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Feb. 7, 2024 - Project Camelot
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BRAD OLSEN: PLAIN OF JARS LAOS - WORLD EXPLORER AUTHOR
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, trying to learn how to use Rumble, which is completely hopeless.
Anyway, I'm here with Brad Olson, and it's great to have you back, Brad, and you've been all over the world again.
Such an explorer.
I have to give you a lot of kudos and respect, anyone who does that, because I know what it's like.
So anyway, welcome.
You want to talk about yourself a little bit, give yourself some background, and then tell us what you're up to.
Yeah, you bet.
Hey, Cary, always great to talk with you.
And yes, I'm just back from the country Laos in Southeast Asia, where I was investigating the Plain of Jars, a megalithic site there, and we'll talk about that, and the secret war in Laos, which has a parallel to this particular area and the Plain of Jars itself.
I'm a world traveler, been to all seven continents.
Including Antarctica five years ago, and I'm the author of ten books, three in the Esoteric Books series, Beyond Esoteric, which you wrote a wonderful blurb for.
We've been meeting up at conferences and having dinner once in a while when we're in town with each other.
Always great to make your company and talk about everything under the sun.
For sure.
Well, I, you know, you have these wonderful books and you're kind of, you encapsulate like an overview of the whole scene and that I think that's very useful for people.
So I encourage people to get your books.
It's such a big topic, you know, secret space, UFOs, ETs, you name it, and also ancient sites, megaliths all around the globe, including Antarctica, where you have been one of the few people around.
And so, why don't you talk about your latest explorations and why did you go to Laos?
Yeah, that's the big question.
Well, it was a press trip.
I started my career, seven of my ten books are travel books as a travel journalist.
And this is an event called the ASEAN Tourism Forum.
I used to go to it all the time.
In fact, I was in Laos for the first time exactly 20 years ago.
The first time they hosted the ASEAN Tourism Forum.
That stands for the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
They will be doing a political ASEAN gathering this summer.
They always start out each year in a different host country.
It rotates between the 10 ASEAN nations one by one every 10 years.
It'll be back to the same host country.
I hadn't been to an ASEAN Tourism Forum since Philippines in 2016, but some other travel writer friends of mine said, hey, we're putting in our application.
I did.
And lo and behold, we were accepted.
So I'm writing an article.
The way these junkets work is you pay them back with an article.
So David Hatcher Childress has a magazine called World Explorer.
And I'm writing an article about the planet jars and the secret war in Laos.
And interestingly enough, there is a very direct tie in.
So I went on my trip.
They did pick up my airfare, but I got there two weeks early before the ASEAN Tourism Forum and then traveled independently on my dime.
And I had my backpack on.
Man, I'm still world stomping around.
With that backpack and taking overnight buses to get out to this town called Phon Saban in the northern part of Laos where these Thousands in prehistoric time of these megalithic jars were created, and some of them are huge, Kerry.
You can see in the picture I'm standing next to one that's two meters tall, but some of them are three meters tall, much taller than myself, and partly buried in the ground and scattered all over this main plain of jars.
It just got recognized as a World Heritage Site through UNESCO, so now it's all protected.
But there had been in times of old, many more.
Some were destroyed in the Vietnam War, the secret war in Laos, and also by Chinese raiders coming down and collecting Trying to find treasure in them because there were burial items with them and I'll explain what they were used for.
But the legend was that they were cups for giants, drinking cups.
You have to be a pretty big giant to be able to do that.
Yeah.
There it is, and that's the Plain of Jars behind me.
You can see some of the broken ones right next to my head, and then the main Plain of Jars off in the distance with some tourists, as well as some of the craters.
So those indents you see there, where the sign is, and then a couple in the background, those are all bomb craters from this secret war in Laos.
And it's called the secret war in Laos because it was A bombing campaign?
During the Vietnam War, but it was there was never war declared on the country Laos.
There was never any acknowledgement even to the American people or even Congress that this was going on and it was from 1964.
Basically when we started getting involved in Vietnam all the way through 1970 when it was finally acknowledged that we're doing this war in Laos.
And it went all the way until 1973, when America finally started realizing, we're losing this war, we better get out of here.
And sure enough, the entire country acquiesced to the communist surge, just like General Westmoreland said, If we lose Vietnam, Southern Vietnam, then we're going to lose Laos, then we're going to lose Cambodia, and the communists are going to go all the way down through Indonesia to Australia.
Well, he's partly correct because we did lose Vietnam, we did lose Laos, and we did lose Cambodia.
Part of my trip, I went to the ancient city of Luang Prabang, and that's where one of the royal families lived.
After the Communists swept through Laos in the mid-70s, It was like the French Revolution.
It was off with the heads.
