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March 10, 2020 - Project Camelot

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MAX IGAN and DEBORAH TAVARES ROUNDTABLE HOSTED BY KERRY CASSIDY - EDITED

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm very happy to be here tonight.
	We have a slight issue because what's happened is that actually Max Egan was, we arranged everything before daylight savings time.
	So he's going to be here in about an hour.
	I just thought I'd come on and sort of start the show and see where we go.
	It's kind of crazy the way things are right now.
	So I thought I would answer questions and go from there.
	Anyway, hope everything's good with you guys and happy to take questions in the chat.
	And Max Egan is going to be here.
	And then I was hoping maybe...
	Deborah would get my message and come on earlier.
	She was going to be on Friday, but she has so much stuff that's very timely that we tried to bring her on tonight.
	And also, she and Max are covering some similar stuff, so I thought it would be fun.
	To have the two of them on the show together where they could actually, you know, interact and talk about stuff.
	So that's the plan and obviously nothing's happening yet, but this daylight savings time in America kind of threw a spanner in the works, but it'll all be fine soon.
	So, what this means is that I can answer some questions if you have any.
	So, I'm looking to see what's here in the chat to see if there's anything.
	No, someone wants to know if John Lear apologized the way he talked to me.
	No, actually, we're kind of estranged at the moment.
	He's doing his thing and I'm doing mine.
	I think that he's been pressured a lot.
	And so I understand.
	I'm not having an issue, really.
	But no, he's...
	I don't know what...
	Kind of possessed him, literally or figuratively speaking, to kind of lose it in the last show.
	But that was quite a while ago.
	I'm hoping he's doing a lot better now and that at some point we make reconnect in the future.
	And, you know, that's the way life is sometimes.
	As far as Max Egan giving us information from the future...
	I don't know that Max Egan is actually a remote viewer or futurist, and thank you very much for those saying they like my book.
	That's really awesome to hear, and it's very exciting to have the book out finally.
	took me obviously a long time but mainly because I do these shows and and when I'm doing shows I'm also researching to prepare for the shows etc now we have a really interesting week of shows if you haven't been to my website let's see if I can bring it up and maybe I can flash it here on the screen as well
	obviously today we're talking to Max Egan and we're going to be talking about cv which I don't spell it out or say it because there's a lot of censorship on YouTube as you may know so we are trying to get under the wire with that they've already basically what you call
	demonetized several of my shows about that subject and in fact they're in the process of questioning monetizing my latest interview with Alfred Kim who did an excellent interview with me that I'm very happy with and only they're now they're trying to demonetize that
	The trouble with demonetizing, as you can appreciate, is that that just means that it's much harder for me to pay my rent if I don't make money on YouTube because that's really one of my prime ways of making money and staying alive.
	It's not much money, but it's just enough to really survive as it happens.
	Okay, so March 10th, I've got Bruce Solheim.
	He's the author of the Trinity series, and we're going to be talking about UFO adventures and the paranormal.
	And I'm reading his book, quite a fascinating life journey he has had, so that should be a really interesting show.
	And that's tomorrow at 1 p.m.
	Then on the 11th, which...
	Wednesday is Peter Robbins and his documentary on the death of Forrestal.
	And Forrestal was the former Secretary of Defense, I believe, under the Truman administration.
	He died under very mysterious circumstances, basically being thrown from a window of a hospital, which he's said to have jumped.
	But The reality or hung himself from.
	But the logistics of that are actually extremely unlikely.
	And the bottom line is, I recently ran that by Captain Mark Richards, who knew about him and what he knew, so to speak.
	And he was definitely read in.
	And Mark said that he definitely was, in essence, suicided.
	Because they couldn't shut him up.
	They were worried that he was going to come and tell the people.
	So what happens with that is that it becomes very difficult for a whistleblower or a person with a conscience, let's just call them that, who works for the military for a long part of their life.
	And has all this amazing information about our visitation by various races and of course the secret space program and all the craft going into stellar bases on the moon and Mars.
	You can imagine those are big secrets to keep and the longer time goes by with humanity being in the dark it leaves the ones that are in the know In a world where they're very isolated from the rest of humanity.
	Actually, I feel a lot like that now because I'm so deep down the rabbit hole and because I've interviewed so many people.
	Like around a thousand.
	And the distillation, which is all in my book, by the way, for those of you that are interested, Rebel Gene and the Secret Space Program and the Future of Humanity is the name of it.
	And that's on Amazon, on paperback, and also as a Kindle.
	But I distill all the information gotten over the 15 years I've been doing Project Camelot.
	And that also includes my own intuitive information, which is a lot.
	and I have to say that I have to thank my intuition all these years for doing, for serving me very well and also for the downloads and for the protection of the various ETs that are on hand and certainly I understand there are white hats behind the scene that for serving me very well and also for the downloads and for the protection of the various ETs that are on hand and certainly I understand there are white hats
	So I have to say that I'm very lucky in that regard so far And so when you go this far down the rabbit hole and you have all this information, it's understandable that you, especially military people, eventually want to share it with the rest of humanity, especially if they have a conscience.
	They begin to realize that you, the public, has a right to know.
	And this happened to Forrestal.
	Now, they tried to make it as if he went crazy.
	And in a sense, you do go a little crazy, from what I understand, in the same sense that Pete Peterson, if you remember our witness, Pete Peterson, Dr.
	Pete Peterson.
	And he's like sort of a Doctor Who or, you know, whatever you want to call him.
	But he died about a year ago now.
	Actually, I think it was a year ago in June 2019.
	And he also is a man who knew too much, knows too much, and he was dying to communicate with us when we finally touched base and got connected, etc.
	It was me who got connected with Pete Peterson first.
	Long phone calls late into the night where he was disclosing a lot of information, and I realized this man had to be interviewed.
	So at the time I didn't have any money.
	Bill Ryan and I were estranged and Bill, even though I pitched it to Bill, Bill wasn't interested initially.
	But then David Wilcock, who was a friend of mine and was a friend of mine at the time, I told him about it and he actually volunteered to help finance the trip to Idaho so that we could interview this very important witness.
	And so that's how David got involved.
	And then when Bill found out David was involved and we were financed to go, he wanted to come then too.
	So then he came as well.
	So the three of us went to Idaho.
	We spent the whole weekend like from a Friday Saturday, Sunday.
	And then on Monday, we finally turned the cameras on.
	So we literally heard him talk until four in the morning every night.
	And this is a man who had kept quiet over 40 years.
	He was a very...
	If you remember the interview, and you can watch it at any time, of course, on my YouTube channel, but you can see...
	He's a larger-than-life kind of character who was very outgoing and gregarious, and it must have just killed him to be quiet all those years.
	So it was almost like blowing a lid off a teapot or something when he finally got to talk.
	So this is the kind of thing with Forrestal, I'm sure.
	And although Forrestal was a much more circumspect individual, Apparently it all got to him, especially back in those days when people in the know were a lot fewer than there are now.
	I can say that.
	So anyway, I'm going to have Peter Robbins has made a documentary about his, I guess, his life and his death.
	And Peter Robbins is a researcher who got very into Rendlesham research and wrote a book called I left at Eastgate with Larry Warren many years ago, sometime after the Rendlesham thing happened, which was in the 1980s.
	But Peter and that book, Left at Eastgate, I think came out sometime in the early, around 2004 or whenever it was.
	And I... I interviewed Peter Robbins as part of my first documentary before even starting Camelot, as it happened, because I went to a conference where he was speaking, etc.
	So I got to know him there.
	And then I read his book, Left at Eastgate.
	And then what has happened since then is that Peter Robbins and Larry Warren are no longer talking to each other.
	And Larry Warren is considered to be an outcast of some kind and, I guess, a liar, even though he was, I guess, one of the best witnesses coming forward.
	And that's a very, very complex story.
	And I have to say, you know, I'm inviting Larry Warren to speak at my conference, Awake and Aware.
	Whether or not he will accept is another matter.
	The situation with Larry is such that apparently...
	There was a researcher, and I have the document somewhere on my desktop.
	The document talks about a researcher whose name, I'm afraid, escapes me at this exact moment.
	And that researcher did a great deal of research, I guess, and somehow got Larry to admit that...
	Part of his story was actually a story of another witness, because Larry also was a witness, but apparently didn't see as much as this other witness.
	The other witness never wanted to come forward, so Larry and this guy made a deal in which Larry would combine that guy's story with Larry's story, and Larry would front as being the same person, But in reality, it was two people's stories.
	But it all had to do with Rendlesham.
	And actually, in the military, I don't think that's that strange to make that kind of deal when one person doesn't want to come forward.
	But they want the information out.
	So I know a lot of people actually went completely crazy over this.
	But if I understand it correctly, to tell you the truth, I don't think it's that strange.
	And I don't even think it's that reprehensible.
	Because to be honest and to understand, in this sort of game of secrecy that we're part of, what matters is that we get the truth out.
	It doesn't matter who gets the truth out so much as that the truth gets out.
	So along those lines, I think it's very important and I appreciate that if one person wants to be quiet and the other person is willing to talk, this can facilitate getting information out.
	So that's my take on the Larry Warren situation, and I'm sure there's a lot of other extenuating circumstances that I'm not even aware of.
	I'm still investigating the Rendlesham, or re-investigating it, but because I talked to Mark Richards about this recently in my recent interview with him, which happened around the 16th of February, And recently was published on my site, on my YouTube, along with the presentation.
	I have to say that Mark has given an incredible story about Rendlesham and what really happened.
	And he even met a witness, an MP, whose mind was completely sort of destroyed by the experience, along with a lot of other people.
	And so I think this is very valid to have that come forward.
	But interestingly, nobody associated with the Rendlesham story wants to talk about what Mark Richards has to say.
	So it is strange, but it's obvious what we've got is a lot of mind control.
	It's interesting to me because mind control will mind control you away from disclosing the truth.
	Of course, gray aliens are very famous for doing this sort of thing.
	And so this is the kind of thing that goes on.
	And it's funny to me that these witnesses, they never like get together and say, hey, we've all been mind controlled.
	Let's try to break it down together instead of turning on each other.
	But it's just a sad state of affairs.
	I wish humanity would get on the right page with stuff and realize that we're only going to be as good as we are together.
	Separately, it's not going to happen because we have a lot of negative stuff against us.
	And of course, this latest with what I'm calling CV so that they don't limit my channel.
	Because the mainstream can use that word, right?
	Thousands of times on every article and every news broadcast all over the place and have plenty of advertisers.
	So when YouTube tries to limit us from talking about this subject, they say advertisers don't want to be associated with you because you're talking about this subject, supposedly.
	But it's really what we say about the subject.
	In other words, we're putting it in question.
	And that sort of thing is very...
	They freak out when you actually try to question the party line, let's say.
	So, of course, we don't live in a democracy.
	That's an absurdity.
	And we do live in a...
	Basically, our media, especially, as you know, the mainstream, is really completely controlled.
	And even our president realizes that.
	Which is actually kind of funny.
	So, let's see.
	Okay, now I'm going to go to the chat and see.
	There's some questions I'm told here that people have paid for.
	Do I use...
	I have used MMS when...
	I got sick a long time ago.
	Actually, Bill Ryan and I, we went to Russia, and we caught some kind of flu-like bug when we interviewed Bariska.
	And that's the first time we found out about MMS, and that's the first time we used it.
	And nothing else would cure whatever we had.
	We were sick for about two weeks.
	And then we took MMS. And I took a very little amount.
	I have to say it's very potent.
	And I have a very sensitive system.
	So I only took like two drops type of thing.
	I can't even stand to take more than that at any one sitting.
	But it did cure us right away.
	Like within two days both of us were completely healed.
	And I do use it from time to time.
	Recently I had a cold and I used it then and of course it got rid of it.
	So, you know, it's very, very useful.
