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Oct. 10, 2019 - Project Camelot
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JOHN KITSON: ACTIVIST : 5G AWARENESS
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Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
I am actually broadcasting from a different location so please bear with us and If this doesn't work part way through we will record it and then put it online afterwards.
So hopefully this will work and we'll be able to do this.
So my guest is John Kitson and he is an activist in the UK and he has done some wonderful work and gotten along with I guess some of his colleagues a city in England to To halt and take a look at 5G and the health problems with it.
And so that's what we're going to be talking about.
And John, welcome to the show.
Kerry, thank you so much for having me on today.
I really appreciate it.
It's an honor to be here.
Great.
Well, it's lovely to have you here, and I was very happy to get contact with you, and I see that you've worked with some very interesting people, Barry Trower and Mark Steele, I believe it is, and we know they have their heads in the right places.
With regard to 5G and a lot of other issues as well.
So, maybe you can start by introducing yourself, tell the audience a little bit about yourself and how you got into being an activist, really.
Sure, okay.
Well, it all started, I've been in Tokyo for quite a long part of my life, from about 2009 to 2017.
And I was working as a recruitment consultant in a small accounting and finance recruitment firm.
And my mother got quite ill in 2014.
And my parents were quite old when they had me.
And it was my sister who called me and I found out she had a brain tumor.
And I just joined my job in the company.
But I had to explain to my boss, look, I've got to go back and be with her.
I really want to spend time with her and do what I can.
And at that time, I was trying to look into things that I could do for her.
And then I realized that a couple of years prior, she had got one of these wireless decked phones.
So it's like a wireless landline phone, and they give off a lot of microwave radiation.
And she'd been getting headaches over quite some time.
Which would be getting worse and worse and I didn't know that it was to do with the phone originally and I was speaking with the GP and you know he said all this you know we don't know what's caused it and then I of course I started doing my research then into the medical schools and the fact that GPs are not fully informed on what's really happening to us in terms of our overall health But then I started looking into mobile phone technology and brain tumors
and then more deeply into 5G. And it was channels such as yours, the Richie Allen Show, some of, you know, Ian Crane.
I mean, he had the fracking.
He'd done a lot of work on the fracking.
But I connected with him.
So I came back to the UK actually in 2017.
That's after doing a considerable amount of research on everything that was going on.
And I just found 5G to be one of the main areas of concern.
And I felt that if they bring this in, humanity is not going to make it.
And it just really resonated with me that this was something I deeply needed to get involved in.
And I just felt, you know what, I want to do something to stop it.
And then public speaking came to mind.
And I organized an event here in Totnes, which I invited Ian Crane to.
And he spoke towards the second half of the event.
And then I did another event in Buckfastly, which I invited him to.
And then we both decided to go around the country doing talks on 5G. And I've done a couple of events with Mark Steele as well.
Okay, well, what I'm wondering is, if you started out in that way, how did you become technically, you know, sort of up to speed on 5G? How did you educate yourself?
Was it just through study or talking to these other activists, or how would you say that you got yourself up to speed?
Sure.
Well, I did a number of things.
I mean, apart from looking online on videos that I'd seen, I went to websites such as the bioinitiative.org, Fire Medical.
I looked at some of the doctors, such as Dietrich Klinghart, who is speaking out about electromagnetic frequencies in 5G. And I looked at some of the peer-reviewed research and And then, yeah, just interviews with doctors.
And then when I came over to the UK, I attended three separate events where they just had doctor after doctor giving talks.
You had scientists, you had Professor Martin Powell speaking, Dr.
Erica Mallory Blythe.
And as I was accumulating this evidence, it was giving me more and more confidence just to speak to other people to warn them.
And I put my own little folder together where it references a lot of these studies and the appeals, such as the 5G space appeal.
But I don't have any medical background and I don't have any scientific background.
But I have a background in teaching, recruitment, and performing arts, basically.
And I felt really my strongest point, recruitment, obviously, involved a lot of sales, and then performing arts, it involved getting out on the stage.
So I thought I could combine those just to get up there behind a microphone and persuade people, look, this is the threat that 5G presents, and to break down all the facts that As simple as possible in a manner that doesn't take up much time, but that gets people active and taking action.
Okay, so in terms of what you are doing now and this amazing change in the cities that you're living in, I guess, And maybe you could be specific about the area of the UK because I know I have an article linked for those that are listening here and watching on my website.
And that was in the Daily Mail announcing that this is quite unusual, getting a whole area to kind of halt 5G until they investigate the health claims.
So you've made some progress.
Can you talk about how that all came about?
Sure, okay.
So, basically, I connected with a number of people in my town, Totnes.
We have a group that actually meets up every month to discuss 5G, and a number of people are electrosensitive, so when they're around mobile phones or Wi-Fi, they feel very ill, so we turn everything off.
We started having those meetings And I got in touch with Chris Baker, who managed to invoke the precautionary principle in Glastonbury.
Now, the precautionary principle is a term used for you basically putting something on hold temporarily.
