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Aug. 29, 2019 - Project Camelot
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LEON BIBI : ADAM=ALIEN : HUMAN ORIGINS
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Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here tonight.
We have a very interesting guest, Leon Bibby, and he is the author of several books and talking about the origins of humanity.
Adam Equals Alien is his first book.
And then he has another one called Adam Decoded.
And I actually have a short bio for him here, so I'm going to bring that on the screen.
And in the meanwhile, Leon, why don't you say hello to everyone?
Thanks for having me on the show, Carrie.
No problem.
So it's great to have you here.
So, what I'm going to do here is just take a look at this, and people can basically read along with me.
So, he was born in Brooklyn, New York.
His father was a World War II veteran, having fought in D-Day on the beaches of Omaha Beach.
Leon attended high school in Riverdale, New York, at a prestigious Riverdale University.
Country School, college at Washington University in St.
Louis, law school at the University of Miami.
He was CEO of his father's lighting business for 22 years and a member of the Young President's organization for 17 years.
He's the author of Adam Equals Alien, as I mentioned, and that was published in 2014.
Adam Decoded, published in 2018.
And he is an expert on human origins, biology.
Ancient mythology and archaeology and a believer in ancient texts representing actual human events and true history.
And his thesis is both controversial and explosive.
This is from his bio.
And he's an adjunct professor of alternative science in New Jersey and has been a guest speaker on Coast to Coast and is going to be on the History Channel's Ancient Alien series TV show, assuming this is a bio up to date.
So that's what we've got for you so far, Leon.
And maybe you can kind of fill in the blanks.
Let us know, really, if that bio is absolutely up to date and if you can augment that with anything that you think that it doesn't contain but you'd like us to know.
No, it's pretty up to date.
You know, Now that we're in 2019, I have published my second book, Adam Decoded, working on my third book called Adam Blood Origins, which basically attempts to decipher how DNA had been manipulated,
in my opinion, by several alien species, probably, and I agree with you, up to a dozen.
But I focus primarily on the Anunnaki and 223 genes that have no predecessors.
And I focus on Francis Crick, who cracked the genome in 1950 and noticed an intervention between chromosomes 22 and 23 that looked non-mutated.
And did not sustain evolutionary change.
It was more like almost like a tweak, like we make test two babies today, very similar, that L-shaped snip and tweezer exists today in our genome.
Okay.
So, well, that's a very interesting approach.
So you're actually looking at the DNA, as you say, and the genes.
You believe that we came in, you're looking at the Anunnaki as the originators of the actual human vessel, if I understand it correctly.
And you believe that they started out with one set of DNA and genes and that they then made some adjustments.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
Over several hundred thousand years.
All right.
And why does your theory sort of start with the humans being created by them?
Is that from the Sumerian texts?
Yeah.
So I studied the Sumerian texts that were translated by a professor from University of Pennsylvania, Samuel Noah Kramer.
And he's written several books on Sumerian texts.
Quote unquote mythology and direct translation of several of the Sumerian tablets that were found in Iraq.
And I've read several of his translations and in several of them which tell an unbelievable story of the Anunnaki, Enki and Enlil and several other of the characters of Anunnaki lore.
They also talk about the creation of man in a sequential order.
And they start talking about how Enki tried to initially take eggs from Anunnaki women, sperm from Cro-Magnon, tried to have that work and Ran into several issues with it.
He was creating sort of human primates that couldn't speak, human primates that had smaller brain capacity than we have now, human primates with one arm,
one leg, several different mutations, and it took him several hundred thousand years to get it right, to finally Create a homo sapien that he called the Adamu.
It was actually more than one.
It wasn't just Adam, as we know from the Bible.
I believe it was a group of initially male humans called the Adamu, which is talked about in the Sumerian tablets.
And he finally got it right.
He got them to understand and speak and understand.
Realized that they were more intelligent than regular primates, certainly than the Cro-Magnons were at the time, when the Anunnaki first came to Earth.
Okay, so what about the notion that they're tricksters, that they might have written into their book a certain story, it's like the Bible is a certain story, that has been pushed down through the centuries and humans are...
I'm compelled to believe it because, in essence, it puts them in a power position over humans and so on.
It's also very interesting in terms of the whole primate situation.
In other words, because there is a lot of information, especially in the Ashayana Dean texts that come, depending on whether you want to believe them or not, but of course...
But they are quite intricate and not the sort of thing you can easily make up, or any human really could make up.
A saga that involves races coming from the stars.
So, in other words, there may have been some indigenous beings also here on Earth, but they still had to come from somewhere.
just as the earth had to be, you know, created as a garden, so to speak.
In other words, bringing in animals, plants of a certain kind, so and so forth.
And it is my understanding that these various ET races that do participate in creating or co-creating humanoid species, the humanoids having an original sort of genome that goes back to, from what I understand, Lyra. the humanoids having an original sort of genome that goes And the Pleiades and so on.
And that maybe all humanoid species are related.
What would you say to all of that?
It's very possible.
I'm definitely open to...
I know you and I were communicating prior about the origins and read the book that you asked me to take a look at and thought it was fascinating.
Anything's possible.
I have heard about Lyra being the origin planet.
I've heard also Orion as being an origin planet.
Orion maybe after Lyra.
So I'm definitely open to anything, you know, prior to Anunnaki.
Okay.
So can you tell us more about...
Kind of what motivated you on your sort of trip because you started off with one book and it looks like Roswell was to some degree an inspiration.
Can you talk about that?
It's very interesting.
I had two brothers.
One passed away, but I had two brothers and my older brother lived in Westchester, New York.
If you're familiar, I know you're from work in Calabasas, living in Calabasas, Westchester sort of, you know, suburb of New York City.
And he lived in Katona.
And one day in 1982, he saw a massive UFO, as he described it, 400-foot triangular UFO. And it just so happened to have been flying over a nuclear power plant in Scarsdale, New York.
And he said it was floating through the clouds without any sound.
Without any form of propulsion.
And my brother was a super, super smart guy, doctor, plastic surgeon.
Just could, you know, read a book and recite it back to you.
Understood cars inside and out.
Understood science and propulsion.
And he's the type of person who had a sort of dry sense of humor and very dry intellect.
And he didn't really joke too much.
When I initially heard him say that, I was pretty fascinated and took note of it.
Then my younger brother said that he saw five burning UFOs twisting and turning and rotating, changing colors over the Atlantic Ocean when he was in East Hampton on Long Island in New York.
This was in 1985.
So I had sort of three years to think about UFOs and digest it.
Initially, I was a skeptic.
I still am a little bit, but I was sort of a skeptic, didn't believe it unless I saw it.
And I still have never seen one.
But it got me thinking.
And having been initially a bio major, I went to law school.
But having been a bio major, I loved bio.
And Wash U in St. Louis is, you know, big pre-med school.
Studied it, read a lot about Darwin, read a lot about Crick, and loved reading about, you know, DNA and, you know, the miracles of humans and how we function and our intelligence, et cetera. the miracles of humans and how we function and our And so.
I always said to myself, there's got to be something more.
I think Roswell then, I saw a History Channel documentary, I think Stanton Friedman was speaking And he's a great speaker from here in New Jersey and talking about Roswell and read several of his books, wrote away for Freedom of Information Act to Washington, got several documents related to Roswell, noticed that several of the key lines were blacked out.
