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Oct. 30, 2018 - Project Camelot

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KERRY CASSIDY . INTERVIEWED BY MATTHEW HEINES

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	Okay, I'm good.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I believe we're live now.
	I'm actually going to be interviewed by Matthew Hines, who approached me a couple weeks ago to interview me on this day.
	So we're going to talk about some of the controversy going on behind the scenes at a certain point, but this is his interview of me.
	And I'm just simulcasting this on my channel to help him out to get some viewers in the initial stages here.
	So I'm going to switch the screen over to him.
	So bear with me here.
	And Matthew, take it away.
	All right.
	Well, thank you, Carrie.
	Hello, everybody.
	And welcome back to Books in Hindsight.
	This is the podcast for authors, publishers, and anybody who loves books.
	Now, there are very few people in the world today that have launched or been responsible for more book sales than the woman we have on our screen right now.
	And that is Keri Cassidy of Project Camelot.
	Welcome to Books in Hindsight, Keri.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Alright, so before we get started, I just want to remind everybody that this podcast will be available On Carrie's Facebook channel, I believe.
	Also, we are on Books in Hindsight, on iTunes, on YouTube, and Google Play, and yada, yada, yada.
	And Carrie's website is Project Camelotportal.com.
	Is that right, Carrie?
	Well, that's one of the URLs.
	Actually, we're banned in some countries, so we're also projectcamelot.tv, which is even easier to remember, and projectcamelot.org.
	Those are the three URLs.
	They all go to the same place.
	All right.
	Well, great.
	Well, Carrie, I cannot possibly tell you what an honor it is to have somebody like you on the show.
	And if you are unfamiliar with Project Camelot, Throughout the world, if you mentioned Roswell or the secret space program or super soldiers or anything that has to do with basically the black government, this woman has information She has interviewed, I don't know, I guess you're going to talk about it, Carrie, but I would say you've probably interviewed thousands of people about these subjects.
	So there is nobody on Earth, probably outside of the CIA or one of those intelligence organizations that knows more than Carrie Cassidy does.
	And so we're here with her today to not so much talk about soldiers on Mars or the Roswell crash.
	Today we're going to talk to Carrie about Carrie Cassidy and the Camelot Project or Project Camelot.
	So, Carrie, welcome to the show.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, I probably have said that before, so let's just move on.
	I was watching the other day, and I was listening to Courtney Brown, and you guys were talking about they were remote-viewing I believe they had been remote viewing Mars or something.
	I can't remember exactly what it was, but Courtney made an amazing quote that kind of stuck in my mind.
	Or actually, yeah, he said that you were doing it back in the day.
	Or actually, you said you were doing it back in the day in another interview.
	Courtney said that you've been doing it for so long and people have been doing it and they're not doing it anymore.
	But you've managed to stick around throughout the years.
	And so that's what we're going to talk about today.
	How, Carrie, you've been able to keep the project going since I believe you guys started in 2006.
	So without, you know, continuing on too much farther, let's find out a little bit more about Carrie.
	And before we start talking about the project, can you talk about your like your upbringing?
	Who is Carrie?
	Where was she raised?
	Things like that.
	Okay, well, I was born in Palo Alto, California, and in a military hospital on a base called Moffett Field.
	And I was the only one of four kids that was born in this hospital, which is a little unusual.
	Actually, I want to say that I'm wearing, this top I'm wearing is the one I wore to the prison.
	And I actually had a tank top under it, so it was even more opaque than it is right now, but it's pure black and you can't see a damn thing.
	So I just want to say that because people are, there's a guy out there called Jeff Reed who's lying about what I wore to the prison.
	I don't know why he's doing that, but people like to lie about me for some reason.
	So, but I was born in Palo Alto.
	As I say, Moffat Field is a notorious base, and that gets into the work of Norm Bergram, who is now supposedly died, although I actually think that he was probably taken to Mars or is permanently living in an underground base.
	However, he was, I think it was 93 when I interviewed him, and he talked about working underground under Moffat Field.
	And it's interesting because I, you don't see it, but I have a sort of pronounced birthmark on my right shoulder.
	And it's, you know, very strange.
	And it has to do, and I also have an implant plant in my right arm.
	And so I know that there's something that went on with me when I was born, maybe as they say in utero or whatever.
	And I also have sort of recall of things to do with NASA and the whole Moffat Field Ames Research Palo Alto vicinity where I went on a field trip when I was a kid around the age of, I don't know, 10 or 11.
	And I walked into the place with all the other little kids and said, Oh, I know this place.
	And I don't know why I knew it, because I'd never been there in my life.
	But that was a hint, I guess, of the sort of my lab background that I might have, or probably do have, actually.
	And I have had other subsequent things happen, including Norm Bergram basically giving me a look during the interview that told me that he probably knew more about the sort of Military abduction, you know, genetic engineering that was going on and could have included me.
	So that's just like a real short snapshot, I guess.
	And, you know, what can I tell you?
	Let me just stop you there because you started off talking about you had worn that shirt that you're wearing now, which is a lovely shirt, I might add.
	That you had wanted to prison and I just want my listeners who, I don't know, there might be people who live under a rock that haven't heard of you, but Carrie's been involved in a recent controversy.
	People are attacking her and she is doing a project with a captain that was involved in the, and I have to say allegedly, in the secret space program and he is in prison now and Carrie has been going to visit him and She has just been attacked by basically some of the big people in the UFO community.
	And so that's why she's talking about that now.
	But Carrie, when you're talking about, you know, being a little girl, I mean, this is one thing that, you know, abductees and people who are not abductees, that kind of, we're looking for the differentiation, I guess, is the word I'm trying to make up.
	So you're not a normal little girl, right?
	You are You've got an implant.
	You have memories.
	Can you be specific?
	Did you have contact with anything out of this world?
	Well, when I was a kid, I was having a recurring nightmare in which there was a man standing at the end of this path.
	That didn't really exist out the door of our house at the time.
	But this is how I, for some reason, in my dream vision saw it.
	And I would walk towards this gate that had a picket fence.
	And there was no picket fence in our front yard.
	But nonetheless, in my dream, I was walking towards a picket fence.
	There was a gate.
	And on the other side of the gate was a man with a top hat and an overcoat.
	And you might say, I don't know if that's a man, maybe a man in black, whatever kind of thing.
	And I was incredibly afraid there'd be a loud kind of buzzing noise.
	And this is kind of a typical abduction dream, so to speak, or scenario, or what implanted dream, I guess you would call it.
	And And then I would just be terrified and wake up.
	So that was a recurring nightmare.
	And then at about the age of 12, I'm not sure exactly when, I actually opened the gate and walked through.
	And after that, I never had the dream again.
	So I believe, you know, I know that I have...
	I was living in New York City and this is when I was in my very early 20s and I connected all my chakras and I reached Samadhi multiple times.
	I also had visions and I was being surrounded by various aliens and I was also going to a school in an underground and I was also going out to Montauk and going inside of a hill And disappearing inside the hill.
	And these were dreams that I was having at night while I was studying acting in New York City.
	And I studied acting and directing.
	And I went to film school at UCLA. It's called...
	The fiction film program.
	And I was a writer, director, producer in Hollywood later, you know, like a year or two later in that.
	So, you know, I was trained in these areas, but at the same time, I was also having Montauk-like I was aware that as I studied Montauk, and this is long before I ever got in Camelot, I realized that I was probably one of the children that they put in cages and then used their sexual energy to fight.
	Power up the machine that they used to then go interdimensional and that I think it's Duncan Cameron was basically kind of hooked up to that and I'm not sure how the whole thing worked.
	I just know that I was having visions of that and then I read about it later and realized that that was what my dreams were telling me.
	So I did have interaction with various beings And I knew they were also taking eggs from me and so on.
	So that's typical now in the abduction world.
	I'm not unique in this way.
	So the underground school was perhaps a little unusual as a dream, but I did seem to go there every night.
	And this is when I was in my early 20s.
	Okay, Carrie, that is so much information.
	I have to talk about this Montauk thing.
	I did not know that you had been involved in that, but right now we're still trying to pin it down.
	So you're having these interactions with, you know, did you understand these are off-world people or, you know, entities that are not normal?
	You understood that?
	Yeah, I knew there were ETs.
	You know, let me say that Close Encounters of the Third Kind had already been out when I was growing up.
	And I think I saw it when I was in high school.
	And for me, that movie was like, I don't know, a revelation or something, because I never had heard anyone really talk about that sort of thing.
	And, you know, other than it just being on television or various things, and of course, all those various shows and type of things that came out later fascinated me.
	But I also, I saw what went on during that movie, and I was absolutely amazed.
	And right then and there, I said, okay, that's what I want to do with my life.
	I decided I wanted to make sci-fi movies.
	That would tell the truth about what was really going on that I knew was happening because it was happening to me.
	So that became like the seed that was planted really from that I guess the movie just kind of packaging everything else I'd done as a kid and as a kid I was what you call a tomboy you know I used to play combat and I used to try to do you know be equal to the boys and I could You know,
	run and climb fences, and I grew up in a kind of rural area in California, in Cupertino, which was covered with orchards at the time that I grew up.
	It's not anymore, and this is where Apple Computer is based.
	But it was a great place to grow up when I grew up.
	And so I would love mysteries.
	I loved Nancy Drew.
	I read tons of books.
	I was very...
	You know, inquiring, I guess you might say, about the world around me.
	And I was also very bored by conventional reality.
	So I want to ask you, so you did this, you started thinking about this at a time, because I guess that I was a little bit younger than you, but that was a time when you didn't talk about, I mean, people talked about UFOs and aliens, you know, they were out there.
	And Spielberg, that was just kind of a movie.
