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Nov. 7, 2018 - Project Camelot
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JASON RICE AND TONY RODRIGUES - SECRET SPACE PROGRAM RECRUITS - SHOW ONE
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Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
I just got done recording a show here on YouTube, or at least I thought I was recording it, with Jason Rice and Tony Rodriguez, and they are recruits for the Secret Space program, and this is quite a fascinating show.
However, the buttons on YouTube didn't work properly, and it wasn't recorded.
We didn't find out until the end, but luckily I made a copy In audio, so you will be able to see it.
You just won't see the active video.
So, very sorry about this.
It's never happened to me before.
I've done like 700 shows here on YouTube, and this button has always worked in the past.
It actually is either red for stop or green for go.
In this case, I didn't notice, but it went into this gray area and hung there the whole show.
Very, very odd.
Anyway, enjoy the show, and it's quite fascinating.
Thank you for watching.
Bye-bye.
Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here today With two very interesting individuals, and we're going to be talking about the secret space program, Mars, the Moon, and these experiences that both these guys have been having in their past, and I'm not sure whether it's ongoing or not, so we're going to find that out.
So we're just calling them secret space program recruits, kind of for a A lack of another kind of designation and they will both sort of share their titles etc.
Now they've been interviewed by GuyMTV and also by Jimmy Church so far and that's what I know as far as they've done interviews.
So I'd like to welcome Jason Rice and Tony Rodriguez and I'm gonna switch the screen over to them here and Just bear with me if we do have some bandwidth issues.
We have two guys on at once, and sometimes that can be an issue.
All right, so go ahead.
Guys, want to say hello to the audience?
Well, certainly.
Hello, everybody.
Thank you for having me on the show today, Gary.
I certainly appreciate the opportunity.
Hi, everybody.
It's good to be here, and it's great to be on.
Meet you, Gary, for the first time, and I'm glad to do this.
This is my first time, really, with Jason live.
We've been in We've been in contact with each other through Gaia for a while now, so it's good.
I'm still learning about his story.
I'm happy to be here and continue.
Excellent.
Okay, so now I have these bios for you guys, but they're way too long.
What I prefer is like a short paragraph, so I don't know if I can even sum this up, but give me a chance here, and then I'm going to ask you to obviously augment what I have to say.
So it looks like at age two, Jason befriended a human appearing visitor named, uh, Stian or Stein.
How do you say the name?
Stein?
Stian.
Stian.
Okay.
Uh, whose mission was to observe and learn about Earth's cultures and people.
This friendship marked a pivotal time in his early childhood.
And, uh, he explains why he became an escape artist and, And those that have listened to Jimmy Church, his show, you will have heard some of that story, I'm sure.
And ultimately, he got involved in a military my lab project.
And he was identified as an intuitive empath, enrolled in experimental behavior studies in 1977, and I guess in 1986 is the end of a seven-plus year MyLab training regime.
And most of his time in active duty pertains to a program that he was involved in, and I'm gonna kind of skim through this quickly, and we'll just jump over to Tony Rodriguez.
Okay, so Tony is, let's see, he says he's 46 years a married father, and From a name I can't pronounce, Michigan.
And calls himself a working class man.
Normal is kind of a question mark there.
Let's see.
He was involved, he calls himself a human, I think you're calling yourself sort of a slave or a sex slave, involved with satanic worshipping and the elite being used in this way.
I'm assuming this wasn't with your permission, but we're going to find that out.
And later sold off to secret space programs where he served on Mars for a short time as a support soldier for the Mars Colony Corporation.
And then got involved in the Ceres Colony Corp, where he lived for over a decade and was working on German ships as a repairman and eventually a cargo engineer on interstellar trade missions.
So, that's pretty brief and as brief as I want to be right now.
So, let's start with Jason.
And Jason, can you augment this?
And this is, you know, it's...
I kind of brought you both on at your request that some reason you wanted to appear together.
Maybe there's safety in numbers or maybe there was a rationale behind it.
So maybe you can tell the audience why you decided to come on the show together and maybe the parallels between your backgrounds or if that's part of the reason you wanted to come on together.
Okay, I caught most of that.
Some of the audio was cutting out a little bit.
The reasons why we wanted to appear together.
I'm happy to let you go first, Tony, if you'd like.
Well, no, actually, Jason, I was asking you to go first.
Oh, all right.
Fair enough.
Reasons why are because I think teamwork and cooperation on the full disclosure effort is what's ultimately going to be required for us to achieve full disclosure and part of that is that some of the information that the experiencers and vets have to provide can be linked or connected together based on some of the information that each of us has individually and so I Tony and I thought that working
together and this effort would be a great opportunity to do that to show that there are Many benefits to working together to try and solve the full disclosure puzzle, the SSP full disclosure puzzle, and so this was what we felt was a good opportunity to do so.
Okay, so you're an advocate of disclosure, clearly, and it looks like you're an American patriot.
You've got an American flag behind you, if one can draw that conclusion.
And then over to Tony.
Tony, did you want to talk a little bit about your rationale for coming on the show together, maybe your thoughts along that, how that works out for you, and then we're kind of going to keep going back and forth between the two of you, and then maybe something about your background and who you are, so the audience can kind of encapsulate who you are.
Sure.
Well, I didn't go through...
I wasn't groomed for the space program.
I was kind of more of a victim of it.
In the early years, I had made somebody mad that had access to it, and they put me in that program, the score and back, or whatever, however you want to call it, whatever we call it nowadays, where I was taken at night and did 20 years and put back.
And during that time, I was a slave.
So it was done as a punishment to me.
It wasn't because I was the best man for the job.
So my particular situation is much different than other people you've heard in that regard.
But why me and Jason are working together is what I've found is that, you know, since I've done my first, I've done over 40 interviews now, and since the first one's with Dr.
Sala, people have reached out to me, and most people don't remember as much, and people that remember quite a bit don't want to talk about it.
And what I've found is that the absolute best therapy is to speak to other people that experience it, and me and Jason have been Able to do that.
I've talked to other people and just talking about it with somebody that understands what you mean when he uses the term parting gift that they gave you, some trauma programming on the way out.
Somebody else that's experienced it really can help you deal with it.
When you can talk about it and just the look in their eye when they understand what you're saying.
Since we've met, We've been really good at that and there's been many things that later on in my service I had a hair of rank.
I was a slave, still a slave laborer, but I was in charge of other slaves.
So I had a hair of rank and I got to know a little bit of the workings that went on just in the last few years.
And everything that Jason's told me privately has matched up from what he understands of the workings Of that fleet up there.
So he's told me things that really matched up and supported it.
