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Nov. 14, 2018 - Project Camelot

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BRUCE FENTON: HYBRID HUMANS AND OUR ORIGINS

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	Hi there, this is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and we're going live.
	Right now we've got an interesting report coming in and we're going to be talking to Tony Gosling in the UK just briefly before I start my show with Bruce Benton.
	And so the show with Bruce Benton will start in a few minutes.
	In the meantime, I've got Tony Gosling.
	I'm going to Turn this screen over to him for the moment and get him on here.
	And Tony, you're just calling me now about this Indonesian flight that actually went into the sea and you're saying it happened a couple weeks ago?
	Okay, yes.
	It was the 29th of October and it's, I mean, it was reported all around the world just for a day as these incidents are.
	Nearly 200 people killed on this aircraft, this brand new 737.
	And it was controlled by, it was, the airline was Lion Air.
	So what happened is the aircraft took off from Jakarta Airport and there was reporting problems with the ascent.
	So if you have a look at the graph recorded by flight radar, you can see that it was a bit of a jumpy ascent.
	So in other words, it was going up steadily for a little while, then it would flatten out and maybe the plane would be going down slightly and then it would start to go up again.
	Anyway, so it was a bit of a jumpy ascent up to about 6,000 feet out of Jakarta over the sea, at which point the aircraft nosedived under power into the sea.
	So this is a brand new 737 Lion Air flight JT610 on the 29th of October.
	And the problem here is that aircraft just don't do this, Kerry.
	I mean, if you can imagine the chances of the pilot not being able to control the plane, I mean, the way things work, and I mean, you talk to any professional airline pilot here, when things go wrong, there are several layers of redundancy on these major airliners, the Boeings and the Airbuses, which will allow the pilot to take emergency control over the plane.
	Flying flight surfaces of the aircraft that is to say the main wings and the elevators at the back of the plane which the main wings control a turn of the aircraft and the elevators at the back control whether it goes up or down you know so it tilts the plane up into the sky or down towards the ground now every major aircraft has got redundancy systems here so if something goes wrong at the very least they can take control of what would be effectively a glider If
	you sort of mean.
	So say all the power goes.
	So that aircraft would then be able to be glided to the ground gently.
	So at least you've got a chance then of making an emergency landing of some sort, whether that's on the land or on the sea.
	Okay, so...
	Okay.
	And we've got a terrible echo here still.
	I'm not sure why.
	But at any rate, I think I'll try to talk a little quieter.
	So the question is, you said there was a certain...
	Number of people that were from what I think you explained the Indonesian government That's right.
	Okay, so the important thing to understand when anything like this happens is I mean as any any pilot would be looking at this particularly a commercial airline pilot and saying well That shouldn't happen because they know that if there are these problems even if it's a problem with the engines or whatever at whilst you're flying along Then you can, at the very least, bring the plane safely.
	At least you've got a chance of bringing it safely to the ground.
	Obviously, if you're flying over forests or mountains, that becomes really problematic.
	But this plane is flying over the sea, and aircraft are literally designed to fly, to ditch in the sea safely.
	You know, as we saw a couple of years ago now, there was actually, I think it was in New York, Where a plane got into trouble.
	The pilot looks around.
	Now, I can't land.
	There's a skyscraper there and a skyscraper there.
	But what I can do is safely put the aircraft down in the river.
	And so that's what he did.
	And everyone was perfectly safe.
	What happens is the emergency exits open.
	These chutes inflate, self-inflate.
	And once everyone's got their life jackets on, They're just pushed out down the chute by the stewards and stewardesses, and they sit bobbing around in the sea until the life rafts, which are also on board, they can scramble into those.
	Now, this is completely normal.
	But one thing that aircraft do not do, Kerry, is nosedive that power into the sea.
	If an aircraft at 300 or 400 miles an hour or 500 miles an hour hits the sea, it's like hitting a piece of concrete.
	So nobody's going to survive that crash.
	The real key to understanding this one, though, is by looking, I think, at who was on board that aircraft.
	I don't know if you remember the disappearing plane MH370 that was flying from Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian Airlines, to Beijing, and its so-called disappeared.
	That was about three or four years ago.
	That aircraft had on board a team of scientists and military technologists who were heading to Beijing.
	Yes, I absolutely remember this.
	Now, we actually are joined here by Bruce Fenton.
	Bruce, I don't know if you can hear me.
	Bruce, can you hear me?
	Yes.
	Okay, Bruce, I do apologize.
	What has happened here is that, out of the blue, Tony Gosling, who's a reporter, An ex-BBC reporter called me from the UK just before the show started today with you and is giving us a report on an Indonesian airliner.
	So we thought we'd take it just for a few minutes.
	We don't want to take your time.
	But if you don't mind standing by, Tony's just here for a couple more minutes.
	So we're just getting his report just quickly.
	Okay, so the finance ministry in Indonesia confirmed that there were 20 ministry officials among the 178 passengers on the flight, adults that is.
	They've been returning to their office in Pankalpinang from Jakarta after spending time with their families and attending the 72nd anniversary of what they call Currency Day over there.
	But the key thing is This is government auditors so it's basically like having here what we have here in Britain we call it the public accounts committee They are people who are researching the way government money, taxpayers money is being spent.
	And of course, Indonesia is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet.
	Horrific corruption there.
	So they will have their work cut out and they would also probably not have had that much trouble finding potential criminals within the government and mafia style deals that are being done by the Indonesian government.
	But what really amazed me was that the boss of the airline, the Lion Air airline, is also working for the government.
	Surprise, surprise.
	The chief executive is Edward Sirat, and that's for Lion Air.
	But the actual boss, the founder, Roussi Kirana of Lion Air, is a politician who is part of the government.
	So he's got a vested interest in stopping any proper audit of the Indonesian government, and he's the guy who's in charge of the airline Lion Air.
	So I just feel it's incredible that there has been so little coverage of the potential motives to bring this aircraft down.
	First of all, as I was saying, it should not just crash into the sea under power, a crash dive, basically a nosedive, into the sea.
	Aircrafts just don't do that, especially brand new 737s.
	And the other thing to mention is that it certainly looks as if there's a potential that this aircraft was simply hacked from elsewhere.
	And I would point out, and it amazes me, Kerry, that the mainstream press never look at this.
	There's been two articles recently, one in Newsweek on the 6th of June this year, which says in-flight airplanes can now be hacked from the ground.
	And this is a cyber expert warning this in a major news I'm
	sure you've heard of them.
	Yeah, and so they'll be investigating themselves on this.
	So we can't rely on that investigation.
	A bit like the Dutch, who are part of NATO, investigating the MH17 crash in Ukraine.
	You can't trust them because they're having this conflict with Russia in that situation.
	Anyway, so I just think it's important that people look at these air crashes whenever they happen.
	And see who might have been on board that plane or what motives might there have been for it to have been actually hacked rather than some normal accident.
	Because, you know, a normal sort of situation with trouble with an aircraft like that, the pilot would have been able to bring it down quite safely in the sea.
	And this simply didn't happen.
	It hit hundreds of miles an hour straight nosedive into the sea, which is like hitting a piece of concrete.
	And of course, there were no survivors.
	Incredible.
	Thank you.
	Now, we have a terrible echo at your end.
	I don't know why that is.
	But at any rate, I'm going to thank you very much for coming on the show briefly here, Tony.
	What we could do is arrange to do a longer show on this subject.
	And I will check with Abel Danger, that very good team that does investigate these kinds of issues.
	Crashes, etc.
	And they have a reputation for doing so very well.
	So what we can do is try to get a show together on the subject, okay?
	Thanks, Kerry.
	Cheerio.
	All right.
	You take care.
	It's great to see you.
	All right.
	So, sorry, everyone.
	This is kind of an unusual...
	We're actually not sorry but you know I apologize for the sort of shocking start I guess you might call it that whatever you want to call it at any rate we're going to now make a transition over to Bruce Fenton and he is my guest to talk about hybrid humans and so it's it's actually lovely to have you here Bruce and I hope that you can hear me okay I can, yes.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, good.
	Good to be back.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, you were on my show quite a while ago.
	This was, I think, several years.
	Really, yes.
	And it's possible at that time we were doing radio only.
	So this is video, a little bit different venue, so to speak.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, it was.
	I think it was just radio.
	Okay.
	I'm glad you, as I said, I'm glad you survived the YouTube purge as well.
	Exactly.
	Yes.
	tricky business.
	They're doing their best to get rid of everyone.
	They certainly are.
	And we still have to watch ourselves fly in this room all of a sudden.
	So at any rate, it's great to have you here.
	And would you give yourself a brief introduction simply because I was caught a bit unawares and wasn't able to prepare properly to get your introduction going here.
	So if you don't mind.
	Yeah, no problems.
	For those not familiar with my work, I'm largely known for being a researcher of ancient mysteries.
	I was on the Unexplained Files a few years back.
	People might have seen me looking for giant bones in the Georgian Caucasus.
	I co-authored four books.
	They tend to be focused on contact with extraterrestrials, or again, the ancient mysteries.
	All of them, they overlap in that, all four books.
	Most recent being, of course, the co-authored Hybrid Humans, Scientific Evidence of Our 800,000-Year-Old Alien Legacy, which is co-authored by my wife.
	I also have the Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution is the other most recent one.
	So people may have seen those books out there, and certainly I expect some of the listeners would have seen that episode, but I had to hike into the Georgian Corses.
	Okay, very good.
	Now, we are going to be talking about hybrid humans.
	This is your title for the book, the latest book.
	Could you explain to people why Daniela is, I guess, your wife and why her name is on the book?
	Is this a co-author deal and why not both names?
	Yeah, I'll be honest.
	The reason why was to slightly separate this book off from the other...
	I suppose it's more mainstream.
	The Into Africa Theory was a bit more aimed at, I guess, science students, paleoanthropology students, and I could sort of guess if they saw that I had a book out with my name on it, with hybrid humans.
	I would lose those people immediately, which you can kind of imagine, because there's some people saying that we're all pseudoscience and that we're all, you know, woo-woo.
	So I thought it'd make some sense just to separate them slightly just by taking, you know, our names and separating one onto one, but one onto the other.
	So that it's basically for that purpose.
	We always work together on projects.
	And yeah, you'll find that her voice is in there.
	A lot of my research is in there.
	Okay, so it's a co-author type deal.
	So can you explain why you decided to go into this direction, if indeed your prior work is sort of a little bit more straight, more conventional, if you will?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And in a way, that was a bit of a difficult decision because, I mean, when we last spoke, I had...
	Co-offered ancient aliens in Australia, which is going back to 2013.
	That delved into some pretty weird mystical stuff, as well as archaeological evidence.
	I can't say that it was massively popular, but I guess some people out there may have seen it.
	I decided that, yeah, from that, I ended up involved with this lost city in the Amazon jungle in Ecuador.
	Again, people may have seen that.
	That's been on most of the alternative media sites, blogs, websites.
	I was quite at the center of that, and that led to this research into what?
	The inter-Africa theory.
	Basically, I realized the reason out of Africa theory was totally wrong.
	Ended up writing this whole book, disproving the consensus model, I was going to really probably stay with that and carry on writing some more about lost civilizations, you know, that kind of subject.