	And the fact that you would just go ahead and start saying, oh, no, I'm going to start investigating this stuff and making movies about it.
	But my question is, and I'm sure a lot of people want to know, are you trying to solve...
	Are you trying to just make movies to tell a story?
	Or are you trying to find out who these people are?
	Are you trying to...
	Yeah, I guess trying to find out who they are.
	Well...
	I think that answer is obvious.
	What happened is I did work in Hollywood for 20 years, believe it or not.
	Because I grew up very independent in Northern California, the philosophy was not sort of join them.
	I grew up in a family that had this philosophy that was To be independent, stand on your own two feet, self-reliance, this sort of thing.
	So I didn't join the Old Boys Network in Hollywood, even during those 20 years.
	I've always been a rebel my entire life.
	And I've always wanted to tell the truth and get the truth out.
	And even when I studied acting, I studied the Stanislavski Method, which is all about truth in acting.
	And so...
	It's been a thread throughout my entire life.
	When I kind of didn't get where I wanted to get making sci-fi movies in Hollywood, I picked up a consumer-grade camcorder and decided to make UFO documentaries.
	That's what I was working on when I interviewed Bill Ryan, who became my partner in Project Camelot in the early days.
	I actually was working on the documentary for My UFO documentary in 2005 and I interviewed Robert Salas and he's a whistleblower about the Manon missiles.
	I interviewed actually at a conference Rich Dolan, Jim Mars, Stephen Bassett and others.
	And so that documentary is available on my website.
	It's a short documentary and Bill Ryan was one of the interviewees that I interviewed in February of that year when a conference happened, I mean, in the year of 2006.
	So I started in 2005.
	Then I teamed up with Bill Ryan in 2006, and we decided to create this Project Camelot.
	Okay, well let me, because you're running through every question I have so fast, I'm not going to have anything by the time you finish the next five minutes.
	Alright, so we're going to go back to 2006 and we're going to talk about Bill Ryan.
	So you guys met and it's a meeting of the minds.
	You have the camera first or build it?
	Oh, I did.
	I had to teach him how to film.
	Bill's a scientific guy, right?
	He's got a PhD or something?
	He doesn't have a PhD, but he majored in college in science.
	Actually, he was a teacher.
	He became a teacher after that for a short while, and then he became an executive coach, and he used to take executives in England into caves underground.
	And he also grew up in Africa where he would go on safaris.
	So one of the things that we did when we started Camelot was to go on safari to get away from everything.
	And since he could lead the safari, it was just me and him and we would just pack up a A jeep in Africa and go safari.
	And so it was very cheap for us to do that because Bill knew everything about it.
	So that's where I filmed the cheetah that became our, you know, our logo in the beginning of Camelot.
	And that's where we came up with the idea of the of the logo of the cheetah because I was that was based on Sort of, I don't know, you might say challenging MGM. MGM UA had the big lion roaring on the screen that's very famous.
	And so I decided, I had filmed this cheetah making a kill in Africa.
	And so I decided that we would use the cheetah because the cheetah was I was a young cheetah so we were new and up and coming and Hollywood was old and sort of old fashioned in some ways so we were basically trying to say we were the challenge to Hollywood going forward and the cheetah we also used the one eye of the cheetah that I think now is kind of a brilliant move on the part of both of us and
	we designed the logo together and We never changed it.
	It's been symbolic of, you know, the one eye, the eye on the pyramid, you know, because we knew we were going to be challenging the Illuminati.
	And so that's why we used the cheetah.
	And then I was working on becoming a rock and roll singer at one point, and I married...
	A musician and we wrote songs together and his name is Rick Katz and he's credited on the Jaguar song on Project Camelot.
	You might have noticed his name in the credits.
	He's my ex-husband.
	We were only married for a year and we basically wrote rock songs together and I sang them and so Jaguar is one of those songs and Bill heard the song and liked it so much that he decided that we should use it for the theme song for Camelot.
	It is interesting because even though we used a cheetah for our image, the song is talking about a jaguar, but it's a reference.
	It's a poem I wrote, and so I wrote the lyrics and I sing it, and I helped program the instruments and everything with Rick.
	Who's a wonderful musician.
	And he's a singer-songwriter in his own right and lives in Nashville.
	But at any rate, back then, I was writing about this.
	I wrote those lyrics in New York City years before when I was being abducted and going into the underground base and so on and so forth.
	And I was talking, it was the metaphor for the Jaguar that goes interdimensional.
	That's the Jaguar, if people study it.
	In South America.
	And so that actually is the symbolism.
	But for some reason, I just wrote the poem intuitively based on my own experience, as if it were this jaguar that would wait outside the door.
	And outside the door meaning going through the doors are interdimensional.
	So that's the background.
	Okay, well, that's amazing.
	And then, of course, you know, that history on the project and the jaguar and the cheetah.
	If you don't know, the jaguar is from the South American continent.
	Cheetah is from Africa, where Carrie and Bill were out on safari.
	So that's what I wanted to get into next is you decided, well, we're going to go around and interview people.
	So how did that work?
	I mean, you talked about you interviewed Richard Dolan, and you basically went to a UFO conference, right?
	So those were your first interviews?
	Yeah, that was one of my very first interviews.
	Okay.
	And you didn't go track down CIA guys yet?
	So when did those guys start showing up in your, I guess, your emails or whatever?
	Well, what happened was when I... I had met Bill Ryan at this conference and I interviewed him.
	And whereas everyone else that interviewed him at the conference, he was speaking about the SERPO project, okay?
	And this was the UFO con, I guess it was called, back in those days.
	I can't remember.
	And the Bill Brown, I think is his name, he did the conferences back then.
	And so at any rate, a lot of people with all kinds of equipment interviewed Bill, and I just came up to him with a consumer-grade camcorder and said I'd like to talk to him about what he was representing at the time, which was the Serpo project.
	So I interviewed him.
	We hit it off.
	We went to dinner afterwards, and we said we would just keep in touch as friends.
	So we did do that, and then eventually I... My mother had passed away and I had a small inheritance.
	I decided to go to...
	This video is freezing all the time, which is unfortunate here at my end.
	So I'm going to have to take myself off the screen here.
	So what happened was I went to Egypt with William Henry and Jordan Maxwell, who were leading a trip because I'd always wanted to go to Egypt.
	And that was my second trip to Egypt because I wanted to go back because I'd actually gone there first with my mother who had passed away.
	So then I went to Egypt with them.
	At the time, I interviewed Jordan Maxwell, who was...
	Not willing to talk about ETs back in those days, but I asked him about ETs and he made me promise to never publish that interview at the time because he didn't want to ruin his reputation.
	I mean, it sounds funny nowadays, but this is actually what happened.
	And so I guess I was already kind of doing Camelot at that time, but then I went to Tintagel in England where Bill Ryan was...
	Basically there to meet me and to show me around to the power places such as Stonehenge.
	We went to Tintagel.
	We went to stone circles all over England.
	And he knew all of those very well having grown up in England.
	And so that's where we went to Tintagel, one of the former homes of King Arthur.
	And we basically decided then and there to put our skill sets together We both wanted to get the truth out about this subject.
	And Bill, at the time of doing, you know, representing the SERPO project, had been approached by a young man who said he had a story to tell.
	And we and I are first interviewing him.
	And that is a guy named Mr.
	X. And that's exactly what happened.
	I went to high school.
	Let's go with Mr.
	X. I'm kidding.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so we got to know him and his wife quite well.
	He was a lovely man.
	And then he died.
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	So Bill volunteered because he had already been part of what's called Ron's Org.
	And Ron's Org is a rebellious...
	What do you call it?
	Science...
	What do they call this?
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	This...
	Oh, God.
	It's a, you know...
	Very famous, weird, sci...
	What's it called?
	Okay, it'll come to me.
	Anyway...
	Are you talking about the...
	What is it?
	I can't think of it either, but the scientists of England, that organization?
	I have total brain luck here.
	Like, Newton was part of it.
	Are you talking about that organization?
	As soon as this is over, I'll remember it.
	But anyway, that's fine.
	So he's accepted in this organization, and you're talking about communication, but what's in the communication?
	Is this information from Serpo, or is this just information about the project that's going around?
	The information that was...
	Royal Society.
	Is that what you're looking for?
	No, no, no.
	Scientology, for God's sake.
	Oh, I was thinking of that.
	Yeah, so people think Bill's a Scientologist, which he is, and Ron Zorg has a lot of the Scientology-type stuff in it, but he was part of a rebel organization called Ron Zorg, and for that, as part of his job, he actually put together a gigantic...
	website with this other guy of information that Scientologists didn't want out to the general public and I don't know how much I'm supposed to say about that But he he he knew how to deal with volumes of information Yeah, because the Scientologists here I don't want to have to deal with those people.
	Yeah.
	But the fact that he knew how to deal with volumes of information was crucial because when it came to the Serpo.org releases, he was very good.
	He put that all into a website and did a good job.
	So when I met him, I knew that he could be the webmaster for our project, obviously.
	In addition, he was also a really good writer.
	And so that's, you know, and I was a filmmaker.
	So I taught him filmmaking.
	And basically, we teamed up and started Project Hamlet and decided to interview whistleblowers from above top secret.
	That was actually our plan.
	And we knew about Stephen Greer a few years earlier, had done some of that and apparently filmed it, but he wrote it.
	He put it out in a book and he wouldn't release his films because he wanted it to be Hollywood quality.
	And one of the things about me is that I studied filmmaking and I was all about an avant-garde, what I call a guerrilla style filmmaking.
	And more about actually a director at being an auteur, which means that you basically kind of go out, do what you want.
	You know, you're not dependent on a studio.
	You're not dependent on...