	I'm also using the oxygen drops.
	I think that's basically the same thing as MMS except it's not quite as potent.
	So, you know, it's not as hard on the system, I would say.
	I got this message saying someone's paying for questions and I should answer their questions.
	But I can't find the questions, to be honest.
	I'm scrolling here.
	Thank you for ordering my book.
	That person, thank you very much.
	Will I ever do a video about the stolen children?
	Well, contact me if you think you're a stolen child.
	There are, of course, Missing 411, and I've done lots of shows on that sort of thing.
	And, of course, Mark Richards talks about this a lot.
	But if you have information about In your own life, being stolen.
	I'm not sure what you mean by stolen, but feel free to contact me at Carrie at projectcamelot.tv and tell me more about your story.
	And, you know, if it's sufficiently interesting and unusual, then we'll bring you on the show.
	So, did a terrorist group release the virus?
	You know, I have to say, terrorist groups, actually, to be honest, most terrorism is state-financed.
	Once you know that, that's where false flags come from.
	That, in other words, you can look at the situation and realize that the CIA is running most terrorism, so-called terrorism, again, state-financed.
	The CIA is a worldwide organization, so it could be run out of any country.
	And so I don't subscribe to this use of the word terrorist.
	I think it's nonsense and it's a misdirect.
	But if you mean did some nefarious group...
	Yeah, the CIA release it.
	I don't know.
	I do know that there's a lot of information on my website.
	So if you go...
	Also, you should subscribe to my Twitters or Facebook.
	And I'm posting constantly...
	So a lot of this information is being posted over and over again for people with links.
	But on my front page, if you go to the post that I made, plus the video, I've now copied and posted all the links on that page, and there's a hell of a lot of information.
	It's a mixed bag, but it appears that, yes, it definitely had to be manufactured in Wuhan.
	And then how it was spread from there is, and I've said on my video, that Mark Richards claims, and this was way before it came out, about six months ago he told me that China was intending to...
	Eliminate a certain portion of the population, eventually something on the order of 500 million, and that this coronavirus, now that it's come out, I visited him recently and asked him again about this, and he said, yes, this is what they're doing, although the evidence is that this coronavirus hides another much more deadly virus.
	That more deadly virus, other than one Chinese Communist Party whistleblower, which I've got.
	I posted that on my website, so just go to the coronavirus pages and scroll down until you get to the article.
	It's also on the internet everywhere, but it's a Chinese Communist Party whistleblower who claimed...
	Coronavirus was a cover virus to hide the release of something much more diabolical.
	They didn't really build hospitals in China.
	All they did was take buildings that were actually sort of like, if I understand it correctly, prisons and convert them into hospitals and But they're basically death wards where they're just, you know, burning bodies and killing, you know, these people with this virus and something much more diabolical again than coronavirus.
	Now, it does appear more and more to me that coronavirus is a kind of what you call a meme.
	So it is becoming a way to corral and control people.
	And I think it's a grand test or experiment that may be being put in place.
	It's basically kind of a 9-11.
	So it's an inside job.
	It started in China, obviously, and then it's being picked up by the Illuminati in various other parts of the world and used as a control mechanism.
	The actual truth of real coronavirus deaths, so to speak, if you follow their numbers, which could be lies, but of course.
	But assuming you do, then you'll see that More people die of cancer.
	More people die of bee stings.
	More people die of...
	What was this other thing that somebody was telling me?
	I forget what it was.
	It's something really ludicrous.
	In other words...
	Oh, I know.
	Screwing in light bulbs.
	Believe this or not.
	Yearly than what's going on with coronavirus.
	So you've got to stop and look at the situation.
	They're hyping it up majorly, needless to say...
	They are definitely controlling, corralling people.
	The fear issue is huge.
	5G appears to be part of this control chain.
	I see it as sort of a list of dominoes.
	So what we have is we have first and foremost at least 10 years of chemtrails that have been weakening the human immune system and well-proven By people that have analyzed scientifically the ingredients in chemtrails around the world.
	So we know the things like barium and aluminum and other things in them, plus the nano, which is a tracking, not only a tracking device, but also lends itself to being manipulated by AI and 5G, etc.
	And then comes 5G, right?
	Now, the place in Italy where we've had the most evidence of the virus, by coincidence, is a 5G rollout area in Italy.
	And I think it's called Lombardi.
	Now they've shut down the entire country.
	And yet, if I understand it correctly, there's only been something like 356 deaths.
	Well, that's nothing.
	So I also believe that they're also aiming.
	It's kind of like a brush fire in a forest.
	So they're going for what you call low-hanging fruit, which means the people they can kill the easiest, which is what?
	The old people.
	Old people older who are already suffering from respiratory issues due to the 10 years of chemtrailing.
	And so add 5G that takes the oxygen out of the air, right?
	And that's been proven.
	And I've got all the links and all the articles on my website proving all of this.
	And so you've got that added, and then on top of that you throw in a weaponized flu, which is more or less the same kind of flu that's always coming around every year, but nonetheless it's maybe sort of increased to some degree.
	And what happens is that most people that are young are going to survive this, and the older people, the really older people, are going to die.
	And again, it's kind of like I say, like a brush fire, and then the trees survive, and then they've reordered society by putting limitations.
	If they do create a mandatory kind of a vaccine, God knows what they'll put in it, but it'll definitely be preparing you for the next virus that comes along, and not in a good way.
	And it'll probably be, you know, worthless as far as vaccines go, but it will also be putting a concoction into your bloodstream and that of your children, etc.
	So this is always the Illuminati thing.
	And it will probably also further the transhumanist agenda.
	So the transhumanist agenda is one of their end games, obviously.
	They want to change to humanity 3.0.
	They don't want the current version of humanity to survive because they don't think it's robust enough.
	So they can't go out and conquer other civilizations interstellar with the type of human being they've got right now.
	Although, this is in my book and it's also in Mark Richards talks about it.
	Very, very interesting coincidence because he didn't know my philosophy about this at all when he told me about it this time in his philosophy, which is that transhumanism is basically trying to reinvent the wheel, which is this human body, this vehicle that we occupy has amazing properties and That have been completely overlooked and not really explored fully.
	Except by, you could say, occasionally yogis in the East and people like me that connect their chakras and have kundalini samadhi experiences, etc.
	So this is the kind of thing, and I write about it in my book.
	Mark Richards is talking about it.
	There is another path.
	But the Illuminati and the ones who run the secret space program coming down from the Germans, obviously, are all about the universal soldier, enhanced soldier, and all of that.
	So you can bet that if they do create a virus...
	Such as coronavirus.
	And then they create a vaccine.
	That vaccine is going to contain, it'll probably contain nano, it'll contain some form of a transhumanist sleeper amount of stuff.
	In other words, it's highly suspicious.
	On top of it, of course, we believe that there's going to be some kind of monetary reset.
	And this has been threatened for many, many years, and Camelot has talked about it for ages.
	The evidence is that with this worldwide so-called pandemic being so successful, I mean, in Italy, they're told to stay home.
	They're not just shutting down the entire country, but they're also telling people in that country to stay home.
	So now I understand that maybe Italy has a lot of old people in it as well.
	So that's an interesting dynamic.
	And of course run by the Vatican and the reptilians and so on.
	So that's a huge can of worms.
	But it's also a tragedy.
	And...
	We're going to have to see where all of this goes in the United States.
	There's no doubt that Wuhan was a 5G hotbed, and it most likely was also having 10 years of chemtrails before that.
	So you can appreciate that the population was primed.
	For the release of any virus, you name it, and maybe several different ones.
	We only know of more or less two, and the only reason we know there's at least two is because of this Chinese party whistleblower.
	And now there have been other articles coming out saying, well, it looks like there might be more than one coronavirus-type thing going around.
	There's no doubt that the virus will mutate, and that is exactly what it's doing, and I'm sure this The process will continue.
	So how far they get with all of this, I don't know.
	I don't know what the very end game will be.
	I don't know if it's a financial reset, if it's instituting the New World Order, if it's permanently forcing you to be vaccinated everywhere on the planet before you can travel, that kind of thing.
	With 9-11, when that went through, What they got was a whole grab bag of taking away a lot of our freedoms, as you may remember, because they put it all under this topic of terrorism and everyone bought into it and just let them kind of run wild with all of that.
	So that was an agenda that was stimulated by sort of an incident of basically a false flag situation.
	And now we have the coronavirus as another one of those major milestones, it appears.
	Now, at the moment, I'm thinking this could still disappear.
	It could still dissipate.
	And I also think it may be racially targeted.
	And, of course, they could never tell you that.
	But in Camelot, we know from many years, I've had many whistleblowers who have talked about racially targeting viruses and basically being able to shoot EMF weapons, particle beam weapons.
	and target certain races, etc.
	So they definitely are on the road to do that.
	And this certainly does seem to be focused on the Asian community.
	At least at first.
	Now, whether it's being mutated to also cover, you know, whatever other races they want, I don't know.
	But this is the kind of thing.
	Now, there's a very good research out there, and I'm sorry I don't have her name on hand, but I've got her links to her video and stuff, and I think I liked her video, so it should be on my liked videos.
	But at any rate, she did some good research about cruise ships.
	And cruise ships are...
	Basically, targeted petri dishes that are run on 5G. And this is where you get the outbreaks of coronavirus happening sort of in a massive way on those various ships.
	And the reason is because it's in a closed space, obviously, and it's targeted by a satellite that is beaming down 5G on that ship, providing a perfect environment That is sucking the oxygen out.
	And humans with, of course, who have been chemtrailed again for 10 years, who have respiratory issues, are then, you know, in the perfect position to break out with any kind of virus you might wish them to have.
	And it appears that, again, this flu-like virus is a reaction to 5G in a big way.
	And that Huawei company It's extremely diabolical, and they have released it massively in Asia, and they do need a cover because it's going to kill people and probably already has massively, for example, in places like Wuhan, China.
	So these are the kinds of things that we're looking at.
	Now, I'm going to see what time is it?
	Okay, we are right around the time when I should be able to get Max Egan on the show.
	And if I didn't get to your questions, I hope we can do that maybe later.
	So thank you for your patience in this way.
	And let me see if I can get him on the phone here.
	Michael Aquino.
	I guess you mean Michael Aquino, the military guy who's also a magician.
	He was interviewed, by the way, by, in case you don't know, by Miles Johnston a year or so back.
	Whatever.
	You know, you can listen to that.
	I know a certain researcher who's in contact with Michael Aquino.
	And of course, Douglas Dietrich talks at length about the Presidio, what went on up there, and Douglas worked for Michael Aquino for many years.
	So he's the best witness with regard to Michael Aquino, I would say.
	I did say recently in my recent Mark Richards interview that Mark Richards mentioned that Michael Aquino was a longtime enemy of Mark Richards.
	I interviewed a few people with regard to the movie The Matrix.
	Sophia, I forget her last name, but Sophia is one person who's written a book and also claims to be the author of The Matrix and The Terminator.
	And she's a very interesting woman and I've interviewed her actually more than once.
	So you can just search under her first name and you'll find her interviews on my YouTube channel.
	I've also interviewed a couple of guys recently.
	I don't have their names in front of me, but they also claim, well, one in particular claims to be an author of a related material to The Matrix, and he's also filed a lawsuit, apparently, in that regard.
	Sophia thinks they are scammers or whatever.
	They think...
	They're telling the truth.
	It's a huge dilemma.
	You know, again, it's that divide and conquer where individuals are at each other's throat, but they don't realize if they would band together, they might be able to, you know, fight the beast, so to speak.
	Hi, Debra.
	Hi.
	Okay, so this is Carrie, obviously, and I'm going to bring you on the show if that's okay.
	Okay, great.
