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April 3, 2019 - Project Camelot

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BEN EMLYN JONES : ROSWELL, DISCLOSURE AND MORE

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	to be here today.
	I want to welcome Ben Emlyn Jones and he is a very interesting researcher.
	I did have him on my show a while back and we were looking into a psychic who is a very well-known British psychic and Things surrounding her.
	And I'm going to bring him on the show just a moment here.
	But I want to read his bio.
	And actually, Ben, while I do that, I guess I'll bring you on the screen so that people can just sort of see your face and say hello.
	Okay.
	And, okay, this sort of thing is doing some weird...
	Stuff here...
	Sorry, just one second.
	I have to...
	Not sure why YouTube does this thing with me.
	So, what do I do?
	Okay, I don't know.
	I've got these icons on your face.
	I'm sorry.
	The Skype thing is doing some weird sort of thing going on.
	So...
	Let me just stop and put the banner back on the screen here, and then we'll just come back to you as soon as I can get these darn things off here.
	So, at any rate, Ben is a former UK NHS hospital porter who, over the course of his life, has discovered that subjects most people laugh at, such as UFOs, ghosts, government cover-ups,
	and so on, are the most important I'm not sure if there's a way of saying that.
	Okay.
	Radio and television and the author of the book, Roswell Rising, a novel of a disclosure, and it has two sequels.
	So we're going to talk about all of that.
	And what I'm trying to do here is actually...
	Why that is doing this, I don't understand.
	Okay.
	From time to time my Skype does weird things, so it simply won't stop putting these icons on the screen.
	And I don't know why.
	I can see you now, Kerry.
	You can see me, yeah, because I'm trying to sort of shake it into shape here.
	To the NSA again.
	Yeah, I guess that's what it is.
	Oh, now they've gone.
	Okay, so that looks promising.
	If you're listening, guys, get a proper job.
	Exactly.
	Please, please, please do.
	Okay, so let's see if we can get you on the screen without icons.
	That's the big thing.
	Okay, there you are.
	Wonderful.
	Okay, so say hello to everyone, Ben.
	Hi, everyone.
	Thanks for tuning in and watching.
	Okay, very good.
	And what I'd like to do is just have you talk a little bit more about your background.
	That's kind of a very superficial look at you.
	And also tell me how to spell, how to pronounce, H-P-A-N-W-O. I pronounce it H-P-A-N-W-O, and it stands for Hospital Porters Against the New World Orange.
	The reason I chose that name is because there used to be a chap in the United States called Jack Magdalene.
	We had a group called Police Against a New World Order and I thought what's good for police is good for hospital reporters.
	I was a hospital reporter in the National Health Service in the UK for 24 years and so her panel was born way back in 2006.
	Okay, well wonderful.
	Now, what was the name of the psychic?
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Do I sound alright?
	I just got a message from somebody saying I sound muffled.
	You sound muffled.
	Do I sound a lot?
	You sound okay to me, but it's, you know, there's always some weird things that go on, so I can't really say what.
	Maybe, let's see, at your end, perhaps you can sit either closer to the mic or turn your volume a bit louder.
	Testing, testing.
	I might change it to...
	I think I've got the other camera mic on.
	I can't really change it.
	Not to worry, as long as I'm audible, that's the main thing.
	Right.
	I'm sorry.
	Sound is so temperamental, and if they want to mess with us, the first thing they hit is the sound.
	And people are quite hysterical over sound.
	I think that I'll turn you up over here and see if that helps.
	I should be using this microphone here.
	Do I sound alright to you?
	You sound fine to me, actually.
	So why don't you go ahead and then we'll try to monitor the sound as we go and make sure other people can hear you.
	YouTube is recording you at this time.
	Perhaps the recording will be better than whatever.
	So to get back to the subject at hand, what I'd like you to do is talk a little bit about the psychic that we You had gone to meet her and you did a wonderful documentary just to remind people and they can look at my interview with you.
	I was previously on Project Camelot to talk about Helen Duncan.
	Now she was a very, very famous psychic medium.
	She was a very powerful one, probably one of the most powerful in the world has ever known.
	She was born in Scotland in 1898 and died in 1956 in Nottingham.
	But in 1944, she was prosecuted under the witchcraft back to 1735, and she became the last person ever to be imprisoned under the Witchcraft Act.
	And last time I was on the show, I was joined by her granddaughter, Margaret Hahn, and we spoke about the suspicious elements in the prosecution of this woman.
	We believe that she was essentially set up and put away because her powers were so great, she was essentially jeopardizing wartime secrecy.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Now, what we're here to discuss, however, are your books as well as various other things.
	Now, there is a UFO researcher that I recently saw you talk about.
	Whose name, I'm sorry, escapes me, but you're going to know who I met, who was actually killed on stage.
	What was his name?
	Dean Warwick.
	Okay, Dean Warwick.
	And you knew him, I believe, well?
	Not very well, no.
	I only met him that weekend.
	Oh, I thought you'd known him.
	Okay.
	So, can you talk about that story?
	Because I think people who don't know him and haven't, you know, seen his work and also...
	May not know this history.
	We'll find this very interesting.
	And it is pertinent because people may not realize that they do take out, that is kill, UFO researchers from time to time.
	So go ahead and talk about him a bit.
	They do indeed.
	They actually do take people out, not all the time, but only if they have to because it draws attention towards the person they're targeting.
	But if necessary, as they will, they will remove that person from the living world.
	Dee Warwick was a civil engineer from New Zealand, and he died.
	He was in his early 60s, and he was fit and well.
	And he appeared at the probe conference in September of 2006.
	And this was the first probe conference that I actually attended.
	And he was only added to the bill at the last time, sorry, the last moment.
	And he, basically, he's, when I got there and I got the agenda, He said that he was going to talk about 9-11, and this is the scary, spooky thing.
	He was going to name the Antichrist.
	Now, this sounds like something from Omen, and I think it alarmed a lot of people.
	It certainly alarmed me.
	When he came on stage, he did a practical demonstration about the Twin Towers falling using cans of beans.
	He demonstrated that the Twin Towers could not have actually fallen and be destroyed by a normal collapse.
	He said it's not possible.
	He then said, I'm going to tell you something I really shouldn't tell you, but I think you need to know.
	It seemed he was building up to some kind of climax within his speech.
	And I looked over my shoulder actually half joking to myself there might be a sniper in the air vents or something.
	And then he said, bear with me.
	And then he fell forward onto his face and never moved again.
	And we jumped up and some people tried to resuscitate him.
	I called an ambulance.
	But there was nothing we could do.
	He He was taken to hospital, but unfortunately he passed away.
	Yeah, it's most extraordinary.
	I believe there are others who have also been killed, obviously, but I think there are others that were actually killed on stage.
	It seems to me there was another person who that happened to.
	Now, that's a pretty drastic move.
	I think that's quite interesting.
	So he hadn't quite gotten to the reveal having to do with the Antichrist, correct?
	Well, based on what he said in his blurb, and what he was saying, what he was leading up to in his speech, a lot of people have wondered, including myself, was he going to name the Antichrist, and that's when he collapsed and died.
	Now, we don't know exactly what he's going to say, because he never got the chance to say it, but it makes you wonder.
	He did a couple of interviews with Dave Starbuck, who's a well-known British researcher shortly before the Probe Conference, And he didn't let on anything that I would say, anything in particular I would say that he would match what he was going to say in his speech, shall I say.
	Very, very strange business.
	Obviously everyone was very shocked.
	His family was very shocked.
	Right.
	And what year was this?
	Do you remember?
	2006.
	All right.
	Quite a long time ago.
	So, now recently I did an interview with Captain Mark Richards, and I don't know if you followed my interviews with him.
	This was the 10th interview, and he actually said that since Christmas he had heard, and we haven't gotten this verified though, but that six UFO, I think he said six, UFO researchers had been killed.
	Now, that's really bizarre.
	And I didn't know if...
	We know that Jim Mars died right prior to Christmas, I think it was.
	Bob Dean was born.
	Sorry, who else?
	Bob Dean.
	Oh, well, right.
	Of course, Bob Dean.
	But I think, you know, Bob Dean had been convalescing for quite some time and was quite elderly.
	And we believe that was a more or less natural occurrence.
	So...
	I can't count Bob Dean in that group, but we did wonder if Jim Mars might be a part of it.
	Any thoughts on anybody else that might have passed?
	I mean, certainly, Robin Falkov, Richard Hoagland's partner, did die.
	That was quite shocking, but she wouldn't necessarily, I don't think, be classified as a UFO researcher.
	So, not sure about her.
	But if there are any other...
	Waiting to see...
	The one name that immediately comes to mind is Max Spears.
	Right.
	This was several years ago now.
	Yeah, no.
	This is something recent.
	This has to be recent.
	So Max Spears was at least a year ago.
	Maybe two.
	I can't think of any names.
	I mean, I've not asked...
	I don't know Mark.
	I know Joanne is one.
	And she's not mentioned anything to do with this.
	But I can't think of any names that people...
	I mean, if someone reminds me, it's possible one has come across my way and I've forgotten.
	Yeah, I mean, at some point I expect to get a list, but I just was curious if anything came to mind there.
	So in terms of what you have been receiving, you did mention to me you wanted to talk about disclosure.
	So what is it that you would like to say about disclosure?
	Well, the disclosure with a capital D is, to quote Stephen Bassett, who I believe you and I both know, is the formal acknowledgement by the authorities of the world that the human race is being interacted with by an extraterrestrial civilization or an extraterrestrial intelligence.
	Now, this is a contentious subject.