	Great, you know, lighting and sound and all this stuff, but all I wanted to do was kind of get the truth out, but to do it in sort of, you might say, because MTV was starting back in those days, an MTV guerrilla style in which we just had this small camera and we basically traveled the world.
	We didn't even have lights, okay?
	So we were at the mercy of Just going into people's houses or outdoors.
	I interviewed Gary McKinnon, for example.
	My interview is actually the best interview ever done with McKinnon, I will say unequivocally.
	And I got him to reveal the information about the fleet to fleet transfers.
	And basically breaking into the computers and the fact that they didn't even have a password.
	And what he says, and that interview is still available on Project Camelot, and what he says about what he did then, Is the best testimony he's ever given.
	Because I got to him before anyone, pretty much anyone else did.
	And it was just me and him.
	Bill was not there.
	Bill had to work or something that day in England.
	And so I actually had to take an English train for the first time into this sort of bizarre area.
	And I met him behind a pub.
	And I interviewed Gary McKinnon there.
	So that was like a historical, one of the many historical sort of experiences and things that we did as part of Project Hamlet in the early days.
	Okay, so the McKinnon, was that, was he, the stuff that he found, was that Project Serpo?
	I'm just kind of asking this for my own benefit.
	No.
	Was that stuff from Project Serpo?
	No.
	Got to understand that Project CERBRO has a tremendous amount of lies involved in it.
	Like I said, that was an intelligence operation, and so you have to understand how an intelligence operation puts something together.
	They couple truth, and they pack it with a lot of lies all around it.
	So you have to be very careful with the Serpo information.
	A lot of lies.
	And for anybody who doesn't know what Project Serpo is, the scene in Close Encounters, when the alien ship comes down, that's kind of where Project Serpo...
	Kind of that was taken from that.
	Where Richard Dreyfuss gets suited up and joins the group of people going as part of an alien human exchange program.
	And those really did happen in the 60s and maybe before that.
	They might be going on today as well.
	And so Serpo was kind of based on releasing that.
	You know, there's been lots of sort of intelligence operations kind of aimed at Trying to tell the public the truth without really telling the exact truth.
	You know, and so this is what's going on with the Secret Space program right now.
	And this is what Cam Blot's been involved in since day one.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I totally agree with that.
	I mean, Dr.
	Greer keeps talking about disclosure.
	You've had disclosure.
	They're not putting you in jail and they're not, you know, calling you a nutcase and, you know, Putting everybody against you.
	So I think we've had all the disclosure we're going to have.
	So I just lost you.
	Okay, I'm here.
	It's just that I have to change.
	It's getting dark in this room, so I have to turn the light on.
	So just bear with me for a second.
	But you can still talk to me.
	Okay, so what years are we talking?
	I mean, you guys, according to your Project Camelot portal you guys started, Around 2006, but I think you're talking about the 90s, right?
	I'm not sure what the question is.
	Okay, so you and Bill met in England when?
	What was the year there?
	In 2006.
	I mean, I interviewed him for the first time in like February of 2006, and then I went to Egypt, and then after my Egypt trip on the way home, I turned off And went to England and met Bill.
	And we went traveling around England to these power places.
	And one of those, the first place we went was Tintagel, which is one of the former homes of King Arthur.
	And so I wanted to say that actually there's an important story that's associated with that.
	And let me see if I can turn this on.
	Okay, and because Tintagel is said to be one of the former homes of King Arthur, when I went there I had a bunch of total sort of past life recall.
	And I tapped into the time of Arthur and as a weird coincidence, I had the intuition that Bill might have been Arthur.
	Now, this is controversial and Bill doesn't like to hear about it.
	He's not interested in this story that much.
	But the reality is that some other psychics before I ever met him had actually said that they thought he might have been Arthur.
	And it turns out that even this sort of psycho Illuminati guy told Bill that he was the last of the Arthurian bloodline.
	Anyway, so there's been this sort of overlay in Bill's life about that.
	And when I was in Tintagel, I started to have past life recall about him as Arthur.
	I know that sounds kind of weird, but that's what was happening.
	And so...
	I also tapped into and had in the past a long, long time ago.
	The Once and Future King was one of my favorite books as a kid.
	I used to read it over and over again.
	I think I related to Guinevere and she is the Princess Warrior and I do relate to her and I say that what people who think they were people from the past, some people were those people, okay?
	There's no doubt.
	But Other people may be imprinted or basing their life like a model of their life on that sort of, you know, on what that person did.
	And so the life of Guinevere is to some degree that is my pattern, my life pattern here in this incarnation.
	And that is of a princess.
	Well, I consider that I was.
	However, you know, I don't know that for a fact.
	And because there's so much overlay in this nonsense out there, but I'm just trying to explain that it doesn't matter whether I was or I wasn't.
	It doesn't matter whether Bill was or he wasn't.
	What is clear, to me anyway, is that we brought forward The mission of Camelot.
	Project Camelot is really Camelot.
	And we go back to Camelot as souls.
	And Camelot was wrapped up with the Holy Grail and the bloodlines and sort of preserving that through the centuries.
	And as far as I'm concerned, the Holy Grail is the bloodlines.
	It's not It's not a physical thing in the sense that people think it is.
	So I realize this is all very controversial.
	No, no, no, stop.
	Carrie, can I stop you?
	That is awesome.
	That is the book right there.
	That's amazing because, you know, it's not crazy what you're talking about.
	I mean, reincarnation is what it is.
	But that is such an amazing story.
	And thank you.
	Because I probably would have not remembered to do that.
	You've connected Project Camelot.
	Also, we were inspired by the roundtable.
	I'm buying into the story.
	I love it.
	Let me explain more.
	The reason when we created Project Camelot in Tintagel, we knew there was something very momentous about us coming together there, okay?
	And we started out romantically.
	We lasted a year and broke up.
	We became friends after that.
	So our relationship didn't last.
	But what we were aware of was there were a lot of ETs around us in Tim Tagile.
	Both of us were aware we were being watched.
	Okay, I know this sounds crazy.
	And I haven't really talked about this much at all.
	But we were very aware that there was something very...
	Like, momentous happening.
	And it was the return of Camelot.
	And I believe that our key witnesses are, a lot of them believe they were Knights of the Round Table.
	They really have told us this.
	And so what happens is, we are the return of the Camelot Round Table.
	And that was our mission, was to go worldwide in this life.
	Because we failed in the mission in Camelot back in the day.
	And there really was a Lancelot.
	And there was a Lancelot in this life as well.
	And, you know, it wasn't the same scenario.
	Bill wasn't ages older than me, you know, and all that like he was back in the day.
	And by the way, King Arthur was not a very nice guy.
	Not my memory of him, anyway.
	And I can say that, you know, in other words, what happened is the Roundtable exists now, but it's virtual, and all of the whistleblowers are Knights of the Roundtable.
	And so in this life, there's a sort of a switch-up, because Bill...
	I kind of failed in the mission in this life, but it was a good thing because I carried it on from there, and this is the era of the return of the female, and I symbolized that.
	And so what happens is, you know, Bill got caught up in being a judge Of our whistleblowers.
	So we are packed with our whistleblowers from the beginning was that we would, of course, never reveal their identity.
	We would protect them, et cetera, et cetera.
	What happened is Bill decided that if a whistleblower lied to us and he found out that he could then release information about them to the public, which was a complete violation of everything we stood for.
	And so this is what really broke us up.
	And there were other extenuating circumstances.
	He had a girlfriend who wanted him to be the lead interviewer and used to tell him behind the scenes, get rid of her, you're the best, all this kind of thing.
	I mean, there was a lot of nonsense that went on in those days when we broke up.
	But, you know, I have a lot of respect for Bill.
	He's a very talented, intelligent guy.
	You know, he just made a big mistake.
	And, you know, I hope that someday he'll sort of pick up the take the sword from the stone again and move forward.
	In a more positive way, in this way, he's continued on Project Avalon.
	He's doing a great job over there, from what I understand.
	I still don't agree with him on certain things, so we do not work together now.
	But that's kind of, in a nutshell, the background behind Project Hemlock.
	Okay, so can we just give the...
	Okay, so Bill is over at Project...
	So what is his website?
	I just want to let people know.
	It's avalon.com?
	Yeah, projectavalon.net.
	Project Avalon.net.
	N-E-T. Okay, so projectavalon.net.
	And it's a forum.
	It's a forum where they discuss things.
	Okay, so my question would be, Carrie, is that...
	And you kind of touched on it there, but...
	I kind of got the feeling that Bill was kind of more skeptical about some of the people that you were talking to, and then you said that one of your witnesses really went against him.
	So, how did the extent that he went against him, the witness?
	Well, no.
	I mean, you know, in the early days, we were together for three years, and Camelot has been in operation for 13 years, so I've been working for the last 10 years without him.
	However, in the first three years, we agreed in the first, let's say, year and a half to two years on most everyone we interviewed.
	And as a two-people team, that's kind of crucial, right?
	So then what happened was we started to veer in different directions, and he became more of what you call a prepper.
	He was sort of interested in going into the wilds, which he ended up doing.
	He lives in Ecuador in the mountains, and Preparing for some, you know, kind of diabolical future.
	And I was really not about that because I have a philosophy of life that is a lot more like the...
	You know, I see that this being a lot like the time of the Nazis.
	And I believe in kind of living...
	To the fullest and living well is the best revenge, that type of thing.
	So not about preparing for disaster.
	Even though I interview tons of people that have disaster scenarios, it's kind of a weird...
	Coincidence or, you know, contradiction.
	But the fact of the matter is, is that I only rely on my own intuition.
	I do not see California falling into the sea.
	Actually, I've been there in the future.
	So all I can say is our philosophies start to diverge.
