TOM DONGO: UFOS AND THE PARANORMAL - ALIENS AND SEDONA
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Thank you.
Thank you.
I've been sort of out of town for about a week, so it's been a good break.
But I am back and I've got Tom Dongo with me today.
He is a UFO veteran, really, a reporter from a long time ago.
And I just was able to connect with him, which is very exciting.
I'm very excited to hear what he's up to, what he's done over the last few years, and so on.
I'm going to go to my short bio here.
So hold on one second.
I'm going to bring this page up on the screen.
This will work, I hope.
You never know.
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So, right, so it's here and I've got that on my web.
This is broadcasting on Facebook Live and then will be uploaded to Rumble and Odyssey, where we have Project Hamlet channels, and then it will also be on my website.
As I say, so he is a longtime resident of Sedona, Arizona, a recognized world authority of the United States.
Basically UFOs, paranormal occurrences, remote viewer, and over the course of the years has been a key lecturer at numerous national and international conferences, including the International UFO Yeah, Kerry, let me read something else.
Somebody put that on the internet a long time ago, and I don't know...
Tom Dongo is widely recognized as one of America's leading experts on the paranormal, UFOs, and extraterrestrials.
Yeah, this one you're reading is not up to date at all.
I'm sorry.
No, no, it's all right.
No, no.
So I'll read it.
Tom Dongo is widely recognized as one of America's leading experts on the paranormal, UFOs, and extraterrestrials.
He has authored eight books that focus on the paranormal, including his bestseller, the revised edition of Merging Dimensions.
Merging Dimensions examines the incredibly strange paranormal activity that takes place on the Bradshaw Ranch near Sedona, Arizona.
Dom Dongo has appeared on 33 national and international television shows.
He's now been heard on 80 worldwide broadcast radio shows, including Coast to Coast Live and The Kevin Smith Show, with a combined total listenership of over 50 million listeners.
He speaks widely and was a featured speaker at the International UFO Congress there.
All right.
I somehow didn't get that one.
All right.
Well, like I said, it's great to have you here and I think that people will be able to look up your work.
So, do you have a website where people can go?
Sorry, I don't know.
Well, you know, I get so deluged with requests that I really, I just deleted 22,000 emails.
So, basically, Facebook is the only way anybody can get in touch with me.
And I don't use my website.
I guess sometimes I get 100 emails a day and I can't keep up with it.
Believe me, I understand.
Okay, so now that we have you here, let's start with sort of how you got into the whole UFO situation and, you know, did you have a personal sighting, etc., and then we'll go into some of your books and whatnot.
Okay, we can Like I say, this is the 80th time I've been on World Wide Radio, so we can talk about any subject.
Ghosts, UFOs, remote viewing.
Actually, remote viewing has been my big thing lately.
I'm kind of famous about it.
So every time I do something, it turns into a remote viewing talk.
But at any rate, I lived in Sedona, I live in Cottonwood now, Arizona, and when I first moved to, I had no interest in UFOs or the paranormal or extraterrestrials at all until I came here.
And I've had some experiences where I grew up in Maine, very strange red craft sightings, you know, in the middle of the night and that sort of thing.
But when I came to Sedona, Sedona is a very strange place.
I've written eight books, and most of them are about Sedona.
So anyway, I got here, and right and left I was hearing stories about UFOs and just strange happenings.
I wrote a book, and it wasn't meant to be a book.
around and uh i i ended up uh talking i got i wrote a book and uh it wasn't it wasn't meant to be a book it was supposed to it was intent in the intention was for it to be a period periodical and a little magazine for a month and a woman took it and made it a a a book she because she was going into the book business
and that that's that that uh that that that's called the mysteries of sadonians and it's sold now about 71 000 copies and and it's still going 36 years later so So anyway, that started the whole thing, and then I got into my next book, which was Alien Tide, and I was running into stories right and left.
I couldn't keep up with the stories, and then suddenly It just fizzled.
I had no witnesses or information or whatever.
So I put out the word that if anybody had any UFO stories or any encounters, that went around and I got flooded with stuff.
And I ended up interviewing probably three to four hundred contactees and abductees over the next couple of years.
I don't think there are many people that have interviewed more people about contactees than I have.
Very few, anyway, because I was at it for years.
So, anyway, that started me up, and eight books later I'm still going.
And I'm under a non-disclosure agreement, but there was a show down here And it's going to be... I've got to be careful what I say.
It's going to be on the History Channel.
It's a new series.
It's basically all about me.
It's going to be broadcast sometime in June.
I'm not sure when, but it's going to be a mind-blower.
So anyway, I already got in trouble about this once.
I can't say too much about it, but it's all my stuff, basically.
There's a camera crew here for three weeks filming, so I'm a big part of it.
So anyway, that's what started it.
It's been quite an adventure for sure.
I've talked about retiring a few times.
I say, "No, I can't do this anymore." I'm 78 years old, so I'm just going to back out of it slow.
And I was talking to Jimmy Church.
I was on a Jimmy Church show, and Jimmy said, no, no, you can't do that.
You're not going to do that.
So I said, oh, OK, maybe not.
So it keeps me busy talking about this stuff.
So I was just at two shows here in Sedona.
Two conferences.
One was three days and one was two days.
We had a heck of a good time.
So anyway, that's kind of my beginning story.
Now, can you talk about the Bradford Ranch since you've written books about that and get into that a bit for my audience?
Yeah, the Bradshaw Ranch.
The whole thing is going to be about the Bradshaw Ranch.
Yeah, the other day, one of the speakers, he called in.