	I mean, it dates back to things such as the Roswell incident and other events where it appears that decisive physical evidence In other words, the Roswell incident involved the crashing of some kind of artefact from an extraterrestrial civilisation, and the covert salvaging of that particular object.
	Obviously, if that is the case, then we are in no doubt that there is something out there.
	We are not alone in this universe.
	And that there was something out there that is interacting with us.
	It's not just aliens on distant planets, which we might be able to contact with a radio telescope.
	They're actually here.
	Now, if that is a fact, it's a fact that's been kept from us because we're told effectively by the authorities, the way they portray the whole subject, that we are essentially a tiny little oasis of life in an infinite cosmic desert.
	Why do they want to keep that secret from us?
	Why would they want us to see things that way?
	Why is it so important to them that we perceive ourselves that way?
	There's many different reasons.
	Disclosure essentially is a change in those situations where that policy is revoked in favour of another one, where there's a frank acknowledgement by the leaders of the world, the political leaders of the world, that we are in fact not alone.
	It's something I've thought a lot about and I've talked to Steve about it a lot.
	Steve Bassett, I was quite enthralled actually when I saw him for the first time and he talked about his own work.
	I'm kind of, I think I disagree with him on some points and this disagreement does come out in the pages of the book that I've written because it was actually Steve who gave me the idea for the book.
	Steve was on a radio show, I can't remember which one it was actually, but he said He said he would like it if somebody wrote a story, an imaginary fictional story about the world, how the world would be in an alternative historical setting if the truth embargo had never happened.
	And for him that means that on the 8th of July 1947 the government did not publish their weather balloon story and they kept a fly disc story.
	So we knew from that moment on we were not alone.
	How different would the world be compared to the one we have now?
	And he said, I don't think I could write that book, but I hope somebody does.
	And so I wrote Steve, and I said, look, Steve, I'm a writer of fiction.
	I've written several books before.
	I've written some short stories.
	I'll do it.
	I'll write this story.
	And he said, great.
	He was very encouraging.
	So I got to work, and hence, Roswell Rising was born, and it's three sequels.
	And of course, I disagree with some of the things Steve says, and this obviously has influenced me, but I was inspired by Stephen Bassett.
	To write the story in the first place.
	So he gave me the idea.
	Well, that's actually very fun.
	I know Stephen and have attended his, well, very famous, the press, I guess at the Press Club in Washington, D.C., the Disclosure sort of conference.
	And yeah, the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure.
	That's the name of it.
	And I was there interviewing a lot of the so-called witnesses as witnesses.
	You know, it was going on and it's interesting because I had run into Steven on the plane and he basically told me he wouldn't allow any of my witnesses into the conference because he felt they were too advanced.
	He said, you know, maybe next time in essence.
	And as it happened, what is funny or ended up to be funny to me is that The panel was already up to speed by really not the first day, maybe, but by noon the second day.
	It was evident that they were beginning to ask the kind of questions that relate to the type of witnesses I have and that they were going way beyond where Stephen expected them to be, so to speak.
	Getting up to speed very quickly, in other words.
	So in terms of that, Like the conception and understanding that we already have laid the groundwork or you could even say Also, the dark side, through the motion picture industry, television industry, has really set the scene.
	None of this is going to come to a shock, I don't believe, except for people that are incredibly in the dark themselves, you know.
	And I think it's really hard to be part of a popular culture today and see the various movies, X-Men, Matrix, etc., and not be to some degree prepared for That we are not alone in the universe or multiverses, right?
	Well, there's certainly a lot of...
	The idea of aliens and extraterrestrials is absolutely endemic in our culture.
	I mean, all the most...
	I think almost all the most popular 10 or 20 films that have ever been made have this theme in them.
	And there's all kinds of alien invasion movies, which vary an awful lot in technical quality and intellectual content.
	But they all give out the same idea that at some point some spacecraft will turn up, and it'll be unmistakable, they'll land on the White House lawn or some other way, and everyone can see them.
	And they'll either step outside and say, take me to your leader, or they'll try to blow the hell out of us, or something like that will happen.
	So, I mean, if it did turn up, there'd be this sense that people would maybe remember the movies that happened, and in a sense they The right mental cogs would already be placed so that the gears could engage.
	Sure.
	On the other hand, I think it would still be a shock for people that it was real.
	I mean, to have it acknowledged by, I mean, not just by cinema or even by our own thoughts and feelings, but by that big Freudian father figure in Washington or in Westminster, I think it would be a different matter.
	That's an interesting way of looking at it.
	Well, so is there a position that you take in your book in particular?
	The book basically is a story of the three trilogies covered the years 1947 to 1979 in a world where disclosure took place in 1947.
	And in the book, the actual path to what Steve calls disclosure is He's a lot more tortuous and convoluted than the one he envisages.
	And I think Richard Dolan, I think, has a better understanding of this than Steve Bass said.
	Much as I respect Steve, and I like him, and I support what he's doing, I think he takes a somewhat simplistic view of this.
	He says, it would take 20 seconds.
	The president stands up and he says, we're not alone and that's it.
	And then I think Steve sees the rest kind of as everything else would fall into place quite...
	Simply.
	I mean, if I'm misjudging him or misunderstanding him, then I apologize.
	But that's the impression I get from what Steve says.
	However, I believe that it would actually be quite a...
	It would be enormously upheaval.
	It would be a hugely revolutionary situation for various different reasons.
	Firstly, we would have to come to terms with the fact that we are actually not this tiny little ball of life, little pale blue dot, as Carl Sagan called it.
	We are...
	Just one little village in a living universe, one tiny little speck in a living universe.
	And we'd have to deal with that.
	We'd also have to deal with, along with the secret that had been kept to us, from us, there'd be the fact that the secret had been kept at all.
	So we would have to ask the government, you know, why did you not tell us this at the start?
	And when you come into the energy issue, that is the technology, the secret space program, The salvaged material from this decisive evidence that I've talked about would have been studied in secret laboratories such as Area 51 and other places and it's possible that they have worked out how the power plants and propulsion systems of these craft operate and has possibly managed to reproduce them, in which case Why aren't we using them?
	Because these craft are not running on Texaco and they do four-star.
	They have a far more sophisticated propulsion plant and a power system.
	And it's usually, I think, involving some sort of control of gravity, some sort of control of zero-point energy.
	If that's the case, then why are we using fossil fuels?
	Why are we getting electricity bills which half the people in the world can't afford?
	And indeed, in many, many places, even in the most wealthy countries, people are freezing in winter because they can't afford them.
	Why is this all this environmental destruction when we have the ability to grow farms in the desert and things like that?
	Why are we polluting the atmosphere with fumes from fossil fuels?
	Every single question that I've listed will be going through the minds of the people who are watching that disclosure speech on TV and the effect that will have on our society and culture will be enormous.
	I think this is what the The powers that be, the politicians, the political systems we have in the world today, do they really have the capacity to absorb a revelation of that magnitude?
	You see the scandals that go on about MPs' expenses and things like that, the congressman misusing his car and things like this.
	These things generate newspaper headlines, and then they're supposed to come forward and say actually they're aliens.
	Well, I think, you know, newspaper headlines like that are actually...
	There's a line here.
	Are actually...
	Newspaper headlines are really, you know, there to distract people and to basically disinfo them, in essence, and give them preoccupations.
	You know, obsession with various celebrities and so on.
	And I think that all of that would go by the wayside, obviously, if it was obvious that we were part of many worlds, as is obvious to me and certainly many of my witnesses.
	So it is interesting to think of it from the standpoint of If you want to call Joe public, but I have a very high estimation of certainly the youth and the fact that they've been brought up on various sci-fi movies, etc.
	And I think that it's very hard not to acknowledge that if you even have any concept of the size of space in the universe, scientists have said there are They've even come across hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands, of Earth-like planets.
	That alone should trigger the mind.
	And I think a lot of these kinds of people do follow so-called scientists who may or may not really know what's going on.
	So, yeah, I mean, it is an interesting question.
	So...
	Are you saying, in essence, that the reason you wrote your book, which is fiction, right?
	Is it fiction based on fact?
	Would that be...
	Yes, it's allegorical fiction.
	All right, so was it because you wanted to discuss in a certain way what is, in essence, disclosure from a certain viewpoint?
	Yeah, I wanted to essentially explore the possibility What would happen?
	I want to just think about what would happen and write about a fictional scenario in which it did happen.
	So in your book, that being the case, is it positive?
	Because we've got lots of X-Men movies.
	There's even a series right now I just noticed on Hulu about having special powers and all of this and how there are legislations.
	They always show certain legislations where there's almost a prejudice in the people and these people are considered dangerous to humanity and so on and so forth.
	Did you go down that road or do you go down a different road?
	I did explore the idea that how humans would interact with extraterrestrials, what they would think about the actual beings and things like this.
	I think that the point I wanted to make was if there was going to be some kind of transformation, what would it be like?
	And how would people cope with it?
	And how would they get through it?
	What would they discover about the world they lived in and the people they were?
	And it turns out that The disclosure issue in the series of the books actually is enormously revelatory because so much more is discovered about the nature of the state and about the people who are in control of the planet.
	Because, of course, as you were saying, the headlines are designed to distract.
	There's essentially disinformation.
	Keep people busy, busy, busy.
	Their minds busy with matters of no real importance, aside weapons for a quiet war set.
	In that situation, an injection of truth would be so anathema to the world that it appears to be in our world that it would be a massive cognitive dissonance.
	This is not to say, I mean, as you say, I don't underestimate people.
	And indeed, the book is not melancholy.
	It's not pessimistic.