And the more I read it, I initially said, okay, this could be, you know, counterintelligence and the government making up a story to protect, you know, their investment in creating, you know, stealth technology and anti-gravity devices and electromagnetic propulsion.
All of these, you know, military advantages that they didn't want at that time the Russians had.
Or any other enemy to know about.
And then the more I read the documents from the NSA and the CIA, mostly the NSA, I realized it can't be counterintelligence.
It's got to be counter-counterintelligence.
It's reality.
And, you know, there are too many holes in Roswell and 16 of the crashes that In the United States and worldwide, and there had to have been more than this.
It can't just be a story.
And so when I was CEO of my own lighting company, I used to manufacture lights in China.
Between 1992 and 2013, I would take approximately four trips a year to China.
So long trips, and I would read everything I could get my hands on regarding UFOs, Propulsion, anything sort of related to UFOs.
And then I sort of stumbled upon Zakaria Sitchin.
And then read Sitchin, read all of his books, and then started reading translations of the Sumerian tablets to sort of button up his theories.
And the more that I read his theories, and again, this is my own But the more that I read his theories, the more that I thought this man is on to something.
And he is an unbelievable investigator and studier of the Sumerians and prehistory and the Bible and dedicated his life really without much fame and fortune to the truth.
And so I just said to myself, you know, he's on to something and I got to dig into this further.
And if I can find, initially, if I could find the clues from the Sumerian tablets and what I call in my second book, Adam Decoded, the codes that were sort of hidden in the Sumerian tablets or suggested, is a better word, in the Sumerian tablets.
And then if I could find Really delve into biology, specifically DNA, and dig into these 223 genes that have no predecessors, and how humans got so intelligent,
were able to speak in such a short time, where brains would develop in a million years by 16%, and then In 200,000 years, they would jump by 55%.
So they'd go from 900 cc's to 1,450 cc's in a short time.
So, you know, craniums would develop, vocal cords, and so if I could really dig into these 223 genes, let's say specifically 12 to 15 of them, then I could start proving Okay,
so did you look at this idea that There was a, I call it a rebel gene, I'm not sure what they called it, but that Enki versus Enlil and Enki did put in this extra gene in a certain group that was coming, I guess, out of Africa, so to speak, and that there was a certain group under Enlil that were more administrative, following orders and that sort of thing.
There does seem to be more than one grouping of humanity that have a natural proclivity No, but I think it's fascinating.
I think, you know, initially, if we were created as slaves, which I believe we were, and to dig gold for the Anunnaki to survive on their planet, that Enlil was more of the dictator of I think that my interpretation of it is the God of the Hebrews,
or Hashem, that he would keep the Jewish people alive, basically, take them out of slavery, etc., in exchange for subordination.
So they would be his slaves and listen to everything That he wanted and glorify him in every way.
And he had, I think, you know, several weapons at his disposal to keep them in line or actually kill them if they got out of line.
Whereas, and it's always that dichotomy, right, of good and evil, whereas Enlil, I'm If it's true and did create humans or had a hand in creating humans, was more sympathetic,
cared about human civilization, wanted humans to grow, taught humans about the economy, agriculture, political systems, contracts, social behavior.
That Enki really, if it's true again, Enki would be the god that is the most important in our growth and our positive civilization versus slavery as you say.
Okay, in terms of the genes, what would you say about a background in biology and Your understanding of sort of genes and did you run it by any experts in this area?
Not yet, no.
It's just reading books about DNA, a lot from Francis Crick on up about DNA. Just investigation and research.
So no, I haven't run it past Any geneticists or biologists yet, but I intend to.
I have two in mind, one in New Jersey, one in California, but two geneticists that are free thinkers, critical thinkers, and the type of scientists that I'd like to get to understand better versus your traditional geneticists that,
you know, Plays by the rules and just, I guess, regurgitates old information or old science.
Okay.
So in terms of your current investigations, are you feeling that you're on the right track and want to go deeper?
And if you were going to go deeper, Have you looked into, I know this is going to sound perhaps crazy, I don't know what you've looked into, the alien autopsy, for example.
I looked at that film several times.
And yeah, I think it's fascinating.
I think it's fascinating.
I've seen documentaries about it, taking apart all of the background phone and And I thought that that was interesting, first and foremost.
Second, I thought that the eyelid removal was incredible.
And I have no idea how they could have done that if it were fake.
Third, you know, when I was looking at the organs getting taken out by I noticed several, obviously, different size, different shape, different color, liquids with, you know, inside.
And I thought that if this were a hoax, it should win Academy Awards.
I thought it was amazing.
So in terms of the autopsy, I initially thought it was a hoax.
Then I thought it could be real, and now I think it's got a lot of merit, in my opinion.
Just kind of a fun question, and I appreciate you taking a sort of swing at it.
Then I want to also know, in terms of Zachariah Sitchin, did you ever meet him?
Because I know he passed away a little while ago, but I actually did meet him very briefly.
Unfortunately, he was too elderly at that point and actually died, I think, a month or two later.
No, I've been to a few UFO conferences.
I'm at...
Van Danecken and a few other really good writers in the field.
But no, I never met Sitchin.
I've read a lot about him, but I've never met him.
I know he's from – well, he migrated to New York and lived in New York.
But no, I never met him, unfortunately.
Would have loved to.
I would have been one of those Sitchinites traveling with him to Egypt.
Taking apart the pyramids.
Absolutely.
I've done that several times at this point.
Not taken it apart, but gone there, as you may know.
I don't know if you know that.
And we do have a documentary on our trip, which is on my website you might find very interesting.
Because we show some parts of the temples and inscriptions and various carvings that are not normally shown.
So you might want to take a look at that and see how it correlates with your understanding If you have not yet been to Egypt yourself.
No, I have not been to Egypt.
So, now, in terms of Roswell, you started there and you were interested in what happened.
I assume that you followed the various crashes.
In other words, there was Socorro and that's actually where the alien autopsy supposedly came from.
And then there are various other beings and I'm wondering in your book, like if somebody was going to pick up one of your books, can you kind of give a short synopsis of each book so that they can understand, you know, which book relates to what and so on?
So my first book was Adam equals Alien, and I think it was more of a factual overview of several different topics.
It starts with UFOs, moves into Roswell.
It talks about the pyramids briefly, the geometry of the pyramids, etc.
It doesn't get into Dunn versus Cadman theory, which is interesting, which maybe we could talk about.
Then I move into vitrification.
I talk about the Bible and I talk about evidence of nuclear blasts, pre-modern era.
I talk about vitrification and I talk about Oppenheimer a bit and interviews that he's had and has suggested that there have been nuclear blasts prior to White Sands, New Mexico.
I get into DNA very briefly.
I show a page of what I believe to have been the snip from chimp to human and The addition of these 223 chromosomes.
I talk about human jump in cranial development and in vocal cords.
And then I talk about physical evidence of extraterrestrials, Baghdad battery, Stonehenge, which I've been to, Piri-Rees map, which I think is fascinating, Easter Island, Nazca lines, etc., Then I get into the Anunnaki, a little bit about gold, why they came here, what they needed and why they created humans.
Then my second book, Adam Decoded, I get more into Sumerian tablets, translations of the tablets, codes that I believe were written either by Anki or whoever scribed them,
codes about DNA. Codes about the human condition, codes about the Anunnaki and their lives and their egos and what they wanted and about humans and their destiny, which I thought was interesting.