And similarly, all the regimes that the U.S.
backed, from South Vietnam to the Cambodian regime to the friendlies who we're fighting with in Laos, they were all sent to re-education camps.
Many of them tortured horrifically.
Yeah, so here's some great pictures of the Plain and Jars.
You can see some of them have these carved rims on them.
Others are rectangular.
They were made out of different stones from sandstone to composite stone to granite, which is a very hard stone to carve out of.
And inside some of the stones, you can still see the chip marks.
So they were made during the Iron Age in Laos, which was 500 B.C.
to 500 A.D., and there were many thousands originally.
Right now, there are 1,325 that are still fully intact.
Several more busted up the bombing campaign, but they're just massive.
And the big mystery is how did they move These jars from the quarry, 20 kilometers up to the Plain of Jars.
And then there are other locations in the jungle and on hilltops and scattered all around this remote town in Laos called Phon Saavon.
And I had to memorize the name and I used Wano Saavon.
Phon Saavon.
Okay.
But what is the theory?
I mean, you said giants, like maybe using them, but I don't know.
It doesn't really look like a, I mean, it shaped like a cup, but it doesn't look like something you'd lift up and drink out of.
So is there any thought that it might be, you know, like, would you keep honey in there or would you, you know, In prison, an animal or a bird or if you were trapping something.
Any thoughts?
And all fantastic theories and as well as preserving food or even fermenting food.
And these were all legends that they were built by giants, that this location was haunted because there were also a lot of human remains found around them.
An archaeologist was out there in the 1930s, a French archaeologist named Colary.
And she was digging around all these jars and finding skeletal remains, but not like a body laid out.
Neatly stacked skeletons and even put in funerary urns and buried around the jars.
And her theory was, and it's actually backed up by archaeologists now, that they were used as what's known as a secondary burial process.
So a body would be put in the jar, fully intact, and animals would get at it and it would decompose and then when it was down to the bones, the bones were removed and buried around the jar.
So the jars were kind of like a funerary urn or A family plot, for example, but only for the well-to-do because there were also cremations and they were buried, too, of the commoners.
So you can imagine each one of these jars is like a family plot for generations in a big necropolis with all these burials around them.
Okay, now what about this idea, I mean, I don't know, you know, like, why did they make them the way they did?
Did they think that they were making an offering of the bones?
Or, in other words, it almost looks like they're offering the dead person to be eaten and for this to be a repository of the bones.
What do you think about that?
And the bones were often buried with funerary objects, much like the Egyptian birds and mummies.
Because weren't, well this is just a thought, but weren't giants back in the day, they actually ate humans, didn't they?
They did indeed.
So this kind of might lend itself to that idea.
Right, like an offering.
What a spooky place!
Pulls out the body and eats it and leaves the bones behind.
Yeah, like we do with chicken bones.
That is the legend.
And it even says it in the UNESCO World Heritage Museum that the legend was these were cups for the giants.
It didn't say specifically for drinking.
Maybe it was a cup for Yeah.
Yeah, like to placate them or something.
That's really kind of awful.
Does anything in the local, you know, Lore or paintings, carvings, stories lend itself to that or were you able to investigate any of that kind of thing?
They do indeed and in the museum it said that the legend was they were created for and by the giants.
There are also these lids but they said the lids were not for the jars.
The lids were like tombstones that were placed over the bones once they were assembled and put together and then buried.
So all around these jars were individual burials of bones in the secondary burial process.
But I like what you're thinking that maybe this was some kind of offering.
We put the food out.
Exactly.
And then they gather the bones after the fact when they've moved on.
Leave their chicken bones in the jar, yeah!
No more, you know, just for the traveling giants to eat on their way to wherever they're going.
It's pretty awful, but maybe they put dead people in there.
The giants didn't necessarily kill them, but they put them bodies in there so that When the Giants pass through.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's not a very nice idea.
So let me, let me understand.
You went as part of some kind of a yearly, what do you call it?
What is it?
Tourism Forum.
Yeah.
And it was a big, big conference.
Forum, a conference.
Okay.
But what is the conference?
What is the theme?
Well, it's promoting tourism throughout the entire Southeast Asian nation countries.
I see.
Hosted by a different country each year and it goes in alphabetical order.
So next year will be a Malaysia.
All right.
And Minamar now or Burma, but they're having a civil war right now and it's getting kind of nasty.
There are multiple factions now fighting the government forces.
So it's pretty unlikely that they'll have an ASEAN tourism forum, but they did do it nine years ago.
So maybe things will clear up and they'll do it.
And I would love to go to that one.
I've not been to Minamar yet, but right now, currently, It's dangerous to go there.
And you may not even get a visa to go in either.
Some areas I think are okay.
But this area is the premier megalithic site in the country of Laos.
Okay.