	The truth is that there was so much coming out from the sort of, I guess, secret space program stuff, some of it really good, some of it that I found was problematic, that it kind of pushed us to bring this hybrid humans book out a bit earlier than I would have liked to.
	I would have liked to have got another one or two more conventional books out there and then gone back to the more, you know, I guess, esoteric and conspiracy type stuff.
	But I felt it was really the time that this information had to come out, basically.
	It was quite clear that there's a lot of people searching for information on this at the moment.
	As you know, you have a lot of guests on that tackle this.
	So yeah, it was really, I guess, the time seems to be calling out for this type of information.
	So we moved it forward, accelerated this project, and got it out.
	Okay, so what is hybrid humans all about?
	Sure, absolutely.
	Basically, it's a bit of a strange story.
	When I was writing my part of Ancient Aliens in Australia, We were introduced to a lady named Valerie Barrow.
	She is a psychic reader and hypnotherapist, a regression therapist, based in Australia.
	And she has a book out called Altaringa, When the First Ancestors Were Created.
	Now, obviously, there's a hint in the title.
	So that's about, you know, this first creation of Homo sapiens.
	And the book came about by her interacting with an artifact, an Aboriginal artifact, Which had a consciousness, you know, the voice spoke to her, and it said, look, you know, I'm this being from the creation time.
	There is a lost story of human origins, which involves extraterrestrials, and essentially, you know, it was a consciousness of an extraterrestrial linked to this object.
	It started telling her a whole story of a lost history, basically, of a craft coming to Earth, The craft being destroyed in orbit, essentially a trail ambush, and the survivors going on to engineer.
	Homo sapiens.
	I mean, I'll flesh that out.
	But that gives people a bit of the idea of what the main pieces were.
	So what happened there was I decided that, you know, I realized there was things in this book which really resonated with stuff that I knew and with personal experiences.
	I decided that I could actually perhaps take it as a guide and see whether or not the information, you know, stacked up, whether I could match it against things that, you know, were out in reality, you know, in the science papers and prove it.
	Now, there's a personal connection I've had my own sort of past life memory event, or whatever you want to call it.
	Years ago, a flash of myself piloting a craft, coming in towards Earth, dressed in this blue uniform.
	I'm very tall, not a normal human being, aware that there's been an attack behind me.
	A craft has been destroyed.
	There's a lot of dead allies behind me.
	I'm being pursued by enemy ships.
	I had this event, and then it kind of stopped there.
	This was back in 2002.
	I had no context for that right up until I got involved with this material.
	And then it became quite apparent that that actually links in.
	And in fact, there's about 30 different people's accounts that went together to make up the book.
	So it seems there's an awful lot of people that have some kind of link into this or memories or psychic understandings that relate to it.
	So I had a reason to suspect that this was a genuine history and it had in some way a relationship to me.
	That's how I got involved.
	Okay, so what do you mean by there were so many people involved in the book?
	I guess I don't understand.
	Are you talking about this other woman's book?
	Yes, sorry.
	Yeah, I should clarify that.
	What happened was the voice went on to tell her, you're going to meet these people, a load of different people, and each one of them is going to have a piece of this story to confirm the story to you.
	So though the voice has told her this lost history, it says, you won't just hear it from me, you're going to hear it from all these people you're going to meet.
	And she started to find that she'd have clients that would remember bits of this story.
	Then she would have people, one person came up to her in a car park, you know, in a supermarket, you know, car park, and come up and said, I've got something to tell you, I have to speak to you, you know, and started telling her, I remember being on this ship, you know, I remember this attack.
	So really strange stuff, you know, where she ended up with about 30 plus people, each one remembering something.
	In some cases, these people remembered being Aliens on the ship, and I'll just clarify, the ship comes from the Pleiades cluster.
	That's the Stargate it's come from.
	However, it's got 50,000 beings of mixed species on board, is the description, right?
	And then you've got people remembering being these beings, but you've also got people remembering being reptilians who are involved in shooting the ship out of the sky, and other people who remember being the first early hominins.
	You know, so you're getting this story from Three different groups, you know, that were involved.
	Okay, now wait, I just want to slow you down a little bit here.
	This is a little bit, you know, convoluted.
	So what you're saying here is that this woman had found this sort of relic who spoke to her, right?
	Telepathically, I'm assuming.
	Yeah.
	And then she said she will meet these people.
	Now, you're saying these people, in other words, she met all these people already?
	Some of them were people already in her life, but she was also a regression therapist.
	So some of these people were clients that turned up looking to have regressions, and then they would start finding themselves in these lives.
	So she was, I guess you could say, ideally situated to meet people like that.
	Because of her job.
	All right.
	So now how many people are we talking about?
	Somewhere around them.
	I mean, her husband started remembering things.
	Some personal friends of hers started to remember things.
	So it seemed like there was a group reincarnation sort of around her or in the area of Australia where she was with people coming to her or bumping into her.
	A bit of a mix.
	But that's how it started.
	One person was particularly important.
	That's a guy called...
	I forget the whole name.
	It's Jerry.
	He was an Aboriginal healer.
	He turns up at our house with a friend of hers saying, you know, I feel I have to come to your house because of the name of the house, which is Al Charinga, which is an Aboriginal word for the dream time, right?
	And so he feels drawn there.
	He's quite a well-known healer, this guy.
	And she feels that he knows that she's got this stone.
	So she says, look, I've got it, but, you know, it's kept in a box and it's safe.
	And he turns around and says, it's men's business.
	You know, you shouldn't really have it, sort of thing.
	So she's like, well, I never touch it.
	You know, it's in a box.
	Got it put away.
	You know, it's been left here by someone else who left it with her.
	Had asked her to look after it temporarily.
	I don't touch it.
	It was wrapped up in leaves when she was given it.
	It's called an Alcharinga stone.
	Okay, so is this an Aborigine?
	In other words, this person is an Aborigine and the stone belongs to his culture, he thinks.
	Yes, exactly.
	So he knows what these things are.
	As it turns out, El Turinga stones, they have this lore about them, which is that they are supposed to be artefacts left by the creator beings in the time before time, when humans were created, when a lot of the animals were created, and they say in their own legends that these stones have an aspect of the consciousness of those beings in it.
	So what's happening to her actually fits with the Aboriginal understanding of these.
	Basically, I would describe them as alien technology left on the planet with the aboriginals.
	They kind of know what they are.
	They keep them hidden.
	They keep them only for rituals with clever men and clever women, the shamans.
	They're the only people who are supposed to look at these things or touch them.
	So this one's ended up getting lost.
	This ended up, you know, gone walkabout with people instead of being in a tribal setting.
	And so it's come to her house.
	So normally no white person would ever encounter one of these.
	You know, it's quite extraordinary that the flow of events that leads it to being in her house.
	Obviously meant to be, if you like, fate or whatever we call it.
	And so she finds that this is what she has, this strange stone.
	And then this guy says to her, look, there's a place you have to go.
	I want you to come to Gosford to the glyphs, which you probably know about the Gosford glyphs, the Carrion, which is these supposed Egyptian glyphs in Australia.
	They've been written about in quite a few alternative blogs and, you know, in radio shows.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So he says, go there, because there's an Aboriginal sacred site there next to these glyphs.
	Now, whether those glyphs are old or not, I'm not going to get into that too much, because people are still arguing, are they new?
	Are they ancient?
	You know, to be honest, for the purposes of this, it doesn't matter.
	There's a sacred site next to them.
	And he says, look, I want you to go there.
	We're going to go up onto this rock, and then, you know, you're going to go into this special place.
	And then they have a time slip.
	And they find that they are no longer humans.
	The three of them slip back to an ancient time.
	They can see a crashed UFO craft in the water just ahead of them.
	Another one hovering above, pulling beings out of the water.
	They've both got elongated heads and their skin is a kind of bluish color.
	Their bodies are no longer human.
	They're very slim, tall, clearly not human anymore.
	And obviously, Time slips are reported by people.
	You know, I think there's a famous case where two ladies are walking in the Garden of Versailles and they suddenly find that all around them are courtiers of the 18th century.
	So we know these kind of things seem to happen to people.
	So they have this experience.
	They realize while they're in the experience, they remember being on the ship.
	They remember there being an attack with these craft racing down, one crashing into the water.
	He's actually piloted by the guy, Jerry, in the past life.
	He's the pilot of one of the escaping craft.
	And they start to recall directly the event, which is this betrayal of a Pleiadian Alliance ship, which has arrived to Earth to colonize the planet in an agreement with reptilians that are here already under the ground in underground bases.
	I should just say, this is going back a long way because The initial feeling was it was around about 900,000 years ago.
	And I just said, I've pinned that down more specifically to 780,000 years ago.
	So we're talking about really, really far back, not, you know, not in terms of ancient aliens, which people are used to with things happening in Egyptian times.
	You know, this is really the start of that human show.
	Okay.
	Now, wait one second.
	You said you took it down.
	So what did you use to do that?
	How did I do that?
	I'll tell you exactly.
	Within her book and within what she says has happened, there's three major claims.
	And this is where I sort of entered this.
	The first one is that you've got, okay, this ship, which is described specifically as being made of crystal, grown from living crystal with an artificial intelligence that lives in the silicon mainframe of the ship.
	It starts to make sense because at first you think, well, why would you have a crystal ship?
	But we know silicon-based life, right?
	It's where our technology is kind of going.
	If you look at what the transhumanists and people are saying, they expect us to be post-biological, uploaded into silicon networks, right?
	So once upon a time, we'd have thought this sounds like crystal woo-woo, but now we know this is actually where hard tech is going.
	So you've got this living ship, right?
	And on board is 50,000 people.
	And then they describe how it's destroyed, which gives me another clue, because they said it's kind of electromagnetic sonic entrainment weaponry, which basically resonates the frequencies of an object in the way that a glass resonates when someone sings the right note.
	It's a bit like that.
	It erases the frequency of it.
	It melts it and shatters it.
	And they describe the debris as melting and falling to Earth.
	So I've got...
	All right, so the clue there is I've got a crystal ship.
	It's been melted and it's rained down to Earth.
	I know roughly when to look towards 900,000 years ago, and I know where, because if the escape craft have come down at Gosford, the mothership's got to be pretty much straight up.
	So I'm thinking it's been destroyed over Australia.
	I think, well, okay, I'm going to look for the debris from this.
	I'm going to look in Australia, look in the geological records.
	Is there anything anomalous that is like a melted quartz that's raining from the sky?
	You know, pretty weird.
	I mean, if it's there.
	And that's exactly what I did.
	I looked for that and I found that there is.
	And that was the first big, you know, well, it was incredible, to be perfectly honest, because with that amount of time, you're sort of thinking...
	I'm not going to find anything, you know, hard enough to find something from Roswell not that long ago.
	So, you know, I'm not really expecting it.
	It turns out there's a material that does exist.
	It's called Australite Tektites.
	And anyone can look it up.
	There's a hundred year long mystery in science about this material because they say NASA papers tell us it comes from a one kilometer diameter object which was in Earth orbit 780,000 years ago, which for some reason exploded.
	They say pieces carried on in orbit and melted as they came down.
	They started to decay in orbit.
	They heated up going through the atmosphere.