	Project Avalon is something we created together as being sort of a sister site to Project Camelot, but it was going to be all about prepping initially and as a social platform for people to meet each other.
	Well, it did become a social kind of platform in a way, but what it never actualized that fully was the prepper side.
	So instead it just became a forum where people would discuss In great depth.
	All the various topics in the UFO sector, so to speak.
	And it's still thriving today.
	And Bill and I philosophically disagreed on how to run a forum.
	So I basically, when we split up, since I was the filmmaker anyway, I took over Project Camelot.
	And since he was violating some of our agreements with whistleblowers, and he was given Project Avalon to completely take care of himself.
	So that's what happened during that time.
	But we did disagree on various witnesses going forward and on various whistleblowers.
	And we still do.
	Yeah, that's totally understandable.
	And that's obviously an editorial decision that you have to make.
	And I'm going to ask you about that A little bit later, if we can get into, you know, I have so many questions to ask you, Kerry, but all right, so can you just tell me Project Camelot up until you guys split, success or failure?
	Oh, huge success.
	I mean, it still is.
	We interviewed the best people.
	We hit the scene at a very interesting juncture.
	Now, basically, everyone's doing what we're doing.
	We started the revolution, in essence.
	Back in the day, we were very unusual because we took a camcorder and traveled the world with it.
	We literally went to the Even back in that day, I was what you call a YouTube director, one of the primary, you know, first directors.
	And so I was able to have, to put onto my, onto my My YouTube channel, which is still there now, which actually got attacked a year into operation, but nonetheless.
	And I could do interviews for as long as I wanted.
	And so the technology was very difficult to deal with when you did two-hour interviews, but that's what we did.
	And so we're unusual in that way.
	Yeah, I want you to talk a little bit because I'm a history guy and I like timelines and I like people to understand the environment that you're in.
	So when you started out, you had a, you know, think of the camcorders, they had the little cassettes in them.
	That's right.
	And then you had YouTube, right?
	Yeah.
	But were it not for the camcorder and YouTube, there would be no Project Camelot, correct?
	Well, in theory, although, you know, we could have, you know, I guess in the day they would, people that didn't have YouTube would still make documentaries.
	You know, you would try to, you know, film on your own and use whatever technology you had.
	Yeah, and who's going to see them?
	Okay, so...
	Can you just, over time, because you went from a YouTube and a video camera to look at where you're at and where we're all at now.
	I mean, you've got your Facebook thing going.
	I'm interviewing you for Skype.
	So yeah, things have really opened up a lot.
	So can you talk about I'm just going to incorporate this into two, it's actually two questions, but tell us about your day.
	I mean, how many episodes do you upload a week?
	What's your schedule like?
	Well, actually, now that you've gone back to the past, I do want to talk about how difficult it was in the early days.
	I was the only editor, and so not only...
	I taught Bill how to shoot, and then I became an interviewer on camera, and I just want to say that actually in the early, early days, I didn't go on camera, but...
	Um, Jerry Pippen, who was a radio talk show host, uh, loved us and loved immediately out the gate and supported us and was a huge fan of mine.
	And he used, so he's the one who said, girl, you gotta get in front of the camera.
	People want to see you.
	So he, he, you know, he's passed on now.
	He's a lovely man.
	Um, And so it's actually because of him that I said, oh, right.
	Okay.
	So then I started to, you know, interview on camera and then one of us held the camera and that was Bill.
	Eventually, you know, Bill always was able to ask questions in the background, but he more and more wanted to kind of be front and center as an interviewer.
	So that became a problem because obviously that my job was my job.
	So But I do want to say that I had to also edit everything and I used to have to spend hours and hours and hours editing this camcorder footage that was on this these tapes that you would upload and then you would it was everything was very slow and Final Cut was very old about back in those days and You know, it became easier and easier as time went on to do all this.
	And eventually Bill taught himself, with my help, editing, which became a huge help.
	And he was able to also help in that way.
	But it used to be that I would, you know, I worked my ass off all the time.
	And so I was very tired.
	I, you know, even in interviews.
	And I was also being helped by ETs during the interviews.
	And I also was...
	In essence, channeling various ETs.
	I became aware that that was happening, and we would have ETs in the room, and I can tell when they're here a lot of times, and they would also interfere with the interviews in these live settings.
	So what I do as an interviewer is not normal.
	Really?
	And I get, I'm also quite psychic, so I get information as I'm doing the interview.
	I never prepare my questions in advance.
	In some cases, I actually dream the interview before it happens that day.
	That happened with Dan Burish, for example.
	At the end of the Dan Beers interviews, I put out that I wanted to meet Kaella.
	So Kaella came and talked to me briefly and said hello and so on.
	And, you know, so this kind of stuff goes on.
	I mean, this is a very unusual job that I do.
	But one of the things that happens is, you know, they try to mess with us.
	So you can see in the film, the older films, that Where they've screwed with the camera.
	We interviewed John Lear.
	We had huge problems.
	We had to have backup recorders and then we had to sync the sound from a recorder to the screen.
	So people don't know the nuts and bolts of the kind of nightmare that went on.
	We also used to drive around in a car and upload our interviews like At the dead of night in England, and we actually would do this thing called piggyback on other people's internet connection in order to upload an interview like when we were traveling because we didn't have the money.
	Well, there was no such thing as...
	You know, the kinds of technology you have now.
	So you had to, you know, we would even go like drive by an Apple store to try to connect.
	And we'd even sneak into an Apple store to try to upload our interviews.
	And we had somehow all of this, we didn't talk about what we were doing, like what I'm talking about now, the nuts and bolts so much back then, but It was happening, and I think people, the fever got out there.
	People started to flock to Project Camelot, and we became like a huge sort of cause celeb, if you want to call it that.
	And so people would wait on the edge of their seats for every new interview that we did and released.
	And that's no lie.
	And every interview they would steal, and it would go viral.
	You know, they would go everywhere.
	And so that was, it was an exciting time.
	It was very draining, very, tons of work, you know, extremely exhausting, but very challenging and exciting and fun.
	So...
	I know that you work all the time.
	I mean, you can't do this without it.
	And I remember those days back in like 2005 and the computer timing out and the programs were so slow and the uploads took like hours or sometimes days and that's like with Seattle internet.
	So that was tough.
	But let's talk about you.
	And that was, you know, I first saw Project Camelot.
	Hey, you know, who's that good looking woman on there?
	So let's talk about that for a little bit.
	You are obviously in a very, I don't want to say male dominated, because I know there are women that are doing it.
	And I want to go back to your quote, because you said this, I think it was Courtney Brown's interview or But you said you were doing it back in the day when nobody else was doing it.
	And then Courtney Brown had come back later and said, yeah, and you guys survived it.
	So you've been doing it for this long.
	And I just want to know, is it rewarding for you?
	I mean, where's the reward at?
	What is the reward?
	Yeah, it's totally rewarding.
	You know, I have people send me emails every day saying I changed their life.
	You know, I help them to realize who they are.
	I mean, there's no greater gift than you could give a person than to give them a glimpse into who they truly are.
	And this is what our mission is really all about, is revealing the truth about humanity, who we really are.
	And so it's incredibly rewarding.
	Actually, I want to go off to Hollywood and make sci-fi movies, but I keep getting dragged back into this because there's almost no escape.
	I have people contacting me daily.
	I have people that want to be interviewed daily.
	I have whistleblowers that do come forward, and I have to vet information like crazy.
	It's a Huge, time-consuming job.
	I do the best I can.
	I have this sort of personal creed that I basically say, you know, I have to have fun in life.
	So even though I work a lot, I play a lot.
	I'm very, like, I have to go out.
	I go out a lot.
	I eat dinner out a lot.
	Just because I have to get away from it all, you know.
	And that'll just be for a couple hours and then I'll go back home and I'll be working again.
	And you know it's really a fascinating kind of treadmill if you want to say that.
	Now of course what I'm doing is now being duplicated by so many people out there and there is a lot of Like you could call it jealousy, professional jealousy from my colleagues at this time.
	Because Project Camelot, like I think our stats are like 60 million viewers worldwide.
	And I think right now it's like 213, it might be 214,000 subscribers.
	So, you know, people are...
	Kind of blown away and intimidated and they're also, I guess, down and not jealous.
	They also question me and my method because they don't understand why I interview, who I interview.
	Yeah.
	Can we talk about the ugly head of chauvinism?
	I mean, do you feel that because you're a woman, do you feel that people are trying to maybe sometimes control you and then at other times saying, well, She's a woman, so her opinion is not as important as a man's.
	I would just look at your subscribers, and I think you have 214,000, and I would probably guess that 80-90% are males.
	You know, it's not quite that high if you look on our stats.
	I think it might be something more like 60-40.
	Okay.
	But over time, more and more women have become obviously very interested in this sector.
	But there was a lot of men interested in us and our stories because we did have a lot of science and a lot of men gravitate towards science.
	And they are still interested in you.
	And you are the voice of Like for most people, I mean, and you got to remember, we're talking generational here.
	You probably had a whole generation of kids grow up watching you, you know, think of that.
	And so you've got I know you've interviewed these kids coming out of the military.
	Well, they probably know you from when they were little kids, so you've had this kind of influence on people.
	But my point is that, do you feel, I mean, you go to a conference, do you feel pressure?
	Do you feel like, you know, people are trying to, well, her story is not as good as mine, and what do you feel from being in that field?
	Well, there's a lot of competition out there.
	There's also people that are seeking the limelight.
	But, you know, I do want to say something to people out there that think people make money from this sector.
	I don't know anyone that makes good money from this sector.
	If I wanted to make real money, I'd be working as a producer in Hollywood.
	Right now.
	And a lot of times, I barely survive.
	Lately, I'm okay.