	More than just what we see as far as the pandemic, and I'm sure, Carrie, that your audience and all of you that are listening realize that, and we'll be talking about some specific information from the Rockefeller Foundation that will address what the intentions are, and we'll get into that a bit more, but right now I'm just testing to see if everyone can hear, and I can jump into it a bit at any point.
	I know you're trying to get a hold of Max Egan too in Australia.
	Okay, wait one second.
	Yeah, okay.
	So while everybody is listening while you're trying to do that, I can certainly encourage everybody also to go to StopTheCrime.net and go to our YouTube video channel where we have many current YouTubes of recent trauma meetings that I call them that certainly This has caused us,
	many of our researchers in StopTheCrime.net, to really have trauma responses to the information as we work our way through it.
	And truth trauma is what I like to call it.
	And we'll be talking about some of the meetings that we have attended locally here in Northern California and how these meetings are rolling through your cities right now everywhere worldwide.
	It is an enormous military operation that is set to literally segregate communities into small microgrids.
	So I don't want to keep going on, Carrie, with what I would like to cover during the program unless you want me to just keep talking at this point.
	Actually, because we are just starting with you, and at the moment, I'm going to try to see if Max has joined us or is simply...
	Yeah, it's very strange.
	It doesn't look like he's there, but I need to double check.
	So hold on one second while we do this.
	And you can actually continue to talk.
	Okay, great.
	Well, I'm going to cover a few things right now, Carrie, while you're working your end out.
	One of the things, we are still investigating, but I thought I would certainly throw it out there for all of you that are listening.
	You may know certainly that I am in Santa Rosa here in Northern California, roughly about an hour north of the Golden Gate Bridge.
	And we wanted to certainly mention the fires.
	I know Max Egan from Australia would certainly be talking about the fires and the recent floods and the intentional aspects of these fires with the use of a variety of directed energy weapons.
	But an interesting thing that we recently stumbled into here And I started to, you know, our team started to look into this, were the enormity of the defense contractors that have been hired in the Santa Rosa, Sonoma County area where I am.
	They are literally bringing in millions and millions of dollars into the local economy.
	And some of these defense contractors Our working and creating laser weapons systems.
	And it has been mentioned by several comments under my YouTubes that this corresponds to the operations in Santa Rosa.
	And they're wondering if it does.
	And of course, we know that it does.
	But what's also interesting about the enormity of the defense movement The money that's coming into Sonoma County is that this is a false indicator of our local economy because it's literally a pump and dump situation and I'll explain that.
	What we're finding is that the billions and billions of dollars that are coming into likely many economies around the country and worldwide under U.S. defense And because we are all the enemy, so knowing that we,
	the people, are the enemy and that billions of dollars and millions of dollars in certain circumstances comes into various communities for literally manufacturing military weapons systems that are being used against us.
	It's important that we look at this in our communities and What we're observing with this increased black budget military funding is that it's inflating all our local economies by pumping in huge sums of black budget funds,
	which are coming, of course, from drug money, from trafficking, from taxes stolen from we the people, and tax avoidance schemes, and all of the criminality behind What now is the operation of our false government because, of course, we all now recognize that our government is operated by a corporate structure.
	We're USA, Inc., and we are operated by the megacorporations pretending to be a government of which they're not.
	But what we find is these monies are coming in.
	They're building infrastructure or buildings.
	for the operations and creations of weapons they have enormous employee payrolls they have housing needs in your areas in our areas and in our area too which creates a higher wage earner and they can afford more expensive housing they can certainly afford all the restaurants and all of the local features that local economies bring and Of course,
	our local businesses profit, such as restaurants and grocery stores, schools, gyms, and everything else.
	But the cities and counties make increased property tax revenue from soaring land values, which is an enormous problem for us here.
	And that's creating false values in property, and it's locking out local wage earners who struggle to survive in the communities that they once loved and that they could afford to live in.
	And they no longer can.
	And certainly that's demonstrated because we have managed in Sonoma County to be the, as I understand, one of the larger homeless communities here in California.
	And it is horrific to see the number of homeless encampments along the roads of people that were displaced because of the fires, the loss of housing because of the fires.
	We lost thousands of homes.
	And we had a turnover in property, particularly in vacation rentals, which Airbnb runs, which is Alphabet, which is Google.
	And certainly all of those values have, and the properties have been taken out of the local market so that people cannot live here on a month-to-month tenancy, while property owners make far more money in a few days of rent than if they were while property owners make far more money in a few days of rent than if they were to rent it out month-to-month That's one of the intentions behind Airbnb.
	It's pumping and eliminating housing out of communities all over the world.
	That's part of the plan.
	But what's even worse is, with the idea of military monies coming in for building of weapons systems, is that the local corporate agencies, our cities, our cities, All of our cities are corporations.
	And they all work for the IMF, the International Banking Cartel, and the United Nations.
	And all of the agendas that are passed and come through are on autopilot.
	And the staffers write all these agendas, giving the illusion that our local elected agencies City Councils and Boards of Supervisors make these decisions.
	They do not.
	And this entire operation is creating enormous debt within our cities and tensions are growing in our communities as families face hardships that have been intentionally schemed.
	But what we have is we're being intentionally deprived, and everyone knows that, through a trap of deception.
	And indoctrination that has been set to confine our dreams, our hopes and our aspirations.
	And that is what is encompassing in the agendas.
	We're being literally brought down into a third world country with the collapsing of our economies now.
	And we've always been shown as the shining light on the hill to other countries.
	That have been taught that the United States represents a beacon.
	That's a manufactured disinformation strategy so that other countries can envy what we are now being set upon.
	So in other words, because we are run by the International Banking Cartel and the IMF and the United Nations, as foretold in the Okay, so hold on one second.
	I think we might have Max Egan with us now.
	Hello?
	Okay.
	Hey, Kerry.
	Hi, is this Max?
	It is.
	It's Max.
	I'm a few minutes late.
	It's actually just after one o'clock now, darling.
	Alright, yes.
	Well, we had a time change here called Daylight Savings Time that we didn't figure on, and so we did bring in Debra Tavares.
	She's here with us as well, so I thought we could do sort of a roundtable with both of you.
	Not a problem.
	Great.
	Well, hello, Max.
	We have communicated, and I'm glad to finally be speaking with you.
	This is Debra.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Nice to connect with you, Debra.
	All right.
	Likewise.
	Great.
	So just, Deborah, I'm sorry we had to interrupt you there.
	I know you were sort of on a roll, but we can backtrack there in a little while.
	At the moment, I want to bring Max...
	forward to say, Max, can you briefly introduce yourself?
	I have your bio, or at least a kind of a bio, on my website, but for the people that may not know who you are, and it would be very nice to have you introduce yourself.
	Well, my name is Max Egan.
	I have a website called thecrowhouse.com.
	I do a radio show called Surviving the Matrix.
	I've been doing that for probably 12 years now, 11 or 12 years.
	I'm just an independent researcher, activist.
	I've been on this path for a very long time.
	I've spent my life as a musician, living mostly on the outside of society, and it kind of gave me that...
	point you know I sort of watched the freak show from outside the cage and um yeah when it when it became necessary I figured you know it was time to sort of turn my hobby into my main activity because it you know it just became necessary because of the situation we're in so yeah I mean not a lot to say really that that's the point I think is that you know I'm just I'm just one of the people and and that you don't have to actually be somebody to stand up and make a difference you've just got to be prepared to speak look I think it's a lockdown that's going on around the whole world
	I think that's what this coronavirus is.
	There's talk that it's an engineered bioweapon.
	That could be, you know, highly likely.
	I don't think it's anywhere near as deadly as what they're saying it is.
	It seems to tell old people, if anybody.
	I'd say I'd be vulnerable, someone like me.
	But...
	It's all about the cover for what they can do underneath it.
	The economic collapse they can bring about from this.
	And they're virtually turning the whole world into a police state at the same time.
	It's a lockdown.
	What we've seen in Italy, it'll come here, it'll come everywhere.
	And the media's pushing.
	It gives them the right to detain and decontaminate anybody that they like.
	That sounds wonderful.
	You know, and people who breach the Health Act and won't go with them can face up to five years in jail, $250,000 fine.
	So, you know, it's a cover for everything else they want to do, I think.
	I think as so far as it's a worldwide pandemic, I think it's a complete scam.
	scan.
	We don't think it's anywhere near as deadly as they say.
	I think more people die from the flu every year, more people die from suicide at what the government does to them every year than what they do from this pandemic.
	More people have probably died from Hillary Clinton so far than this pandemic.
	But the governments are using it the same as they're going to, I think, in every country.
	They're going to use it to lock down travel, at least make people fearful of travel.
	I mean, at the moment, I'm even fearful of travel, not in as much as the coronavirus, but the fact that I might get put in two weeks quarantine on every given flight that I take, you kind of wonder what's the point of trying to travel anywhere, you know?
	And it's the same here.
	So, yeah, I think it's the same here as what we're seeing everywhere, Kerry.
	It's a police state.
	That's what it is.
	It's a means of bringing about all sorts of legislation they've wanted to bring about all the time and doing it around the whole world at the same time.
	Well, that's absolutely correct, Max.
	In fact, we actually have a Rockefeller scenario report that came out in 2010 that specifically speaks to the use of bioweapons to impose martial law one quarantine at a time.
	And this report is fascinating because it dives into what the plans are, and you did a nice job at summarizing What you believe it to be and I can support you with the Rockefeller intention that that is in fact what is occurring.
	So with that in mind, the documents themselves talk about exactly what a pandemic is about.
	And this Rockefeller report took a year to put together.
	It was multiple agencies that worked on this and outsiders as well.
	And it is a scenario report.
	And what that means, it's planning And allows the Rockefeller agency to achieve impact more effectively.
	Now let's back up and talk about some of the false realities that Rockefeller has created for all of us.
	Certainly the idea that petroleum was a fossil fuel to make more money for the Rockefeller takedown was always false.
	Petroleum is a renewable.
	And that was the Rockefeller scheme to devise the petroleum as a finite resource.
	Also, Rockefeller managed to corrupt and take over all the schools.
	We know that back in the early 1900s, John D. Rockefeller always said then that they don't want a nation of thinkers.
	They want a nation of workers.
	So to that end, they are most absolutely...
	It's confining us into a reality and it goes really deep, Max, and I think you're going to be noticing as a result of all of the fires that you've been experiencing in Australia as well as then the severe floods, which we have been in exactly the same circumstances,
	severe floods to wash away the evidence of the directed energy weapon attacks and certainly we've been watching what they call resilient cities and We have been also seeing all the agents from all over the world that are coming out in droves to areas that have been hit with weapons, and we've been under attack in many, many ways.
	But back to what you were saying, absolutely.
	The intention is to confine us, and they have these steps that they talk about, lockdown step and lockstep, where in The world becomes tighter top-down and more government control and more authoritarian leadership, which with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback.
	And we're seeing that already worldwide as it is.
	And then they talk about hack attack and how economically unstable and shock-prone world in which governments weaken, criminals thrive, and dangerous Thank you, Deborah.
	Thank you.
	But before we kind of launch into all of that, can we get a little bit more information about what actually is happening in Australia?
	Because you're close to China.
	And I'm also curious what you're finding in terms of the intelligence.
	Are you getting the information that the Chinese have more than one virus going on?
	That the coronavirus is actually a cover?
	And are you also getting the information that 5G is contributing to the spread of the virus?
	Well, I'm absolutely certain that 5G is contributing to the spread of the virus.
	I mean, I think that's a lot of what 5G is about, among other things.
	And we're very close to China here.
	I mean, the times we have with China are absolutely phenomenal.
	They own so much of this country, it's absurd.
	And we even have a smart city in Darwin that has come online, similar to the Chinese smart cities.
	Which has similar social crediting, I think.
	I'm not sure whether social crediting is there, but I know they're monitoring and checking up on people's cell phones and what apps they're using and all this sort of stuff.