	They said basically it's a quartz that has been heated, superheated, turned to glass, melted, and then the glass has formed spheres, because in space liquids form spheres, like seen on NASA videos, went on the shuttles, Water floating around forms a sphere, you know, same reason why molten rock forms planets, their spheres.
	Same principle.
	So we've got these spheres of glass, of quartz glass, so they can only have formed in space, and that's why NASA have a mystery about it.
	They're like, well, why would an object enter orbit, for a start, weird enough, mostly made of crystals, 75% of quartz, right?
	That's a weird object, isn't it?
	And then, for some no reason, it explodes in orbit and rains down across Australia.
	When I read this, I was like, what the hell is this about?
	How can this not be known?
	How can we not have heard of this in the circles we're all in?
	Can you slow down one minute?
	Sure.
	How did you come across this NASA information?
	Is it just plain and easy to find?
	Or what?
	I've never, you know, as you're saying, how did you hear of it?
	Why didn't we hear of it?
	And are you sure?
	I mean, where is this coming from?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, initially I found there was geological papers from, you know, independent universities, you know, geological teams that are just interested in, you know, strange rocks, things they find, you know, particularly these tectites, because you find them There's four main tech-type strewn fields.
	We're called strewn fields.
	There's one in the US. And a strewn field is basically where, usually, it's where an asteroid hits the Earth and in four places on the planet is hit in such a way that it's produced melted rock which has been thrown through the air And it's landed, you know, in a large area around the crater.
	There's one in the US, one in Africa.
	There's another one, I think, somewhere in Asia.
	And then you've got the fourth one, which is this australite one.
	The other three are all pretty mundane.
	The reason why I say that is because you've got a crater and then you've got material which shows normal single melting of Of earth rock.
	So, you know, in other words, somebody hit it, it melted, flew through the air, cooled in the air, and landed.
	Very straightforward.
	Australite is an anomaly, they say, because firstly, it's got no crater.
	And they can see where the largest chunks of material are, which is in Laos, Thailand.
	You've got pieces there that are like 20 kilos.
	There must be the crater.
	If it's hit, it has to be there because a 20 kilo block of rock does not travel far.
	So they're thinking, well, where the heck is this crater?
	They can't find it.
	There is no crater.
	So you trace back the material and you find it first starts to rain down in southern Australia in these unique forms, these buttons.
	And the buttons is why NASA got involved, because NASA realized that these buttons have a uniquely aerodynamic shape, which can only have been formed by coming down from space.
	And so they got interested in thinking, well, does this help us design re-entry pods?
	So that's why they got involved with it.
	In fact, right in the Apollo programs, they were looking at this material At least under the pretext of being interested in its aerodynamic shapes.
	So, right, this is where NASA came into it.
	So they've done quite intense studies.
	Now, this is great.
	I mean, that's a wonderful investigation on your part.
	But I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how did you stumble on this?
	Do you know what I mean?
	I mean, in other words, how did you follow this trail?
	What was your initial clue about this craft?
	Yeah, I mean...
	Well, I literally, I think I was just typing, you know, quartz, melted quartz, silica, debris, looking for anything that comes from space that would be silica-based.
	And what I found was, yeah, this material is like 75% silica from melted quartz.
	So when you're measuring up what's in these transmissions, if you like, from this artifact, it's describing this ship made of crystal.
	So that's how I sort of got linked.
	And that was on the NASA website where you did this kind of a...
	First, I found it on geological websites, other university sites that talk about material.
	Yeah, then there's NASA papers.
	People can Google.
	If you put, like, NASA, Australite, Tektite, you'll find there's about four or five NASA papers that are available online, mostly from back in, like, the 60s.
	They're not so recent.
	Again, to do with the space program.
	But, yeah, you'll find those are publicly available.
	It's not that, you know, I had a link into NASA or, like, I'm not going to claim I had, like, you know, A deep throat in NASA. The people can go and check these for themselves.
	Okay, now I'm going to slow you down again.
	I want to know, first of all, what part of Australia are you from?
	We were based in New South Wales.
	We're not there anymore.
	I was living there with Dani because she's from Sydney.
	I'm from the southwest of the UK near Bristol, but we're now currently in Spain.
	Oh, so you're not in Australia anymore?
	No, I've recently left, about two months ago.
	Okay, now you've done several books before this, and you've done investigations.
	Were those investigations centered in Australia?
	The last book, yeah, was The Forgotten Exodus, The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution.
	A lot of that is about Australia, about an out-of-Australia migration of the early humans, which ties into this new book.
	In other words, did you go into the Outback?
	Did you go interact with the Aborigine people at all?
	No, I didn't really.
	I mean, I've had interactions online, but no, I didn't have to go out and do that kind of thing for those books.
	I've used mostly, you know, the old online researching and books and, yeah, the old way there of doing that.
	Okay, and what is Daniela's role in the books?
	What does she, you know, what part does she play?
	Well, I mean, she's had extensive...
	Psychical contact with the extraterrestrial intelligences.
	I mean, I've had secondary contact.
	She's always been the primary contact, contactee if you like.
	And they've really directed all of these projects.
	I wouldn't have been able to know about any of this if they hadn't been pushing me to connect with the right people or put me in certain places.
	You know, the whole fact that I ended up involved with the Lost City in Ecuador, that was through a whole chain of strange events, you know.
	So I'm aware that they are nudging me along to find certain clues.
	Okay.
	Now, so you wrote to me that you consider yourself Pleiadian.
	Is that correct?
	They've been very clear that, yeah, that they consider us to be Pleiadians inside human bodies.
	Based on our life experiences, that seems like a pretty good answer for why we've had lifelong paranormal events, interaction with all kinds of entities, non-human, you know, spirits.
	It's so weird.
	You know what I mean, Carrie?
	There's a point where you think, well, that's no weirder an answer than any other one that people would give me.
	It actually made sense of the things that we've had.
	Yeah, well, for Camelot, it's totally normal.
	But, you know, I understand for others it may not be.
	Okay, so I just wanted to give a little background there for you doing this kind of investigation that links up the crystal, the crashing of the crystalline ship, the dating that you're trying to sort of...
	Narrow it down to and the evidence that you're kind of using for that purpose.
	So, in other words, where does the book try to go from there?
	So you've got a crashed ship.
	What happens next?
	Is this some kind of seeding?
	You know, because I don't know if you're familiar with the Ashana Dean material.
	But the idea is that there are several alien races involved in seeding humans to the planet, contributing their DNA and so on.
	So I'm wondering whether your information, you said there was the one ship had lots of different kinds of beings on it.
	Is this a seeding enterprise, so to speak, in your estimation?
	Or is this exclusively a Pleiadian exercise?
	From my understanding, and from what the extraterrestrial intelligences have shared, and certainly not from my understanding alone, you know, Earth is an extraterrestrial project from day one.
	You know, if we go back billions of years to the start, this is an extraterrestrial project.
	The planet has been seeded from space.
	Life has emerged here and has been directed all the way along.
	You know, sometimes they've killed them off.
	Sometimes they've put new things.
	Sometimes they've come in and modified.
	I think, you know, that...
	There's a lot of people who share that understanding at this point.
	Right.
	So what's the point that you're trying to make?
	Wait, wait, one second.
	So what is the point you're trying to make with regard to this particular ship crashing?
	In other words, where does this story fit in the picture?
	Sure, I'll tell you.
	So you've had all that.
	Yeah, there's all the background.
	There's been all the involvement.
	That's been going on from day one.
	What we have specifically here is that about three million years ago, Reptilians on this planet create the first hominins, or human-like hominins.
	There's already some more primitive ones, but they've got some hominins that they're using as basically slaves.
	They use them as sacrifices for their draco masters, all sorts of horrible things.
	There is a negotiation between the Pleiadian alliance, which is an alliance of many species that do not get on with these draco and with most of the reptilians and with most of the tall greys and You know, the negative forces who have swept into other people's solar systems before and had wars all over the place.
	So there are these alliances who have formed, right?
	They've negotiated with the reptilians of Earth that they will hand over the planet Earth.
	And this is a colony ship that is supposed to be taking over control and colonizing.
	That they're going to be using their genetic engineering technologies to engineer their own bodies to be suitable to live on the planet.
	That was the plan.
	What actually happens is a betrayal after arrival.
	It turns out the reptilians have been given other words in their ears and been told, no, don't do it.
	Just shoot them out of the sky.
	So they end up opening fire on the ship.
	There is a betrayal.
	Someone lets the shields down on board.
	They take the ship down.
	This is where we have these few survivors come down.
	The ship is essentially peaceful.
	It's not a military exercise.
	It's blown out of the sky.
	There's a few ships that get to the ground.
	They have a problem.
	They don't have the sufficient technology and supplies now to colonize a hostile planet.
	So you've got a few scant survivors.
	What they realize at this point is, well, what we can do is work on the existing hominin species and upgrade them.
	So they have just enough tech, enough genetic engineering equipment to start this project, but not enough to really sort of save themselves.
	They're aware they can't survive.
	They can't really drink the water.
	The air's wrong for them.
	The solar radiation is too high.
	They have all those problems that you would logically have on an alien planet you weren't ready to live on.
	So what they do is they focus on this.
	Let's take some of these hominins and upgrade them.
	Give them some of our DNA, but mostly modify the code.
	Because all these beings out there, there's one thing I tell people, All these beings out there, they know the DNA code.
	They know the back of their hands.
	They don't need to come in and start giving 50% of their genes.
	Can you wait one second?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm very sorry.
	I just have a weird sign on here and I want to make sure that we're not having any kind of audio problems.
	So I need to check.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't see the sign, but it looks like it's showing up on the broadcast.
	So I just want to ask our audience if they can hear you okay.
	So if people can respond, let me know if the audio is okay.
	I see we've got video, so I just want to make sure because YouTube has been messing with me lately.
	Hello?
	Anyone, please respond and slow down the chat for one minute.
	Can you hear us?
	Okay, that's what I want to know.
	Yes?
	No?
	People are just going by like crazy.
	I can't even read it.
	So I'm going to type in here.
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	Okay.
	I just want to make sure that we're not having any weird problems.
	I recorded a whole show the other day and apparently YouTube did not record it properly.
	Alright, yes.
	Okay, we're getting yeses.
	Okay, very good.
	So, sorry to interrupt you there in midstream.
	Just want to make sure our broadcast is working.
	So, okay.
	So, you're saying that this particular...
	Okay, they had to work.
	They were shot out of the sky.
	They had to work with the genetic...
	I'm not sure why, but somehow they had to work with what they found here.
	Is this stuff you're being told by the beings or that being that's coming through the stone?
	Is that where that's coming from?
	Where does that come from?
	Two sides.
	Firstly, I'm using that information as a guide and then checking if it's real.
	They're claiming that.
	They're saying that, look, they realize they can't do it.
	Now, there's two reasons why they do this modification.
	One is a degree of benevolence.
	They realize Earth humans are in a bad situation, right?
	They've been in their slave race.
	They've got moderately small brain.
	They're not really going to go anywhere.
	You know, they're not going to free themselves.
	Not in that situation.
	They realize if they can upgrade these hominins into something a bit more, you know, galactic capable, They can start to be free, think for themselves, start to progress away from the reptilian control.
	So there's a degree of benevolence.
	But also, it's not totally without self-interest.
