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May 8, 2019 - Project Camelot

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MICHAEL SHRIMPTON: SPYGATE: BRITISH INTEL

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	It's been a while since I was in Egypt and now I'm back, obviously, and ready to get going on a bunch of shows this week, as a matter of fact.
	And today we have Michael Shrimpton, a barrister from the UK, and we're going to be talking to him.
	He's also a columnist with Veterans Today and an author.
	And I've interviewed him several times so you can see other interviews on my YouTube channel and I do highly recommend them.
	You can also go to the page and see the link to my original interview with him which was in person in England and it's quite substantial about his book Spy Hunter and today we're going to be talking about Spygate as it's called and various related subjects and so Michael is with us but he is not going to be on actually on audio so I'm going to put his banner back here
	on the screen at the moment just because what we're going to do here is...
	on my website at project camelot.tv.
	And before I do that, let me double check that we're all good on the sound.
	So if people can give me some feedback on the sound, if there's any issues at all.
	So it seems okay to me.
	And Michael Shrimpton is, as I say, a barrister.
	He was suspended.
	We're going to talk to him about what the current state of that is.
	And he was called to the bar in London in 1963.
	He is a specialist in national security and constitutional law, strategic intelligence, counterterrorism, and he has a wide-ranging connection both with Western intelligence agencies and ex-Soviet bloc agencies.
	The late, let's see, I can't, General Oberst, I think I'm pronouncing that wrong, Marcus Wolff, Of the Stasi in DVD was one of his contacts.
	Michael has earned respect in the intelligence community for his analysis of previously unacknowledged post-World War II covert operations against the West by German DVD organization based in Dachau near Munich, Germany, and Germany's British, French, and American client agencies.
	And this continues to the present day.
	And politicians and media are rather nervous, according to Michael, of standing up to these people, which is, again, Germany.
	So, Michael, welcome, and it's great to have you on the show.
	Can you just say hello to everyone?
	Yes, a pleasure to be back, and hello to all your listeners.
	Sorry, I'm sure it's no loss not to be able to see my less than handsome features.
	We're actually interviewing me at home, and in theory my home address is kept confidential.
	I'm on the confidential electoral roll.
	It would be a little bit absurd, I suppose, to have a live video feed from my home, but audio feeds are not a problem at all.
	Okay, well, I hope this works then.
	And I think we are live and I'm not seeing any issues in terms of sound.
	So let's just sort of plow ahead here.
	What I wanted to do is, I've given you an intro and I want to know the current state of your being a barrister.
	Are you back doing your work or not?
	Or what's happened?
	Well, it's complicated.
	I am a barrister, but I remain subject to an interim suspension.
	I was suspended to be disbarred by a disciplinary tribunal in September, which departed from the ruling of a previous disciplinary tribunal, saying that I could challenge my convictions.
	I appealed that tribunal.
	They sentenced me to be disbarred, but the sentence does not come into effect unless and until appeals have been exhausted.
	I appealed to the High Court.
	I had a pleasant hearing with respect in front of Mrs Justice Jefford in Bristol in January, but in a judgment handed down last month, she's ruled against me and said I was not entitled to a hearing before the Disappointed Tribunal where I could challenge my convictions.
	I have now appealed that, as I'm entitled to, to the Court of Appeal.
	I have lodged the appeal, but everything is held up pending the sealed order of the High Court, which is yet to be produced.
	So the position is that I have lodged an appeal.
	We're waiting for it to be formally issued, and that in turn will depend on when the High Court sends the sealed order to me for me to lodge with the Civil Appeals Office.
	In the meantime, my in very properly are not acting on the disputed sentence of the disciplinary tribunal.
	It has been a very frustrating exercise.
	In January 2017, a tribunal presided over a very nice judge, I respect judge Susan Ann Matthews QC, ruled in my favour, and indeed we endorsed a consent order, both myself and the Bar Standards Board, Saying that I had the right to lead evidence challenging my convictions and directions were given for me to file evidence should the convictions not have been referred to the Court of Appeal by the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
	CCRC turned out to be a useless crime in an offence intended reporting to the Cabinet Office.
	I think they were probably lent on whether they were or whether they weren't.
	They backed down.
	The directions given by Judge Matthews kicked in.
	I then lodged my evidence running through some 750 pages, at which point the Bar Standards Board panicked and started to row back on the disciplinary tribunal hearing.
	The CCRC gave a ruling.
	I had learned about it in April.
	I properly notified the tribunal and the Bar Standards Board.
	I then filed evidence In accordance with directions, the Bar Standards Board then panicked, no offence intended.
	They then start to row back on the consent order, which they'd already agreed by definition.
	You can't have the consent order unless there's consent.
	They then row back on that and said, no, no, I don't have a right to lead evidence.
	And a different judge, I won't say it would be offensive to suggest that the judge was parachuted in.
	Let's just say that Judge Matthews was displaced By another judge, Judge Critchlow, and Judge Critchlow refused to be bound by Judge Matthew's decision, although I say as a matter of law he was in fact bound.
	That's simply because of the structure of disciplinary tribunals.
	There's a directions judge, he is a High Court judge, and a High Court judge gave a ruling that the issue of whether I could challenge my convictions was to be determined as a preliminary matter.
	And that direction hadn't been given.
	The Bath Standards Board, if they were unhappy with the preliminary ruling, should have challenged it.
	They didn't.
	So I say they should have gone on appeal or judicial review.
	They say, no, no, they were entitled to go back on their consent order.
	They were entitled to get a judge at the same level to have declined to follow Judge Matthews.
	And the High Court has agreed with them.
	Okay, well, that is a little more involved, I think, than most people will really understand in terms of process.
	You did ask the question.
	That's full answer.
	The situation isn't simple or straightforward.
	The reason everybody's panicking, of course, is because I can now blow both convictions out of the water.
	The indecent images of children were clearly planted on me.
	I knew they were planted on me as soon as I showed them.
	I said, these aren't my images.
	This is obviously a setup.
	I asked for a fingerprint report.
	Thames Valley Police did a fingerprint report.
	It came back negative.
	They then decided to suppress that report from me, which was egregious.
	That was quite an outrageous abusive process.
	It is quite wrong for police forces in Britain to suppress fingerprint reports which undermine their case from the defence and the court.
	That was conduct by Thames Valley Police and the officers in question.
	There was also a report which was negative.
	We can now show that the memory stick on which the images were placed was manufactured after I'm supposed to have purchased it.
	In other words, it wasn't in existence when I'm supposed to have bought it.
	The hard drive to which the memory stick was allegedly attached turns out to be an aftermarket item, not my hard drive at all.
	Oh, wow.
	All right.
	So...
	They've seen this evidence and they thought, oh dear.
	there's also a strong there's also a lot of evidence in relation to the alleged bomb happens the alleged I'm sorry what what could you I was convicted I was convicted of two matters I I was convicted of indecent images of children, which I'm supposed to have downloaded on a scientist memory stick in New Zealand in August and October 2011, and I'm supposed to have made a bomb hoax.
	Thank you.
	Please do explain the bomb hoax side of it because it's been a few years actually now and that's actually kind of crucial.
	It has.
	Before I do that, I'm talking about my own case, but I should express my deep condolences to the family of the young student.
	I think I haven't got the full details.
	It's only happened overnight, but I believe there was a shooting at Highlands Ranch in Colorado.
	Which is a part of the world I actually know quite well.
	I have some friends.
	I love Colorado.
	I'm not allowed into America, thanks to Obama and the CIA. I haven't been to America for six years, but I do have friends in Highlands Ranch, and my final duty tonight will be to make sure they're all safe.
	They have kids and grandkids, and some of them attend that school.
	I don't know what the casualty figure...
	I haven't seen an up-to-date casualty.
	I think it was one day, wasn't it?
	I don't know.
	I haven't followed that at the moment.
	Unfortunately, I've been very busy doing paperwork and I'm doing it alone.
	I'm not practicing as a barrister.
	I'm practicing as a legal consultant and I'm doing an immigration appeal tomorrow.
	A lot of legal work you don't need a week for.
	I should explain to viewers, it's not like America where most legal work is done in open court.
	In England, most legal work is done in secret, in chambers.
	And a lot of Heavy cases are actually decided by tribunals where you don't need rights of audience.
	So I am able to do quite a lot of legal work.
	In fact, at the moment I'm very, very busy, partly because I've been involved in the challenge to the extension of Brexit by the government, which has gone to the Supreme Court.
	I think it went today or yesterday, actually lodged with the Supreme Court in London.
	And that has involved working up till three o'clock in the morning.
	It's literally three o'clock in the morning doing urgent drafting.
	It's a habeas corpus case.
	And we had a situation at one point where people were being extradited to Germany and we were drafting emergency challenges and literally working for the early hours of the morning.
	All right.
	So why were they being extradited to Germany?
	Well, the case that's gone to the Supreme Court, which I can talk about because the appellants are anxious for publicity and have said that I can make public statements about it, and indeed it's an entirely open appeal.
	This is a challenge to extradition warrants under the European arrest warrant scheme, where the Germans are accusing a group of Asians in this country, British Asians, of fraudulent participation in a carousel VAT fraud which cost the Germans some 63 million euros.
	Now, obviously that's a crime.
	There's no evidence linking this group of Asians in Britain to this crime which, so far as one can tell, was organised from Hong Kong.
	The Germans being Germans, the standards of prosecution in Germany don't really appear to have changed very much since the 1930s.
	The German prosecutor passed the net very wide indeed and has brought in this group, even though there's absolutely no evidence to link them to the crime.
	They might have known some of the people involved, but that in itself is not a crime.
	It obviously seemed to be a crime in Germany, whereas guilt by association is part of Germany's legal tradition, sadly.
	Oh, very interesting.
	Okay, so are you saying this is an extradition trial, in other words?
	It's more interesting because the European arrest warrant, I say, fell to the ground when Britain left the EU. And the argument is that as a matter of law, we left the European Union at 11 o'clock British summertime on the 29th of March.
	That's to say this year and the reason we left is a matter of law is because the government had no right to extend the article 50 period without an act of parliament and it sought to extend the operation of the European Communities Act by an extremely controversial and tyrannical unconstitutional mechanism known as a Henry VIII order.
	Instead of getting an act of parliament to explain to viewers or listeners rather who It may not be lawyers.
	A Henry VIII Order is an order by a minister which amends or inserts reckoning amendments into an act of parliament.
	It's a very, very extreme measure named after Henry VIII who tried it with the Statute of Proclamation way back in the 16th century.
	And the Henry VIII Order, I say, in this case is unconstitutional.
	Therefore, the government used an illegal order to extend the operation of an Act of Parliament, which it couldn't do, and it used the royal prerogative to extend an international treaty, a treaty on the European Union, which, again, it couldn't do.