	They want to bring that in in Darwin because that's the main port that China uses here.
	So yeah, it's hugely affecting us, and it has huge ties here.
	I haven't heard that there's another virus, but I mean, so many reports that I hear in this community, I hear so many conflicting reports, and I find it very difficult to know which ones to confirm, so I just kind of go with my gut feeling on a lot of it.
	I analyze a lot of the news that's coming out from all sources, but I kind of believe none of it.
	But they're being slow about it here.
	We've got other things happening here as well, like a cash ban they want to bring in, where they want to ban transactions of over $10,000 and then gradually move that down to move us into a cashless society.
	But there's a huge pushback against it.
	One thing that I'm seeing in China, which is very disturbing, is a new app that they've got that they are making people download onto their phones, which will determine whether they have coronavirus or not.
	Not the doctors, not the government.
	The app decides whether you've got coronavirus and it gives you a colour coding of green, yellow or red and it alerts the authorities to your position, your location.
	That would be an interesting thing if they bring that in here as well.
	It would be interesting as well because I don't actually own a cell phone.
	I don't own a cell phone or I don't own a credit card.
	I've never owned those two things in my life and I will never intend on owning one.
	So I don't know how it's going to go with their whole social crediting thing.
	But it's certainly coming down to the wire here, darling.
	It's absolutely...
	They've got to be kind of gentle about it, because if Australians get wind of it, they will push back.
	They're a pretty staunch bunch if you get them roused.
	But we've been mainly disarmed, not completely.
	A lot of people do still have guns, but not enough, and no automatic weapons.
	But it shouldn't really come to that anyway.
	Hopefully if people would just...
	Stop what they're doing, put down all their cell phones, we'd be able to push back against this in the right way.
	I'm actually seeing a pretty big awakening here with a lot of people in that respect as well.
	A lot of people are kind of walking around scratching their heads.
	I'm wondering why it's all going the way it is, but then you've got the sleeping masses out there that are running out and doing the panic buying and everything else.
	But like I said, I'm getting conflicting reports of what this virus is, where the virus is, as deadly as it is, which lab it's even coming from.
	I mean, there's so much coming out.
	That it's very difficult to know what to believe.
	We don't get anything on the mainstream which gives us any type of real information at all.
	And it's even getting more and more difficult to search online because the algorithms are hiding so much.
	So you don't have, I don't know what city you're actually in, but do you actually have information coming forward about supposed numbers of cases, that sort of thing?
	Well, I'm We're hearing the cases are dropping in China and I'm hearing other reports that are climbing in China.
	I mean, I'm hearing reports that there's nobody left alive in Wuhan and I'm hearing reports that the cases are dropping in Wuhan.
	So, like I said, it depends on what you want to believe and which one is the true report.
	I don't personally know anybody on the ground in Wuhan or in China, so it's just difficult to know.
	All I can do is go with my gut feeling on it.
	But I don't think there's nearly as many cases as what we're being told.
	I think it's mainly 5G-induced.
	I think they can induce these symptoms in anybody they want, and I think that's what it means.
	You know, they can just claim, because they claim they can pick up anybody who's suspected of having coronavirus, but in the same breath, they say that you display no symptoms.
	So basically they can just pick up anybody they want and say, well, we suspect you're having coronavirus because you had a sniffle outside there.
	We're going to put you in this room.
	We're going to hit you with 60 gigahertz for a couple of days.
	Then you're going to develop all the symptoms and we're going to say that we're right and you're going to be gone.
	I mean, it's an easy thing to do this with people.
	So I don't know how much of the actual viral outbreak is real and how much of it has just been a controlled release in a certain area to create some victims and then just use propaganda and 5G to do it out across the rest of the world.
	I mean, that makes more sense to me for him to do it that way.
	Because would you really want this pathogen out there rampant around society?
	I mean, what if it killed somebody that you don't want it to kill?
	Far easier to target people with 5G and tell them that it's a virus, especially if you can put vaccinations in everybody to protect them against the virus when really there's targeting mechanisms within the vaccinations or trigger mechanisms within the vaccinations, however they want to do it.
	So I think it's probably more a scenario like that.
	Okay, well, along the same lines...
	Yeah, it's interesting, just let me throw this in, that this Netflix came out called Pandemic just a month or more ago.
	So I would recommend everybody listening, watch that if you have not yet, because it's certainly sponsored by Bill Gates and showing the need to have vaccinations and to come up with a vaccine that ultimately everybody will be vaccinated.
	And I agree with what Max is saying.
	5G does activate, in fact, the consequences of all of the increasing frequencies that have been amped up in our environment over the years, activates dormant viruses that are awaiting in our bodies from vaccinations.
	So we are being pummeled with a variety of assaults, and the things that they will never ever talk about and fervently deny are the effects of vaccines, Any idea around the idea that frequencies are a problem.
	And of course, there is no chemtrailing or no aerosol spraying overhead either.
	So I think we can pretty much see.
	Of course.
	And I can say that for the last 10 years, people have been chemtrailed, really more than 10 years.
	And that evidence is prevalent.
	So, Max, in terms of the chemtrails in Australia, are you aware of that?
	And have you documented it?
	Absolutely.
	We have a lot here.
	It's interesting, actually, someone sent me a piece of footage recently.
	One of my listeners of my show sent me some footage of a telescope laser scope, like a laser sighter, and he's shining it at night.
	Since the fires here, and it wasn't before the fires, but since the fires, there's all of these little spots that are coming up in the laser, and it doesn't matter whether you shine it outside or whether you shine it inside, there's all of these tiny little microparticles here.
	Floating around in the atmosphere now that weren't here before.
	We know that there was stuff that was in the atmosphere anyway, nanotech and stuff.
	They were spraying all the stuff that's in the chemtrails, and you can see things sometime.
	But this guy sent me a whole series of videos, and he's showing that you can see these spots.
	You can see them inside.
	You can see them outside.
	What are they?
	These are new things that are only coming up in laser light, and only since we've had the fires here.
	So I'm actually going to...
	Who's going to bring over a telescope laser site in the next couple of days?
	I'm going to check it out for myself.
	But that's very interesting as well.
	Whatever they're doing, I mean, something else I've noticed with this is they're locking down schools and locking down public gatherings and they're moving everybody inside.
	They want everybody inside looking at their screens.
	Even schools, kids need to go home and do their lessons through their computers.
	They want people looking at these screens all day.
	So what is it that they've just sprayed around the air?
	Why do they have everybody in front of their monitors?
	What are they putting in the vaccinations?
	And what are they about to activate when they switch 5G on everywhere?
	What's really going on here that we're missing is a point.
	There's another film interesting, another film that came out last year as well.
	I was just going to say, there's another film that you both might have missed that came out last year as well called In the Shadow of the Moon, which talks about injecting people with certain vaccines and then being able to trigger them by remote control and target people around the place.
	It came out last year.
	They talked about it through vaccines.
	They did trials with pigs.
	Right.
	And there's no doubt about it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what they're doing.
	And RFID chips, etc.
	Absolutely.
	And all of the nanoparticles that are in the chemtrailing and the nanobots.
	I'd be really interested to see what these new ones are.
	These new little things that are coming up in these laser lights.
	I'm very interested to know what these are and what the next plan might be, you know.
	Well, I talked before you both got on the air here with me when I was waiting.
	I was talking about the transhumanist agenda that's going to be backing in the background of the rollout of things like vaccines and viruses.
	And that this virus, going worldwide the way it is, is a kind of a test, I believe, to set up these zones around the planet that they can control.
	And then finding out if people really will stay at home, how they behave under these circumstances, and then obviously rolling out the next level of this sort of thing.
	I have one witness who talked about a possible sexual disease that he sees in the future.
	His name is Dr.
	Turi and he's an astrologer.
	Now, I hope he's wrong, because it sounds very diabolical, but it is very possible that this is like the first stage of something that is much more long-term and has different layers coming out.
	But I am very interested in the financial side of it.
	So, Max, if you're saying in Australia they're trying to go into this cashless society, and we know this is a worldwide push.
	You know, my boyfriend actually tried to put some money in an account in the UK, and he was surrounded by bank people asking him questions about what he did for a living.
	And it was only £200.
	It was a very small amount of money.
	But you see, putting cash in an account is considered suspect at this time.
	You're supposed to do it, you know, he went actually in person to the bank and brought the cash.
	So they don't want to deal with cash at all.
	And they're also saying cash carries the virus, right?
	So they're saying, you know, because it changes hands and all this sort of thing.
	So what they're trying to do is also, it seems, is limit human contact.
	Debra, you have some information you want to share, I think, about this rollout and keeping people out of rural areas.
	And I wonder if in Australia that would even work because the population and density is so low.
	But I don't know if Max has heard anything about that.
	Maybe you could talk a little bit about what you're hearing, Debra, and then he could react.
	Right, yes, absolutely.
	What we have happening here in the United States, and this is of course a worldwide plan of sustainable development, and what has now always been told to us is what we understand to be the Wildlands Project.
	And on StopTheCrime.net we have a map of the United States and how the Wildlands Project will preclude people from living in what they call unsustainable Open lands called the WUI, Wildlands Urban Interface.
	And we have been having insurance policies canceled right and left for people that are living outside of the city growth boundaries.
	And what we're discovering is it's easy to go to your city jurisdiction, your planning or building departments, and ask for a map of the city growth boundary nearest you.
	If you are outside of that city growth boundary, You are considered unsustainable and sprawl.
	And what we know has been occurring for a long while is mass and forced relocation of populations.
	And after the fires here and after the floods, because we had fires three years in a row here in Northern California and elsewhere, I mean, fires are one of the means in which to force relocation, burn down homes, And certainly turn areas into Superfund sites because much of the burned debris is highly toxic.
	It affects the groundwater supplies.
	And then, of course, all material costs skyrocket, making home replacement very difficult for many people, if not impossible.
	And it's a way in which to asset strip many that have some additional resources that would like to rebuild.
	But we're finding now that we're being told we don't have enough water.
	In certain areas outside of the city growth boundary, that will preclude us rebuilding.
	And when you cannot get insurance, you can't rebuild unless you're building with cash because the mortgage holders require insurance.
	And here in California and in the United States, they have fallback insurance policies.
	And in California, it's called the California Fair Plan.
	And of course, there is nothing fair about it.
	But they're making it illegal to live outside the city growth boundary, and they are doing that, again, by not providing insurance.
	They will not be providing different types of health services, such as fire services.
	What we're finding here is that basically our fire departments here are only behind the idea of evacuations if you're in the urban growth boundary.
	And paramedics are going to be reduced in their ability to serve the wild lands and they're reducing the water supply.
	That is a huge operation underway right now and we're finding that, of course, fracking uses a tremendous amount of water and they're saying the amount of energy To move water around is becoming so costly, certainly with dams and reservoirs that for many, many decades have not been attended to and are now very dangerous.
	We talk about that in many, many videos that we have up about the intentional asset stripping of all of the different types of infrastructure worldwide.
	And I know I have also friends, Max, in Australia that tell me about the amount of fracking and how the corporations are coming in and literally damming up the downhill flow of water by creating reservoirs and dams.
	And that is eliminating and preventing the surface water from getting to many of the farmers.
	But we also do have primary water and successful primary water drills have now recently occurred in Australia.
	Which is also being sold to us as we're running out of water and forcibly moving people off of lands and massive water restrictions when in fact it's very important to know that you can drill and get and access primary water.
	And we are the water planet, so we're standing on water.
	I agree completely, Debra.
	I just want to get Max's reaction, his understanding of some of the things you've just mentioned, whether or not he's aware of this move to get people to live in the cities.
	I myself live in a semi-rural area as well, and I think it's very interesting.
	I don't think anyone's going to take kindly to that kind of push.