I sort of delve into the topics that I start writing about in Animalian and I delve into them a little bit further.
I list several quotes from several books that I found very interesting.
I talk about two genes in particular, FOXP2, which is responsible for speech, which primates don't have.
My age 16, which is responsible for cranial development and reducing the oversized jaw to a smaller jaw, small brain to a larger brain, reducing the forehead extension and obviously the markers that separate us from primates.
I get into the 48 Chromosome primate versus 46 chromosome human and where I believe these chromosomes were snipped and how it was that Enki actually intervened in these chromosomes to basically tweezer out and snip in the key Anunnaki genes that Are
responsible for our intelligence, our ability to speak, and reason.
Okay, now what about this idea that you could go the other way?
In other words, have you thought about the notion that primates are created from us?
No.
And just reversing the complete order of things the way you're looking at it.
Because that is actually something that Ashina Dean talks about.
And I always thought that it was quite a compelling notion.
Can you explain that?
Well, simply that, in other words, everything would be reversed, except that you're starting out with a raw material, which is a more developed human than the one you're seeing.
And there does seem to be...
Well, there's the Neanderthal, which is a certain kind of human...
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You know, date the Earth a certain amount.
They will say that the dinosaurs came and then left at a certain time, etc., etc.
So if you buy into their chronology, then maybe the chronology of, you know, man as they, again, this being sold, in my view, kind of like as a bill of goods.
So it's, you know, it's interesting to look at it from some opposite points of view.
I'm wondering, and are you also aware of Atlantis, and where do you place Atlantis in your sort of concept?
Atlantis I guess you'd say non-mythology is very interesting to me.
I've read a lot about...
I read the Rand Flemeth books and I do believe that there is merit to Antarctica being Atlantis.
And if so, obviously we don't know what it looked like.
We can't see through the ice.
You know, it is an island.
It has several of the Plato...
Markers.
If Atlantis did exist and it was, say, Antarctica, I think it's incredible that the technology could have been so highly developed so many years ago and this race could have been wiped out, almost like Noah with the flood and so quickly.
I just wish that Antarctica wasn't covered with ice because there could be so many, you know, remains from this civilization if it were Atlantis.
And then, you know, I think, and I talk about in Adam Decoded, I talk, one of my chapters, my first chapter is, you know, myth is history, and history is myth.
It seems to me to be, like you say, with primates and humans, many times, not always, but many times, history is just contrived, contrived by, in my opinion, the top tier of the pyramid,
the all-seeing eye, the Bilderbergs, the Trilaterals, Council on Foreign Relations, the Movers and the Shakers, who have their own Wealth to preserve and I think that throughout history for the past 2000,
let's say 2000 years that the development of history is a direct result of what these top tier industrialists, bankers want us to believe.
And that they know after the tablets were discovered in the late 1800s, they know the truth and they will try to keep that truth covered forever as long as they can.
And it's people like you and people like me that really dig and are critical thinkers and really want to understand how is it that there's a missing link?
Why is it that there's a missing link?
If we're landing probes on Mars and eventually Pluto, why can't we figure out these transmutational fossils?
Where are they?
The so-called revolutionary scientific thinkers like Darwin have holes all over the place.
Even non-scientists like myself can dig into it and disprove it.
With enough research.
And that's what I intend to do.
Okay, so I assume you're aware that they are, they're not talking a lot about it, but the rumors are that they are down in Antarctica and they are uncovering some amazing technology and evidence that they're keeping very close at hand, obviously.
But I think some of the rumors getting out about that.
And there have been divers and evidence that has shown that in the ocean floor and off the coast of Bimini and off the coast in the Bermuda Triangle area and Cuba and so on,
that there is evidence of There are videos made of this sort of thing, so I'm sure you've seen some of that showing pyramids and huge steps and evidence of temples.
Even off the coast of California, there's evidence of a temple structure, apparently.
That wasn't sort of focused on, you know, that Jimmy Church got involved in for a while.
And then they basically silenced everybody and nothing's been done about it or said about it since then.
Obviously, they were persuaded to not delve in any further further.
So what I'm wondering is if you look at a timeline and you look at when the Anunnaki were said to interfere with the genome, so to speak, what we're really dealing with.
And the other thing is that one of the things I did at one point was go to Egypt with the idea of looking for signs of Atlantis in In Egypt and the connection between Atlantis and Egypt.
And I also did the same thing in Malta.
And there's a lot of evidence in both places.
And one of the things that was, I think, or is very clear, that when Atlantis fell, a lot of the beings at that time went to Egypt.
And that was actually where Egypt got its start from.
Sort of a jump start, if you will.
And then Malta appears to have been a place where possibly treasures and documents were safeguarded.
And hidden.
And that the fact that the Vatican has a very tight hold right now on Malta and has for centuries, the Knights of Malta have obviously been part of that bargain and have their own sort of base there and so on.
So, in other words, I guess what I'm painting a picture of is a civilization that...
Yes, the islands might have sunk, but a lot of the humans did survive and went to various places, certainly Africa being one of the primary areas, and other parts of the Mediterranean, possibly.
And there's other...
Sort of ideas to do with all of this, to have to do with actually a very interesting author, David Ritchie, who just died, I'm told, about a week ago.
And he was an author of something called the Scythians.
Oh yeah, I remember reading about that.
Yeah, and talking about Scotland, Ireland, and the signs of Atlantis, even off the coast of, I think, where Tintagel is in England.
So there's this kind of trend also that has to do with that.
So where would you put, again, I guess the main question here is, where would you put the Anunnaki interference, and how can you figure out How their story is making sense of beings that, you know, a very advanced civilization that was already there, very likely long before the Anunnaki came.
Anything's possible.
If that's true and I didn't really think of it that way and say the Lirans were the originators pre-445,000 BC, then it's very interesting that It is possible.
From what I've read about the Anunnaki, having them make up stories to protect their interests, yes, I would say that that's something that they would do.
I guess I have a soft spot in my heart for Enki.
If they were such bad guys and manipulators of history, why would they insert Enki?
He's too good.
I could see Enlilites and Mardukites being like that, but I can't see – I don't know.
I can't see – and the women also, the Anunnaki women who were just scientific geniuses and their sort of cultivation of humans.
I don't know.
It just seems like it's – The Sumerian tablets, to me, it reads like Shakespeare.
It's written in poetic verse.
The poems don't always rhyme, but sometimes do.
The translation, if it is authentic, the translation in English is incredible.
Several of the meanings have more than one meaning, and that's what I mean in Adam Decoded.
And so, you know, they talk about Uranus and Neptune being watery twins, you know, again, 6000 BC. How would anyone know that they look like watery twins as depicted by the Hubble telescope?
They talk about spaceships navigating through the asteroid belt, initially trying to mine the asteroid belt, then landing on Mars and from Mars to Earth, how long it took.
How many ships they lost in the asteroid belt.
I find that fascinating.
They talk about Nibiru and its distance from Pluto.
There are too many, in my opinion, there's too much factual information in the tablets to be fake.
Now, if what you're saying is true and the Anunnaki came 445,000 years ago and say the Lirans were two and a half, three million years ago, which I've read a couple of books about human history and footprints two million years ago.