	I believe I've written an optimistic story.
	And things do work out.
	I don't want to put spoilers in, but we do come through.
	Okay, well...
	For that, you know, purpose, can you also discuss, and it's interesting, there's a, let's see, there's a researcher who has also written a book kind of with that purpose in mind, but it sounds like he went down a different road than you did.
	And he has actually disappeared, and his name's gonna come to me soon.
	But at any rate, what I wanted to ask you is, do you take into account What we call positive and negative ETs, so to speak.
	That scenario.
	Yeah.
	To be honest, the actual nature of the ETs, I don't go into great details of that.
	I do actually...
	The actual ETs themselves, I don't really explore.
	Of course, there are other bodies, the Roswell bodies and things like that.
	But I do explore their effects, the effects they have in their interaction with humans.
	And this would be Things such as the contact experience, the animal mutilations, all kinds of things where they sometimes interfere with weapons systems and things like this, as Captain Bob Salas has discussed.
	These are the places I go, really.
	That's where I focus the book on, although there is some discussion of the nature of the aliens themselves, where they come from, what they're like, and things like this, because these are obvious questions that are going to come into everyone's head, so I have to discuss those.
	Sure.
	Okay, well, you say it's a three-part trilogy, right?
	So is the first book out, and then you're working on the other two, or are there more than one book out?
	All three are currently available.
	Roswald Deemed, Humanity After Disclosure, the last in the trilogy, was released in December of this year, of last year, so they're all available now.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, good to know.
	We've got the links, by the way, on my website, projecthamelot.tv, so you can go there and find the links both for the Brits, British Amazon, and also the American Amazon.
	But it is not available as what you call a Kindle or any of that stuff, right?
	Not currently, no.
	I mean, several people have badgered me about that and said, well, you bring it out as an e-book.
	And That's something I would like to do.
	I mean, it's a question of finding the time because at the moment I'm revising the first two books to try and make some corrections and things like this.
	Along with doing the blog and everything, I'm doing my own live.
	Like yourself, I travel around to various conferences and I speak at conferences.
	I'm actually, tomorrow morning at five o'clock in the morning, I'm getting up to go to Newcastle in the north of England to do a live show there.
	So I'm trying to fit it in with everything else.
	Oh, right.
	Absolutely.
	Well, uh, I understand the saga.
	It's difficult, but I do hope you do sort of get around to getting it out on Kindle because I think that always helps a lot.
	And I certainly, that's how I read most of the books I get hold of.
	So it's just too hard to, you know, especially if you travel at all, lug books around by hand.
	So it's just not even a question.
	But now in terms of You wrote those books, so that sounds like you said you were working since, when did you say how long?
	I started in 2015.
	2015, okay.
	And we're in 2019, so about four years of work.
	That sounds like a lot of work into something.
	So is there a culmination?
	Is there anything that, a big sort of things that you came to surprising Revelations that you might have had along the way?
	I'm quite surprised because I started to envisage the world as it would have been.
	I realized that there will be certain differences in terms of the geopolitics of the time as the result.
	For example, there is a backlash from the powers that be.
	When the first wave of disclosure begins, there's an attempt to suppress it.
	There's all kinds of tricks they try and pull to try and nullify the original disclosure of 1947 and to turn people against the aliens, to make people believe that extraterrestrials are evil.
	I realized that the Cold War, for example, would be very different.
	It would not be as long as the Cold War has existed in our world.
	There would also be a very, very different border between the two sides in the Cold War, for example, Ireland, I think, a lot of the first book, Roswell Rising, takes place in Ireland because Ireland in this particular world setting plays a very, very different role and a much more important role than it does in the current world, in a geopolitical sense.
	So all kinds of changes like that I realised would come into it.
	That's not what I wrote the book when I started writing.
	I didn't intend that.
	I'm not the sort of writer who tends to plant too much out in a head.
	I tend to jump in and see where it goes and let my subconscious work out plots and things like that.
	I often make changes and things like this as well, but I tend to let it flow naturally, really.
	Oh, I see.
	So, do you feel that you got some kind of guidance in writing your book?
	Did you, you know, because I know you're quite aware of the psychic realms.
	I don't know if you consider yourself a psychic.
	I'm not aware of I don't, myself, have any specific psychic powers.
	I do believe in channeling, and channeling from beyond your own mind, and that this can happen subconsciously and sometimes without our knowledge.
	And yes, indeed, I do believe that sometimes when I was sitting down and writing, I would go into a state of mind where I felt that I was being guided by my views, as they say.
	And this has happened several times when I'm writing.
	In fact, when I wrote my first novel, Heaven's Land, which was way back in the late 90s, I remember sitting down once and writing and I wrote about 4,000 words in just a few hours and they were perfect.
	It was perfect in every way.
	There's a scene in the book actually which is pretty much exactly as I wrote it.
	I didn't have to change a single thing.
	And it came out so quickly and so perfect that it was virtually effortless.
	The words were just coming into my head and they were coming out onto the page.
	And I thought, my goodness, what's happening to me?
	This does often happen to me when I'm in one of these creative spurts.
	Oh, right.
	I do believe we are inspired divinely, if you like.
	Okay.
	Now, the sort of $64,000 question, or whatever you want to call it, is actually, are the aliens positive or negative or a mixture?
	I mean, this is something I actually don't go into in detail, I must admit.
	I'm well aware of the real extraterrestrials.
	The nature of the real extraterrestrials, I think, can be discerned through their behaviour, and they exhibit a wide variety of behaviour, and they seem to have a lot of different agendas.
	Luckily, I think, there seems to be a minority that seems to intend as actual harm, but some of them do.
	There are many people who experience very joyful and loving experiences with aliens.
	I mean, Mary Roswell, for example, has spoken about the interaction of some of the children, the children who are our witnesses, have with extraterrestrials.
	The majority appear to be, I would say, observing us in a neutral fashion.
	I think that's the best way you can say about what they're Actually intended to.
	Although when it comes to what the ETs are, there were so many of them.
	There was a virtual taxonomy now of different species.
	They're the greys and the Nordics and the mantids and all the other creatures.
	There's so many of them and these species are so varied, the behaviours they exhibit.
	For example, a human being is just one species on one planet.
	They're capable of a wide variety of different behaviours and different attitudes.
	Some are malevolent, some are benevolent and things like that.
	So it should be no surprise that we see the same thing in the universe beyond the Earth.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so is there any particular race of ETs that dominates your book?
	The grey aliens that appear in the Roswell crash, that's the aliens that I describe in physical detail the most.
	Although there are extraterrestrials that appear in other pages of the book.
	It's a bit of a spoiler, actually, but the reptilians come into it, the large reptilian creatures as well, which are mostly malevolent.
	I mean, hashtag not all reptilians, because I know that they're not all like that, but these reptilian creatures do appear in the book as well, and they play a major role.
	Okay, now have you heard that actually gray aliens were not the aliens that landed at Roswell?
	That the kind of alien that landed at Roswell is actually a little bit different than a gray?
	Actually quite a bit different.
	There's several stories that have come out.
	I mean, which witness were you referring to specifically?
	Actually, I don't remember, you know, and I'm not a huge expert or have not done a huge amount of investigation into Roswell.
	For some reason, it didn't interest me too terribly much, but I can say that I had just heard this somewhere.
	And my understanding, I don't know, just seemed to remember.
	I remember very clearly kind of the way they look, the ones that are supposed to have landed at Roswell.
	And they had these sort of roundish heads, and they're small.
	But, you know, maybe it's just what I remember.
	So I don't know that for a fact, but I have heard that.
	I actually have heard that.
	So, there are greys, and there are classifications.
	So, there are many, many forms of grey aliens, as you may know, and some are actually biological programmable entities, as I think Barry used to call them.
	But, yeah, so I just wondered if you'd ever heard that.
	Yeah, I have indeed.
	In fact, Our mutual friend, Miles Johnston, has explored this in great detail and has done many videos on this subject.
	And it appears that there are some theorists that say that these grey aliens are actually, in a sense, creations, some say they're creations of laboratories on Earth, some say they're creations of other species of extraterrestrial.
	There are some situations where more than one species is seen at the same contact experience.
	Sure.
	And in those situations, it's often the case that the greys sometimes appear to be lower in rank than other species.
	So there's larger, different species that appear to be ordering the greys around.
	That's right.
	Well, the greys, you know, I mean, just a fact is that they are run by the reptilians and they basically are under orders from the reptilians.
	But they do accompany even, it is said at times, they're Nordic beings, so-called Nordic beings, as you may know.
	And certainly...
	Are doing the bidding of both the Dracos and the Reptilians.
	My understanding is they really report to anyone who wants to order them around, in essence, a lot of them.
	But they are, as we say, you know, not to put them all in the same bucket because there are many different races of greys.
	And there are also some very large ones.
	We had a witness, Mr.
	X, who talked about the oranges, the tall oranges.
	You may have heard of them.
	Yeah, and Whitney Streeper I think encountered some creatures a bit like that.
	Right.
	So, yeah, there are lots of different kinds of beings out there, and it's just almost endless.
	Now, I don't know if you know this, but inadvertently on a video, we filmed some aliens that appear to be greys or a form of greys, and they were in the background of when I was just like I'm talking to you on Skype.
	It would be as if they were in the room with you, with a guy named John Edmonds.
	And I wondered if you ever saw that video that we put out.
	I tried to watch as many of your videos as I can, and I haven't got through all of them, I'm afraid.
	But John Edmonds, I don't think I've seen that one, no.
	Okay, yeah.
	What happened was we did inadvertently film them in the background while on a live show.
	And...
