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March 2, 2023 - Project Camelot
01:07:39
CHRIS ERYX AKA BABY TRUMP: LIFE STORY AND WHAT'S NEXT
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Thank you.
Thank you.
So I am here with Baby Trump, Chris Eriks, and I met Chris at the, let's see, the Reckoning in Texas in the summer, towards the end of the summer, almost fall I think it was, and
Yeah, so it's great to have you here, Chris, and I watched a video where you told your life story and I was so impressed because you tell it so well and because it's very inspiring and it's a great story and you have a great attitude towards your own story.
So I thought it'd be really fun to have you on the show.
to talk about that as much as you'd like and i think it would be inspiring to my audience uh and then you know we can talk about other things current events various things because i know you're i know you know one and and you've been in the circuit you're doing conferences we can talk about that we can talk about your upcoming conference so first of all give yourself a short introduction sure first of all you almost brought tears to my eyes just
Saying that, so I want to apologize up front.
I'm dealing with the hypoglossal nerve I'm getting looked at Friday, so keep me in your prayers.
It happened suddenly.
But I'm nobody special.
I really am.
I'm God's warrior.
I'm His slave.
I'm proud to say that.
I am here to... I know what my calling is.
It's to show people how to love one another the right way.
To raise one another up.
And also to use my pain for a testimonial and everything that I've gone through.
So that people that were in a situation like me or in the entertainment industry, they know that there is hope for them.
So I can relate to them.
So in a nutshell, that's pretty much me.
Okay.
Well, that's a very short version of who you are.
But that's very nice.
Okay.
So let's talk about Which do you want to do first your life story or talk about your latest life story?
Yeah, life story.
All right.
Um, should not have be here.
I shouldn't even be here talking to you right now.
Every day that I wake up, I feel totally blessed.
Um, when we think that we control things, we don't control nothing.
Um, what we don't even control is we wake up the next morning.
And so every morning that I wake up, I thank God.
I have an attitude of gratitude.
That's how I start every day, is thanking God to let me get up and fight another day alongside of him in this spiritual war that you and I and others are facing and fighting.
But I should have been taken out four different times by the enemy.
Once as an infant, I had high fevers that got into convulsions.
Believe it or not, which are like epileptic fits.
I was an infant at the time and had 105 fever.
My mother didn't know what to do at that time, so she filled the tub with ice.
Can you imagine, you know, cast iron tub filled with ice?
Yeah, maybe for beer and, you know, alcohol and stuff, but not for an infant.
And put me in that tub.
Because at 105, you go to 106, you're hitting brain damage, right?
And so that was the first time.
The second time, I was walking along the Hudson River.
Everybody knows the Hudson River.
And believe it or not, you know, back in the day when we grew up, you could go cramping in the Hudson River.
I did.
And so I was with my dad and my uncle and I fell in.
And to say I fell in the Hudson River and survived it, is something in itself because it is so deep, dark, And once you go in, you don't come out.
And, um, finally a third time.
And I literally, I don't even know at the age of nine, how I even got to the surface or 10 years old, but through God's will, I did.
And my uncle plucked me out.
The third time is, is the more serious.
And this is the one where it gets dark.
This is where I decided not to live anymore.
So I might get a little choked up.
This is where at 17, I wanted to end my life.
And when you hear people say they want to end their life, I take it very serious.
What sometimes is just a crying out for help, right?
When a adolescent at 17, like myself, I was 16 going on 17.
Says, hey, I've had it.
I'm done.
I want out of this world.
And literally walks in and takes a razor.
And there's a mentality that you go through that I have really related to a lot of people that want to kill themselves because you're literally walking yourself through what you're going to do.
And you're picturing it, but you're picturing it.
And you're almost going through with it in your mind.
You know, I always say before there is an action, there are steps.
You think about it, you envision it, and then you act it out.
And so I remember walking into the bathroom.
My parents had got this brand new home.
They were so in love with this home.
They were more in love with that home than they were with me.
That's what I felt at that moment.
And I walked in, I grabbed my father's razor, I looked in the mirror.
The song by Bon Jovi was Never Say Goodbye, and I slit my wrist.
I bled so bad that my aunt heard the music playing downstairs and called the police.
My family is very heavy into police and law enforcement.
They showed up.
I didn't answer the door.
They called EMTs.
EMT, I finally opened up the door.
He asked me, let me see your arm.
I was a wise guy because that's who I am.
And I showed him the opposite arm.
Obviously, they saw the blood.
I collapsed.
I was in a coma for three weeks.
And there was a gentleman that walked by my room every day.
This is what I was told when I came out.
And he would bang with his cane and say, you're too young to die.
Get up.
And I've never found that man.
I've had people look for him and seek him out.
The hospital does not know who he is.
Can't identify him.
The only thing I could think of was he was an angel.
I woke up.
My dad took me back home.
And I lived in, my parents had like an apartment in the old home, which was rented out.
So they rented it out to me.
And the fourth time that I died, I literally died, I flatlined, I drank too much that night.
And I went through a serious breakup with a girlfriend.
My son had betrayed me and my girlfriend had betrayed me.
On a business deal on the same day.
And I'm not good with betrayal.
I'm good with a lot of things.
I'm not good with people lying and betraying me.
And I went out that night with a pastor's son and his fiancee.
And we went to this club.
We went to this bar in Pittsburgh.
I hadn't eaten for two days now.
I had secluded myself in my house.
I didn't want to have anything to do with anybody.
And I was going through this breakup and I remember that night the owner came in.
He recognized me.
I played on a softball team that played against his team and we beat him.