There's just so many of them and they're so big and they're so heavy that one of the big mysteries is, and it even says it in the museum, nobody knows how they were moved to the site.
Oh, right.
They know where the quarries were, but the quarries were Over valleys, through very dense jungle, and up to this plateau, up to this plain, and have been there for 2,500 years, some of the oldest ones.
So they're very, very old.
Well, as an intuitive, I'm definitely getting a very dark scenario here.
As it happens, that's just me.
You know, it doesn't mean everyone would, but just saying.
Well, there is a very dark side of it, and that leads us to the Vietnam War.
Because the reason why this area became so wealthy and these families would be able to commission the stonemasons to transport and take these jars to these locations must have been an expensive proposition, kind of like building a family mausoleum.
It's not a small undertaking.
You have to have some Resources behind you to do it.
But this area, this plateau, is a crossroads in Southeast Asia.
So salt was coming up from the Gulf of Tonkin in Vietnam.
And then there were a robust trade and has been going on for hundreds, thousands of years, really, since the Iron Age.
And iron was quarried in this area too.
And they're using it and smelting it.
So it was an advanced culture.
Because these people were wealthy, the Chinese were coming down from time to time, trading but also raiding this area.
And one of the beliefs of why the jars were created is because there was a very powerful kingdom and they had beat back the Chinese and created a royal family dynasty in this area.
And they used the jars as a multi-week celebration.
So making rice wine and fermenting the wine and storing food and then feeding everybody in the whole village for many weeks.
So that was the story of why the jars were made.
But really because they found funerary objects inside the jars and around the jars with some of these buried, neatly stacked bones.
They think it was mainly used for these secondary burial processes.
Now, every time you find a culture that buries their dead with funerary objects, and there are beads, there are iron implements, it shows that you have a very sophisticated culture, because you're thinking about that person in the afterlife, and you're giving them the items they're going to need in the afterlife to go.
So it's a sign that they were a very advanced people.
And you can still see the chisel marks inside the jars themselves of the tools that would have had to been iron tools stronger than even granite to be able to carve these out.
But this had all been very heavily forested and a lot of the The emptiness you see has a lot to do with the Second Indochina War.
That's what the people in Laos call the Vietnam War, as we know it.
The First Indochina War was the War of Independence against the French, who had colonized Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
The French were pretty much done in the mid-50s.
They pulled out, and then it was this whole theory that the domino effect is going to turn all these countries communist.
And then Kennedy put in some advisors, but he really didn't want to escalate the war.
Johnson escalated the war with the false flag incident and the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
And did you know that the admiral in the Gulf of Tompkins incident was Admiral Morrison, Jim Morrison of the Doors?
Oh, really?
I might have heard that in passing, but maybe didn't, you know, latch on to it.
Sounds vaguely familiar, but what are you trying to draw some significance to that?
So the significance is, because this area was a major crossroads of trade, it was also the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
And so the secret war bombing campaign in Laos was to take out the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Johnson gave the orders, Westmoreland.
We got to take them out because the supplies and the material for fighting the war in South Vietnam and the Viet Cong soldiers were all streaming in from North Vietnam Through Laos and then down to Cambodia, where they re-emerged in South Vietnam to fight the war with the Americans.
And we bombed Laos so heavily.
It is the most bombed nation in the world to this day.
Well, you know, I mean, not to throw a wrench into this whole scenario here too much, but why not?
So you know that Captain Mark Richards talked about what is in essence this place where it's in that area.
I'm kind of drawing a blank on the name.
But anyway, the idea was that there were spider beings that came through a portal.
And I actually interviewed a couple of Vietnam vets who seemed to remember this, that their brains were wiped, but they actually remembered.
And that when, when they did come through something, there were like mounds of bodies or something.
And, um, I'm just wondering if this have might've been, you know, some capture operation where they might put something inside these things to then You know, because right now you don't see like there might have been nets over them or something like that, where this is just hypothetical.
I know it's kind of crazy.
Angkor Wat, that's what I was trying to think of.
So Angkor Wat is the place where it disappeared overnight.
And have you ever, has anyone ever talked to any Laos, like what do you call, you know, like elderly, Men or women who know the secrets of the society, you know, it's that kind of thing, where they would keep a secret like that.
So that would be very interesting.
I don't know if there's any paintings that depict any such thing or lead down that direction, but I don't know.
What I'm getting is some kind of lure that was set up that was put into this place to attract Either giants, or spider beings, or whatever.
Even the enemies, you know?
Like putting out, filling those jar things with something alluring, whatever might be alluring to who they were trying to attract, and then trapping them.
You know, when they came to feed on whatever it was.
It's just an idea.
But it is very spooky.
Does have that kind of feel.
Yeah.
Well, you know, they just discovered a cave.
