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Jan. 24, 2019 - Project Camelot

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ABDUCTION DOCUMENTARY An interview with Lee Lustig and Darce Weir

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We have a very interesting show this evening and this is going to be an interview with two filmmakers.
	I have interviewed them before and it's Lee Lustig and Darcy Weir and we're going to be talking about their new UFO documentary which is actually called Beyond the Spectrum Being Taken.
	And it's all about abductions.
	So this should be quite a fascinating discussion.
	And if you go to myprojecthamlot.tv, if you're not already on that page, you can actually see a review that I wrote at the bottom of the page.
	We're going to talk about some of those points I bring up in my kind of review.
	I didn't get a chance to actually post it on their, you know, whatever you call it, I guess it would be on Amazon, but it is available on Amazon.
	You can click the link on my page and get to it.
	So without further ado, I am going to bring...
	Lee Lustig is with us first of all, and we're going to be joined a little later by his partner, Darcy Weir.
	So Lee, say hello to everyone, and I'm going to read your bio briefly here.
	Hi everyone, and Carrie, thank you so much.
	Again, for having us on.
	It's going to be fun.
	And yeah, I'm just happy to be here.
	Excellent.
	Okay, so hopefully we'll be having no issues in terms of, you know, the sound and so on.
	And so if people in the chat room have any problems, please do let me know as well.
	Even in all caps so that I will try to keep an eye on the chat room in case we have some issues here.
	So basically they've got a new...
	I've actually interviewed them several times.
	Every time they release a new documentary it seems like I'm interviewing them.
	And they've done some really nice work and you can go back on my YouTube channel and get those interviews and also we'll find out how you can go on Amazon and get all their other documentaries.
	But First of all, Lee Lustig is an editor, screenwriter, and composer based in Los Angeles.
	He aims to create innovative and original content, including documentaries that center around weird science and the paranormal.
	And it looks like he is a professional editor, and he's also on IMDB. And I guess Darcy, I will just say Darcy, who's going to join us pretty soon, is The producer, director, writer, editor, and a cinematographer.
	And he has a website, occultjourneys.com.
	I'm not sure if you guys share that website.
	Do you, Lee?
	I mean, he definitely manages it himself.
	But yeah, that is the sort of umbrella name that we're going under for all these Beyond the Spectrum films.
	So yeah, I'm a part of that.
	But I don't think I've seen the site, actually, to be honest.
	It's a little embarrassing to say.
	But...
	I'm sure it's Darcy, you know?
	You know, I also want to point out, I really appreciate that you enjoyed our films, because you must watch a lot of documentaries on this stuff.
	So if ours actually sticks out, coming from you, that means a lot.
	All right, cool.
	Well, I try to see whatever I can see.
	And, you know, I worked in Hollywood for 20 years.
	Actually, I'm going back into making movies as we speak.
	So that is my passion as well.
	And so I really, I guess, you know, kind of identify and all that.
	So I'm happy to help, you know, fellow filmmakers out.
	Now, Darcy Weir has been creating films that focus on theories and stories that challenge conventional thinking for the past eight years.
	He calls Canada his home and has lived in the U.S., Vietnam, and Australia.
	His films tell a credible story behind subjects such as Bigfoot, military involvement with underground bases, UFOs.
	I know you guys did something on Phil Schneider that was quite Excellent, as I recall, and now Alien Abduction.
	His current documentary series, Beyond the Spectrum, is what he calls it, provides people with enough verifiable information on these subjects, and he hopes in later installments to broaden the subject matter on those topics and get more into depth.
	So again, this is on ProjectHamlet.tv if you want to go to that, and...
	Let me see.
	I'm going to try to put my video on here and hopefully we won't have any problems there as we get into this here and we'll see how it goes.
	So there we go.
	Hi there.
	And I hope we're both on the screen now and I'm already having a little bit of difficulty with my video.
	So maybe if I lower this bandwidth, that'll help.
	I don't know.
	To me, it looks fantastic, just so you know.
	Okay, so far so good.
	Yeah, the important thing is that we're moving.
	When it freezes, that's when I get worried.
	So, okay, we'll go from here.
	At any rate, you know, welcome, and it's lovely to have you on the show.
	And as always, and what I want to do is really start off with the abduction, kind of the way you wanted to approach the subject, because I had some...
	Issues with this particular documentary simply because, you know, maybe I have too high of expectations in the end, you know, also because I have a lot of experience with regard to the subject matter.
	And so I may be expecting too much too soon, so to speak, because I understand that perhaps you were aiming or both of you were aiming at a more Rudimentary level with regard to abductions because it does appear that you start off really trying to prove in a certain sense that abductions are real, whereas I kind of feel like we're kind of beyond that state.
	But I understand that that may not be the case from some people's point of view.
	Right.
	That's absolutely true.
	I mean, we wanted to create a film that was basically geared towards people that have already made up their mind that abduction is not real.
	And we knew that the people who were already familiar with it would probably not get much out of this film.
	However, I do think there's a few things in there that kind of cater to the more seasoned veterans of the subject like yourself, but those are a little smaller.
	Like, for instance, we have Stephen Bassett, who is not known for talking about abductions.
	That's why we put him in the film, because everybody who knows this guy is used to hearing him talk about the I hate people that say meat and potatoes, but the more grounded, I guess, accessible stuff.
	He deals with high-ranking military testimony and stuff like that.
	We thought it would be really interesting to have someone like him talk about abduction.
	To our surprise, he was totally into it and believes in it and all that stuff.
	We also did something like that with Travis Walton.
	We kind of assumed that a lot of people were already aware of fire in the sky.
	So we kind of cracked that open and discussed the shortcomings of that, you know, in his opinion.
	And we think that that is something that would probably cater to the people who are already familiar with it.
	I think if you don't know Abduction as well, you might be watching this film and going, why are they talking about this film right now?
	Or why are they talking about this Dean Alioto's film?
	That's the same thing with that.
	We kind of...
	We're aware that Dean's film was considered real by a lot of people, so we wanted to crack that open, too.
	Oh, right.
	That was an interesting aspect.
	You know, actually, I wasn't aware of his film.
	I don't know why.
	Oh, wow.
	Strangely.
	And now that I hear that it was seen as a hoax and all of that, and that he actually...
	Well, he made it as a...
	Kind of a hoax.
	He made it as a faux, like Blair Witch Project, the way I relate to it.
	It was supposed to look real, but it wasn't real.
	And those kinds of movies do confuse people, I have to say, from the get-go.
	Now, doing that in a conspiratorial world is probably asking for trouble in a certain sense.
	But, you know, I appreciated seeing him on your film and having him, you know, really tell it as he saw it.
	And I know that that's not going to...
	I think that that's not going to end the conspiracy world around him.
	And...
	Because there's just too many things.
	It's like the alien autopsy, you know.
	You can deny it, but then there are certain things that come along that actually say...
	Are you denying it because it's real and you've been told to deny it and then we get into a whole can of worms because then the person you're talking to tries to say well I don't have anything to do with the government and I'm not in the CIA and you know why are you saying this to me and gets offended When in reality,
	well, it's just me because I've been in the conspiracy world now for 14 years and I've been working, you know, nonstop the whole time.
	So I kind of have gone down the rabbit hole and can appreciate where people's minds go and their lack of limitation there.
	But now, regarding Stephen Bassett, you know, I do want to say that, you know, I've known Stephen for many, many years, and I am surprised that he agreed to be on your film, but maybe that's just, with all due respect, desperation just to be in any film and interviewed anywhere, which is kind of like he, you know, he is kind of like an equal opportunity guy when it comes to stuff like that, I imagine.
	Although, I have an issue because he never allowed my witnesses to speak at his press conferences or at any conferences he's done.
	And he's even told me, you know, I rode on a plane with him by accident.
	He happened to be flying on the same plane from Washington.
	I think it was Washington, D.C. or wherever it was.
	And told me to my face that he wasn't going to let my witnesses into his conferences or anything.
	Because, quote unquote, from his point of view, the people aren't ready for that information.
	And among that information, of course, are plenty of stories of abduction.
	So, you know, for the longest time, Stephen Bassett has always been one of those talking heads who has never been willing to talk about abduction.
	Who drives the craft?
	Hello!
	You know, all he wants to talk about is the technology.
	But, you know, I have to hand it over to him in the sense that he did come on your documentary and say that he understood that abduction was real and so on and so forth.
	I have to also say that Stanton Friedman is a questionable witness as well, from my point of view, because I have actually seen a long time ago.
	You know, you got to understand that this sort of sector has grown up during the last 10 years, let's say.
	And in the early days, especially when Project Camelot was starting, they were still back in the sort of land of nuts and bolts and they didn't want to talk about the ETs that drove the crack and they didn't want to talk about abductions.
	In fact, the press conference that Stephen Bassett did Not that long ago, maybe four years ago or whenever it was.
	The one in Washington, D.C.? The Citizen Era, yeah.
	Yes.
	I went there and I interviewed people there.
	And I can tell you that he didn't want to go down that road, okay?
	Yeah.
	But you guys have Travis Walton and that's great.
	And, and, you know, it's really nice for people to see him all these years later, you know, in this sort of a venue talking about the abductions and you guys also address the Wikipedia definition and sort of faux pas in terms of the way they try to characterize in this sort of a venue talking about the abductions and you guys also And like I told you, as I wrote in my review, have you got any idea what they say about me?
	Which are lies like you won't believe.
	So they are no authority on anything, but people don't know that.
	That's exactly so.
	People don't.
	Yes.
	So I'm going to let you talk now.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, you're bringing up so many great points.