	So the attempt to extend Brexit fails as a matter of law.
	We leave the European Union on time, on the 29th of March, and the European arrest warrant falls with it.
	Okay, now I was under the impression that you were still going to have to vote on this in, I thought it was September.
	No, there is no second referendum, and we've had a referendum in June 2016.
	Well, no, I guess, I'm not sure.
	I thought, well, I thought Theresa May got an extension, is what I guess I meant.
	Oh, yes, sorry.
	Yes, well, she got an extension.
	The point is that she had no power to ask for it.
	Yes, the Europeans agreed to an extension, but it didn't matter whether they agreed it or not, because Theresa May had no power to ask for it.
	The point is that the government asked for an extension, not Parliament.
	And without an act of Parliament to support the request for an extension, it was invalid, or as we lawyers say, ultra-virus.
	And since there was no legal basis for the British request, it falls away.
	In fact, there have been further extensions since the original one, the challenge...
	It falls away.
	So, in other words, you're saying that, you know, for all intents and purposes, regardless of what Theresa May has done, you have left the European Union at this moment.
	And is this...
	Sorry, I'm just wondering, does this pertain to this extradition trial that you're also involved in?
	Absolutely, because the extradition is a European arrest warrant extradition, and if Britain left the European Union, well we did, clearly, Britain having left the European Union as a matter of law on the 29th of March, all pending European arrest warrant requests fell to the ground because Britain was no longer a participant in the European arrest warrant scheme,
	and that is a scheme which is confined, it's a very tyrannical scheme, it's an outrageous scheme, Which allows states to extradite people without any consideration of the evidence at all.
	That scheme fell away and all pending warrants ceased to be valid after exit date.
	Now, there were provisional arrangements.
	As listeners will know, the British government of the European Commission stitched up It wasn't negotiated.
	It was dictated to Britain by Germany.
	The Germans dictated a withdrawal agreement to us, which was drafted in Brussels.
	The Foreign Office, the pro-German, basically the Foreign Office is a branch of the German Foreign Ministry, went along with it, as did the Cabinet Office.
	And as we all know, the Cabinet Office works for the Germans.
	I want to slow you down there because this pertains directly to what is called Spygate.
	And a lot of people are not aware.
	I think you're really one of the few people that talks about the German infiltration into the intelligence services of Britain.
	And needless to say, there will be infiltration in America's business as well.
	So that some of the infiltration that Britain is being accused of is directly sort of related to the infiltration they have by the Germans.
	So in essence, it's really the Germans or the ones...
	The Germans are great.
	The Germans are past masters at false flagging.
	You go back to the Reichstag fire.
	For well over a century, the Germans have been the world's leading experts in false flagging.
	The Germans never act in good faith.
	I've never known the German government to act in good faith.
	German intelligence never, ever tells anyone what it's up to.
	It very often doesn't tell the German government what it's up to.
	Okay, but can you explain how British intelligence is infiltrated?
	Well, when you say Spygate, are we talking about which scandal?
	There are so many spy scandals.
	Which particular spy scandal are we talking about?
	Are we talking about the attempt to set up Donald Trump?
	Well, yes, that's part of it.
	Well, you see, Donald Trump wasn't backed by Germany.
	Bush 41...
	That's good to hear.
	Yeah.
	Bush 41...
	Who was a German spy, was totally opposed to Donald Trump's election and was backing Hillary Clinton.
	I'm not saying Hillary Clinton is a German spy, but the fact is that she was backed by Germany and she was Germany's preferred candidate.
	The Germans do not like losing.
	Whenever they lose, they always have a big hissy fit.
	They had a big hissy fit in 1919 after they lost World War I and they had a big hissy fit in 1945 after they lost World War II. They're still complaining about the bombing of Dresden.
	They only lost 18,000 people in three nights.
	And half of them were probably in uniform.
	The Germans had a gigantic history after Donald Trump was elected because they had lost control of the White House.
	The previous incumbent, as listeners will know, was a German spy called Barack Hussein Obama, who was born in Mombasa, in what was then the coastal protectorate of what is now Kenya, and he pretended to be born in America and pretended to be an American citizen.
	I was obviously involved in the exposure of Obama as a fraud, no offense intended, and none taken, I'm sure.
	The Germans were very upset at this even told the White House, and there was a combination of, well, in fact, there were two groups of people having hissy fits.
	There was a gigantic hissy fit in Germany by German intelligence because they'd lost control of the White House, and their preferred candidate had lost the election, having fought a very bad campaign.
	She was a very bad candidate.
	And the Democrats also, led by Hillary Clinton, also had a gigantic hissy fit.
	So we had a hissy fit in Germany, in Dachau, in Berlin, and we had a hissy fit with the German government in Berlin, a hissy fit with German intelligence in Dachau, in Bavaria, near the concentration camp where they are headquartered, and a hissy fit in Washington.
	And as part of this gigantic multinational hissy fit, A series of smears were circulated to the media about Donald Trump based on a dodgy dossier drawn up by an MI6, ex-MI6 officer who may or may not have been close to GO2, the German operation in London.
	Certainly MI6 penetrated by GO2 and we know that GO2 were heavily involved in the preparation of the dodgy dossier.
	GCHQ, who report to the cabinet office, who are penetrated by GCHQ, by GO2, were monitoring Donald Trump's telephones.
	Okay, now wait one second, and GO2 again references the German, what exactly again?
	GO2 is General Operations 2.
	It's the German intelligence operation in the UK. It is headquartered at the headquarters of I6 at Vauxhall Cross in London.
	The MI6 building is known as the Wedding Cake partly because it looks like a wedding cake and looks like it was designed by someone who normally designs wedding cakes for a living and partly because like a wedding cake it is layered there's a big layer at the bottom if you think the wedding cake is a big layer at the bottom which is MI6 and then you've got on top you've got the small layer Which is GO2. Now MI6 can't get into all of their building.
	It may sound odd to say that, but they can't.
	There is a part of that headquarters building which is secure and only GO2 get in there.
	MI6 would love to get in there, but they can't.
	Okay, GO2 meaning, again, German intelligence, but German intelligence having...
	This is acknowledged German intelligence, not a covert operation necessarily, right?
	Oh no, this GO2 is covert.
	They are covert.
	The Germans never tell you what they're doing, and the Germans have never, since Germany was founded, at no stage has any German government been willing to make an accurate statement to the Western world as to its intelligence structures.
	The structures of Germany are opaque.
	They were opaque.
	They're more opaque now than they were during the Third Reich.
	In fact, arguably the Nazis were more open than the current German government.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, no, that's a very interesting infiltration.
	And I wonder if you went to an MI6 agent, though, and asked them if they knew, would they acknowledge that they're infiltrated by the German intelligence?
	Oh, not officially, no.
	Certainly not to the House of Commons.
	The House of Commons, I'm afraid, is dominated by Muppets.
	There's only one bright MP, Jacob Rees-Mogg.
	You can't, frankly, run a democracy with only one intelligent member of your lower house.
	There needs to be...
	You need several MPs of the brain.
	Unfortunately, we've only got one.
	So, for the purposes of statements to...
	The Intelligence and Security Committee, MI6 are not penetrated by GO2, and it's all a conspiracy theory.
	Ian Fleming took the O2, diverted a double O, and GO2 was the inspiration for Ian Fleming's double O section.
	I imagine every listener will be familiar with the fictional double O section, because I'm sure every one of your listeners will have at some time watched a Bond movie.
	Or rather Bond book.
	The double-O section in the books reflected in the films is G02. And Fleming understood that German intelligence is still active.
	That is why he switched the emphasis in his books from the KGB, who are in Casino Royale.
	He then switches to books in books like Moonraker, the villains of Germans.
	In fact, he chose the name of the German agent.
	Drax gave the surname of the German agent to the villain in Moonraker, and the emphasis switches to Spectre, which is the fictional equivalent of the Deutsche Beteiligungsdienst, which is the covert German agency that I have been writing about, and which I suppose I am the Western...
	Sorry, I'm not making much sense.
	I suppose I am the lead in the Western world on the DVD. And we've discussed this at length in other interviews, so for those listening and want to know more, I do recommend our previous interviews, as well as your book, which is excellent, Spy Hunter.
	I can add to what I've said.
	When you interviewed me in England, which was in 2017, does it not?
	It seems a long time ago.
	It does seem ages ago.
	I'm not sure.
	And since then, Germans are burning down cathedrals and blowing up people left, right, and center.
	I wasn't able to name one of my sources.
	I can now name him because I only name sources when they're dead.
	I wasn't certain that Brian was dead.
	I knew he was dying.
	I knew he was quite elderly.
	I knew he was older than his official date of birth.
	Sadly, he has died.
	And that's a man by the name of Commodore Brian English, an awfully nice man.
	Brian English was a treble agent and was the first and only British Travel agent to have successfully penetrated the DVD. He also penetrated GO2. He was welcomed inside GO2. He'd actually been inside their headquarters.
	He was a regular visitor.
	What GO2 didn't know was that Brian and I were having private checks in his house.
	He'd moved around the countryside.
	He was in Hitchin for a bit.
	Well, let me ask you, did he write any books before he died?
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	I effectively was his handler.
	I wasn't being paid to handle it.
	It was all entirely unofficial.
	But Brian knew that I could be trusted to pass intelligence on to the Americans.
	For example, the location of Bin Laden.
	It was Brian English who had lunch with Osama Bin Laden because Osama trusted Brian and knew him.
	Osama thought Brian was DVD. Well, he was.
	He was a travel agent.
	Osama didn't know that Brian was a travel agent and didn't know that when Brian got back to England, he was having a quiet private chit-chat with Michael telling me where his safe house was.
	And that information then goes on an encrypted telephone call to the National Security Agency at Fort Meade near them.
	Following which you guys moved the satellite overhead, said safe house, which is why you knew where the second safe house was because word got back to the bad guys that Michael had talked to the NSA. And bin Laden eventually moved to a new safe house.
	But, of course, the NSA, having a satellite overhead of the first safe house, were able to follow the move to the second safe house.
	Okay, well, since we're on the subject, do you want to weigh in on when exactly the real Osama bin Laden was assassinated?
	Yeah, it was around about July 2009.
	He was invagled by the DVD up to a meeting In Waziristan, and he was whacked by a DVD agent.
	I'm not sure who whacked him.
	I know it was DVD. I know Bin Laden thought it was okay to go to the meeting.
	It wasn't.
	He was whacked as part of a deal between the late Bush 41 and his son, we all call 43.
	43, as we refer to in the intelligence community, the old man was 41, the son was 43, Forty-three was the first nice bush, and also the first American bush.
	The family had been working for the Germans, going back from the time the bushes turned up in the United States in the 19th century.
	Okay, now my intelligence said that he was actually taken out, I think in 2002.
	No, no, he was definitely alive.