Of course, it's been there for a very long time in Vietnam, maybe 200 miles away from the Plain of Jars, because the Vietnam border is pretty close to Phon Sabin.
And this cave is one of the most expansive caves in the world.
And it has its own ecosystem with plants and animals and insects that have never been discovered before.
So these giant spiders, and we've talked about this before, too, that were witnessed by some of the Vietnam veterans.
Could have been coming out of this massive cave system that goes on for hundreds of miles.
Not far away, just only about 300 miles due south, is Angkor Wat, or the Temples of Angkor, which are very expansive over a very wide area.
Angkor Wat is just one of many big temples down there.
Yeah.
And so this is the jar site.
The museum is right on the bottom there.
And then you walk in and you do that circuit.
And in the middle there is a big cave.
And the cave was really interesting because, there you go, maybe a connection to another cave system.
But that was the crematorium for the poor people.
And then those remains were also buried on the Plain of Jars.
So really, At least one function was a big necropolis.
A big burial ground.
Hundreds and hundreds of skeletons and cremated bodies on this location.
This is just site one.
There's two dozen sites all around Fon Savan.
And some in real remote jungle areas.
And you gotta go hike too.
They're all protected now under the Unesco World Heritage Site Foundation.
And one of those pictures you just saw some of the crater holes.
So because the Plain of Jars was on this real pivotal crossroads, It was the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
So they also wanted to demoralize the Laotian people because these jars are revered as a sacred place.
Buddhist monks will go up there, but also it's considered a haunted site.
There are people that don't like going there.
So I think you're spot on, Carrie, with your perception that this is A spooky sight, and it is!
Just like if you go to a haunted graveyard, people get that weird feeling.
Yeah, a place to lure the enemy, a place to do something really sort of nefarious, it feels like.
But, you know, be that as it may, so how did you, what did you do, like, where do you fly into to go to Laos, to this area?
So the capital is called Vientiane.
It's in southern Laos, right on the Mekong River.
Across the river is Thailand.
And oh, boy, it was quite an ordeal getting there.
Over two days travel, long layovers, 14 hours in Taipei.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm sitting in Taipei, Taiwan.
I'm thinking, I hope China doesn't attack today or when I'm flying around.
But there's some tension in the air in Taiwan.
But Well, how far?
Maybe I need a map in front of me, but why?
How close is Laos to Taiwan?
It's not.
So why?
Why to Bangkok?
Well, because SFO to Taipei to Bangkok to Vientiane.
And then once I got to Ventiana, I was so tired.
I just hung out, slept for two days, got massages, five bucks, five US for an hour massage there.
It's amazing.
Everything is so cheap.
The dollar is still very, very strong.
So I don't think this whole notion of our revaluation, because Laotian, you cash money, $100 bill, Kerry, they give you a million, Laotian Kip is the name of their currency.
You're a millionaire for $100, and the highest denomination bill is 100,000 Kip.
It's about $5, 5 U.S.
See, you get this stack of money, and Vietnam was like that, too, with the dong.
It's like monopoly money.
You just get so much currency.
And things are so inexpensive there.
But the people are just amazingly friendly.
I really think they're the nicest people in the world.
They don't even honk horns in Ventian, the capital, because they consider it rude.
It's quiet.
It's mellow.
The people are nice.
There's no vandalism.
There's no trash on the ground.
There's no homeless.
You know, in some ways I'm thinking, you know, maybe the communists got it right.
Nobody falls through the cracks there, unlike in our capitalistic society.
And there it is, Landlocked Laos.
And Vientiane right in the middle there on the bottom.
And then Phoen Xavan is probably right up where the letter S of Laos is.
So whereabouts is this plane in the map?
Yeah, right about where the letter S in the name louses over here there.
I don't see from yeah, they don't seem to have marked it.
But okay, so I took a night bus and it actually wasn't bad.
I was a tall guy and I was able to stretch out in it.
Woke up in the morning and a couple hours got dropped off at the train station, bought a tuk-tuk to the plane of jars and spent good part of the day and then had my backpack and Couldn't get a tuk-tuk out of there, but just started walking back to the bus station.
And it's actually pretty cool.
I met people along the way and got some fruit and got to see the town.
But it turned out the bus was not leaving for Luang Prabang and you can see that on the map.
That is one of the most amazing Cities in the world.
It's a medieval Buddhist city.
They're just temples everywhere.
They have not allowed rampant development.
Although there are nice high-end hotels around there, but I stayed in a guest house with a friend of mine John Hoppeck.
I know from the conferences.
He's there for a couple of months and he got me in his guest house and a really cool guest house proprietor.
And I'm talking to him.
You'll find this interesting.
We're just talking about world politics.
And it came up about our southern border and he knew about it.