	Then I excerpted it and we had people that helped us zoom in on them as well and actually had the footage has been used on television on some show.
	I'm actually going to grab it really quickly here and see if I can get it on here.
	And I'm going to give you the link just because what happened was the audience pitched in and they saw them.
	In fact, it might have been the audience that even told me about it.
	You know, because they are watching the video, obviously.
	And so this is the kind of thing that they would notice.
	And I don't think it's gotten as much notice as it could.
	Obviously, you don't know about it.
	But, you know, people always want to say, have you seen aliens that were filmed?
	Right?
	And they were there in the room.
	He lived with what appears to be a portal.
	And what I'm going to do is just...
	Put this on the screen here.
	I don't know if I can make it busy.
	You'll see it later is basically how we'd have to do this.
	But I think it's worthwhile for me to share this while we're just in this discussion.
	You sometimes get situations where strange beings will appear.
	They'll appear on film.
	Indeed, UFOs as well, flying saucers and other craft, they will actually appear on film, on TV. And still photographs and very often some people don't see them at the time necessarily, but they appear later on.
	I mean, I thought I saw something strange behind your I don't know if I can get this to show up on screen properly, this video.
	But anyway, they are in the background.
	There's a head here, if you're watching this right now.
	I can't see it yet.
	Yeah, I know you can't.
	But I just thought for fun.
	Sure, I'll check it out.
	What's the rest of it?
	I'm interested in things like this.
	Do you know Ellis Taylor took a photograph of Jason Andrews, who's a guy who's had multiple contacts, all his life.
	And in the picture, you can see A grey-like creature behind him.
	It comes out in the photograph.
	It's sort of translucent grey alien, and it's right behind him.
	Right.
	Yeah, okay, very good.
	So these things have cropped up.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	They don't know that there has been film of these beings, and some people can see it.
	So anyway, you can go to that link.
	Did I put it in the chat?
	I thought I did.
	Maybe I'll just do it again.
	So, anyone who wants to watch, this is a very excerpted out of a much longer interview, and then we just focused on the greys.
	And then we also had a page with some still photographs so people could see.
	There actually was two.
	One was taller than the other.
	Now, the question was at the time whether or not these were holograms that were projected by, because he lived right on top of what is in essence a, well, it's the Ashtar Command And they share that base with the military.
	So he was being messed with on many levels.
	And both, you know, having tons of visitations through the portals that were in the area.
	I'm not in touch with him at the time, so I don't know what has happened.
	But it is interesting.
	And these, yeah, they don't look like your typical Grace.
	They're actually kind of smaller, I think, in some ways.
	And More frail looking.
	But at any rate they're on that video.
	So as far as where you go with your research and what you've discovered, can you talk about some particular areas of investigations that you've done over the years Because assuming that you didn't just start out of the blue writing a fiction book, I think you've been an investigator of really mysteries for many years, isn't that right?
	Yes, the three books of the Roswell Trilogy in a sense are a lot of the knowledge that we've gathered over the years has been poured into these books and I wouldn't have been able to write those books without that background.
	I've come across some awfully strange things myself and it's not necessarily I'm The person who investigates directly, but very often I'll team up with other people that do, and I'll make various documentaries and do interviews in a similar way to you do, you yourself do.
	Okay.
	So one of the things that I came across was I believe that there was a Roswell-type event near Nottingham in England in 1987.
	Oh, really?
	I'm pretty certain of that.
	I mean, it's one that was not really very well known, certainly It was not really appreciated in the form that it was until I got involved with it and looked into it and was helped by several local researchers, Nigel Crowley and Daniel Bostock.
	The signs are there in a sense that these two guys were witnesses of this event.
	There's some news reports, there's documentary evidence and there's also forensic evidence on the ground in the form of some damage done to some woodland.
	Also an area near a local stately home which is sealed off where it appears there was some kind of impact on a field there.
	So there were two impact sites.
	So was this a craft then?
	Yeah.
	It was something a craft or object of some kind that was salvaged by the government in secret.
	The area around it was sealed off in a similar way to the Roswell incident.
	There was no news story about sealing off and everything like that but I've spoken to several people including another man came forward and said that he remembers the traffic jams that were caused by the main road between Nottingham and the town of Mansfield nearby.
	There's a large road that goes through there which was sealed off so the traffic had to be diverted around smaller roads which led to hours and hours of traffic jams because they were just little roads going around villages.
	Things like that.
	So I believe something very strange happened in that area.
	So was it in the news or not?
	It was mentioned in the news.
	What was mentioned in the news was there was a loud explosion in the air plus bright lights and damage to several houses and electricity supplies and things like that.
	There was no mention in the news of any crashes or anything like that.
	This was local witnesses who got involved and it was actually published in several magazines in the 1990s.
	And I ended up making, doing some interviews with that.
	So what would it be called?
	Does it have a name?
	You know how these things have a name?
	Nottingham Incident?
	Is that, would somebody do a search on that name?
	Do you know?
	It was originally called the Mansfield Incident.
	I call it the Nottingham Show Roswell.
	Because it was the story of Roswell in Nottinghamshire, as in the county.
	I see.
	But was it called, just because I'm going to look it up right now while you were talking here.
	Nottingham Shire.
	Okay.
	That's the county rep of Nottingham.
	And Roswell.
	You'll find some material, including some videos that I made.
	I made them quite a while ago.
	They're not very good quality videos, but they get the information out.
	Okay.
	And was this...
	Yeah, I see you've got Notts Roswell 2.
	Yeah, I think that's the most important one.
	Oh, all right.
	Fair enough.
	But I've done several live talks about it as well.
	Okay, well, for people that are interested, they can pursue this then.
	So that's kind of interesting.
	I'm just going to put this on the screen just to sort of show people what it looks like it is about.
	Yeah, and this is your channel, it looks like.
	Is that right?
	Or your website?
	Oh, my YouTube channel, yes, Ben the JR Porter, yes.
	Okay, yeah, I think this actually looks like a website.
	It's H-P-A-N-W-O-T-V. That's it, yes, H-P-A-N-W-O-T-V. Right, okay, cool.
	So we put that up for you and just to give you some coverage there.
	So you looked into this particular incident.
	What was it that interested you about it?
	Was the cover-up or something specific about what happened?
	It was really the same reasons that made me interested in the Roswell incident.
	It was the presence of the extraterrestrial interaction, which Batsy talks about, plus the fact that this has been kept from us.
	This information has been deliberately suppressed by the authorities on the Earth.
	These two things interest me.
	It's similar to the Helen Duncan case.
	You say there was interaction with aliens.
	What kind of interaction?
	On this particular case, I don't know.
	All I know is that there was an impact on an object, a large object, that started a fire.
	I mean, in the Thieves Wood site, which is one of the impact sites, there was a large fire that actually started off.
	And also, on the other impact site, there seems to have had some kind of permanent effect on the ground.
	There was some discoloration of the soil, things like that.
	You can see it very clearly from an aerial photograph.
	Right.
	Okay, well, so can you explain then what, I mean, you know, in very brief terms, obviously, if you brought in some investigators and they went into it, and now I'm assuming, did you make this film or did someone else?
	I made it.
	Oh, you made the film.
	Okay, so did you go to the site, film there, that sort of thing?
	I went with the two researchers and I went to the actual locations.
	We did a tour of the area and they showed me the locations.
	Okay.
	One of them you can't reach.
	One of them is on private land and it's very carefully patrolled by security.
	There was actually some security guards monitoring us as we were approaching the area.
	But the Thieves Wood site, that's another area.
	That's open to the public.
	Anyone can go in there.
	Okay.
	Did you ever know...
	See, I think his name is...
	Is it Tim Cooper?
	No.
	Timothy Good?
	Timothy Good, yeah.
	Because you're British, just wondering and interested in this field, had you ever tried to talk to him?
	I have spoken to him, yeah.
	I've emailed him several things.
	I think I did send him an email about this case.
	He didn't get back to me.
	He didn't reply.
	But I have spoken to him, and I've met him a few times.
	Right.
	So have you read his books?
	He's got some very excellent books out there.
	Yes, I've read...
	Well, not all of them, because he's written about 30 of them.
	But I think I've read about 10 or 15 of them, and they're fascinating.
	Yeah, I recently invited him to actually speak at my conference, which you're well aware of.
	And I was surprised because I actually got a reply this time, which in the past I have not even gotten a reply.
	Maybe the emails never got there.
	I never know.
	But this time I got a reply from someone who I guess represents him or works with him saying that he's retired from the UFO field.
	I thought that was very interesting.
	I suppose he's quite elderly.
	I mean, I think he's in his late 70s now.
	Right.
	But I mean, he did publish a book recently called Earth, an Alien Enterprise.
	Yes, I've read that.
	It's a very good book.
	That's his most recent book.
	Yes, it was excellent.
	He was only two years old.
	You know, I have a theory.
	I don't know if you've actually...
	You speak in England.
	I don't know.
	Have you ever spoken in America?
	No, I've never visited the United States.
	I've spoken in Denmark, not anywhere else apart from Britain.
	Okay, well, when he last came to the US, that's where I interviewed him, this is several years ago, and he went on stage after our interview and halfway through his presentation all the audio went out of whack.
	As did the sort of presentation, the video, whatever.
	In essence, nothing worked.
	And he, instead of sort of hanging in there and working it through, he actually...
	He seemed to get very aggravated and just basically closed down his presentation halfway through, which is a tragedy.
	But what was significant about it in my mind, and I'd like to know about your thoughts on this, he was actually at the time talking about the not-so-positive ETs and the evidence for that.