It's similar to a moratorium, but a moratorium is stronger.
And he managed to do this in Glastonbury, but he's still fighting to try and get 5G stopped in Glastonbury.
So it's still an ongoing battle.
And the same happened in Froome.
And I chatted with Chris about how he approached the council.
And then I also, you know, looked at my own research, what I'd done on 5G, put all of that together, and then delivered a speech to the council here in Totnesse.
To encourage them to, at the very least, do the same, have a temporary halt, to invoke the precautionary principle, at least, or even better, to have a ban on 5G. Now, we were very fortunate here because we've got a mayor who's very concerned about phone masts.
So, she basically was already open to the idea and against 5G. And then we had a follow-up meeting, a follow-up council meeting two months later where I came along and I was there with other friends.
And I basically stated, look, we really need a moratorium.
We want to halt to 5G. I mentioned about the effects on children.
I think that's extremely important because connecting with people's hearts here, mentioning about the effects on the kids, And just the fact that as a community, we've gained 1,600 signatures on a petition.
And we told the mayor, look, as a town, as a community, there's such a significant number of us that don't want this technology.
So we're asking to hold, not, you know, 5G. And of course, 5G meaning fifth generation.
So more 4G densification of antennae, of antennas, autonomous cars.
So, yeah, and she got on board with the moratorium.
She agreed to it.
It was then in the local news, and then more recently, the Daily Mail and the Times newspaper and the Telegraph have been in touch with me today.
All I can do is hope that they'll do a fair story on it.
Well, that is amazing that you actually are still getting some notice in, even in, well, relatively mainstream press, And it's great that you made those sort of measures happen.
What I'm wondering is, what kind of team do you have working with you?
And can you talk about them at all?
Would that be alright?
Sure, yeah.
So, I have Sue Webster.
I'm actually at her home at the moment.
It's a really nice house and she worked with, she actually worked for Barry Trower for several years and she kept seven, I think, seven phone masks out of Totnes.
So she's been a bit of an activist but due to her health she's had to slow that down and yeah she's been very supportive so she's probably the main person in the area who's really been supporting me here and It's at her house where we host these meetings.
And we have quite a number of other people, probably about 15 people come every month.
And we sort of announce an agenda at the beginning of the meeting, what points we're going to go through.
And then we just send an email out to everybody about what points we discussed.
And I mean, the name of the group is called EMF Aware.
So I didn't find this group.
I just came to it.
And while I do attend the meetings, I also work by myself.
So the website and the YouTube channel, 5gawareness.com and the YouTube 5gawareness, that's just mine.
And I go around giving talks around the country.
So that's separate, but I come to the meetings.
It's more of a sort of local action group.
So in terms of The Glastonbury situation, because of course that is quite a well-known place and that would be a huge step.
What do you think are the elements that are holding back them making the same move that your city or county area, you know, I don't know the right designation for England, but whatever you kind of call that area.
Okay, so what I've heard from Chris Baker is that they have a number of councillors there, obviously, who don't want 5G. I don't exactly know 100% why the moratorium hasn't happened, why they haven't reached that stage.
I think what they've done is they've arranged for a sort of debate within the council.
So they've selected members of the public.
Who don't want 5G or they've appointed certain people.
Chris Baker's one.
And then they've appointed a group that do want 5G. And it's currently at that stage where they're sort of having these discussions.
So it seems to be a long, drawn-out process.
My concern is obviously...
Does this mean that they'll have a full ban or a moratorium?
Or does it mean that, you know, it's delayed tactics by the council?
And because I haven't been to the town council meetings, and I haven't been discussing things at length about what's going on in Glastonbury, it's very difficult to really know 100%.
But I know, you know, I've spoke with some people who are a little bit frustrated that, okay, things are going slowly and the council can possibly appoint whoever they want.
So that's another concern.
You know, if the council is appointing these members in this debate discussion, then of course the public doesn't have the control there.
But, you know, I mean, I've just...
I'm basically trying to stay as positive as possible, keep in touch with Chris, find out the latest.
It's been difficult because I've been so busy in my local area and then going around doing talks around the country.
It's very hard to get all the updates on it.
And I'm in touch with Sandy Adams there, who's also a very good activist.
Okay, and sorry for the people that were having trouble hearing me.
I think we've turned the audio up on my mic, so that should help, hopefully.
So please keep us posted if the audio goes too low.
What I wanted to know is, in terms of...
If you were...
You're not giving a presentation now, but if you were giving a presentation, what would be the elements that you think...
People should be most aware of in terms of things that you should prevent because of 5G and the fact that information, such as we have someone in the chat talking about Organite, and I have interviewed, I think her name's Nancy Hopkins.
She's an activist as well.
I don't know if you know of her, but she also sells Organite and Thinks that it works against 4G but not 5G. So, do you have any thoughts about that and what other elements would you want to bring forward to an audience?
Sure.
Organite's not something I'm very familiar with.
It's something I'm open to learning more about.
You know, I'm open to basically anything that can undermine or stop the rollout of 5G. But the most important points that I really bring across in the presentations are, for example, the appeals, such as the Space Appeal.