	Because, as with many extraterrestrial advanced beings, they're capable of directly incarnating into humans, right?
	So they're engineering a kind of space suit for themselves and for other beings that have died in the explosion.
	You've got 50,000 Pleiadians that have died.
	50,000 beings that are now entering into the reincarnational system of the Earth.
	All of them are looking to come into these new human bodies.
	Part of what's going on.
	When we say that starseeds, we're talking about extraterrestrials that choose to come in directly into their incarnations into humans.
	This is not just happening now.
	That's been happening since day one when they first engineered these homosuppies.
	Not just the good ones.
	Some of the problematic ones do that as well.
	And show up, ones that look like people?
	Turns out they're reptilians, right?
	So you have this going on right from day one.
	Now, people say, well, how do you know that?
	Okay, they've told you this, or people believe they're starseeds, you know, what's the evidence?
	The book, you know, I'm saying it's scientific evidence.
	It has to have scientific evidence, otherwise it's not, you know, it's not what it says on the cover.
	Because I've already been involved in writing one book on human evolution.
	My last book, Into Africa, is, if anyone wants to read it, they'll see it's solid science.
	I back everything up with academic studies, you know, do my best to tick all the boxes so that nobody can turn around and accuse it being woo-woo.
	So I'm quite familiar with the literature.
	So I already knew there's a lot of anomalies.
	But what I went to look for is, are there more anomalies that connect to evidence of engineering and mesh with the timeframe that we've already got for that ship?
	Because, you know, we've got that date.
	So 780,000 years ago, that's the date on the material, right?
	On this melted crystal.
	So if that's the ship, and they're saying that shortly afterwards, there's two important things that happen.
	One is they start engineering Homo sapiens, right?
	So I'm going to be looking for a date, you know, close to that for the signs of engineering.
	I will just quickly say there's a third event, which is important to factor in here, because five years after the destruction of the ship and the beginning of this project, another group of extraterrestrials turns up.
	These are Leonides, lion-like humanoids, cat people, if you like.
	Again, they appear in the in the ufology literature.
	People encounter these beings.
	They turn up.
	They're not so friendly.
	Not like the colonists.
	These are a militaristic culture allied with the Pleiadian alliance.
	They don't like what the reptilians have done to this peaceful colony ship.
	So they arrive in orbit and they give a message to the underground bases and say, look, you said you'd get off the planet.
	Now get off the planet.
	If you don't, we're bombarding you from space.
	So the reptilians have an ultimatum.
	Most of them leave because they know that these two hate each other.
	The Leonines and the reptilians hate each other.
	The Leonines are a warlike race as well.
	They don't mind kicking ass if they have to.
	So they warn them.
	A lot of them leave.
	They go through a stargate back to Orion.
	It seems a lot of these reptilians are based somewhere in the Orion Nebula.
	They may well be in other places.
	As far as I understand, they have a large galactic empire.
	But they certainly have a Stargate that takes them back towards Orion.
	Most of them go.
	Some don't.
	What the Leonines use as their main weapons is they tractor beam in, like on Star Trek, tractor beams that pull asteroids.
	They pull them into orbit.
	They say, you know, if you go, we will bombard you with these asteroids.
	I mean, it is way beyond, you know, missiles and laser beams coming down you.
	So these underground bases are not going to save them.
	They just, you know, in the end, they bombard.
	So they say there's a multi-directional bombardment with asteroids, you know, hitting the reptilian bases or the strongholds, okay?
	Well, I'm thinking that's a pretty mega event, isn't it?
	You know, a multi-directional bombardment of the planet by huge asteroids?
	Surely, if that's real, it has to leave some kind of, you know, evidence, right?
	So, I had a look for that evidence.
	I thought, that's another important event that could survive through time from 780,000 years ago.
	Most things won't.
	What I found is that in 2016, Which is obviously, you know, not that long ago.
	A German team, geologists, you know, geologists, they have found evidence of a multi-directional bombardment of the Earth by asteroids, right?
	Dating to around 780,000 years ago.
	Okay.
	I just want to clarify, the book that this is coming from, The Transmissions, is published in 2003, and The Transmissions happened in 1995, right?
	So there's no way the author, you know, call the channel, whatever you want to call it, There's no way she can know this, because they've only found it in 2016.
	Okay, now, okay, wait, because I want to understand what you're saying.
	So, are we going back to the channel, this woman, the original channeler, that you're talking about her?
	It's in her book, yeah.
	The bombardment's in her book.
	Okay, so the bombardment's in her book, and her book was published in what year?
	2003.
	2003, but you said the transmissions themselves...
	Okay, that means when you say transmissions, you mean from the stone?
	From the stone, yeah.
	Okay, and then connecting through the humans that she then connected with, etc., and the writing of the book, and then all of this...
	Yeah, again through these humans, sort of reaffirming.
	It's as though they're very keen to prove to her it's not just in her head, you know, that they want people to know that this isn't just...
	A woman's gone mad, hearing voices, you know, to my mind, they've tried to make this almost as strange as possible and just is so incredible that there's no way to really see it as anything but extraterrestrials meddling because, you know, you've got an artifact which the aboriginal say has consciousness attached to it from creation beings turning up at her house.
	It's called an Alcharinga stone.
	She had called her house Alcharinga, right?
	So the coincidence there, obviously, is why it's ended up at her house.
	Then an Aboriginal turns up, you know, then she has these other experiences.
	There's a whole flow of weirdness for her.
	Then these people start turning up in her life, reaffirming the story again, each one, even her husband remembers something, you know, friends remembering it.
	So she gets, you know, the full-on weirdness that every now and again, as you know, somebody, some poor person, contactee experiences her.
	You just get the whole show thrown at you.
	That's what she had.
	Okay, so now, again, like in your case and your wife's case, is it your wife that she connects with or is your wife one of these people or are you one of these people?
	And sorry, I'm going to have to turn that off.
	I didn't realize.
	Sorry.
	So, you know what I'm saying?
	Maybe you've already told me, but in the flow of things I'm getting a little confused.
	So, is it you that it turns out to be one of these beings that this woman needs to connect with, or is it your wife, or both?
	Well, I would say that we're both connected to this story, but I have this memory, more specific memory, of being one of the pilots in one of the escaping craft after the attack on the mothership.
	Okay, so did you read the book or did you meet this woman?
	You know, how did that happen?
	Yeah, I mean, my memory experience was in 2003.
	I didn't know anything about this book at the time.
	I first connected with this information in 2013 and read the book then.
	Didn't do anything really with it.
	I had a feeling, you know, I had a feeling it was true, but in all honesty, I had other projects, I had other things going on.
	You know, you put it back and you think, I'll look at this again one day and see if there's anything, you know, proof to it.
	So it was only in the last year or so that I thought, well, let's do it.
	We'll see.
	Is there really evidence for this story as we believe there should be if it's real?
	So yeah, it's not a new transmission.
	This is 1995.
	So this is something that's happened well ago.
	But to my mind, a lot of this, she couldn't have proved it even if she wanted to, is the truth, because the science papers didn't exist in 1995 or in 2003.
	So even if she had gone out and said, look, I want to prove that this is true, right?
	She couldn't have.
	It's the simple truth.
	So in the end of the book, she just sort of says, you know, if you feel it resonates with you, you know, make it what you will, not to tell you what to believe, because she can't supply the evidence, right?
	She just has all this information, like a lot of people, you know, with what we call channel books or psychic books, contactees.
	But what I've done is because I'm not, you know, I'm more of a, you know, I'm quite a solid researcher.
	You know, I've If I just had channeled information, nothing else, I wouldn't bother writing you another book.
	There's so many at the moment like that, and there's so many books of people.
	They've got their story, but they admit they haven't got evidence.
	They've all got stories, but they haven't got evidence.
	I thought, you know what, I can write books with evidence.
	So I can even write about ancient mysteries with evidence.
	Or if I'm going to go into this alien sector again, I will only do it if I can supply people tangible, objective evidence.
	Okay, so now what I want to know is, did your wife have some more transmissions?
	Or is this only you deciding to follow this kind of road on your own?
	And did you get back in touch with the woman who wrote the book?
	I mean, in other words, is there some through line With the transmission since the time when you, you know, read the story and then set it aside and then came back to it in 2013.
	Yeah.
	I mean, my wife, back in 2012, around the time when you and I spoke before, We were going through some, like, mind-bending stuff.
	I mean, my wife was having about two, three abduction-type experiences a week where her consciousness would be taken from her body, would be taken to another place that certainly appears to be the 7th century city of Mayan Palenque, where there would be Plodian hybrids.
	Under the sea, there were tall greys.
	There was, you know, a whole weird thing going on.
	So this is why we're connected to this story.
	We had so much stuff to do with these beings going on.
	For intense, for a year, around the time we did Ancient Aliens in Australia and the other book we did 2012 Rising, The Last Soul Kin, two books around that time.
	Both sort of tackle that, right?
	So yeah, we've been really in the thick of it with these different beings.
	So we have a very good reason to be interested in this and to know that these beings exist, you know.
	So yeah, it's not coming straight out of nowhere that we're involved in this.
	And yes, we did connect with Valerie, who's the author of the other book.
	We met her in Australia.
	We went to her house, talked to her, you know.
	She said she has extensive, much more records than what's in the book, you know, as obviously is the case with so many people involved.
	What she's done is tried to simmer it down to the main narrative.
	That's what you call the important transmission for humanity.
	So she's kind of You know, focused it just to the story of mainly of this ship, how it's blown up, what it was doing, and then, you know, what happens next.
	A lot of it's not covered in my book, because some of it I wouldn't have been able to prove, you know, because there's stuff about, you know, there's beings under the ground, there's all sorts of things going on there, which I believe that there's reptilians under the ground.
	I know that a lot of people say, well, that's Pretty, you know, weird, you know, the whole issue people have with that.
	But quite frankly, you know, it's not a new story.
	It's not just coming from me.
	I mean...
	No, I mean, well, this is very normal for Camelot, of course.
	And so, now, in terms of the woman meeting you and your wife, did she see that you two were part of the group of people that were supposed to be involved or were you just tangential to that or what?
	In my understanding, yeah, she recognizes that we are part of that story.
	In her world.
	Okay, from her point of view.
	Okay.
	So now, in terms of the DNA and working with the beings that were here, that were already...
	I mean, in my own research, I've found a lot of evidence, and I believe actually they're destroying, they're busy destroying the evidence right now of the reptilian domination of the planet prior to...
	Probably the human occupation in essence.
	So what we have is like especially certain places in the planet like Turkey for example and Syria and Iraq and Iran and so on.
	There are places where there's depictions and of course they hide a lot of these things that the ancient archaeology etc.
	So this is what I think they're actually you know using ISIS you know or whatever you want to call ISIL or All the names they go by to destroy a lot of this evidence because they don't want it out there that it's the reptilians themselves, I believe, that are trying to hide the evidence because they don't want humans to know what enemies they are.
	And so, you know, this is the kind of thing.
	Now, in terms of your the silicon side kind of does interest me from a different angle, you may say, because I've lately had the idea that Pleiadians may actually be more silicon based than they are what we call humans are being carbon, you know, in essence.
	So I know we have a really big issue right now with whether or not we're going to remain carbon-based, so to speak.