	And I don't think that was a coincidence that he was shut down.
	And so I wonder if that actually put him into kind of a headspace where he decided he didn't want to try to push the envelope any further.
	Any thoughts on that?
	I really couldn't say.
	I mean, it's true that the not-so-positive ETs, as you call them, I mean, obviously it's an alarming situation when there are not-so-positive ETs that may intend us harm or may be doing us harm.
	And I know Timothy has covered this before.
	He has brought this subject up.
	He's not scared to write about them in his books.
	Right.
	But what could happen there could be, again, there could be some kind of electronic warfare activity.
	You may have destroyed the electronics that you were using.
	The government does have the ability to do that.
	Sure.
	Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
	Well, you know, they brought in other speakers after that and their sound was fine and it was their presentations.
	So it was clearly an attack on what he was saying and an effort to stop him.
	There's no doubt about that.
	But I was just sort of surprised.
	Maybe we don't know what went on behind the scenes and we don't know what he might have endured after that.
	But it is interesting because I think this last book that he...
	Kind of, if you want to say that the gloves were off.
	I haven't read his other books, actually.
	I just read this one.
	And I did get the feeling that he was really getting, you know, in deep on this particular book.
	I don't know if you got a chance to read it.
	Yeah, I did.
	I found that there was some I can't remember any of the individual cases.
	I mean, all his books have quite a similar format.
	Yes.
	Yeah, he goes, I mean, it's a litany of cases, really.
	So it's understandable if you can't, you know, kind of recall.
	He talks about the Amartya case, the French case from Italy.
	Yes, very, very much.
	Interesting.
	And there's a photograph.
	I mean, I first saw it.
	Paola Harris was the first person, I think, who published it.
	But there's a photograph of one of these aliens who looks very human, but you can see quite clearly he's extremely tall.
	This is an odd case from Italy which included beings that appear to have the ability to not only to create underground tunnels and things like that, but to close them up afterwards without having to fill them in or anything like that.
	They could just press a button and the walls would go down and then the ground would return, things like this.
	It was quite extraordinary, I remember.
	Yes, so he has a lot of very good stuff in there.
	I was disappointed to hear that he sort of closed down his operations, so to speak.
	Yeah, I suppose like Stanton Friedman.
	Stanton Friedman's retired now.
	Maybe they just get to an age where they just want to spend the rest of their life It was something a little bit less challenging.
	To be honest, both those guys have more than put in the hours, haven't they, over the years?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, whatever, yeah.
	I mean, one can't judge, certainly, but it is significant, I think.
	So, in terms of, like I say, your investigations, you brought up the Nottingham situation.
	Have you looked into, for example, your, you know, This front and center Rendlesham case, it's quite convoluted as well nowadays.
	And I think I mentioned that I tried to get Larry Warren onto my conference as a speaker and he in the end was not available.
	I guess he's shooting a documentary and for whatever reason couldn't come by the weekend.
	I am trying to bring him on my show, if that can never sort of materialize, but he's become, from what I understand, a very controversial character.
	And I wondered, you know, Timothy Goode actually was a witness to at least part of the Rendlesham situation.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	And he did mention it.
	I think he mentioned it in my interview, but I think it's also in at least one of his books.
	So I wondered if you, do you live anywhere near the Rendlesham?
	Have you met those, the principal people that were involved?
	Done any investigation around that?
	Oh, I have, yes.
	Larry Warren's actually a good friend of mine.
	Oh, very good.
	And so are the other people involved in the Capel Green documentary, which I'm really looking forward to.
	I'm not actually directly involved with the film, but I'm really, really keen on seeing it.
	Because I think Larry's had quite a stressful time at the moment because there's a lot of controversy, as you said, convolution, controversy associated with the Randolphson Forest incident at the moment, which seems to have coalesced around him.
	And there's a massive amount of material on the internet which is attempting to discredit his story.
	I believe that it's false.
	The information that's come out in the last few years, which is discrediting him, is false.
	It can be traced back to a person simply who is a former friend of his, actually, and with whom he had a very, very bitter, personal, very acrimonious split, which is a shame because, I mean, I have splits with people.
	I have friends that I fall out with, but I try to keep it personal with them.
	I don't.
	I just keep it between the two of us.
	In this case, the conflict has spread out.
	It's burst its banks and spread out into the rest of the ufology.
	And it's involved a lot of accusations that have been made against him, which are frankly fabricated.
	Well, I think that's very good to hear.
	Thank you for saying that.
	So you basically think...
	That the attacks on Larry Warren are unfounded, and you've looked into it, I assume, and you believe that he's being...
	Well, it's always interesting.
	I get psychic downloads, if you want to call it that, whatever you want to call it, where I just get given a name and basically told to pursue that information, and so he came into my...
	Sort of awareness.
	I've certainly always been aware of him as being part of the story.
	I don't recall whether I've ever met him in person, but I kind of basically got the message that he needs to be given a chance to speak.
	So you are familiar with the documentary he's involved in, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, I know some of the production team.
	I know Larry, of course.
	It's going to be very interesting, actually, because It's directed by a man called Dion Johnson, and it's got a good budget behind it.
	It's going to be quite sophisticated.
	There's lots of new evidence going to come to light, including some new witness statements, some new documents, and indeed some new interviews with Larry Warren, which include a top-level polygraph examination, which he passes.
	He passes the flying colours, and that's actually something which has been published now.
	That information has been published, and the details are going to be in the film.
	Excellent.
	So we're hoping we can maybe shed some clarity on the situation, and maybe then we can get back to what we're supposed to be doing, which is investigating UFOs, because a lot of people had to put that on the back burner to deal with this situation.
	And I myself, having made a statement and actually got involved and expressed an opinion on this subject, have been the targets of similar kinds of abuse.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah, it gets very vitriolic, actually.
	Oh, yeah.
	Believe me, I know.
	I get the same thing.
	What, in terms of maybe then we could have you and him on my show, maybe that would give him a little bit of, you know, sort of support.
	I'd be glad to.
	Yeah, so if you could just mention to him, because I am in touch with someone who works with him, and I'm sure she's going to try to get him, but, you know, if he's right in the middle, I know how productions are.
	You know, you're just inundated, and it's very understandable, but like I say, I would Love to have him on the show and give him a chance to talk, say his piece and whatnot.
	And so it'd be great.
	And now that I know that you've been involved in the whole thing, that would be great.
	So, yeah, now, okay, just if you can, I don't know if you want to not go into this too detailed, but just to say, the Rendlesham situation is Are you of the opinion that it was several crafts over several days, as I've heard?
	It appears there were at least two separate incidents there within, I think, 48 to 36 hours.
	This was at the Christmas of 1980.
	Now, there's a lot of, as we discussed, there's an awful lot of contention over what those involve, but all the best evidence seems to point to An event in which a strange object appeared in the woods and was observed by Lieutenant Colonel Hull, the base's deputy commander.
	And also an incident that might...
	I'm not sure whether it was the same night or a different night, which was observed by Larry Warren and several other people, Adrian Bustenza, Steve Longero, people like that.
	There was a massive alert on the base.
	The security police were sent out into the woods fully armed to investigate, and strange things were seen.
	Lights, objects, and...
	It was reported floating entities, aliens.
	It's a very, very, I think it was a major UFO event that took place there.
	And not least because not only is the event itself, it's the fact that the research into it began straight away.
	And a lot of more evidence that would normally happen was released.
	Thanks partly to Larry Warren, partly to Brenda Butler, Dock Street, Jane Randalls, Georgina Bruni.
	So it's a very, very important case indeed.
	Okay, and just one question.
	Did you think that the Peter Robbins, he wrote his book with someone, left at Eastgate.
	He wrote it with Larry, yes.
	Did you feel that that was on the money at the time, or was there things left out?
	What did you think about that book?
	Because I read it many years ago, and I've interviewed Peter Robbins.
	I believe, having read that book and talking to Larry, I think it is correct.
	All right.
	Obviously the book is correct, and it includes an awful lot of material.
	It was a few years ago I read it, but the basic story is there, plus the aftermath of Larry's therapy he had with Bud Hopkins and things like that.
	It's very, very convincing.
	Peter has since changed his mind over that book, which is a shame.
	I think he's making a mistake.
	Right.
	Yeah, isn't that strange how people do that sometimes?
	Yeah, I think it's disappointing, I must say.
	I've said that publicly before, so it's not new.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms of the whole scene in Britain, you know, Britain is kind of a hot spot for things, especially things UFO and related.
	I don't know if you heard, and I'm actually not remembering the name of the incident, but it happened in Wales, the Triangle, that I had last conference.
	I had CAS. Do you remember CAS? Yeah, and do you remember what the incident was called?
	Because I don't know why.
	Yes, it was the Pentorf incident.
	I actually made a documentary film about it on my channel.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah, and with Gary Jones, who's the principal field researcher.
	Right.
	I think it's very significant.
	I think it's very similar in many ways to the Nottinghamshire case and several other cases like that.
	I've recently gone back there.
	I've made a third instalment in the documentary and I've spoken to another witness who's backing up Kaz Clark's story.
	And he doesn't want to go public yet, but I'm hoping maybe at some point he'll be able to.
	Wonderful.
	But I spoke to him for about half an hour and very interesting indeed.
	The other similarities to the Nottingham's case is what happened at the nearby forest, Smilog Woods.
	Again, something came down in the woods.
	There was an impact.
	There was damage to trees.
	A whole load of trees were cleared.
	The area was sealed off by the government.
	Military helicopters were around.
	A lot of rubbish was cleared up from the local parkland as well.
	Unfortunately, it's an area for flight tipping.