I think that's extremely important, the 5G Space Appeal.
It's very well worded.
I actually gave it out a copy to each of the counselors in the meeting.
So the 5G Space Appeal, we've got here in Europe, we've got the 5G EU Appeal.
And in those appeals, you've got hundreds of doctors and scientists that have signed To say that they don't want 5G. They want to halt on 5G due to the health concerns.
And many of these doctors and scientists have PhDs.
And then another...
I show a lot of video clips as well.
So I think it's important to show to people what the effect is this technology is having in various different areas.
So I start off, I show...
I give a few facts about EMF radiation, so I explain exactly what it is, the fact that 4G goes up to 2.4 GHz, which is basically like a microwave oven, and that we're in this microwave oven.
5G goes all the way up to much higher, you know, like 80, 90 GHz and beyond.
And then I show some videos, so there's a great one from Take Back Your Power, Which shows the effects on smart meters and blood cells, and you've got this live blood analysis.
And that's very powerful because, you know, the official guidelines and the bodies that the government here in the UK are referring to, such as ICNERP, which is the International Commission for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection, they'll only look at the thermal effects.
They won't look at the biological effects.
So for people to look at this video with this live blood analysis showing the blood cells and showing the decay from the blood cells after someone is standing in front of a smart meter for a minute or two can be very powerful.
And I've also shown other videos, one on Repon in California where the children are getting cancer and the mothers are explaining about it and getting very emotional about it.
And then there's one on farms that I've displayed in France where the livestock, the animals are dying near these phone masts and the farmers are getting organized and taking action against the government.
And my latest event on my YouTube, I did a speech at the UKIP conference.
It's a small political party that's campaigning for Brexit.
They asked me to come and speak.
And I showed all these videos, including the FCC chair, Tom Wheeler, because he just shows that the wireless industry is really in it for the money.
They don't care about people's health.
And I think when all of this is communicated to people, they see the urgency to take action.
And I think selling this as a problem is half the battle.
You know, you've got to have the impact when you're delivering this problem to people.
And I'm quite willing to speak anywhere about this.
So, what I'm wondering is, what do you think about actually doing anything more?
In other words, England, there's so many towns in England, obviously, and people are demonstrating for things like global warming.
And I know that you made a video about your sort of awareness that this is...
Not bringing in the geoengineering side of things, as I recall.
And I'm not sure what else.
But in other words, people will hit the streets to ask for government regulation that would actually basically make our lives more difficult rather than less.
And also because humans, I think you might be on the same page as far as the fact that we are affecting global warming conditions.
In like 3% versus everything else that's going on.
And of course, with my work, we're talking about really interplanetary, you know, extra solar system sort of effects that are affecting the planet as well as our movement through and near the galactic center, etc.
These are things that people are hitting the streets about, but they aren't hitting the streets, at least it doesn't appear, about 5G. And yet this is a much more urgent problem.
And of course, you've already cited the various reasons why.
So I'm just wondering, what are your thoughts about that?
Is there a remedy or an answer?
Is there a wider way to, you know, people listening that they might get People galvanized in their own communities, etc.
Yeah, that's a very good question, Kerry.
I think half of the problem is, of course, with Extinction Rebellion, they have a lot of funding.
I mentioned that in my YouTube, The Truth About Extinction Rebellion, on my channel.
And they have the police allowing them to protest.
They have all these meetings happening with politicians.
And of course, it's something that the government and the industry, the various industries that are supporting Extinction Rebellion, that, you know, they're supporting this.
So they have huge economic clout and they have the media on their side.
So it's very difficult.
And I think that's the main thing that's been preventing the penetration with 5G. But I think people shouldn't give up hope as a result of this.
And people are doing market stalls in different towns and cities around the country.
They are demonstrating.
But it's just the difference in terms of the funding and that Extinction Rebellion have this structure in place.
They have all of this money.
They're using symbology as well.
It's also with this ecocide, stop ecocide movement.
They're using this symbology.
They're demonizing CO2. And of course, as you know, Kerry, we're all carbon-based.
Without CO2, our plants don't grow as effectively as they would in our trees.
So the CO2 is the gas of life.
And all of this industry, this fake green agenda that's coming in, is basically to make everything electric.
And I know that you've spoke with Deborah Tavares, who I met at Ian's conference, amazing lady.
She's explained this as well, you know, this war on gas, this war on the traditional energy, and then bringing in this smart technology, wireless technology.
Artificial intelligence.
You've got Gail Bradbrook who founded Extinction Rebellion.
She's going to conferences that are promoting AI. And this is really a movement that's not in our interests.
And the people have got to be able to distinguish between true grassroots movements such as the Stop 5G movement and fake grassroots movements like Extinction Rebellion.
And that's why I made the video, because I just felt, I mean, there were some other great videos out there by Mark Windows, who did a great job with that, and some other people doing videos exposing what was going on.
But I just wanted to do something that was short, that covered a lot of areas, and that made the 5G connection.