	But it's always questionable, will I pay my rent the next month?
	And many people cannot live like I've lived, okay?
	I've lived like this my entire life.
	I used to quit jobs just because I didn't like them.
	So I, you know, and that...
	That's just the way I am.
	I'm not a person who can easily be told what to do.
	If I disagree with somebody, you know, I kind of stick to my guns, that kind of thing.
	And I also want to say, I do want to address that I have a method to my madness and who I interview and why I interview them.
	And I have done other videos on this, but nobody's, a lot of people still don't get it.
	They think if I interview somebody, I agree with them.
	I don't.
	Okay, what I am doing is an investigation and as an investigator, I look for the best people at any given time and they also approach me and I decide who can best get that piece of the truth out there.
	They may have a lot of disinfo in their information.
	They may believe their information, but they may be wrong.
	And even, you know, government People that worked for the government for years, for example, they believe in this notion of scarcity.
	I mean, I have a very deep black witness From, you know, from way above top secret, who to this day will try to convince me that we are overpopulated.
	In my view, that's a lie.
	That's a programming.
	That's a gray overlay.
	The grays, the negative grays, have a lot of bullshit that they put out in the minds of humans.
	And it perforates through the Illuminati, etc.
	And one of those ideas is the idea of scarcity.
	We are creator beings.
	We have unlimited ability to create whatever we want In this world, in this hologram, whatever you want to call it, and in the worlds to come.
	And so I just think, you know, I travel the world.
	I can tell you that there is land, miles and miles and miles and zillions of miles all over the world that's completely empty of humans.
	And there's plenty of room for all of us.
	And we could all be living much better If the Illuminati, of course, would take their hands off the reins of power, so to speak.
	If the diabolical dark side would, you know, which we're trying to do.
	We're trying to wrest back.
	I mean, I consider this a war of worlds.
	But we're trying to rest back the balance.
	We're not trying to make this an all sweetness and light universe, okay?
	That's never going to happen, first of all.
	And second of all, it's not what it's about.
	It's about bringing an earth that is right now tilted too much to the dark back into the middle so that it's more of an even fight between the light and the dark, basically.
	So that's what it's all about.
	And I have to say that, you know, scarcity is one of the lies that you've been told since day one.
	Well, my whistleblowers are always talking about, oh, we're, you know, too many people on the planet and so-and-so.
	They have to kill a bunch of them.
	Well, they do want to kill a bunch of you.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Just so they can control you better.
	They don't want to kill all of you because they feed off you.
	Hello.
	So they're not going to kill their source of food.
	Yeah, it's all about debt and keeping people poor so they'll serve in the army and kill people for themselves so they have to pay the mortgage.
	Okay, well, Carol, this is Books in Hindsight, so let's talk about some of the authors that you've interviewed, and the first one I want to talk about, he wrote The Ringmakers of Saturn, and you corrected my spelling, and I'm sure you're going to correct my pronunciation, Norman Bergeron.
	Bergeron?
	Yes.
	Now, Norman Bergeron wrote The Ringmakers of Saturn, and in that book, he explained that the ring of Saturn is actually being produced by a massive, like, ten times the size of the Earth superstructure that is basically, it looks like it's leaking ammonia out.
	And I just, I don't know where things have changed, and you can correct wherever I'm wrong, but when I saw the Cassini, Space probe path, it looked like it didn't do a circular orbit.
	It looked like it did a polar orbit.
	And I just wonder if that orbit was to keep the satellite from looking at something.
	What do you think?
	Oh, I'm sure.
	Well, let me give you also a little piece of memorabilia about my past.
	I actually worked for the guy that Cassini was named after.
	His name is John Cassini.
	And I worked for him at JPL in Pasadena.
	And because I was a contractor, what you call a communications manager.
	And they hired me because of my Hollywood background.
	This is after I worked 20 years in Hollywood.
	I then went and I went to graduate school for Anderson Graduate School of Management.
	I got in there using my credit at JPL. At any rate, I was a low-level manager in the area of communications.
	I'm the one who created the The Rover poster.
	I told them that they needed a logo for JPL back in those days.
	And so I commissioned and had a guy design the logo, which became the Rover poster.
	And so I was the one who emphasized that they should use the rovers as their little logo.
	From then on, I think it's actually happened.
	But at any rate, that's just one of the things.
	So Cassini, John Cassini, I did work for him.
	He's an elderly scientist at JPL back in the day.
	And I didn't work for him for a long time, just a short time, kind of right before I became an actual manager.
	And so it's just kind of a funny little...
	Anecdote.
	But at any rate, I was also struck when I was working at JPL that they were trying to reinvent the wheel, that a lot of scientists would still be working on things that the Secret Space Program Already had operational.
	And that, to me, was a tragedy.
	I hate the fact that humans, one part of humans, are working on something that's already been invented, you know, and is in use, and maybe is bigger, better, faster.
	You know, I hate that.
	It seems like an incredible tragedy, but...
	They do feed off operations like NASA to find talent, and that talent they recruit.
	But they recruit them kind of very, very slow, and they make sure that they're not going to violate security oaths.
	And so they do this massive sort of evaluation of them and their background, et cetera, et cetera.
	So I think I forgot your question, but to get back to Norm Bergman...
	I want to know how the...
	Basically, I want to know if Norman Bergeron's book, and Bergeron was...
	He was at JPL? No, like I said, he worked underground for his entire life in Moffat Field in an underground base.
	He was a totally legitimate scientist and engineer and amazing engineer at that.
	His book basically says that there is a massive craft producing a ring around Saturn.
	And I just want to ask you, in all the things that you've seen, because the Cassini orbit looked a little suspicious, has anything come out to debunk You know Bergeron's ideas?
	Well...
	Recently, actually, I had someone, one of my whistleblowers said that he, that Norm Bergerum was wrong about the fact that ships were creating the rings of Saturn.
	Now, I don't know if that means he really was wrong or whether this particular whistleblower is wrong himself, but I can tell you that Norm Bergerum also in our interview talked about huge ships coming from Saturn on their way to Earth.
	This interview was done, I think right now, it probably was done more like maybe six or seven years ago.
	I'm not sure.
	And so at that time, he was saying he was sure that these basically ships were coming from Saturn.
	Now, I do think...
	Since my subsequent information I've gotten, that we're going back and forth to Saturn all the time now.
	But back in the day when he wrote his book, Ringmakers of Saturn, and when I interviewed him, at that time he was at least floating the idea that individual beings were coming from Saturn to Earth.
	He thought there was actually sort of a quasi-invasionary force coming at that time.
	Now whether or not it was invasionary and whether or not what happened when they got here because we don't know necessarily or whether he was actually Telling me a piece of the truth that he knew, you know, rather than saying, oh, we're going back and forth to Saturn all the time and beings are coming here.
	He said, you know, they were on their way here.
	That's kind of, you know, how a whistleblower might sort of pack the truth with a little bit of disinfo.
	But I don't know that, you know, I can tell you that much.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, when they talk about, An invasion, whatever.
	We don't think along their terms.
	I don't know that they would always want to militarily invade things because what does that get to?
	It's better just to infiltrate and get your people inside and change things before you destroy everything.
	Let's talk about William Tompkins.
	William Tompkins, his book was chosen by aliens.
	Is that what it was?
	It was selected by...
	I'm going to flash a thing when I do my editing, so I'll have a picture of this.
	Basically, William Tompkins was a draftsman.
	He was supposedly recruited at the age of 14 by the Navy during World War II to design ships, and then he ended up being like an errand boy to deliver designs and things to NASA and JPL, right?
	What were your impressions of Mr.
	Tompkins?
	Oh, brilliant man.
	You know, maybe he died.
	Maybe he actually, you know, was taken to Mars or another base.
	Or maybe the Pleiadians took him back because he was very in close contact with Pleiadians.
	Telling the truth in his book, Selected by Extraterrestrials, you know, What can I tell you?
	He basically said that the ETs, specifically the reptilians, were in competition with the Pleiadians in behind the scenes of our secret space program and that both were feeding us with information and technology, but that the reptilians were actually sabotaging our secret space program from behind the scenes.
	So very crucial information.
	Very, very important.
	I don't think people realize what an incredible witness this guy was.
	He got sort of waylaid by a guy on TV, I think.
	I don't know how valuable his interviews are with those guys.
	Maybe they're good, maybe they're not.
	But my three-hour interview with him is highly recommended and is quite jam-packed with everything he kind of had to bring to the table.
	Right.
	And I'm going to leave links to as many of these interviews that we talk about in the description on my video on YouTube.
	And just if you came late, this is Carrie Camelot from...
	I'm Carrie Cassidy.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	I think we're like almost on two hours.
	But so this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	And we are talking about the project, about its history, about some of the people that they've talked to, its goals.
	And we're going to get to where the project is going to go, but I want to talk to you about a couple other people.
	Bob Dean passed, and would you like to share any thoughts on Bob and his life?
	Well, Bob is an amazing whistleblower, and he has passed recently.
	We did a show, Bill Ryan and myself, Recently, it's on my website, it's on my YouTube channel where we talked about Bob Dean a lot, really to honor him.
	Just an incredible man.
	He worked for Shape Headquarters in Europe and he was shown a report called The Assessment that disclosed the reality of the E.T.'s Interacting with humans, the military trying to shoot down the various UFOs, not being successful at it at the time.
	I mean, people don't realize that what happened with our secret space program is as it grew up, they got smarter about the stupid deals they made with greys, for example, and reptilians.
	Who were going to, in exchange for technology, abduct and kill humans, basically, and use them as food, as sex objects, and, you know, for procreation, etc.
	Genetic engineering, re-engineering the genome, etc.