	I mean, Brian had lunch with him in 2004.
	Early 2005, the lunch was.
	Okay, so the whole SEAL Team, that was that, you know, Zero Dark Thirty movie, that was a fiction, obviously.
	It was.
	That was a fiction.
	I mean, that's why SEAL Team 6 were assassinated in Afghanistan.
	They were set up, they were ambushed, and sadly they were all murdered.
	The reason the bad guys had to murder SEAL Team 6 was to stop them talking.
	Now, of course, SEAL Team 6 knew perfectly well that they had whacked a bin Laden, but not the bin Laden.
	They whacked one of bin Laden's sons.
	That's why there had to be a burial at sea, because you guys couldn't produce Obama's body, because it wasn't the body of Osama, it was the body of his son.
	So you had to be buried at sea.
	Now, SEAL Team 6 knew this, and Therefore, they were eliminated.
	Whether Obama was in on the order to eliminate them is something on which I would hesitate to express a view.
	You have to ask him.
	But there's no doubt SEAL Team 6 were murdered, they were ambushed, and the reason for the murder was to hush up the fact that Obama, no offense intended, was lying when he claimed that Osama had been taken down in 2011.
	So it was the Osama-Obama show.
	Right.
	So, okay, so let's fast forward to now and to this.
	We've got this infiltration.
	Are you at liberty to say what German agents, aside from those in NASA, which are very obvious having come over from paperclip, but in a more modern sense, what about members of Congress?
	You know, in other words, the infiltration here in America.
	Do you have any particular names that you can say without getting killed?
	No.
	Well, you're right about Paperclip.
	Paperclip was a DVD operation, and of course the DVD set up the CIA, the first director of the CIA, where Roscoe Hillencoiter was a German agent, and Hillencoiter was heavily involved in Paperclip, as were the Dulles Brothers, also German agents.
	It's probably safer on a radio program like this, It's a television program that we're audio feed only for security reasons.
	It's safer to talk of dead congressmen who were under DVD influence.
	One was the late Senator Edward Kennedy.
	He was being blackmailed by the Korea Group.
	Now, the Korea Group, based in Frankfurt, in a little office.
	It was not a little office at all.
	It was quite a big office.
	On the boundary or the edge of Frankfurt Airport.
	If you ever fly into Frankfurt, you'll see there's a discrete little building not far from the airport, which is the headquarters of the Korea Group.
	They control the CIA and the FBI. Is that past tense or current?
	Did you say they control?
	Is that current?
	Well, currently, yeah.
	The CIA, it's what...
	Was it Paul Newman in...
	Now, there is...
	An intelligence movie about the CIA where I think it's either Paul Newman or Robert Redford, it might have been Robert Redford, referred to, many of your listeners will be screaming at their radio sets or television sets or computers saying, hang on, the days of the Condor.
	Oh, three days of the Condor, yeah, and that was Redford.
	I haven't seen it for ages.
	Yeah, wonderful, very excellent.
	I think it was Robert Redford, wasn't it?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Robert Redford says...
	There's a CIA within the CIA, and that's not these precise words, but sometimes as I've seen the movie, that was very well informed.
	The script writer probably had been talking to someone in the CIA. Anybody who's anybody in the CIA, I don't mean the analysts like Valerie Plain was, I don't mean the people on the first, second, third, fourth floors, anybody at CIA Kind of on the sixth or seventh floor of the George H.W. Bush Intelligence Center.
	And bear in mind the CIA's own headquarters is named after a German spy.
	Anybody up on the sixth or seventh floor will be aware that there's a grouping within the CIA which effectively controls it.
	For example, we saw a classic example of that recently when there was a failed attempt to stage a coup in Venezuela.
	Now the CIA were clearly involved.
	And it was a total waste of time because the Korea Group have assets all over the CIA. They're over the CIA like a rash.
	And as soon as the CIA started planning a coup in Venezuela, the Korea Group became aware of it and Maduro was told by his own people.
	Maduro is DVD. He is not a socialist.
	He's no more a socialist than Fidel Castro was or I don't understand.
	You're saying they tried to do a coup on their own man?
	I'm not sure I get this.
	The CIA are the good guys.
	The career group based in Frankfurt, they're the bad guys.
	The good guys, the CIA, were planning a coup against Maduro in Venezuela to get rid of him.
	He's a bad guy, so he's a black hat.
	They wanted to replace Maduro, who's a black hat, with Guado, who is a white hat and who actually cares for the people of Venezuela and would try and ensure that they had enough medicines when they went to the hospital and enough food to eat.
	Maduro is a black hat and couldn't give a damn about the people of Venezuela as long as he's okay, and money continues to pile up in his offshore bank account.
	Okay, well, I thought that the coup had to do with the shipping lane that goes through, I forget which islands, and then over to Europe.
	Do you know anything about that?
	I haven't got specific intelligence about the ship.
	I think I have a vague idea of what you're talking about, but not much specific.
	Essentially, the purpose of the coup was to remove a blackout and put a white hat in there and save a lot of lives.
	I'm not criticizing the CIA for organizing the coup.
	It was a brilliant idea to have a coup in Venezuela.
	Unfortunately, it was a very bad idea not to shut down the Korea Group first.
	Since the CIA are controlled from Frankfurt, since the CIA can't keep secrets because the Korea Group all over Langley, like a rash, the minute anybody in Langley got word of this coup, That meant that it went straight over to Frankfurt, which meant it went straight to Maduro.
	So it goes from Langley to Frankfurt, Frankfurt to Caracas.
	The whole thing was a total waste of time.
	Now, what they should have done was consult one of the old boys who talked to me.
	These were the Phoenix boys.
	The Phoenix boys, these are the guys who ran a very sensible operation in South Vietnam called the Phoenix program.
	Which whacked a lot of Black Hat assets in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
	Now, had they talked to the Phoenix Boys, who are all now retired, many have died, sadly.
	Well, isn't Richard Armitage, would he be part of that group or not?
	Ah, he's still alive, isn't he?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I've got to be slightly careful.
	So you're not going to tell me that he's DVD, even though he must be?
	Let me, can I answer your question in this way, Gary?
	Okay.
	You may think that I couldn't possibly comment.
	That's great.
	Okay, that's not a problem.
	Well, I've had my suspicions about him, that's all, because of a certain track record that he has.
	I can neither confirm nor deny that Richard Armadidge is a German spy.
	All right.
	Now, the nice director, she's a very nice maiden director.
	I haven't met her.
	We've never had hearings.
	Bear in mind, I'm not particularly close to the CIA. I always work...
	NSA, far closer to NSA than I am to CIA. I've been to Fort Me, but I've never been to Langley.
	I mean, they've never invited me into the front door.
	All my dealings at CIA were backdoor dealings.
	Now, had the nice lady director at CIA consulted with the old boys on the Phoenix program, who are aware of the DVD,
	Because they know a German spy in the White House betrayed their assets and arranged to leave a list of them on a fax machine at the CIA station inside Don for the Vietnamese to find, which is a deliberate setup.
	And they found out that that was all part of the deal which Nixon had done with Hanoi.
	So they became very, very up to speed on the DVD. They then organized a little coup that you've heard about in America which involved the resignation of your president Richard Nixon.
	Firstly involved the resignation of Spyro Agnew because nobody but an idiot would have put Spyro in charge of America.
	Nixon only chose Spyro because Spyro didn't have the wits to organize an assassination of Nixon to make himself president.
	So Spyro was chosen precisely because he was an idiot.
	From that point it would be a sensible choice.
	You've got to choose a running mate who's either stupid or loyal.
	Okay, but when you're talking in this way, are you thinking, because, you know, I believe that Trump is backed by a good portion of the Navy, and I'm wondering whether or not, you know, what we're talking about here, aren't they aware of it?
	Ah, yes, but Trump, President Trump, I am told, reads my column.
	Now, I can't confirm that because I've never met Donald Trump.
	We've had dealings with intermediaries, one in particular in Honolulu, when the Obama fraud was being exposed.
	Trump, by the way, is absolutely right about that.
	The president and I have never met.
	We've never had a phone call.
	He does not send me a Christmas card.
	He will not refer to me on Twitter.
	By the way, I am now on Twitter.
	I think I have about six followers, whereas President Trump has about 60 million followers.
	How many followers does he have?
	60 million probably on Twitter.
	He doesn't refer to me in his Twitter feed.
	It would be rather nice if he did.
	President Trump allegedly reads my column.
	Now, I had that from a source close to the CIA. I believe President Trump's daily reading first is Infowars, who won't have me on their program because I write for Veterans Today, to Alex Jones, who doesn't like me anymore because I write for Veterans Today.
	President Trump's first choice of daily reading is Infowars, and his second choice of daily reading is Veterans Today.
	The President is smart, a lot smarter than his critics will give him credit for, and the President knows full well that there's not much point picking up an American newspaper because they're all comics.
	If you're the President of the United States, Why would you want to read a comic like the New York Times or the Washington Post in order to find out what's going on in the world?
	All you get out of those newspapers is crap, if you'll forgive the expression, apart from the baseball scores.
	And you can get the baseball scores from watching ESPN, can't you?
	So the President rightly ignores the print media, which only prints junk, and Looks at Infair Wars and Veterans Today.
	You know that looks at other websites as well.
	There's a lot of junk on Infair Wars and some of my colleagues on Veterans Today get things wrong, no offense intended.
	Well, I mean, specifically, if you're going to talk about Veterans Today, they seem to have it in for Trump.
	They seem to be on the Hillary team, at least the editors, it appears.
	Yes, that is true.
	And so it's kind of remarkable that they do let you write for them, right?
	Well, I have to pay frank tribute to the editor-in-chief, Gordon Duff, who of course is XCA. Gordon doesn't dictate editorial lines to his writers.
	Gordon's approach, and this is a tribute to Gordon, and he paid a kind tribute to me recently, if regular readers will know.
	He takes the attitude of an intelligence professional, which he is, that the construction of a true picture is often dependent on the resolution of conflicting views.
	He does not tell me what to write.
	He is quite happy to have me say nice things about President Trump because he, A, respects my opinions and B, as an editor, doesn't interfere.
	Veterans Day is not like the New York Times or the Washington Post.
	The contributors are independent and are able to express their true opinion.
	They don't have to make things up or write garbage because that's all the editor will let them print.
	Right, okay, fair enough.
	If Veterans Day doesn't have a pro or anti-Trump position as a website, the majority of Contributors are anti-Trump, correct, but equally there are contributors like myself who are strong supporters of the President and say nice things about him.
	All right.
	Well, that's interesting and good to hear.
	So in terms of what's going on with sort of, I don't know, this rather weak effort to, you know, you could call it Russiagate, whatever, you know, that side of things to try to take down, you know, there's such a to-do about it.
	It's obviously, you know, not had much success, but nonetheless, they keep trying and Up in their faces, yeah.