	It's quite possible.
	So there's a massive amount of rubbish, old cars, old bikes, and things like that.
	It's a fascinating story, and I did have them on my show.
	I actually invited her back, but they've been putting me off.
	I don't know if she's a bit nervous coming forward too much or just busy in her life or what's going on, but I'd love to have them come back.
	Mm-hmm.
	That particular incident and the cover-up, you know, in some cases like these, the cover-up is as much or more interesting almost than the actual incident itself.
	Oh, yeah.
	They work so hard to cover it up, and you really have to wonder, you know, you know something very important has happened if they're going to have to work that hard.
	And they brought in troops, and they warned people away, and the whole thing was cornered off.
	You know, Cass mentioned there were people in tents that moved in and they put up tents in the field.
	I went to Pentorf and I visited Pentorf twice now.
	And a lot of people around there have seen this.
	It's not just Cass.
	I spoke to a barmaid in the local pub and she said, We saw the tents.
	We saw the guys wandering around.
	We don't know where they came from.
	We thought they were a film crew filming Doctor Who because Doctor Who was moving in that area.
	But they weren't.
	They thought they weren't the BBC. It was someone else.
	So, yeah, I mean, this is a very, very important case, extremely.
	Yeah, and it's quite recent.
	It's 2017.
	Is it 2017 or 2016?
	2016.
	It's just had its third anniversary.
	So, again, yes, it's...
	This, again, makes it very important because very often there's a long gap between the thing happening and when research is done.
	In the case of Roswell, it was 30 years.
	But in this case, it's happened straight away.
	So that's really, really very unique opportunity.
	Yeah, I would say so.
	Now, did you happen to hear about that there was a field that was, I guess, fenced in and it was actually snowing in the field and outside the area of the field, it wasn't snowing.
	Did you hear about that incident?
	Yes.
	I actually visited the place where this happened, and strangely enough, the grass isn't growing properly there.
	There's a large area.
	It's called the Bald Patch, where there's rushes and there's short grass.
	Now, the short grass seems to be unaffected, but the rushes have all gone.
	They've died off.
	There's several dead gorse bushes.
	But it was reported there was snow, but it was not like normal snow.
	It wasn't cold, so it appeared not to be ice-based.
	It was just falling around them.
	Now, this has happened in other UFO events.
	It's similar to the so-called Angel Hare.
	Which you hear at things such as the Florence event in 1954, the football ground, and many, many other cases like this.
	What it is, I don't know, but it happened directly after the appearance of this strange craft, this enormous triangular or pyramidal shaped object.
	Right.
	Well, it's quite interesting also because there was There appeared to be a battle, a gun battle, you know, going on between British and maybe even American planes and a particular craft.
	Did you hear that?
	Yeah.
	Yes, in fact, what's interesting is that there was a large number of aircraft in the area before the emergence of the object.
	Well, it seemed to have been alerted to it coming down there or something.
	And then it appears there were beams of light being shone at various aircraft.
	And then something came down.
	There was some kind of crash.
	And all kinds of other strange things.
	I mean, some witnesses at the local hospital, the Royal Melbourne Hospital, said they heard gunfire.
	Oh, yeah.
	That is small arms fire, which is very, very strange.
	Now, some researchers have claimed it was just a military exercise of some kind.
	People who frankly should know better.
	And there's no way that could be the case.
	I mean, I myself, when I was portrait in my hospital, had to get involved with military exercises and there would be, people would know beforehand, everyone would know it was going on.
	The idea would just happen, especially when live ordnance was being detonated.
	This is, there were explosions that shook the entire building.
	Yeah.
	Hospital.
	Now, you can't, Do that because there's people in there who are very sick and any kind of vibration.
	People in the intensive care unit where there's delicate electronics that can't keep people alive.
	You can't just blow things up in the building.
	So that is a cover-up.
	That's back there.
	Get in this cover story and say it was a military exercise and oh yeah it was all planned beforehand.
	But it wasn't planned beforehand otherwise there would be a paper trail predating the actual incident and there was none.
	Kaz and Gary have found this out.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, well, it's very interesting.
	So you've got a documentary on your channel, you say?
	Yes, it's two sequels.
	It's a documentary called The Pentalf UFO. Oh, great.
	And then two updates I've got as well.
	It was a third anniversary event in February, which I went along to.
	All right.
	Well, I'm very glad because I like the way you do documentaries.
	I like your sort of man on the street attitude.
	And so I think they're quite fun.
	So I do recommend those to people.
	So are there any other, I don't know, incidents or things going on now or in the last few years that have really kind of caught your interest but you haven't quite been able to suss out what is afoot?
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, there's lots.
	I mean, I could talk all night about it.
	There's one that happened recently I think is very strange.
	There was a whale, a dead whale turned up in Brazil.
	Now, it wasn't on a beach or anything like that.
	It was lying in the jungle.
	It was 50 feet away from the water's edge.
	It was a 26-foot-long whale.
	Wow.
	And there was talk that they'd been washed in on a flood.
	There was no sign of any flood damage.
	There was no mud.
	It was lying on dry ground.
	And it's also, it's just very, very close to the town of Calares.
	It's on the other side of the river, Amerson.
	I say on the other side, it's about 10 miles away because the river, Amerson is a huge river.
	But Calares is an incident where, I mean, in 1977 there was a massive UFO flap involving some very, very scary incidents where people had beams of light fired at them, strange entities appeared in people's houses.
	The local doctor reports that people had unusual injuries, like scoop marks on their shoulders and things like this.
	They lost blood.
	The Calaris incident was investigated by the government on something called Operation Saucer, which is a bit of a giveaway.
	The name is a bit of a giveaway.
	Exactly.
	So that's interesting.
	Wondering if perhaps the whale is linked to the prior incidents is what you're maybe alluding to?
	Possibly.
	It's very close, obviously it was a long time ago, but it's odd that it's in the same place.
	And again, animals often turn up dead in mysterious circumstances, and even humans sometimes, like in the case of the Yala Pass case in Russia.
	And I wonder how that happened.
	Oh, yeah.
	Russia's very interesting.
	I wonder if, while we're still in the area of South America, really, are you aware, and you must be aware, the Nazca aliens.
	Did you know, you know, I forget, there's a British guy who went there and did a lot of investigation.
	I don't know if you know him.
	Again, name escaping me.
	Graham Hancock?
	No.
	No.
	Are there several people investigating the Nazca lines and things like that?
	No, I mean the Nazca aliens.
	Oh, it was Steve Mara.
	Yeah, it was Steve and Mara.
	I had him on my show, but there was a real shutdown of that story at a certain point.
	But did you follow that story at all?
	Yes.
	This was the strange aliens that were found.
	They were effectively mummies.
	They were like mummies.
	And they were taken, these archaeologists had them.
	But there were two distinct types of balings.
	Yeah, there was a large one which was nicknamed Maria.
	Right.
	And there were some small ones.
	It appears the small ones were fakes.
	Now, there are fake mummies that are created.
	However, the large one appears to have, well, it turns out that there was some modifications made to it.
	But Steve actually said that even though the mummy actually was fabricated, there were some strange features of it that indicated there was something anomalous about it.
	Right.
	Well, my understanding, you know, I don't know if you follow, but there is a remote viewer who's quite good, and he did a remote viewing of the whole thing.
	And he actually, he and a partner, and they've changed their site name several times.
	So at this point, I can't remember it.
	But I can find it if anyone's interested.
	And I did a lot of investigation about this and got in touch with him as well directly.
	I had him on my show several times.
	But at any rate, they did a whole sort of remote viewing of it, which ended up to be a precursor because they published their results before Guy Mtv that got very involved in funding a group to go down there and investigate and so on.
	And it turns out that they saw in their remote viewing exactly what Gaim TV came across.
	So that validates their remote viewing, if you can appreciate that, right?
	To a degree.
	And so what happened was then they actually did remote view what had happened, who the aliens really were, and the background behind it, especially behind Maria.
	And so there was a whole story that went with that.
	Yeah, I just wondered whether, you know, I don't think that Steve and Mira really went down that road that I'm talking about in terms of the Murmo viewers.
	And I also, because I was in direct touch at a certain point with Guyam and Jay Widener led, I think he kind of led the team, the American team that went in there also.
	See, and I have a back channel sort of witness on this who's told me that the real truth will never come out because they're going to, so there is probably a lot of disinfo now.
	There seems to be some odd statements made by a government minister who came on TV and said it was a load of nonsense.
	A lot of people got involved.
	I'm not accusing anybody because the people like Steve and Hayley Masson and these other people, they seem to be genuinely looking for real information.
	Sure.
	But, you know, you can still be misled in that case.
	You buy into whatever you buy into.
	So it is quite fascinating.
	I mean, as a UFO researcher, I think that you would agree that you're kind of vulnerable once you start your research.
	In basically being sort of taken down the garden path, as they say.
	And so you never quite know if what you're getting is absolutely authentic, although you have to be very astute and also a very good, I think, judge of character.
	Isn't that right?
	When you're interviewing witnesses and whatnot.
	You have to be very wary.
	You have to be on your guard against being deceived.
	And Steve, I mean, Steve is someone who's judgmental I trust quite a lot, because he's been doing this for years.
	Sure.
	And he seems to be quite streetwise in that respect.
	Right.
	And so he is a guy, he's not scared to call male cow excrement when he thinks it's there, yet he's open-minded enough to understand genuine cases.
	He comes across as very open-minded about various ideas that I do.
	do.
	He doesn't seem to be shut off from anything that I bring up to him.
	And I've talked to him, I interviewed him myself on my show about this.