So I don't listen to everybody else's story.
I've kind of tried to turn it all off, the researching, and just deal with it from what I know.
But I think it's very important for people that are our experiencers in any way to not just be quiet about it and not be silenced about it, whether they're endorsed by somebody, some researcher or not.
I think it's important for people to find others and talk about it.
Okay, fair enough.
And I certainly agree with that.
Now, in terms of your background, I guess we'll go back to Jason at this point.
Jason, if you can encapsulate in maybe sort of a short paragraph...
What you did in the Secret Space program.
So this is not really so much about your childhood other than, you know, we'll get into some of that later, but just for people who are watching and really want to understand, who is it I'm talking to right now?
Who are these two guys?
What did they do in the Secret Space program?
So what rank did you reach and what, if you could kind of sum up your experience and the number of years, also tell us that in the program.
Sure.
The name of the program that I was a part of was called Career Return, and it essentially was Earth providing 24,000 approximately, 24,000 ground forces for use by the Mars German Breakaway Civilization.
What we were told initially was that it was going to be used for border patrol, and it turned out that what it was, what it amounted to, was a false flag operation in which we were helping planetary populations defend their planet.
There weren't enough of us to fight for them, so our mission was to help train, help them build up their defenses, help them to create their own defense plan so that they could ultimately be the ones defending their planet.
And the 20 years that I spent in that program I made it up through the rank-up major.
The way that the program is organized is that rank for above a major, that of lieutenant colonel and general staff, is all held by Mars Germans.
And that's part of the original Earth agreement, so that the Mars Germans would maintain their control of the operations.
Ten different carrier groups that were involved were all manned and run by Mars German Navy personnel.
The IDAR forces were basically catching a ride to our eventual destinations for the missions that we were sent on.
Those were not our organic assets, the ships.
It'd be something very similar to the current arrangement with Marines on a naval vessel.
While they may share some of the firefighting or safety or emergency rescue operations, they are not directly involved in the day-to-day operation of the ship, and that was what we experienced.
Okay, now a couple questions here for what you said.
IDAR, can you define those initials stand for what so our audience can understand?
Sure, sure, absolutely.
IDARF. It stands for the Interplanetary Defense and Reaction Forces.
Okay, and you're saying those are not part of the German, the Mars Germans as you're calling them.
Okay.
It is part of the Mars Germans fleet, Mars Germans forces.
There were 24,000 Earth humans that were part of the fleet.
There were a total of 10 carrier groups.
That those personnel were spread throughout.
There were an equal number of Mars Germans, so there were a total of 48,000 total, 24k of those from Earth and the other 24k from Mars.
Does that explain it?
Sort of.
I mean, at first you started out saying that it was more like the Marines kind of helped out and that this IDF ARF or whatever was more like that, so that they weren't actually part of, they were helping out, but they weren't part of the original fleet.
Now you're saying they are part of the original fleet.
I'm not sure.
Maybe I misunderstand.
Sure, sure.
What I'm saying is that their role on board a naval spaceship is similar to that of the current conventional Marines.
And that the Marines aren't responsible for any of the engineering or the navigation or the day-to-day operations per se of the ship.
We were catching a ride, and that was essentially what we did on the Mars German.
Naval ships.
Okay, so you were a fighting force.
You were not involved in overall operations.
That's correct.
Okay, fair enough.
That's correct.
Now, there was something else you said in the very beginning that was unclear to me.
I wonder if you remember what you said.
Ah, shoot.
Okay, well, maybe we can circle back unless you can think of perhaps some clarifying...
Now, is there a reason why you have these numbers?
You know, not like overall numbers, numbers of fleets, numbers of this, number of that, in your own particular...
Sort of situation because most, all of the whistleblowers that I've encountered never get that detailed in terms of numbers.
Were you, was that part of your job?
It was part of the information that I came across during my training and I was also responsible at point during my career for training new people coming into IDAR. So that information was what I had available to me at the time.
Okay, and these fleets of...
How many...
Are these vessels?
Are these ships, you know, in other words, you know, like UFOs, triangles, do you know what they were?
The ships varied in shape.
There were a large number of different shuttlecrafts.
The interplanetary ships that we used were either cigar-shaped or a modified wedge, if you will.
It's almost like an...
An arrowhead was the general shape.
Okay.
Just very large.
Right.
Okay.
And what kind of ship were you on predominantly?
Predominantly?
Well, I shared time on both kinds of ships from the large cigar shape to the arrowhead shape.
But again, we were catching a ride.
So most of my time spent And IDARF was on the ground, on another planet, in theater of operations.
Okay.
And were you...
So you were a soldier predominantly, is that correct?
That's correct.
Okay.
And you went up through the ranks.
And how many years do you consider yourself having served in the secret space program?
My term of service in IDARF was just...
Over 20 years.
It was like 20 years in a couple months.
Okay, but in real time, were you gone for like, you know, three hours, or were you gone for, you know, a longer period of time?
How does that work in earthly years?
It worked out that the amount of equal time was 20 years and two months, but my reinsertion back to the initial departure point happened a Within a couple of hours of my receiving my change of orders.
Okay, so...
Well, just to clarify for the audience, are you saying, you know, there have been other people that have talked about this?
Obviously, I've interviewed Randy Kramer, but there's also a guy who...
Stephanie Relf, her husband, who talked about being...
You know, being taken on Mars and coming back in a matter of hours.
Are you saying that in this life, like if we were to sort of look at your life progress here on Earth, would it appear that you left for a couple hours total on Earth time or what?
That's a good approximation or a good explanation of it.
It would have appeared that I was gone for no more than a couple of hours, if that.
Okay.
Now, and we're going to get to you, Tony, because I don't want to jump too quickly between the two of you, otherwise people are going to come away going, what the hell did they just hear?
It's very confusing, because there's plenty of...
You know, stuff between the two of you, each of you having your own story.
So just sticking for the moment with Jason, I heard that you said you were an engineer in this life.
I'm thinking here on planet Earth.
Is that your job here on planet Earth?
You were an engineer or you are an engineer type of thing?
My graduation from college was with a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering and that has been my profession.
In the conventional sense, yes.
Okay, so now, do you consider yourself still working for the Secret Space Program and do you think that you are used in the astral in this way?
That's a good question.
No, I do not consider myself still being working for or involved with the Secret Space Program.
As far as like being a special asset for astral work, Okay, and have you ever been regressed?
I have had some hypnosis therapy through Georgina Cannon, and the one three-hour session is all that I've had to this day.
Okay, and when did you start recovering your memories?
At what age?