	I don't even know where to begin.
	But I'll get to the Wikipedia thing in a second.
	But as far as Stephen Bassett goes, you know, I can't speak for him.
	And I have no idea what happened during any exchanges that you've had.
	I just think he was probably, yeah, he probably didn't want to bring abduction into the equation at that time because it was Washington and maybe he feels that One baby step at a time, you know, and I can kind of level with him.
	That's kind of how we felt when making this film.
	That's why we didn't go into psychic channeling at all.
	And we didn't go into reptilian.
	I mean, there's plenty of things we didn't touch because, yeah, we're trying to convince people.
	I think he was trying to convince those former congressmen.
	And when you're trying to convince people, I mean, I have a lot of experience with People who just do not believe in this at all.
	I mean, I talk to them every day.
	I mean, 90% of people I talk to just have no idea what you and I are talking about right now.
	So I think that kind of motivates you to scale it back a little.
	And yeah, I believe in a lot of stuff that we didn't discuss in this film.
	But sometimes maybe baby steps are the way to go.
	Now with the Wikipedia stuff...
	I knew that this would be an issue because we have a lot of Wikipedia in this film.
	And the reason for that is, well, there's a couple of reasons.
	First of all, it is considered to be a good source by a lot of people.
	I mean, there's a lot of people where if you were to run something by them, they wouldn't accept it unless it's on Wikipedia.
	That's just how people think.
	You'll also see in our film that we sort of criticize Wikipedia for Travis Walton, his page, and how it leaves out a lot of information and it basically just squashes the whole story and, you know, I don't even know what the correct term.
	I mean, it minimizes it.
	It minimalizes it.
	It just makes it seem like this whatever thing that nobody believes.
	And you'd have no idea reading this page that it's one of the most credible abduction stories of all time.
	And that was interesting.
	But what's weird is there's like the Betty and Barney Hill Wikipedia page is the opposite of that.
	And it's been cited and it has references.
	So it's interesting how certain things are okay and then certain things aren't by their standards.
	But I just thought it was really interesting how It fluctuates like that.
	But hopefully people don't get too annoyed by the plethora of Wikipedia in this film.
	There's just a lot of stories that really that's all you can show.
	I mean, there aren't photos of the Elizabeth Clare abduction in the 50s.
	You know, there aren't drawings of it even.
	So, you know, it gets a little tricky.
	I mean, I don't want to get into the nitty gritty of filmmaking, but sometimes you just you don't have a lot to show.
	Well, that's a very good point.
	I can understand that to some degree, although there are plenty of witnesses out there, lots of what are basically abductees.
	Even I have been abducted.
	Repeatedly in my life.
	I did not know that.
	Yeah, and so I guess in the end of the day, I relate to the people that admit that they have been abducted.
	And from my point of view, and this is maybe not a popular point of view, but I think someone like Stephen Bassett is in denial because he's probably been We're good to go.
	It's a very interesting dynamic.
	And this is, you know, I don't know if you heard the new witness that has come forward, Terry Loveless, that I interviewed just recently.
	He's a lawyer, as it happens.
	And he wrote a book all about his abduction.
	He and a partner, they were both in the Air Force, were abducted, like, when they were 22.
	He's been quiet about it for 40 years.
	I think, at least.
	And then all of a sudden, March of 2018, he released his book, which is excellent.
	It's getting rave reviews on Amazon.
	It's called, I believe it's called Incident at Devil's Den.
	And I had him on my show and interviewed him.
	It's a fascinating interview.
	So anyone listening should go to my YouTube channel and definitely listen to that very recent interview with Terry Loveless.
	And we are pitching the movie to Hollywood because I think it's so well-written and it reads like a movie.
	Well, I kind of want to hear more about your story and also why Stephen Bassett is a possible abductee.
	That is piquing my interest in the moment.
	Well, anyone who has...
	Let's put it this way.
	It's very difficult at this point on planet Earth to avoid ET contact.
	And because there are so many ETs here, number one, but number two, especially with regard to the genetics engineering of humanity and the gray human hybrid program, there's a lot of abductions happening.
	There's also something like 60 million humans disappearing off the face of the Earth every year.
	I think I read that somewhere.
	And you can check my numbers.
	Wow.
	Children, as we know, are disappearing all the time.
	People are disappearing out of national parks.
	Everyone knows about the, what is it called?
	Something 411?
	Anyway, you know, David Paulides, you don't know about him?
	No.
	No, he spent several books documenting the missing people from national parks.
	It's a very odd syndrome.
	So, you know, these are things that are not in your documentary that better be in your next one.
	But, you know, I mean, I'm just saying so.
	And there are plenty of other things and many, many abductees and Gosh, the list is very long and I've interviewed a number of them on my channel.
	And to tell you the truth, when you get into my military witnesses, you would think that those people are immune somehow.
	But as it happens, the deeper you sort of scratch the surface with them, you find out almost every single one of them without fail has had ET contact.
	Wow.
	So these are very credible military witnesses, individuals who have had rank, like Bob Dean, etc.
	And Bob Dean had lots of ET contact, which he talked about on my interviews.
	Jordan Maxwell talked eventually about his ET contact.
	I mean, you know, people were slow in coming forward over the years.
	In some cases, they were afraid that their Reputation would be, you know, tarnished if they wouldn't be seen as being objective academia, you know, looking at a syndrome.
	Rich Dolan, very well-known person, has had ET contact since a young age.
	He doesn't talk about it, does he?
	No, he does not.
	But I knew him from many years ago, so maybe you'll hate me for saying that, but it's true.
	Wow.
	And so have his kids, by the way.
	So this is the kind of thing that, you know, this is why I have a different attitude than most people probably.
	But now I want to talk to you because I think, you know, you guys are really good at what you do.
	I really appreciate that.
	You really work hard to, if you bring up something, if you bring up a point, you really do not just let it lay there, you know, and then disappear.
	You actually delve into it.
	And I think in terms of a documentary, that's to be, you know, really taken in serious consideration of everything that you're looking into.
	So like you said, you got into certain areas.
	You got into the lies on Wikipedia and you don't let go.
	You go down the road, you know, all the way.
	And...
	You do go back and forth.
	You did get Stanton Friedman, of course, to talk about the ET presence to some degree, although he plays his cards very close to the chest and he doesn't seem to really reveal all that much.
	Other than to basically say it's real, which is maybe good enough.
	I mean, you know, let's...
	He gave some pretty general statements about just the fact that aliens are here and he worked on these interstellar travel projects and he believes that the technology is real.
	He kind of serves...
	He's kind of...
	He's just Stanton Freeman.
	I mean, he's himself in the film.
	Yeah, he probably doesn't get deep into any other abductees except for Betty and Barney.
	I don't even know if we asked him about Travis Walton, to be honest.
	I mean, there was, you know, I think we might have made him late to a lecture.
	That was the other thing.
	We were trying to get him in between his lectures.
	And it's just, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right, though.
	There are a lot of people that I wish we could have crammed into this film and And I think the reason why I didn't want to go into a lot of other cases is because just like you said, I would have spent like 30 minutes on each one of them.
	It would have been a nine hour document.
	I mean, you know, I'm guilty of that because I do two hour interviews.
	So, you know, it's like, you know, I totally understand the draw and how impossible it is to to really.
	Yeah.
	Sort of gel all this down to a couple of sentences within a documentary when you have such limited time.
	It adds up really quickly.
	We edit all the time and it's amazing.
	If you give somebody two minutes, that's about all they get.
	The amount of times that I said to Darcy while making this film, the amount of times I said the phrase, that's opening up a can of worms, like a hundred times.
	Because there were so many aspects that we thought about cramming in there, but then it was like, all right, well, if we're going to say this, then we got to explain free energy and all these people.
	And that's another thing we don't really go into is free energy.
	Sure.
	What powers the UFOs?
	I mean, that technology is a whole can of worms there.
	And, you know, also it might interest you to know that a lot of CIA agents have had ET interaction, have been abducted, etc.
	So this is part and parcel of the situation.
	There's reason to believe that Bob Lazar, for example, has not just had E.T. contact, which he barely remembers at this point, apparently, according to I saw him at the premiere of the latest documentary on him,
	and he saw him on stage, but the fact of the matter is that You know, he has had E.T. interaction, and I believe he also was probably an abductee, and this is how the military decided to use him.
	As a kind of a fall guy, as John Lear says, they knew all along that he was going to be a kind of a whistleblower, that he wasn't going to toe the line, but that he was going to be a person that would be easily discredited if he didn't Try to blow the whistle, which of course he did.
	And then he basically backed off it for many, many years and was silent.
	So it's too bad that these people are so threatened and so afraid to really come forward.
	So this is a very difficult area.
	So kudos to you guys for trying to break it open in your own way.
	And doing it in a certain way that is really addressing the general public's concerns as opposed to the people in this sort of alternative sector.
	So that's an important caveat.
	But there's still, you know, it's still an interesting film from whoever, whatever level you're at to sort of analyze and watch these people.
	With their testimonies.
	And I don't agree with all of them, I have to say.
	What were some moments in the film where you just said, ah, come on, this is BS? What did you have a problem with?
	I'm just curious.
	Well, there was one time when I, and I, you know, I feel bad that I'm not going to remember her name, but you have a woman who's quite a spokesperson in the whole body of the film.
	Oh, Kathleen, yeah.
	What's her last name?
	Kathleen Martin.
	She is, yeah, she was the niece of Betty Hill, yeah.
	Right, okay.
	So, credible source, for sure, and has been involved in this sector for quite some time.
	And it always cracks me up when People like her or others like her say, well, I know not all ETs are good, but I know the ones that abducted me are good.
