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Oct. 15, 2018 - Project Camelot

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IN HONOR OF BOB DEAN: HIS LIFE AND HIS PASSING

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	Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I am here today to honor Bob Dean who has just passed Actually, he passed on the 11th, but we only found out about it today, so I just want to say that this show is dedicated to Bob Dean,
	and he was an amazing, great man, and we all loved him very much, and I'm sure that those watching will be people that love him as well, and he did know he was quite well-known and He did receive birthday greetings in the hundreds of thousands.
	So I understand he was 89.
	He has been hanging on for quite a while, and it's been quite a long sojourn here on Earth this time in terms of his being quite ill for a while.
	So we want to send our condolences and love to his wife, Marcia Schaefer.
	She was invited to appear on the show, but due to all of the arrangements and obvious, you know, death sort of things that go on here on Earth, she is quite inundated.
	So she obviously sends her love to everyone.
	And I have with me Bill Ryan.
	Unfortunately, he's not going to be on video, but he is on audio.
	So we wanted to bring him on because Bill and I met Bob Dean together.
	It was a memorable, actually, day in Project Camelot because we've interviewed him countless times, really.
	And I've seen him off the record as well at his home prior to his death.
	When he gave me a number of kisses and hugs to let me know On a subliminal level that he was saying goodbye.
	I didn't try to see him after that and that was actually might have been a couple years ago.
	So he has been in touch however over the phone with some people.
	David Adair is one person who became a close friend of his, and I know David was aware of Bob and everything that was going on with him, probably quite possibly nearer the end, although Bob had lost his sight and I believe was having trouble.
	I wasn't able to reach him when I did try, not so long ago, to reach him via the phone.
	So his his phone wasn't working and he wasn't available.
	So this is in honor of Bob Dean.
	And now I'm going to actually Bill Ryan.
	Are you there?
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thank you very much indeed for inviting me to join you with this.
	It's a privilege.
	Thank you so much for being there.
	This is very last minute.
	I had no idea what was going to happen.
	I have to say, a few days ago, Bob Bean must have been contacting me because I got a very direct message.
	I didn't know at the time it was directly from him.
	I just knew I was getting a message.
	And it was telling me that there was something to the effect there was no real point in hanging about any longer here on earth.
	And I sent a prayer that he could be released again.
	As smoothly and gracefully as you would like to be.
	And I am very, very happy to hear that somehow between when I sent that message and now, which is only a few days, this seems to be his passing.
	And I even felt him around me today.
	Yeah.
	And he's still alive.
	As you can appreciate, no one really truly dies.
	We are all eternal souls, assuming you are human.
	And some ETs as well.
	Let's see.
	Bill, you're here.
	People know that we haven't been in contact for quite some time, or maybe they know.
	And so it's really lovely to have you here.
	And on such short notice, I know it was not easy probably to join us right now.
	And we are inviting...
	Just so everyone knows, I have my computer, my other computer here.
	I've asked people to contact me on Skype as well as on email if they want to join the show live.
	Let me know who you are and I'll be glad to bring you on Skype live with us.
	Those that know me will know my Skype name.
	Rather than be inundated with thousands of new Skype invitations, I hope that only the people that knew Bob Dean well would contact me because that would be appropriate.
	And if you did, we'll be happy to bring you on the show today to talk about your memories of Bob.
	And he's probably going to be watching, so watch what you say.
	No, just kidding.
	And so, you know, I don't know if I'm thoroughly Irish, but I certainly have some Irish in me with the name Carrie.
	My last name Cassidy is a stage name.
	That's not my real last name.
	My real last name is actually...
	Well, on my father's side is actually English, but my mother's last name is Eyre and that is said to be Irish and also said to be Welsh and also said to be Scottish.
	So you take your pick.
	But at any rate, when someone dies, we normally have a wake and we celebrate their passing in a certain way.
	And I am a believer in that.
	We did that for my father when he died.