	So they basically made a dirty deal, got this technology, and then eventually have turned tables on the aliens themselves.
	Because we have...
	Now we're going kind of mono-mono with a lot of alien races.
	Now we still have help.
	According to Mark Richards, for example, we have the raptors behind us.
	They're working with the military.
	According to Simon Parks, we've got the mantid beings working with the military.
	So we're not just out there on our own.
	We have help.
	And there are other races.
	The Pleiadians are still in the mix, and the Anunnaki are there, of course, but they're more on the ruler's side.
	This is an ongoing story, but Bob Dean was very important, and he says I made him into a rock star.
	In a sense, I did, because he was already known before I interviewed him.
	But my interviews, because we had a very kind of special rapport, And I have a unique way of asking my questions.
	I tend to challenge my witnesses rather than kiss their ass, which most interviewers kiss people's asses.
	And I just find that really boring.
	And so, you know, I don't do that.
	So I tend to get the great testimony because I understand, you know, I studied being a director.
	And when you study actors and performance, it's all about getting these two people to really kind of, as they say, rub the sticks together and create fire.
	What you want is like a dynamic.
	And so that's why my interviews are good.
	And I do it with a purpose in mind.
	I do play, you could call it devil's advocate, whatever you want to call it, at times.
	I give them shit, in essence, to try to get them riled up, to try to break through their programming, to try to get them to tell the truth.
	Instead of whatever, because people that are interviewed all the time tend to have like this tape in their head.
	And they tend to play the tape and talk.
	And you can see it.
	And I hate that.
	I think it's really, really boring.
	So that's why I interrupt people.
	Hello?
	People think, oh, she's such a rude bitch.
	I survived one of your interviews and I left with a big headache.
	So I can vouch for what you're saying.
	I think it's very important.
	I'm working on behalf of humanity.
	That's my project.
	My project is to awaken humanity.
	So if I give somebody some grief during an interview in order to get them to tell the truth, I figure it's fair enough.
	Especially these individuals, especially whistleblowers, have worked for 40 years in some cases, sometimes even longer, for the dark side.
	These are not angels.
	These are not perfect specimens of humanity.
	These are not gods or saints or anything else.
	You know, they're flawed individuals who are trying to do the right thing by coming forward in most cases and telling the truth as they know it.
	But even they Have lots of programming that they've had to break through, and it can even break down right in front of your eyes.
	And I'm not going to name exact names, but I can tell you that if you watch my interviews carefully, you will actually see people who planned to lie to me, but ended up telling me the truth.
	And in some cases, after the interview, they realized what happened, and they Get angry, like Pete Peterson.
	And they try to tell me that the interview's shit and take it down and it's no good.
	Well, Carrie, you know why that is?
	Because people come into the interview, they want to talk about certain things, and then you, with your golden lariat of truth or whatever, Wonder Woman wheels.
	You just lasso us and you take us wherever you want to go.
	So people probably come out a little bit frustrated, but it's so fun.
	All right, so Carrie, let's move on a little bit.
	The UFO community, we're going to start talking about this controversy that you're going through now, but we're going to kind of build up to it.
	Let's talk about Corey Goode.
	What happened with him, and what's the effect on the community?
	Well, I mean, it's kind of a long story.
	I would say...
	Reader's Digest.
	What?
	Reader's Digest version.
	Yeah, okay.
	My interaction with Corey Goode came as a result of the first people that wanted to interview him.
	See, first of all, he was on Avalon Forum for years.
	And he was using his own last name.
	And most Avalon forum for people that don't know is kind of like an insider's clique.
	So these people know each other and they end up even offline, I guess.
	I don't know exactly what they do, but somehow they learn each other's real names and this and that.
	So people on Avalon knew who Corey Goode was and they'd use his name, etc.
	Plus he was out there on other forums putting himself out there and using his own name.
	And I have a researcher who documented this for me.
	So, Corey likes to say that I outed him.
	Nothing could be further than from the truth, okay?
	But I do have a big audience, so more people might have noticed him because he tried to get an interview with me.
	Now, he thinks I wanted to interview him.
	That's actually wrong.
	So what happened was he was doing an interview with Bill and Bill's...
	I don't know if she's his ex-wife or what happened, but I think she's his ex-wife, Christine.
	So she kind of...
	I think she actually flew over and interviewed him in person at one point.
	But at any rate, they were doing an interview with him and...
	The story that I got from Corey was he tried to contact me on Skype.
	And he said that Bill Ryan didn't want to talk about the Nazi stuff.
	And so would I be interested in doing an interview?
	And I said, sure, you know.
	But then he said, first of all, I used the name Richard Boylan.
	And what he doesn't know is that I am not impressed with Richard Boylan.
	In fact, I am very suspicious of him.
	I met him a long time ago at the Little Alien when we first spoke there in the very early days of Camelot.
	He works for the intelligence agencies.
	He also does a lot of psych stuff with kids.
	And I was very skeptical of his work.
	So that was not a good person to use as your reference, number one, Corey Goode.
	Number two, the next thing he said was, oh, and David Wilcock wants to interview me.
	Now, that was also the kiss of death because back in those days, and even today, if you tell me David Wilcock wants to interview you, he's a friend, and I don't want to step on his, you know, rain on his parade or compete with him directly or any of that bullshit.
	So I would basically say, okay, well, to hell with that.
	Go do an interview with, you know, with David Wilcock.
	So he got two strikes against him right from the get-go with me.
	But, you know, I'm a tolerant person.
	I try to keep an open mind as much as possible.
	So then I kept a dialogue going with him.
	So I basically was saying, well, if you do an interview, what do you want to do?
	You know, all this kind of thing.
	He took that to mean that I wanted to interview him.
	That's not what I do.
	When I talk to somebody like, you can contact me tomorrow as a whistleblower.
	I'm going to say, okay, what do you want to do?
	Do you want to go public?
	Do you want to do an interview public?
	Do you want to come on my show?
	Do you want to do it off the record?
	Do you want to just talk to me?
	What do you want?
	So I will investigate what it is you are coming to me about.
	And so I was in that process with Corey Goode.
	And we basically only talked a bit.
	This was a dialogue on Skype, because then I actually was on my way to leave town and to go interview Mark Richards.
	So I didn't have a lot of time.
	So I kind of left it hanging in the air.
	We didn't have any firm anything.
	And there was, as I say, big obstacles.
	One, Bill Ryan was interviewing him.
	Which is another reason why I don't want to interview somebody.
	And number two, Corey, you know, David Wilcock wanted to interview him.
	And so I saw roadblocks.
	And plus, I was very suspicious of these, the way he came forward, you know, using Richard Boylan and telling.
	I don't like it when people try to brag about Who's going to interview them like I could give a shit?
	I'm not in competition with other interviewers.
	In fact, I'm the opposite.
	I like to run the other way.
	If people are interviewing somebody, I don't really want to interview.
	And this is just a word to the wise.
	I am interested, and Camelot has always been on the perspective of let's bring out the ones people hate, the ones people don't believe.
	That's the ones I want to bring forward.
	And so we have actually kind of brought careers that were drawing to a close in the internet, like Dan Burish, like even David Wilcock.
	We kind of rescued him from He was in a terrible state when we first met him.
	He was fed up with the whole sector, didn't want to talk to anyone.
	We brought him back into the fold.
	This has to do with the Camelot roundtable effect.
	It's a weird magic.
	It's not me.
	This is not an ego.
	It's just what we're part of.
	We're part of this incredible consciousness field that once you connect with Camelot, it's happened over and over again.
	People get like a new lease on life.
	They start to see themselves differently.
	I mean, I can't tell you how many whistleblowers The first time they talk to me, they're all withdrawn and uptight and having issues.
	And the next time I interview them, it's like night and day.
	They're a whole different person.
	What they realize is it connects them with the field that we're all a part of, and they stop feeling isolated.
	And they stop questioning themselves at every juncture.
	And it frees them up.
	So it's a beautiful process and, you know, a lovely thing.
	But what was happening with Corey in the early days was he kind of sent me all the wrong signals.
	Then I left and went to interview Mark Richards.
	In the meanwhile, before I left town, I made a copy of the latest disclosures, Corey, because he sent me tons of links and all this said, look at my material on Avalon.
	So I looked and I got the impression, one, that he was known on Avalon, two, that he was out there in the sector, and he signed his emails with this huge signature, which no whistleblowers ever do, with his name and his, you know, Microsoft credentials and all this shit and practically put his address on there, his phone numbers, you name it.
	So there was no attempt to hide himself.
	The one thing he did tell me is that, oh, he was really upset or disappointed because basically he was going to be known by who he is, but actually he didn't want to be.
	He told me that Bill Ryan already was, you know, in essence outing him.
	And so he had no control over it.
	So I figured, okay, the guy's a known entity.
	I can use his name.
	So I sent some of his, I printed out some of his stuff, mailed it to Mark.
	He read it.
	I met with him.
	And Mark said, like, one thing about the Corey Gooden material.
	He said, yes, some of it seems on track.
	And this was about artificial intelligence.
	It was centered around that.
	So when I came back and I did my transcript for the interview with Mark Richards, and then I put it on, you know, because I do this total recall where I then go online talking about it.
	I used his name once in the video and I used his name once on the transcript.
	And lo and behold, like a day or two after the interview went public, I get this nasty email from, I think it was first, Corey, and saying, you know, you've got to take my name off.
	You're outing me.
	I can't make a living.
	Everyone knows who I am.
	It's all your fault.
	And I'm like, Seriously?
	You know, because I knew for a fact that he was not only out on Avalon for years, but he was also out under his own name on other forums and other places.
	So I knew it was a lie.
	And so I said, no, you know, I'm not doing it.
	And so then he, I guess, enlisted Christine.