	So what would you say is going to happen with the latest...
	Will they ever, for example, put out that report without redacting, whatever, 90% of it?
	I think it probably scarcely matters.
	I don't think the unredacted version of the report is going to be printed, but the redactions are there for good reason.
	The summary that the Attorney General produced was, in my opinion, a fair summary.
	My next column, by the way, is going to be on the Mueller report, or as I call him Von Mueller.
	The Mueller investigation was conducted in back...
	Okay, well, that reference, I have to say, with your background, would seem to indicate that Mueller is under the hand of, what, DVD or the...
	Mueller is Korean.
	I see.
	Well, he's also working with Hillary, or was, so that's an interesting sort of dynamic.
	I think with Hillary, one clue, again, I have to be a little bit careful because I'm bound by English laws of libel, certainly in theory, even though I'm talking to an American program.
	You're on the West Coast, but I'm in England.
	I To some extent, when I'm talking on an American program, I am covered by English laws and libel, as there is theoretically publication in England, because theoretically we might have a couple of business in England.
	If so, hi.
	Muller reports to the Korea Group.
	With Hillary, it would be very instructive to have a look at who her father-in-law was.
	I don't mean the man who pretended to be President Clinton's father.
	I mean the actual father.
	But I shall say no more than that.
	That's probably as far as I can go without making any sense.
	All right.
	Well, we certainly know she was run by Bush, and a lot of people, that is Bush Sr.
	Exactly.
	There was quite a close relationship between Hillary and Bush 41.
	That's the bad Bush.
	And which people need to know what her email server, what she, you know, she didn't put it in there.
	She did it as part of a group that she was working with, which includes MJ-12.
	Are you aware of the MJ-12 link-up?
	Yeah, there are reasons why Hillary Clinton wanted a private email server and there's no doubt that she lied about that server and there's no doubt also the Democrats have been lying through their teeth about this alleged hacking.
	The Democratic National Committee wasn't hacked.
	There was no download, there's no hacking of Democratic National Committee emails.
	It was an internal job and I suspect the extradition of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States which is going to happen is linked to that download because there was an infantry chap called Rich who was assassinated at the time.
	He seems to be involved in the Yes, absolutely.
	Well, so this is good that you're bringing up Assange, because that was one of my questions to you, because I wanted to run something by you before you kind of launch into this, because I heard back channel that he was actually it was the Americans that were getting him out.
	They want to bring him to the US so he can be released.
	And that now the British have put in this stall, which is going to last for, I think, around eight months or something like that, on a technicality of having jumped bail.
	So I think that the Brits are trying to stall the Americans getting at him, so to speak.
	It's possible.
	Yeah, the British government rarely acts in good faith because it's controlled by the cabinet.
	Of course, Theresa May, although she's the prime minister, doesn't run the government.
	She is simply the monkey.
	to the Cabinet Secretary's organ grinder.
	The Cabinet Office never acted in good faith.
	I can't think of a single occasion since 1916 when the Cabinet Office acted in good faith.
	There might be one that I don't know of, but there will only be one.
	The Cabinet Office controlled criminal prosecutions in Britain.
	The police report to the Cabinet Office, so does the CBS. The prosecution of Assange was directed by the Cabinet Office, The cabinet officer heavily penetrated by GO2. Now why would GO2 want Julian Assange banged up?
	Possibly to prevent him telling the truth about the rich assassination and the truth about who actually nicked the DNC's emails.
	We know it wasn't the Russians.
	We know it didn't happen.
	We know it happened on the East Coast because of the date-time stamps.
	We know the Russians were not involved.
	And we know it couldn't have been a hack because the speed of the download rules out a hack.
	But the idea of a hack, that's to say, the idea of external access to the DNC's computers is a fairy story.
	It's just made up nonsense.
	Now, Mueller went along with it because Mueller was acting in bad faith because he was a backer of Hillary Clinton.
	He's only a nominal Republican.
	He's a rhino in the same way that Theresa May is a Chino, a conservative in name only.
	Mueller...
	Muller was disappointed because the candidate he backed in the 2016 election lost.
	Muller was quite happy to smear the president, acted in bad faith throughout four political motives, and it was convenient for Muller to adopt the lie that the Russians had hacked the email servers of the DNC Because it helped him smear the president.
	There was never any truth in the suggestion.
	Anymore there's any truth in the idea that this lady lawyer had something to do with the Kremlin.
	Well, I mean, it's important to say, though, that the Brits and the Americans are working closely with Russia, basically behind the scenes.
	And so it's this whole thing is sort of a sham.
	But there is the Germans do not like the Russians.
	And so this is where we have that.
	You're right.
	The Britain-America, the Grand Alliance is slowly reasserting itself.
	Britain, America and Russia are indeed working closely together, partly why the Chinese are so desperate to smash up the Five Eyes Network and trying to get their company Huawei into the 5G network and why the cabinet officer...
	Okay, so that explains why Britain, who should be aligning themselves with the Trump initiative that involves Nokia and Ericsson, along the lines of a 5G, which is supposed to be not as basically destructive and detrimental to our well-being.
	But we don't have the Brits fully on board with that, and so your explanation with regard to the DVD and the infiltration of GO2, as you call them, and all that.
	In other words, it's the German influence in Britain that is slowing that train down.
	Exactly.
	Secretary Pompeo is in London today.
	He was alerted by the leak.
	There was a very sensible leak.
	To the Daily Telegraph.
	Unfortunately, the leaker, who was the Cabinet Secretary, the Federal Secretary, didn't know that his phones were being tapped by a German electronics company, which runs a listening post in London, and which taps all MPs' phones, all senior judges' phones, and all senior civil servants' phones.
	Now, the Secretary of Defense has a conversation with the Telegraph.
	He doesn't actually leak it.
	He doesn't deny certain things.
	Inferences are drawn.
	The Telegraph have enough Confidence to run with the story.
	Neither the Telegraph nor the Cabinet Secretary, sorry, the Defence Secretary, know that their phone conversation has been tapped and a transcript has been passed through to the Cabinet Secretary by GO2. Secretary Pompeo quite sensibly has come to London because that story, the Telegraph, alerted the Americans to the fact that the Cabinet Office It was trying to smash up the 5G, smash up the Five Eyes network.
	Basically, the Cabinet Office wanted to give the Chinese a trapdoor into Five Eyes so the Chinese can get all our traffic.
	Well, this would be done if we allowed Hu Wei.
	This has to do with basically a platform for the AI. And if the Chinese AI were to infiltrate America by way of the 5G network, then basically our military intelligence, there would be no secrets and they would be happy.
	The Chinese, it's all Hawaii working Huawei.
	Who are they?
	Huawei.
	They sound like a tribe of Indians in Eftree.
	These bunch of clowns are undoubtedly committed to wrecking the Five Eyes arrangements.
	And, of course, if they can get into the Five Eyes network via London and GCHQ, then they can get into the NSA's network.
	In other words, it's all about penetration.
	Now, the Cabinet Secretary is totally opposed to the Alliance of the United States, is totally opposed to Five Eyes, and the Cabinet Secretary is fully committed to the destruction of the Five Eyes arrangement and is fully committed to compromising our security.
	If you say that so plainly, is this, you know, what you're saying, is this, you know, rocket science to these other people?
	I mean, they must know that this is the game afoot.
	It's an inference which inevitably can be drawn.
	The problem the Cabinet Secretary's got is that he's now...
	Exposed himself as a supporter of China and has exposed himself as an opponent of the alliance between Britain and the United States and exposed himself as strongly favoring Huawei's access into core aspects of the 5G network.
	Now, when the Cabinet Office say that Huawei has only been given access to non-core parts of the system, we know that's a lie.
	How do we know it's a lie?
	Because the Cabinet Office never tells the truth.
	I've never known the Cabinet Office to make a statement, which is true.
	Whatever the Cabinet Office say, the truth is usually the reverse.
	The Cabinet Office is saying that Huawei are being given access to non-core parts of the country.
	Yeah, I know that party line.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, but even to the most unread-in person, that has to sound like, you know, bogus, because that's, you know, it's very weak.
	Why is it a lie?
	Because it's a statement by the Cabinet Office.
	All statements by the Cabinet Office are lies, therefore this is a lie.
	I'm not saying there can't be an occasion that the Cabinet Office might put out a statement which is true, but it's such a fanciful idea, the Cabinet Office telling the truth, that you can safely be dismissed.
	Okay, well, fair enough.
	So, given that situation...
	Sorry, Kerry, I'm hesitating to interrupt, but if I could just make this...
	Sure.
	I'm hoping that a transcript of this interview will find its way to Mike Pompeo.
	What Mike needs to be doing, with respect, is making sure that we lose the Cabinet Secretary.
	The Cabinet Secretary should be treated with the greatest respect as an enemy of Western Civilization and an enemy of the Anglo-American Alliance.
	He needs to be removed along with Theresa May.
	Okay, now I'm sorry, who is, are we able to name this person?
	Or is it better not to?
	Oh, yes indeed, Sir Mark Sebald.
	Oh, I see.
	Known to some of the intelligence community is a Ritter Von Sebald.
	I see.
	Now, I don't know what car he drives, but I bet it's on Volkswagen.
	Now, no offense intended to Mark Civil.
	Okay, well, now somebody's going to ask you and want to know, how does Israel sort of fit into this?
	You did say they were infiltrated as well by the Germans.
	So how infiltrated are they?
	Well, if I name the top German spy in Israel who's now dead, I can name him.
	It should give listeners, straight viewers, an indication of how bad the penetration problem is in Tel Aviv.
	The top German spy in Israel for a number of years was Shimon Peres.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Peres was, or as we sometimes refer to in the intelligence community, von Deres, was working for the DVD. But he seemed to, at times, be doing something relatively positive, whereas other individuals, such as Netanyahu, rarely do anything positive.
	So how can you account for that?
	I'm a supporter of Bibi.
	I think he's a good prime.
	He's a better prime.
	Alright, well, let's look at Palestine and the fate of Palestine.
	So now, this whole nonsense about the Golan Heights going back to Syria, this is crazy, right?
	So, I mean, can you say anything about that?
	Well, the Golan Heights are not going back to Syria.
	The Golan Heights are...
	The United States has very properly recognized the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights.
	Well, I recently read that there was going to be some kind of interference in which they were going to, someone, some newspaper somewhere was saying something about it being given, control of it being given, I have no idea why, to Syria.
	They're always crackpots saying that the Golan Heights should go back to Syria.
	There's no way the Golan Heights, I've been to the Golan Heights, actually.
	So have I, actually.
	They're actually quite a nice part of the world, they're actually quite pretty.
	The Golan Heights cannot be handed back to Syria because the Syrian occupation of the Golan Heights would, obviously, Syria has some of the Golan Heights.