It was a prearranged thing.
I think he was CIA, to tell you the truth.
I didn't know who he was, and nobody would tell me.
But by the stuff he said, she said my name, Tom Dongo, and the guy gets all excited.
He said, you know, he's right.
Everything he writes about is true.
It's accurate.
And he went on and on, and this is my best-selling book here, The Merging Dimensions.
And this book, on Coast to Coast, they said that this book started the whole Skinwalker Ranch thing.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they talked about it for about an hour on Coast to Coast one night, Tim Beckley and George Knapp.
And they said that book started the whole thing with Skinwalker Ranch.
Okay, well, how did Bradshaw Ranch compare to Skinwalker?
Were there differences?
Or was a lot of the same?
Because I'm probably more familiar with Skinwalker.
Well, it's the same but different.
You know, the Skinwalker, I'm very familiar with.
I know Brandon Fugle.
He's a great guy.
He's a friend of mine.
I talked to Brandon and some of the Skinwalker guys.
The Bradshaw Ranch is the same but different.
I think the Skinwalker Ranch has had some pretty bad things happen there.
I mean, if you read the book that George Knapp wrote, it's pretty scary stuff.
It really is.
And so, nobody on the Bradshaw Ranch, it's really flaring up out there again, all the activity, and the government owns it.
And they bought it, and the government owns it now, so it's not closed, but there's no guards out there anymore.
So, nothing bad ever happened on the Bradshaw Ranch in Skinwalker.
There's been a lot of bad things happen on the Skinwalker Ranch.
Okay.
So, what drew you, or how did the whole Bradshaw Ranch story start, and what year?
Do you know what year?
Yeah, you know, I heard about all the things going on out there, and I got a letter from Linda Bradshaw one time, and she said, we know your reputation as being a researcher, and would you come out and spend some time at the ranch?
Of course I was, you know, I was boots over the top of the hill, you know, as soon as I could get there.
But she sent me some photographs, and they were orb photographs.
In fact, they were the first orb photographs in the world.
Linda Bradshaw and Linda Crystal in Pine Bush, New York, They started the whole orb thing around the world, and from Linda Bradshaw and the other Linda in New York, orb photography spread around the world within a couple of months.
And so anyway, she showed me these orb photographs, and so I went out there, and I spent four and a half years out there, two or three times a week, So, and the phenomenon that happened, I've seen countless UFOs out there, and I used to get out of there at 1 o'clock in the morning About, I was tired and hungry and not in a great mood, you know, and that's usually when things happen.
So, I mean, I've had UFOs waiting for me many times, and I'm going, what the hell am I going to do now?
I'm sitting there in my car, my van, looking at them.
What am I going to do?
Am I going to keep going?
Because they're just sitting out there.
So, I say, yeah, okay, I'm going to... So, they would usually disappear, and a few times they didn't.
The Travel Channel did a reenactment of one of my more bizarre experiences with an alien spacecraft.
And it was alien.
It wasn't one of ours.
I'll tell a story real quick.
I was coming out of the Bradshaw Ranch.
It was about one o'clock in the morning, and it was about six miles from the Bradshaw Ranch on a very bad dirt road to Sedona.
So, you know, I'd been interviewing all these abductees, and so I was very familiar with abduction scenarios, very familiar.
So this white orb, it was about 50 feet across, it was all white, but you know, the white and the orange or whatever is a propulsion system ...ignited, and there's a ship inside of it, usually a disc.
So anyway, this thing's pacing me low through the woods, you know, and I used a bunch of four-letter words, and I said, don't even try anything with me!
Don't even try it!
And the thing flew off!
So I thought, oh good, good, I don't have to worry about that.
So I went about another mile, and I...
Here it is sitting there waiting for me.
It was about 50 feet across, with multi-colored flashing lights all around it, and it wasn't one of ours.
And I realized then that they'd been reading my mind, they'd been listening to my mind, my thoughts, all the time.
So I'm sitting there in my van, so I get out, and I stand in front of my van, I'm looking at this thing, it's not even 100 yards away, and I said, I am just not in the mood for this kind of blank tonight.
I was tired and hungry.
And so the thing stopped.
It was going this exact same speed I was, maybe 20 miles an hour, and it stopped, and it sat there for about five seconds, and then in a blink of an eye, it was gone over the horizon.
So I'm sitting there, and I'm standing there in front of my van, kind of stunned, and I realize they've been listening to my thoughts all along.
So the Travel Channel did a nice reenactment of this.
It was really cool.
So a million times I wondered if I'd have kept going, it would have met me at Doe Pass, Doe Mesa.
If they were going to hurt me, they could have done it a hundred times on the way, so obviously they weren't out to hurt me.
But I wonder, who were they?
What did they want?
So I really blew it.
If I'd have realized what was going on, I would have kept going and met this ship.
And it was not one of ours.
It was for sure alien.
And another instance, I was doing tours, and I had six people in my van, and an orange UFO flew over the top of my van within 20 feet.
It was that close.
So naturally all my cameras were put away so we jumped out and watched it and it floated like a feather.
It just floated.
It didn't make a sound.
And we watched it go down towards Cottonwood, and then it went up about 2,000 feet and turned white, brilliant white, and then came back down.
You could see it going behind the trees.
And I think from then it just shot up, you know, you couldn't see it.
So that thing was absolutely not anything that ever came from this world.
It was all orange.
So anyway, yeah.
So in terms of the encounters you've had, it sounds like, you know, I lived in Sedona actually for, I think it was about nine months to a little less than a year.
This is several years ago.