	But we're spirit having a, you know, a material existence anyway.
	And so I think there's, you know, that maybe some of this panic might be...
	A bit over the top, simply because nothing's going to destroy our spirit-soul complex.
	That will remain, regardless of what kind of vehicle we occupy, so to speak.
	But humans are very tied to their body, and there is a complex going on, and there's a lot of...
	You know, things that could be talked about, and I'm not sure this is the place of the time.
	So what I want to know is what is the remainder of the actual story you're trying to tell me while I'm kind of trying to get background in between some of the bits and pieces here?
	Where the story kind of progresses.
	Did they make a human?
	And what was the story?
	And does it dovetail with the Enki Enlil issue?
	Because you don't have...
	I wonder where that all goes with regard to this.
	Well, I suppose in many ways, this is the bit that will interest people the most.
	Well, I'd like to think they're interested that there's an alien spaceship identified, crashed in Australia, of course, because, I mean, usually we don't get to find the fragments of those.
	They're usually swept up by the military.
	But obviously, this case, it's so old that I don't know that they know.
	You know what I mean?
	If we hadn't got this through an ETI, you know, given the information they've been passed on, Nobody would be looking for that ship, you know, because it's not a recent, you know, one took down.
	So this is a rare case where, quite honestly, it slipped the net, you know, and also it was so big.
	It rained down right across Australia, you know, fragments.
	Even if they wanted to recover every bit, you never could.
	You could walk out in the outback and find some bits.
	I think what they've done is just made sure it's ignored and that nobody knew about it.
	If they did know, I wouldn't have stumbled on it.
	I consider myself an ardent researcher of ancient mysteries of 20 to 30 years, I'd never heard of this material until this extraterrestrial information came my way.
	I doubt anyone else listening would have.
	So you think of it like that, even though there's a 100-year mystery surrounding it.
	So it's pretty well kept in the science community, to start.
	So none of us knew.
	The second point, of course, is that, yes, the creation of humanity, that's a story that comes up Everywhere, you know, the ancient legends, you know, religions, channelings, starseeds, you know, insiders in the space.
	You know, you've got, I don't want to go too off on one, but, you know, there's the papers that Richard Doty showed to Linda Moulton Howe, you know, In there it said there was a Project Garnet which looked into all the mysteries of the creation of humans by extraterrestrials, and it was a case closed that they found all they wanted to know.
	And there's other instances where that information seems to be within government circles.
	They're aware that we're created by aliens, right?
	So that's not, it seems to be, you know, it's out there.
	That information's out there.
	The difference is here, He said, for the first time, I can categorically tell people, A, when it was done, where it was done, and tell you specific changes that were done in the genome.
	Anyone can go out there, Google it, see, is Bruce making this up, or is there solid science to back up the engineering of Homo sapiens?
	I'm telling you there's solid science, right?
	Because what happens is, so they start this engineering program.
	They've got these, I'm going to say, Homo erectus and some other types there, which are kind of, if you look up in Flores, there's what they call these hobbits, the fluoroensis.
	Now, in my understanding from the descriptions, they're using both, because there's descriptions of what seems like Quite human-like, early primitive hominins.
	And they say these little hairy ones.
	I believe those are the ancestors of Homo florescensis, these hobbits in Flores in Indonesia.
	So it seems like the extraterrestrials are using both lots.
	They're what's available in the region, in Southeast Asia and Australia regions.
	Okay, what about Neanderthal?
	Because we do have Neanderthal genes that have actually made it through to this time.
	Yeah, this is before them.
	The Neanderthals are engineered too.
	They're part of this story.
	Because what happens is around about 700,000, again, 800,000, 780,000, they know that in the fossil record, you find that the human skull suddenly starts to rapidly grow from around about 800,000 years ago.
	That's long been known.
	That has to do with the accelerating brain size.
	There's a rapid acceleration.
	If you look at a curve, they show you, the brain size sort of goes on and it goes...
	Right, so they knew it was weird, okay?
	So the archaeologists have always said, oh, we don't know why, but suddenly the human brain size just rapidly increases from 800,000 years ago.
	Okay, that's been long known.
	But what we have now, of course, is DNA studies, yeah?
	This changes everything because you don't have to say, oh, maybe there was just one mutation made the brain get bigger.
	It's like, no, no, there's not.
	There's dozens of mutations that appear around that time.
	Dozens.
	And nearly all of the mutations, what you say, all the different genes, they're different to other primates.
	Maybe all of them are to do with the human brain.
	It's not that we just have a few little differences here and there, but in different things, like our arms and legs, nearly all of them are the brain.
	They're going through finding all these genetic anomalies.
	It's like...
	That's not natural mutation.
	You don't suddenly get like a hundred new genes to do the brain.
	It just doesn't work like that.
	The second thing is they found, and this is using their words, there's one paper that says there is a gene that affects, you know, I think it's the neocortex, which seems to appear fully formed out of the non-coding junk DNA. Well, that's odd, isn't it?
	When it just appears fully formed out of junk DNA. And then there's another one, another paper.
	They say there is a fragment of a longer gene.
	They said it appears.
	It's almost as though it was snipped out, Xeroxed, and put back in.
	Xerox?
	When does an academic use that for a gene?
	So these people, they know there's something very weird here.
	And if you read between the lines of the terminology that you see in some of these papers, it is obvious to me that they know what I'm thinking.
	You know, this is not normal.
	And this is not the only thing.
	If you know, anyone who remembers Lloyd Pye and his work, Lloyd talked a lot about the fusion of chromosome 2, right?
	And that was one of his key points.
	He would say about, you know, this is an anomalous fusion.
	I think it's to do with the engineering of, you know, of Homo sapiens by aliens.
	You're right, Lloyd.
	You didn't want to see it.
	You're up there.
	I'm sure you know already.
	Because now we have the date.
	And that's what Lloyd didn't have because it hadn't been dated when he was still alive, sadly.
	Turns out it's around about 750,000 to 800,000 years ago.
	What they found is that this fusion appears before the splitting of Neanderthals, Ardoret lineage and Denisovans.
	And they've now found that these lineages start splitting around 750,000 to 800,000 years ago.
	A biologist in England, he looked a bit closer at it and said, well, how early could it happen?
	Did it happen early?
	Five million years ago, you know, a million years ago.
	We know it has to be before 750 because it's in all three large-brained humans.
	So how much earlier?
	He looked at it.
	He came to the conclusion, yeah, it had to be close to 750.
	He said it had to be at the beginning of these splits between the three groups.
	And those happened close to 780,000 years ago, right?
	I wish it stopped there, doesn't it?
	Not only have you got this strange fusion of chromosome 2 Which is on an active gene.
	I'm not going to make people have a big biology lesson here because I appreciate maybe over the top.
	If you use an active gene, which is to do with the brain, your immune system, and your reproductive system.
	Precise systems you want to get to if you're engineering a new species, right?
	Unusual for a fusion to happen like that on an active gene.
	The next thing is that these scientists recognize is when you have a fusion naturally, if any of them are natural, they argue some are, what you have is A few people will have that fusion, or a few animals.
	They will either be absorbed back into the main population, usually, or you'll have a few people, you know, running around with a different number of chromosomes.
	That's not what we see.
	What happened instead is the entire planet was replaced.
	They can't explain it.
	They say, well, that shouldn't happen.
	It must mean that whatever was done or whatever happened with that fusion gave such spectacular upgrades to those humans that they basically took over the world, replaced every other hominy on the planet.
	That's pretty weird if it's just a random mutation.
	That, again, is one of the big smoking guns.
	It's not the only thing.
	Okay, now what about the notion of timelines, you know, alternate timelines?
	Because it's very possible that plays into here somehow, and that one timeline perhaps started to predominate, if you will.
	So I don't know if this...
	You know, I guess it's still going back to this being that comes through the stone.
	And the being themselves, is the being an artificial intelligence?
	Is that your understanding?
	It doesn't clarify, but the way I look at it is if they have artificial intelligence that live in the structure of the ship, the silicon of the ship, it certainly makes some sense if some of that similar consciousness, AI consciousness, is in these smaller silicon or stone objects.
	Right.
	I'm not saying it definitely was.
	It may be coming through by other means.
	It may simply be representing itself as being in that stone and just be talking through telepathy from somewhere else, you know, another dimension.
	Right, but it could also operate in sort of the fractal principle.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it leaves it a little bit open, but it certainly says it's connected to the stone in some way and that the stone is brought to earth by the ship.
	It's telling her.
	But I don't think it necessarily is, you know, trapped in that stone.
	I think that this is some kind of consciousness that can move around if it wants to.
	Though it says it's looking after the stone, it doesn't say, you know, I'm trapped here.
	So I don't know.
	It doesn't make it totally clear, I'll be honest, about that fact.
	But as you said earlier, you know, I think some of these beings have come back a long way.
	I think some of these beings in the Pleiadian Alliance, not just in the good side, but in other...
	Other races out there have become post-biological, you know, in the intervening time.
	You know, some of them seem to have loaded themselves into the background fabric of reality itself.
	I mean, I know that sounds like a mind fryer for a lot of people, but in my understanding, some of these consciousness, you know, They can be here in the room with you in the wall, anywhere, part of our reality.
	So we're talking about levels of consciousness that are really, it starts to be mind-bending.
	But certainly, yes, some of them are inside silicon networks.
	Some of them are still seemingly biological.
	Some have moved into android, you know, forms.
	Some of them are literally a background reality, you know, indistinguishable from objects that you just don't know.
	So if you think about it, the aboriginal say, like, when the creation of beings created...
	Humans and created the animals and created the world.
	They then turned themselves into mountains, streams.
	And you start thinking about it.
	Well, hang on a minute.
	That sounds kind of like beings that have uploaded themselves into the background reality.
	So it's even in the lore, you know, in their ancient dreaming lore.
	So that in itself is kind of bizarre that you think you're trying to realize that that is actually possible, you know.
	So, okay.
	So now in terms of the storyline that you're kind of getting across here, what was the...
	End result or you know I mean beyond because we've been modified so many times even since then you know which is an interesting story in itself but for the purposes of your study where does your book kind of end or where does it sort of coalesce?
	Well I go through from there I mean I Really determined in this book to give people what I would call solid objective proofs of extraterrestrials interacting with Earth.
	Because, you know, I've read a lot of the books that are out there and like, you know, okay, they refer to ancient tablets or they just channeled or something.
	So, you know, what I want to do is give as much solid science as I can.
	So, yeah, I identify that you've got the craft 780,000 years ago.
	I confirm the other thing that she said, the meteorite bombardment 780,000 years ago.
	Confirm, beginning of the Homo sapien divergence 780,000 years ago, right?
	So I just want to get that to people just to summarize that.
	If you really think about that, that should bend their head a little bit because I'm telling them straight that there's solid science, that that is real, personally.
	But from there, I go on to explain other things like, you know, there's the anomaly of, like, how is it that if your brain gets bigger, right, suddenly, how do you survive birth, right?
	How do the women survive birth?
	You know, I know this is kind of a funny one, but it's a practical problem, right?
	Because we know that the head starts getting bigger rapidly, you know?
	So you think, well, hang on a minute, you know, wouldn't they just, you know, kids, they wouldn't be dying in childbirth.