	And he's, yeah, so there's something that's happening, whether we'll get to the bottom of it, I don't know, because apparently the mummy has deteriorated quite considerably, it's not been stored properly.
	Things like That's very intentional, I'm sure.
	If it's even true, because, you know, I don't think they will let something like that deteriorate.
	But it does appear that maybe a fake has been put in its place.
	So, in terms of...
	Because you're British, and, you know, if you don't want to comment, it's fine.
	But I'm just curious.
	You know, David Icke, he got banned from Australia in this...
	ridiculous move that actually sets a precedent that's quite scary, if you ask me, on the part of the Australian government.
	For comments he has made about The Zionists, as it happens, and also what went on during Hitler, you know, the war with Hitler and so on.
	So are you familiar with that?
	Do you have any thoughts about that?
	And I don't know if David has been successful.
	I know they were trying to interfere with him doing any conferences, actually, or live events in England as well.
	Do you know the status of any of that?
	Yeah, David, these things seem to come and go.
	They happen to flow like the tide.
	But ever since David started talking about the subjects he's talking about, that is the conspiratorial subjects, from the early 1990s onwards, he's had a massive amount of opposition.
	And the opposition has been very often to call him names and accuse him of saying things he hasn't said.
	And this would be very much along the lines of anti-Semitism, the idea that he is blaming Jews for the New World Order.
	Now, It's a ridiculous situation because David does not blame Jews for the New World Order.
	And indeed, I don't either.
	I've actually made a whole video dealing with this very subject, explaining exactly, trying to unpick this nonsense.
	It's actually called Jews.
	It's a video on my channel.
	Oh, alright.
	Very good.
	And it needs to be done because David's not only been banned from Australia, he was almost banned from Canada a couple of times.
	He's had his book banned in several places.
	He's been attacked by Young fools who actually believe this, what we today call SJWs or anti-fascists.
	And indeed, I went to see his live show in Newcastle a few months ago.
	And we couldn't even know where it was going to be until 24 hours beforehand.
	He kept it secret.
	And it was released to ticket holders 24 hours beforehand.
	Because if he'd released it publicly, the venue would have been intimidated.
	They'd have rude phone calls.
	There would have been a mob of people outside trying to stop us getting in.
	And it's all because they think David Ike hates Jews, and he doesn't.
	He's made this very clear.
	He has no axe to grind in that way whatsoever.
	And I can testify.
	I mean, I've read his book.
	I'm really glad to hear you made a documentary sort of trying to pull that apart, so to speak.
	But it's interesting that they wanted to make an example of him.
	And it is, of course, it's a tragedy.
	And if they actually took the time to read his books, they'd know that that was complete lies.
	Because he, you know, he's got a whole, really, delineation of who the Illuminati are, who the various players are.
	And, you know, it goes all over the map and certainly involves the Queen of England, etc., etc.
	So all of this focus on how many people are killed here In the Nazi, you know, basically World War II. You know, I don't understand why there's such an obsession with how many of what race or what, you know, culture were killed at any given...
	If people were killed, it should be enough.
	In other words, how many...
	You know, thousands or millions, whether you want to talk numbers, I mean, what is that even, what is the significance of one number over another number?
	David does not in any way defend the Nazi regime.
	In fact, he claims it was actually created by the Illuminati, it was actually funded by the Illuminati.
	That indeed says the same about the Soviet Union and indeed the Virginia company that became the United States and things like this.
	And he talks about the Queen, Perhaps the bloodlines It's very much based on the kind of thing Fritz Springer I used to talk about, where he identified the rulers of the world and basically their entire family trees.
	Well, I mean, before anyone else, at least, you know, going back in this sort of era, is Jordan Maxwell.
	And Jordan Maxwell is actually, some people don't know this, brought David Icke and his work to the public.
	So Jordan was there first, at least in this group of people.
	And then, of course, Manly P. Hall, Jordan was actually bequeathed all of Manly Peak Halls.
	Basically, his library and studies when he died were given to Jordan.
	So that was quite an honor and should tell you kind of where the lineage goes.
	But, you know, in terms of researchers and in terms of the background behind all of this.
	So, yeah, I mean, and these are not the only individuals who've done a huge amount of work in sort of looking at the The sort of powers that be that want to or consider themselves rulers of the world, however you want to look at it.
	So, yeah, and we're very lucky to have that work out there.
	But it sets a precedent, I have to say, in which Australia can basically ban you for anything you say.
	Yes, unfortunately it can.
	The reason goes out the window, because David has been Australia many times.
	I know someone who went to his show in Melbourne.
	In fact, this would have been his 11th tour of Australia and not one single hair on a kangaroo's head has been harmed once.
	He's not a threat to the community.
	No, no.
	It's obvious that the ulterior motive is to try and silence him and, as you say, set a precedent so that other people who talk about globalist conspiracies can also be silenced, such as you and me.
	That's right.
	We can also be science.
	We can be branded in the same way.
	And this horrific massacre in New Zealand has made things even worse because even though it's in no way connected with you or me or with David, it has been, in a sense, a lot of people are saying, well, look, this is why they did the right thing banning David Ike because of this shooting in New Zealand.
	So they've connected these things together.
	Oh, my God.
	Which is absurd.
	In fact, it's libelous, I would say.
	It's a defamation of character.
	But they just do it with gay abandon.
	It's obvious they want to silence him.
	They want to stop the general public hearing what we have to say.
	And they're doing it by attacks on our character, encouraging idiots to call us fascists and Nazis, and governments to shut us down and venues to cancel us, bookshops not to stock our works and things like that.
	It's very dangerous, very dangerous indeed.
	All right.
	Well, you know, it's been lots of fun talking to you and you seem to be a fount of knowledge.
	So I'm sure we could just be going on all day and all night.
	What I want to do really quickly here, and not to keep you too much longer, but just to ask if the audience has any burning questions.
	And because we do have a chat room alongside the show, a live chat room, and just allow anyone who wants to ask a direct question while Ben is still with us and put it in all caps if you possibly can.
	Put a question mark at the end so I can tell what is a question as opposed to the chat that's going on because there's been a very active chat going on while we're talking.
	So I'm just throwing that out here for the last moments or two.
	Just while that's going on, do you want to say any sort of, I don't know, some kind of promotion for yourself or what you want out there or anything of that nature?
	Well, the best thing people do if they want to find out more about me is to look at my website.
	A H-P-A-N-W-O. There's lots of websites, including my news site, which I update on this every day.
	YouTube channel, my own radio show, and of course my books, Roswell Rising, Roswell Revealed, and Roswell Redeemed, the Roswell Trilogy.
	If you like UFOs and Area 51 and aliens and crash retrievals and extra politics, you will really enjoy these books.
	You really will.
	Okay, very good.
	So one person wants to let you know, do you feel that you have contact as a child at night with a group?
	There's lots of things that I could talk about.
	For example, I found out I've got an implant in my body.
	It's a long story, but maybe we don't have time to discuss it in detail now.
	I don't have any memories of what you say contact experience with extraterrestrials.
	However, my family has been taken over when I was a child by malevolent entities and indeed a person who was very closely involved with my control.
	It's a long, complicated and very painful story, I must admit.
	But from a young age, I remember these strange people coming into my family and almost taking over my family.
	Are you aware of the work of Cathy Morgan, the investigator?
	Yes.
	So do you feel that you have some similarities, perhaps, with regard to that?
	You know, I'd love to have you back on now that I find out you've got this very, you know, interesting past.
	I'd love to talk to you about that.
	Yeah, it would be really fun.
	So, you know, I try to keep these shows around two hours.
	I think we did start a tiny bit late, so maybe we have a little more time than I think.
	I don't know.
	Do you want to take five minutes and maybe give an overview?
	I can tell you a little bit about...
	I've discussed this with Kathy, actually.
	Oh, good.
	But my mother was a...
	This is the most interesting bit, I think.
	The most important bit of evidence.
	But my mother was a mature student.
	She actually was a cinema usherette.
	And she, in her thirties, she went and got herself a degree in psychology at a university.
	You could do that sort of thing in those days without any financial worries.
	And this is when I was a kid, a little child.
	Well, a sort of young teenager.
	And she went off to train as a counsellor.
	She studied at a place called Rugby, which is in central England.
	And she spent, on and off, she went on a residential course several weeks over a period of months.
	She did two-week stints there.
	And to get this qualification to be a relationship counsellor.
	She specialised in relationships.
	And she brought this old lady home with her once.
	This lady called Isabel, an old Scottish lady.
	She was not on the faculty at the training college.
	So how my mum actually got involved with her, I'm not sure.
	It's a story that is shrouded in mystery.
	My mum's dead now.
	My dad refuses to talk about this.
	He won't talk about it.
	She was very unpleasant to me.
	Not to my brother, to me.
	As soon as she got in the house, she started ordering me about like a servant, making me do things for her.
	She used to play, I suppose, emotionally cruel games on me.
	And when I'm, say, 13 or 14 years old, it's actually very distressing.
	And what was worse was she seemed to be able to make my mother behave in the same way when she was around.
	This lady, Isabel, was there all the time.
	I mean, we joked that she had adopted my mum and became my mother's mother.
	So she became a kind of surrogate grandmother to me.
	But she was an evil grandmother, the type you get in fairy tales.
	Wow.
	Like, once you get in bed, lie in bed and wait for Little Red Riding Hood and things like that.
	And...
	It was only years and years later, because at the time I was just a kid.
	I didn't know about the things I know now.
	But when I got much older, I found out that this old lady, this old lady Isabel, her full name is Isabel Menzies-Lythe.