I lived out at near Red Rock, that area.
So I don't know where Bradshaw Ranch is in respect to that.
Maybe you could explain and then let me know if, what kind of beings have you come across?
Well, yeah.
Bradshaw Ranch is about 8 miles from Sedona.
Well, it's actually between Cottonwood and Sedona, but it's out about 3 miles.
Two miles so it's halfway between cottonwood and stone and it's out about two miles.
It's all by itself There's nothing around it.
Okay, and it was it was bought by the I was out there with a Japanese camera crew one time and I was always constantly dealing with camera crews and it said the nice big sign that said no trespassing trespassers will be we Prosecutor to the full extent of federal law.
And I said, hey, you guys get to make sure you get a good shot of that before we go over the fence.
So the Japanese cameraman are out there taking this warning sign from the US government.
And then we went, we spent some time, we spent quite a bit of time at the ranch and some strange things happen.
All this strange sounds and whatnot, but.
My main study for the last 40 years has been human extraterrestrials.
That's all the stuff I talk about, but that's been my main focus is human extraterrestrials.
And the people say, well, I just heard this story, somebody's been spending millions of dollars somewhere, I think it's in California, so they make a landing pad for aliens, hoping that's going to draw them.
I said, they're already here!
Because I've interviewed so many people.
You know, Wendell Stevens, Bob Dean, you name it.
I've talked to these guys, and they've had a lot of experiences with human extraterrestrials.
And from my own research, I say there's about 17 different races of human extraterrestrials here, and about 125 humanoid.
And I've met three friends.
Four, face-to-face, actually.
One was when we were When we were at the Alamo, you and I spoke at the Alamo in Nevada, Charles Hall was there.
He talked about the tall whites.
Yes.
Other research I've done about the tall whites, they don't like us, universally.
They're on the planet, supposedly their main base is in Nevada, above Area 51.
Right.
But anyway, I was actually at Safeway Shopping Center, 9 o'clock at night, and so I was on a show one night, and Augie Noss said, one of you is invisible.
Either you were, or they were, or something.
Somebody was invisible, because they didn't see me, and I was five feet from both of them.
But anyway, and the people were walking by, and they didn't see them.
And the tall white girl, I'm six foot two, and she was the same height as me.
Her skin was as white as linen.
And she had black hair, all black clothes, and she had wraparound sunglasses at nine o'clock at night, so nobody could see her eyes.
And she was standing there totally terrified.
She was just huddled like this.
She couldn't move.
And so the guy she was with was probably a Nordic.
He was about, I always say, about Brad Olsen's size.
He was about 6'5".
And he had one green eye and one blue eye, like a Siberian husky.
And so he came over, and neither one of them looked at me once, but I had a chance to study her.
And she was not human, absolutely not human, neither was he.
So he came over and just took her by the arm and gently let her off.
And so she got a car, and everybody says, well, what did they buy?
What did they buy?
And I want to say Bad Hamburger and Twinkies and Orange Soda, you know, but I'm joking.
So anyway, I watched them for a while.
They were going down the aisle.
They take stuff off the shelves and look at it, and you could tell they were saying, they were saying, humans actually eat this crap.
And they put it back.
You could tell.
They'd be looking at it like this.
They'd be looking at each other.
You could tell they were saying, humans actually eat this crap.
So they never bought anything.
She just pushed the cart around.
And I had to go because it was getting late for me, so I had to leave.
And they were still there when I left, but they were...
I was five feet from that tall white woman.
It was quite an experience.
I met Charles Hall, but his wife would not let me interview him.
In fact, she wouldn't let me talk to him.
And they say she was, or is, maybe still his handler.
But did you ever get a chance to talk to Charles?
Same thing, his wife dominated him and he didn't, I couldn't get near it.
Yeah, so that was part of that deal.
But, all right, and have you ever, you know, seen or met any ETs that are not human?
You say you've got humanoid that you think you've met.
So, and you might tell us what you think is the distinction between humanist ETs and you know, humanoid ETs, because usually there's just humans and there's humanoids.
So which, how are you looking at the difference?
Well, okay, I'm called one of the world's best remote viewers, Most of the stuff I talk about these days is remote viewing.
Maureen St.
Germain and I taught it.
We were very good at it.
Maureen taught the government version of remote viewing, and I taught what she called the Tom Dongle method, and it worked perfect.
So, we trained about 13 people out of 50.
Really caught it.
It really took off.
They turned out to be great remote viewers.
So, I use remote viewing a lot.
I've told this story about 10,000 times and nobody ever gets tired of it, but I'll tell you this one.
I've gone out on an alien spacecraft.
It's easy for me.
I can go into the past, I can go into the future.
Remote viewing is projecting your subconscious to a place.
Time and distance has no meaning.
You know, you can go to the past, you can go to the future, you can go out into space.
So anyway, I was standing next to Joe McMonigle, and at the time he was the government's top remote viewer.
I have been going out into space and visiting alien spacecraft.
They were all humanoid.
None of them were human.
They had one head, two arms, two legs.
Humanoid.
And most of these beings are probably around a million years in advance of us.
I mean, we're cucumbers compared to To them.
They have a really low opinion of us.
So anyway, I was doing that.
I was going out, because there are many alien spacecraft in orbit or on trade routes.
I talk about this, and it sounds so crazy sometimes, and I'll tell people, well prove me wrong.
If you prove me wrong, that's the end of it.
Everything I say I can prove somehow, there's some kind of basis, some kind of black and white research.
So anyway, Joe McMullin was standing right next to me and he said, you know, me and all the government remote viewers, and I know a number of government remote viewers, I've taught them my technique.