And so he was pouring shots down my throat.
He had burls, was pouring drinks down my throat.
I loved the attention and I was okay when we left.
But I wasn't okay when I lay down.
When I lay down in the back of the car, literally my whole life was passing right before my eyes and I didn't know what was going on.
I had long hair.
It was like right here, one length.
It was sopping wet.
I didn't know.
I thought it was hot.
And my buddy tried to drop me off at my house.
Thank God he couldn't get me in.
Because he tried to break my door down It was an old Victorian home, and there was solid wood that, gosh, if he would have broke that door down and left me, I would have died.
And so he drug me to the hospital.
I remember two things.
One, I remember the nurse, I call her Nurse Cratchit, they wheeled me up in a wheelchair because he couldn't carry me.
And she goes, nobody dies on my watch.
And she pulled my hair, because it was sopping wet.
And she was like, you look at me, because I was going.
You could see I was going.
And I remember laying on the stretcher or on the gurney, whatever, and they wheeled me in.
And I remember the nurses talking to me.
And they were trying to give me that fight, that will to fight on.
And they said, I think it was like 33 or 34.
And they said, you have a son.
Do you have children?
I said, yeah, I have a son.
They said, come on, you have to be there for him.
How old is he?
How old is he?
Little did they know he was the one, you know, that betrayed me.
And so the next thing I remember was the pastor's son Talking to the doctor, and the doctor saying, do you have his next of kin?
And Brandon Myers, if you're watching this, thank you brother, I owe you my life, said to the doctor, yeah, I have his phone, I can call people.
I woke up the day after, two days later, with my ex-girlfriend at the side of my bed yelling at me, and when I jumped out of the bed, To go to the bathroom, yeah, I had the catheter, which I never knew about, was in me because my body parts were shutting down quickly.
And the reason I tell that story is because I want people to know that, you know, when you're going to do God's work, You're going to go through trials and tribulations.
You're going to go through that battlefield.
You're going to be battle-tested.
The more battle-tested you are, the more work you're going to do.
There isn't anything now that phases me.
I'm an ex-Golden Globe boxer, good friends with Nina.
We have that same mentality.
I was talking to Jaco Boyens today.
I'm going to be with the Muhammad Ali family next week.
And it's because we have that mindset.
We have that mentality.
We can relate to one another.
But I have gone through so much.
And I used to say, why me?
Why me?
Why am I going through this?
You know what my girlfriend said to me, Carrie?
She goes, nothing comes easy for you.
I said, no.
She goes, you can buy something and have an issue.
She goes, I've never seen anything like, and she goes, it's not like you're a tornado and you create it.
It happens.
And I said, you know why?
Because I'm constantly tested.
I'm never the smartest one in the room.
I'm never the fastest when I was, you know, in sports, but I would always have to work 10 times harder than the next person.
And in my mind and in my head, from day one in my life, I've had that mentality where I have to outwork everybody because I'm not gifted like them.
And that's pretty much my, My life story in a nutshell.
I've done so much from, you know, working, you know, I worked in a, um, oh my gosh, at 10 years old, people don't know this story.
1978.
Remember that?
There was a gasoline shortage.
Well, here's Chris chugging along, right?
I go up to the gas station.
I see this line, right?
Of cars.
And I was like, Hmm, I'm always, I've always been a servant, sir.
I love serving people.
I don't know what it is, what thrill I get out of it.
I love it.
Even if I'm in a restaurant, I'll say, hey, and I'll serve people.
I was with Lara Logan and I was serving.
She was, what are you doing?
You don't work here.
It's just that mentality, right?
And I remember going to the cars and saying, are you thirsty?
Give me a, give me a quarter.
Cause at that time you can get a soda for a quarter.
I'll go get the soda and bring it to you.
Because remember, they couldn't get out of line.
I mean, people were in line for hours for gas.
And so I'd go, get the soda, run back to them, and really make tips, right?
I learned at 10 years old how to make my own money.
And to me, that was the biggest, biggest thing I ever learned in my life.
Because at 10 years old, if you know how to make a buck, you can be dropped off anywhere in the world, and you can make a buck.
And so then that evolved and I would do it every single day, seven days a week.
And then that evolved into me thinking like a business person at 10.
And having this acumen, like, okay, now I need sodas.
Well, I'm getting them from Mickey, but wait a second.
I could go to Acme, the grocery store, buy a case, right?
Now I'm paying, instead of a quarter, I'm paying 12 cents.
Right?
And so I started doing that, but the only thing was I had to buy a whole case of cola, a whole case of Sprite, right?
So that was my only challenge.
So I'd wheel my red wagon up and down, because I didn't have to run around.
I had it in the cooler, you know.
And then Mickey, now this is an adult that owns a gas station, said, hey, instead of you going to act me, I'll buy the cases of soda.
You just buy it off me.
And I go, well, Mickey, I'm paying the same price.
He goes, well, you don't have to go there.
And this is how he sold me.
He said, I'll let you pick how many flavors you want.
So instead of me having one case of Coke, one case of Sprite, I had some Coke, some Sprite, some root beer.
So he sold me on that.
Then I'd go to people and some people weren't thirsty.
So I said, well, are you hungry?
And they would say, yeah, I'd run back and get them potato chips or pretzels.
Well, what do you think happened?
They got thirsty.
So at 10 years old, I learned how to make a dollar.
I learned how to become, I hate to say that person, salesperson, but to serve others at 10.
And growing up, I'm a former, I'm a recovering Roman Catholic.
I was an altar boy.
I went to Catholic high school.
Catholic at the grammar school.