If that's true, then it's incredible stuff and it predates certainly my research and I wouldn't say that it couldn't be true.
It's very possible.
Okay.
Now, there's a very interesting aspect that has to do with Mars.
And I'm curious if you looked at the face on Mars and you've thought about the various Cydonia and followed the work perhaps of Richard Hoagland and Marduk and the idea that there was a split in the Anunnaki and some of them went to Mars and occupied that rather than Earth for a period of time.
And then it's possible...
I don't know if you ever saw my interview with Bariska, but Bariska is the boy from Mars.
And it's actually our most loved interview of all, you know, I have something like 800 interviews or something at this point.
And so if you haven't seen my interview with the boy from Mars, Bariska, then I highly recommend it.
And this was back when he was still, I think he was 12 when we interviewed him.
And now he's, this has been many years ago, so I think it's at least 10 years ago.
So he might even be in his 20s at this point.
I don't know.
So, you know, I'm not sure of his exact age.
But at any rate, I haven't been able to get back in touch with him as an older young man.
But he was a child at the time answering my questions.
His mother was there.
He was a sensation in Russia because he came at seven years old.
You might have heard of the story.
I did see this.
I did see this years ago.
Yes.
So the idea, he said he was a soldier, actually, on Mars, and that they were trying to turn Jupiter into a second sun, which is very interesting because there has been some evidence that our secret space program has tried to do something similar.
So that was knowledge that a young child, in theory, wouldn't have.
At any rate, what I'm saying is what is your take on Mars, how the Anunnaki dealt with Mars and so on?
From what I read initially, Mars was a way station for supplies and sort of a stopover from Nibiru to Earth.
So it was sort of a stopover.
It wasn't, you know, initially it wasn't of interest because of the lack of gold.
And then when they came to Earth, they spent the majority of the time on Earth, then you're right.
I've heard about the split, the Marduk split, and then him being basically left on Mars and a whole civilization living on Mars.
I believe the face is real.
I think that NASA scrubbed the photos to look like, I'm sure you've seen that, you know, the Earth mounds, whatever you want to call it.
I believe the...
The DNH pyramids, I believe that those are all real.
I believe it resembles Teotihuacan, Mexico, which I've been to several times and is just incredible.
I think if the face on Mars is, is that supposed to be Marduk's face or the face of the Sphinx on Earth?
The original, before it was changed.
Yeah, I think Mars...
I think it sustained life for years and then underwent some sort of similar to what Earth went through ice ages or some sort of a radical pole shift and then became uninhabitable.
But yes, I believe Mars was – I think once we start to develop and maybe we already have – You know, base is there and the truth starts coming out more and more.
I think we're going to find that civilization may have been there a million years, two million years, three million years before Earth.
Very possible.
Right.
Okay.
Now, in terms of...
The situation with regard to interplanetary travel, and what you're saying was in the books, the Sumerian tablets, he talks about the problems they had going through the asteroid belt.
Yeah.
And my understanding is that if you're going interstellar, it's much easier to go through wormholes.
So it seems kind of hard to understand the type of travel that would indicate, you know, going through an asteroid belt.
And the other thing is to do with Nibiru and your point of view on Nibiru, because if you follow this kind of I know the Einstein-Rosenbridge wormhole theory.
I've read it a bit, and I definitely think it's the quickest point for me to be.
No doubt.
But my thought process on why the Anunnaki drew these tablets with a V-shaped craft, a triangular-shaped craft navigating through the asteroid belt, which who would have ever known the asteroid belt unless you were actually there, would have been almost like a mining mission.
And why would you send a tanker through a wormhole If you needed to, you know, literally put your raw materials on it and then transport it safely without destroying it, without electromagnetism, without any gravitational issues.
You know, I don't know what happens through a wormhole, but safely to Nibiru.
And I think that gold...
Kerry was the focus.
And if they didn't get it, no reason to be on Earth.
So once they got it, they had to bring it back and make sure it got back and that they weren't going to take any chances.
And then if Mars was in fact a way station, then they realized that the transport from From Earth to Nibiru isn't as easy as it may seem and that this raw material gold was the key to their survival.
They were dying of radiation.
Unless they patched up their ozone layer with a thin layer of gold that deflected the heat, They would be dying.
They'd be dead.
So my theory is that Nibiru does exist.
My theory is that it is Planet X, that we've known about it since the late 1980s.
It's been written up in the Wall Street Journal.
It's been written up in the New York Times.
It's been recited by several NASA authors.
I believe it's real.
I believe it is coming in an elliptical 3,600-year orbit between Mars and Jupiter.
It's scary to think what would happen when it does come back in terms of Earth and any devastation that would happen to Earth.
I believe it's real.
I believe the Anunnaki still live there.
I think that they succeeded in their mission in getting their gold.
As we know today, there isn't much gold left.
Who knows if there's even a gold coin in Fort Knox.
They succeeded.
They got it back to where they needed to get it.
I guess it took them through the last 40,000 years.
It was the right thing for them to do and only thing for them to do at the time.
Okay.
Now, I'm wondering if you know that I interviewed this very interesting reporter from Israel.
Have you ever been to Israel?
Yeah, a few times.
Okay.
And he basically saw these very tall, Anunnaki-ish...
Housewives were, during one time during history, I don't know the exact years, but this is in the modern times, were walking around and just walking into their houses during the day where there were housewives.
So this is probably back in the 50s or 60s or whatever it is, maybe 70s or 80s, I don't know.
And they were reporting these tall beings that were apparently not very friendly, didn't bother to have a conversation, and started getting reported by this particular news writer.
And so he was not a ufologist or anything like that.
He was just an Israeli journalist.
And so he reported it.
And then it kind of made the rounds.
And eventually, I guess he might have put it into a book.
He has died since this came out.
But I did interview him briefly on one of my shows when I was doing radio quite a long time ago.
Anyway, wondering if you'd heard those stories, what you made of them, and if you are sort of aware that the Anunnaki are still sort of walking around here and that I've also heard reports.
We had Bob Dean saying they're walking the halls of the Pentagon, for example.
I'm wondering what you make of all of that.
I think if it's true, it's incredible.
I've read, let's see, let's see where to start.
First, I read about a giant from Italy.
I'll start with that and I'll move to Israel, then I'll move to the States.
In Italy, you may know about this story, but I forgot his name, Dino Santa Maria, something like that.
But in the early 1950s, I don't know the name.
I find it incredible.
Some of the testimony that I've read about that, he talks about the origin of the earth.
He talks about physics and propulsion.
He doesn't get into Anunnaki and Sumerian tablets.
Maybe he was not an Anunnaki, but I just find it fascinating that this eight foot tall person who spoke fluent Italian and English and German and French and spoke so prolifically about science and about the Earth's origins and propulsion in the 50s that it could very well be true.
I think that that's fascinating.
Regarding Israel, I did not hear that story.
But, you know, I believe the theory that there is, you know, time travel and wormholes and I believe that the Dome of the Rock is a cover for, you know, time travel mechanism and I think they're all over the world.
I think, you know, as I'm sure you've read about the Earth grid and, you know, the Earth lines and, you know, the power of actually – Using the earth and creating any type of electrical or magnetic or levitational power, I believe is true.
And then thirdly, I read a book years ago about Admiral Byrd, who I'm sure you know – I also
read about Admiral Byrd in 1947, February.