	That you're describing, but I don't know in Australia, Max, have you seen any evidence of a drive to eliminate water, to also restrict insurance and ability to rebuild after fires, etc.?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, everything that Deborah said there is being precisely mirrored here.
	Slightly different modus operandi through it all.
	For example, in the insurance here in Australia, in New South Wales in particular, very interesting the setup they've got in New South Wales.
	The rural fire service is funded by a tax that is put on home insurance.
	Figure that one out.
	So, the insurance companies need to put their premiums up to cover the extra cost they've got to do because they've got to send money to the Rural Fire Service.
	So, of course, because the premiums are high, less people insure their homes.
	So, you end up with a lot of people that don't insure their homes and a lot of money depleted from the Rural Fire Service just because of the setup that they've got.
	And what they've done in Australia, they don't even call it summer here anymore.
	For the last 10 years, they've been calling it fire season.
	So they've put that into the minds of people.
	And what they do now is the government is saying, well, where you are is a high-risk area and you don't want to build there.
	We don't think it's safe for us to approve a building code there.
	So the government will buy your land back from you.
	And you can get a land parcel closer to town.
	If you are going to continue to live out in this area, the insurance premiums are going to be so high because it's a fire-prone area that you're choosing to live in that no one's going to insure your home.
	So this is the way they've sort of set it up here.
	And it's an exact mirror.
	I mean, we're seeing people driven off the country and into the cities.
	We're seeing entire...
	Like, they're growing cotton in the centre of Australia, for Lord's sake.
	I mean, this is one of the driest countries on earth.
	And we've got these huge cotton farms in the centre of the country that are diverting the water out of two river systems to feed these cotton farms.
	So this is depleting all of the rivers downstream and people are being told it's a drought.
	It's not a drought, it's manufactured.
	The north of the country isn't in any type of drought at all.
	You know, so it's exactly being mirrored.
	I mean, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, it's all around the world.
	There's no country that's safe from it.
	And what you're saying there, what you were describing there before, Deborah, I mean, I almost thought you were living here in Australia because of the things you were saying.
	This is exactly what they're doing.
	It's mirrored in every single country around the world.
	You know, they have the fires, they have the floods, they have all these rules and all these things and all these regulations, slightly different way of doing it depending on the local legislation and how they can get around it.
	But it's all about pushing people out, making it completely unviable for you to keep your place in the country and to keep everybody separated, get everybody scared of each other, no one talking to each other, everybody at home, everybody locked down, don't want to touch, don't want to talk, don't want to breathe on anybody, too many germs.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	Unfortunately, a lot of people are buying into it, but it's precisely mirrored.
	And I guarantee if you go and ask someone in Spain or you go ask someone anywhere where they've had any of these fires, Portugal, ask someone in Brazil, you'll find exactly the same things are happening.
	That's absolutely true.
	In fact, what occurred here, Max, and I'm sure maybe you have some of the same programs, it'll be interesting to compare notes, but our motto after the fires and the floods, they would say, Sonoma strong.
	I'm wondering if you're seeing any cities there called strong, because that's to represent the resilience programs that are initiated after we're hit with a weaponized weather event of some sort.
	Whether it is a fire with directed energy weapons, whether it's an atmospheric river that is dumping water and flooding out wastewater treatment plants, whatever that may be, but what happened here in Sonoma County, and something to watch for there,
	Max, is we hired, they hired, an accounting firm called EY, Ernst& Young, out of London, and there are different branches throughout the world, but Out of London, it's run by Rothschild and Rockefeller, and they've moved in because we have such a war-torn economic system now.
	We're absolutely destroyed economically here.
	Now we have this virus, and the plan is to bankrupt areas worldwide.
	This is all part of the plan.
	This is what Rockefeller and Rothschild tell us in their documents.
	The plan is to have no haves and have-nots.
	We're all on the same equal third country level.
	And part of what they're telling us with the requirements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is that we have to be back in the year 1750 where there was no mechanical or mechanization at all.
	And that would then lower the greenhouse gas emissions so we could prevent the climate from changing.
	And that's the same thing there in Australia.
	They're incredible, aren't they?
	Go ahead, Max.
	Yeah, it's the same.
	It's completely ridiculous.
	Now, we're doing the same thing here as well as evacuating entire towns.
	Like, just say, the fire's coming, the fire's coming, and the police would arrive, and they would move people out of town.
	And the firemen are saying, well, hang on, if you leave people here to put out spot fires, we'll save the town.
	But if we go and save one house at a time, by the time we've got to the other end of the town, it just takes one little spot fire to restart it.
	But if there's someone in the house, it might only take one little cup of water to put that fire out.
	But if you evacuate the people...
	Then the whole town's going to burn down.
	And that's what they did.
	Are they requiring?
	Are they forcing evacuations?
	Because here, they're asking for evacuations.
	They evacuated 180,000 people here in Sonoma County last October and November of 2019 because they were telling us that the fire was going to burn all the way to the coast, just like what was happening there in Australia.
	But many people stayed behind.
	They said that if you leave...
	You cannot return, but if you stay, well, then the consequences of what might happen to you in the front of a fire is yours to bear.
	Are you being forcibly evacuated?
	Well, they weren't forcibly, but they were very strongly advising people to leave.
	It wasn't forcibly, like not dragging them out and making them, but most people went.
	Most people went.
	A few people didn't, but most people went.
	About 90%, 95% of people went because they believed the propaganda.
	You had all these people come...
	screaming at your door, screaming out fear, terror, terror, the fire's coming, the firestorm is coming, the firestorm is coming, you know, and they do, they run, people run because they're scared and they think their government's here to protect them, you know, and most people left and most of the people in New South Wales couldn't, didn't have the insurance on their homes because of the way the and most people left and most of the people in New South Wales couldn't, didn't have the insurance on their homes because of the way the insurance premiums are set up with the rural fire service and there was no fire trucks because all of the funding, the lack of funding because no one's insuring their homes, I mean, it's a vicious loop that they set up and you can't tell me that's not done by design, I
	I mean, this is just basically a church.
	To do exactly what they're doing.
	A very, very clever, well-planned plan.
	Exactly.
	But the point is, why can't people see this?
	State is my mind that the average person on the street can't see how that works.
	I mean, they just go along with it.
	Sadly, I think you could agree that, in general, most people are so overwhelmed just surviving and running their daily lives in such a hyperactive state to meet all of their phony social obligations that people have no time to think logically. most people are so overwhelmed just surviving and running their And plus, most are completely mind-controlled anyway.
	Look at the false illusion that people have fallen into and the belief structure that has been manufactured.
	And now look at the weapons of psychotronics that can and are creating mass mind control and hive mining.
	So we can see the enormity of that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I want to ask both of you, let's start with Max, but the role of 5G, what is the role in Australia?
	And do you have Huawei in Australia?
	And has it rolled out 5G? Or is it still pending?
	It's rolled out, I think, in some places.
	I think it's switched on in Canberra.
	It's switched on in Perth.
	I think it's switched on in some areas in Brisbane.
	And 5G is all-encompassing.
	I mean, there's so many agendas involved with 5G. You know, it isn't just about bandwidth.
	It's about everything.
	I mean, they can target people with 5G. It's directed energy weapons, everything you can find in DARPA patents to do with directed energy weapons, crowd control, mind control, all this sort of stuff.
	It all runs on the 5G carrier waves.
	So...
	You know, the possibilities are endless.
	I don't even think they realize half of the possibilities of 5G yet.
	They're still getting through it, and eventually it will be AI doing these things.
	So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely being rolled out in some places.
	It isn't where I live.
	You can't even get cell phone reception where I live.
	It's good, actually, where I live.
	Terrible bandwidth for internet, but hey, I feel safer.
	What about Sydney and what about New South Wales?
	Those are fairly populated areas.
	I'm pretty sure it's on in places in Sydney, but they're pushing.
	A lot of people are pushing back, but they're just pushing it forward anyway.
	They're going to roll it out the way they always do.
	They get their agendas through all the time.
	We haven't managed to stop too much yet.
	But, you know, it's in most capital cities now, I think, but it isn't in the area where I live, which is good.
	There's a real pushback here not to have it here, but I don't think that they will succeed.
	Eventually, it will be everywhere, I think.
	Okay, well, somehow I doubt that it's going to be everywhere.
	I know the West is pushing back with Huawei, and Huawei has been very sort of aggressive in the Asian countries.
	That is clear.
	And it's no coincidence that, of course, the outbreak of coronavirus is linked to 5G and to the oxygen that it sucks out of the atmosphere and makes it difficult for your hemoglobin, if I understand it correctly, basically to carry oxygen to the heart, etc.
	So this is something that, in other words, It's going to kill people.
	It cannot be allowed to stand.
	It's not like something casual that people can get over.
	It doesn't appear that it's even viable.
	But at any rate, there does seem to be an escalation and a Kind of a ladder of rollout around the world and limitations, as you say, in various places.
	For example, here in California, my understanding is it's at LAX, but it's not out in our communities just yet.
	Although we see the boxes being put up everywhere.
	Yeah, we have them deployed here, Carrie, in Northern California.
	Exactly.
	And we're being also segregated by...
	Our utility companies now into what they call these microgrids.
	But I wanted to also, after Max was through talking about 5G, what we know is behind 5G because they tell us in their documents what 5G is for.
	So I could do that now, Max, if you're done talking about what you believe to be 5G and what you know.
	Sure, sure.
	You can share that with us.
	Right, okay.
	Well, of course we know that 5G is jamming our mineral channels and accessing our cells and destroying our DNA. And it is known.
	It is a weapon system.
	There are patents for the type of energy use in warfare, and that's what it is.
	And when we looked into the 5G, and we were told initially that it was the foundation for all of the smart cities, I think no one really understood that it is a network needed to handle all the data at high speed in combination with powerful space probe networks that will handle all the data that they collect from 5G and will become a breakthrough in mass
	surveillance of all people everywhere and a breakthrough in mass mind control And mass manipulation of people, which then goes the RFID implants, which will become a standard in requirements for all people to be RFID chipped.
	Many are chipped already.
	Many of the targeted individuals have chips.
	But those who reject the chip will not be able to buy or sell without an RFID chip.
	And the chip will be actually...
	Something that many people will want.
	Many people will want the convenience and the illusion of being able to swipe your hand keylessly to open up cars or access your apartments, your cooling systems in your homes, etc.
	And it will be trendy.
	But what we also know is what is behind it, it's a deadly weaponized frequency of electromagnetic fields And the chip, of course, we've all heard how it will be injected under our skin, and that's all of what the intention is about.
	And it features many aspects.
	It will connect to various electronic devices.
	We know that.
	The RFID chip and proper electronic device, you can have access to your bank accounts, to your virtual data, a virtual wallet, And your personal identification, your driver's license, etc.
	And they talk about how it will have all your medical information on the chip and it will be a GPS built into that which will be used to track your location and activities at all times.
	And we are seeing, I'll just inject this real fast right now, we are seeing enormous social credit networks now being set up Here in the United States, whereby we go to the post office or we go to our local supply store to buy supplies, paper, etc.
	And the bill that is generated is always asking, please rate your experience at the store or your experience with that particular person behind the counter.
	And they want to be given a rating between 1 and 5, 5 being the best.
	And we're seeing that happening now across the board where we are moving into a social credit scoring system as what China already has.
	So much of this is being stealthily deployed now on the backs of all of the trauma and all of the PTSD that's being caused when we're hit with all these weapon events.
	But the CHIP will know your health.
	And even your moods and will be able to even influence your health status and your mood status as well as remotely make you blind so you can't see anything and remotely make you deaf so you won't hear anything as well as making you dumb so you can't even speak and remotely monitoring and recording everything you see even.
	And we know that it will also record everything you hear And monitor and record everything you speak.
	Manipulate your memories.
	They can swipe memories.
	We know that.