	And that's just an interesting, yeah, it's because there are so many things, you know, in terms of Overlay and implanted memories, etc.
	And I don't think you really got into Roger Lear, you know, the one who removes implants all that much.
	We scratched the surface.
	Yeah, barely.
	We just wanted to have a quick little blurb.
	Hey, there was this guy, Roger Lear.
	He was a surgeon.
	He claimed to remove alien implants.
	That's it.
	But yeah, you're right.
	I think you should have gone in more to his stuff because that increases credibility.
	And God, I'm trying to remember his name.
	It starts with a D. Anyway, this other individual who's a really good witness in this regard and has been investigating this.
	You know, when you get into the visitation, you get into abduction, you get into the notion of are these ETs positive?
	Do they mean well for humanity?
	Why are they abducting us?
	And you did get into like a sort of soft level about the genetics.
	But there's a lot there.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I can say...
	Yeah.
	I mean, so it's understandable.
	I mean, you have to sort of narrow things down in order to get into such...
	You know, you're covering a big, broad topic.
	And, you know, it's understandable.
	But...
	So, you know, in terms of that, I can say that...
	There's more things.
	I also thought it was a little bit, I don't know, strange that you concentrated only on some really big, you know, the Betty Bar, Barney Hill, the Travis Walton.
	In other words, the big sort of tentpole ones that everyone knows, whereas there are so many others that are also fascinating and witnesses that do exist and are still alive and could be Talking to you and you also didn't talk about David Jacobs who's done a tremendous amount of work in the gray human hybrid program in investigating those talking you know in other words what I said in my review also
	about therapists you know what are in essence regression therapists they're in a position like John Mack was to really be able to tell people well I've talked to X number of people I've regressed them They all have some similarities along the line.
	You know, Dolores Cannon is one of these kinds of people.
	She's passed away.
	I don't know when you filmed everything, but so you probably didn't get a chance to have her on there.
	Oh, we're definitely aware of these people.
	I mean, again, it's...
	When you try to do a film where you're really trying to convince people that don't believe it, I do think that those areas of the phenomenon are not really necessary to convince.
	They are definitely necessary if you want to, like, understand the whole picture, of course.
	But, you know, for Joe Schmo and his friends who are like, oh, why don't they just land on the White House lawn?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Which, by the way, is just the stupidest.
	I mean, we kind of got into why that's stupid in the film, but it's really stupid.
	I mean, like you said it yourself, you know, we don't really know the intent of these beings.
	Some people might think they're benevolent.
	Some people might think they're malevolent.
	But the fact is they're hiding in the shadows.
	I mean, they're not revealing themselves.
	That alone is very telling.
	It's like if you had a rat in a maze, you wouldn't tell it it's in a maze because then your experiment wouldn't be able to go on.
	It's like if we really are an experiment, a science experiment, like Kathleen says in our film, why would they want to reveal themselves to us?
	Why would they land on a White House lawn?
	Or why would they even let their presence be known at all?
	If we really aren't scientists.
	Yeah, and you know, I mentioned the Eisenhower basically making a deal, the military's deal with The ETs and that allowed for abductions.
	The ETs broke those treaties and continue to do so, by the way.
	And so, you know, it's also important to remember that not all ET contacts are abductions.
	So that gets into a whole nother...
	Right.
	Topic for you, and obviously you weren't able to go there.
	In other words, I sympathize with you.
	I appreciate the work you did, and let's talk some more about the film to attract people to it, because it's a worthwhile film to see.
	I really appreciate that.
	I think that people that are listening to this are going to want to hear You know, what were your sort of high points?
	What were you excited about when you made the film?
	To be honest, I really love the Dean Aliotto part.
	I know that has nothing to do with abduction as a real phenomenon, but it's really cool to me because here, let me backtrack a bit.
	When I was a kid, the special aired on Fox and They were selling it as a real event.
	It was Dean's film.
	But when I went to school the next day, all my classmates were like, did you see that thing on Fox last night where the family got abducted?
	It's like this real, everyone thought it was real.
	It was like an episode of, you know, 2020.
	I mean, this was before The Unsolved Mysteries.
	I forget what show.
	Maybe this was The Unsolved Mysteries.
	I don't know.
	It was possible that it was that.
	And people really believed it.
	And then years later, when I would talk about abduction to people, they would say, oh, like that McPherson family.
	I mean, that was like the quintessential story.
	It wasn't Betty and Barney Hill.
	It wasn't Travis Walton.
	It was this fake Blair Witch thing.
	And, you know, I love Dean and the film is great.
	I think it's so well done.
	You know, his script was like a couple of pages long and most of it was improv.
	And people believed that it was real.
	So it's really well made.
	And yeah, it's just that is what people had in their mind as like an alien abduction story, and it's not even real.
	So we kind of put that in the film to show that, yes, we believe in this stuff, but not every story is real.
	And I do think that's really important because I think a lot of people get turned off from all this because there's hoaxes out there.
	And maybe when you see a hoax, You think, oh, okay, well, it's probably all correct.
	Yes.
	That's human nature.
	We want to have these universal conclusions.
	We want to have this simple truth, like, okay, it's all fake.
	Okay, it's all real.
	So I think if you are a little open to the idea that some of it's real, some of it's fake, You're going to have an easier time digesting it.
	I think that's why we kind of went the direction we did.
	Yeah, I mean, I think I can appreciate that.
	You know, to be honest, I never saw that film and I didn't know about that guy.
	Now, I'd be curious to see it because just the brief amount of sort of time you spent on it and also the idea that he...
	Is that really Gary McKinnon?
	Or is that guy using his name?
	Because if that's Gary McKinnon, I want to say hi, Gary.
	You're welcome to come on my show.
	Gary is not in this film.
	We used a clip of him in a different film.
	No, I'm saying in the chat room.
	I just see someone calling themselves Gary McKinnon.
	Now, if there is Gary, that would be really cool.
	Good thing.
	I know he's interested in my shows every once in a while.
	I'm sure he watches it.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to depart from this subject here.
	Oh no, it's all good.
	Although it's on subject to some degree, but very cool if he's in there.
	Listen, what I wanted to say was, it is interesting.
	There are hoaxes, but the trouble with that, to my estimation, is...
	That abduction is such a sensitive topic and it is so stigmatized, let's say, by this society that I don't think there are many hoaxes out there.
	Now, that doesn't mean there aren't any.
	But I do want to say that the people that put themselves on the line to say, you know, hey, I was abducted.
	This happened to me.
	It's real.
	That takes a tremendous amount of courage to come forward.
	And I just don't think...
	That there's a lot of people that want to waste hours of their life and put themselves up for being stigmatized and criticized and everything under the sun in order to garner 15 minutes of fame, as it's called.
	And there's no obvious way of making money from such a thing.
	And Travis Walton would probably, you know, be the number one poster boy who would agree with me in this, you know, because of what it did to his life, you know, and continues to do, actually.
	So it's interesting, as I was mentioning Terry Loveless, you know, Terry Loveless spent the last 40 years being extremely troubled by what happened to him.
	Not able to talk to people about it.
	Told when he was a kid to shut up and not speak about it because people would think he was weird by his parents.
	And so he kept quiet and even into adulthood such that there's a scene in which is like movie worthy.
	you can appreciate he went into a toy store at Christmas to buy his kid a toy and saw some kind of toy that looked as if I remember the scene correctly saw something that looked like an alien you know with the eyes or something or maybe it was a you know one of those great alien kind of toys or whatever anyway freaked him out completely he had He had to leave the store.
	His wife is following him out of the store going, what's wrong?
	What's the matter?
	You know, and he's freaking out.
	This is a grown man.
	So, you know, whereas I hear what you're saying about hoaxes, etc., You know, this is a very, very difficult sort of road to hoe, and a lot of people are not kind of benefiting from coming forward in this way at all.
	Yeah.
	So that just has to be mentioned.
	I think people are not going to like the parts in our film where we call things a hoax, but to be fair, We never actually say that Billy Meyer was a liar.
	The photos are funky.
	We never actually say that George Adamski was never abducted.
	We just say the photos have been proven to be hoaxed.
	I also think another thing that adds credibility to people that say they were abducted is the supposed fact that none of these people are mentally ill.
	I'm sure there's some out there that are.
	You know, like the Travis Waltons of the world and the Betty and Barney Hill.
	These are people that have been tested and have like a completely squeaky clean bill of mental health.
	So that's interesting because, you know, we talk in the film about how there really is no named illness that involves seeing aliens and being on a ship.
	I mean, you could call it sleep paralysis if you really want to, and you can call it schizophrenia, but Do those involve all five senses with these vivid, detailed experiences that all kind of are similar amongst people?
	I mean, they all involve aliens.
	They all involve being on a ship, being experimented on.
	What is that illness?
	What is the name of this mental illness?
	Because we can't seem to peg one, you know what I mean?
	I hear you.
	Just sorry, I have to...
	I think my animals want to go.
	Anyway, so, yeah, I agree with you.
	You know, you don't do that.
	But at the same time, you know, there is this sort of overlay about supposedly hoaxes.
	And the interesting thing is that most of, for what it's worth, most of the so-called hoaxes involve the CIA and involve disinfo-ing the entire sector.
	And that's a very important sort of caveat.
	And one of the things that went on, and Rick Doty has admitted, and I've met Rick Doty, a DIA agent who I think also works for the CIA from time to time, and also was a cop for a while as part of his cover, I think.
	Basically, you know, he and certain other people made Paul Benoist go crazy.
	And, you know, that's just, I mean, of course that's a tragedy that you would do that to somebody's mind.