	The Golan is split.
	But when we talk about the Golan Heights, we normally refer to the bit conquered by Israel, and rightly so, under Israeli military occupation.
	That part of the Golan Heights which Israel controls is essential to Israel's national security.
	The job of Israel, particularly after the handover of the Sinai, thanks to the German spy Anwar Sadat, thanks to the Sadat betrayal and the loss of the Sinai, Israel's southern border is insecure.
	Losing the Golan would make Israel's northern border insecure, and the eastern border isn't that hot because it's the West Bank.
	We've got a bunch of terrorists running around reporting to Germany.
	The Israelis can't give up any more territory because the Palestinians will not cease terrorist activity against Israel, and the Palestinians ultimately report to Germany.
	Okay, well, why do you think they report to Germany?
	Maybe you're saying that their head...
	Whatever.
	I don't even know if they have a prime minister.
	I don't remember who's in charge over there at the moment.
	Well, the person in charge of Gaza is, in fact, the president of Iran because the Iranians run Gaza.
	Well, if anyone protects it, Iran seems to be.
	And that was my next question, so you're moving perfectly right along with where I want to go.
	Can you now talk about Iran and what is going on with this?
	Because apparently they aren't kind of letting go of this idea of going to war with Iran at some point.
	Well, the problem with going into war with Iran is that Iran has nuclear weapons.
	The enriched uranium program was always an intelligence blind.
	This is why the weapons scientist Dr.
	Kelly was murdered.
	He was taking the intelligence to Israel about covert shipments of plutonium arranged by Germany in 2003-2004.
	I am the man who took the Israelis' intelligence that David Kelly was going to add over to them.
	David is a friend of Brian English, and it was Brian who first told me that David had been murdered.
	I didn't think for one moment he'd ever committed suicide.
	I never met David, but he was a friend of a friend.
	Now, I discovered why David had been murdered.
	I knew he'd been murdered.
	I then discovered why.
	I discovered precisely what intelligence he was taking to Tel Aviv, and I made sure Tel Aviv got it, and that is in the public domain.
	I think Gordon Duff has been on the record as saying that the intelligence I handed to Israel in 2004 was amongst the most important ever handed to the state of Israel.
	I'm not saying that he's right, but that was very kind of him to say so.
	It would be nice to think that I assisted the Israelis who are, after all, the good guys.
	Now, from 2004, using French draconian, the Iranians have had operational Effective, viable nuclear weapons.
	Sure.
	I also warned the Israelis that...
	So do Israel and Iran have nuclear weapons.
	Yeah, the Iranians have Chinese patent fissile weapons.
	They don't have fusion weapons, they have fission weapons.
	The fissile material had come out of France, it was dictatorial.
	The enriched uranium scheme is a total waste of time.
	In fact, if you want to put a warhead on top of the missile, which the uranium did, take a small missile, what you want is a plutonium-cold warhead because they are much more compact than enriched uranium-cold warheads.
	Okay, but isn't the whole idea of a nuclear war really kind of old-fashioned?
	They have much more sophisticated weapons than that.
	Well, yes.
	Of course, if you can snuggle an equal warhead in, as the Germans did in 2012, then you can set off an equal war.
	What the Germans had in was to set off an equal war between Britain and Russia, because the signature of the weapon would have been Russian, because it was Russian-Certanian, because it was a warhead the Germans had stolen from the Russians, which is one of the real hazards of the operation in 2012.
	It's partly why I took the risks I did and acted as I did, in good faith.
	Because I could see the dangers, as could Russia.
	Russia, of course, was the original source of the intelligence to me, organized by a very nice man called Major General Igor Sergan, now dead, sadly, formerly the head of Russian military intelligence, the GRU, and a very nice man and a very professional and courageous intelligence officer who Britain has an enormous debt, as indeed as his own country.
	Now, the problem With Israel attacking Iran, as I say, is that Iran has viable nuclear warheads and also has viable legacy delivery systems.
	They've got operational F-4s and they've got operational F-14s, each of which is nuclear capable, each of which is perfectly capable of delivering weapons under the radar to Israel.
	Okay, but why do they keep bringing this up over and over again then?
	Well, the Iranians...
	I find it useful to pretend that they're interested in enriched uranium.
	They're not.
	The enriched uranium program was completely unimportant to the Iranians.
	They didn't want enriched uranium warheads.
	They wanted plutonium warheads.
	The patent warheads they were using were Chinese and they were designed for plutonium anyway.
	And you have to re-engineer them for enriched uranium because the energy densities are different.
	Now, the rest of the Iranians have got needs.
	Israelis can't attack Iran with nuclear weapons.
	Now, it so happens that at some point, some strategic commentators and strategic thinkers in Israel were thinking, well, if Iran poses an existential threat, we'd better eliminate it and attack it with nuclear weapons.
	That was a very bad idea because the Iranians would have hit back with their own views.
	It's very difficult for Israel to mount a conventional attack on Iran because you've got Iraq in between.
	So, It's very difficult to see how Israel independently could go to war with Iran.
	They would really need Britain and America to be with them.
	Well, that's kind of a given, isn't it?
	It's a sensible idea.
	And there are plenty of cases, there are plenty of opportunities to start a war with Iran because the Iranians keep organising terrorist attacks on Israel and so on.
	I think Britain should guarantee, and the United States should guarantee, Israel's independence.
	The Iranians are clearly behind the Recent terrorist attacks on Israel using rockets from Gaza, and I think we should make it absolutely clear to Tehran that they pull that stunt again, then it will be war, and we will join the Israelis in battle, as we did in 1956.
	I'm very proud of Britain, along with France, in fairness, the Fourth Republic, before the Germans booted out the Free French and installed the Vichyists in 1958, led by De Gaulle, with three sides.
	Okay, now, I appreciate all of that.
	However, what is this idea, however, that the United States government is heavily influenced by Israel and at the moment, and there are certain parties in the Trump administration that have very strong links to Israel, etc.
	And is that to Israel or are those links to Germany?
	Well, I think that people exaggerate the extent of Israeli influence in Washington.
	The Israelis are good guys, Donald Trump is a good guy, and therefore, quite properly, there is a close relationship between Donald Trump as President of the United States and being now Prime Minister of Israel.
	There's great respect between the two men, and they are working together for the benefit, mutual benefit, of their respective democracies.
	There's nothing Absolutely right, that President Trump should ally himself closely with Prime Minister Netanyahu.
	Absolutely right, the United States should ally itself closely with Israel.
	It's Israel's most important ally.
	They couldn't have won Yom Kippur without the strategic airlift from the United States.
	Okay, but when you say Israel is infiltrated, you know, in other words, at what point do these lines start to cross?
	Because in many ways, it appears that at least the deep state is really infiltrated by Germany.
	And Israel is infiltrated by Germany.
	How do you separate these things out in any way?
	Well, it's complicated.
	The Israelis have the same problem of penetration as we do, and you guys do.
	Mossad has been penetrated, and he's well-known in the intelligence community, and he's already in the open domain, that I was responsible for identifying the key German asset inside Mossad.
	He had been appointed by, he was a protege of Shimon Peres.
	I was instrumental in the identification of Peres as DVD, and also a senior Mossad officer.
	Now, Mossad don't like to talk about this.
	I mean, Mossad are very discreet, very professional, lovely people.
	Mossad won't talk about this publicly because they don't like to admit to the fact that the Germans penetrated them, but they did.
	Now, I can understand why Mossad don't want to publicly admit that they were penetrated by Germany.
	It was no shame in it.
	The CIA was set up by Germany and so was MI5. Right, but at some point, you know, all of this links back to Antarctica.
	Wouldn't you say?
	Well, yes.
	I mean, Antarctica is a very interesting continent and very interesting things have been happening in Antarctica and still are.
	We need to pay a lot...
	I agree with you that we need to pay very close attention to what is happening down in Antarctica and we need to scrap this idea of, you know, we should have proper British colonies and proper American overseas territories in Antarctica.
	We should, excuse me, fall sovereignly over our respective areas of interest in Antarctica and we need to have an absolutely thorough investigation of what has been going on there in the past and what is going on there at the moment.
	Now, and also the violence not far from Antarctica, like Kogelen and the Crozier, all sorts of places where German intelligence and Japanese in World War II had bases and transcript and points and so forth and so on.
	Coming back to the point of penetration, yes, the Israelis have a problem, so do we, so do you guys.
	There is no point Britain, America or Israel hiding the fact that their intelligence has penetrated.
	There's no point being embarrassed about it.
	It's a fact.
	It's happened.
	The Germans are very good at intelligence.
	They're the bad guys, but they happen to be very competent.
	There's no shame in saying your agency has been penetrated by the DVD. What we need to do is to clean up our respective intelligence agencies, and then we can start to function properly as independent countries.
	Okay, well, how can, for example, this battle over 5G and above, which I guess goes to, they're saying, 9G, how do you think that they're actually going to manage to get Britain on board on that battle?
	Well, I think it's clear that the Cabinet Office and the Germans are committed to destruction of the Five Eyes arrangements and want to drive away between Britain and America.
	We need to listen to Mike Pompeo and we need to make sure that we offload Sir Mark Sebel as Cabinet Secretary ASAP and we need to break up the power of the Cabinet Office.
	It's absolutely crucial.
	The Cabinet Office at the moment is committed to wrecking the Anglo-American relationship and is committed to the destruction of the Five Eyes relationship.
	We have to stop that.
	What is What are we up to?
	I've heard various different pronunciations of Huawei and I'm sure I'm getting...
	I'm sure my...
	I don't speak Cantonese and I'm sure my pronunciation of them isn't quite right, but who cares?
	The Chinese can't even pronounce the name of their own capital, right?
	It's Beijing.
	They keep mispronouncing it as Beijing.
	I'm sure Huawei...
	Do I say, sound like a trial in F2? Huawei is my understanding, Huawei.
	But in any way, so...
	I mean...
	But, alright, so how familiar are you with artificial intelligence?
	I... I wouldn't pretend...
	I'm not an IT expert, so I wouldn't pretend to have any great familiarity with artificial intelligence.
	It's...
	It's not my field, and my fields are law and intelligence.
	Right, but at this point, knowing something about artificial intelligence and what's being sort of infiltrated and what isn't along those lines seems to me to be as important as any so-called human intelligence at this point.
	Yes, I take your point.
	What you're saying is that Huawei are not up to their good but they are leading the field or at least trying to lead the field in developments in AI and what they're up to is in fact probably more dangerous than even I realize.
	Sure, I mean and so with that in mind The Germans, are they aligned with China in this way?
	Communist China is a German client state.
	Remember Mao Zedong, who was a Chinese pedophile who ended up running China.
	Mao Zedong was a German spy.
	They were at their offices on the Long March.
	They were disguised as missionaries.