And I bring it up in as many talks as I can.
If the organizer is okay with it, I always check it with them.
But I think people need to have that Differentiation and be aware that they're not a grassroots movement so that possibly we can win over some people from Extinction Rebellion to 5G. Well, I think it's marvelous that you've done that.
And I think it's very important for people to realize that these things are actually not unconnected.
They are connected.
And I also want to say that I understand Miles Johnston is in the chat.
And hi, Miles.
It's great that you've stopped by.
Hi, Miles.
Hi, Miles.
And I just want to say, is there a way that perhaps there could be a more public conference with people, you know, very focused on, such as yourself, you know, activists and Mark Steele.
I don't know if Barry Trower, is he still around?
I mean, I don't know.
I... You know what I'm saying?
In other words, if there was a more public event that was more large, rather than going little city from little city.
And I understand that we don't have the kind of financing, but it doesn't seem that difficult.
Miles and I might be able to commandeer a space where we could get people to come down.
So what about that kind of idea?
That's a great idea, Kerry.
And that's the power of teamwork, people connecting together.
What I'm finding is that more and more people in the truth movement, we're coming together now.
And it's really important.
And I think that would be fantastic.
I mean, the biggest events we've held so far, we had one in Wimbledon that had between 250 and 300 people, where there was myself and Mark Steele.
It was in a church, actually.
It's surprising that the number of churches we've had is quite interesting where we've had events because we've found it difficult to hold them elsewhere.
But yeah, I think coming together for a big event, I mean, I've always dreamed of having, you know, like a massive London event or something like that.
Or even elsewhere, you know, and just getting it out there.
I mean, I promote these events as best as I can.
I put them on my website.
I create a Facebook page.
I then try and reach out to other people in alternative media to promote it and then encourage people to promote it in their towns and cities, you know, like finding a cheap website that can do, say, a few thousand flyers.
I managed to do about 5,000 flyers for about £40 and getting them up in shop windows, you know, and on notice boards and getting it out there on the YouTube channel.
I'd contact Ian Crane, I'd contact Brian Gerrish from UK Column, say, hey, can you promote this event?
Richie Allen.
And I just think, yeah, you know, working together and helping each other to get the word out, I think that's very powerful.
The systems and processes that we use is extremely important.
It's what I learned when I was in the recruitment industry.
My boss always said to me, John, it's all about systems and processes.
This is how we win.
This is how we get the advantage.
And on my website, on the events page, I've made like a sort of bullet point list on the downloads about how people can hold an event to maximize the ability of getting people into the doors, you know, getting bums on seats.
And I always have the philosophy, you know, always improving.
So if I do something wrong, then give me some feedback.
Let me know how I can improve.
And if we're all working on that page, then, yeah, I think we can hold a really big event.
That would be great in any country, you know, even in the States or the UK.
Absolutely.
Well, I want to say, actually, Miles has written something here that I'm going to quote because I think it was a really good comment saying that the attack on CO2 is an attack on all carbon-based life forms.
And ergo, we are under attack from non-biological life forms.
And the objective is to basically kill or eliminate all carbon-based life forms on Earth.
I mean, it is headed that way, or at least what one might say is non-augmented carbon-based lifeforms.
So if you don't contain enough nano or AI or chips or you're not a cyborg, then you're going to find life very difficult, obviously, on planet Earth going forward.
This is the kind of thing that is a transhumanism trend, really, underlying.
And then, of course, there's the ET contingent and so on.
So I think the idea of doing a large event is possible.
And I think that we should be able to garner enough, even worldwide interest in something like that.
And I do know that one of the things that I've heard...
Is keeping things so they're not too huge, in other words, because then they really get targeted and there's a good chance they can kind of take you down.
But if you keep it, you know, I don't know what the exact size is, the perfect, you know, balance in terms of dealing with the powers that be, but at the same time getting the word out and whether or not to do an online type of event even.
It's also something to consider where you sort of save the money with regard to the space and flying people in and all this kind of thing, even though the human connection is very valuable.
So on the one hand, I see you as a great activist, but I also want to make sure that in terms of this discussion that we talk about the 5G, kind of the principles behind Why it's such a threat?
And you've already highlighted some of those.
Do you want to also maybe talk a little bit more about that?
I don't know if you want to get into the street lights in particular.
How the 5G is going to be affecting us.
Because we see these huge poles going up everywhere, right?
And they're actually doing some clandestine Things, at least in California, which is they're saying they're doing construction on an area of street, and they shut the whole highway down, like overnight even.
So they do their work at night, and then you don't see any construction on the actual street.
So they didn't dig up the pavement or do any of that, and yet suddenly you've got new light poles, you know, with new light bulbs that I guess are 5G, I don't know.
And so on and so forth.
Have you noticed that kind of influx in your areas?
Yeah, I have, Kerry.
It's interesting.
Some of that you were saying, especially at the beginning about what's happening with the AI, that sort of gave me goosebumps, you know.