	But I know a guy, I don't know, I don't think I'm going to say his name right now, but Who they're trying to do the same thing to.
	I mean, they're trying to make him crazy.
	They're trying to kind of screw with his head to such a degree.
	And he's emotionally vulnerable.
	And so they're messing with him.
	And they used to do that to Gordon Novell all the time.
	I know that for a fact because he used to complain about it.
	And he's not the only one.
	Are you talking about electronic harassment type of thing?
	No, I'm talking...
	This is before electronic harassment.
	Of course, electronic harassment is major now.
	But back in the day, they didn't have, in theory, that much technology that they could aim at you as they do today.
	So no, I'm actually talking about the psychological...
	Messing with people's minds to make them think they're crazy and doing certain things in the real world.
	Like what Rick Doty did.
	Yeah, and there are other things that they do which people are not aware of, which does involve having people track them, having people follow them, things of this nature.
	Things just to throw you off your game and make you nervous and so on.
	And of course, they run people off the road.
	They do all kinds of things.
	So these are things just to be aware of, you know, that we talk about.
	You're talking about hoaxing.
	But again, you know, there is a side to this which does lend credibility that you guys weren't able to, probably didn't have time for, which has to do with threats, which has to do with black helicopters.
	You know, I know individuals who are visited constantly by black helicopters.
	And by the way, did you know Howard Hughes was even considered to be an alien?
	Wow.
	I mean, I'm sure he thought he was.
	I mean, that's a really different sort of take on his eccentricities, so to speak.
	But, you know, this is the kind of thing that people don't realize.
	This thing has been going on for a long time.
	People have been messed with for a very long time.
	And not just in terms of this, you know, not just in terms of, you know, alien abduction, but anytime a scientist or someone comes forward with truth to tell, they have a whole system of ways to try to psychologically destabilize the person.
	And that doesn't even count the amount of, of course, Electronic scalar wave technology that's now being used to do that to large sectors of the population.
	So...
	And if indeed that is Gary McKinnon, he will know exactly what I'm talking about.
	And he was probably targeted with all kinds of stuff during the years when he was undergoing the trial and the whole lead up to the trial, etc., etc.
	So, you know, I appreciate we need to sort of stay on point with your film.
	But these are just some of the things that go into the story that actually...
	You know, legitimize things.
	In other words, I get death threats.
	That should tell you that I'm not lying.
	If it tells you anything, because why would people, you know, especially CIA agents and everything, be giving me death threats unless I'm hitting a nerve.
	I'm telling the truth about something they don't want out there.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I definitely do.
	To be honest, though, I also do believe that some people, like, for example, we talked about John Mack, how he tried to study abduction, and the dean, Dan Tostiston, like, tried to squash it.
	I think that was his last name.
	Tostiston?
	It's hard to pronounce.
	But that's a person who I believe just really was so close-minded that That he tried to suppress John Mack.
	That's another thing.
	There's people that are just not into it.
	And they will do these things, like maybe even threaten your life because they're so...
	For example, Travis Walton in the 70s was constantly heckled and people threw shit at him.
	Sorry, I don't know if I could curse on you.
	And I'm sure he got threats a lot.
	And these were just people from his town that thought he was lying or didn't like the idea of aliens.
	Well, keep in mind that these people could easily be being abducted themselves and they're triggered by a truth teller.
	Possibly.
	This does happen.
	So psychologically, if somebody out there is talking about something you're trying to keep secret, sometimes your Pavlovian response is to attack.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, psychologists will tell you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So it's tough.
	You're dealing with people who want to suppress it.
	And they don't even know they want to suppress it?
	Right.
	They don't know that's what they're doing.
	They don't know they're in denial.
	Right.
	I mean, we're talking about, you know, a huge area of non-acknowledgement in our society.
	And the pedophilia situation is a similar type.
	Hotbed, you might call it a hot button, you know, where people are just freaked out by the whole mention of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	Yeah, there's a lot of pedophilia scare right now, especially amongst the YouTube conservatives, as I call them.
	But, you know, it's out there.
	I mean, Ashton Kutcher's software just identified thousands of trafficked children, rescued about 100 of them.
	I mean, it's definitely a thing.
	I just think people are kind of getting crazy with it.
	These Q followers calling Spielberg a pedo and all that.
	It's getting a little overboard.
	It's hard to say who's involved and who isn't.
	It is true that there is a lot of...
	It's almost like what you call the red-baiting You know, in the time of communism, it's getting to be like that.
	So that is a problem.
	And I just want to pause right here because I'm noticing that we're having some issues with our video all of a sudden because we're mentioning some stuff.
	And I also want to say, I hope this is going out there, but that actually, you know, YouTube has this way of They can actually mark a video before it's even gotten done by me as not advertiser worthy, which means it's not going to make any money or they think it's not.
	And then I have to appeal it and I have to make them actually watch it.
	Believe it or not, this video right now Is deemed unworthy?
	Is deemed unworthy.
	What do you want me to do?
	You want me to juggle some stuff?
	You want me to do some jumping jacks YouTube?
	What do you want from us?
	And yet, this is very revealing because...
	And we are having some weird issues here.
	I'm really hoping this is working.
	What do they want, a UFO to fly back in the background behind my head?
	No, it actually is funny because, you see, they're not supposed to be telling you that this is a dangerous topic because that lends credibility to it.
	Do you understand?
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	So it's very interesting what's happening.
	And I can tell you this evening, before we even went live, They already marked my video.
	All it was said is a documentary about objections, right?
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And that they said it was, you know, not advertiser worthy.
	So I will, of course, appeal it the minute I get off the air here and so on.
	And this is the kind of nonsense that goes on.
	But one thing it does tell you is that, look, they're afraid.
	They're afraid of the truth getting out there.
	If this was nonsense, they would love it.
	They would never have a problem advertising it.
	It'd be like whiskey or vodka or whatever it is.
	Cigarettes.
	They'll be happy to have you mess up your head with anything and everything.
	That's a lie.
	That's fake.
	But tell the truth and they're They get paranoid, and that should be testimony enough to tell people that, hey, this video is worth watching.
	We are going to be talking about something that is, woo, the truth.
	I just want to be entertaining.
	This whole film that we just did, I just hope it entertains people.
	I mean, yeah, we want to convince people, obviously.
	That's the main goal.
	But I'll settle with just being entertained.
	You know, if you're a person who did not believe in this stuff at all, thought it was BS, and then you watch the film and you still don't believe, but you were entertained, I'm happy.
	I mean...
	I've been trying to convince people that aliens are real for too long, and it's just exhausting, as you may know.
	Sure.
	Because I've never been abducted, so I can't tell you for a fact that it's real, but I'm just at a point where I've heard so many stories.
	I worked on that Citizen Hearing and watched it a number of times, and at that point, When you hear these military high-ranking people, including a Minister of Defense of Canada, when you hear these people say, yeah, there's a UFO situation, we're covering it up, I mean, if you don't believe at that point, you've just got to be brain dead or something.
	I just think people are not aware that these stories are out there, and that's never going to change.
	I really do believe, and now if you want to talk about Stephen Bassett, I love the guy.
	Seriously, I think he's a great guy.
	I don't honestly know if the government would ever come out and admit that they've been hiding stuff.
	I don't see it happening, to be honest.
	That's interesting.
	Well, it may not be their choice completely.
	The bottom line is that we have military that want the truth out, and we have military that simply don't want the truth out.
	And so the good thing is there's a split at the top where people like me would never see the light of day, in essence.
	And in your case, you guys toe the line to such a degree that it may be that you're all right.
	You're basically playing both sides of the story and you're...
	Hopefully.
	You're doing an acceptable level of disclosure, although I imagine the Phil Schneider story probably rubbed a few people the wrong way.
	Well, you know, Phil is just such an amazing story, just for so many reasons.
	But with this film, yeah.
	Another thing that I knew people would probably take an issue with is the fact that if you watch a lot of documentaries, you will notice that both sides are interviewed usually.
	You will get the accused and the accuser.
	We don't really interview anyone in this film that doesn't believe.
	The reason for that is look around.
	Everyone doesn't believe.
	You could throw a rock and hit 10 people that don't believe.
	I think we've heard enough from the non-believers.
	That's why we kind of figured, let's just throw it all out on the table.
	But I think where we do kind of seem a little, I guess, I don't know.
	I think the fact that we call attention to certain events that we don't think are legitimate, that's about as on the fence as this film is going to get.
	Saying that Billy Meyers' picture is fake is about all the opposition you're going to get in the film.
	But again, I just think that it's time for that.
	We've had years of non-believing.
	It's worth saying that it's not really about belief.
	I know people like to use that word.
	But the bottom line is, it's really more of a knowing.
	If you do your homework and you spend enough time investigating, sooner or later, I basically say, when you have a court case, you look at the evidence and you decide the person's guilty or innocent.
	We've been looking at this information and getting evidence, which is way beyond the pale, for so many years.
	And top military witnesses and, you know, people in authority in all levels and very credible witnesses.
	The bottom line is there's plenty of evidence out there.
	All you have to do is look at it and...
	And put the case together.
	And if this was court of law, we would have won a long time ago.
	So I just have to say that, you know, they convict people of murder, throw them in prison for the rest of their life based on 12 people and some evidence they get in a courtroom.
	What are they doing in this case when the future of humanity is at stake?
	I mean, people don't realize what they're really dealing with.
	They're closing their eyes to possibly...
	Being invaded by another maybe not entirely friendly species.
	And this is, you know, their children's lives are at risk.
	The planet, the life, you know, our future on the planet is at risk.