And kindergarten, I got beat up.
I had my thumb bent back.
Here's my good thumb.
This is my bad thumb.
See how it goes like that?
First day of kindergarten, because Frank Murphy wanted my lunchbox, my Puffin Stuff lunchbox, and I would not give it to him.
And so he bent my thumb all the way back.
I came home.
I thought it was normal, you know, to My thumb bent all the way back.
Where was this?
This was in Jersey.
Jersey, yeah.
North Jersey.
It was kind of like a tough place, right?
Very tough, you know.
And in kindergarten, you know, I wasn't tough ever until I had to be.
Until, you know, I got beat up in grammar school.
The only thing that I ever had that ever that I have to this day Is my wittiness.
That's it.
I, I, girls didn't want to be around me.
Guys didn't want to be around me.
I was a nerd for lack of a better word.
Um, literally, I mean, I went to eight.
Okay.
In what way were you a nerd?
In that, so it's a different term back then than now, right?
Now it's pretty hip in school.
Yeah.
Okay, not a technical guy.
No, no, no.
No, I had a chili bowl haircut and my mom put that wooden salad bowl on and cut my hair.
So what would you say?
Socially, uh, inept?
I was socially inept.
Well, I got hit with a fugly stick.
I mean, I got hit with a fugly stick.
What is that?
Uh, an effin' ugly stick.
So I didn't get hit with an ugly stick.
I got hit with a fugly stick.
I was so ugly, Kara.
I mean... But you're not ugly.
I know.
I know now that, you know, I get that now, but... Okay, well later, let me just, you know, kind of cut to the chase a little bit here.
You became a dancer.
Right.
And like kind of a, I don't know if you'd call yourself a sex symbol back in those days, but you played clubs and, and, and danced for, was it dancing for women or was it just dancing for clubs?
So I was a model and really flipped and then I became a dancer at 18.
And then at 22, 23, I was a Chippendale in New York, LA, and then the world tour.
You're a bodybuilder and you still are.
Is that right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
And at what age did you start doing the bodybuilding thing?
Uh, 17.
Right.
Kind of late, a little late.
Very late compared to now.
And I was very, I mean, I'm going to show pictures here at the next event, um, with the message I'm going to talk about, Be Bold, Be Weird, Be You.
When I was 153 pounds, I was telling Anita when I boxed and I'm 207 now.
So that's a big, big difference.
I can't remember.
I know I met you in person.
Are you tall or are you medium?
Six foot.
I'm literally the standard.
Chippendales, to be a Chippendale, you have to be six feet or higher.
At that time, six feet was considered tall.
Today, it's short.
Okay.
Now, you know, when I was watching your life story, I had a bunch of questions.
So that's why I'm starting to ask you questions now, because I just was so curious about certain things.
You'll say something and then I'll want to ask you a question.
So, uh, I want to ask you about, you know, you were a dancer.
Okay.
In essence.
Yeah.
Would you call that three years?
I took three years of jazz, two years of LA.
Okay, so and that takes talent, right?
To then go on and do it on stage and have somebody want you to do it on stage, right?
Yeah, I didn't have talent, Kara.
What I could do was I could mimic somebody if I watched them enough and I did.
So I was a good mimicker, which became a talent, yes.
Okay, that's interesting.
And are you a mimicker in other ways besides dancing?
Yes.
So when I had my construction company, I didn't even know how to use a tape measure.
I mean, here at the construction company, well, we started with floors, but I'm like, I didn't even know how to read a tape measure.
I had somebody teach me.
And then I had that company for 18, 19 years, had a show on HGTV.
And here now I'm using You know, machines.
I now know everything there is to know about construction.
But I had to learn.
I had to learn from the guys.
So I would hire the guys and let them show me.
And I would just be over and I'd just watch them.
And I'd watch them plumb.
I'd watch them do electrical work.
And I would just do, hey, can I do that?
And I would jump in and I would help them.
So yeah, everything I've done in my life, speaking, you know, performing, you know, speak, I learned all of that mimicking other people, and I try to mimic the best.
Right.
That way, if I fall a little bit short, so what?
Okay.
So, you had a come-to-Jesus-moment type of thing, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
What age did that happen?
That happened, so, 17, almost 18 years ago.
What, uh, 46, 46 years old, somewhere around there.
Okay.
No, I'm 54.
37, 37, 37, 38.
Yeah.
Okay.
And can you say, you know, do you want to share that with the people?
Yeah, that was pretty powerful.
I didn't have God in my life.
Um, I never talked to him.
I never even had a, I didn't even have a relationship.
I didn't want to have anything to do with him, um, because my son's mother, who I was with for 11 years, decided to go out and have an affair and have children with that man.
And she had fraternal twins.
And so I hated God.
I turned against him.
I didn't want nothing to do with him.
I blamed everything on him.
And so when my godfather was dying, when I went to see him in Jersey for the last time, I knew it was it.
I knew that was going to be the last time I saw him.
And for me, he was everything to me.
He was everything.
My dad played with Johnny Cash, Eddie Rabbit, Johnny Paycheck.
My dad was always on the road performing.
So my godfather was really my role model growing up.
And when he was gone, I was so grief-stricken, I went to my knees, and then I remember my ex-girlfriend telling me about a church called Victory.
It was a non-denominational Christian church, and I was like, you know what?
What do I got to lose?
And then my son and I, I took him with me, and we went there, and he was like 10 or 11, yeah.
And we walked in, and as soon as I opened up the doors to the sanctuary, up on the screens was the Godfather logo.
And Kerry, I was like, I mean, first of all, I'm a Roman Catholic, like, screens in a church?