And Yeah, I mean, what am I noticing in the UK? What's happening here with the 5G? I'm noticing that all the lights here are getting converted to LEDs, all the street lighting.
The light is much brighter.
It's blue light.
And of course, we've got a University of Exeter study that shows that the blue light is dramatically increasing the rate of prostate and breast cancer because it interferes with the hormones.
It interferes with our circadian rhythm.
And, of course, all these devices are also emitting blue light, but the LEDs without the filters when they, you know, I'm not a technical specialist, but Mark Steele's taught me a lot about this.
People are getting bathed in this blue light, so he wears protective glasses, and I recommend a lot of people to do that if they're driving or they're walking around at nighttime and they're getting the blue light affecting them.
But what's happening is the infrastructure, so the street lamps, they're getting changed, especially the heads of the street lamps, and then on top of these LED street lamp heads, There's like a little sort of fitting where they can then install initially a lighting system or they can just put antennas up.
And these antennas are to guide the driverless cars.
So this is the key part of the infrastructure.
The antennas on the street lights with the driverless cars and then you've got these electric car charging points on the street lamps.
And this will be devastating.
You know, the radiation From the antennas, then you've got the radiation from the electric cars, the charging points.
And a lot of this, of course, has been used in the military.
And I'm aware that Mark's gone into this a lot.
But yeah, we're just being surrounded by a mesh of this radiation.
So more and more devices now.
For example, Sue, she was trying to get hold of a DVD recorder.
And she could only get hold of a new one if it had Bluetooth in it.
So all of these devices are now chipped.
They're smart technology, so smart watches, your smart motorways where they're taking off the hard shoulder.
So I don't know if you have that in the US where, you know, your car breaks down and you can have that little narrow lane to stop on the hard shoulder.
They're phasing that out, so a lot more car crashes are happening.
You know, our fridges, boilers, thermostats, heaters, Amazon Echo, smart watches.
The average person just doesn't realize the amount of which they're getting exposed.
And meanwhile, as this radiation increases, we're seeing more neurological illness, so more Alzheimer's, more Parkinson's, more ADHD, more autism.
And of course Dietrich Klinghart in the 5G Summit, which Josh Del Sol hosted, which was fantastic, I'd recommend it to people.
He was saying that what's happening is the side of the brain that's connected with empathy and emotions is being destroyed and people are...
And of course through the education system now we're seeing the creativity being taken out.
So, in a way, you know, people, maybe if they lose their empathy or emotions, they're thinking more like machines.
And, of course, a lot of AI is all part of this 5G. You know, the industry, I went to an industry event.
There's a video on my YouTube where I stood up and I challenged the industry and I told them that they're committing a human rights crime.
And their main conclusion from the event, you know, was basically...
5G is about machine-to-machine communication.
This is absolutely amazing.
This is what we want.
But, of course, a lot of us know that there's something very fundamentally wrong about artificial intelligence, and it's something that's not in our best interests.
Right.
Well, and this is going to be a growing problem, obviously.
I have a secret witness, Captain Mark Richards, And he has said actually that they are strangely, actually alien artificial intelligence coming into the planet at this time.
So you can appreciate that we have our own that may even be derived from, and Miles will know what I'm talking, of black goo or other aliens that might have brought it with them.
The Nazca aliens is one example.
Of going back centuries where there's evidence of what is in essence AI involved in kind of a cyborg type of creature that was found in Peru.
So we know that this has been invading our planet.
It's actually escalating at this time.
But at the same time, he does say there is some positive AI, which is very interesting.
That may be predisposed to want to battle with the more negative AI that might want to eliminate life.
So if there was a sort of an imperative that one AI would have a drive to eliminate life, the other would have a drive to actually keep it going.
So that's a really interesting drama that we might be witnessing.
And so it's just some food for thought.
I think that in what you're doing, it's quite interesting because you have to educate yourself not only technically about the 5G, but also about technologies, obviously, that can piggyback on it, as you say.
So you can see where you're actually having to expand your own Abilities and understanding to be able to even talk to people about this.
And that's only going to get more technical as time goes on.
I know that dealing with Tesla technologies that have been sort of used or abused by Elon Musk to put into electric cars that actually in the end of the day, according to Mark Steele and the information, He has are not more positive for us than even a combustion engine, which is hard to, you know, deal with.
But the fact is that we're talking about these technologies all piggybacking on each other and creating something almost otherworldly in its It's capability.
It kind of reminds me of those, I forget what you call them, but Tron and that kind of thing, you know, those battles with the machines.
It's not really machines.
We're talking about something that's so beyond the machine level, and yet I guess, you know, it still goes down the ladder to machine.
So what are your thoughts about all of that and the fact that That there could be some positive AIs that you yourself have to expand your own awareness and in your ability to communicate with people about these topics.
Are you finding that difficult?
Yeah.
In my talks, I haven't gone into AI much because it's an area that I don't have expertise in.
But I think there's a lot of positive technology out there that's suppressed You know, you've got bioresonance, for example, that I think is extremely interesting.
And of course, in Russia, they seem to be much more widely available.