	The ex-trestrials are so smart, they get around this, but what they do is they change the development of the human fetus so that we're born as a fetus, right?
	So that when you're born, you're kind of, Slowed down development.
	And what we actually are is when you look at a chimp, people say, oh, we don't look anything like chimps and apes.
	Look at a young chimp, a baby chimp.
	Put it near a human's head.
	You know, look that head, put it near us.
	What you find is...
	We are chimps, right, with a retarded development.
	So what they did is they turned us into a fetal chimp.
	It's really weird, but I advise you to look at this.
	So they slowed us down.
	So when we're born, our brain can carry on growing rapidly because we're not actually really a baby yet.
	That's why we can't walk, we can't lift our heads, we can't do anything.
	We're technically not ready to be born.
	This got around the problem of you couldn't fit through the birth canal.
	So they did some really clever modifications.
	So I spent a chapter just going into some of that to show that essentially we are an infant ape or modified, an extraterrestrial modified infant ape with extra genes put in there.
	But that's important because we also retained some other important gifts that young animals have, which is playfulness, the ability to learn rapidly, The flexibility.
	We can learn many things.
	Look at other animals.
	They specialize.
	They do one thing their whole lives.
	Most animals, they learn one thing.
	To pick that one fruit or to crack that one nut.
	Humans are different.
	That's partly because we remain a child throughout our lives.
	Now, this is both good and bad.
	Because if you look around, look at our behaviour, look at the things, how we can be tricked and played, and how our culture works.
	A lot of it has to do with entertainment, right?
	Entertainment.
	Because kids love entertainment, we love playing.
	You know, feature old guy on the Xbox, common now.
	They understand that.
	The opposite side understand that as well.
	They understand they can hook into this.
	But it's allowed us the ability to really adapt to anything.
	So we're a very unique species.
	And that, again, is engineered in, along with language.
	There's a gene that's changed for language.
	They want us to speak, want us to communicate.
	And we are actually self...
	If you look at this again, it's called self-domesticating.
	It's really weird.
	If you look at Neanderthal, look at us.
	People thought that they were a really different species.
	Kind of like you imagine a troll, you know, they're a bit more hardy than us, you know, they've got the prominent ridges.
	Actually, what they found now is, it appears Neanderthals are simply homo sapiens that are wild, right?
	If you self-domesticate, you start to become more, more neotonous, which is like these, we have these younger, like, features, you know, compared to a Neanderthal, I have a young face, I'd like to think.
	But basically, we are...
	Not that different from Neanderthals.
	And that's why we could interbreed with them.
	Because they are homo sapiens, right?
	And this is a thing that people aren't used to hearing.
	But yes, we could mate with them.
	Yes, we could have kids with them.
	Because they were homo sapiens.
	If you take Neanderthals and you domesticated them, you'll start to see that they lose a lot of those rugged features.
	And we've seen this in animals.
	When you take any animal and start domesticating it, it actually changes the way it looks through this thing they call...
	Epigenetics, right?
	It's to do with epigenetics.
	So we're not actually that different from these other humans.
	We can't spun the line that they're these, you know, that they somehow lower, fuggish.
	We're all Homo sapiens.
	It takes a million years to speciate, right?
	We've only been here 780,000 years, all of us.
	Neanderthal, Denisovans, us.
	And obviously they're dead.
	Well, they're not dead.
	We've absorbed them.
	But we could all breed because we were all the same species.
	And that, again, is important to say.
	We were all created in that Event 780,000 years ago could all mix, all have.
	We carry the genes of all of those so-called extinct relatives.
	They're with us.
	We are there.
	We're a hybrid, again, hybrid of a hybrid.
	Okay, fair enough.
	You know, I'm not sure where we're at in time-wise, but in terms of the overall, again, you know, you're sort of painting a picture for us and we're trying to follow along, but can you tell us where did the book, kind of what I was kind of getting to, where the book leads?
	In other words, okay, so now you're, let's say, based on your book and what you're saying here, that we buy into The description of how this all came about.
	And I do want to say one thing before you do this.
	I don't know if you were familiar with William Tompkins who talked a lot about the Pleiadians and how they helped us with the space program.
	And also that the reptilians were also in the background helping and that the two were actually working in counter ways.
	And the reptilians were trying to sabotage us.
	Our space program at the same time.
	And I don't know if you're familiar with that history, but this was going on back around the time of the atom bomb, when they built the atom bomb, et cetera, from World War II on, and so on.
	And this has a lot to do with the building of the secret space program.
	But all of this could relate very, very, probably very nicely to what you're saying.
	But what I'm wondering is, are you, when are you familiar with that?
	And secondly, With that in mind, where does your book go with this information?
	Because one of the key things that William Thompson said, in case you don't know and the rest of the audience doesn't know, is that the idea that he got is that That they created, they contributed their DNA to this experiment we call human being to also equip us to be their frontline soldiers in the war with reptilians.
	And so that when they had battles, it sounds Kind of sort of crass and cold-blooded, but they basically wanted the humans to go out first so that more of their kind would survive.
	So are you familiar with that angle and do you have anything that backs that up or to say anything along those lines?
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, look, from my understanding, I'm aware of some of that material.
	And from other people that are writing or talking in those subjects.
	Look, from my perspective, yes, look, there is a very old intergalactic conflict.
	Now, at this point, I would call it mostly a Cold War conflict.
	But as I always say to people, Cold Wars still have sparks.
	So when you see a ship fall from the sky, that's one of the sparks, right?
	Because, let's just say, in the 1940s, we didn't have, then, we didn't have the technology to shoot down ships.
	Someone else was shooting those ships down, right?
	Because there are these flashpoints.
	So sometimes a ship will fall out of the sky into an Indian reservation somewhere or out in the jungle somewhere.
	Usually it's not around...
	You know, populated areas.
	Neverside really wants a ship falling down in the middle of one of our cities, making it very obvious.
	So they tend to be away from us fighting and stuff.
	But obviously these things happen.
	This war is very old and it's become very complex.
	And that's why you don't see motherships falling from the sky, because most of this is done in some really surreal exo-politics, right?
	Also, with a lot of it being wars that are fought on Astral levels, psychical warfare, a lot of it's like that.
	Some people say, oh, well, if there's this war, why don't we see it?
	A lot of the time you won't.
	I know it sounds bizarre to people, but some of this is into the shamanic levels.
	If you're a remote viewer or a psychic or something, you may well be involved in some aspects of this conflict already because it really is raging in the astral.
	In the psychic levels, there's loads of conflict.
	In space, yes, there's some huge ships Huge behind the moon, enormous black, a black fleet, right?
	I've seen that in out of body.
	I've seen the black fleet from a Pleiadian vessel.
	Enormous black ships.
	These are the tall braised ships on the other side of the moon, right?
	I'm not the only one who's going to tell you that.
	You can read about those ships, enormous ships.
	And we're talking about, you know, some kilometers long.
	One of them I've described as being visible.
	If it went past the front of the moon, you could see it with your eyes, not with binoculars, right?
	Sounds too crazy.
	People, that's fine.
	I appreciate that.
	Yes, there's also this engineering of people to be involved in this.
	And again, partly for physical wars, yes, the humans have been seen on some of these ships, working alongside the enemy side.
	They have humans on their team too, right?
	We're not the only humans.
	Everyone thinks we're the only humans in the universe.
	Wrong.
	And there's humans on these ships.
	People have seen them.
	They're not all prisoners on the ships.
	Some have uniforms.
	And they're working on the ships, right?
	But yes, we have been engineered at times to be used in conflicts, to colonize other worlds, all sorts of reasons why we've been engineered.
	Some of the Alliance sometimes, as I say, use these bodies to be able to come into.
	That's part of the way this game plays as well.
	For example, I consider myself to be a star-seeded person.
	Being a human being allows me to operate here and where I couldn't if I was clearly an extraterrestrial.
	That would be a breach of some very specific agreements between different sides.
	They can't just fly down land and do all sorts of stuff as aliens.
	If you appear to be human, And you have that plausible deniability.
	You can just say, well, he's just some crazy guy, right?
	That's all right.
	In the same way that they can operate psychically, plausible deniability.
	You can't see them.
	They can operate behind your presidents, behind people, manipulating people.
	That's okay.
	It's essentially like a game.
	And what you've got to do is...
	Get the two sides that want the planet, or it can be more than two sides, but the players who are at the table, all type 1, type 2, type 3 civilizations, not like us, type 0.
	To get a seat at the table of the great game, you've got to be one of these type 1, type 2, type 3s.
	They have to basically get the planet to kind of agree who it's going to go with.
	This prevents hot wars.
	They've had hot wars, and they try to avoid motherships falling from the sky.
	It's much better to get the planet to go towards your point of view.
	So they all manipulate, they all play.
	So if this planet essentially chooses, through its own volition, to work fully with the reptilians and the tall greys, which is the way it's been heading for a long time, until now, it's starting to go the other way, that this planet would essentially be left in their reptilian-dominated alliance.
	Now that is an awful scenario, I can tell people that, because they're not creatures you want to be fully under the control of.
	Or...
	We can actively say that we do not support leaders that are satanic pedophiles and all that stuff.
	We do not want these people representing us and we don't want an alliance with just anything that just flies out of space.
	We want to work with the good guys, but this has to be sort of visible.
	We have to choose a culture that represents that.
	Aligning ourselves with that alliance is, I'll be honest, our only hope.
	You know, help me Obi-Wan is the only hope.
	It's like that.
	It's a Star Wars, right?
	You've got to align with them.
	If we can do that and we get the right treaty, the right agreement, we can join the alliance.
	You join the alliance, you've got serious support behind you.
	And right now, we're really near this choice point.
	So I'm in very much alignment with what a lot of your insiders will be telling you, that this is a real conflict.
	And it's getting closer to being visible.
	People maybe now are still thinking, this is woo-woo, this is crazy.
	It's not far ahead that you're going to see ships We're good to go.
	We're already seeing the exposure of the elite occultists, and that is getting very blatant.
	Also, their manipulation, music videos, you know, it's gone weird, beyond belief, isn't it?
	You can see that now they're actively saying, just join us in the rituals, you know, sod it, you know, everyone should be like us, you know, getting these stars and people who have...
	Flagrant advertising of the satanic...
	Flagrant advertising for it, yeah.
	And what it's also called the...
	Ashianuddin calls the Luciferian agenda.
	So, okay.
	I'm in alignment with that.
	That information's real.
	Yeah.
	My job, if you like, and where I connect in with this is, again, people have to believe what they want.
	Look at the data.
	Look what I'm saying.
	Look at other people's data.
	But it's to supply objective material proof to show that there is an extraterrestrial presence that has always been connected to Earth, that the Pladeans...
	Are the ones that help engineer us away from reptilian control and are on the neutral and positive side.
	I'm not going to say that they are all positive.
	In the alliance there are neutral and slightly less than neutral forces.
	This is complex.
	But that is the better team to pick.
	And so what they want me to do, if you like, my wife and certain other people, is to bring out proof that doesn't break those agreements.
	Remember, this isn't...
	I'm not in a secret project in terms of a government secret project, right?
	This is not exposing secret tech.
	So this has been allowed.
	What I'm allowed to give people is proof that aliens were here in the remote past, that they engineered Homo sapiens, right?