	And the military understands these dangers.
	Whether you like it or not, whether you think...
	Aliens are good or...
	Many planets in Galilee.
	I mean, scientists nowadays are saying there are thousands of Earth-like planets out there.
	Well, what could...
	Too stupid.
	You must realize that the chances are astronomical that there are other races and many, many, many of them.
	And do you think they're going to be all friendly?
	Are all humans friendly?
	You know, do all countries get along with each other?
	Do they have ulterior motives?
	Do they have modus operandi agendas?
	You know, people are, in my view, they're stupid.
	I mean, that's the bottom line.
	It's stupidity and they're in denial.
	And being in denial is a huge part of it.
	The reality is the evidence is absolutely unbelievable.
	And there's so much of it.
	And I can tell you, I've interviewed thousands of people by now.
	I can tell you that this story is so real.
	It's a lot more real than some of the other stuff that people spend their days doing and what they're doing with their time.
	And possibly more important, too.
	I mean, if it's real, it's the most important thing ever.
	Absolutely.
	So now what I'd like to do is look at the chat and see if we've got anybody who has questions for you.
	Oh, boy.
	Hopefully nobody's hating me too hard.
	No, I think you're doing a great job.
	I mean, I think we just lost picture, but other than that, now it's coming back.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Do what you got to do.
	No, no, go right ahead.
	Well, I saw an interview with you years ago that you did with Stephen Greer, where you kind of debated him.
	That was such a great interview, by the way.
	I love it.
	Where, you know, his stance is that they're all benevolent, your stance is that they can't all be benevolent.
	I just think if you look at all the stories that are out there, and the fact that aliens have not revealed themselves, don't you think that means that they don't want to be revealed?
	Don't you think that means that maybe they're the ones covering themselves up?
	Some of them.
	Possibly.
	Maybe.
	Well, I think it's highly possible.
	I do know that the cover-up, the government wants to rule by secrecy.
	The aliens do the same thing to humans.
	They rule by secrecy.
	Why not?
	Why would you want to be known if you were ruling?
	Or like I said before, with the experiment, if you're experimenting on someone, you don't want them to know, or else they'd opt out.
	Or maybe the experiment wouldn't be doable anymore.
	Right.
	That's correct.
	I mean, there is some of that in there, but the bottom line is now what's happening, the word on the street in this sort of alien situation, is that a lot of the ETs have had it, and they are...
	They are ready to disclose.
	They are ready to come forward.
	And so the military is filling the push.
	They basically have to disclose at this point.
	And there's a huge gap in our society.
	We have a certain number of people who are completely in the dark, completely in denial.
	And there's technology that people want released.
	It can't be released until people realize that we've reverse engineered and gotten some of this technology elsewhere, that we can travel the stars, go interstellar, etc.
	So these are things that they have to bring to the fore.
	And then there's the culpability because...
	If people have been abducted and it begins to be revealed, then the military is responsible.
	Since the time of Eisenhower, they made a deal with the devil in exchange for technology.
	That's what I wanted to ask you about.
	I just remembered something I wanted to ask you about.
	You remember when Richard Dolan and those guys interviewed the CIA deathbed guy?
	Have you seen that?
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	I actually put it on my site and have made a very big thing of it.
	What do you think about what that guy said?
	Because what he said kind of conflicts with the Eisenhower treaty theory, right?
	Because he said Eisenhower was not in the know about Area 51 and wanted to invade it with this guy.
	What do you think about that?
	I think that's a contradiction.
	Eisenhower wanted to do the invasion because he was in the know.
	You understand?
	Yeah, he's in general.
	I mean, the bottom line is we have documented evidence.
	There are certain people who have brought it forward of what happened in Rear Rock back in the day when Eisenhower met with actually not just one group of aliens, but more than one.
	There's a lot of testimony to this effect.
	All I can say is that he was in the know now.
	What's important to realize when you're getting a testimony from somebody that is an agent This guy's an agent, okay, who's about to die.
	He's, and I guess I think he's died since then.
	He, everyone assumes agents know everything.
	They don't know everything, okay?
	They're read into a degree of whatever their sort of need to know is, as you've heard that phrase.
	And they may have conflicting information because they've been told lies by the people that are handling them.
	Sure.
	And I have witnessed this, okay?
	I know some agents that even now will tell me lies to my face that they think are real because this is what they have been taught by their superiors and they believe them.
	It's always really interesting to me that they believe what they're told, even though they know that they live in the world of lies.
	And so this is really, you know, this is a can of worms and the sort of levels of responsibility, all the layers of the onion, as Richard Hoagland would say, you know, go really deep.
	deep.
	So on one level, you've got a semi lie on the next level, you've got a bit of truth.
	And then on the next level, you've got another lie to hide that truth and so on and so forth.
	So agents are dealing in the world just like we are, they're dealing with what they're told, and they can easily be misled, because they have to believe the people they've sort of turned their lives over to, Right? - Yeah.
	And, you know, I mean, Rick Doty will tell you right now that he's a...
	He's planted...
	Is that Darcy calling you?
	Um, actually, I don't know what that is.
	So, uh...
	It sounds like...
	I think Darcy's calling you.
	I'm not sure White would be calling me on the phone.
	Maybe you should text him or something.
	Um...
	I do get phone calls from all kinds of people at all kinds of times.
	I think I can add him.
	Do you want me to add him?
	He just said I'm ready.
	Okay, let me see if I can add him.
	So let me get out of this.
	No problem.
	I might be able to do this.
	Hold on one second here.
	Although I don't know his Skype name.
	It's just his name, Darcy Weir.
	Okay, all in one with a space or not?
	No space.
	Just all in one.
	Yep.
	All right.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me see if I can add him to this call.
	D-Man, we're coming in hot.
	Hopefully.
	It's weird.
	It doesn't...
	I wonder if I called you or you called me.
	Hold on one second.
	Let me see if I can add it.
	I just tried to add them.
	Darcy, you there?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	My brother, Carrie, you still there?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Party time.
	Hello.
	Okay, so Darcy.
	Okay, cool.
	So we've got you.
	Let me see if I can bring you in.
	There you are.
	Excellent.
	Can you hear me?
	Yep.
	Loud and clear.
	Very good.
	So everyone, this is Darcy Weir, and he's one of the filmmakers.
	So we're going to let Lee Lustig get off the hot seat for a bit here and put Darcy in his place.
	Although you certainly can jump in whenever you want, Lee.
	So Darcy, lovely to see you and we're really hot and heavy into this story and into your documentary.
	We've covered a lot of ground, I would say.
	And we've got a chat room going pretty thick here.
	I was just about to ask people to ask questions.
	But before we do that, would you like to have a statement?
	Talk about your documentary, why you got into doing this particular one, what your take was, how you approached it, that sort of thing.
	Sure.
	I think...
	This topic has been something Lee and I wanted to tackle since we started making films together quite some time ago.
	we just didn't know how to go about making that story.
	And, um, and to you on your, um, you know, I was reaching out to say, Hey, we're telling people that, this film we've just released and you know kind of straight away
	I agree with the way you guys did but people that are already interested in this field um And, you know, you're a user for probably 20 years or something like that.
	I got into this when I was around 20.
	And that's 14 years ago.
	But I actually started Following this whole subject because of people like you, Carrie.
	I was switched on to Project Camelot through a friend, and I started looking at all the interviews and testimony from people that you had traveled to speak with, Bill, some time ago.
	So I'm quite...
	I love to delve into the nitty gritty of so many different events and interesting aspects of the supposed abduction phenomenon.
	But I think what was important for Lee and I was to make a film that was understood by the masses and kind of a chronological and intelligible story to why this even was a thing and possibly still is a thing today.
	There's still people that say, That they're being abducted.
	And maybe there's lesser people saying, or we just don't hear about it as often.
	Because news is noise, and it's really hard to filter through that noise to find the nuggets of truth.
	Okay, well, and just let me say, Lee, and this goes for both of you, alternate...
	Lee, if someone else is talking, go ahead and mute yourself because we're going to have a little interference because we've got several people on the call here.
	And I am keeping my camera off because the bandwidth is not supporting this at this moment.
	But at any rate, it's great to have you on the show, Darcy.
	Yeah, I mean, we have sort of run this down with Lee.
	You're at a disadvantage because you're joining the show a bit.
	And I understand, you know, you had some personal issues, had to come in late.
	But the bottom line is that I appreciate hearing your, you know, kind of your approach.
	And as I said in my email, and I think that we've said tonight, is that you guys had choices to make.
	And you did decide to approach this from the point of view of someone who might not Agree with abductions being real, that you were really delving into whether, you know, the evidence on both sides of the spectrum, more or less, and some of the other things going on.
	And so you're really kind of going down a, what I call the rudimentary or, you know, just opening the box, so to speak.
	Now, as far as abductions, they're still going on.
	And actually, there's not less people.
	There's more people being abducted.
	And there's more people coming forward as well.
	And at least from my perspective, you know, Camelot is kind of a centralized hub.
	And so this is what I hear out there.
	And I was telling Lee that people don't realize it, but...
	All the whistleblowers I've interviewed, a lot of them have worked for the Secret Space Program and almost every single one of them has ET contact on top of their work for the Secret Space Program.
	And many times before they ever were recruited into the Secret Space Program.
	And it's not just like 60-40, it's more like 90% of the people I've interviewed.
	These are whistleblowers who have come forward and have worked behind the scenes for many, many years.
	It's a very complex story that you guys were attempting to start and, you know, to open the dialogue.
	I do appreciate that.
	And, you know, we've highlighted here in this discussion several of the really good things that you brought up, including this particularly interesting so-called hoaxed film.