Well, the memories started coming back very quickly right after my exit From the military, and that was back in 1997.
The flow of more memories coming back started occurring in October of 2016.
Between 1997 and 2016, I would have certain recalls that I didn't put any context to.
Only with being able to look back and see the context have I been able to connect some of the pieces that didn't have any connections before.
Most of the pieces came through and started coming through in the fall of 2016.
Okay and do you know what triggered that?
You know I've been asked that before on a number of occasions and there are I believe a number of reasons why.
Two decades passing, 20 years, seems to be a milestone for a lot of trauma victims recalling their own individual traumas.
So I think the time frame has something to do with it.
I think also the individual consciousness has something to do with it.
I think that the Earth's energies has something to do with it.
Essentially what I'm saying is that I cannot point to any one thing and say, that's the one switch that led to this.
Okay, now were you following things like, you know, because actually Project Camelot is one of the first people that, that's me, that interviewed really the first, I think the first super soldier to come forward, which is Duncan O'Finian.
And after that, you know, we had sort of a stream of them, and there continued to be what are called super soldiers.
Now, I haven't actually asked you this, but I do believe you said you had some kind of augmentation.
I don't know if you still consider that you have augmentation in your body at this time, but in other words, were you familiar with Project Camelot?
Are you familiar with Duncan O'Finian?
And the super soldier programs that have been sort of talked about now and they're bandied about everywhere, really.
Sure, sure.
To answer your question, no.
I was not aware of Project Camelot.
I was not aware of super soldier testimonies.
I do not consider myself to be a super soldier, and that's certainly not any of the terms that I would use to describe my terms of service.
Okay, but you did have augmentation, is that correct?
We all in the program for IDARF received Nanite Enhancement Therapies, which was a number of different protocols, not just one, but it was enhancements to help with, for instance, radiation resistance or augmentations to our eyes or ears or the communication protocols that allowed us to carry on a conversation with the higher command.
So, yes, there were some augmentations.
We refer to them as enhancements.
Okay, fair enough.
I do too.
But nonetheless, just for the colloquial term for this kind of...
A soldier with enhancements is super soldier.
That's just a loose kind of term.
Now, the idea of a soldier being more than just a normal human without augmentation of any kind or enhancements, as you call them.
So...
In your case, did you have muscular enhancements and were you recovered?
Because I heard you tell Jeremy Church that you'd killed, if I understood it, thousands of aliens.
So normally one gets injured in the process of battle.
Were you given, you know, sort of instant repair or the ability to repair yourself instantly?
And do you have any musculature differences?
You don't look like a big guy, but I don't know.
We can't really tell on video.
I don't know how tall you are or any of that kind of thing.
So I don't know if you have, you know, under that jacket, big muscles and this kind of thing.
I don't know if you're super tall or something.
Do you have this kind of, you know, augmentation physically?
Or is it only kind of in other ways?
Well, the enhancements that we received were nanite-driven.
And once all of those nanites were cleaned from my system, all of the enhancements that I had during the time were gone.
So, any of the...
So, okay, when you say nanites, just sorry, but you say nanites, you're talking about nano.
Nanotechnology.
Okay, well we're getting nano right now from the chemtrails, every human on the planet, so I doubt that it's actually cleared out of your system completely because we've all got it, but given that you're saying you have a special...
I would say that the enhancements that IDARF provided were cleaned out, so any of the other nanite particles or those others present in the atmosphere, there's a short, of course there's a chance that we're Okay, so did they wear out or were they taken out purposely by the people you worked for?
They were removed as part of a 10-day procedure that I went through upon exit.
Okay, and when you had the nanites, did they enhance your physicality?
Yes, they did.
They enhanced them.
You couldn't tell the difference from the outside, but the models were essentially inside from And were you injured?
In other words, did you like Randy Kramer?
Were you killed and you were able to come back to life basically?
Were you any of these kind of things?
I did receive injuries during my combat tours.
And I would say that the nanites sped up the natural healing process.
It wasn't a matter of dying and then being reinserted with my consciousness and placed into a clone.
It was more of a healing the body that I've got without going anywhere process.
Okay.
So now I'm going to move over to Tony and thank you for that.
You know, sorry to be kind of, I'm firing questions, but I, you know, in the short time we have to cover some ground and to deal with both of you when I'll be.
I'm sure we can get some information out here for the public.
So, Tony, I'm going to ask you some of the same questions I just ran through with Jason, so you're kind of lucky you got to hear him deal with it.
But if you can encapsulate yourself, and I know you have said you sort of started out as an Illuminati sex slave, if that's correct, and then you got recruited somehow into the space program to be a slave for them.
What kind of a slave were you and also were you mainly a slave on the moon or Mars or other planets also?
Okay so basically it was a 20-year term that I was taken and in the beginning I wasn't the very beginning wasn't a sex slave service seems I was privately owned And I went through a program, a CIA remote viewing program, where we were classified as clones and trained to do psychic work, like intuitive work.
And I ended up living in Porto, Tahuantinsuyo, Peru, and I was a psychic that they were drugging and they could put me under and I was being used as a security measure for an airplane that shipped cocaine.
From Porto, Tijuana, and Suyo to Santa Marta, Columbia.
That was like 1,200 miles.
Okay.
You called yourself...
Just wait one second.
Sorry.
You called yourself a clone.
Was that purposeful or is that a misunderstanding?
Well, I think it was a misunderstanding, but the doctors that worked on me in the beginning on the Earth that put me through that program, which I've traced back through Project Grillflame with the CIA, considered me a clone.
I don't know if they were told that so that they were disconnected from us or if there's some kind of technology where I was cloned and there was a consciousness transfer which the more I look at it adds up from what I went through.
I think the whole experience of taking people for 20 years and putting them back there is more than one technology that can do it.
I think there's many different technologies and certainly the ETs have different technologies that do the same thing.
Sure.
That being said, I did that for two or three years I was 10 when I was taken, so right around the age of puberty, 12 and a half or 13, I lost whatever abilities I had.
They were drugging me and putting me close to a near-death experience.
Apparently, I could channel and I did all kinds of things.
I had a guy there that would ask questions and I would ride on a plane so that they would know if the plane was going to encounter bad weather or be lost or if the police were going to be waiting.
They were using me for that purpose.
Okay, now you're saying this as if it happened in this is normal earthly time, something you were doing in so-called normal time.
So, at some point, once you were recruited for the Secret Space Program, asking you the same question I asked, Jason, were you taken off planet for a few hours that amounted to 20 years, or how would you classify that?
It was the same night.
I was taken at night after we went to bed.
We had the UFO experience.
