And then he gets killed.
And I said, well, I guess that's the end of the mission, right?
Because we were given to each other to accomplish this mission in a very clearly defined condition of perfect love, which is pretty interesting all by itself, but it's a different discussion.
So, I was weeping and he said, I want you to go to the Monroe Institute.
Now, are you familiar with the Monroe Institute?
Yes, and Hammy Sink and Bob Monroe.
Bert had been one of Bob Monroe's explorers.
He would bring his commanders to the Monroe Institute for the Gateway Program.
They would learn that they were more than their physical body and that there were essentially no limits, which is why he took them there, so they could be free of the illusion that there are limits to what we can do.
And so, while they were doing their Training.
He didn't need to do the training over and over again.
He would get wired up with polygraphy and go on missions and they would study when people went out of body and with the physical and physiological changes and so on and so on and he thought that was great.
And he always said, I want you to meet Bob Monroe.
And then Bob died.
Well, we'll go to the Monroe Institute anyway.
And then we didn't.
And then he died.
And so I had never been to the Monroe Institute, although I knew about it.
And he said, I want you to, you know, I'm typing and doing my communication with him.
And he says, I want you to go to the Monroe Institute.
And I said, why?
And he said, just go.
Okay.
So I went to the Monroe Institute, and it's a really cool place, and I had a lovely time.
And I already knew how to do out-of-body, so I didn't exactly see what I was supposed to do there, but unique things happened.
And I had an awareness, which was, oh, in order to heal the world, we have to create a new one.
I get it.
I see how that happens.
Turns out, Bert had been saying for quite a while in these transmissions, that just as there's an infinity of probabilities of realities and happenings in these infinite fractal bifurcation pathways, So there is an infinity of complete world systems, not just a mud ball world, but an entire multiverse, and they have no connection with one another.
Most of them are simply potential energy and have not yet been activated.
But there are forces and those who can manipulate the forces necessary to animate an entire probability system or world system, which has its own premises, which differ The premises of the other world system.
Our world system has some faulty premises.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the deep doo-doo that we are in.
And humanity has always been in, actually.
Okay, so Bert said, here's what we do.
And this does get weird, I admit.
We animate the right world system with the corrected premises.
Where love both defines and creates.
So the premise rests upon perfect love.
Well, that's interesting.
A lot of spiritual folks have been saying that in one way or another for quite a while.
Not necessarily in exactly this way.
And then we create a connection between The two world systems, which is sort of tricky because if you do it wrong, both of them get destroyed.
No pressure.
And sort of a docking station.
And then whatever happens, happens.
And then that the fact that that did happen has to be removed from time and space.
Oh, that's interesting.
Because we've got in this world system, What Bert chooses to call oppositional forces, or OFs.
Some people call it evil, some people call it this, some people call... Bert's talked quite a lot about the nature of the oppositional forces and their fundamental purpose is to destroy free will.
Because the entire system, the entire system, rests upon and was created To support free will.
That's kind of interesting.
Not everybody believes that.
So, they want to destroy free will.
They know they can't, but they're doing it anyway.
How many tyrants have known that they can't succeed, but they try anyway?
It's sort of a thing that tyrants do, and this is a tyrannical energy system, if you will.
And so, if they can transit into another world system, then they can introduce the same issues there.
So, how do you do that?
Well, you remove that from time.
How do you remove it from time?
Now we get into the quantum physics and the reason that we have what Bert calls a quantum mechanic to understand how that works.
And it's pretty complicated.
Anyway, I said to Bert, oh good, I can just play the guitar and bead and play with the dogs because we're gonna have a different world system to transit into.
He said, nope.
Unfortunately, this one has to be as close as possible, as close as it can be to that one to reduce the, if you will, and this is not a perfect word for it, the tension or the torsion, In that docking system.
And I said, I don't know how to do that.
He said, don't worry, we're working on it.
And so, interesting things are going on, and that's what the continuing transmissions are, in large part, about.
And a whole bunch of physicists and other people are really interested by it.