You know, these sort of machines is technology that has health benefits and that works on the sort of frequencies of the body.
But yeah, and then like you said, with the piggybacking, of technology one important point I wanted to mention actually is that this is what Mark mentioned to me and 5G is not just about a higher frequency length it's about utilizing the lower frequencies so you've got these sub gigahertz that's going to be the main rollout of 5G and then these higher frequencies on top and they were running this through Gateshead where they've
had a lot of nosebleeds and illness and And doing it covertly.
And they ended up taking Mark to court to try and silence him.
But yeah, I think there's so many technologies.
I mean, Mark is the real expert with all the different sort of technologies, including mitigation technologies.
And, you know, those are technologies that, of course, are positive, that mitigate against microwave radiation.
But I don't know of anything that really handles 5G properly.
But what's also very interesting is with the atmospheric changes, we're heading towards the end of a natural cycle.
And I'm having a guest coming over from Taiwan.
He's an American called David Dubine.
And he's also talked about this control system that's being brought in.
And the reason for it is because we're entering into something called the grand solar minimum which is like a mini ice age and with that will come a lot more cold weather crop losses.
So because there won't be enough food a lot of these control systems are coming in to control the population because when people are hungry they revolt and that's another thing on top that I'm looking at but we're having him over here in Totnes on the 29th of Of October.
And it's all up on the website.
But he'd be a great guest, David Dubine, to have on your show.
And he'd explain how this natural cycle will make the atmosphere more ionized.
And with 5G, they're piggybacking on top of that.
So they're taking advantage of that charged energy in the air to make 5G all happen.
That's very fascinating.
And I'd be glad to please do put him in touch with me if you're able to do that.
Or, you know, send me his details and I'll try to get in touch with him.
So I'm more than willing to have him on the show to expand this topic.
And wondering, just in terms of your own, like I say, kind of next steps, like How you're expanding your own abilities and bringing in people to expand on topics that you're not necessarily an expert on that can enhance people's understanding of the overall topic and the threats out there.
And that coupled with what some people think is a global warming trend, others do think there is a possible Solar minimum, as you say, and that there's a lot of science to back that up, I understand.
So, in other words, what are your next steps in terms of looking ahead and seeing what you can do and where you can be most effective?
Okay, so basically some of the events I have Mark come on or Ian and we sort of work off each other very well.
I think my strongest point is just going out there and doing the talk.
So I try and free up as much time for doing that and then I try and connect, have regular contact with people In my free time, so I touch base with Barry Trower, sometimes over the phone with Mark, and then I get up to date with what's going on.
And then if Mark or some of these doctors recently in London have an event, then I'll put it up on the website.
I'll try and get the information out there.
This is the important thing about working together.
There's division that happens in the truth community.
We need to work together.
We need to find a way to see how we can add value and connect with one another and work off each other to really get the message out.
I think as that continues to happen, as we come together, As we find our destined path and our strengths and we work off each other, we can be more effective over time.
And something I'm doing in the UK at the events, I prepare like a little name list and contact list.
So halfway through when people have already seen some of the videos and some of the evidence and they're very concerned, I then hand round a little form with a clipboard and pen.
And, you know, in Europe, we've got this strict data protection, GDPR. So I just write, okay, you're only going to get it from this email address and this local email address.
So there's a group maybe locally in the area who have got an email and will keep in touch with you.
And then people write down their name, their email, their town.
And then we've got, let's say, you know, a couple of hundred contacts there who we can then contact.
And then we can set up our local action group because we're keeping in touch with people.
And this is something that Extinction Rebellion were doing.
So I noticed this when I went to their meeting, and I thought, because I just went there to see what it was like, you know, I didn't go in there straight off saying, hey, 5G's a problem.
I went there, just sort of take a look, see what they're up to, see what sort of systems and processes they're using, right, in their group.
You know, I think there's some psychological techniques as well going on there, though, like Delphi technique, Delphi.
I think it's mentioned in a book somewhere.
But, yeah, you know, just with the keeping in touch, I thought that was quite effective, having that form going around and then just following up with people, you know, and then having a calendar.
So, I mean, I use Google Calendar.
I know Google's not perfect and they're spying on us, but I just use it to stay organized and try and be as organized as possible, keep in touch with people, get that groundswell going.
That's what I've been doing with that.
Cool.
So, is there anything else that we haven't really touched on that you think should be sort of front and center in people's consciousness with regard to 5G and the battle ahead, so to speak?
Okay.
So, in the UK, we've got, for example, some people have said, oh, this precautionary principle, this moratorium, it doesn't mean anything legally.
What it does do, it sends a message to the council, look, we don't want this technology.
There's resistance coming.
It's something the councillors can get on board with and say, okay, we'll have a ban.
And of course, getting that public, getting that out, getting that into the local newspaper, because you'll have the press.
I don't know how it works in the States, but you'll have the press come to those council meetings, and they'll do a story on it.
You know, residents stand up against 5G. Now, that's going out to thousands of people in the local area.