I had rays and reptiles in my bedroom that carried me off.
And they put me back the very same night and I woke up and had breakfast with my family the next morning after living those 20 years.
Okay, interesting.
And what year was that that you lived those 20 years in?
In my original interviews, it was the school year of 81, so I thought 81, but the more I look back on it, it was around April of 82 that I was taken.
Okay, so now, are you currently still involved in the secret space program?
Do you feel you're used in the astral and or do you feel that if you're a clone, are you being replaced by various clones as you go through, you know, this existence, so to speak?
No, the term that they said was that they were going to borrow my consciousness.
And I was certainly, when I woke up in When I went through the airbase where I went through the trauma-based mind control, I had no memory of my life.
I had no memory of my family, my mom, dad, or anything.
When I woke up, in the original doctor examination, he asked me, do you remember your mom and dad?
And I said, no.
So I went through those 20 years with no memory of my life.
I did have interaction with an ET that showed me the house where I grew up, you know, while I was up there.
When I came back, I had no memory of the 20 years.
And I had my memories back of my life.
It certainly seems logical that I was taken, like whatever my Sparkle Life Conscience was taken out of one and put into another blank slated body and then put back.
And so that way those years weren't remembered.
And again, after the 20 years, you know, I always had brief memories, but right after the 20 year mark, right after, you know, 2000, then I had an MRI done and that's what triggered the memories.
Also at that same time is when I discovered Randy Kramer's first interviews that explained about the 20 years and how they could do temporal time dilation and put people back in the same night.
And that's when it all came.
I was in denial of everything I had remembered.
I was in complete denial.
When could I have had time to stand and look out the window of a starship over the planet Ceres and look down?
When could I have done that?
I had chronological memory of my whole entire life.
So there was no time for me to go and learn an entire career.
Because in those memories, I had a career.
I had friends.
I had a life.
I remember how I got...
It's not a dream.
In a dream, you don't remember how you got there.
If you're dreaming, you're walking through a store, you don't remember how you drove to the store or how you went home.
In a memory, you can actually go, oh, I drove to the store, and oh, I went home after that.
And that's what the difference was.
But I was in denial of all that, because when could I have had the time?
So when I learned about the time travel, Which was actually, coincidentally, only a few weeks after I had an MRI, just like Ralph did.
It all came back to me.
It all just assembled.
I mean, it was overwhelming.
I had chunks of years of memories that assembled.
And I was able to remember, but I'm still remembering.
Okay, but when that happened to you, when you kind of had this MRI and then you started having memories and it sounds like it came like a lot, what was your psychological reaction to that?
I mean, did you go find yourself a therapist or how did you deal with that?
Well, I couldn't.
My immediate family, my wife at the time, didn't believe in aliens.
And, you know, I was a normal person, so that's not something you go to a therapist.
I wasn't going to go to a therapist and get Put on some medication.
It was shocking because, again, after the Peru time, I went back to a home for a billionaire in Seattle.
What have I found?
I found the home, exactly I remember it.
I can describe it, even though I wasn't in the...
This is a method of proof.
I found it.
I found the places that I remember.
I know my way around places in Seattle, which I had never gone in my life.
But those memories, during that time, he was a satanic elite billionaire involved with the CIA with drug trafficking.
Okay, now are you saying he's not that now?
He's dead now.
I found his obituary.
Oh, all right.
So, okay, so this happened, again, you said this kind of encapsulation happened in 1982.
And you went back there now, which is 20.
I was in Seattle for With doing that service, so they were throwing parties and we were being used as sex slaves for political fundraising parties, which I found newspaper clippings of.
I've confirmed those as well.
In what year was that?
From 83 to 86.
82 to 86, okay.
83.
83.
84 to 86.
Okay.
So, again, your state of mind when you started to have all these sort of bleed-throughs, were you...
You know, I mean, did you drink a lot?
How did you handle it?
No.
You know, I've had people accuse me of being schizophrenic or having some kind of, you know, mental problem.
And I don't.
I mean, if I did, I would go get checked out for it.
I would go get treatment.
But I'm not.
And during that time, other than being confused, you know, at that time, I just wanted someone to talk to because, again, you know, I wanted to put some...
Sanity to it.
I wanted to be able to talk to people that could say, oh, I wanted to be able to talk to Jason back then would have been great.
But I didn't.
I didn't speak to anybody for a long time.
And I contacted researchers and ended up being drafted into doing interviews rather than therapy.
I wanted to speak to others.
And it turns out that the immediate others that were public back then didn't want to speak to anybody.
Okay.
Now, what year was the MRI that you had?
It was the end of May 2015.
So relatively recently.
Yeah, May, April.
So the beginning, first week of April of 2015 was when I had the big recall event.
Okay, and when did you see the Randy Kramer stuff?
After that?
It was that week.
That was a switch.
The time travel aspect.
The time that you could be gone and experience 20 years and go back.
That was...
Kind of the switch that I went, oh my God, that happened.
You know, I had those, I had the memories already.
I had the memories.
And once I, once I didn't deny them as dreams and I said, whoa, these are memories.
It just hit me, man.
It just, it just, it rained on me.
All the big chunks of memories.
And I went, oh my God, that happened.
And in the following weeks I got on Google, I remembered the earth.
I remembered the time in Seattle, the house vividly.
And I remember Peru.
I still go back on Google and look through the town.
You know, it was my home for a long time.
And I got on Google and I went, oh my God, there it is.
And that was another, because I didn't want to believe it.
I didn't want to, you don't want to believe this stuff when you, you know, when you're getting it.
So I didn't want to believe it.
But all, ever since then, all my research I've done, and I've hired private investigators.
I have people, other people that are investigating for me.
And every time something turns up, all it does is support what I've, what I've remembered.
I haven't found anything to really dash in the water.
Okay, now were you, you say you were a slave, you spent 20 years, I don't know if it was off-planet, but do you consider it off-planet 20 years?
Well, the first six to eight, you know, it's not like they celebrated my birthday or I had access to something, so the dates are hard for me to recollect.
Well, just vaguely speaking, what I'm trying to get at is, were you a soldier, a slave soldier, or what kind of slave were you?
So, after the time in Seattle, they were drugging us, and they switched the drugs, and I became allergic to whatever they were giving us.
And so they sold me to the military, which was the threat.
If you don't behave here, you know, through that, it was like living in an orphanage.
And for those parties, they said, if you don't do that, you're going to be sold to the military.
And at that point, I was taken to the moon, to the trapezoid base on the back of the moon, and trained and augmented as well.
And, you know, I remember the nanites that only worked on the table you were on.