Flying over the North Pole.
Have you heard about this?
And seeing that the ice was melting and he would see a valley of green and he saw that he flew down.
It was him and a pilot.
And he flew down and he saw what he thought was an elephant that turned out to be a woolly mammoth.
And his testimony in this This book says I'm flying low at this 3,000 feet and my compass isn't working now.
The plane is no longer functioning.
I'm being taken over by some other power and I'm starting to descend and I see what looks like an elephant.
It's not an elephant.
It's a woolly mammoth.
Lands in this city of emeralds and crystals and Someone, human, walks over to him.
They didn't say if they were eight foot tall, but someone walks over to him and says, you know, we've been waiting for your visit.
It reminds me of, you know, the Wizard of Oz, you know, the palace, the Wizard of Oz, the Emerald Palace.
It escorts him into this magnificent crystal building.
Into another building and in the other building is this huge seat and in this seat is an eight foot tall bearded white human, red hair, blue eyes.
The first thing that comes to my mind is that's Enki.
It's got to be.
It can't be Enlil.
He's not going to want a human to come visit him.
It's got to be Enki.
Before he dies, before Bird dies, he signs an affidavit saying, That this story is true.
He wanted to, even though he's a military person with an oath of confidentiality, that this story is 100% true and that his pilot so-and-so could support this information.
And that as he's now dying, he wanted the world to know that there exists another world of humans in the North Pole.
That's a great story.
I think I might have heard a part of that, but I haven't heard all of it.
And yeah, I think it's a great story.
It sounds, you know, like it is true.
I know that there is a motivation for not allowing humans to go to either pole, really, to the actual, you know, central pole area.
And that supposedly, I don't know if you know, Brooks Agnew, but he was part of an exhibition that wanted to go into the North Pole.
They wanted to actually go up there and then We're good to go.
Died under mysterious circumstances, I guess it goes.
Brooks took over the group and then somehow was persuaded to stand down and not to pursue the situation.
So now we have also this sort of what some people think was a snide comment on Trump's part, but was probably literally...
It's true that the United States wants to buy Greenland from Denmark.
And, of course, that makes perfect sense if you follow kind of the line of reasoning that, you know, involves birds' visit to that general area and so on.
You know, I have flown.
I mean, I'm not the only one.
Everyone flies.
You know, it's very weird how you fly...
At least it's weird to me.
It's very weird that you have to curve up very far north or very far south to go from England to California.
So you end up going, you know, I think you fly over part of Greenland, at least Iceland, I don't know.
And it, I mean, is the most, I don't know, forbidding place.
You know, it's really quite an extraordinary thing to see from the plane.
And it goes on and on and on and on for, you know, ages.
And one can well imagine they could hide anything they want up there.
You know, no one would ever be the wiser.
So, yeah, it's a great story.
In terms, though, of the Anunnaki being, so you're basically, you know, you have a pretty open mind.
It sounds like you've considered some of these things I'm mentioning.
Yeah.
I wonder, though, if you have also heard the side that has to do with the fact that the reptilians are a marauding species, and they're descended from the Draco, of course, and the Draco are still very sort of alive and well and running the Draco constellation.
That what they do is they go from planet to planet and that they did invade the Anunnaki at one point, at least according to the information that Ashayana Dean has, and that they basically created a hybrid, a humanoid-reptilian hybrid.
And that may or may not be, it is the source of a lot of confusion when people say the word Anunnaki as to that particular humanoid race and whether or not they are indeed Reptilian, partially reptilian or humanoid.
On the temple walls there, as you know, in Iran and in certainly Egypt, they're depicted as humanoid.
But there are some very distinctive reptilian characters as well.
And at any rate, it's an interesting theory.
And I'm wondering, have you thought of this?
And do people ask you about this from time to time?
And what is your thoughts on that?
Yeah, you're bringing up a very good point because it does talk about – in the Samaritan tablets, it does talk about the reptilians and the Anunnaki having been either slaves to the reptilians, the draconians, or having partial DNA traces of having been reptilians.
From what I understood – I guess from what I read, the reptilians seem to be at the top of the pyramid and the greys are at the bottom.
No, humans.
Let's put the humans at the bottom and the greys are almost at the bottom.
Anunnaki is sort of in the middle to upper, let's call it.
From what I understand, the Anunnaki have warred with the reptilians.
For millennia and in this galactic order, I guess you'd say, of things, the draconians are a very warlike, nasty race.
If it's true that we have reptilians working with us in Dulce, I think it's incredible.
I think it's just unbelievable and if that I think that's crazy too.
I don't know if that's true or not true.
It's very possible that the Anunnaki used to be slaves of the reptilians and maybe developed their technology so much so that became independent and were able to fend for themselves over the millennia.
But now consider the draconians either their makers, their original masters.
Not sure.
I've always been confused about a lot of the pictograms in the Egyptian pyramids, not understanding how they'd have human bodies.
human heads, eight foot tall.
I could see the difference between the Andernaki and the regular human in height and musculature and everything, but then you'd see an alligator head on a human body as Toph, for example, or you'd see a human head with a reptilian body.
I never really understood that.
I would always try to understand the snake symbolism in the Bible.
The way I see it today, it's more DNA than reptilian.
Depiction of DNA, depiction of this is how you were made, depiction of the cadacious symbol versus, I guess, the reptilian order.
New world order.
Are humans actually reptilian shapeshifters?
I've read a lot about these theories.
I believe that the reptilians exist.
I believe that they're very powerful and I'm sure very warlike.
I don't know what their relationship is with the Anunnaki and I didn't understand a lot of the depictions of them.
Maybe you've heard more about that.
I never really understood that.
I read David Icke a few times, not a big fan of the way he conveys information, but he's a big believer in the reptilian genesis and disseminating to the Bilderbergs,
the trilaterals and the power of The power structure of humans today, and if humans are still slaves of Alunaki or of reptilians, it is very possible.
Right.
Okay, well, yeah, it is fascinating, and obviously these things are all the kinds of questions that come to mind when you're dealing with really the origins of humanity and our relationship, certainly to the The Anunnaki as depicted by Zachariah Sitchin in his interpretation through the Sumerian tablets.
Now, have you heard the stories like people say?
Some people say that Zachariah Sitchin was not interpreting the Sumerian tablets accurately enough.
That he took some poetic license with his translations, so to speak.
I'm not sure who you can, you know, you'd have to have other scholars that are doing the exact same thing who would then compare their texts, I guess, to really come through with a clear reading of that.
And I wonder if you've looked into that.
I don't know of that many scholars that have done that.
I really don't.
I think, I know Kramer just translated it.
If the translation is not correct, I couldn't verify that.
It would be great to have that verified.
Sitchin, could he have used creative license?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
He doesn't appear to me, reading all of his works, it just doesn't appear to me that he had anything to gain from it.
If he did, how did he benefit?
He died not too wealthy.
He had I think he's, to me, he's one of the most important writers in our times.
I think he's opened up a Pandora's box.
I think he's opened up a paradigm shift.
I think he is certainly responsible for opening up my eyes and the eyes of the people that I certainly speak to and come into contact with, that I teach.
I think he was a little man who was bold enough to take a hard look at reality.
As your show, you have people that are whistleblowers and people that talk about how the truth is pushed down.