	We know that they can remotely create false memories of realities that you never even experienced and remotely make you feel pain in selected parts of your body.
	That's extremely common.
	With many people now worldwide, and that is part of the reason that we have the opioid epidemic, because people are just in pain everywhere.
	There's an excellent Netflix that I would highly recommend called The Pharmacist.
	If you have not seen it, I would recommend that you do.
	But they can remotely monitor whether you're hungry or thirsty, remotely monitor...
	When you want to go to the toilet, it can even make you go to the bathroom.
	I've talked to many people who have been chipped and have been tracked and monitored, the targeted individuals of this world of which there are millions, and how we can be set up to even be assassins remotely.
	Through chipping and through all of the cell towers and all of the frequencies that are interrupting our ability to think.
	I just want to interject here, Debra, that according to one of my whistleblowers that's very high level, they're not going to use a chip for this matter, for what you're talking about.
	Well, they don't have to because of all of the nano.
	They don't need it anymore.
	Yes, it's in the nano and it's already in our bloodstreams.
	Got our frequencies.
	They've been reading our frequencies, and this is the kind of thing going on.
	So it will not necessarily be something that we can, in other words, vote on or veto.
	And in fact, this latest coronavirus vaccine, for example, Could easily be injecting in our bloodstream some chip that's related to this, like an overall, sort of what we say, a link to Skynet, which is the ultimate, you know, mother of all central areas in, you know, in command, a command and control center, as they call them.
	So, yeah, all I'm saying is that he said that chips were actually old school, And that what they were bringing forward were things that were already in our bloodstream, ways of tracking us, etc.
	I don't know how this is going to manifest exactly, but I can tell you that that's what I was told actually a couple years ago.
	So it is really interesting.
	Max?
	It wouldn't surprise me if they used something like bioacoustic resonance.
	I mean, there's all sorts of ways they can do it to identify you.
	Bioacoustic resonance just sends a sound frequency off your bones, which is unique to you.
	That's your fingerprint.
	That becomes your password.
	They don't even need to use retinal scans or anything like that.
	You know, the chips, I think...
	I mean, people will carry their cell phones around with them.
	Most people are so addicted to their cell phones that they don't need a chip in them.
	They pick their cell phones up 200 times a day.
	They don't need a microchip.
	They're already tracked.
	We're already monitored.
	And when you look at the interface that we have as well, the interface that we have between the technology that we're using, these LED screens that we're looking at and stuff like that, when you think of us as being electrical beings and all the electricity we're giving out, every thought you have is an electrical impulse that leaves your hand.
	How much of that are you transferring into AI through your computer monitor?
	How are we being pulled into the virtual world wirelessly through these monitors and through these devices and not even knowing it?
	I got targeted a month or so ago and I went through a week of complete discombobulation.
	I got hit by something while I was lying in my bed.
	It completely flipped my mind and really, really messed me up for about a week.
	But what I got from it was the way...
	The way we are being led into AI without even knowing it, everyone's photographing everything and cameras everywhere and all the stuff that we're transferring into the virtual world.
	How hard would it be to create a virtual reality within the mainframe and pull you in there without you even knowing that it had been done?
	Yeah, that's the sort of stuff that I was getting, how far they want to take this.
	I've had experiences recently, like, we know that our cell phones listen to us, that our computers listen to us, that we're monitored in everything we do.
	But I've been sitting here the other day, like I've got some arthritis in my thumb and I use turmeric for it.
	And I was just sitting here thinking, gee, I need to get some more turmeric.
	I didn't say it out loud, I just thought it.
	And within two minutes, I had two emails arrive trying to sell me turmeric from Amazon.
	I mean, that was pretty random.
	How often do you get emails to sell you turmeric from Amazon, you know?
	So, you know, they're already monitoring our thoughts just sitting here in front of a computer screen.
	And I don't have a cell phone.
	phone.
	I don't have any of that mobile technology.
	We're not hearing you, Matt.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You're not hearing me?
	Yeah, we did hear you, but yes, there's some fluctuation in our connection with you.
	So you're saying that you believe that they're reading our thoughts, and there's a lot of evidence to this effect.
	I think all of us can give examples of that type, where we didn't even speak aloud something that we thought we It's all frequency.
	Everything is a frequency, even the thoughts.
	But I don't...
	Personally, I mean, I know we have...
	This is a very sort of a litany of all the things going on, and I think we have to keep aware of their plans, so to speak, because how else are we going to defend ourselves?
	But the idea is also that we are going to have to learn...
	To do certain tricks in order to defy the mind reading capability of the AI and deceive the AI. In fact, there is an old agent trick.
	I don't know if either of you have heard of it, in which you think of snow in your head.
	And I do this when I go through customs, for example.
	Because they're reading your thoughts as you're standing there.
	They love to make you stand there and sweat in customs, although lately they've been allowing you through faster because they've got scanners and all these kind of things in airports and so on.
	But one of the things that you can do is to blank out an AI and to get them out of your head is to think of snow.
	Apparently, that whiting out of, you know, mentally like an image of snow in your head.
	Basically, it's a blind.
	It puts a blind in front of and interrupts.
	Also, illogical thought.
	These kinds of things also throw the AI, you know, for a loop.
	So if you're good at sort of free association, you know, free associating, and especially creative artists are very good at this, of which I own.
	And so I practice thinking of illogical things in sequence.
	And also, you know, you can also project.
	In other words, we are receivers, but we're also projectors.
	By the same token, you can also project your thought on an AI, and you can project it on the security and people that are trying to scan you.
	You can, in essence, be putting up a force field of a kind.
	We do have techniques that can protect us in these circumstances, and it's going to become more and more important That people begin to do these kinds of things and learn how to protect themselves.
	Because, obviously, there's almost no stopping.
	There's also alien AI that's invading the planet and has already many, many millennia ago invaded the planet in various guises.
	So we're not just dealing with our AI. We're also dealing with incoming aliens.
	And various visitor races, etc.
	So this is a big story.
	And it doesn't just stop with when coronavirus is suddenly, if a ban is lifted and people can suddenly travel more freely.
	There's no doubt there's going to be residual things, just as when 9-11 came out.
	Those sort of rules and regulations never disappeared after so-called, you know, the threat of terrorism, so-called, you know, which is basically state-sponsored, has supposedly lessened, if you will.
	So there are methods that one can undertake.
	There's nothing stronger than consciousness because we're linked to the creator.
	And the field that can be created by humans that link up virtually.
	In other words, we don't have to be in the same time and place even.
	To do this.
	These are things that we're going to be learning as, you know, in mass.
	Humans are going to have to protect themselves, have to learn techniques they have not been experiencing or doing consciously.
	Even some people do it unconsciously.
	Some people are very good at it.
	I, for one, can make myself invisible.
	I've done it accidentally in the past when I was younger and then found out that I was doing it.
	Simply because there is an ability to cloak yourself in such a way that the beings around you don't see you anymore.
	So there are a lot of different techniques and ways in which we will be able to withstand some of the craziness that's out there.
	And of course, these are the things, the powers that be, that don't want you to know.
	Well, that's true.
	And as you said, those are things we must learn in order to survive.
	And there will be many in the peripheral that will learn techniques.
	And sadly, sadly, millions of people will die.
	And that is, of course, the plan.
	We know that it's a massive depopulation plan.
	But I was looking at this Rockefeller document, as you were talking, Carrie, about the various types of methodologies to...
	Intent before you express it.
	And they talk about technology trends and applications that will come out of pandemics besides just lockdowns.
	And they talk about how scanners will be used to advance functional magnetic resonance imaging.
	That's called F, as in Frank, MRI. And its technology becomes normal at airports and other public areas like your grocery stores.
	To detect abnormal behavior that can indicate antisocial intent.
	And this is all pre-crime.
	This was already rolled out in New Orleans back after Katrina.
	And they're literally able to do that, and they have.
	And as you were saying, too, the quarantine will be restricting person-to-person contact.
	And they're saying that cellular networks will be overloaded.
	So part of learning how to survive with the snowing out of our minds for AI will also be for communities to interconnect with alternative types of communication, be it walkie-talkies or ham radios.
	We know now that the fire departments here, CAL FIRE in particular, has been taking out the ham radio repeaters so that our communication abilities are massively reduced.
	It is all about isolating us, and that is what the microgrids are all about.
	And I think, Max, you're going to start seeing, if you haven't already, besides the fact that Ernst& Young will move in and create new revenue for a war-torn Australian and other areas in your neck of the woods, the land down under, but they'll come in and they're going to create revenue out of...
	Out of natural resources, and I have a video up on StopTheCrime.net about what they cite on their website, again, Ernst& Young, E-Y, Ernst& Young, as natural resources.
	And they will even not only be talking and taxing transvaporation that comes out of grass when we graze our cattle, but they will also be charging for air.
	And while that sounds insane, it is insane.
	And those are all parts of new revenue schemes because we know that with the increased electromagnetic frequency, the oxygen is being absorbed.
	And we're seeing increases in algae and toxic algae blooms as oxygen is being depleted in the waters worldwide.
	So it is a massive assault on so many levels, Carrie, as you were saying, in a deeper sense.
	But on the...
	On the protective side of things, we'll have to learn many things.
	We're going to have to learn self-dependence and become more self-reliant with a network of people that understand various degrees of what we face.
	Because when I go to meetings here, and Max, tell me if you notice this where you are, but they are talking about creating these microgrids To create smaller areas of delivering electricity to because of the blackouts we've been having.
	And we know that the power shutdowns and the blackouts are in the UN Agenda 21 plans.
	Are you having blackouts there and are you hearing any vocabulary around the words of microgrids?
	Look, we haven't been having any blackouts here, but there has been talk about small stats.
	We're in a pretty unique position here in as much as a lot of people in this country simply aren't going to go along with the stuff that they're doing.
	We're in a unique position as much as the entire Australian government is completely invalid and a lot of people are waking up to it.
	I personally don't do a damn thing they say.
	I don't pay any taxes to them.
	I don't vote when it's compulsory to vote.
	I don't pay any of my fines to them.
	If they ever send me a letter, I put all rights reserved on the envelope and I send it back to them We've got the Australian Aboriginal people who have, through the government's own folly, they've actually put in an act a couple of years ago called the Recognition Act, which recognises that there are two lots of people here in this land.
	There are those who came with the ships from Britain and there are the original people and that their law still holds.
	And by making that known and putting out that act, they actually empowered people The original people so that their law can still hold sway on this land.
	So you can go and treaty with the original people.
	I've actually been adopted by the original people.
	And now on this country where I stand, I don't give a damn about one law, one thing they write on paper.
	My only allegiance on this country is to the original law of the original people.
	And that's the way I live my life.
	I don't care what they do.
	I will not go along with any of it.
	And if they want to take my license...
	Fine, I will drive without a license.
	I'll do all the stuff without them.
	That's what I will do.
	And a lot of the people in this country are getting wind of this, and we're really starting to push back in this country.
	Now, we're in a pretty unique position here because when the ships arrived and actually claimed this country for England, They were in breach of their charter when they did it.
	There were already 30 nations that existed on this country and the fact that the Crown came here and claimed the land for England is the equivalent of someone going to Europe, landing on the shore of France and claiming all of Europe.
	They can't do that.
	And they've acknowledged that themselves by their own recognition act that they put out, I think, in 2016.
	So they've kind of shot themselves in the foot.
	They've realised that the Aboriginal people still have the say of what goes on on this country.
	A lot of the people haven't got wind of it yet.
	It's still getting out to a lot of people.
	But I think you're going to see a huge pushback in this country from the people Like I said, it's turned into a pretty staunch bunch, and once you get them aroused, they really push back.
	And these parasites that are running our government, that are masquerading as the Australian government, this is basically a corporate entity that's been set up.
	It's a handling company that's run by the District of Columbia.