	And that people need to wake up to that.
	Because if you get that bit, suddenly you think, well, hang on a minute, if they were there then, where are they now?
	Well, they're still here.
	That's why, with this project, where it comes into this, is to help people make that choice and to understand which side helped us in the past.
	Well, the Bledeans, right?
	And this alliance, okay?
	Which side was slaving us in the past?
	Those reptilians, yeah?
	And the tall greys and those ones.
	Right.
	Okay, now, I want to slow you down one minute here.
	Thank you for all that.
	That's a very good, you know, explanation.
	And, sorry, I'm having...
	My muscles are...
	No, it's just I was just in sort of a weird life-death situations where my muscles...
	When you use your muscles in certain ways, you get these cramps and so on.
	Anyway, so what I'm trying to say is...
	In your book, I mean, I appreciate your kind of overview here in a capsule, but in terms of the book itself, you're telling the story.
	So towards the end, is this the kind of thing that you then talk about where people have a choice and they should, you know, choose sides and so on?
	Is that in the book?
	A little bit.
	Initially, in the conclusion, I was talking quite a bit about that, and then I rewrote it, because I thought maybe it's just too much for the average person to process.
	So I've toned it down a bit.
	However, obviously, you know, in radio shows like yours, you know, I'm quite comfortable to tell people where it's really going.
	OK.
	But certainly I touch on it and I give people a few hints, you know, about that.
	There's another force that's blown the ship up.
	But really what what I would suggest is to also read the other book, because to be honest, her book goes really into the reptilian agenda.
	you know, it goes into all that, but in the past explains the basis, Explains what they're like.
	Okay, now whose book?
	This woman, Valerie?
	Yeah, Valerie Barrow.
	So, Al Charinga, when the first ancestors were created.
	If you buy both books, you read hers and think, well, that's incredible, but it can't be real.
	And then read my book, you're like, oh my God, it is real.
	That's the idea.
	I don't try to repeat what she said, because all you need to do is then think, well, if that's real...
	What about the other stuff she's saying?
	You know, I only have to prove a few big things in there to show people that this isn't, you know, a fantasy story, because the rest of it is about what we're talking about here, that these reptilians, you know, with the reptilian queens and their kind of politics, what they do, and who they're aligned with, which is the Draco, which again, I mean, I don't want to give people nightmares, but The Draco are a whole nother level of this, with trans-dimensional beings that feed on the consciousness of other beings.
	I mean, we're talking about, you know, this is the model of Satan.
	You know, there's not anything worse that we're going to encounter than their Draco overlords, put it that way.
	The reason there's an alliance, right, is because the Draco swept through the galaxy, devouring the consciousness of other beings, with their created reptilians and their created rays.
	All these other things they created with massive wars that raged until alliances formed that could push them back, right?
	So we don't know how bad it's been.
	You know, we're lucky there's an alliance to even get help from, right?
	So this stuff's real.
	I mean, I don't mind if people find that really strange to hear because, you know, I'm sure that for your show, you would have brought on people that, you know, obviously offer similar information and there's a lot of books out there that they can go to, but I recognize it's so strange that Without direct experiences or without studying widely, you know, I'm not going to tell people just to believe it.
	I mean, you've really got to find what it is that for you clicks, you know, and says, yeah, right.
	Why is our planet like this?
	You know, why is all this going on?
	You know, what the heck is this about?
	Why are the UFOs becoming so blatant now?
	I mean, what was the one the other day?
	All those pilots off the coast of Ireland.
	Why is that being allowed in the press without any jokes and ridicule?
	It's all changing now.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	It's no jokes.
	They just say, yep, there's UFOs, breakneck speeds, pilots are seeing them.
	Right.
	No, there is sort of an escalation on this level, I would say.
	And they're not trying to cover their tracks quite as well either.
	So...
	Okay, this is great.
	And, you know, I'm really glad, you know, we spent this time talking about this information you have.
	And I think your book is a great sort of stepping stone from the one, you know, sort of channeled information or however someone wants to, you know, look at that, you know, coming from the stone, etc.
	to...
	Proving that the information has a basis in this reality.
	And I think that that's very valuable for people.
	So, you know, we've had it on the screen along with you here on this broadcast here for people to see, and then they can get your book.
	Your website is hybridhumans.net, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, I'm going to ask, if it's all right with you, I'm going to open this up for questions from the audience.
	We do have a very active chat room here.
	It'll just be in chat.
	And so if you don't want to answer something or whatever, you don't have to, obviously just say, you know, I take the fifth or whatever you want to do.
	It's an American saying.
	But otherwise, I wanted to just ask What are your next steps and also Daniela's next steps?
	Do you have some thoughts for where you're headed in the future?
	Possible another project with someone who's contacted us as a result of this book who also has information.
	There may be a collaboration to supply some of that information to the public, which again is going to ramp up on this subject.
	I'm kind of thinking that through your show, Gary, I wouldn't be surprised if I hear from some more people that are involved in this because the last show I did, someone else connected me again who's got information on it.
	So it's like two more of them.
	And I think that a lot of people are coming out with it, so I'm expecting more projects.
	I also was planning to do a sequel to Into Africa, about Into America, which shows the true age of humans in America going back 60,000 years, not 12,000.
	15,000.
	You've got lost civilizations in the Americas.
	So I'm hoping to do that.
	And a global lost civilization that was destroyed 13,000 years ago.
	Those are two other projects.
	All right.
	So, well, in other words, Atlantis.
	You're going, you want to get into that?
	Yeah, that one's going to be Atlantis, the global Atlantis story.
	Right.
	Yeah, and into America.
	And then, yeah, there will be, obviously, as I say, these other projects bubbling, which are more to do with this extraterrestrial data.
	I think that I'm not going to be able to escape from that.
	Obviously, I'm getting nudged along by these forces, if you want us to help with that.
	Absolutely.
	Well, it's fascinating.
	Now, in Daniela's case...
	I kind of have the feeling, even though her name's on the book, you're not really delving into so much the stuff she's getting.
	Like, does she have books about her own, whether it's, I don't know, if she calls a channeling or her own information that she has?
	She's a very gifted psychic, medium, and shaman.
	I guess a lot of stuff happening all the time.
	Her life, look, from two years old, out-of-body experiences onwards, you know what I mean, with entities, visitors, conversations with Akinaton coming to see her, shadow beings coming in her room.
	Her whole life is paranormal.
	She doesn't tend to write so much, so what I've done is put in some of what's happened to her in this book, in the early part, and put it as her as the narrator, if you like.
	So, although I do most of the actual writing and the hard science, The voice of the book is kind of her and it starts off introducing some of what's happened to her and why it connects with her personal experiences that we touched on earlier about these abduction type time travel astral journeys that she's had.
	So they'll find that there's material from Daniela at the beginning of the book and some of her experiences.
	So she's in there.
	I guess you'd say I'm the hardcore researcher geek kind of guy so I do the technical stuff.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Now, there's just going to take a couple questions here and, you know, see what we get.
	One person wants to know how long did it take to write the book?
	I did it fairly quick because I already knew kind of where I was going.
	Probably about six months, roughly.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously, again, it stretches back to things that have happened over the years, but to sit down and put it all together about six months.
	Okay, now there's a question here.
	Any thoughts about Nibiru?
	And I would say the corollary to that is a question you didn't quite answer that I asked, having to do with Anunnaki and Kinanlil, whether you're even familiar with the Zakaria Sitchin material.
	Yeah, I mean, my perspective on this, I think that the best books on this subject are actually not by him, but by Leonard Farah and his books on the Pleiadians through time, which he deals with Stone Age, the Middle East, the New World, okay?
	And he shows that, yeah, really, that...
	Those legends are about Plydeans and others.
	Again, that conflict that came to the Middle East about 5,000, 6,000 years ago.
	And so what they have in there mixed in when they say about the creation of humans, it's like a bit of a Chinese whispers.
	It's not as accurate as what I'm giving you in this book.
	But yes, certainly they have some legends of the creations of humans by aliens mixed in.
	But they don't have very good dates, right?
	Okay, now, well, I don't know if you know the material that I've been interviewing a while back.
	Eddie Page, who claims to be a Pleiadian child and part of a group of 33 children brought to Earth as part of a kind of experiment the Pleiades were doing with the humans here.
	But...
	Whether it's true or not, we don't know.
	However, you know, he has some evidence and so on.
	But he is basically saying that the Pleiadians, in essence, this is how he classifies it.
	He says the Anunnaki...
	Are the warrior sort of portion of the Pleiadians.
	So are you familiar with that terminology?
	Are you familiar with the idea that the Pleiadians might have a warrior caste?
	Again, when we say Pleiadians, again, I look at it as a Pleiadian alliance.
	So amongst that alliance, there are War-like or warrior-like cultures.
	Again, we touched on the Leonides.
	Right.
	But this would be a humanoid race.
	And it is true also that the Anunnaki...
	It gets more confusing because the Anunnaki, a portion of them were invaded by the reptilians and actually became a hybrid race of reptilian-humanoid hybrids.
	And that's where you get a lot of what are called reptoids.
	I don't know if you know about that kind of terminology, but the reptoids are standing, you know, just not looking.
	They don't, you know, they don't look like...
	Alligators on their hind legs the way they do on the Egyptian temples.
	They look like humans, so they've got a humanoid body and variation on the facial features and such.
	One of the types of beings that Daniela saw in her experiences when she was going Again, I don't know the best word for it, because not physically abducted, but her consciousness being taken by the beings to the past, whatever we want to call it, astral time travel abduction, you know, things are so weird, there's not even words anymore.
	Right.
	So she's taken back, but one of the things she sees, apart from tall braids, Pleiadian hybrids, and reptilians, not reptilians, it's reptilians that are human-like, you know what I'm saying?
	So they look like people, but their skin is reptilian skin.
	Right.
	So they're clearly not The reptilians that most people see, which look very lizard-like, these are very human-like.
	So again, in the same way that there are Pleiadian hybrids running the city there in Mayan Palenque, who are seven foot, eight foot, nine foot tall.
	They're not like the Mayan five foot tall people.
	But you've also got, yes, a group of reptilian humans who are clearly some sort of hybrids.
	So again, that would mesh with what you're saying.
	Yeah, that would be what I think Ashina Dean calls the Syrian Anunnaki, if I have it correct.
	No guarantees there, but, you know, it's just a name.
	It may not, you know, it's one that's come down through history, and I guess from the Sumerian tablets, I think that word might have come from there.
	But at any rate, it's all good.
	You know, Anu, the head of, actually, I mean, Eddie Page says the head of the Pleiadians is called Anu, and that it's a title for king.
	It doesn't really mean an individual.
	It means, actually, it's more of a title called Anu.
	Largely, look, the stories from the people of Mesopotamia 5,000 years ago largely are dealing with Pleiadian material.
	And you can see that because when you look into it, there's a lot of sevens in there.
	When you get sevens thrown around, seven planets, seven beings, seven this, this gives you the seven stars.
	You know, the seven stars of the Pleiades.
	That comes up a lot in that material.
	Yes, there's a lot of direct references.
	Again, I go to Leonard Farah's books.