And if everyone's doing that in their local community, it's then going out to...
Thousands in all sorts of different areas around the country.
It's really getting the word out to people who might know nothing about it, and they'll just open their newspaper, oh, 5G health concerns, and they'll start doing some research.
So I think that's extremely important.
Running for office is another thing.
You know, running as a senator in the States or running as an MP in the UK on an anti-5G platform in the UK, it costs about £500.
to run as an MP and you get to add free delivery of your flyer to tens of thousands of addresses potentially so you're then getting the word out and yeah you know I just think we've really got to reach that awareness when that awareness is critical among the population I don't think the government can get away with it anymore regarding what they're doing so I just think it's about awakening the numbers,
you know, and 5G is the key and 5G is the last chance in my opinion, you know, once they bring it in, the AI, it's not something that we can really stay asleep on.
I think it's really a chance for us to rise as a human species and, you know, just really wake people up and raise our consciousness level, raise our awareness.
And go back to our hearts.
I think that's really important.
Connect with people's hearts.
When you tell people about this problem, it's important to tell people that you're warning them because you care.
Because you really care.
And this is what's happened with me.
I don't have anything to lose.
My parents have passed away.
I don't have any kids.
I just want to get the message out.
If I die tomorrow, it doesn't matter.
The fact is I've tried to make a difference.
Barry Trower recently said that in an interview.
He said, when I pass on, I'd like to at least tell the souls that haven't been born yet that I did my best.
I might not have managed to save all of you to make sure all of you can be incarnated into this lifetime, but I did the best that I could.
And I think that's really something.
It's like we look back at our life.
What did we achieve?
And yeah, you know, we need to do something rather than just listen to YouTube.
We need to act as well as learn.
Yes, absolutely.
And that's very beautifully said by Barry Trower.
And I really appreciate that.
And I think everyone can appreciate where we're coming from.
I do think it's kind of interesting what the sort of stage we're at at this time.
And I'm wondering, in terms of, you know, the measures you've got in place are not law, correct?
So they can now...
Come back and do something.
We don't know what they'll do specifically.
You can fill me in here, but in terms of England, this is what it said in the article.
What they were kind of saying is that the measures now have been put forward, but now we need actual action from, I guess, lawmakers, if I understand it correctly.
And getting them on board is going to be a whole other ballgame.
So I am wondering, what are your thoughts on moving the agenda down, you know, rolling the ball down the line?
How are we going to get that action that you've already had wonderful response on to actually become sort of hard and fast?
And we do know there are some countries that have been able to stop 5G in their countries.
And I don't have a list right in front of me, but I know there are some.
And, of course, we know some states in the United States, for example, are making huge measures in this direction.
But how are you going to fight the battle that has to go beyond what you've achieved?
Do you know what I'm saying?
Sure, yeah.
Certainly, yeah.
So initially, like I mentioned, you know, with getting those councils aware, getting the moratoriums, I think that, in fact, our mayor here, our local mayor, said that enough councils up and down the country have these moratoriums or bans on 5G announce them, then the government will find it difficult to roll it out, you know.
But I think on the legal front, I'm in touch with the barrister.
He's more than happy.
He's a British barrister.
He's based in London.
And he's more than happy to launch a legal case and if anybody wants to do that, then sure, get in touch with me and we can make that happen for sure.
He's looked at various options such as judicial review, fear of assault.
Our system works slightly differently to Australia.
I'm aware that Ray Broomhall, the barrister in Australia, has had a lot of success and there are certain things with that that we can use.
And listening to his interview, I noticed that he's connected with a lot of doctors.
And I think that's very important that we really educate the doctors in our countries, that we go to the doctor, we give them a letter.
In the UK, we've got Andrew Tressida, who's given me a template letter that's on my website.
And people can just print that off.
They can go to their local GP, their local doctor, and they can say, hey, look, This is written from a doctor.
This lists the various concerns about 5G electromagnetic frequencies.
You can also say, look, you're electrosensitive.
That's been another recommendation that you declare yourself electrosensitive.
Because even if we don't feel it, we're all getting affected by this technology.
So you then give them the template, you show them the evidence, maybe something like the 5G space appeal as well that I think is extremely, very persuasive along with the template from the doctor.
Try and get the doctor's sympathy, get their interest and then of course when we go for those legal battles in court, we have doctors there who can be a witness and That basically brings things a step up.
So this is what Ray was doing in Australia, and I think that's really key.
And I'm open to anything.
So if there's any other methods that I'm not aware of or haven't talked about, any sort of notice of liability, I noticed that Empower Movement, we're working with those, anything that can be used.
Currently, I'm not aware of any 5G notice of liability, but anything, I know that some are in the works.
I'm open to anything.
But yeah, legal options are definitely another option we need to look at and that we can go forward with.
Right.
Well, I really do appreciate you coming on the show, and I guess we should probably wrap this up.
I'm wondering, is there anything that you're noticing in terms of Britain?
Because, you know, Britain is kind of a small...