Far away Laos.
Oh, yeah, we heard you.
Maybe I should go to America.
I could just walk right in the border.
Wow, it's pretty amazing.
You know that everybody knows.
Yeah, the word's getting around.
Well, that's interesting.
Too bad a friend of mine had no clue, but nonetheless, you know, it is interesting what gets out there and what doesn't.
So, All right, this is just a really fascinating place that you went, I have to say.
Very mysterious.
Do you go to the Buddhist temples and try to meditate or anything like that?
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, that was a big part of the trip.
Off in the distance at the Plain of Jars is this giant golden Buddha.
And everywhere I went, when I was walking through the town, I'd look back and there's his head poking out.
It's really cool.
Buddhists are the kindest, gentlest.
They don't hustle you.
It's not, I see a dollar sign and Here's an American or whatever, a tourist.
Let's try to get some money out of them.
They don't care.
It's great.
And then now I feel a lot more compelled to make a donation.
But they didn't even take a donation.
So I'm taking China moved in and put a high speed rail in from Kunming, China, all the way through Laos.
Laos is struggling to pay that back.
But I'm in the train station to take a train back to Vientiane for the start of the ASEAN Tourism Forum.
And there's this teenage Wearing a Buddhist saffron robe.
He's just sitting there and he's just meditating.
And there's all these Chinese and it's just so chaotic and they're very loud people.
And he's just so mellow.
And I'm just looking at him like, wow.
Meditation really does calm the soul.
And he's just sitting there and I'm looking at him, I go, can I give you some food?
I offer him fruit, nuts.
No, no, no, no, no.
Let me give you some money.
I just wanted to help this kid out.
And he's, no, no, no, no, no.
It's just like, wow.
That's when you got it together.
When you're in that state, you don't have anything, loud cacophony of Chinese all over the place.
But a few more things about the plane of jars in the Vietnam War and this whole secret war.
More bombs were dropped in Laos than the entirety of World War II.
This is the extent of the damage that we did.
And we're not, the U.S.
is not even there helping with the cleanup.
It's really disgraceful.
Other European countries, Luxembourg, Belgium, France, they have a big play in it and they're financing it.
And they have to go out there and every two weeks, another person is either killed or maimed by ordinances.
80 million unexploded ordinances.
And some are only as big as a tennis ball.
They call them bombies.
They're dropping these cluster bombs, including right there on the plane of jars.
And some of them still have shrapnel scars.
And the plane of jars, this is another reason why it's kind of a haunted site.
Major battles took place during the first Indochina War.
Many men were killed there.
There are still trenches where there are French warfare.
And another use of the Jars where they were hiding in the jars and shooting out of there for protection against the French.
And the French had their allies in the country of Laos too.
Then when we started bombing the area, many people died during the bombing campaign.
In fact, not far away, there's another cave.
Everybody, when the planes would come, they'd run for the cave, including this cave on the site at the Plain of Jars.
But at another cave, there was a direct hit.
Something like 365 people died instantly.
And a war memorial there.
And so some of these museums carry, just like when I went to Vietnam in 1993 in Saigon, or now it's called Ho Chi Minh City, the Museum of American War Atrocities.
It really hits home when you see a war propaganda from the other perspective.
This is what we did to you.
And here I am, an American, going to this country, one of the first backpackers to be allowed in Vietnam in 1993, and then going to the museums, World Heritage Museum.
Half of that museum was devoted to the wars, and they even had displays of some of the bomb ordinances.
And in Luang Prabang, it's called UXO, Unexploded Ordinances, a whole museum about these bombs that were dropped.
I mean, some of them were massive, but other were these cluster bombs that would open up before impact and then just throw hundreds of these little bombings the size of a tennis ball And explode shrapnel and just kill everything in between.
I mean, just indiscriminate killing with these bombs.
It's just so really disgraceful to see how poorly we treated these people and the remnants of it and the horror of people being maimed from them still continues to this day.
Wow.
Incredible.
Well, I think that's fabulous that you do this, that you travel to these places.
Certain of these places are extremely remote, it seems, to the West, especially.
So, in terms of what else, what, like, I mean, so you kind of go to this What do you call it?
Is it a conference exactly where you speak?
Yeah.
I did not speak there.
No, I went there as a journalist.
So we would sit in on all 10 of the countries, would give an update on tourism in the country.
So they're given statistics.
A lot of it is post-COVID because Southeast Asia got shut down.
Hard during COVID.
No tourism.
In fact, they were saying that the road to this very famous waterfall in Luang Prabang, there was no traffic, so all the animals would sleep in the roads.
But why were they hit so hard?
With what?
Because there's a lot of theories that there was no COVID.
And it doesn't look like it's inundated by 5G.
So what are we really talking about?