	He really goes, I prefer his work, to be honest, to Sitchin's work because Sitchin has got a lot of mistranslations and has done, you know, in some areas of service, others a disservice to this subject, I'll be quite honest.
	You don't hear me talk about Sitchin's material because I'm not impressed with it, if I'm honest.
	I think Leonard Farah is much better at this, and he has supplied overwhelming evidence that there's a Pleiadian presence in that region 5,000, 6,000 years ago.
	I would say there's also evidence in there that there's a conflict.
	Like you said, there's these reptilians.
	We see the statuettes of these reptilians in the region.
	Again, so this is an ageless conflict.
	So they've come back around.
	And that's why I say, again, that they talk about the creation of humans.
	Yeah, they're right.
	I mean, this is something that, again, is being retold to them because the Pleiadians and others are there.
	So they're telling them, by the way, you've been created long ago by extraterrestrials.
	So again, the Sumerians have some stories about these creation by the gods because they're getting told this.
	Not because they remember what happened 780,000 years ago.
	Obviously, you can't.
	It's too long ago.
	They're getting told this again by the beings that, by the way, we've created you in the distant time before time.
	So, yeah, I mean, you do get that echo.
	Nirabu?
	No, I'll be honest.
	From what I can see, and I'm a geek, I go back to the sources, you know, I look at the tablets and stuff.
	Not the physical clay tablets, I don't have those, but in there, Nibru is described, rather Nerebu, and also it's described that the ships carry not only gold, but metal and wood and other stuff to Nibru.
	So if it's a planet, they need wood and chunks of metal.
	To me, it's clearly Nibru is a city in Mesopotamia, I don't want to go into a whole thing about stitching, but rocket ships carrying vast amounts of gold.
	You start thinking logic.
	These are advanced extraterrestrials.
	We've got a rocket ship for and how can you take off if you fill it with gold, the heaviest element on the planet?
	So, I mean, you can see there's some huge problems in that narrative because he's written it with the understanding of NASA technology at the time of the books.
	Well, isn't it also, well, it's also, you know, it depends what you're referring to as a rocket ship.
	I mean, I don't know in terms of Sitchin, you know, what he was kind of language he was using, but they were written quite a number of years ago.
	And what we refer to very easily at this time, you know, free energy or zero point energy or whatever, they didn't necessarily use those terminologies.
	So maybe rocket was closest thing to it.
	It just depends.
	You know, it can be something simple as that.
	There is a problem.
	Again, I don't want to go to a whole bash of it, but I just say that I find enough problems in it that I would refer people to Leonard Farrer's work rather than to Citrin's work.
	Perfectly fine.
	They'll find it better.
	Yeah, no problem.
	So, someone, again, someone's asking a question that we actually already answered about whether you spent time with the Australian Aborigines and you said no.
	You have been in touch with some online.
	Let me see.
	Someone wants to know, you said something about the ships, the Black Fleet on the other side of the moon.
	Do you have anything else to add with regard to that or your experience with that?
	Well, I mean, I can recommend That people go and have a look at the recently released book Incident at Devil's Den by Terry Lovelace in which he describes the ships.
	It's number one in the UFO section on Amazon and for good reason.
	Terry is one of the few people that's managed to go through the OSI interview without having his mind fully wiped or being killed for not having it wiped.
	And he's managed to retain memories from a debriefing by the OSI in which...
	They allow you to recall the memories and then wipe them.
	So as an abductee, he had a whole load of these memories.
	He remembered being on the ships and he describes these vast ships.
	He goes into more detail about them.
	So if people want to know a little bit of an inside view of what is it like to end up taken up in one of them, initially a giant triangle one, It ferries him across to the moon and he's transferred to one of these enormous motherships.
	I recommend they go into that.
	These are vast ships with hybrids in pods.
	Are you in touch with this person?
	What's their name again?
	Terry Lovelace.
	I'd really recommend you reach out to him.
	I'd be happy to bring this person on my show.
	The name of the book is what?
	Incident at Devil's Den.
	Okay, sounds very interesting.
	He was taken at Devil's Den, which is one of the national parks.
	I don't know the US very well, but he was at Devil's Den, wherever exactly that is, in one of the national parks.
	This was when he was in the military.
	He was way back.
	More recently, he's been in the legal profession, so he kept it quiet.
	You know, he's in the legal profession, saying you for a lifetime of stuff to eat.
	You know, he would have ruined his career.
	So he's kept it quiet until he's retired and now he's come out with it.
	I don't want to get too much into his stuff because he can tell you all this, but he was given a warning by a hybrid recently saying not to put the book out, not to talk about specific things because he said loads of people talk about their abductions.
	They said, yes, Terry, but not the big ships and not some other things that you say.
	We don't want them talking about that.
	Your government won't like it for a start.
	And we, you know, we don't like it much, but the government are the ones that really can have their eye on you, Terry, if you talk about those big ships.
	So there is an issue with that.
	That's one of the things that the secret government are not keen on people knowing about.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	That's actually true.
	I think that's true.
	I've reason to believe that's true.
	So, okay.
	Well, very good.
	Now, I'm just looking, scanning the chat one more time to see if there's anything else here.
	Somebody thinks we're going to have a solar flash.
	I'm not sure if they mean an EMP or what exactly they're referring to, but do you have, I'm not sure how this relates to what you're talking about, but maybe they think you're in contact or your wife is or something.
	Yeah, my understanding for quite a long time now has been that the sun is going through a regenerative cycle, right, and that we're seeing some really strange solar activity.
	I mean, even in 2012, I talk a bit about this because the sun was acting very strange, you know, that there was suspicions that there might have been an outburst of energy.
	Now it's going towards this idea that it may be a period of inactivity and a, you know, a Like a winter, you know, a global winter, like a global kind of ice age for like a period.
	But yeah, I suspect that we still may see this outburst from the sun.
	And it's related to the idea that there are galactic superwaves of energy that come out from the center of our galaxy, pass through, you know, star systems on their way out, and they kind of activate the stars that they go past.
	And like there's definitely in the ancient recordings, you know, in the art, you see images that seem to represent Strange energies seen in the sky, you know, so again, I think we're living in strange times.
	We may see that happen during the events that still are plausibly on our timeline.
	Timelines is an issue, and as you know, you know, and I'm sure you've discussed it.
	Timelines is an issue because, in my view, and not mine alone again, we jumped a timeline back in that 2012-2013 kind of time that There was a timeline that many saw that could have been problematic.
	Others saw a timeline that was really beneficial.
	From my current understanding, not directly, but from other people as well that are getting information, is that two or three timelines have merged.
	There's a really strange phenomenon, people may know, that this effect of people remembering stuff that didn't happen.
	Right, yeah.
	I can't remember what they call it.
	The Mandela effect.
	I remember Nelson Mandela, you know, dying in prison.
	And there's been a large number of people These strange memories and it fits precisely with what I've been told which is that there's a kind of merging of these different timelines and we're now in a unique strange timeline where two or three merged and an old universe sort of collapsed in behind us and that's why in some ways it's why so many beings are interested in Earth.
	It seems to me to do with this collapsing in of the universe from this timeline jump that they apparently didn't want to happen There's been some kind of incident in this experiment where they time-travelled to see the Earth, right?
	Then somehow the timelines of the unseeded and seeded Earth and another timeline became mixed up.
	We're now living in kind of uncharted territory.
	Right.
	Well, there is a notion that there's a parallel Earth, and that would be the one you're talking about coming in behind, so to speak, and that there may be a merging of the two.
	In fact, There's a television show that was made.
	The only part of it, I don't know if they stopped producing it or whatever, but it was called...
	I don't know if I can remember the name of it.
	It started with a C, something like Contact.
	It wasn't Contact, but...
	Anyway, whatever.
	So, yeah, I appreciate that.
	And, of course, everyone knows the TV show Fringe was actually talking about sort of an ability to go back and forth, which we do know that the Secret Space Program has that.
	So, well, look, at this point, I think, you know, rather than go too much off topic, it has been fascinating talking with you, and it'd be lovely to have you back.
	Certainly, Daniela is welcome if she'd like to join us anytime in the future.
	And I think, you know, people have really enjoyed the show.
	So it's great.
	Great having you here.
	Great.
	You're very well-spoken.
	And, you know, you're really covered a lot of ground here.
	And I think people will find your book and this other book that you recommend.
	Valerie, her book's name, again, is...
	Do you want to say it?
	Sure.
	So, yeah, Al-Charinga, When the First Ancestors Were Created.
	Also, yeah, you know, I always drop the other people that are worth reading.
	So, again, Leonard Farrow's books on the Pladeans in history.
	And that other one I just mentioned, you know, Incident at Devil's Den.
	Those ones I recommend as well.
	Excellent.
	Now, do you want to give your website and anything else pertinent to, you know, what you're doing in the future before we let you go?
	Well, I'm very active at the moment on Twitter, and I'm always happy for people to ask me questions about this material on there.
	You know, I'm one of those few researchers, authors that's up front.
	I'm there available.
	I don't hide because, you know, I stand by the things I put out there.
	I'm open to being questioned on it.
	So if anyone wants to follow me, it's...
	Hybridhumans144 on Twitter.
	See hybridhumans.net, the website.
	I've got brucefenton.info, my personal website.
	Also ancientnews.net, which covers a lot of archaeology, anthropology stuff.
	So, I mean, there's a few places they can find me.
	I'm not using Facebook very much these days, so I'm not going to recommend it, but Twitter or my websites would be the best places.
	As soon as the next project is kind of ready, Kerry, I'll definitely give you a shout, whether it's the next Alien one or the next Atlantis Lost History one, I'll definitely let you know.
	Okay, very good.
	All right, well, it's, again, lots of fun and fascinating talking with you, and so thank you for being here today, and take care.
	Thank you very much, Kerry.
	It's nice talking to you because obviously you know a lot about this stuff already, so it makes it a lot easier.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	So that's really fascinating stuff, and some of it does actually relate to things that we've been Uh, dealing with and I've got some very weird lighting stuff going on here.
	Oh my God.
	Um, so I don't, I guess I should just turn off my video until I can get this thing to work properly.
	I think I'll just put the banner here for my parting remarks.
	But at any rate, so I think that this is well worth investigating everything he says, and I think his book will give you a lot of background on that.
	I think what we can do is also...
	Take a look at the other books he's referencing as well as if I can get this other person, Terry, on the show.
	That would be quite fascinating regarding the ships on the other side of the moon.
	There's more than one person talking about that.
	So that's an interesting story that needs following up.
	So thanks again for watching today and please do visit Project Camelot and take a look at All of my videos, I think I've got 700 interviews on my channel now, maybe more, and certainly several years of radio shows, and those are available on ProjectHamlot.tv, ProjectHamlot.org, and ProjectHamlotPortal.com.
	They all go to the same place.
	So that's it for today, and actually tomorrow I do have a guest.
	I'm assuming it happens, you know, because I was involved in the fires.
	We just got back yesterday.
	I wasn't sure what was going to happen this week.
	So, theoretically, I have a guest tomorrow night, Terry Gillette, and we're going to be talking about mind wear.
	And a very interesting researcher, Terry Gillette.
	So if all things go as planned, that will happen tomorrow night at 7 p.m.
	Pacific time.
	And so hope to see you guys here again then.
	So thanks for watching and listening and take care and have a great night.

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