And I must say, the physics part doesn't make any sense to me until somebody explains it to me.
So that's pretty weird.
However, for anybody who chooses to put that aside, Carrie, we've still got this big problem with the United Nations.
And if we don't get rid of it, it's going to destroy us.
So, I mean, I'm not sure I would have paid any attention to that weird stuff if I had heard it 20 years ago.
So there may be people in your audience who are saying, what?
That invalidates the whole thing because it's too weird.
And I'm saying, no, it doesn't.
Dismiss the weird stuff if you want.
It's pretty weird.
And a lot of it is speculative.
Some of it's not speculative, which is very interesting.
Another discussion.
We still have this problem with the United Nations that literally wants to destroy us and enslave us from the DNA outward.
It's called transhuman development.
Sure.
Well, there is this idea, to use a little bit different language,
that you can you do need and we've you know it's been talked about uh to create the new world in the process of the destruction of the old so that in what's happening even now there are some people who tend to want to do more of that rather than what other people are really concentrating more so on the destruction side um and
You see that dynamic, right?
And one is maybe more the military being involved more in the destruction side, and then other organizations, including what I consider to be the White Hats.
In other words, they have set their sights on allowing or helping the, well, I call them the dark side, to destroy itself.
And that the seeds have already been planted for that, but Creating the new world and in the midst of the destruction of the old, I think is very, I actually had a dream about this, which is kind of fascinating.
It was fairly recent.
And I saw this earth.
It was, uh, you know, soil and it was gigantic hills of soil and it was clean.
You know, it was, it was like, I don't know, purified or something.
And I was kind of climbing these hills of soil.
And it was fresh, you know, and it was like rolling out or something.
So I think that that was metaphorical.
I don't, you know, it could be literal, but whatever.
So I, you know, I would see it in those terms.
What would you say to all of that?
I find that a very interesting dream.
I would love to talk further with you about that.
But one of the things that is sort of sad, hopeful, but sad or sad And it would be hopeful if it weren't said, is that there are a lot of good people around the world who are saying, Oh, bad things are happening.
And what we need to do is go off grid and make a nice intentional community.
For instance, Sasha Stone invited me to come to his Regenesis retreat in the Yucatan Peninsula.
In June of this year.
And he's building a community in Bacalar, Yucatan, on a beautiful, beautiful lagoon, magnificent countryside.
Too hot and humid for me, but that's not the point.
And I said to the folks there, lovely people, listen up!
You're going to make this beautiful community with the sacred geometry and the wonderful things that are happening in the organic food and the fresh water, and that'll be great.
Except for the fact that that's illegal.
As long as Mexico, Yucatan is part of Mexico, as long as Mexico is part of the United Nations, forget WHO, as long as it's part of the United Nations, That's illegal and the storm troopers and the drones will come and sweep you off the land, kill most of you, take some of you to the dog kennel.
15-minute city concentration camps, or worse, because you can't own land.
You can't farm land.
In Canada, the rules under which people own houses, live in places, have farms, are being changed this week.
So that the top six feet of the soil belongs to the government.
You can't disturb it.
That means you can't garden.
That means you can't grow food.
That means you don't get to live there if you're dependent on food.
So your lovely, idyllic, intentional community, delightful music and singing and organic food and all that wonderful good stuff is a crime.
People don't understand.
If we're fighting a 14th century war against a 21st century enemy, we've already lost.
And in the United States, as you know, Carrie, people say, well, I got me a gun.
Nobody gonna take my house away from me.
No, you got you a gun.
And after they boil your eyeballs from a mile and a half away with frequency weapons, you get to throw the gun at the sound.
Right.
That's all.
We have to understand we are not fighting the same political battle that we've always fought, in which we could afford gradualism and we'd make a little progress this year, and a little progress next year, and a little progress next year.
We are almost entrapped in their endgame.
And we either change the way we think about this, or we are dead.
Or worse, those who survive will be dehumanized, will be diminished, will be nanobotized, will be so diminished that there will never again be a humanity as we know it.