	If you read books about the Long March, you will see a couple of German missionaries on donkeys Like you're a communist, the first thing you want as a missionary is to save grace before maps and the whole meals.
	Okay, well then let's talk about the Vatican briefly because they factor in there as well.
	Yes, well the Vatican is split.
	They almost have been.
	There's no doubt that there are some genuinely religious people in the Vatican.
	There's also no doubt that religion is a core function of the Vatican.
	But you've got the Jesuits.
	They're not Catholics, nominal Catholics, but they're not actual Catholics.
	Now, with the Jesuits, religion is not even a core function.
	Their core function is intelligence.
	Right.
	Since the Jesuits are set up, the Jesuits are effectively the armed wing of the Vatican, and they specialize in knocking over monarchs like Henry VIII with induced syphilis and so forth.
	They've always been into biological warfare.
	They're deeply into spreading bubonic plague.
	But are the Jesuits working with the DVD? Absolutely.
	The reason Germany became so dangerous is because of the alliance between the Jesuits and Bavarian intelligence which was formed in the way, way back.
	You're going back to the formation of the Luminati, you're going back to the 18th century.
	And when the Bavarians teamed up with Prussia, Prussia of course is Protestant, when the Bavarians who were Catholic teamed up with the Prussians, the world was in deep trouble because the Bavarians brought with them The Jesuits.
	And that meant German intelligence, as it became, had a very close working relationship with the Jesuits.
	And we see that with the German setting up of the assassination of the Archduke and Archduke at Sarajevo.
	The agent involved had been recruited by the Jesuits, but the Jesuits were working closely with the Imperial German Secret Service.
	So the Germans, our community partner, the Kaiser, was in the loop.
	So our community partners, the German Secret Service, set up the assassination of the Archduke and the Archduke of Sarajevo, because Germany is committed to starting World War I. And the Jesuits played a key role in supplying Gavrilo Princip, who was nominally a Serbian nationalist, who was in fact a German agent.
	Okay, well, then along those lines, is Germany busy trying to set off World War III? No, the Germans are trying to prevent World War III because they know they'll get creamed again as they were in World War I and World War II. The Germans are very worried about the Russians rolling up with a couple of shock armies across the Oder and beating the crap out of the German Panzer regiments on the East German plane or the North German plane.
	That's what used to be East Germany.
	And they're right to be worried because the next war is bound to be very difficult to see how we're going to get out of this mess without a war.
	I think there's going to be a short world war at some point and it will involve Britain and America beating up on the Germans from the west and the Russians beating up on the Germans from the east.
	The good guys will win.
	And what about the Chinese?
	Well, I think the Chinese will stay out of it because the Chinese army hasn't fought major combat operations since the Korean War.
	The PLA is pretty corrupted, frankly, pretty useless.
	The Chinese armed forces are not that good.
	Well, I mean, I don't think this is not a ground war.
	We're not talking about those kind of forces.
	Really, in the end of the day, I mean, we're going to be talking about scalar weapons, plasma beam weapons, and artificial intelligence.
	Yeah, the Chinese will have something to contribute on the IT, artificial AI side.
	The plasma wear, scalar high-energy weapons, they're German.
	They're under strict DVD control, but they're not going to be much used in a war.
	You use a scalar high-energy weapon to set off a booster storm.
	So if the Germans want to whack Florida to get back at Trump, then they boost a storm, and all of a sudden a Category 2 hurricane becomes a Category 5.
	What about an EMP? Yeah, you've got EMP, yes, well, yeah, absolutely, and you've got, you can use scale high-energy weapons to trigger earthquakes like they did in Christchurch a few years ago, but they're not much use in a conventional war.
	Boosting a storm, the ability to boost a storm off Florida is not going to be much use.
	If Germany finds itself engaged in a two-front war against Britain, America and Russia.
	Now, it may well be that you guys stay out because of the degree of German penetration in Moscow, in Washington.
	Everybody's in a race at the moment.
	Who can get rid of their Jerry's the quickest?
	And I'm not sure who's winning.
	We've got huge, huge problems with the Cabinet Office.
	But we've got a plan to deal with them.
	And we may be able to move more quickly than you guys or the Israelis.
	Well, I think that they are very firmly ensconced in the secret space program.
	And I don't think that, you know, you necessarily get into that much in your work, but it is very important.
	You know, the Germans didn't really, I mean, I would say, The evidence is they didn't lose World War II. They just went underground, so to speak, and joined America.
	Right.
	They lost militarily, but we didn't shut down their intelligence.
	The Germans won the intelligence war but lost the real war.
	The problem is, of course, by not shutting down German intelligence, we created a rod for our own back and made sure that 75 million people would die over the next two years.
	Well, they also, it's not just intelligence.
	I mean, if they're involved in our military, then, yeah, you have a big problem in a sense.
	Yeah.
	Why Iraq took so long?
	It's why they had so many problems in Afghanistan.
	I mean, we were losing troops in Afghanistan because GCHQ were ordered by GO2 to suppress satellite footage of the Taliban planting IEDs, which they tended to do out in the open.
	Satellites are picking it up, but the boys on the ground won't tell because the intelligence was being held back from them.
	I was involved in the operation that broke that particular logjam until our key liaison with Fort Meade got murdered and stuck in a bag, which was locked from the outside, and then it was claimed he committed suicide, and after he committed suicide, locked the bag from the outside, absolutely nonsense.
	He was a very nice man called Gareth Williams, who was gay, as am I. We weren't boyfriends.
	We never met.
	But he was a very nice gay man, and he was murdered to stop that operation.
	The result of that is that casualties in Afghanistan went up.
	There was a nice cleaner called Matthew Johnson who was taking intelligence out.
	The satellite data was going walkies out of Cheltenham, VCHQ Cheltenham, On one TB, which was big in those days, memory sticks, which were being bluetacked to the bottom of the desks.
	The cleaner, Matthew Johnson, was picking it up.
	Gareth was the liaison with Mead.
	Mead developed the software which allowed GCHQ's security protocols to be bypassed, allowing the data to be downloaded onto memory sticks.
	You might be surprised to hear that GCHQ have protocols designed to prevent Well,
	along those lines, what about Benghazi, since, you know, That was very messy, very murky.
	The truth not being told about Benghazi.
	We're talking about the murder of your ambassador.
	Right.
	I forget his name.
	Michael, I think.
	David.
	Yeah, anyway.
	I know who we're talking about.
	At any rate, so Benghazi, though...
	Benghazi for a while.
	Right.
	But yes, that was a deliberate setup.
	The Germans were involved.
	Okay.
	Yes, the nuclear group were involved, and the nuclear group were able to make sure that American forces weren't able to intervene in time.
	Uh-huh.
	All right.
	So just in terms of, you know, I think people should read your column, obviously, if they want to keep up with where you're going, right?
	Yeah.
	On Veterans Today, and I know we're on limited time here, so I don't want to keep you too much longer, because I know you've got some very early morning work tomorrow.
	I am up early in the morning as I have a working day tomorrow, and I am representing someone in an immigration tribunal, yes.
	Okay, so we don't want to interfere with that, but I do want to ask if there's any questions in the chat, just so that we can kind of wind this down, and ask you if there's any cover, you know, area that is currently going on in the sort of political scene.
	Because there's a lot of concern out there about all of the things I've been mentioning, whether or not anything comes to mind that you think.
	I did notice that you sort of made an aside saying Notre Dame was taken down, burned by the Germans.
	That was an interesting statement.
	You want to elaborate on that?
	Well, only the Germans burn down cathedrals.
	Anytime a cathedrals burn down, it's bound to be the Germans.
	Not difficult to work out.
	Somebody was seen on the roof.
	He is clearly the person setting it up.
	He is probably a Muslim.
	The DVD will stay in the background.
	It will be false flagged through the Islamic State.
	It's bound to be a Muslim that actually sets fire at a cathedral.
	Equally, the instructions will have come from Dachau.
	And the Germans don't mind if the Muslims get the blame and if a couple hundred Muslims get whacked in retaliatory.
	Riots or what have you in France, the Germans aren't going to be too worried.
	Whenever you enter into the reliance of Germany, you must understand that German interests come first and foremost, and they will always sacrifice their allies.
	Any ally of Germany usually gets sacrificed in the end.
	Now, as Macron discovered, because Macron, the problem was that Macron stood up to the Germans over Brexit.
	That was very rare.
	The first time that I, to my knowledge, the Fifth Republic had ever stood up to the Germans.
	The Fifth Republic is Vichy and is supposed to be a German puppet state.
	Macron for once did not act as a German puppet.
	The next thing we know, the Germans are burning down Notre Dame Cathedral.
	Well, there's actually been a number of false flag attacks on Paris, actually going really one year, every year, and also there was a very suspicious rise of the Seine.
	The waters of the Seine were basically almost inundating the Louvre.
	They had to move a lot of paintings, etc.
	I was in Paris when this was happening.
	As listeners should understand, it wasn't the first time the Germans...
	Had planned to burn down Notre Dame.
	The Germans had a plan to blow up Notre Dame in 1944 when they cut a deal with de Gaulle.
	The deal with de Gaulle goes back to 1944.
	He was gay.
	He was being blackmailed by the Abwehr.
	And Canaris had sanctioned an outrageous plan which involved destroying all key landmarks in Paris, the Louvre, the Lize Palace, the Eiffel Tower.
	The Eiffel Tower was going to be blown up I think the original German plan actually called for Notre Dame to be burnt down rather than blown up.
	I think German experts had studied the sabotage of Notre Dame in 1942-43 when they knew they were going to lose the war.
	The Germans were worried about retaining control in Paris after the war.
	Their ability to destroy key landmarks in Paris was a negotiating weapon that they had.
	I suspect German engineers concluded that Notre Dame wasn't easy to blow up, but it would be very easy to set fire to.
	They actually got it wrong.
	It looks as though the cathedral was rather better designed than the Germans gave the original architects credit for, and the roof falling in was, I think, supposed to lead to the walls caving in and the towers collapsing.
	And a bit like 9-11, where the Germans were hoping the towers would go horizontal and create much more damage and kill many more people.
	The Germans were hoping to whack 50,000 people on 9-11.
	Ended up with only 3,000.
	Not good, but a lot less than what the Germans were hoping for.
	Okay, now we have somebody asking about the bloodlines, the 13 bloodlines.
	How do these relate to Germany?
	Well, the bloodlines...
	We're getting into slightly sensitive areas where the Archbishop of Canterbury might sort of send me a memo, and I might have set my own bishop.
	The bloodlines go back to Jesus and his children.
	Now, of course, there's no point sending me an email saying, well, actually, Jesus didn't have any children.
	Well, he did.
	And, of course, he was married to Mary Magdalene.
	Which that part of the Da Vinci Code actually is right.
	Now, there were three kids, all very nice kids, so far as one can gather, and they then lead to a series of bloodlines, which end up effectively as European royal families.