There was some process they did with the nanites that they would only work in that room, that the room was powering them while they were working, and then they came out.
So I don't think I got the full throttle of that stuff, but I was augmented, and I went through many surgeries during that time.
And then I went through just a fight-or-flight response.
They didn't give me any kind of tactical training.
We were basically a bounding maneuver for the real soldiers on Mars Colony.
And we wore white environmental suits, no armor, no anything.
We wore white suits and we were bait for the insectoids to attack so that they could fire from an elevated position.
It was a program they were trying to put numbers to meet the...
They were trying to put cheaper, easily trained troops with the real troops to match the numbers of the insectoids that they were fighting on Mars.
And so we were in a remote base that had been overrun and then repaired And I was there only maybe six months or so, and they canceled the program.
After that, I was retrained into ship repair and how to use tools to repair ships.
And I was sold, I guess, to the Ceres Colony Corporation, which is a small planetoid right after Mars.
And I lived there about 10 to 12 years, and that's where I did the bulk of my time.
Okay, now when you were repairing ships, you mean UFOs?
What kind of ships?
We rode a train in the morning to the ship and I took an umbilical aboard it in the very beginning and it was an antiquated ship.
It was more like a submarine on the inside.
It had submarine doors that closed and you had to step over them and it was automated.
There were other slaves like me inside and we were given, just like the order board for the cooks in McDonald's, they look up at the screen and tell them what to make.
We had screens that told us what to do step by step.
You were numbered and I was a number.
And it was, you know, I don't remember the number.
I don't remember a lot of the names or towns, but I was a number and it said, number such and such.
This is what you're going to do.
Step one, go get these tools and return.
And then when I returned, you know, it would know I was there.
And then it would give me the second step, take this and go to section A and it drew a map and I would follow it.
When I had a question, I could come back to that board and it told me how to maintain the ship and how to do repairs.
And it was basically submarine.
Okay.
When you dealt on Ceres, were you dealing with aliens or insectoids or threats of aggressive aliens, or did that whole sector sort of not coincide with your shipbuilding situation?
The Ceres colony had about 225,000 people living there.
There were two other ET races that were living there full-time, and there were many that were visiting.
What were the two other races living on series?
Well, there was one race that was taller, about nine feet tall, that had elongated skull, like really wide hips, and was a taller race, and they ran all the businesses.
They were under the Germans, but they managed basically every business.
They were the manager of every business.
So everywhere you went, if you went to a restaurant or anywhere else, there was one of those there as the manager.
There was another race We're good to go.
Race that lived there, and they basically did technological jobs.
They did the ship repair and ship maintenance.
So these were obviously working, these races were friendly races, races you were working with and for.
Is that correct?
I believe they were working under the Germans, for whatever reason, for a peace treaty reason.
So you were dealing with Germans the same as Jason was dealing with Germans?
The Ceres colony was a German breakaway colony.
Okay, and you knew they were German because why?
They spoke German or what?
They spoke German.
Everywhere you went, there was an eagle with a different symbol under it.
There was the rounded swastika in some places.
So Nazis, in other words, Nazis.
Yes.
Okay, did they have the Nazi, was the society ran, was it run in essence by calling fascists?
Was this a fascist colony on Ceres?
Yes, it was a military, it was ran by the military.
But they were German military?
Yes, and they reported to the Antarctica, the The high command on Ceres ran Ceres and had absolute power there, but they reported to the high command on Antarctica, and I believe that the high command on Antarctica reported to the reptilians around Jupiter.
I believe that's the order of command, but again...
Okay, what about Phobos?
I'm not familiar with any operations on Phobos.
Okay.
All right, so in terms of, I'm going to go back to Jason now, and thank you for that.
And Jason, so let's talk about the Germans a little bit.
How did you know they were Germans, and did they speak German?
Yes, that's a great question.
I knew they were Germans because the other officers that I first encountered that were from Mars, Germany, they indicated themselves Self-identified themselves as such.
And speaking the German language was something that was reserved among the leadership of the Mars German military.
If any of the Earth soldiers knew how to speak German, then that was turned off, if you will.
They reserved that language specifically so that they had a means to communicate among their own citizens without others being able to determine what it was that they were saying.
Okay, so you're calling them Mars Germans.
Why do you call them Mars Germans?
We referred to them as Mars Germans.
The other soldiers that I served with were from two separate cities, if you will.
From Mars, and they self-identified as Mars Germans.
They started off in Antarctica, and they still have a base there.
And they moved the bulk of their R&D later on in their civilization's existence to Mars, while they maintained a caretaking base, if you will, in Antarctica.
Okay, and is it your understanding that base still exists?
Yes.
Yes.
It's my understanding that it still exists.
Okay.
So were you part of also a fascistic situation?
Were you under orders and was it run like what we consider fascist Nazi Germany would have been run?
All I can tell you is that the chain of command that I was under in IDARF It was very similar to the chain of command that I was in under the U.S. Army.
And so you have commanders, you follow orders, and you issue orders for your subordinates.
Okay, but these were Germans that you have specified that.
The chain of command were Germans, is that correct?
That's correct.
The Mars Germans.
Okay, so did they behave like Nazis?
In other words, within the fact that they also behaved like the chain of command in the U.S., Was there a distinguishing behavior that would indicate to you that they came from a culture, a shared culture, related to Nazi Germany?
I would say that no, not necessarily, simply because a lot of times military chain of command could be seen as a dictatorship, and there's specific reasons for that.
So, as far as getting into politics, they weren't allowed to talk About their at-home politics.
So the things that we talked about had to do with military training or the current events going on with where we were.
Yeah, but you must have seen lots of movies with Nazis in them that are in ranks of power and there's a distinctive behavior within being, let's say, a Nazi general as opposed to an American general in theory because their philosophies of life And the way to run a world may, at root, be different.
In other words, there's a fascistic consciousness that pervades Germany, why they would refer to themselves as German, why they would use their language exclusively.
So were you not aware, or are you trying to say that if there were, and I don't know if you're trying to say that there were no American generals there, You're just saying the entire people that you reported to were all Germans.
That the chain of command for lieutenant colonel and above were all Mars Germans.
Now, that means that majors, captains, lieutenants were what the earth forces were allowed to, the positions that the earth forces were allowed.
As far as the Mars Germans being different, There were some like you encountered in everyday life that had an arrogant streak that put any, you know, Hollywood actor to shame.
So I would say that from the standpoint of their elitism or their self-identifying as being better, of course, there were some of them like that.
There were also some that did not share that particular character trait.
Does that answer your question?
To some degree, yes.
So in terms of the William Tompkins information, are you familiar with that whistleblower?