Like, what?
And I'm seeing the logo of the Godfather, and I'm like, what?
What is this?
And then I go, oh my gosh, like, I'm meant to be here.
And I remember I was so scared.
I didn't know if they were going to have snakes in the pit, because I've heard, you know, it's a cult and snakes.
And so I sat all the last, I'll never forget, the last chair in the back against the wall, like hiding, literally me trying to hide.
And then I watched Pastor John Nuzzo, Let's change my life forever.
Sit there and act as Don Corleone and say, in the very beginning, I have an offer you can't refuse.
It's eternal salvation.
And that, to me, I raised my hand at the altar call at the end.
My son raised his hand.
I had this warmth come over me.
I started crying.
I was saved.
I was asking for forgiveness.
I was so grieved and sorry.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I wish I had somebody, and that's why I think I am the way I am with people now, especially on my podcast.
I'm trying to show them the way.
I'm trying to say, hey, listen, this is what you need to do, because nobody did that with me, and I was lost.
I was a Christian, but I was lost.
I have one foot right here in the Bible and one foot in the sewer.
And it was like this.
And when you're like that, I literally was going back to my old ways.
And so finally, about four years ago, was my real, that is when I knew God intimately.
I heard a song, I am who you say I am.
I've heard that song over and over again.
I've heard it in my car.
I've sang it out loud.
It never meant anything to me.
That one day in church, I was worshiping, that song came on, and all I started thinking was, oh my gosh, what have I done?
This is the only person my whole entire life that never left my side, that never threw a punch, that never made fun of me, And when I told him to get away, he didn't get away from me.
It's the only person in my life that has truly loved me.
And all I wanted, Karen, all I wanted, I just wanted to be loved.
And here was one person that was showing me this love.
Unconditionally.
So you felt the love.
So, but, um, I want to ask you a couple of questions.
Do you mind?
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
So first of all, uh, are you Italian?
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, because you act Italian.
So I just wanted to make sure I was getting the right, you know, thing because, you know, you're also sort of a chameleon, obviously, if you mimic a lot of people, then you, you know, it's, it's, it's not so obvious.
Uh, and you did relate to the Corleone thing and so on and so forth.
Right.
Um, so.
When you thought that your son betrayed you, I remember in the story, I mean we haven't gone into it and we probably don't have time to go into all that part, but I just want to say because you said that he decided he chose to be with the mother instead of you and that really hurt you, right?
That was very painful.
But it's a funny word, betrayal.
Like, what does that mean?
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't see that as a betrayal.
That's not like telling a lie.
That's actually telling the truth, right?
It is.
So it's a kind of a funny... It is.
Yeah, and I'll tell you.
So the part was, when he was living two lives, when he was with me, he had boundaries.
His grades were good.
He was a good student.
He dressed the part.
He acted the part.
He looked the part.
When he was with his mom, he did not dress the part.
He did not look the part.
He did not act the part.
His grades were in the 30s and the 40s.
When we had that intervention with me and the principal and everything, and I had my son come live with me, Do you know I still paid her support every single month?
I said, I just want to have him.
I'll give you the money because that's what she wanted.
I just want to make sure he's okay.
When his whole entire school, because it was really school that was really dropping, when his school grades went up, when his attitude, when his demeanor changed, Guess what?
Then I knew that he had a future, right?
When I found out at 12 years old he smoked pot, I was like, are you kidding me?
And then at 15, he had four.
Four felonies for selling drugs.
We're felonies, and so, yeah.
Okay, but how does that, okay, I'm hearing that, but I'm, you know, I know this might... Why is it different from me and the mom, and why did I feel betrayed with him not wanting to live with me?
Yeah, so, you know, I think, you know, you're very, you talk streetwise, right?
You're very streetwise, so you, it may be a betrayal in a sense that You expect loyalty from your son.
Am I getting that right?
I always say blood is related, loyalty is family.
Here's why.
What you don't know, and what everybody else doesn't know, is he was in harm's way.
I have reports, I keep them to this day, and he's 27.
of police reports.
Um, his mom had called on the police PFA on her boyfriend four different times.
But the biggest thing was I was trying to keep him out of harm's way.
When he went to the child psychologist and they were asking about safety and with his mom, it was like a three or four with me.
It was a 10.
It wasn't the physical safety he was talking about.
It was emotional and mental.
And so He went to my family.
He went to my parents.
He spent about a month up there.
And my parents were like, yeah, he wants to move in.
He's excited because I was going to pick him up and then we were going to move.
He played ice hockey.
Well, a lot of people don't know.
My son was one of the top 10 in all of Pittsburgh.
He was raised with Mario Lemieux's son.
I mean, my son was an incredible hockey player.
And literally, I believe saved his life from what he had to go through trauma-wise, is what Tom did.
But when I got the house and I showed him, I said, we're going to live and you're going to grow up and you're going to walk and painted all this picture.
If he would have said to me, Dad, I love you.
This is great.
I can't do it.
But telling me I want to do it.
I want To me, that was betrayal in that you didn't talk to me.
Yeah.
Okay, so because you needed, you know, we needed a little more background.
Oh yeah, there's more.
There's always more to a story.
Well sure, but in the end of the day, you know, you've come a long way in your life.
Would you say that?
Yeah.
Okay.
And you've gone through, like, the school of hard knocks, as they call it, and you surfaced.
I mean, you almost died several times and all of that.
But you made it through, and you're in a very... Okay, this is just my evaluation, not trying to be judgmental, but just saying, you seem like you're in a good place right now, okay?