I think he was a little man with a lot of courage.
He was fastidious enough and dedicated enough to spend his whole 40 years researching these ancient tablets.
As far as I know, no one ever took theology, philosophy, religion, antiquity and put them all together.
No one.
He at least tried to do it.
He had no background.
He wasn't a scientist.
He was just a kid in Sunday school that was questioning how Adam and Eve survived in the Garden of Eden, how Cain, after he killed Abel, had children, questioning all of the The holes that the Bible demonstrates.
I think he was brave enough to critically look into it, research it.
I think he's a thank God for him because if not for him, yes, you'd still have giants like von Daniken and people before von Daniken opening up I'm starting to open up this box,
but von Daniken to me did the travel, did the work, did the legwork of really looking, comparing, photographing, demonstrating.
Zakaria Sitchin was more the researcher and putting together all of these areas and trying to make sense of it all.
I think that to me, they're both amazing, but that to me is incredible.
I just don't see where he had any gain financially, religiously, in any way to use creative license to make up a story.
No, I don't believe it.
Okay, fair enough.
I'm just wondering if you know of the work of Jordan Maxwell.
Who worked actually pretty closely with Zachariah at certain points in his story.
And are you familiar with what Jordan has told me?
I don't know if you know how familiar you've heard my things that I've said.
But Jordan told me and now tells the public.
He told me initially off the record and then eventually told the public that...
Zachariah Sitchin, before he died, his last book, I think, was something like The Lost Record of Enki.
I'm not sure what it's called.
Lost Book of Enki?
Yes.
And that he felt that he was in contact and was, in essence, downloading that book from Enki himself.
That's what he told Zachariah.
He was downloading the book from Enki directly?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm just telling you what Jordan says.
And they were very close.
They were quite close.
They also had feuds through the years.
Right, like everybody else.
But that's pretty amazing.
Look, if Enki was the person who Admiral Byrd met, anything is possible.
Right.
You know...
Crazier things have happened.
If Enki is still on earth, I think that that's just unbelievable.
And if he used Zakaria Sitchin sort of as his scribe, if you will, I think that's incredible too.
I do know that in Sumerian tablets, there's specific verses written by Enki and he specifically says, and in my book, Adam Decoded, there's about five or six pages of direct translation of Venki through his scribe in poetic verse about topics that are important to evolution in this case.
But my first thought when you said that was that he was translating the last book of Venki, which is actually a Sumerian, not one tablet, but a series of tablets.
So, I don't know.
I think it's just a...
If it's true, it's unbelievable.
Really unbelievable.
Okay.
That's all I can say.
Well, whatever.
So that's, you know, it's just being in my line of work, I hear all kinds of things.
So I thought that might interest you.
All right.
So now, you know, we generally try to go for about an hour and a half in discussion with the guest, and then we open it up to questions from the chat.
So I do want to leave some time to do that.
And I also want to make sure that we've given you enough time to really talk about your work.
And if there's some things that, you know, because I know my questions have been kind of all over the map.
Is there anything that you would like to actually discuss to bring forward to the audience that are going to be watching this as well in the future about your work and kind of your concentration and the direction you're going, etc.?
Yeah, I just think that for critical thinkers in today's world, people that originally used to be religious and have read the Bible and have noticed a lot of holes in the Bible, for science people that originally used to be religious and have read the Bible and have noticed a lot of holes in the Bible, for science majors that have maybe even evolution majors that have
All over the United States and still can't find these transitional fossils for believers in life outside of Earth and for
For believers in freedom of speech and freedom of thought and the power of the cumulative mind of humans I guess you'd say versus the power of wealth or the power of strength as it relates to wealth.
I just think people that have the guts to really look at how the world doesn't make sense in a lot of ways, why a lot of times on the news you'll hear things that just don't sound right, why the United States goes to war so often.
I just think that it's important for listeners of your show and for people that think this way to try to make a difference either by being on a radio show, either by starting a radio show or by reading, I guess, starting with any critical thinker in the ancient alien space and start with it in a small way.
And delve into the areas that you enjoy reading about, UFOs, pyramids, monoliths, texts, whatever it is that turns you on.
Look into it.
Think about it.
Talk to your friends about it.
And ask the critical questions.
Ask, how can it be that?
Why is it that?
And know for yourself that For the listeners of this program and for the people that do think this way, you're going to make a difference because you're going to open people's minds up to alternative thought.
You're going to open up people's minds to thinking about the decision makers today in society and whether or not they have your best interest at heart, which 99% of the time they don't.
Thinking about how free economies may not necessarily be free.
They may still be in slavery, whether you know it or not.
And just try to make a difference through collaboration, through writing a book, through watching your show, through watching Ancient Aliens on the History Channel.
Whatever it is that you enjoy.
But do something.
Don't just think about it and say, eh, it doesn't make sense and what can I do?
I was like that when I first heard about the UFOs from my brothers and said, they're nuts.
They would bottle the wine in and they had no idea what they were looking at, seeing or talking about and they're just making up a story.
Well, they weren't making up a story.
My brother's UFO was the Hudson Valley UFO. My other brother's UFOs happened to be over Montauk.
They're real.
The best I can say to you is that they were my brothers.
They're going to BS me only for a certain amount of time and then it's not funny anymore.
So I believe them and I believe Stanton Friedman.
I believe in, you know, people that, you know, speak intelligently about, you know, about otherworldly matters.
And so I just would love your listeners to do something that makes a difference.
Okay, thank you for that.
So there are questions cropping up here in the chat, and I'll try to grab a few.
So it looks like someone wants you to address RH negative blood.
Do you have any information about that?
I find that incredibly interesting.
Through the course of my studies, the RH negative blood, the Basques, in a very small area in Spain, 80% of the Basques have RH negative blood.
And primates do not.
I have RH negative blood.
Actually, RH stands for rhesus.
It comes from rhesus monkeys.
And this negative is, again, something that's alien from primates.
It wasn't mutated.
And no one knows where it came from.
So I think it's really interesting that your viewer, whoever's writing the chat, has mentioned the RH negative.
I have half a chapter I mean, Adam decoded about RH negative blood and it sort of leads into more of a discussion about blood and about chromosomes and DNA, etc.
But yeah, I think RH negative blood comes from – no one knows where it came from.
And very few people in the United States have it.
I think it's less than 15%.
In all of North America have RH negative blood, but the Basques in Spain, 80% of them have it.
So something happened in that area where the progenitors of RH negative came from and just continued to pass on.
So yeah, RH negative blood is a mystery and it's something that I'm going to talk about to...
You know, the geneticists prior to publication of Blood Origins.
Okay, great.
So there's someone else asking, who is Prometheus in your conception of things?
I love that movie.
It's another great question.
Prometheus could be Anunnaki.
Big, strong, muscular, humanoid.
Although the Anunnaki had beards, as you know.
A lot of hair.
You know, from movies stemming from Space Odyssey 2001, that monolith, right?
Right?
Moving through Close Encounters and then moving up to Prometheus.
Who was Prometheus?
I think it was Anunnaki to me.
Because it sort of fits the...
It fits the size.
It fits the look to a degree.
And I think it was whoever wrote Prometheus, I don't know who did, but whoever wrote Prometheus may have known quite a bit about the Andernaki.