I'm familiar with some, and I would like to say that I deliberately did not do a lot of research, specifically so that I can go to sleep each night knowing that the information that I remembered is mine.
And not something that was data mined from elsewhere.
Sure.
So to answer your question, I am familiar with some of William Tompkins' testimony, but I am by no means familiar with all of it.
Okay, now did you think that the Germans were reptilian?
No.
Okay, so you saw no indication that those Mars Germans, as you're calling them, were reptilian?
That's correct.
Okay.
Were they taller than normal?
They varied in height between 5'10 to 6'2.
So just a normal human height?
Yeah, normal human height.
Okay, that's interesting.
So when you were on Mars, and how long were you on Mars?
I was on Mars for two separate periods of time.
The first was during training, during my initial training in IDARF. And the second was while I was going through extensive healing and recovery after an injury.
So my limited experiences on Mars, because our original training there was spent out in the Doonies.
I mean, we were essentially out in a Martian equivalent of a desert.
We didn't see any cities, didn't see any buildings.
So you didn't do battle on Mars, you only were there recovering and being trained?
That's correct.
And in training you weren't trained in battle there?
Oh no, we were trained in battle there.
Some of our life in a suit was how we referred to it because the four months that we spent during that particular training leg or rotation were spent almost entirely in our combat suits.
Okay, were you dealing with insectoids or any other kind of...
No.
So how do they train you if you don't have any opponents?
Well, that was the beauty of the either augmented or the digital realities that we were able to tune into.
They used some of the same things that are used currently or conventionally, which are either...
Remote power or remote operated.
Again, most of it was trying to get us with full familiarization with our equipment, which included either digital realities or augmented realities of a target that we needed to attack or an objective that we needed to cover.
And so the digital realities that we were able to take to participate in or to take advantage of There were certain cues that were used within the digital realities, so we were able to determine that, okay, this is real, and when some things are present, it's a digital.
So you could tell the difference between the two.
So from a training perspective, they could use and did use a wide range of digitally created objectives.
Okay, so for how long were you digitally trained?
It lasted throughout the entire time of my initial training period as well as throughout the rest of my career because we used that heavily for times when we needed to train, for instance, onboard ship.
Okay, so how long would you...
Okay, but you said you spent a certain time in Mars, so can we kind of put that in...
Is it years or months on Mars?
The training period that I went through for life in a suit was four months on Mars.
And the healing and recovery period was about eight months.
That was much later in my career.
Okay, so about 12 months.
Yeah, I'd say about that.
But they were not contiguous.
Alright.
Now, you claim that you were going off planet, out interstellar, going to other civilizations, and you called it a false flag, and I'm not sure why you're calling it false flags.
So you went as part of an expeditionary force that would be going and, in essence, sort of sounds like colonizing other planets, offering our services as a military unit to fight wars for other cultures.
But there's some deceptive layer in there, it sounds like.
If you're using the word false flag, you're trying to say that we weren't really fighting for them.
How do you characterize that?
Well, those that were pulling the strings, the Draco, were also responsible for the organization and the invasion, creating the hybrids to create the circumstance where we were invited in to help.
Because that way they create the problem and the solution at the same time.
They get their foot in the door and they're able to franchise These, you know, this control mechanism out to other planets.
Okay, now you're saying, okay, so you're talking about, you didn't, like when you created these two, or you're talking about these two sort of forces, ID, RF, or whatever it is, and the Mars Germans, and you're saying that you never mentioned the word Draco.
So now Dracos were where exactly?
Dracos.
The Dracos were behind the scenes pulling the strings, because the original formation of IDAR goes back to the Mars Germans getting out of their original moon base lease, in which they leased the property from the Draco in order to build their first moon base.
In order to get out of that lease, they had to do a couple of things.
They had to provide some troops to the Draco for use where and when they needed them, which was what the IDAR fleets were.
And they also had to find another tenant.
That other tenant that they found was the Cabal, the rest of Earth's SSP programs.
They're the ones who took over the Mars Germans' original moon base.
So the Puppet masters, if you will, behind the scenes, pulling the strings, were the Draco for creating the problem on another planet so that they could also provide the solution in the form of help defending their home world through us.
Okay, now, did you see the Draco?
I have seen images sent to me by the same person that gave me the history of the Mars Germans during a deployment.
Part of the communication protocols that we had included the ability to send images and certain kinds of information from one soldier to another.
Okay, so what did the Draco look like that you were dealing with?
They were about...
Well, they were reptilian.
They had a very large physique, enough to scare just about anybody.
They had the slitted pupils.
They were about 14 feet tall.
The ones that I saw varied in color from a brown or tan earth tone.
To some of the darker, deeper reds.
Okay, were they humanoid in shape, or did they look like upright standing on their back feet?
Alligators, or can you describe?
Sure, they were more humanoid in shape.
They had a longer torso than you would expect to see on a humanoid.
There's a little different proportion, but I'd say Generally speaking, yes.
They're a lot more humanoid shaped than they would be alligator or Komodo dragon.
Okay.
Did they have wings?
The ones that I saw did not.
Okay.
And when you say the ones you saw, so you're kind of, and you were sent images.
In other words, you didn't encounter Draco in your travels yourself, but you thought they were behind the scenes.
And how did you become convinced of that?
It was through...
The duration of my career, at first I didn't have access to a lot of intel.
As I gained rank and changed jobs and went into from company command to battalion staff and then on up through division staff, through the staff positions you had more access to more intel.
And it's not like they Left pieces of paper laying around that, hey, the guy's really pulling the strings with the drake up.
But through a combination of putting different pieces together, as well as the information that was shared to me by a fellow soldier, that's how I was able to piece together the full extent.
And the other thing is that the Mars German that shared the information with me And they were told and are told a lot more about their history than, of course, we are.
Okay, but you didn't see, in other words, you never saw as kind of a, I don't know if you want to call it an enlisted man, you never saw the top echelons interacting, these Mars Germans with reptilians, or Dracos, actually.
Not directly, no.
Okay.
So they didn't accompany you or contribute.
What about reptilians?
You know that Draco and reptilians are different?
Sure.
Okay, so did you see any reptilians?
Nope.
The only other aliens that we encountered were during training, and there were some greys.
In addition to non-Earth humans, which are technically alien as well, There were the invading forces that we encountered that were all hybrids.
Hybrid what?
Hybrid biological and machine mixture.
Okay, but what is the biological?
Are you saying humanoid and machine?
Or are you saying, you know, spider being a machine?
Are you saying insectoid and machine?
What do you mean by hybrid?
Hybrid what?