	Even the state police in this country are registered as non-organizations with Dun& Bradstreet in the District of Columbia, so you don't owe the police in this country any allegiance at all.
	You don't have to do a damn thing, they say, and a lot of people are getting wind of it.
	And if you know the right way of wording it, you can walk into a courtroom, tell them all to go take a hike, and you can walk out again.
	And a lot of people are doing it.
	Well, I can tell you, Max, I'm hearing what you're saying, but we're seeing many people that are trying that avenue, and the courts are also a corporate construct of To work in favor of the corporations, and people are being thrown in jail.
	So people do have to keep that in mind.
	Let me just say that that's true, absolutely.
	Debra, and I will let you finish, but I do want to address what Max was talking about before, because I just did a quick scan of the news, and I have to tell you, Max, that your prime minister is now going...
	This is unbelievable, probably, at least to me and maybe to you.
	He's actually going, making a statement that what is going on in Italy, and if you haven't been following it, they've locked down the entire country, not just the areas that have been infected, but the entire country and told people to stay at home.
	And your Prime Minister has now gone on the air saying that is planned for Australia.
	That's what he has just said, that he thinks that that's in the offing for your country.
	And you guys have, at least according to the official count, something like nine cases or something ridiculously low.
	But I have to also say, and I made a video about this, Which I think it's very important to know that people don't go to hospital when they're sick.
	Most people can't afford to go to hospital when they're sick.
	In the United States, most people don't even have health care, so they're really not going to the hospital.
	And if you have an illegal immigrant, of course, they're not going to the hospital.
	So we don't raise our hand, go into a hospital and get tested, and then say, you know, we're sick and we have coronavirus.
	Therefore, the count has to be completely off.
	Whatever it is, whatever you would call it, the flu, which I think it's basically the flu, they're not going to be leaving their homes and going out to hospitals to be counted.
	They're simply going to stay at home, try to get better with family, loved ones, this sort of thing, and maybe even local healers.
	But this is really important to understand.
	And in indigenous communities, of course, would never check themselves into a hospital.
	So you'll never know what the actual count is there either.
	So it's very interesting that your prime minister would come forward right now before there's any cases really...
	supposedly in Australia and talk in this way.
	But I have been told I have a very high level whistleblower in Australia who reports things to me going on there.
	And I have been told that Australia is considered the proving ground for the rest of the world that when they roll something out in Australia, you can be sure that it's destined for the rest of the world shortly after that.
	But I guess because it's a smaller population in a fairly large country, they use it as a testing ground.
	Have you heard that?
	Yeah, it's a much smaller population and very easy to control the population.
	They're all localised in certain areas.
	And like I said, there's a huge pushback against the government here.
	People are getting the wind of this government's completely invalid.
	So they need to do something to lock these people down before everybody gets wind of it and there's too much of a major pushback.
	So it doesn't surprise me that he would be saying something like that.
	I mean, he's a complete sociopath.
	He's a complete banker's puppet.
	Right.
	I mean, these people are very Illuminati.
	Go ahead, Deborah.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, all they will, of course, do is what they have done in Ireland is fluoridate the entire water supply, and they'll calm you down with spraying comatives overhead with the aerosol spraying program if need be.
	They're substantially dousing the populations with various types of drugs from the spraying overhead, And they say in this Rockefeller Foundation document that in the aftermath of pandemic scares, there will be smarter packaging for food and beverages that will be applied.
	Therefore, food costs are going to skyrocket.
	They talk about the new diagnostics that will be developed to detect communicable diseases and how there will be increased health screening.
	Even at markets, it will be a prerequisite to And people will have less sophisticated communications because travel will be restricted.
	And so what I am saying and said before is that there will be less bandwidth and less power because the plan is to isolate.
	And, you know, it's interesting when they talk about where things begin in the testing areas and where it begins.
	It was interesting because during the smart meter rollout, The verbiage around all of that was, well, we're rolling it out.
	It's a pilot program, for example, in Southern California.
	Well, they used the word pilot or a regional rollout, just as in Southern California, Google and IBM came in to a very small desert town and rolled out all of this street lighting that will completely control that city in every way, eyes in the sky.
	And It's not a pilot program.
	They just are rolling it out incrementally, using verbiage to really get people off track in thinking that they're experimenting.
	In many cases they are, but also in many cases they know exactly what they have been and are doing because they've been doing it for so many, many, many decades to so many individual people.
	In fact, we have a document on StopTheCrime.net Entitled Aquarius Operations Briefing.
	And way back during the entire Kennedy assassination, they were showing how mind control was involved in that entire operation.
	And I think what is most important to understand is while we would like to think that people would stand up, and more people, I agree with you, Max, are becoming aware, but they're becoming aware at different levels of awareness and People will say, well, what can we do?
	Where can we move?
	And it will depend on what people understand as the problem.
	And most people, sadly, are still hooked in the illusion that they can replace their government by simply voting new representatives in.
	Sadly, that's the majority of the mind-controlled concepts now worldwide.
	They don't realize that not only are we USA, Inc., we are Earth, Inc., And it's an entire corporation that runs all the countries worldwide and the banking system.
	And people will wonder, well, how did this happen?
	What was one of the mechanisms behind all of this?
	And what we have seen in going to hundreds and hundreds of meetings over these many years in varieties of agencies is that the bankers bring in what they call advisory teams.
	And they hire consultants in your cities to drive these agendas that the staffers write up.
	And the elected officials, which as you said, Max, are puppets and they all are, approve the staffers' reports.
	And that's their job, is to approve the staffers' reports.
	Our cities have been taken over completely.
	And I just am very concerned because, of course, we know that the police and sheriff's It's all militarized now, and they get their paychecks from the corporate structure, not from us.
	And so what we're seeing now is the need for those that are aware of what is happening to harden up in various ways and to certainly utilize thought as a way in which to fend ourselves from much of these attacks,
	but also to have tools that we never needed before because I will tell you when the power goes out and they are planning for the power to go out it will be it's one of the placemats that's discussed in the United Nation policies worldwide are global blackouts and people will be having less access to electricity and the shift is to renewables to stop using
	oil and gasoline products because that's considered fossil fuels which of course is not true and shifting us only to unreliable renewables such as geothermal solar and wind and that's unreliable because the weather is completely controlled and I know that desalinization to get to water is going to be a methodology that's going to literally tax us And that's one of the reasons why Trump signed
	a bio-food executive order to rapidly create bio-food, which is GMO food supplies, because of the illusion of food scarcity.
	Well, it's not an illusion.
	They're creating it.
	But they're shifting how we're going to be delivered food.
	And it's interesting because in this Rockefeller document that you hear me continually allude to, They talk about how the new packaged foods and the increased calories is going to fatten up the rest of the world and they're going to certainly then suffer from the same obesity and the same diseases that everyone else is in the illusion that they're creating equality for all.
	And I want to read this because I found this very disturbing and this would apply to where you are in Australia too, Max.
	It says this, and this was presented...
	Back in 1976 at the United Nations Habitat One Conference, and this is part of that report, and it says,"...land cannot be treated as an ordinary asset controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market.
	Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation." And concentration of wealth.
	Therefore, contributes to social injustice.
	Now, all the reports that I am reading talk about creating a level playing field of equal equality for all.
	And that is literally those advanced worlds such as Australia, the United States, England, and more.
	They're literally going to plummet us back into the year 1750.
	And try to survive in that kind of a world without the survival skills that they had in the Great Depression here in the United States, where at least there were some existing farms that could grow food.
	But even still, 6 million people died here in the United States during that banker planned war.
	Well, let me say, yes, Deborah, thank you.
	That's absolutely right.
	I wanted to bring to people's minds this movie called Dr.
	Zhivago, which is quite an old movie, but if you haven't seen it, of course I recommend it.
	There's a scene in it, and it's communism, you know, when communism was rolling out around the USSR at the time, Russia.
	And what you were having was individuals taking over these wealthy houses, and they were moving in, in the name of equality.
	And this is exactly the kind of thing you're talking about, on a different scale, obviously.
	But you're talking about taking land away from individuals, saying that it needs to be distributed equally, and then people coming in, and they're basically...
	Take their furniture, and these so-called wealthy people no longer even own, they own a room in their house that they used to own the whole house type of thing.
	Well, you know, that's interesting that you brought that up, Carrie, because we travel to Russia.
	Yeah, Dr.
	Zhivago, we travel to Russia, and we went through a number of those communal living arrangements, and we asked where the original landowners were.
	And it was interesting because in searching for A robot figure on the internet, I found a robot that was in a very, very old cemetery outside of St.
	Petersburg in Russia.
	And we wanted to go to that cemetery.
	And in further investigation, we found that that cemetery was positioned on a very wealthy landowner's property many, many decades and decades ago when that land and the state was taken.
	And they were trucking out people and burying them by the truckloads in the forest and shallow graves.
	And that's where many of the wealthy landowners ended up.
	And in touring through some of these houses, the people don't make enough money to keep them up.
	They're very sorely maintained.
	A family will live in a bedroom and share a communal kitchen and one bathroom.
	And the buildings are just falling apart, mold and mildew, and it is.
	I'm muted.
	It's very interesting to look at this in the future and also see it in the past.
	It was demonstrated very well in Dr.
	Zhivago and makes quite an interesting statement.
	Now, we have been going a while and I'm going to have to close this down in a bit here, but I want to make sure that both of you have time to address issues that you think are coming to the fore Here in the very near future.
	And I do want to say that there is going to be imposed drought.
	My witness Mark Richards talked about this in the United States, as a matter of fact.
	I don't know whether I have a sneaking suspicion it's probably going to happen in Australia as well.
	But what they're going to do is create a drought.
	You know, scarcity is an illusion here on planet Earth, in case you're not aware.
	But they've been drumming this idea of scarcity, all the Illuminati, and they train all their troops and people that work for them to believe that we have overpopulation and scarcity, those two principles.
	And those are both false.
	So if you travel, as I do, and you fly everywhere in the world, you will see, and there's even been a study done showing that most people, of course, live on the coast.
	And so we have huge amounts of free land everywhere.
	And you can fly over it in a plane and obviously see that.
	And there have been efforts to turn deserts into land.
	I know a CIA agent who was a doctor who was killed when he tried to do this.
	Quite a brilliant man.
	So, in other words, we have at our disposal the ability to turn what appears to be scarcity into abundance.
	Michael Tellinger also did a study in South Africa of this called Ubuntu, in which he found out that after a very short period of time of people pitching in together, that they would have so much surplus that they would actually have to go give it away to communities in order to just continue, you know, so there wouldn't be just a storage issue for food, for creativity, for just...
	Endlessly creative.
	And so this is something that the Luminati don't want you to know, don't want you to realize about the situation.
	Scarcity is a false illusion.
	But they will create it.
	In austerity.
	That's what it is.
	They will create it because they are backed by, well, in my view, certain races that want to take over the Earth from humanity, and this is all part of the plan.
	The Illuminati work for them, but they think they're going to be receiving special treatment at the end of the story, so to speak, but they are sadly wrong on that score as well.
	At any rate...
	I'd like you guys to give closing statements, overviews of what you think is coming in the future, and then we will close this down.
	It's been wonderful to talk to both of you at once.
	I think it's quite a delight and quite fun, and I hope that we can possibly do this again.
	Why don't we start with Max?
	Max, do you want to give some wrap-up thoughts and thoughts for the future that you'd like to convey to the audience?
	Look, I think that everything that you've been describing as what they want to do that's coming down is an absolute given.
	That's precisely what they wish to do.
	But I myself refuse to be defeatist about it.
	I think we could change the world in a day if people simply threw away their cell phones and their credit cards and started to work in cooperation rather than competition.
	You know, all of the rules that they write down on paper are simply words they write on paper.
	They don't mean anything.
	You know, they're not real law.
	They're legislation.
	There is only one law, and that is do no harm.