	And because I believe the soul is eternal, and of course we continue, that is the most appropriate way to honor someone when they pass.
	So I just want to say that Bob Dean loved Jack Daniels.
	So I suggest everyone have a shot of Jack Daniels on him and on me.
	And actually I don't have any to offer you right now, but just want to say if you want to do a toast to Bob Dean, that was his favorite drink.
	So At least to my knowledge.
	And he says that on a couple of my interviews.
	So if you want proof, you can get it there.
	So, Bill, do you want to talk about your thoughts and, you know, everything that's gone on since you found out that Bob Dean has passed?
	Well, thank you.
	Yes, I would very much like to.
	And in fact, perhaps the best way to start is just with a little joke, the kind of joke that Bob himself might appreciate, because this shouldn't be Something heavy and mournful.
	This should be a celebration.
	And whatever trials Bob has been through personally in the last few years, which sound pretty tough to me, he will now be released from that and he'll be a lot heavier, a lot lighter.
	And I'm quite sure that he would have been doing the rounds saying hello to any of his old friends who are aware enough to realize that he's sitting right there In the room, or standing right there in the room.
	But the joke there, of course, is that it's really quite dangerous asking anyone live on air to contact you if they want to pay some tribute to Bob, because you would be inundated by thousands of people without any exaggeration at all.
	It's always a sort of euphemism of a eulogy Something that we kind of like to say but isn't literally usually true when we say somebody was universally loved.
	But I think in Bob's case this might have been an exception because I have never met or read anyone who had a critical word to say about him.
	He was a wonderful, wonderful man with a heart as big as a small planet.
	And anyone who spent any time with him personally, even for a few minutes, would have known that.
	He was the most remarkable.
	And in some ways it's a little tricky because anytime somebody who we personally greatly love passes, we all want to say really, really nice things about them.
	Of course we do.
	And so we've got a kind of problem Of potential exaggeration, except it's not exaggeration.
	Bob was the most remarkable man.
	The title of our first interview with him, which was in May 2007, we called it An Officer and a Gentleman.
	And that's one of those lovely English things, of course.
	But in every archetypal way, he was a stand-up military man.
	Even decades after he last wore a uniform, you could see it in him.
	It was in his blood.
	He wanted to serve.
	He wanted to be part of a team that was dedicated to do good things, that was dedicated to do courageous things.
	And when he left the military, he carried on doing that on his own.
	And as regards being a gentleman, I can't actually imagine anyone who was more of an archetypal gentleman than him.
	I could talk for a very long time, and I don't want to do that because you've got a ton of stuff to say too.
	So let me hand the talking stick back to you because I'm sure you would want to build on what I've just been saying here.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	I just want to tell you, you're probably not seeing the screen, but at the moment I put up the Bob Dean in Officer and a Gentleman Part 1 picture of Bob Dean, which is quite a wonderful one of him.
	And so...
	That will be something that people will remember as our first interview ever with Bob Dean, I believe.
	And, God, this was so many years ago.
	I think it was 2007, if I'm correct.
	It was.
	It was May 2007.
	And in some ways, it feels like about 100 years ago, and in other ways, it feels like yesterday.
	And you probably know exactly what I mean.
	Absolutely.
	No doubt about it.
	And what I'm going to do is I have several photos set over here.
	To put on the screen and I've also put them already on Facebook, I think it is.
	So if you're curious, and I've also put the links to his...
	Actually, what I did is I went on to the Project Hamlet YouTube and I quickly made a Bob Dean playlist.
	So there are 16 videos in which he appears.
	There.
	And so if you're interested in catching up on all the Bob Dean interviews, and you've even missed a few, that is highly recommended.
	I will say, I think I'm at liberty to say...
	And I also got a message here from Marsha Shafer saying the same thing she said to you, Bill, by the way.
	Because I'm checking my email in case anyone wants to come on the show since I put the word out.
	And Jim Nichols also is someone who knew Bob Dean very closely.