Was this a propaganda war, in essence?
And was this a propaganda war in essence?
Definitely.
Because the Asian people go along with what their leaders say.
That's why the World Economic Forum would love to model what China does, because the people go along with their leaders.
They don't fight back.
Nor did they in Southeast Asia.
So the lockdown was really severe.
And of course, they had the VAX passport for several years.
All that has been dropped now.
It's free and open to travel there.
Before the next pandemic hits.
Sure, but the people then you're suggesting that the people are super vaxxed, right?
Unfortunately, I think they are.
Interesting.
Did not get any stats or find out, but you could tell some of them were.
Right, well, we don't know.
The other thing is that you don't know the content of the vaxes that went to that area of the world, right?
So it's hard to.
Make suppositions about that.
I'm sure there may be in internal politics, there may be some reveals along these lines.
But for those that might be watching this, they may have family members, for example, that live even in the States and know more about what really went on behind the scenes.
But it is, I mean, even Chinese and Japanese have been wearing masks for God knows how long.
And it's so, I mean, it's totally proven that there's no scientific value to that.
So what in the world, you know, and it's, they definitely buy into it.
So what, you know, what's really going on there?
And Yeah, I mean, I think that there is part of their culture that is attracted to the idea of hiding, even fighting hiding from the government.
So the mask, adopting the mask is is multiple angles.
And one of the things is, of course, that it's not so much that they're afraid of getting sick as they are trying to be polite or not targeted as a person who's making others sick.
So it could be like a defensive gesture, if you can see it like that, like a polite, sort of a distortion of politeness.
That society or those societies may also be dipping into that kind of idea.
But it's such a tragedy, you just don't know what really we're dealing with here.
A lot of the Chinese tourists were still wearing masks.
Not many of the Laotians were, but sometimes if they were in the service or food industry they would be wearing a mask.
A lot more than I see in America.
Even in the airports, a lot of people are still wearing masks.
The World Economic Forum, they say with this depopulation that they wanted to keep a half a million Chinese and Japanese alive because they follow orders and because they are compliant.
Yeah, right.
And that's what they want, is a civilization That is compliant to these overlords who are giving them their orders.
So Southeast Asia is quite the same way.
So I was sitting in these briefings of each country, and each country is talking about how they're opening up again, and they're trying to get their numbers up from pre-COVID times.
And some of them are getting good and previously closed down areas.
There are some places in Southeast Asia and even Laos that they didn't want tourists going there, but they're opening them up.
They need the money.
It's hard currency.
Now that they have this high-speed rail that's going to go all the way to Singapore, it made it to Ventian, and they're just now working it out with Thailand to put a bridge over the Mekong and put that high-speed rail all the way to Bangkok and then Kuala Lumpur and then all the way down to Singapore.
It really did make that trip quite quick, which would have been a day on a bumpy road.
I mean, that trip I took in a minivan from Phon Saavon to Luang Prabang was one of the hardest roads I've ever been on.
Not only were we packed in there with like sardines, but the road from all the trucks going over it just chewed up all the pavement.
So it was mostly dirt roads with potholes.
There was a time we all had to get out of the car to get the minivan over the road.
And, um, The other part of the road, the Chinese are putting in a superhighway.
It's already completed from Vientiane, the capital, to Val Vieng.
Another really cool Adventure sports area where there's all these caves.
You can swim through the caves and it's really a beautiful area.
But Laos had once been like Africa and all of Southeast Asia.
There were mega fauna and mega flora.
Right.
Many of those big animals.
The name of Laos was a land of a million elephants.
And now there's only five or six hundred wild elephants that are remaining.
There used to be giant pythons that were 30 feet long that could kill a human, as well as the Southeast Asian tiger, nearly extinct.
Yeah.
So a lot of these animals got wholesale wiped out, not only during the Vietnam War, but a lot of them.
And there are gibbon monkeys there that are also on the verge of extinction because they still hunt wild animals for food there.
And they're trying to change.
Okay.
So they are setting up national parks and preserves.
We went to one during the post trip after the ATF and stayed in a rainforest hotel.
It was beautiful.
And it did rain, too.
But I'm sure it looks like an area, you know, that's very a lot of moisture in that area, I would say.
So okay let's let's kind of make a transition because I told you I'd like to cover some other topics and this is fascinating and I appreciate it because we don't often get a look even that close at that area of the world but
Moving into things that are actually sort of escalating as we speak, do you have any thoughts about, you know, Tucker going over to interview Putin and some of the things that, I don't know if you went anywhere on this trip, whether you just went to the Southeast Asia area or whether you went through any other places on your way back or any thoughts in general?
Well, did you see that Zelensky said that now Tucker Carlson is a marked man that he put out.
What a psycho.
Yeah.