Best place ever.
Okay, so I just thought, you know, because when people hear your story and they see where you're at now, they're going to be like, wow, because you seem very sure of yourself.
You seem like you have it, you know, down.
I'm not saying you're perfect, you know, none of us are, but you know what I mean?
But you really seem to have sussed everything out.
Now, have you ironed out your situation with your son?
I love that question.
No.
So, the last time I spoke to him, it was four years ago, maybe five going now.
He got the inheritance.
I lost my dad and my mom six months in between one another.
The hard part for me with my son, when you talk about betrayal, people will understand this.
When I got that phone call that my dad had a year to live, My son did not visit him in the hospital.
He was not at the funeral.
When I got that call about my mom, my son did not visit his grandmother.
He did not come to the funeral.
So, it's okay to treat me with disrespect.
And you can have whatever feeling you have for me.
But when he did that to his grandmother and grandfather, who, by the way, they took his side on everything, even against me.
Even against our own son.
I had a problem with that.
But, when I went to make sure he got the inheritance money, I went to shake his hand and he hugged me.
And I thought, this is a breakthrough.
I'm still not on his Facebook.
He has no idea.
We, me and you, know more about one another than me and him right now.
Um, not my choice, his, but I go like this.
I give it to God.
It's too much for me.
It is too much.
And when it's his time, I believe if he finds Christ, he will pick up that phone and call me so quick and be like, and I'm like, you know what?
It's okay, Chaz.
It's cool.
We'll start over.
But until he finds God, I don't think he'll ever pick up that phone.
Well, um, you know, you're a very strong personality.
Have you been told that all the time?
Okay.
So, with a kid growing up, especially a male child to have a father, like, you sound like you were, and maybe still are.
Um, that's kind of a task master.
That's kind of a, you know, a strong personality.
And then also you have had sex success in your life in in certain areas, you know, like, as a performer, when a person is a performer, right?
Then they get something that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily have if they're not a performer.
It's not always missing in their lives, but it's a huge thing.
Do you know what I mean?
I know exactly what you're talking about.
You have an audience.
You have a, you know, you're able to do that.
Okay.
Now.
Read people.
Yeah.
And be, you know, sort of a focus point, okay?
So, that stays with you, and that's part of your life.
You'll never get away from that, right?
Yes, but you know what?
Knowing that... Cara, that is a great point, by the way.
Knowing that there are so many times, more and more now, where I've removed myself.
I put myself, you know, I did at my last event, where at the end, I said, let's bring them up.
They all came up on stage and I walked off the stage.
You know, at my event, I cut me from speaking.
Why?
Because I gave other people- Actually I didn't know that, but okay.
Yeah.
I did at the last event too.
So when, when somebody knows they're always going to be focused and they're going to be in the center of attention, to pull yourself away and know that, To give, when to give the spotlight to someone else.
I can do that.
Well, you're obviously doing that now because you're doing these events and we can talk about that in a minute.
But I do want to kind of bring it back to this place because sometimes a person doesn't realize how big they look and especially to their child, you know, in his eyes, he's still a little child and you look huge.
That's very intimidating, okay?
That intimidates his sense of self.
I'm just, you know, I know I shouldn't be talking like this on.
Oh, I love it.
You know what?
I just have, I just can read some things.
Okay.
So I just want to say this just because, you know, because you're bringing this up and I think eventually this is going to change, you know, the balance will change and so on.
But, um, I just want you to think about that.
Just think about how you look from his eyes.
Yeah, and when I know that, that's why I did what I did and how I did it.
You know, I said, Hey, I just want to make sure, make sure you got everything, make sure you're doing okay.
Yeah.
And I went to, I didn't, I didn't go to hug him.
You know what I mean?
Let me hug you.
I went to shake his hand and he hugged me and I said, I'm glad you're okay.
But to what the life that he's leading now, I'm proud of him.
Oh good.
He has taken on, now watch this, kids are taught, okay?
So when he was nine, he had a half-brother, half-sister that he had to take care of, okay?
That was multiracial, okay?
So he had to deal with that too, okay?
And now, grown up, he's been with the same woman taking care of another man's baby and treating it as if it was his own.
And for me, that is a real man.
That is a real man.
A woman could love a child because it's part of her, it's in her.
A man to love another man's child?
Unconditionally?
To me?
Man, that's an utmost respect for me.
Because that's not easy.
That is not an easy thing.
And I'm proud of him for doing that.
I'm just hoping that He puts Jesus Christ in that child's life, and by him doing that, it attaches to him as well.
Okay, so now let's go into where you're at now.
Okay, so I think people got a background and I didn't, you know, it's a very personal thing, you know, your personal story, but you do share it, you know, you have shared it publicly.
So I felt we could go there, you know, and like I said, I had these areas that I kind of want to asked about, you know, and your son was 1 of them.
So now I'd like to know, you know.
When you look at the playing field, because you're in a, in an interesting position.
And like you said, I think maybe as a performer, you have decided to kind of give back a little, and that's why you started to do, you know, where you're having other people speak at your event, right?
You're the MC or whatever you want to call it, but the bottom line is that they have the stage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it didn't.
I didn't, I didn't want to be the MC the first event I wasn't.
Um, I just ran around, made sure I was a host.
I was a host of a party, right?
Um, the last time was my most difficult, um, decision was who's an emcee and it defaulted to me.
And so when I did it, I didn't realize what an impact it had.
And when, um, the CEO of George magazine, Told me, man, you don't give that mic to anybody else.
I was like, oh, okay.
I know where my place is.
Yeah.
That's Gene Ho.