	And I'm afraid I don't remember that filmmaker's name.
	That was Dean Alioto.
	Yeah, it's just...
	It's a little bit weird that we went that direction.
	But again, you know, that's the story or that's the case that a lot of people got introduced to abduction through was this fake case, you know, so it kind of did a lot of good.
	It wasn't all malicious and Dean never intended to fool anybody.
	But Yeah, we wanted to crack it open because, like Darcy said, you might not hear as much about abduction these days.
	I think he was more getting at, like, media attention.
	I hope people are still getting at it.
	Well, I mean, not that I hope, but I'm assuming it's still going on if it did at one point.
	But there's definitely not media attention like there was in the early 90s or late 80s.
	So...
	There's been kind of a clampdown in the media in so many areas of our society.
	The media is so bought and paid for at this point.
	That you rarely get any truth in the media, let alone about anything to do with E.T., secret space, or off-world stuff.
	Although it does leak through every now and again.
	Steven Spielberg obviously sort of broke that story open, at least in terms of films, and it does sneak in films every once in a while.
	There was a film not too long ago, forgetting the name of it, but it did show an abduction.
	And, you know, there have been other ones as well.
	All I can say is I was talking about a recent witness that I have been interviewing and I'm working to get made into a movie, but the dialogue needs to be reopened.
	People are still out there.
	They are being regressed.
	They are coming forward.
	The alternative sector is full of abduction stories.
	John Mack certainly did break open the story to the mainstream, I think, if anyone did.
	And then after he died, I think that things quieted down.
	Whitley Strieber is still out there pounding the pavement, so to speak.
	He wrote the book Communion.
	That was a huge breakthrough in terms of abduction stories and research.
	And, you know, the list goes on.
	Taken, Steven Spielberg made a series, a TV series that was very well received.
	It's called Taken.
	If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
	I think you have to buy it in order to watch it, but you can try to get it on Amazon or Netflix.
	I bought it in order to watch it.
	There's something called Dark Skies that was out around the time of the X-Files, which got overlooked a bit.
	But it was an excellent series.
	A bit over the top, you know, but the more you learn about the subject matter, the less it seems over the top, which is kind of scary in itself.
	But nonetheless, you know, you can purchase Dark Skies.
	And I don't mean the more recent.
	It was called something like Dark Something.
	There was a recent E.T. thing, you know, about these spider beings, whatever.
	That was on a television series that was out in the last few years.
	So yeah, I mean, for sure, individuals coming forward.
	I think Travis Walton might have been one of the last people that came forward, sort of saying in public that he was abducted.
	And what happened to him was so, you know, sort of Awful and gruesome.
	You know, what he's had to live through has been very difficult.
	You know, the issues...
	I mean, the abduction itself was apparently not gruesome, though.
	I mean, he...
	Claims that the film was way off, and in our film, he actually talks about getting the script for Fire in the Sky and it not having those horror movie scenes in them, because apparently they knew he wouldn't be okay with it.
	That's what he says, at least.
	Right.
	Well, I don't know what, you know, when I said, I was talking about how the public treated you.
	Oh, the ridicule.
	The ridicule factor, which is always, you know, a huge issue out there.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was just saying, also, one of my questions, Darcy, was why you guys didn't spend a little more time.
	I don't know if Roger Lear, the doctor who removes implants, had, you know, died by the time you made the film or not.
	I actually knew Roger Lear from the local Los Angeles division of ET Media, which is helmed by Stephen Bassett.
	We used to have these meetings, and I met Lear, and I told him, I was like, you are the first person that Letting me know aliens are out there.
	I remember as a kid in the early 90s, there was a news story about Roger Lear removing alien implants.
	I remember saying to my mom or dad, I was like, what is this?
	Is this really from an alien?
	And they were like, I don't know.
	But he was my real introduction into this thing as a serious phenomenon.
	So that's really weird.
	I told him that.
	You got a chuckle out of that.
	But, no, he passed away, I think, a few years ago.
	There's another guy, Daryl Sims, who I've had on my show a number of times, so people are interested.
	He's something of an expert.
	Like Roger Lear, he does remove implants, or at least takes people, you know, to a doctor.
	But he has a whole stance.
	He's been trained to deal with...
	Various things to do with ET contact, and he's also, I think, a regressionist.
	And so this is another aspect of the whole story.
	In other words, the one thing is the implants.
	The other thing, and like I said, Daryl Sims has dealt with implants a lot, has lots of evidence in that regard.
	If you're not familiar with him, I highly recommend my interviews with him.
	He's got his own website and so on and so forth.
	But, you know, obviously this is the first rendition.
	Darcy, you had mentioned that you plan to do some more along these lines.
	You want to talk about that?
	Well, yeah, I mean, it's If we were to go into other subjects or other people that had made these claims of abduction, there's a famous British politician that in the past, you know, 10 years has said that he was abducted by aliens when he was a child and contacted, and he's pretty up there in the actual...
	he's part of the labor council or something in the UK.
	Are you talking about Simon Parks?
	Yeah, Simon Parks.
	I talk to him all the time and he's a friend.
	I interview him a number of times.
	You can see those interviews on my site.
	Highly recommend it.
	I'm not sure that he considers himself an abductee so much as, he actually believes he's part-manted.
	So he's a contactee then.
	Yes.
	Or a hybrid, I guess you would say.
	Possibly.
	There's also the former president of Japan, his first lady, she claimed she was abducted.
	We'd love to try and get in touch with her and discuss her abduction case.
	That kind of became prevalent back in September of 2009.
	You know, Jaime Maussan, he's covered quite a few cases in South America where even two teenagers on video, it was caught, a pretty controversial video of them playing sort of soccer in an alleyway.
	Some sort of almond-shaped, almond-eyed-shaped humanoid steps out from behind this pole that's, you know, probably this thick.
	Somehow this slender creature is able to fit behind that and tries to grab the teenager and pull him, but he gets away and then you see its head pop around, look at them again, and Just seemingly sort of nefarious or strange abduction attempts that have happened around the world.
	Because, you know, the phenomenon doesn't just...
	It's not isolated to America, right?
	It's not just an American thing.
	Absolutely.
	Here in Canada, there's been lots of claims that people have said they've been abducted.
	And, you know...
	Back in the 70s, there was a Brazilian man that said he saw UFO land, and he, for whatever reason, got it in the idea he would run and greet these beings that he saw around the ship.
	And he got shot in the leg, and this was recorded in...
	Sort of hospital records of the time and police records.
	He had this sort of triangular shaped burn on his leg.
	And he claimed that he was shot when he approached the craft and his beings, you know, got back in and took off.
	And so there's all kinds of...
	What was his name?
	I have...
	That in my notes, I'm not going to say what his name is right now, but there's interesting cases.
	Yeah, you know, there's supposed to be a relative of, I think it might be President Trump, who is in the political scene in Washington, a woman, and I think she was from Florida, I'm not sure.
	Anyway, she has come forward as a political candidate here in the United States and said that she was...
	I'm not sure whether she calls it abduction or not.
	Anyway, I don't remember her name or anything.
	Certainly, there are zillions of stories along these lines.
	You have Your work cut out for you if you're going to make a documentary on abduction, no doubt.
	So any high points for you in the making of the documentary before we kind of turn it over?
	Because we have actually been talking for a while over here to Lee, and I do want to give the people in the chat a chance to ask you guys questions.
	But anything before we do that, Darcy, in terms of High points for yourself in terms of making your documentary.
	I just felt super privileged to sit down with people like Sten Friedman, who's a forefather of this whole field, a very A brave man, you know, a traditional scientist from physicists and nuclear science to,
	you know, studying this phenomenon, it's interesting that he would expose himself and challenge, you know, the paradigm, the sort of truth embargo, as Stephen Bassett would say.
	Put his neck out there and his reputation to say, this is real and this is something people should look at.
	Stop just being hypnotized by sports and video games and the politics and whatever else we're worrying about.
	Try and look upwards and realize we're not alone.
	Or look inward, too.
	Inwards and upwards.
	I think either way, you're not going to be like...
	You're not alone in this subject if you think that people that are high profile, like Stephen Bassett or Stanton Friedman, are still going to spend the rest of their life talking about this stuff.
	And...
	That was a high point.
	I've always liked these guys and studied what they had to say.
	We're living with...
	It's the Trump era right now, and these are scary times.
	Government shut down, all kinds of national security sort of...
	Talk about threats and stuff like that and I feel like the whole world is on the brink of war.
	You've got Russia and China being labeled as enemies of the United States and Canada is, you know, standing beside you and I feel like we're creating a world where we're becoming more isolated, more xenophobic and And this stuff really doesn't get paid attention to at all.
	But if you look at it on a greater scale, if we're not alone, then why are we treating each other like we are?
	And why, like, if, let's say Hillary was in office right now.
	What if John Podesta was her right-hand man?
	We know that he was instrumental in the citizen hearings and stuff like that.
	And he's even gone on record that he would fight for full disclosure or more releases from the American government, the military and what have you, on what's really truly happening in our skies and around our planet.
	And it gives me a great pause to think that You know, there's people out there that are instrumental in trying to bring this greater truth to everyone.
	And if we and I are doing a small part in that by creating these documentaries that are interesting and accessible for people to understand what this whole thing is about, Because, you know, the subject is so broad.
	You've got people talking about UFOs, but you've also got people talking about the occupants and then people saying that they've been on these craft and they've been taken away off planet and so on and so forth.
	You know, Billy Meyer, all kinds of fans of Lee's.
	What, like...
	You just basically have to think that this is a subject that shouldn't be ignored, in my opinion.