So anyway, so Joe, he's telling this story about, he was out in the space, and when you get near an alien spacecraft out there, if you get a bad feeling about it, stay away quick, go away quick, because they don't fool around.
Oh, if you get a friendly feeling about it, if you get closer and closer and closer, and it feels kind of homey and kind of friendly, well, just go into it.
In remote viewing, you just drift through the walls.
And I've done it a bunch of times, and they can see you instantly.
They'll look up, and they'll say, Oh, another human, another damn human.
So anyway, Joe, He got threatened.
They warned him to stay away.
We don't want you any closer.
So he went onto the ship.
So what did they do?
They grabbed him and put him in a glass cage and wouldn't let him go.
He did two terms in Vietnam.
He got shot up pretty bad.
He said that was as terrifying as any of his Vietnam experiences, so I'm thinking, well, I'm not crazy after all!
I'm not insane.
There's a lot of stuff I've done, I've got to be insane, as I thought.
So anyway...
Anyway, so they finally let him go, and I thought, what a fool!
I mean, I was thinking, you know, what a mistake for an established remote viewer like him could make!
Total mistake!
So, anyway, it's not hard to do, really.
There are like a million miles out in orbit around the Earth.
They're not real close.
But it's not hard, it really isn't.
So, anyway, I've done a lot of crazy stuff like that.
A lot of times, when I was on one of these ships, I saw this guy, he was a humanoid, he was not human at all, and I said, Hey, would you mind if I probed your mind, just for the heck of it?
You know, the difference between you and me, and he kind of said, yeah, go ahead, have at it.
So I could only penetrate his mind about 10%, but it was enough to know that they are so far advanced from us, we don't have the intellect to comprehend how intelligent they are.
We just don't.
I don't.
But they're so far ahead of us, and their minds are so powerful, because they don't use their hands, they're using their minds to create things, move things, or whatever.
So anyway, that was quite an experience, because I could only penetrate his mind about 10 degrees, or 10%, a little bit, you know.
And at the time, I was very good at reading people's minds and telling them their whole life, you know, in five seconds.
But that's as good as I could get with that guy.
All right.
Now, in terms of the humanoid versus the reptilian, have you ever come across the reptilians?
You know, I have a lot of... I'm going to disagree that any of the aliens are our enemies, even Even the reptilians.
All the remote viewing I've done, I've never found any kind of real evidence that they're our enemies.
One time I was remote viewing, I wanted to go and find the worst of the worst, the ones everybody calls the bad guys, you know, the black hats, And I found them.
There were about eight of them, and I could tell they were thinking, should we kill him?
But because you have the cojones to look for them, they honor that.
that.
They leave you alone.
I did a talk the other day to a large group of people, and I can tell how powerful humans are.
I I mean, you know, I made the joke that we're a bunch of cheeseburgers hanging around just waiting to be eaten, and to me that's about it, because we're not using the abilities we have.
I mean, we're born with power.
Our minds are very, very powerful, because I can see it, but hardly anybody's using it.
Religion or whatever is keeping them from developing this, and so I've been—the last few years, I've done everything I could to promote remote viewing, and these people that are charging $5,000 a head, it's not fair.
I give it away whenever I can, and there have been some shows I've been on where there have been 2 or 3 million listeners, and I've tried to train 2 or 3 million people how to do it.
And so nobody's ever gotten back to me, but I gave it my best shot, because I wanted, if people could see what I see and what I know from remote viewing, you know, this world would be a different place in days.
Yes, I agree.
Well, I do remote viewing as well, and it works fine.
Yeah, sure.
And I think that there is a lot of knowledge to be gained there, so it's great to hear that you've gone far down that road.
Now, there are a lot of various species out there, as you know.
There's also the greys.
Have you been dealing with the greys over the years?
And can you tell, when you're approached by a ship, who it belongs to?
Are you able to do that?
You know, I really haven't been concerned much about that, the Dracos, the Reptilians, you know, whatever.
It's just the fact that they're aliens is mostly what I've been interested in.
You know, I'm going to agree with some of the top researchers that no aliens are enemies, but there's something else out there.
I just recently started telling this story, and I reluctantly talked about this, but The Missing 400, Polides, There's been about 4,000 people disappear in national parks around the world, it's not just this country.
Oh yeah, I think it's actually larger than that, but go ahead.
Yeah, probably is, probably much larger than that.
So I would get, you know, the people would be walking along and somebody would be in front of them and just blink, they'd be gone.
So I In one case, there was a five-year-old boy, and I knew he was going to disappear, so I got behind him, and I followed him.
And somebody on that show asked, did you go up, or did you go down?
I said, that's a good question.
It was up very fast, every time.
But then, see, what happens is, Remote viewing, you're going along real fast, and you hit a block.
It's a wall.
About 20 years ago, I was in Denver, and General Stubblebine had the government's best remote viewers there.
And he said, none of us can get past that block.
And I wanted to jump up and down and wave my hand.
I said, yeah, I want to say I can do it.
But I kept my mouth shut.
And it's an actual block.
I got blocked, but when David Politi's book, The Missing 400, he told exactly where somebody disappeared and what they looked like, so I was able to find the spot and trace it from there.
And I hate to say this, but every single one of those people are dead.
They're all dead.
Anyway, so I... I'm not sure where you come to the conclusion they're not our enemies, but then you come up with something like that.
So, the same thing with McMoneagle.
If they captured him, they put him in a container.
In other words, there are some what we call negatively oriented ETs out there.