	One is French.
	Probably best to cast a veil over the bloodline.
	Well, that gets into who actually is the royal family bloodline at this time, because the Stuarts are the more authentic bloodline, as I understand it.
	Ah, no, no, no, no, no.
	The Stuarts go back to the Merovingians.
	Remember, the Stuarts were clients of the French.
	Bonnie Prince Charlie wasn't Bonnie at all.
	Bonnie Prince Charlie and his son...
	The young pretender and the old pretender were working with the French and their bloodline goes back to a different child of Jesus than that of the British royal family.
	So the Queen is a descendant of Jesus.
	Okay, that's an interesting statement.
	I'm not sure.
	How can you substantiate that?
	Well, I can't.
	Okay.
	Intelligence is very difficult.
	All the...
	All the primary data, all the raw data, stays inside the intelligence agencies.
	All right, but we do know that the royal family is related to the Germans.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Well, by marriage, yes.
	It's only by marriage.
	The British royal family is British.
	There is a German connection, but it's only by marriage.
	And it goes back to the marriage of Sophia to the Elector of Hanover, which made Sophia the Electress of Hanover.
	And also, of course, goes back to the marriage of Prince Albert to the Queen of Victoria, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and that changes the surname because the Queen will take the surname of her consort, in this case Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, then changed by George V, King of England and Emperor of India in 1917 to the Windsor dynasty.
	The surname of Prince Harry's baby is, of course, Mountbatten Windsor, Because the Queen married Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten.
	It's all to do with the Duke of Edinburgh, who's an awfully nice man, with respect.
	And probably at this point, if he's listening, he'll probably, which you won't be, but if he were listening, he'd probably be sending an email saying, shut up, Sheldon.
	Okay.
	You've done very well to bring me out of my show, Kerry.
	Well, I love talking to you.
	I think, you know, you've got a fascinating sort of overview of everything and you go down to detail as well, which is a great skill to go to from one, you know, the big picture to the very narrow details.
	I have a deep reluctance to indulge in bullshit.
	I do know a great deal.
	I probably won't say any more.
	I don't want to accept the role of the kind of people.
	But I don't think it is, in fact, I don't think the Queen would be upset at all to be described as a descendant of Jesus Christ.
	The Queen is effectively a demigod, which is the head of state religion.
	Okay, well, okay, while we're on the subject, then, who is Rothschild?
	Sorry?
	While we're on the subject, then, who is what Rothschild descended from?
	Well, the Rothschilds of Khazars...
	And they are also descended from Jesus.
	So the Khazars are descendants of Jesus.
	That's interesting.
	They're not Jewish.
	I mean, Jesus is Jewish.
	Well, the Jews aren't Jewish, from what I understand.
	They are Khazars.
	Well, I think, you know, this is known.
	So saying they're Khazarian, you know, Well, it's complicated.
	The Jews are Jewish, but the Rothschilds are nominally Jewish, but they're not.
	They're Khazars.
	Now, the Rothschilds are complicated because you've got your nice Rothschilds, your British Rothschilds, who tend to have steam engines in the garden and play cricket.
	The French Rothschilds, who have very good cellars, but a bit wobbly.
	Well, they're French, so they're not...
	They're not necessarily bad guys.
	They're not good guys either.
	They tend to be cheesy.
	All right.
	Well, let's get it.
	I mean, just very briefly before we let you go, and I'm trying to see if there's any other direct questions in the chat.
	So if there was some really good questions, I would grab them.
	But there is, no, there are the Black Magicians, the P2 Lodge.
	And their influence and how far that goes in Britain.
	There's also a war between the magicians that run England versus the ones that are running, I guess, maybe France and Germany, from what I understand.
	Do you know anything about that sort of background?
	England's not run by magicians, but I can tell you P2 is DVD. P2 is linked into the Jesuits and DVDs.
	Okay, are you familiar though with the black, you know, the black pope and the whole sort of occult side of things?
	Have you ever studied that?
	The top Jesuits, the big keys in the Jesuits, is often referred to as the black pope.
	At the moment we've got two popes, as you probably know.
	We've got a catholic pope who's awfully nice, Pope Benedict who The birthday was celebrated last month.
	I sent him a birthday card.
	And you've got the Jesuit Pope.
	So you've got a Catholic Pope and a Jesuit Pope.
	I don't send the Jesuit Pope birthday cards, and he doesn't send me birthday cards either.
	Pope Francis apparently is not a big fan of me.
	I'm not a big fan of him, with respect.
	I am a big fan of Benedict.
	He's an awfully nice man, charming man.
	Okay.
	We've spoken on the Pope.
	We've never met.
	He is a very charming man.
	He's one of the good guys.
	He's a white man.
	Of the Popes, you've got a white hat who is Pope Benedict, and you've got a black hat who is Pope Francis.
	All right.
	Now, I'm just looking very quickly.
	I think...
	On top of that, you've got the black...
	It's very confusing.
	Because you've got a Pope who's a white hat.
	That's Francis.
	Sorry, Benedict.
	You've got a Pope who's a black hat.
	That's Francis.
	And then you've got the Black Boat, who is the top Jesuit.
	Okay, yes, absolutely.
	All right, so let's see.
	The FSB and the Russian organizations, how much penetration do the Germans have in Russian intelligence?
	They've been trying to get into the FSB for years.
	Remember, the Germans set out the KGB, just like they set up the MF5, And set up MI6 and put an idiot in charge because the Germans didn't want anybody with a brain in charge of MI6. Normally we don't appoint directors of SIS who have a brain.
	They're all very nice people and they go to the right clubs and so on, but we don't normally have smart directors of MI6. The Germans set up the KGB. So the KGB Which goes all the way back to that you've got the NKVD and the Cheka.
	Soviet intelligence is set up by the Germans because the Germans bankrolled the Bolshevik revolution in order to get Russia out of World War I. Lenin is a German agent.
	Trotsky is a German agent.
	Stalin's a German agent.
	They thought Trotsky was going to go public in a book that he was writing, so Stalin had Trotsky whacked by a German agent called Raymond Mercado, who was out there.
	Now, the Russians, therefore, the Russian intelligence haven't been set up by the Germans.
	They have had a huge problem.
	But they are way ahead of us, I think, in cleaning up.
	The FSB is a very professional intelligence agency, very nice people, quite charming, limited dealings with them, but such dealings that I've had with the FSB have been very, very professional.
	They are kulturny, and they have invited the Germans out.
	The nicest of the Russian intelligence agencies are the GRU. They're charming, absolutely charming people.
	But Germany and Russia are basically really enemies.
	Correct.
	So how does it work?
	Okay, so in terms of...
	You're just saying that there's not as much infiltration over there as there is in Britain and the US. Correct.
	The Russians have booted the...
	Effectively, the Russians booted the...
	Germany sets up the Soviet Union.
	Germany bankrolls the Bolshevik Revolution.
	Effectively, what happens at the end of the Cold War is the Russians boot the Germans out.
	Now, there is a German asset high up in the Kremlin.
	Putin knows who he is.
	I was responsible in part for identifying him.
	I have identified him.
	I have passed his name to the Russians.
	He has been left in place and he has been kept an eye on.
	Obviously I'm not going to name him.
	I'm not saying there are no German assets in Moscow.
	What I am saying is that the German assets in Moscow are compromised and on the whole they have been kept an eye on.
	And the Russians, if it came to a war with Germany, the Russians would be in a position to very quickly eliminate those assets after a fair trial, of course.
	Okay.
	Now, one last question, and I'm going to let you go, which you, I think, addressed it in other interviews, but I'd like to draw attention to it.
	The Russians are very lucky with Vladimir Putin.
	I understand.
	Very nice man, but he's also an intelligence officer.
	Russia is the only country in the world Which is professionally run by someone not reporting as German.
	The Russians have the great advantage of a very brilliant intelligence officer as their president.
	We have a very dumb prime minister, frankly.
	Your president is smart, but he's not an intelligence professional.
	Vladimir Putin is.
	He's very, very good.
	Okay, James Jesus Angleton.
	I think you've said he's a German agent.
	No.
	No?
	I never met him.
	He was a friend of a friend.
	James Jesus was a very, very strange man.
	I don't think he was career group.
	I think he was manipulated.
	He was paranoid.
	Well, he certainly worked closely with OSS and other, you know, German...
	He was very instrumental in paperclip, you know, so he made a lot of those deals.
	But you're saying he was not...
	So, in essence, a loyal American who was not compromised.
	Or was he?
	I view James Gies as a loyal American...
	I'm interested that the name has come up.
	I view him as a patriotic American who the Germans fooled.
	He was...
	The Germans viewed him as a useful idiot, which wasn't entirely fair.
	And when I say he was paranoid, that's also a bit like to say, yes, I'm paranoid, but it doesn't mean to say the bastards aren't after me.
	He understood instinctively that the CIA were heavily penetrated, but he thought it was communist penetration Not German penetration.
	A little bit like Peter Wright.
	In England, the MI5 officer who raped Spy Catcher, after which my book is named, Spy Hunter, as a tribute to Peter.
	Peter was smart enough and professional enough and good enough to understand that his agency at MI5 had been penetrated, but he thought in terms of the Russians, because he never met Ian Fleming, he didn't know about the DVD or GD02. So he was half right.
	Yes, the agency was penetrated, MI5 were penetrated, yes, CIA were penetrated, but it wasn't by the Russians, it was by the Germans, and of course it was complicated because the Germans kept hiding behind the Russians.
	A key German agent in Britain in the 1960s and 70s was Harold Wilson, who they installed in Number 10, but he met his handers, he was DVD, but he met his handers in Moscow, and Lisa Wright thought that Wilson was working for the Russians because he was meeting with Russian national intelligence officers.
	Well, okay, what's your take on Philby, though?
	You know, Philby was the big spy that got away, so to speak.
	I generally don't think James Jesus was a German spy.
	I think he was a patriotic American.
	An interesting man, and I think a little bit better an intelligence officer than The Germans gave him credit for, and modern intelligence commentators are prepared to give him credit for.
	So I never met him, but he was a friend of several friends.
	But he was also very close to the Vatican.
	Yeah, I think for memory he's Catholic, isn't he?
	Yes, as I recall, but apparently not, like on a religious level.
	I don't think he's a particular religious nutter.
	I don't believe in God, but I... It certainly was close to the good guys of the Vatican.
	And as I said, the Vatican are complex because you've got good lives like Pope Benedict, who's a charming man, but also a good man.
	And you've got the bad guys, like Pope Francis, no offence intended, and the head of the Jesuits.
	And it's complex.
	I've been at the Vatican a long time ago, 1975, and had a general audience of Pope Benedict.
	Fierce the, oh, Paul VI. 75, yes, a long time ago, Paul VI. Greatly impressed me.