And I think his depiction, even though not exactly the same as the Andernaki had been depicted, may be sort of a I guess a little teaser into what they really know.
Okay.
Along those same lines, are you of the opinion that the Greek gods were Anunnaki?
100% yes.
I think that 12 gods were all Anunnaki.
Matter of fact, they're listed in the Sumerian tablets as their real names.
So, you know, one would be Enki, one would be Enlil, one would be Ninlil.
They all have different actual names.
Zeus, I think, was Enlil.
So, yeah, I believe the...
And it's very interesting, too, because Sitchin talks about, you know, how everything is sexagesimal system, right?
Six...
Because the Anunnaki had a sixth system.
You know, the group of 12 Greek gods that would get together to discuss whatever the matter was at the time was exactly the same as the Anunnaki forum of 12 that would discuss any of the big issues that were happening.
Whether, you know, Enlil wanted to destroy the humans by creating the flood.
Whether, you know, nukes should be, you know, exploded in Israel or Africa or wherever they were exploded.
So, yeah, I think the Greek myths and the Greek gods were Anunnaki.
South America has a lot of RH negatives, someone is saying.
Really?
I'm not familiar with that, but I'm not sure where they mean in South America.
Maybe that would be interesting.
Have you been to Peru?
Myself, I have not, no.
I have not either.
I'd love to see the skulls.
Yeah.
Right?
Those elongated skulls in Peru, to me, would be amazing to see.
Would be amazing to see because that's...
Did you know that there are elongated skulls found all over the world and in Malta as well?
And that they actually put one in a newspaper article many years ago and then sort of hid it.
So we went to Malta.
We tried to go behind the museum and talk to them about it, and they became very clammed up and tried to show us other skulls, but they never came forward with the actual long head.
So that was sort of leaked out, maybe accidentally, in Malta anyway.
Got in the paper and then disappeared very quickly.
There's also, just FYI, I don't know if you're aware of this, but very large skeletons have been found around the world, obviously.
Hugh Newman, I don't know if you know Hugh Newman and Jim Vieira's work, but they have written a book about, well, they call them giants.
Yep.
And I think we're actually talking about two races.
There is a race of giants that are as much as like 24 feet tall, but there's...
Anunnaki that are 9 feet, 9 to 12 feet tall, is my understanding.
So there's, you know, and the giants, by some, may be considered the Nephilim.
Others may consider the Nephilim a hybrid race of Anunnaki humans.
Actually, I didn't ask you that, but what do you think about the Nephilim?
Yeah, direct descendants of the Nephilim are the descendants of Anunnaki and human relations.
You know, I think that...
It mentions several times in the Bible and in the Sumerian tablets that the Anunnaki were very fond of human women and would basically have children with them.
Enlil was very against it.
And when he saw that, you know, the human women were having these gigantic Nephilim humans, he was very upset.
Very upset that the Anunnaki were having relations with the human women and very upset that his, you know, sort of the Anunnaki seed wasn't being protected or, you know, kept under wraps and that it sort of got out of control.
But yes, I believe that the giant skeletons in the United States are.
I read a book.
I think it was also called Giants.
Maybe it was by Hugh.
I'm not sure.
But in the United States, Columbus, Ohio, California, upstate New York, in the 1800s, all of these articles that – you're right, up to 24 feet.
I mean incredible size.
There's pictures in Adam Decoded of massive skeletons.
They look fake.
Maybe they are fake but they don't – It appears that there's humans next to them digging them up and I don't know.
It seems too good to be true.
I mean too real to be not true.
So yeah, I definitely believe that there's giants all over the world and skeletons have been found and I find also I'm noticing that the Smithsonian, obviously who's run by one of the Yeah.
anyone to know about it.
That's right.
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
And, you know, opiate of the masses, you know, keep us sort of dumb and not knowing what's going on and, yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Absolutely.
So glad to hear that you're bringing some of that into your book as well.
Someone wanted to ask you about the Vatican, perhaps the role there.
You must have dealt with that and considered that.
Anything to say about the Vatican?
I'm not a specialist in it, but I've read that the Vatican is the world's largest holder of real estate, that the Vatican is the richest entity on earth.
I know that the Vatican exists in a non-jurisdictional, non-state within Italy that has no one overlooking them and has no sort of jurisdictional non-state within Italy that has no one overlooking them and has
I've heard that besides paintings and art and books and wealth that, yeah, the Vatican is sort of like a Bilderberg-esque entity the Vatican is sort of like a Bilderberg-esque entity that seeks control over people and through religion.
And I think Listen, I used to be very religious and I think it's very important to a lot of people and it helps a lot of people with morality and ethics, etc.
But you have to be very, very careful in my opinion with anybody or any entity.
That preaches faith and collects money to continue preaching of faith.
And you have to sort of be very careful as to what the moral grounds are of any religion, not just Christianity, Judaism, Islam, all religions.
Just be very...
Always look at things with a critical eye and consider why and where.
A lot of times, in my opinion, you'll notice now the Vatican is coming out with saying that they believe in extraterrestrial life and that it doesn't come into conflict with Christianity and that if there are extraterrestrial life, Out there.
Then it's okay.
And that it could survive along with Christianity or any other religion.
And I think that it's sort of the Vatican caving.
Not because of their huge telescopes.
Because they've had them for years.
But I find it interesting the names of their telescopes too.
Because the names of their telescopes a lot of times are...
The names of a lot of the clandestine rockets that are sent from small islands in the Pacific on behalf of the Bilderbergs exploring space without our knowledge.
I just think that you have to look at it critically and be very careful with what you do and what you believe and think it through.
Sure.
Okay, thank you.
Now, one person is mentioning the name of the reporter that I had been talking about earlier, so I don't know, maybe they weren't there here, but actually it was Barry Shamish, and they're talking about, he was talking about the Anunnaki, just FYI, for that person who is writing that.
Now, I'm looking to see if...
The Anunnaki reptilian hybrids who were infiltrated just like they did to humanity on Earth.
So I guess I'm not sure what the question is.
We're saying were they?
We've already kind of discussed that so I don't know again if this is a latecomer or whether they're asking it in a different way.
But Does that make sense?
Were the Anunnaki reptilian hybrids who were infiltrated just like they did humanity on Earth?
I'm not sure if they're asking if they were infiltrated.
I was saying that that's the information we have.
I don't think that you necessarily have that information, but do you want to reply to that question, or should we move on?
If what they're asking is sort of were the Anunnaki the...
Hybrids of reptilians as the humans are hybrids of Anunnaki.
If that's the question, that's a good question, interesting question.
I don't know the answer to it because I don't really know the origin of the Anunnaki.
If I did, and if it was reptilian from Orion or from Draco, wherever, Betelgeuse, then That's a very interesting comment.
Okay.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that the idea is whether or not Anunnaki...
We're invaded the way they invaded us, I think was the question, if I understand that correctly.
And the person can rewrite the question in exactly how they want to do it later.
Maybe we can grab it before we close down here.
So now I'm just looking.
There's a person who wants to know your thoughts on disclosure by Trump in the future.
Meaning for Trump to disclose information that's hidden?
It sounds like, yeah.
Most people use the word disclosure to relate to hidden secrets, especially to do with aliens and UFO, which the Anunnaki would...
Yeah, well, I was thinking Stephen Greer, you know, the Disclosure Project.