The hybrid, one of the hybrids appeared to be a mixture between some canine-like race.
They appeared, for all intents and purposes, to be like a werewolf hybrid mixture with a machine.
They had mechanical joints and They had certain portions.
Okay, is that a race that was fighting these battles with you?
Were they part of the invading force that you were part of?
Or were these the ones that lived on these various planets that you went and invaded?
This particular hybrid was one of the invading enemy that came into one of the planets.
Okay, so what other kind of beings did you encounter?
The...
Beings that we encountered on the planets that we visited were humanoid for the first two, and on the third planet there were humanoids, cyclopean, single-eyed, humanoid-like beings, as well as insectoid.
Okay, and last question for you and then we'll go back over to Tony.
Are you familiar with the Anunnaki and are you familiar with the term and what Anunnaki look like?
I'm familiar with the term and there are the information I've seen Doesn't all agree on what they look like, so I've seen several variations of what they're supposed to be, but the information that I've got has been from one source or another conventionally, not through my service in IDARF. Okay, so that's very interesting.
Now, I'm going to look at the time because we did agree to keep track.
So I think we've been going about an hour.
And we do have...
I know you've got limited time, so I want to keep, you know, be aware of that.
And I've got a chat room going kind of fast and furious over here.
So we can also allow for questions pretty soon from them.
But just to go back to Tony, so in terms of your service and your experience, why did you come forward?
Well, again...
So I had worked with Dr.
Sala in the beginning and a few others.
Why did you come forward to Dr.
Sala?
Well, I was looking for therapy.
I was looking for somebody else to speak to that knew about the subject greatly.
Okay.
Dr.
Sala said that because of my experience with the Germans that it came out that the timing was right and he asked me to do some interviews.
And so I had flown and met him in 16 at the Mount Shasta conference and I taped Those first interviews with him then.
So, really, I was looking for therapy.
I was looking for somebody else to talk to, to try to get my head around everything, and he asked me to do some interviews and I obliged.
Okay, but that doesn't quite answer what I meant by that.
I understand you're looking for therapy, but that doesn't, like, automatically mean you want to be a public person.
So, what I'm kind of wondering, like, was there a decision that you made somewhere in sort of this process you were going through, where you decided maybe you watched other whistleblowers?
I think, didn't you say you saw Randy Kramer?
Did you decide that you wanted to be a whistleblower?
Were you familiar with Project Camelot?
Had you seen other super soldier or soldier types, you know, who worked on other planets, etc.?
Had you seen any of those interviews?
I mean, what kind of prompted you to be even willing to do an interview and fly to see Sala?
Well, it was on the way of moving.
But, you know, the other thing was that I didn't want to take it with me to the grave.
You know, I didn't want to have 20 years of knowledge of things that have been going on that have been dubious, you know, that have been a secret from everybody that's really going on.
I didn't want to take all that knowledge with me to the grave.
I didn't know, you know, I wanted to do those interviews and let it be a part of public record.
I mean, people should know that people, little kids, are being taken and this is what becomes of them.
Things that I've gone through, things that others have gone through.
You know, the military is doing this.
That's where all the money's gone.
And, you know, somebody needs to speak up.
So I kind of slipped through the cracks of the whole system and was able to remember.
You know, not everybody remembers, or not everybody can remember as much.
So I just wanted to put it in the historical record, and I had the opportunity, so I did.
I'm not trying to do this.
Every interview I've done, I've been asked to do.
I haven't sought out interviews.
Okay.
Well, you know, so in terms of coming forward as a public person, you decided that you wanted to sort of set the record straight in a public way to let people know what was happening to you and likely to others.
Is that correct?
Absolutely.
And there were things that happened.
You know, I've done a lot of interviews that covered a lot of subject matter.
But there are things that the Sirius Colony did that were illegal among the colonies.
And there were things that they were done.
My taking of it is that it's wrong what they did to me.
And they beat me over the head with it constantly.
It doesn't matter.
You're not going to remember it anyway.
There were times when I had surgery done with no anesthesia, no anesthetic, and I was in pain.
And the only thing they told me was that you're not going to remember it anyway.
So it doesn't matter.
So I am a witness that I didn't remember it.
I did remember what happened to me.
I wasn't supposed to.
And I did, and I've made that public record.
Okay.
Now, in terms of your family, do you think that your family, your kids are being targeted?
I'd rather not comment.
By the program?
Okay.
I'd rather not comment.
Fair enough.
So, in terms of you said Ceres was doing something illegal, what illegal thing were they doing, for example?
We routinely stole cargo from other colonies within the solar system, and there were combat actions that happened.
There's a law that says in our solar system that all the colonies are not allowed to attack each other, that there's some sort of treaty about that, and that wasn't the case.
There were times when we would steal.
I wasn't really prepared to think through every infraction, There was a lot that they did wrong.
There was bootleg things from Earth.
One of the hardest things that researchers have had with my testimony is that we used to listen to Earth music.
We used to do cargo runs to Diego Garcia's where we picked up military hardware or any kind of military cargo.
We went to Diego Garcia in the middle of the night and only a handful of personnel knew we were there and we would take cargo on and one of the officers gave a music player to A girl in communications and she was able to play music.
And nobody believes us because that's a huge no-no to take anything from Earth.
But there were guys in the main cargo bay that were getting books and movies from Earth.
What's wrong?
I don't understand what's wrong with that.
There's a law against it.
There's a law against it.
The media from Earth has, I guess, mind control signals in it.
As a result, we were only able to listen to one song at a time.
At the end of the day, on the way back to the base, we would listen to one song.
And that only went on for a short time.
They started fighting over what kind of music to play, so the captain nixed it.
But it did happen, and it's been the hardest thing for the real hardcore researchers to believe from my testimony.
Because it's so illegal.
It's an illegal thing to do out there.
Okay, well, I think that's interesting that you think that.
Now, so you dealt with Ceres and you dealt with, did you deal with the moon at all?
I was on the moon during the initial training and then on the return.
They put me back at that base.
When I went through the return process, they gave me several procedures.
Can you describe the moon to me?
Well, the base was just like it looked like a government building on the inside.
There were long corridors.
They were pretty wide that had offices.
And there were tall, white, gray beings there with military soldiers that ran most of it.
And there were reptilians there.
The shorter, short reptilians were there.
And it was like they took me to an area on the return that was like a doctor's office like you would see on Earth.
And I went from room to room getting procedures done to help me forget it all.
Okay, were you able to, were you on the surface of the moon or underneath?
It was only one time when I was in an office that had a window view of the moon.
It was a corner area and it was another bout of trauma mind conditioning.