Well, I can't wait to watch that interview.
I've read some of the transcripts.
Yeah, I can't either.
But we were looking earlier today and couldn't find it.
So I guess it's not out yet.
Yeah.
I just said that saw that the transcripts were up on before it's news.
So I think they're waiting on Twitter X. Yeah, I think everyone's dying to see that.
Well, there's again, there's reason I said this on another show.
I don't know how you would feel about it.
But my thought is that this is a preliminary sort of gesture, a white hat gesture to try to expose the fact that Putin
In a certain sense, was doing a kind of a service in invading the Ukraine to expose the experimental labs underground and a lot of the child trafficking, the whole place being a centralized point for the sort of dark side and child trafficking, human trafficking, as well as gun running,
Which is alive and well because we send them billions and then they can they go out and give the guns to other people.
It's like amazing.
You know, what an operation, you know.
One of the good things about traveling, Carrie, to a faraway place like this is talking to some of the locals.
Yeah.
And getting their perspective on things.
I agree.
Like I said, they know that the border's open.
They know that we've got this puppet presidency.
It's amazing how informed a lot of people are overseas.
Yes.
Surprisingly, even more so than our own fellow Americans.
I agree.
I always find that I find I'm always we talk to taxi drivers as well, you know, whenever we travel and, you know, they're just so well informed.
It's amazing.
Much more so than your average American that just goes on with their life and goes to work and comes home every day and isn't really paying attention to some of the the key things that are happening around us.
But again, wondering, you know, other than that, did you happen to go through France at all?
Well, this trip I was flying over the Pacific.
I did get stamped to Taipei just for that one overnight, but I couldn't really leave the airport.
I sort of wandered outside a little bit.
Didn't really go anywhere except for, well, the Bangkok airport, but the whole three weeks in Laos on this trip.
So you didn't go to China, I take it?
No.
Flew over it, just a part of it.
I think, don't shoot our plane down!
Right, exactly.
Remember that Korean flight that got shot down by the Chinese, what was it, in the 1980s?
Not.
I mean, MH370 comes to mind a lot sooner than that, but I appreciate, you know, whatever.
Well, I got a threat when I was in Hong Kong.
You know, I spoke in Hong Kong.
Threat by the Chinese?
Yeah, from the Chinese.
Were they offended by?
Me, everything I talk about, you know, I mean, I had, it was amazing.
The people treated me so well and, or us, there were two, you know, I had a partner at the time and I got a fortune cookie in an Illuminati restaurant that was specially aimed at me, telling me not to go out after dark by myself.
Not your usual fortune cookie message.
So, you know, there were other things going on at that time.
I mean, in other words, they don't like They're very secretive people.
So this is part of the problem.
The West is secretive as well, but the culture of the East is based on secrecy.
It's going back, as you may know, eons.
But if you get close with the people, they're delightful.
So there's all that strange dichotomy of what's going on there.
Any other things that you might want to bring to the fore before we shut this down?
I don't want to go too long with you, but I want to give you a chance to say anything that you might have thought about or came across Yeah, just this whole connection with megalithic sites and the legend of the giants.
And I'll be at the Conscious Life Expo in LA this weekend and on Sunday at 10 a.m.
I'm giving my talk on the giants and the megaliths.
It is a real worldwide phenomenon that these elongated skulls have been found around the world.
Many buried right there at megalithic sites like Sacsayhuaman in Peru and Sacred Valley.
You can go to a museum in Paracas, Peru and see these elongated skulls.
They're not human.
And so this is why it's an esoteric subject is because here they are living amongst us Human-like, but not human.
30% larger cranial capacity with no central suture, 30% larger eyes, 30% larger spinal connection.
You could say 30% larger body to be a giant.
And this is a part of our history that has just been edited out.
Yes.
That's why all the in our country in America, they call it Smithsonian Gate because they would come in when they're digging up these giants and Johnny on the spot.
We're with the Smithsonian.
We'll take over this dig here.
I profile a dig in Lake Delavan, southern Wisconsin, in my book, Beyond Esoteric, where they had the professors of archaeology from Beloit College finding these giants right along the side of Delavan Lake.
And the news started getting out, local newspaper, and then finally it got into New York Times.
And just like that, Smithsonian said, all right, we're taking over this dig.
And they said, well, we really would like to follow up and find out what you discovered with the rest of this finding.
When they tried to contact him a couple months later, he said, we don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And so the theory is they just dropped him in the ocean.
They just, out of sight, out of mind, just get rid of it.
And that's a travesty of our history to deny this period where these giants could have lived concurrently.
So you mentioned about possibly the Plain of Jars being a receptacle for humans.
They were definitely in my state of Nevada.
Sarah Winnemucca was a Paiute elder in her family.