Melting pot in a way and it's a great focused community so that when anything happens in Britain it seems to spread at least in my experience throughout Britain very quickly the word gets around.
So I'm wondering in terms of what's happening with Brexit and the the halt on actually getting Brexit pushed through and whether you heard Boris Johnston's speech recently, and I forget whether he gave that to the House of Lords or who it was to, but at any rate, Miles put it on his...
Where was it?
Oh, the United Nations.
Oh, the UN, okay.
And he was talking about the threat of AI, and I was saying recently in an interview, I was doing that.
You know, in a certain sense, this is a place where our so-called enemies, the Illuminati, are actually where we now have a common enemy, if you will.
In other words, they don't want to be completely eliminated.
And it's also something they're not in control of.
So it's very interesting how suddenly we have a similar threat that is impending and In my recent interview with Mark Richards, there was an incident with a drone in which the drone went out of control of the military.
It was an AI-based drone and it chose not to obey its handlers.
In that case, it actually destroyed itself because it decided it was the enemy.
Now, obviously, that is not so dire as if it had just decided the complete opposite, that they were the enemy.
You can appreciate the difference.
But, you know, this is the kind of thing we're looking at.
And this is what I guess Boris Johnston was sort of hinting at.
And so I think it's fascinating whether or not there is a way to take that sort of momentum, really, that surrounds AI and the danger and bring on side parts of the Not necessarily straight up Illuminati,
but elements of society that have up to now been more or less working against each other to suddenly work together because of this common enemy.
And it's going to become more and more obvious, you know, the transhuman linkage and various things.
So any thoughts on that?
Has this occurred to you that, you know, I don't know if you saw the speech or thought about it.
Yeah, no, it's a very interesting speech.
And it was really refreshing and it gave me a lot of optimism, you know, that the Prime Minister talked about that.
And I know that, you know, he really wants Brexit.
I mean, I hope that he genuinely wants Brexit.
There's a lot of money from, you know, hundreds of millions coming from the EU also in Horizon 2020 to get 5G rolled out.
Obviously, the UN in the form of the Sustainable Development Goals.
And I just think, yeah, you know, it's really hopeful.
It really gives us some hope when our politicians, when our leaders, they speak out about this.
And we've got the MP in Stroud, I'm just trying to think of his name, who's raised concerns about 5G in Parliament.
And they did, a Welsh MP recently, they sort of had a debate about On 5G. There were only a few politicians there, but this meeting was arranged, and they started to talk about it.
So it is starting to get into politics, and I'm hoping now that we've got three national newspapers covering this ban.
I'm also likely to be interviewed by ITV television in the next day or so, that hopefully now it's getting into the mainstream.
And people are going to start seeing this as a concern.
And with artificial intelligence, I mean, it's a no-brainer that this is not something that's going to be beneficial for us.
You know, we're giving our power away to something that's not conscious, that doesn't have a heart, it's not heart-centered.
And I think, really, we've got to just make the case for people, you know, and especially our leaders, just make the economic case against 5G from the health perspective, especially.
The fact that it's going to be bad for business, all these different things.
And then property prices is another really good way.
So, you know, I've been telling a couple of estate agents, hey, you know, property prices are going to go down.
It might be bad for your business if this technology gets rolled out.
So, you know, yeah, I'd encourage people, you know, have like a little folder or something like that with some really powerful documents or bullet points.
Make a list of bullet points.
And then when you speak to people, make sure you speak to people every day, you know, about this topic.
I mean, I'm very much sort of maybe almost too friendly, you know.
I'll speak to people on the bus.
I'll speak to people on the train.
I'll just use every opportunity I can.
I'm shopping in the supermarket in the queue.
You know, I won't use the self-checkouts, obviously.
I just speak to the cashier at the desk.
I'll tell her about it.
But yeah, use whatever opportunity and, you know, we can wake up our leaders, I'm sure of that, you know, and we need to, even those people working against us, you know, we've got to just keep pushing and we've got to stay positive and not be in a state of fear.
I think that's extremely important.
Right.
I totally agree on that.
All right.
Well, thank you so much, John.
It's great to have you on the show and I hope we can sort of extend this connection and anything that I can do to help expose the situation further and also if it might be useful or even helpful to do a roundtable.
I'd be happy to.
I know that I've had Mark Steele on a roundtable in the past, so I know he'd probably be willing.
I don't know if Barry Trauer or other people that you know, activists in England, would be interested, but I think that could be beneficial.
And as I say, any other ways of working together in the future to get this kind of ball to gather more people, more Caring individuals and to make sure that we get the world that we want to see rather than one that is not of our own making.
Definitely, Carrie.
I'd be more than happy to collaborate on a round table.
Let's bring all the great minds together and find a solution.
Let's work together.
I think stronger together in this example, definitely.
Absolutely.
All right.
Listen, you take care and please do stay in touch.
Definitely carry.
Definitely carry.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
And so at this moment, I'm going to bring in the titles and so on.
So thanks everyone for watching.
This has been a lot of fun and a very valuable discussion.
I think everyone would agree.
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