	And it's going to be ignored more than ever right now, right?
	It is.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	And I think if we're going to keep telling these stories, it's going to be beneficial to people if one day...
	Some of this becomes released as true.
	It will change mankind.
	Absolutely.
	Well, that's great.
	And everyone does their bit, you know, especially in the alternative area.
	So it's, you know, it's great that you guys are working in this regard and, uh, What I'd like to do now is take some questions from the chat.
	So if you guys don't mind, if anyone listening, we've got a pretty active chat room here.
	So I guess there's one person saying, you say the subject is so broad.
	Do you think there is one agenda or many and are they related?
	You guys could take your shot at that question or one of you can answer whichever.
	Darcy, you want to or you want me to?
	Well, I'll say, of course, there's got to be multiple agendas.
	If you think about disclosure with a capital D, where everybody in the world starts getting the news from their governments and the powers that be that we're definitely not alone and there's some Baddies out there.
	There's some goodies.
	You know, there's people that will complain.
	There are people that are saying that there's no such thing as bad ET. I don't know.
	But we do have, like, you know, we've heard of accounts where things sometimes sounded malevolent and not completely benevolent.
	But I would say that there's obviously money involved.
	There's Corporate interests, there's national security interests to the economy on a global and regional scale.
	If you think about free energy or other forms of energy from fossil fuel, you're thinking of industries shutting down and therefore people being out of jobs and the Great families in the world that own these corporations not having as much control over basically the world.
	If they control the money, they control everything.
	Yeah, there has to be more than one agenda.
	I mean, when you look at how different These stories are from each other.
	For example, some people are abducted, some people aren't.
	They just find a crashed ship, or we shot down a ship, or a craft landed.
	I mean, there's so many different types of cases.
	And then the humans obviously have multiple agendas, I'm sure.
	So yeah, it's a mess.
	I guarantee it's just a big mess.
	Sure.
	Okay, let's see if there's anybody else who...
	I'm just scanning.
	If you guys want to ask a question of these two filmmakers, this is your opportunity.
	Put your questions in all caps if you don't mind.
	And it's easier if you type it like now as opposed to like half hour ago because it's kind of hard for me to go back into the chat to find a question.
	Um, so it's easier if you just type it again.
	Uh, and I'm hoping this looks like we have some weird stuff going on here.
	I'll take weird.
	Weird is cool.
	No, I I'm talking about technically, technically weird things, things, uh, having some interference things.
	Uh, the, the connection is, uh, seems to be freaking out a bit.
	So I have to be really careful in scanning these, uh, Oh boy.
	This chat thing.
	YouTube is a delicate flower.
	Yeah, right.
	And it's just crazy what's going on here.
	I guess we're having some other things going on on my computer.
	Alright, so let me see if I can...
	Oh shit.
	Just one second here.
	Alright, well maybe this isn't going to work so much.
	Hold on one second.
	I'm going to see if there's anything in there.
	So it looks like, I don't know, these people are talking about Hillary and Podesta.
	It doesn't really relate to our conversation exactly.
	Darcy brought it up briefly, yeah.
	All right.
	Hey, they had more of a chance of revealing ETs than Trump does, that's for sure.
	And you know what's really funny is that there's a group of people, I know you guys are out there, who really think...
	That Donald Trump, maybe not now, but when he was running and as soon as he won, there were people that really thought he was going to disclose free energy.
	Now, this is a guy who wants to build a wall.
	Because he doesn't like Mexicans.
	Do you think he's going to be down with aliens?
	Well, actually, wait right there, because as far as I'm concerned, that's not why he wants to build the wall.
	First of all, I think it's a cover story, and I think that there may be an alien contingent to why he might want to build the wall, which actually has to do with the alien-human hybrid program.
	And I'll tell you my logic and you can, you know, think what you want about it.
	But if you really study the abduction phenomena, you find that South America and Latin America are a big focal point.
	And what happened was the United States military kind of limited or tried to limit the gray abducting humans in after a certain number of years here in the United States, but they let Let them go down to South America and Latin America and have a free-for-all.
	And Jaime Masson is one of the people who's documented the sky being covered with UFOs.
	And I can tell you that it appears that they concentrated on that particular It's a racial bloodline, and there's a reason for that having to do with being a root race, closer to a root race that has to do with the Indian, the natural, the Native American line that goes through the Latin American peoples.
	And in essence, they look for a very strong, you know, when you do, if you know anything about genetic engineering, You have to look for a very strong sort of host, if you will, to make your genetic splicing and all that.
	We are hybrids, all of us, and various hybrids in various degrees.
	So this is the kind of thing where they did do a lot of this in South America and Latin America.
	the wall may in part be to keep some of the alien human hybrids out.
	And this is a controversial idea, but you need to read the recent book by David Jacobs, if you don't agree with me and see what he has to say all about how successful the gray human hybrid program has been and how they train, that if you don't agree with me and see what he has to say all about how successful the gray human hybrid program has
	And they are doing this and they're doing it under the coaching of their gray sort of masters and possibly the reptilians as well.
	So this is just one aspect of why, you know, in other words, it's like the TSA scanners in airports.
	This is not necessarily a human story.
	It's not...
	You got to...
	Ultimately, if you realize that we are being invaded and that we've been invaded going back centuries by various ET races, that the ETs have been here, they're among us, and you can also look at Torchwood.
	We were told in Project Hamlet by an investigator in Britain who has since died, Tony Dodd, who was in the upper echelon of the British...
	Sort of had ties to the crown and so on.
	And high level people in the power positions in Britain.
	He contacted us secretly while he was still alive.
	He's passed on now.
	And said that Torchwood was real.
	And this is when the British Torchwood, there was an American version of Torchwood that was done.
	But he said Torchwood is real and that if we put that out there that we could have our lives in danger.
	We put it out there anyway.
	We survived.
	But obviously, but you know, I mean he would not have risked his life to tell us this.
	He is a very interesting man and very highly regarded.
	Great reputation.
	And basically this is what's going on.
	So I mean, people don't really understand what the Trump administration is doing, but I can tell you that a lot of what is going on is being backed by a section of the Navy.
	Navy runs the whole ET contact sort of situation on planet Earth, Navy Intel.
	And so, you know, you can take it or leave it.
	What I'm saying, you may not like it, you may not agree with it, but you can look for the evidence, and I've interviewed people in this regard.
	I can tell you this goes way down the rabbit hole in terms of...
	In other words, there's also the Chinese invading America, and this is real.
	They have plans to invade America.
	I've had testimony to this degree.
	That they have troops in underground bases in Mexico.
	So the wall may be a lot different than what Trump is ostensibly telling people.
	He's been painted as a bigot.
	He is a great actor.
	He's a showman.
	He was put in position to be the showman that he is.
	What the real agenda is, we don't necessarily know.
	Well, I can tell you that it has to involve dividing the country and conquering because that, I mean, whether you like the guy or hate the guy, you've got to admit he's doing nothing to keep peace amongst liberals and non-liberals.
	Well, I think you need to look at the Democrats for that because the Democrats are backing Hillary and the pedophiles and they don't even know it.
	So, you know, we have to get into who's really causing the dissension.
	Is it Trump or is it the faction that's trying to remove him?
	Good question, I guess.
	I can't argue with it.
	So I'm just throwing these things out.
	Okay, so to get back to the topic at hand, and let me see if there's anything else in the chat that might, any burning questions on the part of our listeners.
	And Darcy, jump in when you like and say, you know, see...
	It says some people are taking issue with, I guess, Billy Meyer.
	And, you know, that's a little can of worms.
	But anyway, do you guys want to say anything about Billy Meyer?
	And some people say his photographic evidence is not fake.
	Okay.
	So I was into Billy Meyer for a while.
	Read his books.
	Read his writings.
	And I have no idea if he is for real or not.
	I have no idea.
	I put him in the gray area.
	The photos, I'm 99.8% sure they're fake.
	Because where else are there photos like this of craft hovering?
	First of all, they're always connected to like a tree or a house.
	They're never really hovering.
	But where else are we seeing photos like this?
	There can't just be one person with this evidence.
	That blows my mind that that would happen.
	The other thing is, the guy has done so many things to shoot himself in the foot, like the dinosaur photos.
	I don't know if your listeners are aware of this, but he had photos that he claimed he took from a window of a beam ship, Pleiadian ship, And there was a dinosaur in it.
	And then someone found the textbook that he photographed.
	He just took a picture of a dinosaur drawing.
	So that right there is just like, it's hard to come back from that sort of thing.
	Another good example that's a lot like Billy Meyer that I put in the gray area, Darcy's going to laugh when I say this, is Stan Romanek.
	I have no idea what to make of Stan Romanek.
	I think there's a lot of material that guy's put forth that is so strong.
	I mean, these videos of orbs flying through the house, stuff like that is so strong.
	Then there's stuff that is really not strong that I guarantee is fake, like the picture of an alien in the back of his barbecue that looked like CGI from 1999, or him flicking the pen and then saying he did that to discredit himself.
	That guy's a mess.
	I have no idea what to make of him, but I don't discount him entirely.
	He's in the gray area.
	Billy Meyer's in that area, too.
	Sometimes I think it's possible that people might be telling the truth, but they go too far with trying to prove it, and now they have this fake stuff out there, and now it's dead.
	So I don't know.
	Yeah, it's also very complex because you can keep in mind that the CIA does want to disinfo these people.
	So even photographs that you may have analyzed or think you've analyzed might not be the actual photograph.
	As it happens, Project Hamlet went to Billy Meyer's land.
	We saw the photographs in the book.