Never!
People don't understand.
This is a cataclysm 150 years, 140 years in the making.
Where people who had no scruples but infinite resources have planned brilliantly for our total degradation.
Okay, let me ask you a question that sounds maybe a little left field, but... How could anything be left field considering what we're talking about?
Really?
So, how do you feel about Antarctica and why they keep going down there and what kind of meetings they're having down there?
Damned if I know!
Sorry?
Damned if I know.
I mean, I hear all kinds of stuff.
I don't know.
So you don't wrap that in your analysis?
Because what is the link up, you could say, between the U.N.
And the new Schwabenland, New Berlin, down in Antarctica, the fact that certain people, certain officials of state keep going down there, it seems they're getting instructions of some kind.
I'm sure they're getting instructions.
I am sure that the reality of the reality of the reality of the reality has many sub-basements that we're not even vaguely aware of.
I know, for instance, from knowing Bert, who never shared a secret that was classified, never shared anything that he wasn't supposed to share with me.
But I know from learning what he didn't know, that I knew much more about as a person who never had any clearances.
I just was thinking about things and looking and reading and meeting people and so on.
I knew from the lack of knowledge that he had in certain areas that were very surprising to me, that people inside the world of secrets have knowledge, often very deep knowledge, only in the area that they're read into.
And if they're good at being in the world of secrets, they don't ask beyond that, because they're not supposed to.
And so he did not know many of the things that I knew.
For instance, I knew much more about UFOs than he did, even though he had been interested and tried to reverse engineer.
He was stonewalled Never found out.
And I said, well, let me tell you why you were stonewalled and let me tell you who you were stonewalled by.
And he said, how did you know?
Well, because I wasn't bound by that compartmentalization model.
I understand that.
But it is kind of pertinent, I would say, because there are centers of power.
The UN may be one of them, right?
But there are other places which are controlling and where the control is coming from.
For the rollout of this whole system that they are embarked on, right?
And so it's important to maybe look at those systems and those places of power.
For example, the financial system is a really great way to control people.
Absolutely.
And then Basel, Switzerland, you know, the families.
Bank of International Settlement, absolutely.
My way of understanding that, and I'm so glad you brought that up.
I wasn't focusing on it, but I'm aware of it in this way.
The Death Star coming over the horizon to actually kill us is, in fact, The World Health Organization.
Behind that, directing where the Death Star goes, is the Imperium.
That's the United Nations.
Directing and controlling the Imperium is the international financial system and all of its manifestations and machinations.
And there are many, as I don't need to tell you.
And above that, there is a level of control of people who decide or think they can decide What the world actually is, and who's in charge of it.
Now, from my analysis, Kerry, and I'd be very happy to learn that, you know... Oh, wow.
Looks like we might have been taken off the air.
I don't see my... We have no control.
Okay, you were interrupted again.
Yes, I'm sorry.
Yeah, so you were talking about the layers of control going back.
You were talking about the layers of control going back.
Are you there?
Oh no.
Are you there?
Okay.
I think we can't hear you.
Okay, can you hear me now?
Now, yes.
Okay, so can you back up to, you were giving us the layers behind this one, behind that one, and you got into what appeared to be a very interesting layer, and then you were shut up, shut down.
That's not infrequent.
So, um, I was saying the Death Star is the WHO and all of its pieces.
The Imperium controls that.
That's the United Nations.
We are members of the Imperium.
Above that is the entire financial system in its widest definition.
And it's a very wide definition.
Above that, there seems to be a layer of Predictive control.
Some folks who seem to think that they can destroy the entire world as it exists or reshape it as they choose to.
Now, backing up to about 2002, I had this unusual practice of medicine where people actually got well from things they We're supposed to not get well from.
And desperate people have desperate friends.
So people would come from all over the world.
Some of them were ordinary folks.
Some of them were highfalutin folks.
I had a monarch who came to see me, and she was a patient.
I've told this story before.
And she said one day, in a kind of chatty, friendly way, you know, it's almost time for the great culling to begin.