Yeah.
Gene Ho and Dave.
So Gene is the PR and then Dave Blaze is the CEO.
And so I was taken aback by that, but the reason I wanted to do these events was one, I'm going to say it.
I don't care.
It's going to be in my book.
I was forbidden in this community at events to talk about God.
It's going to come out, it's going to be in my book.
So, where I would be on tour with people and they wouldn't let me speak about God.
Okay, can you clarify that a little bit more when you say this community and who didn't want you to speak because... So, I'm not going to mention... The Reckoning that I went to, you had a lot of people talking about God.
Everybody, everybody.
A lot.
And that wasn't, I'm talking about care.
So I've been in this now two years, going on two years, right?
And so I started with Clay Clark.
From day one, I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
I was one of the OGs.
I was on stage not once, twice.
I left Clay in San Antonio.
That's when he pulled me off stage, um, two days before the event, because somebody else had a problem with me.
And that very person is the one I'm speaking of that would not let me do my own speech, talk about God at my own event here in Texas.
Believe it or not, I kid you not, it's going to be in my book because I think that's why people will get the book and they'll read it and go, wow, right?
And it'll be in forever.
I'm so happy you're going to write a book because, or you're writing a book, because that's the first thing that came to my mind after watching you talk about your life.
I thought, this guy's got to write a book.
So that's great.
Excellent.
Be bold, be weird, be you.
It's supposed to be out March 25th, God willing.
But God said, you're going to talk about God.
But not only are you going to talk about God, you're going to bring the people.
You know the good, you know the bad, you know the ugly.
In other words, When I did my wedding, I got married at 40.
So I've been to so many weddings, right?
You too, right?
We've seen good weddings, we've seen bad weddings, we've seen... So what I did was, when I designed my wedding, I did the same thing.
I took the good, I took the bad, right?
And I felted out the bad and I designed the wedding.
Same thing with my events.
I've been at so many events and done so many, that I was like, wait a second.
No.
This is how it needs to be.
And so nobody else would listen to me.
And I kept running around, like saying, hey, you should do it like this, or you should do it like this.
And I'm like, oh, that's a good idea.
And it blew me off.
And I was like, OK, no problem.
So then I was like, I'm going to do it.
And then the event you were at, I really thought it was going to be a one-hit wonder.
And that'd be it, done.
And then the outcry that I got from people, and I was like, all right, maybe I'll do it one more time.
And then for me, again, because I had to work harder than the other person, I was like, how can I make it different?
How can I make it better?
And so I started thinking, okay, what do people want?
What do speakers want?
What do vendors want?
And then, and what do media want?
And then I started Saying, okay, this is what they're looking for, and name three things.
And then I had all the sheets, and I was like, okay, so what if I do this, and what if I do that?
The last event was so much bigger and better, and it was a one-day event.
And so, you know, when I did the one-day event compared to a two-day event, I took those two days and put it into one.
Because one of the biggest things I found out with people is, and this is my mantra, this is my My slogan, if you would.
People will forget what you do, people will forget what you say, but people will never forget the way you make them feel at the Reckoning Fest.
And so I wanted that, not only for the people that were there, for the vendors, for the media, for the speakers.
And that's when I was like, I'm onto something here.
And each event, I have different speakers all the time.
Even this one.
I'm giving people that don't have a platform to speak otherwhere, where they're never going to get on that stage, to be on mine.
I had 12 years old Shannon, the Lego kid genius.
You met him.
He was at my event.
He did a 15 minute by himself at 12 years young on a stage like that.
And he's going to be at this next event.
And so, and the reason I did that is I wanted to show everybody this is our future.
This boy right here, this young man is our future and we have hope.
Okay, but I want to know why they wouldn't, whoever the person, we don't need to know the person, but the person that didn't want you to speak about God, did you ever know why they didn't?
What was the reason?
Because they're not of God.
But they were involved with this group that's so intense.
They were involved in this community.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But that's not their thing.
Oh, that's interesting.
New Age.
New Age.
Mysticism.
Oh, they didn't, yeah.
So, but I mean, there are other speakers talking about that, yeah?
Not when I was on tour.
I'm talking about not at my event, Kara.
I'm talking previous events.
I'm pretty sure the Clay Clark people talk about that stuff.
Yep.
Not Clay.
It wasn't Clay.
No, I know, but I'm saying they are, you know, I don't know what you want to call these people, but something of the religious right.
Generally speaking, wouldn't you say go to a Clay Clark conference?
Yeah?
And they, the religious right are actually known for talking about God, you know, maybe too much, but they talk about God a lot.
Yeah?
Yep.
So was it one of those kind of events or a different kind of event?
Nope, totally different.
Oh, a different one?
I could tell it was an event that I booked.
It was my friend that gave me the venue.
So it was your own event?
It was.
So it was my event that I booked, but I didn't run it.
Does that make sense?
My fault.
Like God showed me a major, major, Lesson that night.
Okay.
And I raised, you ready for this?
I raised $1,300 for that person.
I see.
Before I left that night, I handed him $1,300.
So I raised $1,300.
I didn't speak at my own event.
And then I was told, Oh, he's into, he's not into our movement.
He's into, um, You know, taking pictures and talking to other people.
And they were like, yeah, that's baby Trump.
He has his own podcast.
He is not a part of your company.
It doesn't work for you.
These people in this community, Kerry, they, they think they own you sometimes.
Where, no, like when I dance, I'll give you an example.
So when I dance, if you were, uh, if you had a male review, right?
And you call me up and say, Hey, Chris, I need, I need somebody to dance Saturday night, right?