	Who had become like his fan.
	And he had something to do with the breakup between Bill and Christine, as I recall.
	But that's, you know, gossip.
	And I don't know the background on that.
	But I can tell you that she wrote me this.
	She and this Avalon group, they're like, kind of like rabid dogs sometimes when they get a bone in their mouth.
	Their mind.
	And they all wrote me this testimonial saying, oh, you're going to ruin Corey Goode's life because you used his name once on your interview with Mark or whatever.
	And so I basically said no, you know, and I told him why.
	It was bullshit.
	And so then Corey Goode went to YouTube.
	He wrote to them using his Microsoft credentials and this and that saying, you know, that I was going to ruin his ability to make money in the world or whatever.
	And he sent a copy to me.
	And he was threatening to get my YouTube channel taken down.
	And so what I did was I actually went on to YouTube.
	I re-edited the Mark Richards interview that had, you know, thousands of hits at that point.
	So you lose all those hits when you take something down.
	And I put it back up, taking just his name out.
	It was just, that was it.
	And it was actually him just saying, you know, actually, you know, some of it's true.
	You know, so it was a compliment, but nonetheless.
	And then I went on my site and I took off the name from my site.
	And that's the end of that saga.
	But I can tell you that it gave me a very bad impression of Corey Goode.
	Now, I have done two, I think it's two interviews with a guy named Shane the Ruiner.
	Go on Project Camelot on my YouTube channel and watch them.
	And you will see us talking as carefully as possible about Corey Goode.
	But nonetheless, there were a lot of issues that came up, a lot of back-channel things that I know about him, a lot of lies that were told, a lot of things that went on with David Wilcock and him.
	I think he's probably a decent enough guy.
	I do think he lies on occasion.
	And I have to say that his information is good in some ways.
	Look, there are bird beings.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Whether there are the exact ones he is in love with, I don't know.
	But I can tell you that it's As far as I'm concerned, and I think the attraction to David was because, and I've said this before, is because David is obsessed with the raw material, what's called the raw material, R-A material, which is freely available on the web.
	It's channeled information.
	David lived in that woman's house with the channelers for a little while.
	If I recall.
	And he is very taken with it, has talked about it nonstop so people will know what I'm talking about.
	I read it and I'm not that impressed with it.
	I think some is true and some is not.
	What bothered me about the raw material was actually what they would not tell people about aliens.
	They really tell you very little on purpose.
	And I find that, you know, anyone who's trying to hide the truth, I'm not impressed with.
	But wait, let me finish.
	So David became obsessed with the raw material and in the raw material, of course, Toth.
	The ibis bird is, you know, sort of major.
	And in Egypt it is major.
	So David was obviously attracted to the idea of the bird beings when Corey first came up with that.
	So there's more to the story.
	And, you know, I'm not a person who wants to badmouth people.
	So, you know, look, if Corey Goode watches this, you know, I have nothing against him personally.
	I think he's made some progress, you know, in the early days.
	His programming was super thick.
	I think he's trying to break through that as best he can.
	You know, it's not an easy thing.
	Sort of trajectory.
	Every whistleblower goes through this.
	It's, you know, they get messed with incredibly.
	Yeah, but Carrie, I'd like to just say, you know, because we've said things about Corey.
	I don't personally know the person, but Corey, if you want to come on this podcast and tell your story, you're very welcome to do that.
	I think that would be perfectly fair, but Bill came out and basically said that what he was saying was He said, I put no stock in Corey's story.
	Yeah, but you've got to understand.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You've got to understand, Bill Ryan's the first one who was willing to interview him.
	And he was on Bill Ryan's forum, and they all listened to him with bated breath to hear every release he was putting out back in the day.
	So they all believed him back in those days.
	So, you know, it's a little two-faced to suddenly come forward and say, you don't believe anything.
	It's like, at some point, the guy is telling some truth.
	There's no doubt about it.
	He did some good stuff back in the day, and he's still probably talking about some accurate stuff.
	Now, when he decided he wanted to own the words, the secret space program, and got a lawyer to file some kind of copyright, that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
	And I came out strongly against that.
	First of all, because Project Camelot was on the street and out there way before Corey Goode was ever on the scene.
	All my whistleblowers were out there before he was.
	We were talking about the secret space program, using the secret space program since day one in Camelot.
	So it's bullshit to think that Corey Goode invented information about the secret space program, number one, and number two, I don't know.
	The ego has to be gigantic.
	But let me tell you that it's wrong.
	It is fucking wrong.
	And I can tell you that all of the researchers in this sector And going back way before a lot of the sort of known entities that are out now to Bill Cooper and to Bill Schneider and these people have been killed over this information.
	For him to come forward at this late juncture and think he owns this concept is nonsense.
	And, you know, I think it's a real disservice to humanity that he didn't actually honor the people that came before him in the sector and their information.
	And it's also been thought that he possibly plagiarized some of the information himself.
	I don't want to really say any more about it, but really, seriously, if people come forward now, yeah, I get it.
	A lot of people are on the internet thinking some of these people that are out there that have became popular later than Project Camelot, and this is true when Project Camelot came to the board.
	I mean, I can tell you that there were people, I'm not going to name names, well-known people, That actually went to conference people who were holding a conference and said, if those people, those Project Camelot people are going to speak, I'm not going to speak.
	And people that, I mean, are very well known, who are supposed to be like angels in the eyes of the public, were diabolically trying to destroy us back in the day.
	That's a fact.
	So get wise.
	This has a history.
	It's important to follow the history.
	You know, and to go deeper.
	Well, Carrie, I just want to say that, you know, we're going to talk a little bit more about this controversy that's going on with you and Mark Richards in a little bit.
	Okay, but this is going on a real long time, so you're going to have to sort of cut it a little bit shorter.
	You know, let's cut to the chase, maybe.
	Well, let's just go...
	I'd like you to talk a little bit about that, but before we go, I want you to talk about how can people that are listening, how can they support your project?
	Well, it's pretty obvious because at the end of every interview, I put a donate button and how you can donate.
	You can send money through PayPal.
	You can go onto my website under the donate page and find various ways to donate.
	You can send me checks.
	Some people send me cash in the mail.
	I mean, that's how crazy they are.
	I mean...
	I don't trust the system that way, but it does arrive a lot of times.
	So there's lots of ways to help us.
	One of the other ways is to watch my Vimeo conferences, because I have lots of conferences with amazing speakers.
	And it's all available on Vimeo.
	It doesn't cost very much.
	It's like $3 or something like that to watch a video.
	But it is a small way that you can give back to Camelot and help us in our journey.
	Because even now, I would love to travel the world interviewing more whistleblowers and stuff, but I can't.
	And a lot of people...
	You know, I travel as much as I can, but I can tell you that there are people that I meet at conferences that when they see me in person, they're willing to talk to me, but they wouldn't do it over the internet, you know, because of the way things are nowadays.
	So, you know, look, this project is for the people.
	That's first and foremost.
	So if you, the people, help me I will help you.
	I will bring the information to you.
	I've proven that I'm able to do that for the last 13 years.
	What can I say?
	It's a labor of love.
	But it also does require, you know, money to keep us alive.
	And, you know, I can't really pay my webmaster very much.
	My latest webmaster, as I said, this young guy, he disappeared after five years of working for us with a great deal of dedication.
	Disappeared.
	And then Tommy Hansen, who used to work for me, is now working for me again.
	But I can't afford to pay Tommy a lot.
	Tommy needs money.
	You know, I mean, if you don't give me money, I can't give them money.
	You know, this is kind of the dynamic.
	Now, I have to say thank you to all of the donators over the years because I wouldn't even be here today doing this if it wasn't for the people that donate.
	Yes, I make money on advertising on my YouTube channel.
	That's my only other source of revenue.
	So when they gave me the strikes, because I interviewed James Fetzer and Ole Domogard about false flags, they cut back.
	That happened back in March.
	So I went from March to August having to broadcast on another channel.
	And my income went down to very little.
	And so, you know, those months I was really struggling.
	Now I have my main YouTube channel, which I'm broadcasting on right this minute.
	Thank God.
	And I've got this huge audience that's part of that channel only.
	So it's very crucial that we stay alive and continue to broadcast.
	All right, well, let's rally the troops.
	I challenge, I'm a veteran.
	I challenge all you veterans.
	All you guys that enjoy this content, go to projectcanalotportal.com and donate.
	Donate five bucks.
	I challenge you to do that.
	Carrie has more information than probably anybody does.
	She's talked to more people than anybody has in this project.
	It's very important to keep this going.
	Carrie, that's what we want to know.
	Before we go, what's the future?
	Is the project going to be around for a while?
	Yeah, I mean, it's an ongoing, you know, actually 24-7 job that I have, but I am still, I'm actually doing baby steps into making, turning some of the information into major motion pictures.
	So actually I can use this platform right now to say, if you have a screenplay and you think it's a great sci-fi screenplay and you would like to get it made into a movie, you can send me, you must include what's called a release.
	So a traditional, you know, production company release has to be included if you send me a script.
	It has to come...
	Like as a copyrighted document, you know, whatever you send me has to be like a PDF where you can't, it can't be changed kind of thing.
	So you can email it to carrie at projectcamelot.tv because I am sort of starting that whole push and I've got some people.
	Tentatively saying they might want to help finance me.
	But this is very sketchy right now.
	We don't know.
	So, yes, that's the future.
	And I will continue doing the whistleblower stuff, of course.
	You said you would let me talk very briefly about this attack on me right now in my work.
	Kevin Moore, Rich Dolan, and this guy who's working with Kevin Moore, whose name is Jeff Reed, who just threatened me yesterday on my Facebook, and I published that.
	It's on my Facebook if you want to see it.