I said, the what?
And she said, culling.
C-U-L-L.
I said, I know the word.
What are you talking about?
She said, the culling of the useless eaters.
And I said, that was a term I had never heard at that time.
I said, what's a useless eater?
She said, those people who are consuming our non-renewable resources.
And I said, well, did it ever occur to you that you're consuming their non-renewable resources?
She said, oh, that's interesting, and dismissed it.
And then I said, so how many of these useless eaters are you planning on culling?
And she said, 90%.
And I said, 90% of what?
And she said the total world population.
And I asked her a number of questions and she left and I thought either she's crazy or she has given me a very important clue into something and Turned out, of course, she was both.
She was a psychopath, and she gave me a clue.
Well, in the course of that discussion where I was asking her questions, saying, blah, I said, so who's in charge of all of this?
The Illuminati?
And she said, no, my dear.
The Illuminati is middle management, which, by the way, I had suspected.
She said, I said, OK, so who's really in charge above the middle management?
And she said, the seven dwarfs.
And I thought, oh, my, she really is loony.
And that's an official psychiatric phrase, loony.
And I said, what?
She said, there's a council of seven men.
And they make the decisions about how the world will be.
And I said, who are they?
She said, I don't know.
And I said, well, look, I can believe you wouldn't choose to tell me who they are, but I can't believe that in your position, you don't know who they are.
She said, oh no, you don't understand.
I said, obviously.
She said, I don't want to know who they are.
It's worth my life.
I don't know their identities.
Over the course of time, and of course I don't know if that's true because I have no independent corroboration, but over the course of investigating and listening and reading and so on,
The notion of a sort of super high council of a very small number of utterly powerful people who, of course, are corrupted by that power to a level that it's actually hard to even imagine.
Persists, and I find it credible.
I find it entirely plausible that there is this sort of upper echelon that is so ruthless and so psychopathic that absolute utter destruction in favor of its own objectives makes perfect sense to it.
And in a very interesting way, that correlates with this notion of the model of the premises that Bert has talked about.
Because they are, metaphorically or actually, an embodiment of the most defective aspects of the premises of our very world.
It's a rather interesting circularity of correspondence, if you will, Carrie.
Okay, now I'm not going to keep you much longer, because we've really gotten some great stuff from you, and it's quite
draining I think after a while to to do this but I do want to ask you one last question and you can you know run with it if you want whatever wherever you want to go or not so what about the aliens what about the visitors and I also mean the reptilians under the earth the ones who think they own the earth etc etc so what do does that factor into your echelon let's say of power
Before I met Bert, I got very interested in alien abduction because I was seeing people who clearly had post-traumatic stress disorder.
Remember, I'm a psychiatrist, so among the patients that I was seeing were psychiatric patients.
I was seeing people who clearly had post-traumatic stress disorder around Alleged alien abductions.
Well, in order to have PTSD, you have to have a T to be T2.
You have to have a trauma to be post.
And the trauma, by definition, has to have occurred outside of your ego control.
In other words, it's an external event that overwhelms your ego coping mechanisms.
Okay, so I kept figuring, I couldn't figure out why people could have or how people could have genuine PTSD if there couldn't possibly be a T to be P2 because I just dismissed alien anything automatically.
And then I thought, wait, is that right?
So I started reading everything that was available in English.
On alien abduction.
And I found that my assumptions were naive.
Kind of like my assumptions about what General Burt had to be like.
They were wrong too.
Became involved with the entire topic of alien abduction and so forth.
And I created an organization called Center for Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma.
Trauma that comes from somewhere.
We don't know the origin, but we do know the impact.
And we held held international meetings and so on and so on.
Okay.
I became convinced personally that aliens exist.
They do bop around in The equivalent of tin cans that can be seen on radar and theodolite and visually and so on and that governments know about it and different governments have different ways of interfacing with them.
The Russians use the existence of UFOs as cover for their aerial activities, their rockets and so on.
The United States denies they exist, but they do exist.