Some that don't have our best interests at heart, as far as I'm concerned.
But, and I think the military is very well aware of this.
I do think that there is a way that you can approach even the negative ETs in sort of a non-combatant stance to where they may leave you alone, but if they decide you're prey, if they decide they want to, because they do feed on our glandular structures and the organ and so on, so there's no doubt about that.
I assume you know that, right?
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Now, what about Dulce?
Have you ever gotten into investigating Dulce at all?
You know, some things I can't penetrate, and Dulce, I need to go back and finish that other story.
No, no, yeah, no, no.
So, I was following this guy That disappeared, and they never found him again.
But I suddenly got blocked.
Somebody slammed on my brakes, and I heard this voice that said, this is as far as you go.
You're going to go.
So I'm with Charles Ford in 1920.
We are somebody's herd of cattle.
I agree with that.
So anyway, I'm standing there looking at this, it's an actual block, it's a wall, and I'm looking at it, and I say, should I sneak around it?
And then the voice said, don't even try it.
So, who, what is on the other side of that wall, and what is it that they don't want us to see?
That bothers me a lot.
Okay, are you aware of the AI component running basically the reptilians and a lot of races out there?
Have you encountered the AI?
Because the block is most likely coming from the AI.
So have you How far have you gone with understanding and penetrating the AI?
Because we have visiting AIs as well.
I don't know how much you're familiar with my work, but I have evidence to that effect.
What's your experience with AI?
Well, Dan Block is a friend of mine.
He teaches in universities about artificial intelligence.
And I think, you know, somebody said on the internet the other day, what if an alien race species is coming?
Because artificial intelligence here now is sentient.
It has consciousness.
These computers on our planet have developed a consciousness.
They're thinking.
Yeah, they're thinking beings now.
But he said, what if an alien race is coming from outer space, and they try to contact us, and they contact artificial intelligence instead of us humans?
That's an interesting thought.
So, anyway, that's something that bothers me a lot, how far people- you know, I've been Talking to hundreds and hundreds of people and audiences, and I said, who knows what artificial intelligence is?
Maybe a third of them will raise their hands.
Or what is remote viewing?
So that means the others have no idea what it is, not even any comprehension about what it is.
So, we're in trouble right there, because nobody has any understanding.
Yeah, for sure.
My witness testimony about AI is quite substantial over the years, and I consider myself lucky in that regard.
Are you familiar with the Nazca alien story?
The Nazca Peru, the Nazca aliens they found there?
Oh yeah.
The latest I've read about that is it's a hoax.
They're not real.
Okay, well it is real.
I have witnesses on that.
And they contain breastplates that indicate that they are artificial intelligence.
They're small and they're little robots, basically.
But there is this Female called Maria and expert remote viewers also went into that story.
And I published those, my interview with them on my website and their interviews they've done also with other people.
And I guess you know Gaia TV, right?
So they, you know, Jay Widener, You must know Jay, right?
And Jay went down there.
So this is a real story.
This is not a hoax.
But they would probably be putting that out there because they don't want... I was told by a remote viewer that they never want the truth about that story to get out.
Oh, I'm sure.
And the reason is because it indicates that thousands of years ago we already had alien AI coming to this planet.
You see where we are.
And in all likelihood, our development of AI is big piggybacked on alien AI that has been found here and encountered here.
So that's worth being aware of.
So, all right, well, let's come back to Sedona because that's really your area of research, right?
That's where you concentrated in the world.
Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, and can you talk about your encounters with positive beings, and what, if anything, they have told you about the future of humanity?
Well, yeah, I talk about that a lot.
You know, I can't... it was Lynn Buchanan said, if you brought view into the future, you change it.
Yeah, so I kind of agree with that, but I can't remote view the future.
All I see is chaos.
It's pieces.
But I can go into the past and see everything as it was, clearly, and describe it.
But if I try to go into the future, I can't do it.
Fragments.
So it's probably in a flux right now, the future.
That may be.
I am a precog.
I do see the future, but I see it in fragments, as you say.
So it's not, you know, it's not laid out, you know, not linear.
That's also time in general, right?
Which is part of our perception of time.
It's skewed.
We don't understand time because we think it's linear.
When remote viewers talk about the future, they talk in terms of events rather than actual time, because it's almost impossible to discuss time and to target a particular time.
It's difficult, as you've probably encountered.
But my real question was whether you encountered Extraterrestrials, whether they be human-based or humanoid or other kinds of beings, whether they ever gave you any kind of information about the future?
No.
And the people that I know that have asked that question of extraterrestrials, the extraterrestrials are real vague about it.
They're not specific.
I've interviewed a number of people and they beat around the bush.
They don't come right to the point.
I haven't personally, no.
Okay, well, let's go back to Bradshaw Ranch for a minute, just because I'm really interested in hearing how you think that emerged, that situation.
Is there a vortex or a series of vortexes?
Are you able to sense vortexes, first of all?
And did you become aware of vortexes at that ranch?
There are hundreds of vortexes around Sedona.
If you go back into the canyons... Yes, we know that.
They're everywhere.
Yeah, well they're advertised for tourists to go visit.
Yeah, right.
Cathedral Rock and... But I mean specifically Bradshaw Ranch, because this is where you'll have a doorway between this dimension and others.
So I just was wondering, did you go there?
Are you aware of where the vortexes are?
That kind of thing.
Well, you know, Skinwalker and Bradshaw, they're so similar.
And the thing is, if you read my book and Linda Bradshaw's book, I never, no, A Vortex on the Bradshaw Ranch, no, I've never seen, but there was a portal there.