	The real photographs, in other words.
	And I can tell you that I had a very, you know, Pleiadian experience on the land, as did George Green, by the way.
	George Green was brought out there by the Pleiadians.
	There was a letter that they received.
	They first sent him away.
	They wouldn't let us in either.
	And then we both had very interesting sort of experiences that were Completely sort of out in left field.
	You can read about or watch my interviews with George Green to find out more and, you know, read the books, etc.
	So these are complex stories.
	But one thing that always seems to happen is that the CIA does get into the mix.
	And you never know at what point the government started interfering and messing with stuff.
	So...
	Evidence and otherwise.
	Anything you want to say about this, Darcy?
	In terms of gray area, I guess you had mentioned in the email that...
	I don't know if this is retreading some of the stuff I might have missed from earlier, but the credibility of Eisenhower having a secret pact with...
	You know, off-world beings and, you know, the truth of that, right?
	We did talk about that, yeah.
	Did you talk about the CIA agent who was on his deathbed?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would just say like that story is definitely going to be in the gray area for me as well because we've got an opinion That Eisenhower had a pact.
	And then we've got somebody on their deathbed that apparently worked for Eisenhower.
	Well, we have that for the former as well.
	There are people that claim they were there for the pact.
	Right.
	So it's just conflicting stories is what it is.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think there's a misinterpretation also.
	I mentioned it already with regard to the CIA agents.
	If he said, you know, first of all, agents lie.
	This is part of what they do.
	So he's going to protect the president on some level.
	But I can tell you that Eisenhower sent him in to go to Dulce.
	So he certainly was aware of Area 51 and Dulce.
	Otherwise, he wouldn't send him in.
	And Mark Richards is very instrumental in this story as well because he and his father were the ones sent in to battle the aliens at Dulce.
	And I've been interviewing Mark Richards for several years now and have done nine interviews with him.
	His wife, Joanne, is also on the circuit talking all about his evidence and his information.
	And his father and grandfather were also instrumental in the secret space program, and he has a history along those lines.
	So this, you know, it does all get very complicated.
	And certainly, as you said, I think it was Lee that was mentioning Adamski's stories.
	Some of this stuff also gets misinterpreted and related wrong.
	And I see this happening all the time where people take information and sort of kind of get it asked backwards, so to speak.
	Did I do that with Adamski?
	I didn't.
	Did I get his thing wrong?
	I thought he was an abductee that also had these photos.
	No, I wasn't saying that.
	I was just talking in general terms, not literally about Adamski.
	I've noticed how if you actually read what the individual actually wrote and things like that, you'll get a different picture than sometimes what's out in the media.
	Now, I think that I don't see any other questions really coming through.
	I'm sort of scanning here.
	You guys did a documentary on Phil Schneider and someone here is asking Darcy if any new information came through on Phil Schneider or the Dulce base.
	No one has reached out to us and given us Further information that even Phil Schneider's story could be, you know, considered in the gray area because there's conflicting stories about Dulce, New Mexico.
	We do know that Los Alamos is, you know, there's an underground base research facility there.
	We know about NORAD. We know about Just New Mexico, having a military presence, lots of UFO sightings, cattle mutilations, Phil Schneider's story, and all kinds of other stories that come from that area.
	But in terms of new stuff, no.
	I'd be happy to take new stuff if anybody ever wanted to reach out to me, or to me.
	Well, two things.
	First of all, Carrie, it sounds like you're talking to people every day that have some Dulce involvement.
	So there's obviously people out there that we didn't cover.
	So don't take us as the final word on this thing.
	But when Darcy and I went to UFO Congress last year, I met a woman.
	I'm sure I have her card.
	I'm an idiot for not remembering her name.
	But we were talking and she gives tours out there.
	In the Archuleta Mesa.
	And she had this banner, you know, Dulse tours.
	And of course she has seen tons of stuff.
	UFOs, black helicopters, whatever.
	So there's definitely supposedly weird paranormal happenings over there still.
	And if that is true, then there has to be someone looking into it.
	You know what I mean?
	Um...
	So I think it's possible.
	Yeah, Phil Schneider, we might never know if he was the real deal, but there was so much about his story that is very credible.
	Well, how about how he was killed?
	Right, that's a big thing.
	I mean, he didn't kill himself.
	He was obviously killed.
	His father had involvement with some kind of top-secret arm of NATO. That is all possible.
	Very, very possibly true.
	I can't say for sure because I'm not, whatever.
	But there's so much surrounding that area.
	People have reported seeing aliens walking around or tall beings or whatever.
	Bigfoots, Sasquatches.
	That's like an alternative to Skinwalker Ranch.
	It's just a hotspot for all types of stories.
	If just one of those stories is true, Then there's something going on there, for sure.
	And I do believe that there is something weird going on there.
	I don't know if it's alien.
	I don't know if it's human.
	I don't know if it's paranormal.
	Normal.
	Just some weird vortex of energy floating around.
	Something.
	It's like documentary.
	Yeah, we gotta get Jeremy Corbell to go out there and make a documentary about it.
	Yeah.
	Well, frankly, I don't think that that's the best recommendation that I've ever heard, as far as I'm concerned.
	I don't know if you heard my interview with John Lear.
	I went to the premiere, and I wrote an article about what really went on at that premiere, and...
	And how much was not revealed at that premiere.
	Oh, you mean the Jeremy's Lear film or the Lazar film?
	The Lazar film.
	Jeremy Corbell's Lazar premiere of his film.
	And the fact that you're recommending that he be the one to go investigate Dolce.
	I'm not going to get the truth.
	I'm sorry, you know, in my view...
	No, I'm serious.
	He's very cool.
	He's, like, really cool.
	He might be a cool, you know, guy, and he might really know karate or whatever he was taught by the military, but there is a lot of questionable aspects to his situation, I have to say, and there...
	Including the way, you know, I mean, I'm sure he's under our orders, let's put it that way, and that Lazar was not being allowed to really speak to the audience and to really...
	Lazar's mind has been wiped.
	His daily encounters have been wiped out of his mind.
	He said that he was a doctor.
	It's on my website on YouTube, and I highly recommend it.
	Basically, John, you know, blows out of the water the contradictions that were happening on stage and even in the film.
	But, you know, I do applaud the fact that he took the time to bring Lazar's story to the fore and And really, in essence, show that it was not a lie.
	And for that purpose, it was a very good effort.
	I have my theories about Lazar as well.
	But I really did enjoy Jeremy's documentary about him and Skinwalker Ranch.
	I think Bob Lazar is a very interesting figure.
	Even without the whole working on a top-secret UFO study I think he's a very interesting man and I have my own theories that you know may maybe a real there's good reasons for him to lie about the whole thing that's all I'm gonna say sure There's good reasons.
	If you go back and you watch the documentary and you listen to how he got involved in a business where somebody asked him to set up a brothel and help that business proliferate,
	if you were involved with some illegal actions And you started to get attraction from say a criminal underbelly and they wanted to get you because you had knowledge about their operation.
	What would you do if you wanted to cause a lot of attention to yourself?
	I don't think you'd start talking about UFOs.
	Why wouldn't you?
	Why wouldn't you?
	You could say, I worked on a secret project, and you would attract a ton of cameras to you.
	Did you actually watch the documentary on Bob Lazar?
	Because that doesn't sound like you really did.
	I did watch it, and when I listened to that part of it, you know, to do.
	No, actually he was, as I recall, he was as I recall, he was filming.
	He was responsible for the filming.
	All right, so let's see if there's anyone else that wants to ask a question.
	I think somebody here wants to know how you guys are funded.
	By ourselves.
	By our own bank accounts.
	We paid for the film.
	We spent some money on it, even though it seems like there was no budget.
	There still was.
	And we do it because we just love this topic, I guess you could say.
	Okay, and we have put the link for people to be able to go over to Amazon and click on my website, projecthamalat.tv, and click on this posting of tonight's show, and also it will be in the, when you watch, if you want to watch this later, it'll also be on YouTube, but the link is there.
	But you guys want to give the link or give the directions on how to get to your documentary?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, if you just go to Amazon and just write Being Taken, it'll be the first thing that pops up.
	You have to be under Movies and TV though.
	You can search Beyond the Spectrum as well, but then you'll get the film that's actually called Beyond the Spectrum, which we did.
	That's about the NASA footage and stuff like that.
	So yeah, if you just write Being Taken under Movies and TV, you'll see it right there.
	Okay.
	It looks like, yeah, the camera's kind of blinking on and off here.
	All right.
	Well, let me see if there's anyone else, because we've been going now.
	I try to keep things under two hours, so I'm going to down pretty shortly.
	Do you guys want to have some parting remarks as well, in terms of just anything you want to say?
	...the house of business... ...the house of business... ...the house of business...
	Thank you.
	It's been fun.
	And Carrie, again, I mean, stories all the time, and we're delving more into this every year that we continue doing this.
	So, yeah, thanks so much.
	And Carrie, of course, you know, we love you, and we love what you're doing in this field.
	Okay, thank you, guys.
	Sorry, the video just seems to kind of...
	Closed down all of a sudden.
	I'm trying to salvage this so we don't go off the air.
	So I'm going to say goodnight to everyone and see if I can manage to salvage the credits at all.
	But I'm going to hang up with you guys if you don't mind because I don't know what's happening here.
	Well, nobody wants to look at us anyway, so it's for the best.
	Oh, that's not true.
	All right.
	Listen, you guys, take care.
	You too, Carrie.
	Thank you so much.
	All right, and thanks for being on the show.
	Take care, everybody.
	We'll talk to you soon.
	Stay safe.

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