	And if people could adopt that attitude, we could change the world in a day.
	And I'm going to continue to encourage the people of Australia to push back and ask these criminals from power and create some sort of a volunteerist society based on the original law of this country.
	You know, I refuse to comply with what they do, and I won't be going along with any of it.
	They can do what they want.
	I won't be...
	I'm taking any plans to survive what's coming.
	I will simply stand my ground and I won't back down and whatever happens, happens.
	I have no stake in the outcome of this life anyway.
	You know, that's my attitude towards the whole thing.
	I will not comply.
	And I have encouraged people not to comply for a very long time.
	I firmly believe we could change the world in a day.
	If people had an epiphany, we could change the world in three seconds.
	If people could suddenly realise that they have value as a human, we could change the world in three seconds.
	Instantly.
	You know, if people just stopped complying with their behaviour, stopped abiding by legislation which causes them to step outside their moral compass, we could change the world.
	You know, I will simply not do anything that causes them to step outside my moral compass irrespective of the consequences of that action.
	That's why I do what I do.
	That's why I've never written a bio for myself or I've never indulged in commerce.
	I don't sell anything.
	I don't write any books.
	I don't give in.
	I don't sell anything.
	I just don't do commerce.
	I cut myself off from all benefits from government because I didn't see my crime because that's what government is.
	I want nothing to do with these people and I encourage everybody to have nothing to do with these people.
	If we did that, we could change the world very quickly.
	You know, simply not complying would make a huge difference.
	Just learn how to say no again.
	People around us, we could do that in a day, but we live in this state of competition with our neighbors.
	We want to have a bigger front door than the guy next door because we think we're worth more, because we know more, or we earn more, or whatever opinion we've got about ourselves, which is all programming that's put into us, you know?
	There's one human family here.
	We do have an opportunity to change things.
	I see everything that's happening as a huge opportunity for people to see the level of corruption and to see the level of parasitic control that these vermin masquerading as governments in all of our countries are doing.
	I think this is a great opportunity to point that out to people and for people to simply say no.
	And to put down all their nationalism, all their national pride, it's not about saving America or saving Australia or saving England.
	It's all one big puppet show.
	All of these governments, there's no wars with each other.
	They just work out who wants to be the enemy next week, who wants to do the bad guy, who wants to be the good guy.
	What's happening in China has all been completely arranged to bring all this out to the West because they're working together.
	They're not working in competition with China.
	They've never been working in competition with China.
	None of these governments have ever been working in competition with each other at all.
	The whole thing has been to keep people divided and to keep everybody believing that there's a threat from outside when there isn't.
	And I think we can change it around.
	I think we can change it around.
	I think everyone should don't change it around.
	I think everyone should don't change it around.
	Time to attack people.
	Time to say no.
	The handful of parasites that are running this world are simply vermin.
	And you don't have to do what they say.
	Learn how to love people.
	Learn how to respect people.
	Learn how to help the people around you.
	And you'll change the world in a day.
	That's my message.
	Well, I think much of what you're saying...
	Yeah, I think much of what Max is saying is true.
	I know that we said no to smart meters.
	And we were able to get the opt-out here in California.
	But then, of course, that became an appeasement plan that was schemed up to allow those that were in opposition to the smart meter rollout years back and to literally think they had a victory, when in fact they hadn't because the smart grid continued to roll out worldwide.
	That's the electric smart meter.
	Now, of course, we have the wireless electric grid.
	Water meters as well.
	So saying no is good, but then disconnecting from a system that's going to imprison you is really, in what we're seeing now, even more important.
	So what do I see as some of the problems that we face most immediately is the weaponization of all levels of military worldwide.
	All of those military might and technologies are being used against all of us.
	I have a video up called Coastlines Under Attack.
	I think people need to become aware of the types of technologies that are now being used around the peripheral of all low-lying coastal areas worldwide to force relocation from the coastal zones where,
	as you said earlier, Carrie, the majority of the populations live, and that's true, about 70% of the global populations live along the coastal areas because of ports and travel and also the negative ions that we get from the surf as it crashes against the beach.
	It is certainly a preventative for mind control.
	So people are being forced inland.
	It's called planned retreat where you will be forced to move away from the coastlines.
	That's happening now worldwide.
	Everyone can type in your search bar Coastlines planned retreat.
	This is a full-blown worldwide program of forced relocation.
	And another thing I believe that people need to understand is the false illusion that we need to revert to all renewables because they are not reliable.
	And there's a trick occurring now, which I believe everyone needs to understand, and why I believe that self-sufficiency now And creating a network of people that are near you to understand what you need to do for self-sufficiency.
	That goes from everything to understanding the best measures to take during fire season, which of course we're told is pretty much all year round, and that we're at a new normal of catastrophic types of weather events.
	We are, because it's all controlled.
	But understanding how you can network within your communities To build the types of structures and get the equipment you need to fight fires because when there's fires raging here in Northern California and we have a power outage which is now occurring more frequently, if you're in the country and you're on wells, unless you've made advance arrangements to have pumps and fire hoses, you cannot access your water.
	And oftentimes the smoke gets so thick that even your solar productivity is reduced and what is now becoming a solution to the solar panels is battery backup and that's going to be sold worldwide as a method of storage which is all lithium-ion batteries or the Tesla Powerwalls.
	These are weapon systems.
	These batteries degrade rapidly over time They explode and they're very difficult fires to put out.
	So what is rolling in now on all of us are these micro grids where I am hearing in meetings where people will be subsidized to have attachments to existing solar arrays on their property with a battery and the agreement that people will be signing and again a good reason to say no like Max is saying is to understand what these agreements are.
	You're giving your utility, which is Rothschild, the authority to sequester the power that you generate between your meter and your home to critical locations during fire events or storm events.
	They're going to be able to and redirect energy to critical structures only.
	And more and more people that live in rural areas will not be able to continue to live In those areas because the health departments will be coming in.
	If you don't have adequate water supply that you've provided for yourself, by getting to primary water, which is something that everyone needs to look into.
	You were talking, Carrie, about the use of water and growing and creating beautiful lands.
	Well, that's what Muammar Haddafi did.
	In Libya, he created the Great Man-Made River Project and greened up northern Africa and was growing grains and fruits and vegetables where none of that was ever possible in the past.
	So everyone listening, you've got to get to water.
	You've got to become more self-reliant.
	Then you can say no.
	You cannot easily say no when you're still connected to the power structure that's been put in place to harness you.
	And it takes preparation in advance.
	To step out of that power structure, the way in which energy is provided, water is provided, because we're being poisoned by it all, and certainly saying no to the electronics.
	They're going to be forcing retrofitting on all existing homes for all wireless appliances and devices.
	In fact, in May of 2020, here in the United States, the UL approval rating is changing for smoke detectors, And they're going to be able to be operable by your smartphones or your Bluetooth, and they will interact through your entire home.
	We're turning our power over, agreeing, because we are not understanding the enormity of what this power will take from us and render us less and less powerful as individuals.
	So I say we need to know what's going on.
	We need to understand the plans that are afoot, such as what the microgrids really are planned to do, and we have to design our lifestyle around the mechanisms that are literally going to kill us.
	And so that is my philosophy, and I will tell you, it's a wonderful opportunity and it's sad at the same time, because not everybody is going to have opportunities to get to water, Not everyone is going to have opportunities to be off-grid, which is now becoming illegal.
	In fact, here in Los Angeles, many people in the desert that were off-grid were literally told that they could no longer live off-grid, and the mayor at the time made people move off their properties.
	Why?
	It was a very small desert town, and there weren't enough people to stand up and really make a statement, but even so, The types of weapon systems now that are used on us with mind control and the ability to direct frequencies and weapon systems from miles away to injure and harm us, this is real.
	This is real.
	And this is what's happening.
	And we are going to have to stick together.
	We are going to have to create the human family that Max discussed because we are a human family.
	But we need to know what their plans are.
	In order to not be snagged in the consequences of the diabolical plans.
	And so, certainly, there are many things that we're going to need to be doing as a result of the increased frequency networks that are being deployed, both ground-based and satellite-based.
	But ultimately, I believe, Carrie, what you're talking about with being able to literally design our lives also with how we think and how we think is going to also change what we do to survive physically in this world right now because we are physical in this world right now.
	So I would say that we are certainly watching for the plans as they're being developed and we're watching the consequences and we're advising everybody what these plans are.
	That's why we're posting regularly on StopTheCrime.net Showing you the documents, the plans, and the meetings.
	And this is to give you advanced opportunity to react within those plans that are being devised.
	It's like having the war plans and then being able to launch a counter front to all of that.
	So I would say foremost, love the ones you love the most even more.
	Live in right conduct every single day.
	Draw your moral compass, the line in the sand.
	Know who you are, because we're all going to suffer.
	We're all going to go through massive changes, and this is a deciding time for us as humans to help other people as best we can.
	So I would leave it there.
	Go to StopTheCrime.net and be apprised of the plans that are being rolled out, because we are document-based.
	Everything we talk about Is document-based?
	Like it or not, it is the plan, and we can simply devise other plans.
	Thank you, Carrie, for having me on this evening, and Max, so good to meet you finally together on this roundtable.
	I very much appreciate that.
	Yeah, really lovely to connect with.
	If I could just say one more thing, I totally agree with what you're saying about being in control of your thoughts as well.
	Something that I've known, which is why I have the stand that I have and I refuse to do fear, is that life is an emotional mirror.
	And everything that I've achieved in my life and the way I'm able to get through my life and do the things I do is because I don't do fear.
	Because when you get into those emotional states, you attract that energy to you, which is why they do all the things that they do.
	Also, where I live is I live in there.
	I have chickens around me.
	I have a bow and arrow.
	We have rainwater tanks.
	We have creeks.
	We have aquifers.
	I have a rainforest behind me.
	I don't live in town.
	I couldn't possibly live in town.
	So the perspective that I have as well comes from that perspective.
	People are still in town and they're still doing all this wild stuff.
	Max, you're cutting out.
	That's what I'm hearing.
	Carrie, are you hearing him cutting out?
	Yes, but a lot of what he's saying is coming through.
	So please continue, Max, with your statement.
	Yeah.
	I'm really quite self-sufficient here, and we've been warning people about this for so long, and if people are self, they've created their own bed, unfortunately.
	That's why you say a lot of people are going to suffer through this.
	I have no wireless stuff.
	I have no cell phone.
	I have no...
	Good car, of course, if I have to.
	That's the position that I'm in.
	And people have got to step out of the fear, they really do.
	And again, thank you for having me on, Kerry.
	It has been great to connect with you.
	Sorry we got the time wrong, and I wasn't here for the first hour.
	But we'll have to do it again and organise it, and we'll get the time right next time, and we'll do the full two hours.
	But lovely to come and talk to you.
	Excellent.
	Excellent.
	Thank you both.
	Wonderful to have you on the show.
	And I know everyone in the chat room has been delighted to hear from both of you and to hear the back and forth dialogue between all of us.
	So I'm sure that it'll go onto YouTube and people will be able to watch the entire thing.
	So thank you again.
	Let's stay in touch.
	Right.
	And one final thing that I would really enjoy for a future opportunity to do this again with Max is for your report, Max, of what you're seeing on the ground happening after those outrageous firestorms that were set upon you, as well as then the floods and the aftermath, to see what kinds of rules, legislation, rebuilding, and redesigning your cities comes out of that, because that's what we have here.
	And we can certainly discuss that and share what we're seeing here and just compare notes.
	I think that would be so important.
	I think everyone that's listening would be most interested in knowing how all of this is the same as we discussed during this show tonight.
	So again, Carrie, thank you.
	And Max, thank you so much.
	Okay.
	Thanks again, both of you, and take care.
	Thanks, everyone, for watching and for your good questions earlier tonight.
	And we'll do this again soon.

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