I don't know if you had him on, but the Disclosure Project, very interesting, 2001 in Washington, but...
I've had a huge argument with him for years.
Have you really?
Yeah, that's another matter.
I want to hear about that.
There's a whole video about it, so I won't take the time here, but you can just probably do a search on my YouTube channel to find that video.
It's rather convoluted, but at any rate, I'd rather not get into that at this time.
The question is disclosure and Trump.
You know, there's a lot of people that use the words disclosure to relate to, especially the heritage of humanity having to do with ETs and, of course, the things ancient aliens talks about, et cetera, and whether or not every president, they always ask, is this going to be the disclosure and whether or not every president, they always ask, is this And I think the person probably is asking along those lines.
Yeah.
You know, it's fascinated me through...
I'm reading about presidents of the United States and their power, or as some writers would say, the littlest of power that they have in running the country and how they would be puppets to the Bilderbergs and the Trilaterals.
But it's also interesting that I've read, I'm sure you've read, that JFK wanted to, wrote memos, JFK and Robert, I've also read that the Yellow Book,
which is sort of an updated version on extraterrestrials written periodically.
I don't know how long.
Is given every five years, I don't know why it's five versus four, but every five years to the sitting president.
And the sitting president then would be, would read about extraterrestrials and then know.
I think if Clinton were one of those presidents, he would say, oh, now I know.
Maybe.
But Trump's the type of guy, I met him several times in New York.
He spoke at Young Presidents Organization a few times.
People that did real estate deals with him.
He's a ruthless guy, but he's the type of guy that's no-nonsense and sometimes too ruthless.
He's the type of guy that sort of combats red tape and will stop at nothing to combat red tape.
I think if he's so interested in it, I think we would have heard about it already.
I think it would have been one of the tenets of his presidential run.
I'm going to release the documents on UFOs, on MJ-12, on whatever.
I think if he was really, really into it, you'd hear about it by now.
I'm not so sure he's into it.
I don't know.
It doesn't seem to me to be that important to him.
How do you feel about that?
Oh, well, I actually, you know, I back-channel information about that.
That he, yes, he's fully read in, actually.
But the reason he's fully read in, in part, is because the people that brought him into power...
You know, again, presidents are not in charge, and they are run by the groups, basically, at back of them, that are more hidden.
He's a front man, and that's his job.
But I do understand that he is fully read in.
And I do believe that he...
You can't help, but if you're fully read in and you can't help but find this an important subject.
So I'm sure that he does.
It's just not up to him.
That's the problem.
It's up to the people he's working with and whatever their mandate is.
As to whether they are planning to have a disclosure and let him be the front man on that, I don't know.
I doubt it.
My information does tell me that, I mean, I can tell you some outrageous things, like Mark Richards says that his wife is actually, in a sense, a communication fan.
To a group of aliens that are also backing his presidency.
And so on.
So there's, you know, strange goings on there.
And it is fascinating.
The whole, you know, the whole deal with who is running the country and who's running the secret space program and the secret government, because you can't avoid the notion that If Trump's the front man, who's the secret government and how did he get in power and whether they're allowing him to spend a certain amount of time doing what he does or not.
And also the group behind him, which appears to be the Navy, which did hack the election back from Hillary, from what I understand.
And then there's the artificial intelligence side of it.
So it's kind of a complex story, but I do believe that the Anunnaki in Israel are...
instrumental in the sort of The sort of wars behind the scene to run the planet.
And I'm not sure which group is always on top.
But I'm sure that there's some things going on with that.
So if you go to Israel, if you've had dealings with Israelis on different levels, you may find yourself getting information on that level.
And there's also the idea that There is a direct link to Also, you know, John Kerry going to Antarctica, there's evidence that, I forget his name, but a certain individual during the Kennedy, right when Kennedy was being assassinated, also went to Antarctica.
It's as if they go down there to get some orders, actually, and so on.
You know, it's longer than this To talk about that.
So yeah, those are some of the bits and pieces I've gotten.
But yeah, in terms of Trump, I think as an individual, one could say, just generally speaking...
Yeah, he seems like a person who wants to out everything, simply because he doesn't have a lot of self-editing going on, and they in part chose him for that purpose.
But I'm sure that he is...
Intelligent enough to be able to follow the orders he has to keep the secrets they want kept.
And it would be very interesting if he did let any secrets along those lines sort of, you know, get out.
He could drop, you know, he could say a joke, a line joking, like Obama did say some jokes.
I don't know if you know that, but Obama did relate to certain things.
I don't have it in front of me, but...
Sort of making an aside that indicated that he was aware of something going on with ETs, etc., and the running of planet Earth.
I did read that somewhere.
I'm sure you heard Reagan's speech.
Of course.
Of course, right at the UN, which is incredible.
I was actually in Switzerland when he was with Gorbachev.
He was with Gorbachev in Iceland, but in Geneva in 1985, my junior year in college.
I thought nothing of it, but now thinking back and reading it, I'm like, oh my God, Reagan really knew.
If those stories are true about him going to I forget which Air Force Base.
I think Valkenburg, one of the Air Force bases.
Yeah, okay.
Right, seeing ETs.
Then I think it's incredible.
Nixon taking Jackie Gleason to the Air Force Base, seeing ETs.
And in thinking about Trump, I agree with you.
He's the type of sort of...
Off the cuff, says whatever he sort of wants to type of president to say something that's got teeth and the powers that be may be thinking, oh, half of the world will think he's crazy and then the other half of the world will say, wow, maybe there's something there.
Whereas maybe a different president who says that thing, whatever it is that he's going to say, they would think it's sarcastic or a joke or whatever.
Or it's like you said, a slow dissemination of the truth.
Right.
All right.
Well, we need to close this down so that we can keep the viewership going when we put it up there.
People have like a maximum attention span.
Two hours seems a bit long for everyone.
So I want to thank you very much for coming on the show, Leon.
It's been really fun talking to you and fascinating to hear about your ideas, your books, and see how...
How very serious you are about investigating the truth.
And that's, I think, very inspiring.
I think my audience would agree.
So thank you for that.
My pleasure.
Thank you for having me, Carrie.
And let's talk soon.
I know you have some stories I'd love to hear.
All right.
Absolutely.
Happy to do that.
And thanks, everyone.
I'll be back tomorrow with kind of a hot show having to do with the alien autopsy.
Which is ground out there, becoming quite an interesting situation.
And I'm getting my presentation prepared as well for Yelm.
So lots of things going on this week.
And so tomorrow I'll be at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
I'll have...
Colin Wolford back as my guest and we're going to have to be very careful because that's how I got a strike before.
So we have to be careful who we mention.
But certain individuals have gotten together and done a show over Sunday, I think it was, with Spiros Malaris and, let's see, Philip Mantle as their guests and going into his story, his half of the story, whatever you want to call it.
about the alien autopsy and that contradicting, again, Ray Santilli and some other individuals like Dr.
Kit Green, who now has changed his story, and Rich Dolan being the reporter who's put that out there, done the so-called interview that never became an interview officially and has never been released and never will be as far as we know, but is going to be Well, it has been written about in an article that Rich Dolan wrote, so if you want to see all that.
And we're going to be discussing that tomorrow and the updates and the background of the story surrounding that one, what is called the alien autopsy story.
So that again is at 2 p.m.
Pacific time.
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