Duh-duh-duh, Joey's her.
I'm like, okay, where is it at?
And they're gonna say, how much you want?
I'd say a hundred bucks, right?
A hundred bucks plus tips.
And do I go on once?
Do I go on twice?
Tell me what I need, right?
Okay, where is it at?
When I go there, okay, when I hand out my business card, when I hand out business cards, that is me.
That is my branding, right?
Now, If that person wants to hire me for a private party, that goes through their company.
Does that make sense?
Because I was there that night.
Okay, but you're not still doing dancing, right?
No, but I'm still, I'm taking that to what we do now.
Because I toured with a lot of people.
Well, not anymore, but I just got done doing another tour.
People put, they know who it is, right?
And I kind of had the same thing.
I did 13 cities in 20 days.
Um, and you know, things that they were talking about was not kosher with me and the way that they handled things was not kosher.
There were two cities left.
I called my girlfriend and said, I'm coming home at midnight the night before, after a lovely Texas.
And you know, the reason being is because it wasn't speaking to me.
It wasn't something that I wanted to be around anymore.
You know, that's good.
I mean, you appear, and I think you are, a person with integrity.
So integrity is very important to you.
Yeah?
Yeah, I die with integrity.
Yes.
I mean what you said.
Well, you know, I don't want to talk about this, but I just want to say to the audience that you did a special thing for me behind the scenes.
This is behind the scenes.
You called me out of the blue, right?
To help me out.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
That doesn't happen.
Okay.
So I just want to say this person is a very, um, this person is a person with real integrity and a lot of heart.
So all your, everything you went through has created you in a certain way that you have a lot of heart.
I do.
And if people sit down and get past my hair, get past the way I look, get past the way I dress, the way I speak, Right.
Break bread with me.
Have a conversation for an hour.
It will not be what you thought you were going to get from me.
But they have to get from judging me.
They have to get from judging me.
Right.
It's the hardest thing.
I remember five years ago in MLM, I would speak on their stage in front of 15, 20,000 people.
And the guy came down.
He goes, I've been wanting to meet you all this time.
I said, why didn't you come down?
He goes, I've seen you every single time at these events.
He goes, and I watch.
And I said, okay, 50% of the people love you and 50% of people hate you.
And I go, really?
And it was the first time that it ever even crossed my mind.
And I was like, well, why do those 50% hate me?
He goes, because they are judging you.
Judging who you are, the way you look, the way you dress, the way you come in.
And I would dance and joke around with people.
That is not the norm.
And so people are taken back by that and go, wait a second, what's this guy doing?
You know, it took a little bit, it takes, I tell people, I'm like bacteria.
I'm like a fungi.
I grow on you.
Don't worry, I'm with you.
No, and I don't want to keep you too long here.
No, I'm fine.
Okay, so I have another question.
You know, in terms of your sort of life path, have you ever, first of all, been what they call regressed and looked into your past lives?
So I have, I've definitely, I've heard people tell me, Michael Della Rocca, when I met him from Brooklyn, told me that.
He said, you and I, we're not from this world and you and I have, we've been together for a couple of times.
I've had people tell me that.
That's not the question.
No?
Okay.
The question is, have you ever gone to somebody who's a specialist in regressing you to learn about your past lives or to open yourself up in that way?
Okay, because I just want to say that I recommend it.
Now, for whatever it counts for, you know, it doesn't matter one way or the other, but when I meet people and talk to them and Okay.
in a one-on-one, like even before an audience, I get information come at me about them.
And I'm getting a lot of past life stuff that's going to be good for you to find out about.
Okay.
So for what it's worth, I just want to throw that out.
Okay.
I don't do that for a living.
I don't do readings as they call them, but I think you might want to look into that because I think that might open some vistas for you as far as putting two and two together as to why this life happened the way it did and how you got here.
Because we don't just start, well I don't know your philosophy of life and I know you're religious and so on, but When you're born, that's not the first time you come to Earth, so to speak.
So um you probably you've had a lot of lifetimes and there's a lot of learning there and you can access it and you are accessing it subliminally you know these are you say you don't have talent but you do you have talents okay so when somebody mimics somebody it's not because they can mimic them and do what the other person does it's because they speak to a part in them that is like that already
See what I'm saying?
Yes.
So you're recognizing yourself in that person, whoever you decide to mimic off of or learn off of.
And then it resonates with you because that's who you were.
That's a piece of yourself that you remember.
So you're bringing that into your current world.
So that's important because you're not giving yourself enough credit.
So this is my, you know, way of talking to you about this, because I see that you brought a lot of talents in this life, and that's why you're, you know, you've gone through so much, but you've got to give yourself credit for that, and it comes because of all the other lifetimes that you learned so much, and then you brought it forward, and that's, you know, not easy.
I never thought about that.
Yeah, so, you know, I mean, experience is the greatest teacher of all, right?
Right.
Yes, it is.
So say that and and not really sidetrack our story here too much.
So let me ask you because I do see that you're on sort of a journey and that you in a sense these latest things with conferences is like you're learning to be that you need to be sort of your own boss.
And at the same time, you also need to command your own space within those conferences, even though that you're giving a lot of space to everyone else, right?
It's nothing wrong with you having your piece of it, you know?
That it holds it all together.
That, you know, you've got such a personality that makes way for that.
So that's actually a good thing, I think.
And you have a great vision.
You have a vision that you haven't even brought forward yet, okay?
So you have a vision that's starting to emerge for the future of things like this.
I think it's great.
So let's talk, before I let you go, exactly about your next event, okay?