	For anyone who's studied the history of psychological warfare, that is an infamous name.
	She's one of the founders of the Tavisdok Institute of Human Relations.
	Oh no, you're kidding me.
	Oh God.
	What the hell was she doing?
	What the hell was this world-leading expert on mind control doing in getting involved in my family?
	Why my family?
	Why me?
	Why was she so awful to me?
	Very strange.
	It is, and I can look back at it now.
	I'm an adult, but at the time, it was really traumatic, especially because she turned my own mother against me.
	And as a teenage boy, that's a horrific thing to have to ensure.
	And Kathy thinks that, and I agree with her, that There must have been something about me, even at that age, which must have alerted someone higher up that I was going to maybe turn into the tinfoil hat-wearing stentorian giant you see sitting before you.
	Exactly.
	Oh, God.
	That's just a horrendous story.
	Well, I think there's a lot more to be investigated there, certainly.
	And...
	You know, that's not an idol thing by any stretch.
	And one would really wonder.
	Wow.
	Well, I think we're going to have to revisit that and bring you back and maybe try to delve into all of that much deeper.
	Let me ask.
	Now, there is someone in the chat.
	I'm going to ask you this one last question and then we're going to have to move along.
	So, Patti Broussard.
	Someone wants me to ask you about Patti Broussard.
	Hi, Patti.
	Hi, Patti.
	Patti and I have been on other shows, yes.
	I don't know if Patti Broussard is in the chat room, but someone wanted me to ask you.
	Ask Ben about Patti Broussard.
	So, I don't know.
	Why do they want me to ask you about Patti?
	Oh, right.
	Well, Patti Broussard is someone I know, actually, because she and I and Karen McDonald and Caroline Stevens and several other people have recently been taking part in a series of interviews called Seeking the Truth.
	Which is on the Wake Up UK YouTube channel.
	Okay, I didn't realize that.
	All right.
	We talk about an awful lot of things.
	I mean, from Brexit to the Secret Space Program, Mind Control, and all kinds of things like that.
	And Patty, I find very interesting, as I do Karen and Caroline and all the other people who are involved.
	Okay.
	So you're appearing with Patty Broussard in something, and you know her?
	Yeah.
	Okay, very good.
	Well, you know...
	Can you maybe in a sentence say who Patti Broussard is for those people that don't know?
	Patti Broussard is someone who actually was involved in the official space program, but she has knowledge of a secret space program behind it.
	What else was there?
	She knows about, for example, things on other planets and she's provided evidence on the website and some of her other videos I've been looking at that these things are real.
	It's very interesting to talk to her.
	I'd have to study your work in more detail, but I know that she was on a show with you and Miles, I think, and talking about strange things that the CERN, the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva, which seems to have had strange effects on the world.
	And indeed, maybe you weren't there, Carrie.
	I know Miles was.
	No, I don't recall.
	I certainly know the name, Patti Broussard, but I don't remember interviewing her at all.
	Maybe just Miles.
	I've actually done, like, Something like 1,000 interviews at this point.
	So sometimes I might not remember exactly.
	But I could look back in my sort of litany of stuff and see.
	Well, she sounds interesting, certainly.
	Because, of course, with the Large Hadron Colliders come things such as the Mandela Effect and stuff like that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, very interesting, all of that.
	All right, well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
	And I think that people have gotten sort of a, A great overview of the things you've been looking into, and you've got a lot of knowledge and certainly a fair number of documentaries for people to take a look at, as well as your books.
	So thanks again.
	You know, it's great to have you here, and it'd be lovely to bring you back and get into the whole Tavistock, you know, Mind Control thing.
	I'll be glad to come back.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for having me.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	I'm going to let you go then, and have a great day.
	Thanks, Kerry.
	It's the same to you.
	Talk to you again soon.
	I'll see you in Watford as well.
	Oh, that's right.
	You will.
	And I'm going to put an ad for my actual conference up here just after I close you down here.
	So I'll let you go and take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye, everyone.
	Thanks.
	Oh, okay.
	So actually, I want to close that.
	Hi.
	So anyway, he's really a fascinating guy and he's got all kinds of interesting information.
	Now, I do want to share that I'm doing a conference in England.
	And hopefully some people from England might have been seeing this show and might be in the chat room as well.
	So we do this yearly in Watford at the High Elms Manor in association with the High Elms Manor UFO Academy, as it's called.
	And it's a two-day conference, June 22nd and 23rd.
	We've got a wonderful lineup.
	And if you go to my website, Project Hamlet.tv and click on events.
	You'll also see a banner on there about it, but I've got a list of everyone who's going to be appearing and I don't know if I can bring this up quickly or not, but I wanted to just announce that and let people know so that they could consider really And I also have,
	well, this is not what I was going to be showing, but I'm going to show you anyway, because I've had many conferences that are smaller conferences, and we do sell the presentations afterwards.
	And we keep them on Vimeo.
	So for those of you that don't know that we have on-demand streaming pages, this is also a way to help Camelot.
	I actually make the presentations available for a very low amount of money.
	Some, I think, are just like $3 or $1.
	You know, $4 to stream individual speakers.
	And we've got an incredible lineup, really.
	And I've got, what's, there are six conferences.
	Now, I've even got Awake and Aware 2011.
	That was in the United States.
	I think Awake and Aware 2013.
	Let's see, 2013.
	Yes, that's here, Time Travel in Other Worlds.
	That's a fascinating conference for those of you that are interested in, let me see if I can get some of this to show on here, in which we have a trailer and then we have all the different presentations.
	And see, these are only three dollars each.
	Incredible lineup.
	Really, really incredible.
	George Green, Richard Hoagland.
	I mean, this list just goes on.
	David Wilcock, Sean David Morton, Bashar, Stephen Kelly, Preston Nichols.
	He was very involved in the Montauk Project.
	And Anthony Sanchez, fabulous researcher.
	And Arthur Neumann, also known as Henry Deacon, which is very unprecedented.
	He came and was on stage with us there.
	So...
	If you're not familiar with our Vimeo channel, I do highly recommend that.
	And please do consider going over there and taking a look at some of our stuff.
	And I am on my way to Egypt.
	I'm taking a group to Egypt, for those of you that don't know.
	And you can go onto my website, projectcamelot.tv again, and see that I've got...
	All the details about my Egypt trip.
	Of course, it's probably too late to join us this year, but it does appear...
	This is my third trip, leading a trip to Egypt.
	So I want to recommend that people consider...
	Also, we're thinking of doing one to Turkey.
	So if you're interested in going to Turkey on a tour...
	With myself and Maria Wheatley who is an expert dowser and I've had her on my show a number of times and she's a specialist in ancient sites.
	she's also considers herself a druid and is very knowledgeable about occult information as well so when i recommend that and uh since i'm doing this on the show really i'm gonna try to wrap this up but i'll just take this opportunity to share my front page because a lot of people that are Come to YouTube.
	Don't come to my website, I'm afraid.
	And there's so much on my website.
	It's gigantic, actually.
	So, of course, it's got all my interviews, and you can certainly do searches.
	Under search, just put a last name or a first name.
	But I've got a lot of very important stuff.
	I don't know if you know that Peter Padgett has recently done a whole blast of information about Planet X. And he's a witness that works for the Queen of England, basically, but he also does disclose on occasion very good information.
	He does it very carefully and he expects no one's paying attention.
	And that's when he tells you the best stuff.
	So that's on my front page.
	And I also recommend my latest interview with Captain Mark Richards, which is right here as well.
	And then on If you go to the events tab, and these are tabs across the top, a lot of people never really realize how to do these kinds of things.
	But Egypt 2019, so this is our latest tour event.
	The Megacon with John Lear.
	Many people know that I was there.
	This is the Awaken Aware conference that's coming up.
	And let me see if I can put the line up here while I'm at it.
	So tickets are on sale and the link is on this page.
	And then the whole schedule is here.
	Very simple.
	We're going to have Mark Steele about 5G as a weapon.
	Peter Sabek.
	I'm not sure.
	And he's the alien code guy who is really fascinating.
	And I interviewed him recently on this channel.
	Laura Loudon, she believes that her children were taken away by the British social services, whatever you call those people.
	And then they returned as clones, which is a really bizarre story.
	And we're very happy to have her along today.
	Actually, where it says TBI, I need to put in Tony Topping.
	He's going to be back with us this year.
	He is a fascinating contactee.
	And Patricia Corey will be a big treat.
	That's on Sunday.
	Communicating with the Syrian Council.
	She's written several books.
	A fascinating woman.
	She's also an expert on Egypt and taking a group as we speak there, right before I go take my group.
	Miles Johnston, as you all know, he's always got something fascinating to say.
	And Simon Parks, his topic we don't know yet, but he will be there and I will be speaking as well about my latest intel.
	So that's the lineup, and that, again, is on my projectcamelot.tv website.
	So thank you for watching and listening, and I will be back.
	I think we're doing a roundtable on Friday on my channel, so we'll schedule that.
	That's 1 p.m., I believe.
	No, actually, we moved it.
	It's now going to be 3 p.m., and that's Pacific Time, and that is going to be with Deborah Tavares.
	Michael Dunn, Nancy Hopkins, as well as, gosh, his name is Sasha Stone.
	I think it's Sasha Stone.
	Hopefully I've got that name right.
	At any rate, he is a filmmaker and has just done a documentary on the dangerous 5G. So we're going to be talking about that.
	That's this Friday at 3 p.m.
	And I'll put that on my website shortly.
	So...
	Please do tune in for that and thanks again for supporting my work.
	Have a great day.

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