She wrote her memoirs in the 19th century, and she spoke about the Paiute Indians at war with giants.
They called them Satika.
Oh, right.
The Lovelock Cave was the final battleground, and the last of the giants got in there and avalanched the entrance and then lit fires to smoke them out, to suffocate them.
And indeed, in the 1930s, they were quarrying guano, which is bat excrement, and then finding all these giant bodies, many of them mummified and buried with funerary objects.
So they were actually a very sophisticated culture as well.
And I've been on the hunt for anything giant related in Nevada, and I walk into a museum and win a buck or elsewhere.
Well, you know, there's a giant statue in England.
I don't know if you ever went there.
In actually a museum.
I forget what it's called.
It's a medical museum.
And they actually have a whole skeleton that's standing up.
And that's, you know, definitely, I mean, I don't know.
Maybe nine feet, maybe taller, 12 feet, but it's a giant skeleton and we saw that in person.
Another thing they have, which is in Egypt, there's a museum there that actually has these photographs that are very real photographs, right?
And they have these giants that they found being buried there that, you know, their legs, their knees are bent, you know, but they're gigantic.
And that was amazing as well.
So, you know, you can find these nooks and crannies every once in a while, somewhere where someone has gotten something.
I know that Hugh Newman and Jim Vieira, I believe, I interviewed them years ago.
And they went on the hunt and they dealt with the Smithsonian and all the secrecy there.
Oh, yeah.
Tremendous amount of secrecy on planet Earth, right?
As to our heritage and what really went on and just incredible.
And the Longheads is, you know, there are Longheads in Malta that were found in Malta and other places.
Yeah, that's right.
North America, so on and so forth.
But yes, it's Wow, it's a huge subject and requires a really incredible painstaking investigation, I would say.
The reason we don't have megalithic Buildings in North America, at least in the Midwest, where you have the giant mound sites, is because they just didn't have quarries for stone, so they built everything out of earthen mounds.
I was at the Journey to Truth conference last year, and I'll be a speaker then again this year in Grafton, Illinois, which is very close to the Cahokia Mounds, and we were filming a documentary that the Journey and Truth guys put out.
And we met a local historian.
He said, indeed, they found giant bones right next to Monk's Mound at Cahokia.
So it's one of those things where you have megaliths, where you have these ancient sites, you often have giants.
I think the word Lord is a throwback to the age when perhaps giants were ruling over the humans.
Isn't it interesting how that word is, Lord is our God, a landlord.
In England you have the House of Lords.
Yeah, very insane.
Well, all of this is has to be exposed, you know, in my view, but yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think also the idea, you know, that There's a perception that they're inhuman, you know, like not, they're not human.
So they're not, you know, they're not under God or source or whatever.
And I think that this is a misconception and a prejudice that's been built into the people.
I do know, you know, I know a certain person who actually has been taken to, you know, there are giants that are put into stasis and hidden and that there are some that supposedly are waking up.
And this particular person was trained to go in and deal with them.
I'm not sure how or what way, but that's what he told me.
And, you know, quite a fascinating interview that I did with him a long time ago.
And I show some pictures in my presentation on the Giants this Sunday.
Modern pictures of elongated skulls.
They do live among us, Carrie.
They're not extinct.
They're still here.
You remember Karen Hudez from the... Yeah, yeah.
She passed away in October 2022.
But 10 years ago, she dropped a bombshell and said it was the elongated skull people that really run the banking industry, that run the show on planet Earth.
And they don't want to be known.
They don't want to be seen.
Well, those, yeah, and sometimes you can classify those as Anunnaki, you know, or at least a branch of an Anunnaki.
And I think, you know, Brian, what's his, Forrester, he has a museum, you know, of the elongated skulls down south and all that.
Was it, is it in Peru?
Is that right?
Caracas, Peru.
Yep.
So, yeah, I mean, it's, it, it is very fascinating.
Anyway, so, well, thank you for coming on the show as always.
You're a fascinating guy.
You've got so much, you know, your brain is just like filled with so much that you've done so many explorations and I always feel like it's just the tip of the iceberg when I'm talking to you that there's so much more that you could be talking about.
It's great that you keep at it.
That's a really challenging thing to do.
Travel is very expensive.
It's daunting, but it's amazing.
I agree.
I love it.
Once you kind of have that, it's part of what you do.
Keep in touch.
It's great to hear that you're going to be speaking down.
I'm not going to be at the Conscious Life, but good luck to you.
Have fun.
We are both speakers at the Los Angeles event.
The Alien event.
The Alien event, yes.
And I do believe we're on a panel together.
That's right, on a Sunday.
We'll get together and have drinks and dinner.
Absolutely.
Hang out there too.
Exchange good old stories.
All right.
You take care, and thanks everyone for watching.
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