	Uh, very well, and I invited him on the show, but you know, there's an interesting thing that's happening with my email lately, not so lately, but for years, um, in which my messages never arrive with people.
	So, um, I have proof of this.
	And, uh, so I never know if somebody's going to get my message or not.
	So this is on social media though.
	And I also put it on Project Avalon, and I put it on some news groups, etc.
	So I think that this will all be making the rounds as we speak.
	So what I wanted to say was that I have pictures of him, and we've got more that will come out.
	But certainly watching our interviews with him, I wanted to let people know that I am in touch with Arthur Neumann aka Henry Deacon and he has expressed his profound condolences for Bob and I'm going to put on the screen a very memorable moment.
	This is actually, I think, the most historic moment in human history.
	At least up to now.
	I wonder what you're going to say.
	This is the Barcelona conference.
	Exactly.
	And I've got a special slide here that I've already put on Facebook, but I did excerpt it, what he said and what he was saying to Bob Dean Wright when this photo was taken.
	So you won't be able to see it, I guess, Bill, but later when you watch this back, if you wish.
	You will see it.
	And what Arthur Neumann says, and I typed it on the screen, is I can only say, yes, there is life on Mars.
	There are bases on Mars.
	I've been there.
	And that is something he is saying on stage in Barcelona to both the audience and directly to Bob Dean.
	And you can see them looking at each other.
	And I can tell you, one of the things I can tell you is that Bob Dean is basically going, oh, shit.
	Because Bob, as much as he was a whistleblower, was also an old boy, part of the old boy's network.
	And to some degree, he had to sort of play both sides.
	He was in touch with a lot of the old guard, some of whom are in high places of power even now with regards to disclosure.
	And I know that for a fact.
	At the moment, I'm not going to name too many names.
	And that reminds me, I did want to get in touch with John Lear, and maybe we can bring him on the show.
	So there may be a short time here where I'll just step away really quickly and call John Lear.
	I hope that he has been notified, but maybe I can also try to email him.
	Sometimes he's online and people will notify him.
	But I'd love to have him come on and commemorate this occasion, really a tribute.
	We're trying to find Clifford Stone as well.
	But Bill, why don't you have your reaction to this statement by Henry Deacon, that very memorable moment back at the Barcelona conference?
	Well, yes.
	There's no need for me to see it on screen because I've got it firmly etched in my eyeballs ever since that moment.
	It was really quite interesting.
	As always, just to continue making this a tribute to Bob, he took it in his stride.
	He may have been a little taken aback by something that was very unscripted, but to his great credit, I think he gave Henry a hug, if I remember it right, and they shook hands.
	And afterwards, he did tell me that he wasn't a tall I was surprised by hearing someone's live verification of what he himself had always suspected.
	I don't know whether Bob knew as any kind of a documented fact that there were bases on Mars.
	But of course the whole subject of his presentation then, this was in Barcelona, this was the ExoPolitics conference in Barcelona in July 2009.
	And Bob gave an excellent presentation, which is all on YouTube.
	It's to be found.
	And he was arguing strongly that there were a whole bunch of anomalous images on the base of Mars and around Mars.
	And he talked about this at very great length.
	So to some degree, he's not going to be surprised if somebody comes along and says, hey, you know what?
	You're right.
	Absolutely.
	Well, that was the moment on stage, and Henry Deacon was extremely nervous.
	That's one of the first times he spoke in public.
	I know that, at least to this kind of a crowd, and I know that he had been at the conference you had in Zurich prior to that, and he had defended, he had gone on stage to defend Brian O'Leary Former Mars astronaut and Brian O'Leary has also passed and I also have a picture of Bob Dean and Brian O'Leary, believe it or not.
	Here that I just happened to have, I came across.
	It's, you know, they were actually on, I don't know if, well, you remember, but you may not know that they were actually seated next to each other at the Barcelona ExoPolitics Conference, what you call panel discussion that we hosted.
	And that was the reason we were initially invited.