	Today, he's calling himself a CIA agent whose task is to take me down.
	That's what they want to do.
	Now, I don't even know if he's really a CIA agent.
	He might just be out of his mind.
	But he's working with Kevin Moore on this documentary of trying to implicate Mark Richards in a murder he did not commit.
	Nearly 40 years ago.
	So the whole thing is completely bizarre.
	And it's a very long saga.
	And I want to recommend anyone listening to me now about this, go on to my Project Camelot.tv, ProjectCamlotPortal.com, ProjectCamlot.org, go to the front page, click on The Attack on Mark Richards article, Who Benefits, is the title.
	And that will give you all the links in the background and information related to this story.
	I'm not going to go into all of it now.
	Suffice to say, just on the cutting edge, that this guy is...
	Unfortunately, this guy, Jeff Reed, has taken in people like this Kevin Moore, who is also, instead of just focusing on the murder, has turned his...
	I don't know whatever into attacking me wholesale and stealing my footage at the same time to do it.
	So he's trying to say it's it's free copyright because you can you know take a little excerpt from somebody's look you're not allowed okay I don't give a shit what the laws are in YouTube.
	I don't want you using my footage.
	For any reason.
	Stop trying to ride on my coattails.
	Stop trying to get famous through me.
	And, you know, drop it.
	And, you know, if you want to investigate that murder, do that to your heart's content.
	But leave me the fuck alone.
	And that guy, Jeff Reed, same thing to you.
	And you can kiss my ass and do not threaten me, okay?
	Because that's illegal.
	And you have already put yourself way over the edge.
	And the fact that you say you work for the CIA, look, if you don't, you're lying.
	And you're lying about what I wore to the prison.
	I didn't wear pumps.
	Whoever even uses high heels, they're called high heels, but I didn't wear those.
	To the prison.
	Get your facts right for once.
	And you guys, you have the timeline all wrong on Richards.
	Your facts are wrong, okay?
	They're published information and you don't even get it right.
	I mean, where are your brains at?
	And look, I have an investigator.
	He's called Paul Collin.
	Unwanted publicity guy.
	Right now he's writing reports.
	He's a former NSA, CIA knock.
	That means he got a burn notice and that whole saga is on his guest blog on my site.
	But right now he's investigating this story.
	He's investigating you, Kevin Moore.
	He's investigating Julian Salt.
	He's investigating this guy, Jeff Reed.
	And I have other people behind the scenes that are also doing some.
	And I have some pretty interesting friends.
	So all I can tell you is that you can continue to lie to the public, but eventually it's all going to be found out.
	And it's very, very sad.
	Like one of the details on the guy who was murdered, not that it makes it right, is that he was a pedophile.
	Okay?
	So you really need to get the truth right, okay?
	Otherwise, don't play this game.
	Don't even get involved because you can't handle it.
	Anyway, I'm done.
	Saying what I wanted to say about that.
	I am wearing the shirt that I wore to the prison as I started this conference.
	You cannot see through it.
	Hello.
	And they targeted me because they were actually told to because I was interviewing Mark Richards and they wanted to cut my time shorter, which is what they did.
	I had to leave that little building, go in a bus to another building, put on a t-shirt over this black opaque top That's not see-through or sexy in any way.
	So I put an old baggy t-shirt over it and they give you this temporary clothing to borrow and go back to the prison.
	So it cut like a half hour out of my initial interview with them, which they already had cut short because they wouldn't give us a good...
	You know, time that day.
	So, you know, get your facts right or don't even see them.
	And by the way, this stuff about me wanting to sleep with Mark Richard, all this bullshit, it's nonsense, okay?
	I have a boyfriend that I love.
	I'm perfectly happy with him.
	And it's none of your business, but, you know, I'm saying that here because your facts are wrong, okay?
	And Rich Dolan, hello!
	You know, he used to be a friend, but you are so misled.
	It's scary.
	So that's what I have to say.
	Well, Carrie, you want to just say very quickly what do you think the motivations are?
	Because I have my own ideas.
	I think it's just all about money.
	No, I think, well, I think, see, Kevin is a radio talk show host, I think, or whatever, in Britain, and is not very well known, doesn't get a lot of hits, and so he...
	He interviewed me.
	That's how it started.
	And he interviewed Joanne.
	And someone or himself got this great idea that they would go find out more about the murder of it.
	Marcus is not in jail for having done the murder.
	He's in jail for masterminding it.
	Which is a weird concept in and of itself.
	How do you prove that?
	But nonetheless, so I think he saw fame.
	I think he thinks he's going to ride on my co-tripped tails and get more fame by doing this.
	I don't think he gives a shit about the truth.
	And I think he's proven it because he gets his facts wrong all the time.
	Okay, so what can I tell you?
	You know, I think that it's also, I've been told by some back-channel individuals that, and of course Jeff Reed just published it on Facebook, that it's all about a CIA attack to take me down because I tell the truth.
	Now, Jeff may be deluded and not really be working for the CIA, but the fact that he thinks this That he basically is part of an effort and he's the partner of Kevin Moore to take me down shows you that the truth has nothing to do with it.
	It's, you know, whether it's professional jealousy.
	Yeah, I don't know anything about that person, Reed.
	All I know is one, he threatened me and two, he's now saying, That he's been commissioned by the CIA to try to destroy my work and me.
	So what is this about?
	You know, it's crazy.
	There's a lot of darkness out there.
	Look, if you take down one of the people that is most willing to talk to whistleblowers, most well known for having done that, I have a very good reputation out there.
	And if you take me down, what are you going to be left with?
	Think about it.
	Because the best information out there is coming through Camelot and always has.
	And I'm not saying there's not other good information.
	There definitely is.
	And kudos to all those people that are spending their time trying to get the truth out.
	But they are trying to take me down right now.
	It's not going to happen.
	But, you know, In the process, they're also trying to hurt a man and his wife.
	He has been in prison for over 30 years.
	He's in his 60s.
	Leave the guy alone.
	He's also about to be pardoned, very likely, if you listen to Simon Parks and the information he has.
	And look, Simon has no, you know, horse in this race with Mark Richards.
	He's simply telling you the truth of the intel that he received.
	Get a grip, you people.
	And understand that, you know, we are out there trying to help.
	We are out there trying to tell the truth.
	And we have no hidden bullshit motives other than that.
	We want a free humanity.
	And that's what it's all about, okay?
	And if you want to dig your sort of the hole deeper, then go to the dark side.
	Believe these people.
	But I got to tell you, The truth will out and I received a letter from Captain Mark Richards just recently in which he told me that both he and I are and Joanne are targets right now and that this that Kevin Moore is a very small piece in a bigger sort of puzzle that that is an orchestrated attack so They want to take truth tellers down.
	They want to take the alternative down.
	They want you to think that when two or more people get together to conspire, that it's always a lone gunman.
	This is a lie.
	The whole government is built on conspiracy.
	There's nothing but conspiracies out there.
	Use the word.
	Enjoy it.
	It's true.
	It's everywhere.
	Two or more people are getting together, even right now as I speak, to conspire to change the world in one way or the other, and even in a positive way.
	So that's the fact.
	Carrie, are you afraid, like physically?
	What are your feelings about this?
	Um, I, you know, it's kind of, I don't, my philosophy in Camelot since I started, and I guess in life, is that I don't just think we live, you know, on I believe we're eternal souls.
	I firmly walk the walk.
	I conduct my life that way.
	So yeah, I don't want somebody to kill me, but if I have to do that for the mission because it's part of it or something, then I'll endure that too.
	But the fact is that it doesn't absorb me day to day.
	I had to be told that this attack was more, according to people behind the scenes, They're saying it's more about attacking me than it is even Mark Richards.
	I didn't believe that.
	In fact, about a week or two ago, I didn't even, you know, I mean, this didn't even factor in my world.
	So it's only sort of escalated recently.
	I'm sure it's going to pass by the wayside and just be more nonsense.
	Camelot has been attacked throughout the years.
	This is nothing new.
	It's just sort of a different kind of an approach, and it's very targeted on me.
	And, of course, one of my witnesses, Captain Mark Richards.
	Yeah, and if I can add this, you know, Carrie's project has, you've never been attacked by the government.
	You've only been, you only have these people, like, Yes, I have.
	I've been attacked by the government.
	I've been attacked by the government, by the secret government.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, what do you think is going on behind the scenes in YouTube?
	Why do you think I got two strikes?
	You think YouTube is operating, you know, out on its own?
	No, it's part of the government.
	It's part of the cover-up.
	Yeah, that's a whole other podcast right there.
	Sure.
	Well, Carrie, I just want to say that if you are the kind of person that would threaten a woman, especially somebody like Carrie, that has put her whole life into disseminating what is the most important information mankind has ever had, you've really got And Kerry, I wouldn't worry about these people because you've got 200,000 people on subscribing on YouTube.
	Millions of people love you and we'll circle the wagons and we'll make sure nothing will ever happen to you.
	You've got to keep this project going and hopefully it will go, you know, maybe even someday you'll have a designated error or something and the project will continue into the future.
	Carrie, it has been so great talking to you, and I appreciate you being on my little podcast, and I like to say hi to all of your listeners, and it's just been great.
	It's been so great talking to you, and I really hope to do it again sometime.
	All right.
	Well, thank you, Matthew.
	It's a lot of fun talking to you, and I appreciate your questions.
	Good questions.
	I do want to say that I interviewed Matthew Hines quite a while ago.
	It's on my YouTube channel, so you're welcome to learn more about him by putting his name in the search and getting his interview.
	All right, Carrie.
	Well, I really appreciate this.
	So you have a nice afternoon, and we'll talk to you later.
	Okay.
	Take care.

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