Somebody's driving those suckers.
Those are aliens.
Now, what I also became convinced of, based on my research and my extensive work with people who had had one kind of encounter or another with them, is that they're not space brothers.
They're not taking care of us.
They're not shepherding us.
And now a lot of religions are based around that lovely idea, but I see no evidence for that.
They exist and they have their own agendas.
Then we get to the reptilians and the Dracos and all those people.
And I have said to everybody I could reach who was involved with that system of thought and understanding in any way, show me a piece of evidence.
Don't prove it conclusively to me, just a tiny little piece of evidence, not an assertion that there are in fact reptilians and so on.
And I've spent God knows how many hours looking at YouTube videos and looking for vertical pupils and forked tongues and a lot of time spent looking for that.
I have yet to see a piece of evidence that is disturbing enough to require me to give credence to that, which doesn't mean it isn't true.
Lack of evidence is not the same as lack of reality.
So the answer is, as with the Antarctic special situation, I don't know.
I haven't got a clue.
What I have is a lot of information about assertions, and I'm open to the evidence.
I mean, I'm not saying they don't exist, and I'm not saying they're not a control system, but I have no evidence to suggest that they are or are not.
Okay, fair enough, and thank you for the, you know, the frankness of your answer.
So, This is an interesting world we're living, or lots of worlds that we're colliding with, really.
I know I'm not supposed to ask another question, but I'm throwing this out, and you don't have to say anything about it, but I just want to throw it out.
There is an element to what you're saying that does seem to relate to what there have been several TV shows about, which is Fringe, the famous television series.
I don't know if you've ever seen it.
Another one's I think called Counterpart and a few others that have to do with what they call a parallel earth.
Okay.
So, I just wondered if you ever factored that into your analysis, whether you had, again, you may not have had direct experience with it, whether you, you know, what were your thoughts on that level?
Very, very important question.
In fact, it pertains very deeply to the nature of reality at its most significant level.
So, it's a big discussion.
When Michel Bunyas began to develop his model, and by the way we published almost 50 papers in journals around the world on his mathematical modeling and development over those 11 years that I mentioned, Uh, I asked these questions.
Well, is this parallel universe?
How does this work?
What about, uh, um, uh, multiple realities and, and colliding timelines and so on and so on?
And we had lots of those discussions.
Um, his model, there are other models, of course, but his model is very clear that there are infinite possibilities, but there's your consciousness moves through A singular set of the infinite possibilities but can change what that movement is and has been and I have some direct physical examples of that which are really quite wild.
These shows are very, very interesting.
I haven't seen all of them.
I don't have a television, but I had a friend for a while.
I'd go over to his house once a week and we'd watch dystopian TV series.
One was Dark, for example, a German show about alternate timelines and so on.
A couple of possibilities.
I grew up reading science fiction.
My father was a science fiction fan.
It was in the house.
I read all the pulp magazine science fiction.
People have been writing about this for a long time.
As people like Michelle began publishing their science about the nature of time and the nature of dimensionality and reality and so on, It became even more prominent in science fiction.
So, the science fiction writers would take the leading-edge science about time and reality and the interaction of intentionality and reality, and they would turn it into the fiction that we're now seeing.
So, it's a kind of parallel development between Mathematics, science, physics, and fiction.
Right.
And that happens continually throughout society, throughout cultures.
That's how fiction begins to predict the future, if you will.
Truth is greater than fiction, as they say.
And I hope that's a comprehensive answer.
It's the way I understand it.
Thank you.
Yes.
And that's a great beginning.
So there's so many other things we could talk about.
I hope you'll come back.
Absolutely.
Fascinating talking with you.
I know from the chat that people are really interested in what you have to say.
So that's great.
So thank you again for being on my show.
Pleasure.
It's a delight.
And, you know, I really I am very I guess thankful that you have the mission you have and that's, you know, Majors General Stubblebean, Stubblevine, has the same mission and I think a lot of us do and I think that, you know, I think there's hope for the world.