	And so we got them both together, seated together.
	And both men have now passed over.
	Brian, a couple of years ago, I believe it was.
	And Bob, of course, just in the last couple of days.
	And I'm just going to check my phone.
	So this was a very memorable time.
	And to have those two great men together in one place and to have a photograph of the two is a real treat.
	I came across that today when I was making the playlist.
	Very, very good.
	Yeah.
	We don't really want to be casting our net too wide because it's a very, very big net here, but for sure.
	Brian O'Leary was another person, another rare person for whom it could be said that he was universally loved.
	You know, and I think maybe in our great advanced age, we're suffering from a bit of time compression here.
	Brian actually passed in 2011.
	That's like seven years ago.
	It doesn't feel that long.
	And of course, if he were alive today, someone else who would have been happy to come on the show would be Gordon Novell.
	And Gordon Novell passed in 2012, and this was the last time you and I did a similar tribute like this, you may remember.
	Yes, actually, although I hardly remember.
	It's funny that you remember it so well, and that's great.
	I'm actually in the process of writing an email to John Lear, so you have to bear with me one second here.
	If you want to write your email, let people talk.
	Okay, now...
	Wait, I have to...
	I'm just going to take this...
	Hold on...
	Well, actually, that didn't really work out.
	Okay, I'm going to turn that off.
	I'll keep on talking.
	If you want to mute yourself and make some phone calls, I can tell people who may not be totally familiar with Bob Dean and why he's such an important character in Ufological history.
	I can say something about what he became very well known for.
	If you want to take a couple of moments out, I can do that.
	Just let me know.
	Actually, go right ahead.
	I have sent the message to John Lear.
	I think what I'll do is I'll go in the other room.
	I'll call him and make sure it's okay to bring him on the air.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	So you take the reins here.
	Okay.
	If you don't mind.
	I'll happily do that.
	Okay.
	So, what Bob Dean became most known for, besides his huge personality and the most engaging way in which he connected with every single person who came into his path, was when he was a young man, Servicing in the military.
	He worked in a fairly junior capacity, but it was an important junior capacity, at the SHAPE headquarters,
	S-H-A-P-E, which stands for the Supreme Headquarters Allied, let me think, Allied something in Europe in the 1960s.
	Basically, he was stationed in Paris in the 1960s and he was in a privileged position because although he was in a junior capacity, he was one of these...
	Kerry, you may need to mute yourself there.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, I wasn't going to compete with that.
	I had to wait for you to come back in the room.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	I didn't know that was happening.
	You know, I just was talking to John Lear.
	He is not able to come on the show.
	He's actually on the way to the doctor.
	And I don't know who was calling me.
	I'm going to try to...
	It's kind of awkward because I've invited people to come on the show, so I never know if the person calling, unless it says their caller ID, which a lot of these people don't do.
	Well, I think it's probably fair to take the risk to assume that anyone trying to contact you will be doing so with bona fides and good intentions and somebody who did know Bob.
	I don't think you're going to get somebody...
	Who's a stranger in a crawl?
	No, well, actually, I could get advertisers.
	I get these weird phone calls from all kinds of places.
	Anyway, if you want to continue checking that out, you could put your mic on mute, and I'll continue telling the story that I abandoned because I couldn't compete against it.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, so where we were, I was describing how He was working in a junior capacity at SHAPE which stands for the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe in the in the 1960s and he was like the aid adjutant to some very senior military people and as such he had
	the keys to the safe literally and metaphorically and he had access To look at documents, to read documents, to fetch documents, and to handle documents.
	And one of the major documents that he got to see, he got to read, and he got to study personally in detail from cover to cover, was a very well-known but kind of apocryphal document, which is called The Assessment.
	This is what Bob has always said it was called, the assessment, just simply that.
	This document has never turned up in any freedom of information requests.
	No one's ever leaked it online.
	We don't know what it says, but apparently it was a very substantial document.