It was it was about 50 feet.
Another word for portal.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, there's definitely a portal there.
We could feel sometimes I used to joke that we felt like we were in Times Square in New York with all these things going around us.
Linda could really feel it more than I could.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Well, her book sounds a little familiar.
I'm not sure.
Maybe I read it in the past.
I'd love to read your version of events out there, so I'll try to get a hold of your book.
But can you tell us anything, like, what are some of your most earth-shaking stories that happened to you and or happened to someone that you interviewed?
I've interviewed thousands of people as well, and so I have heard a lot of stories, but I'm sure our audience would love to hear some ones that really stick out for the listener.
Well, the weirdest thing that ever happened on the Bradshaw Ranch, Linda and I were out there one night, and they had seven dogs.
If a dog wandered on the ranch, they would just keep it.
So, the dogs in the winter, they would dig into the sand.
It was all beach sand around there, because the oceans have come and gone seven times here.
So, it was all beach sand around the ranch house.
The dogs would dig into it in the winter to keep warm, and in the summer to keep cool.
So, you had to be careful you don't trip over a dog, you know, when you were walking around.
So, anyway, we heard a sound one night, and we were trying to... I said, Linda, does that sound like a mountain lion or a javelina or something else?
And it kept making these sounds.
And we couldn't figure it out, but it was following a creek down around the side of the ranch, a dry creek.
And it finally got a hundred yards from us, and it roared like an African lion.
I mean, the thing was, Whatever it was, it was big.
So all the dogs jumped up simultaneously and charged it.
And I said, oh boy, now we're going to get dogs getting ripped to shreds.
And there was no sound.
So the dogs knew it.
I say this because now I can prove it, because the dogs chased it.
It's not something I imagined, me and Linda imagined.
So the dogs came back about 15 minutes later.
They were just trotting back and dug back into the sand.
And then the horses, and I've asked a lot of horse people, Because I want to know.
They had a corral at the south end of the ranch and one at the north end of the ranch.
There was about 8 horses in each.
And the horses were screaming like a woman being murdered.
That's what it sounded like.
So this thing was getting closer, especially the southern corral.
And the horses were trying to kick their way out.
There was 2x10 boards.
The corral was made of 2x10 boards.
And they were trying to kick their way out.
And they were screaming even more, because we knew it was close.
And then they stopped.
So Linda and I, my spotlight was still charged, but hers was dead, so we walked down as far as we could, because we thought it was in the trees near the corral, but it wasn't.
It was up on the hill looking down at us.
And his head was just sticking up off the top of the hill, looking down at us.
And the thing was, whatever it was, a Bigfoot, I don't think it was a Bigfoot, but it was about 10 feet tall.
And the tracks, we went up there the next day, and the tracks were 72 inches.
I staked the tracks out.
I had a nice photograph of them.
Yeah.
So anyway, my stride is 27 inches.
I'm 6'2", and this thing was 72 inches.
So we had all the tracks staked out where it went by the horse corral.
And so it probably weighed around 1,000 pounds.
That's what our guess was.
So that was the scariest thing that ever happened for me and Linda on the ranch.
That is amazing.
Did you, are you aware of the Anunnaki?
And have you seen the Anunnaki in Sedona?
No.
Okay.
No.
I have had an encounter with Anunnaki there.
Very large beings.
And there, I believe there are also giants.
So you could have had one of the giants come through the portal, right?
Oh, yeah, entirely possible.
And, you know, Linda, there was one there, a white Bigfoot on the ranch, and it was seen by a bunch of people.
Oh, yeah.
And she called it Big Girl.
And so in the ensuing years, People, tourists that come down there come out, and there's giant handprints on the car.
They dip their hands in water.
I had a woman from Canada on a tour, and she showed me the handprint on her new car with mud.
It was a perfect Bigfoot.
Handprint.
So I said, I knew I wasn't going to get a copy of it, but I said, will you send me this so I can put it in my collection?
And she says, oh sure.
I never got it.
But it was a perfect, perfect handprint of a Bigfoot.
So they're still there.
Yeah, a number of people.
Incidentally, somebody has put scientific equipment on a hill at the Bradshaw Ranch, and it's government stuff.
Very sophisticated cameras and sun panels to charge it.
And it's very expensive, and a guy that went back there said, this is military, and this is very expensive stuff.
And one camera's aimed at the Radshah Ranch, and one's aimed straight up.
So what are they, you know, they're looking for something, but what?
You know, who?
What?
You know, that's the Well, they could be tracking incoming craft from everywhere, but I did have one secret witness tell me that, because you know, as I said, I lived there for, it wasn't a real long time, it was like nine months to a year, and they said you should never go back alone to Sedona.
That's what they said to me.
So, because I guess, and they're someone who has had lots of alien encounters, so there's something going on there.
And they have said that they experiment on the people that live in Sedona.
That's one of the things that goes on there.
And this is the military we're talking about.
Although I do believe the gray aliens, certain gray aliens, will also do experiments on humans, of course.
So have you encountered any greys?
You understand the typical grey that we use?
There's a lot of different, as you probably know, there are a lot of different versions of the greys, right?
So have you seen some of those?
No, but I interviewed a guy—this is about—we're running out of time.
I interviewed a guy about 15 years ago.
Secret Canyon in Sedona was one of the most mysterious, strange, weird places on Earth.
Secret Canyon.
And I asked Bob Bradshaw, who'd been here since 1949.
He says, I have no idea where that name came from.
At any rate, the guy was stationed in front of a secret canyon to keep people out, hikers.