	He was a good guy.
	Okay.
	If you ever met him, you got that impression of a genuinely good man.
	I was, as an individual, he impressed me greatly.
	Although it was only a general audience, so I got questioned, but I didn't actually shake hands.
	Right.
	So, in terms of...
	I mean, the actual forefront of the battles that are going on, because there's, you know, a lot to do about the upcoming American election, and it seems to me the most important battles are going to be fought to do with AI at this point, but do you have any thoughts on that?
	I don't think the AI battle is important.
	I don't think it's going to be crucial.
	The...
	The general election in the United States next year will be very important.
	Obviously, the Germans will be hoping Trump will lose.
	And I have to tell you, I predicted President Trump's victory in 2016 on Veterans Today.
	I was one of the few people to successfully predict the outcome of the American election in 2016.
	Okay.
	I think my prediction is he will win in 2020.
	I don't know who the Democratic candidate is going to be, but I don't think, frankly, it makes much difference.
	Democrats haven't got anybody good enough to beat Trump.
	Hillary's not running.
	Joe Biden's a joke.
	And Joe Biden plagiarized the speech of a friend of mine, not a friend, but someone I knew, Neil Kinnock.
	He was the leader of the Labour Party and my predecessor as President of the Students' Union at University College Cardiff, which is where I got to know him in his early 80s.
	Biden, from memory, plagiarised a speech.
	He just lifted it word for word, which was a dishonest, but also stupid.
	And I suppose one of the rules of politics is if you're going to be dishonest, you've got to be clever, like Bush 41.
	You can get away with it while you're alive.
	Okay, well, that's an interesting accusation.
	I don't know, you know, if there are any legalities around, you know, accusing the vice president of various things.
	I think he admitted it.
	Really?
	There was nothing to do.
	The speech was lifted, designed for lying.
	It was a talk about Kenneth being the first member of his first president.
	Okay, this is a good question, and I know I keep saying I'm going to let you go, but there is a good question here in the chat, and then we really will let you go.
	Who would you say, who's in charge of German intelligence?
	Ah, now, that is a $64,000 question, and I don't know.
	I know Bush 41 was very senior, and And certainly he was a candidate for director after his brother.
	The head of the DVD, or certainly the head of the DVD in America, was Prescott Bush Jr., who was Bush Sr.'s elder brother.
	Everybody talks about Bush 41 being evil, but forgets that bad as Bush 41 was, he was an angel compared to his elder brother, who was a real scumbag and very much like his father, Prescott Bush.
	Now, there he's dead, of course, thank goodness.
	He was either the director of the DVD or director for America.
	Bush 41 was thought to have taken over from him, but it's unclear.
	The DVD, our covert, is very, very difficult, and it's also riven by factions.
	Okay, well, are you able to say anything, I mean, of a faction, any particular, and is that faction directly taking orders from Antarctica, for example?
	I think the Bush, the faction to which Bush 41 belonged is no longer in control.
	That's the way I read it.
	But we're talking about the world's most opaque intelligence agent.
	And bear in mind, the intelligence officer who penetrated the DVD for British intelligence, Brian English, is now dead.
	Right, and you said he didn't write any books.
	We don't have anybody inside the DVD. Now, you mentioned at the outset a very nice man, General Oberst Marcus Wolf.
	Now, there's no point somebody emailing me saying, why are you saying he's a nice man?
	He was a nice man.
	MI6 didn't like him.
	That's because he was smarter than they were, and he kept whacking their boys in Berlin in the old days.
	Well, I'm sorry about that, but the fact is that if you're sending spies to East Germany with Marcus in charge of East German intelligence, you're on a high heading to nothing.
	Mark has spotted our boys coming from a mile off.
	He's a brilliant counterintelligence officer.
	So I have high professional regard for him, but he's also a very nice man and liked a glass of scotch.
	I'm happy to buy him a glass of scotch.
	Okay, well, let me ask you this.
	Then the ostensible head of German intelligence, which would be somebody known publicly, is certainly not the real head.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Exactly.
	It's a little bit like the head of the CIA. The publicly announced head of the CIA is not in charge of the CIA. It's complicated, but certainly the BVF, the internal agency, they are not in charge of German intelligence.
	The DVD controls both, although it's got much more control over the BND than it does over the BBF. Okay.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for all of this.
	It's actually a lot of fun to talk about.
	I keep muddling up their nipples.
	I keep confusing the British Volkswagen Festival, the BFE, the German Internation.
	All the whole, quite nice people.
	I've had very little to do with them.
	Okay.
	Well, it says the BFV chief is Hans-George Maasen.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He's, I gather he's, I've never met him, nice man, not in, I mean, he's, yeah, right, he controls his agency, but he's not in charge of German intelligence.
	Right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Normally the director's, Galen was DVD, but normally the director of the Bundesnacht Rieting The DVD will run his agency.
	He will be a figurehead or she will be a figurehead, not necessarily a DVD officer.
	When the Germans control the agency, they find it quite useful, as with Mansfield coming to put an idiot in charge.
	Then they run the agency behind his back.
	It doesn't follow from the fact that an agency is controlled by the DBD, that the actual director is DBD, like the CIA. The head of the CIA is not DBD, she's not career group.
	Well, I mean, we're probably talking about the person who took Bush Senior's place, in essence.
	Yes.
	Yes, we are.
	I don't think there's been any change at the top since Bush Senior snuffed it.
	Of course, there's a big debate as to when he actually snuffed it.
	It certainly wasn't the official announced date.
	He didn't die on the date they put on the death certificate, that's for sure.
	But there are also indications of a big bust-up inside the DVD. When Marcus Wolfe was, after his retirement, he was associated with another faction that goes back to Admiral Canaris.
	Wolf, Marcus was close to Canaris.
	In fact, I remember reintroducing Marcus to Canaris as secretary who sought asylum in Britain after World War II. And it was very touching.
	It was a reunion.
	They hadn't seen each other for a donkey's years.
	Marcus was close to Canaris.
	The Canaris faction, which is opposed to the Bush faction, the Canaris faction also associated with Nelson Rockefeller, who Bush had whacked.
	Remember, Bush organises the whacking in Nelson.
	Marcus, because he was closely associated with Herr Admiral, Bush 41 went after Marcus, and Bush 41's people cracked on Marcus big time after the reunification of Germany.
	Marcus was very upset by the way he'd been treated.
	They tried to knock him up.
	They did knock him up briefly.
	They stiffed around with his pension.
	They treated him very stupidly.
	And he then came over, well, he didn't come over to us, but he then had talked very freely.
	And one of the people he talked to was me.
	Again, one of the reasons why I am up to speed and know a lot about the DVD is because I've talked to a senior DVD officer from one faction that lost control, was treated very badly, and was therefore willing to talk about the DVD. And that's why I was so polite to Marcus when we met, and that's why I maintain contact with him.
	I remember the Russians being startled when I was racing back to England on a train on the Moscow Express from Moscow by the Rusko station to Berlin-Dichtenberg and I was trying to arrange a lunch with Marcus because I wouldn't dream again for East Berlin without looking Marcus up.
	The Russians are monitoring these cell phone calls from myself and Marcus's home number leaving messages and Marcus saying, my dear Jack, in Berlin tomorrow can we have lunch?
	And the Russians are probably thinking, what the hell is going on?
	What's Schrington doing, giving such nice messages for General Oberst Marcus Wolf, who's a German?
	Yes, he was, but that doesn't stop him being a nice guy.
	There are nice Germans, not many.
	I've met at least half a dozen.
	Marcus is one of them.
	And he was a pro.
	I had great respect for him as an intelligence officer.
	But more than that, he was willing to talk.
	And the purpose of my engaging with Marcus, as I did, Fair enough.
	I will forever say nice things about Marcus, who was actually charming.
	He's a very nice man.
	Okay, Michael, I'm going to let you go.
	I know you have to get up in the morning.
	He had very good tasting scotch.
	I wouldn't bear off him a blended scotch.
	He liked a single malt.
	Okay, well, that's interesting to hear.
	So, at any rate, thank you again for coming on the show.
	Fascinating, as always.
	We could probably spend the next eight hours sort of jumping all over the world and getting your take on all these things.
	Current history, past history, etc., etc.
	I know that some people may disagree with you.
	It's an interesting board game, if you want to call it that.
	But it is very nice to hear from you all With regard to all of this.
	So I hope we can invite you back in the future.
	And best of luck with getting reinstated as a barrister, as you have every right to be.
	Yeah, and I don't mind people...
	Well, I was sustained embarrassment, but I don't mind people disagreeing with me.
	There's no monopoly on truth.
	I can't try to get everything 100% accurate.
	It's not possible in the world of intelligence to be 100% accurate.
	It's what we aim for.
	But if we get past, I'm in the high 90s, I like to think, that's doing pretty well.
	But you can't get everything right.
	And I'm going to get something wrong.
	And I'm always happy, if I make a mistake, I'm always happy to be pointed out, always happy to be corrected.
	And I don't mind people disagreeing with me.
	The process of intelligence analysis is, you know, it flows from Well, it's also a moving target, so to speak.
	So, at any rate, do you have an email address or any particular information you want to put out as to how people can contact you, that sort of thing?
	Yeah, I was hesitant to put my email address out, but it gets enough junk as it is, but I'm sure the emails from your listeners won't be junk.
	It's michael at mshrumpton, all one word,.co.uk.
	It's actually in the public domain.
	It's a published email address.
	And your books are available on Amazon and amazon.co.uk as well?
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay, very good.
	So are you writing another book, by the way?
	I plan to, but I'm going to wait until the denouement.
	It's going to be a lighter book than Spy Hunter.
	It's going to be a sort of book about legal disasters, and it's going to include my case.
	But I haven't started writing yet.
	I haven't got the time to write books at the moment.
	I'm extremely busy.
	But I can't write.
	I really want to find out...
	I want to find out what's happening in my case, but my book is never going to talk about it and it's easy to write it when everything is done and dusted.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Not this year.
	Certainly I would hope next year to start writing a publication next year, possibly, but don't start going down to your local bookstore and putting in an order.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So anyway, have a great night and hope that this hasn't been too late for you.
	That's all right.
	I'm planning to get some sleep.
	It's only coming up to three minutes to 11 in the UK. Thank you very much, Gary.
	Always a pleasure to be on the show.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	So that's very, very good.
	Really appreciate that.
	So everyone, that's what's going on.
	And now tonight I'm going to have Richard Allen Miller on the show.
	So that should be a lot of fun.
	And so you can tune in at 7 p.m.
	tonight and we'll be doing that.
	So I want to thank everyone for watching, and I'll be back at 7 p.m.
	tonight with Richard Allen Miller, the physicist, who is really fascinating.
	And so I hope everyone can tune in back for that.
	Take care and talk to you later.

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