But you could look out and the sun wasn't up.
They said that the sun did come up at certain times, but it wasn't up and it wasn't due up.
It was dark out, but I could see the surface of the moon.
I could see silhouettes of the moon.
Okay, did you see cities on the moon?
No.
Okay, and was it breathable air?
Not that I'm aware of, no.
They told me that it wasn't breathable at the time that I couldn't go out.
Okay.
So, in terms of your time in the military, like on this off-planet stuff, your skill set was as a ship repair person, on the one hand, and on the other hand, you were sort of a slave soldier that was used as bait for...
That was a different program, and I was...
Basically leased or sold from program to program.
The Mars Colony program was a support soldier.
Right.
And that was canceled.
It failed in its mission.
So they canceled it.
And we sat there for about six weeks doing nothing.
And then I was taken to a city on Mars and retrained into ship repair.
And then taken to Ceres Colony, where I was assigned to a ship and worked on for years after that.
And then after that, that ship was antiquated and broke down and was decommissioned.
And I was retrained and I became a cargo engineer on a newer ship.
And I did cargo.
Okay.
So did you ever see any other planets in the solar system?
Yeah, I saw Jupiter.
We were in orbit around Jupiter.
I saw the surface of Ceres.
We'd fly back over that.
We flew to the Earth quite a bit.
We flew out to the Kuiper Belt.
The Ceres Colony Corporation owned a body in the Kuiper Belt where they used for storage.
Space was at a premium for them to stock up things.
And so there was like a warehouse facility somewhere in the Kuiper Belt.
It was a body out there, which I understand a lot of it was off limits to us.
And there were bodies in the solar system that were off limits to us.
Okay, so did you have direct interaction with reptilians?
On a few occasions.
I had the shorter ones during my return.
I had communication with one.
I met a reptilian once.
I just stood in line.
Behind one, and it was a tanned, I believe tanned, like an orangish-tan, taller reptilian.
It had a suit on.
It had a job to do.
It was like a worker, and I remember I was under orders to not communicate with any ETs in public that I would see on Ceres.
Okay, were there women there?
Yes.
Okay, do you remember forming friendships?
Yeah, I had a girlfriend there.
Two girlfriends there during that time.
The area where I slept was kind of laid out like a prison.
It was other slaves.
Most of those guys did construction or mining on Ceres.
I was on a ship and they didn't really like me.
I didn't have a lot of friendships in my area where I slept.
At the very end, I was given a bit of money, and I was able to travel throughout the colony, and I formed friendships.
Okay, when you say you were on a series, but you were on a ship, what do you mean exactly?
Do you mean that it's a UFO? Again, what kind of shape of a ship this was?
It was more like a rounded on the back, like a beetle.
And it was a triangle in the front and it looked like it was covered.
It was black and it was like stealthy looking.
It was a cargo ship.
I saw the front of it from the top looking down on one occasion and I saw the bottom of it often, but I never saw the entire ship.
It was about a thousand feet long by about 600 feet wide.
Five main decks and there were two extra decks in between and there was a storage deck under the main cargo bay.
Okay, so were you based in the ship on Ceres?
We were based inside Ceres.
Everything in Ceres is an underground.
There are underground caverns that have cities or cities that are just built in that have been tunneled out and they built buildings and they're all connected by train.
Okay, so In terms of the Secret Space program, you said you've done 40 interviews.
That's a lot.
And that was since you came out in public.
Was the first time you came out in public in 2016?
Yes.
So, okay, 40 interviews.
And have you met other people that have corroborated, at least to your satisfaction, similar type experiences?
Oh, yes.
I've had hundreds of people contact me with vague memories.
You know, how I had before I remembered everything, before that major event of remembering, triggered either by knowing it or by the MRI, I don't know.
But kind of the state of mind that I was in before that, I've had hundreds of people.
I can look on my face.
I bet I had somebody today contact me.
I get two or three a day now.
People that all have...
There's always something...
And people tend to have common denominators.
I hate to try to lead people into believing something that they don't remember.
But there are usually common denominators.
There are leftovers from an abduction event.
Okay.
So in terms of your ET interaction, were you interacting with ETs as a young boy?
No, it was just from that event.
I was taken.
E.T. showed up my house.
I was taken.
I did the 20 years and I was put back.
And that was it.
And that E.T. was a gray?
Yes.
Okay.
And where were you living when this happened?
In southern Michigan.
We had an old farmhouse.
We had 13 acres.
We were kind of out in the country and it was in southern Michigan.
Okay.
Were you ever in the military?
No.
Okay.
Was your family in the military?
My dad was in the Navy.
Okay.
A career officer of any kind, or just a person who did a Navy stint when he was...
Right.
He just did his four years after high school, and that was his Naval career.
Okay.
What about...
Incidentally, he did ship repair.
He was a repairman.
Oh, really?
Okay.
What about, you know, like going back in your family's history?
Do you have a military history in your family, or not?
Not greatly, no.
Okay.
All right.
So, let's see.
I'm not sure where to go now.
Maybe the two of you, we could give you a chance to each sort of talk about something you would like to talk about, you know, you'd like to bring forward, you felt maybe...
In other interviews you haven't really been able to touch on or something that you have touched on that you think is important to touch on here.
It's all about what the audience will hear.
So is there anything, since we're talking to you at the moment, Tony, we'll just let you go ahead.
Just for five or ten minutes or whatever, whatever you'd like to cover if you think we haven't dealt with it.
Sure.
Well, Carrie, first thing, I'm reading the chat here and it looks like we're not online.
You're kidding.
Apologies to my audience.
Don't know what happened.
This thing was recording, looking like it was recording.
It's a mystery as to what happened.
So I'm going to stop the broadcast and we're going to have to invite you guys back.
Maybe you can come back next week or as soon as you have time.
And let's do it again if you don't mind.
It'd be my pleasure.
All right.
Thank you.
Really appreciate it.
No idea what the hell is going on here.
Well, we do talk about some things that are pretty far out there.
So I think having some technology, high strangeness is par for the course.
Thank you very much for having us on the show, for having me on now.
Okay.
You know, I think that I don't see any reason why my recording shouldn't have worked.
But I'll be in touch with you over email, let you know as soon as I find out if the recording worked.
And then you will go on to my channel.
So this discussion, if it worked, will be on my channel just shortly, as soon as I can get it up there.
Okay.
And then we'll have you back and try to do a video thing soon.
And we'll try to do that next week if you guys are available or the week after, whichever works out.
And apologies to the audience, the chat room.
And we'll have the guys back next week sometime, assuming we can get our schedules coordinated.
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