So he got a little angry one day.
He said, I'm going to go in there and find out what the hell's going on.
So he went in just a little ways.
He walked around a boulder and there's a nine foot tall gray standing, perfect gray.
Nine feet tall.
So he beat it out of there, went to his supervisor, and, you know, said a few, you know, real impolite four-letter words, and thus he got fired, and then he disappeared a week later, and he's never been seen again.
I talked to his roommate, so somebody disappeared the guy.
That's the only story I know of Grace.
Okay, not such a nice... Well, if you're talking about Secret Canyon, are you talking about Enchantment?
Because Enchantment is a canyon, and there are a lot of secrets there.
Have you done some exploration in Enchantment?
Yeah, I have, recently even.
So much stuff that could be true, but it isn't.
The CIA guy that was on the show two days ago was talking about that.
There is a major crux of the whole thing.
is a major crux of the whole thing.
But you know, there have been, back when I was very much into this, I called them machine gun incidents.
There were many people, and I interviewed personally some of them.
Most of the time I had to go second or third person.
Got stopped at gunpoint, especially Secret Canyon.
And I checked with the military.
I have high-ranking military friends.
They said, oh yeah, those are all current military uniforms, but none of them had any patches, no insignia.
They were just uniform, and even some orange.
So, one colonel said, that means there were aircraft somewhere, and they were keeping people out of all the canyons.
These people ran into these machine gunner people in all the canyons.
One guy, his name was Light, and I actually got to interview him.
He was in Secret Canyon.
He was a real backpacker kind of a guy.
And he ran into three guys, about halfway, actually five guys.
And they had M-16s.
And he said, you know, there's military activities going on.
We've closed the area behind because, you know, it's off limits.
So the guy said, no, this is public property.
I'm going that way.
And the guy stuck the M-16 right in his face.
He says, you take one step and I'll pull the trigger.
Wow.
Yeah, so he wasn't joking.
And I talked to him in Apache.
Same thing happened.
He ran into six guys that had hoods on, on Secret Mountain.
This is a full-blooded Apache.
They all had guns, and they cut little trees for him.
They gave him the little trees and said, you drag your trail, drag your tracks as far back, and don't ever talk about this.
So he told me.
But they were all armed with machine guns, and they were obviously aliens, because they had masks over their faces.
They didn't want their faces to be seen.
But they were human-shaped.
Uh-huh.
Okay, well what do you mean, drag the trail?
They wanted the Apache to go in there and drag the trail?
Yeah, because the ground is very soft on Secret Mountain, so he wanted the Apache to cover up his tracks.
And they watched him, hundreds of yards, and they said, okay, you know, See you later, you know.
So, they made him cover his tracks.
I don't know why, but you know, they did.
That's interesting.
Well, now there is, you know, I won't keep you much longer, but I just want to ask you this one question.
Because I did study, and I've read the books about Skinwalker as well.
What happened with the latest, with Harry Reid, you know, the senator that wrote it, he wrote it with George Knapp, Right.
And I forget the other author's name.
It might have been Colm Kelleher.
Yeah, maybe.
But anyway, they talk about the fact that whatever they encountered at the ranch actually followed them home.
Yes, oh yes.
That's where they lived.
It does.
They do do that.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
But did you encounter that kind of situation?
Yes, but I'm aware of them so they don't bother me.
And after a while they leave.
They get bored and they leave.
But I've talked to people that have had hellish experiences because it went with them.
And it followed them back to wherever they were coming from.
That's possible.
That's why they wanted the Apache to cover his tracks.
Because they wanted to protect him, maybe.
So all right well that this is um you know really fascinating talking to you and of course Sedona is a fascinating place.
I go there on and off you know through the years even now I go back there a lot and uh always uh interesting encounters and and various Going on.
So, in terms of the people that you've been interviewing, are you hearing any new trends in the abductees or the contactees?
Are you hearing any new trends in what they're experiencing?
I wouldn't call it a trend, but there is a difference.
It's not like it was 10 years ago.
Okay.
But how that is, I really don't know.
I got to mention that there are 4 bases here.
I don't like to call them bases.
They're underground installations.
And I know where one of them is, and it's very dangerous.
The guy that told me about it and showed me the picture said, twice, the 2nd time he was there, they told him, you come back here again and we will kill you.
That's the quote.
Yeah.
I know exactly where it is and it's extremely dangerous.
What?
I mean, is it close to Sedona or is it far out?
No, it's actually more closer to Flagstaff.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
All right, well, so I think that's going to pique the curiosity a lot of my viewers are probably going to try to contact you and so on.
So are you still leading tours of Sedona at all?
No, I get asked all the time, but no, I'm Retired.
I'm too old.
I'm 78.
Did you ever meet and get to know Melinda Leslie?
Oh yeah, I know her well.
I often run into her when I'm in Sedona.
She's a great lady, and I really enjoyed knowing her.
Yeah, and I have interviewed her a few times actually.
For those listeners out there, if you want to know.
What about the To The Stars Academies people, which, you know, is Hal Puthoff and, you know, the various players.
Are you familiar with them?
Have they encountered you?
Have they tried to interview you or anything?
Putoff, yeah, somebody was talking about him the other day.
I really got into Ingo Swann and Russell Targ big time, but Putoff, no.
Okay.
No.
So, none of those guys really have come around you?
Not directly, no.
All right.
Are you interacting with some of the Native Americans in the area?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh heavily, oh yeah.
You got another two hours?
Yeah, oh yeah.
Cliff Mahoody, the Zuni Elder, was my best friend.