And you were going to send me a... I don't think you sent me a banner or I didn't get it.
Maybe... Yeah, I sent it on your email, but I can... Oh, alright.
Okay, I'll put it... because I'm going to put it on my website.
So, let's... Do you want to talk just briefly and, you know, what you want to say about your upcoming event?
So, the next coming event.
So, the next coming event, I didn't know when I was going to do it.
And so I said, okay, let's do it before April, before the spring and summer.
Cause we just did one in December and I want to keep people together.
My main, my main objective through and through and why I'm doing this is for the people.
And I want people to be together.
I want them to meet.
I want people that have never gone to a conference or an event.
And my numbers for people for the first time, it's probably almost half.
And I'm going to do a survey again at this event.
But you know, the last event, I had somebody that was completely blind from California.
I fly in, I flew her in, I put her out.
She came to my event.
She danced probably the first time ever in her life with my friend, Matt, who, you know, escorted her to the dance floor.
Most beautiful thing I ever saw in my life.
But this event, there's something about this event.
I don't know what it is right now.
I just know that the people that I've gotten together for this event, there's a reason.
I interviewed Jacob Boynes today.
He's going to be speaking.
He's going to be premiering his new movie, Sex Nations, which is unbelievable about trafficking.
I'm so excited about that.
And the people that I'm putting together now, having Billy Falk in there again.
I didn't have him the last time.
He's going to debut the song, Heaven Hears the Children Cry.
And I'm seeing something that is going on, a theme.
And I think it's about the children, this event.
You know, they're performing Jeremy Levy, the song that he's going to do.
I'm very excited and I think that people are going to be moved in a different way than they've ever been at any other event.
It is going to be different.
There are going to be a lot of surprises.
I love to surprise people.
We're going to take a special picture of the El Magador jacket with the print that I have behind me.
And I just, I see I see people, like, not only being saved, but I see non-believers starting to believe.
I see people that won't even accept Jesus into their life, into maybe opening up their heart a little bit.
I really see a change in this next event.
And every event is different.
Speakers are different.
So first I'm going to have Lloyd Brunson there.
So people are going to get to meet Lloyd Brunson.
I have this book, the Constitution book, that we're going to be giving away to people at this event.
So, I'm very excited.
Okay, so now let's cut to the nitty-gritty.
So, what are the dates of your event and where?
Is it in Texas again?
What city?
And, you know, exactly the dates for people that are interested and then tell them where to go if they want to buy tickets.
March 25th, that is a Saturday.
10 a.m.
doors open up and we'll go to midnight.
I am giving you breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
You don't have to go anywhere.
I'm giving you breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
You can go to ReckoningFest.com.
ReckoningFest.com VIP tickets are selling out.
What I did add is anybody wants an open bar, that's additional.
And so there's some additional things that I did.
That I haven't done before.
I'm just trying it out.
And, um, I have the hotel.
So anybody have a special, um, um, price on the Sandman hotel?
It's on the website and then the Comfort Inn as well.
Okay.
In what city?
Uh, Frisco, Texas.
20 minutes outside Dallas.
Okay.
All right.
If you want to get off DFW airport, if you're flying in, uh, last event we had, 26 states.
We have one personality from 26 states.
Two countries.
And that's what I want.
I want a gathering of people.
I want them to get to know one another.
I might even try something different.
Almost like a speed dating type of thing.
At lunchtime where I'm going to have speakers actually go sit at a table and then I'll play music and then the speakers will get up and go to a different table.
And like how you and I are doing this, they'll be able to do that with the people at the table.
So always trying different things.
I think people will get a kick out of that, especially it's a different type of meet and greet type thing.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Okay, sounds like fun.
Sorry gonna miss it.
I'm gonna, I'm leading a tour in Egypt right now.
I know, I know.
No, I mean, you know, we've been planning this for a very long time, so thank God that everything is allowing such things as flights to other countries so far, you know, fingers crossed all that, but Yeah, so that's what's happening.
But, uh, cool.
Well, I'll put your banner up, and I'll also, I'll insert it to this part of the, because what I do is I take this down from, on Facebook, it stays, it's, we're on Facebook right now, right?
Right.
So we're live on Facebook, but that's not where my biggest audience is.
My biggest audience will see this on Telegram, you know, it'll be posted Telegram Rumble, you know, odyssey.com, which I have another channel there, and on my website.
So, Will Garner, and then it goes on Truth Social, you know, I have a lot of social media, Twitter, so on.
So, before I put I take it down, I put my credits on there, I make sure there's no problems.
We didn't have any problems anyway, so I don't have to do any edits anyway.
That's good, that's good.
And so then it'll be out there, so I'll put your banner on here.
And if you can actually write down the details, or if they're on your banner, then that's fine.
Yeah, I put WreckingFest.com.
And you're sending me a link, right?
You already did that.
Yeah, I did that.
Yep.
And I just want to thank you.
Thank your watchers.
I'm blessed and humbled to know you, Carrie, and you're always welcome to Reckoning Fest.
We are doing a tour called American Freedom Truth Tour.
American Freedom Truth Tour, where we're going to go to 15, 20 different cities.
And I'm going to do what I did here.
This was like a practice run, right?
We did this three, four times.
Now we're going to take it on the road.
Um, and we already had a booking in Long Island, New York for July 15th.
So cool.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's great to talk to you.
You're a lot of fun.
Um, I hope people enjoyed the show and, um, you know, good luck to you and, and let's have you back sometime in the future when your book comes out, you know, when your book comes out, maybe we'll talk then.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Have a blessed night.
God bless.
Take care.
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