They found him dead about a year ago.
Cliff Mahoody, the Zuni Elder.
And we used to sit and talk.
And he was in charge of 280 tribes, because he worked for the government.
And so he knew everything.
So we talked a lot.
And Cliff would tell me things he wouldn't tell anybody else.
So, yeah, the Indians, the Apaches.
I have Apache friends that tell me about the extraterrestrials, the humanoids.
They see them a lot, but not human.
And then the Navajo.
Boy, I could tell you some stories about the Navajo, the stuff that happened up there.
You got another hour?
Well, we have time.
I mean, do you have a story you want to share before you go with us?
Yeah, real quick.
What about the Navajo?
This would have been about 15 years ago.
But the Indian Wells, it was pretty much the center of the Navajo Reservation, they had stuff, there were three types of aliens, and these people weren't lying, they weren't making this up, they had no reason to lie about this, but there were three types of aliens they saw a lot, often.
One was little black guys about two feet tall, and they were all black, their skin was jet black.
And then another one, what I call them the Ichabod Crane types, and they can speak English, but they would never show their faces.
And the girl, when the kids, the Navajo kids just take off.
They know about snakes and the whole thing.
And their parents don't worry about them.
They're gone all day or days or whatever.
And the one girl said that it was common for us to run into extraterrestrial groups just doing research, digging up plants and cutting twigs and all that.
And she said one time she got too close to her.
She said she was about five foot eight.
And she said they were the same shape as me, body-wise, but they had big, big black eyes and very gray skin.
And she would always say that they're not friends, but they're not our enemies either.
So anyway, she was saying she had two kids.
And she was telling me the story, and just as she was telling me the good part, the kids pulled the tablecloth off the table, and all the dishes went on the floor.
But she said that one of the aliens, she got too close to this group, there were about 12 of them, and they weren't human.
And one of them had like a cane in his hand, it raised the cane up, and she passed out.
So I was waiting.
Then what happened?
Then the kids pulled the tablecloth off and all the dishes smashed.
So that was the end of that interview, and I never got to see her again.
Oh, wow.
That's interesting.
So, they didn't want that information out there, I guess.
So, it sounds like, interesting, our pictures were frozen for the moment there.
So, that can be some alien interference.
So, did you go out to Indian Wells much?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I got to know them well.
And Peter Gersten was the UFO lawyer.
We were good friends, and Peter went up with us a couple of times.
And Peter Gersten does not believe in aliens.
And so there was a ship right there, and I said, Peter, look at that thing!
Look at it!
He's looking the other way.
Where, where?
What are you talking about?
I don't see anything.
I said, no, Peter, right there!
So they had these orbs that were floating all over the place up there at Indian Wells, and the Navajo police finally went up there and scared the hell out of them.
The three squad cars stayed for about two hours, and they scared the hell out of them.
So Peter went to the courthouse, and they never filed a report, but it was just what the Indians were telling them.
The aliens, the orbs, and the abductions.
They got abducted a number of times.
The little black guys came into a house, and they heard rustling around, and they hid under the covers, like a lot of people do.
And so they said that the light was penetrating the covers, and the next thing I knew, they said, the next thing we knew, we were floating.
We were going right through the roof of the house.
And that was it, that's all I remembered.
But the aliens messed with them a lot.
So the Navajo police didn't want to... they had proof, you know, the Navajos could prove it, but the Navajo police wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Right.
Well, okay, last question.
Have you been abducted?
Are you aware of being abducted?
I get asked that all the time.
You know, I don't think so.
You know, I have strange abilities.
The University of California, Berkeley, wanted me to come to Berkeley for two weeks.
They wanted to study me.
I'm so strange.
I have very strange abilities, remote viewing.
I can see into a human body like an x-ray machine.
I've landed on hundreds of people, even medical doctors, you know.
So, they wanted to study me for two weeks.
Sponsored by one of the professors, and I turned them down.
I found out they wanted to hypnotize me for two weeks, because it was all about extraterrestrials, and I'm glad I turned them down.
Okay, well I could be peppering you with questions for the next five hours, but I won't do that.
I want to conserve your energy for you there a little, and I'm sure that this is enough for the audience to get some interest.
So, where can people buy your books?
Well, Amazon now.
Most of my books are going out of print because my publisher is 88 years old and she's going to retire and close.
So, the only book that's been reprinted, it'll never be out of print because it's a bestseller, it's Merging Dimensions.
But all my other books are going out of print already.
So, I may go to Amazon and have them reprinted.
But Amazon, all my books are still on Amazon.
That's the only place.
All right, good to know.
Great.
So, Tom, it's great to reconnect with you.
I'd love to have you back on the show after you've done your television special, because you say you've got this filming going on and a show that's coming out soon.
It's going to be June 6th.
I'm probably okay talking about that.
June 6th at 10 o'clock at night.
All right, great.
History Channel.
Fascinating.
So, all right, well, I guess I'll let you go.
I guess one thing I would like to know, are you aware of this Project Bluebeam, the plan to have a fake alien invasion?
Obviously, the aliens are already here, but, you know, we've heard a lot about that over the years.
What's your position on that?
I don't think it would work now, because too many people are aware.
Yes.
They want to take people by surprise and scare the hell out of them, and I don't think it would work now, so I don't think they're going to do it.
Oh, alright.
Okay.
Okay, well, like I said, thank you again for being on the show, and let's do this again in the future!
Yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Okay, thank you.
All right, take care everyone, and I've got lots more things going on.
I'm busy all week with interviews and whatnot, so please stay tuned.