	And the assessment was an assessment at that time by shape, by the European powers, the Allied powers Europe.
	Of the potential UFO threat.
	And it was at that point that Bob, although he'd always been sort of mildly interested in the subject, sat up straight, so to speak, and then realized that he was staring at documentary evidence of exactly how seriously this phenomenon was being taken by the military in Europe.
	And in the States.
	And of course, if you have a wake-up call like that, then it's the kind of thing which is literally unforgettable.
	And he became personally committed to find out as much as he possibly could about this phenomenon for the rest of his life.
	So this was a life-changing moment or a life-changing period when he had his hands literally on this major, major document.
	That was the subject, basically, of our interview with him in May 2007.
	The title is called Bob Dean, An Officer and a Gentleman.
	And it's a good interview.
	We would recommend it to people, even if I say it myself, it was a good interview.
	And the subject of the assessment, as best as I recall...
	In just a few words, it was assessed that there was no tangible threat that should be acted on in any proactive way.
	I believe that that is the executive summary of the document that he saw.
	But the document that he saw was richly laced with military reports, gun camera photographs, Fighter pilots' testimonies, everything you can possibly think of.
	It was a very, very well-padded military internal report about the UFO phenomenon.
	And just as a tiny footnote to this, and I really don't want to go off topic here, there's a lot of fuss and ado and commentary about And noise, so to speak,
	in the UFO community these days about Tom DeLonge and AATIP and Luis Elizondo and all this kind of stuff, as if all of these studies had only started a few years ago.
	That is just such nonsense.
	The American military, and very, very probably The Russians and the Chinese as well in quick succession have been deeply studying the UFO phenomenon ever since 1947 or maybe even earlier.
	And of course there have been many, many, many highly classified studies into this from many, many years ago.
	And Bob Dean was telling us about this personally.
	There's every solid reason To completely believe every word that he told us and which he's repeated without any exaggeration, without any alteration, without any changes to his story at all in many conferences, to many people, in many other interviews.
	And he's just one of these people who says, this is what I saw, this is what I read, this is what it said, and I'm telling the truth.
	And that's what he has said ever since he saw this in the The 1960s.
	This is like 60 years ago.
	60 plus years ago.
	So the idea that the Pentagon have suddenly woken up to the reality of this phenomenon just in the last few years is complete nonsense.
	And I just...
	That makes me sound very English, doesn't it?
	I could use a stronger word.
	But...
	It really is not to be believed.
	In my personal opinion, those who are giving great credence to the importance of the recent so-called disclosures by Tom DeLonge, Luis Elizondo and all the rest, They need to factor in the historical element.
	The historical element is enormous.
	It's an enormous part of the iceberg that's under the water that has not yet been disclosed in any way.
	Well, actually, I say it's not been disclosed in any way, but this is where we circle back to Bodine.
	Because, of course, he did disclose this.
	He didn't have the paperwork to present to the camera to share online.
	He couldn't actually show us the document.
	But his testimony is part of the reality of that enormous historical iceberg.
	And this is why he's important.
	This is why he's important.
	After that, what happened...
	In the years later, I should say, is that once he started to talk about all this, and basically that's all he was saying.
	He was saying, look, I saw this, I read this, I held it in my hands, and this is what it said.
	And people were studying this, the military was studying this in great depth in the 1960s.
	Then, of course, others started to contact him behind the scenes.
	And this is what you said, Kerry, A little while earlier, when you referred to him as being part of what Bob Dean himself called the Old Boys Network, that's a kind of very nice term, but what he's referring to there is a bunch of retired military officers who all drank their Jack Daniels together and exchanged their experiences off record and privately to each other All of which,
	Bob said, corroborated everything that he had learned at first hand.
	If you're there, Kerry, and if you're not on the phone to somebody, I can answer the talking stick back to you.
	I am here and I have been contacting people as you're speaking.
	And thank you for all of that.
	That's wonderful, Bill.
	I do want to say that as far as I'm concerned, the SHAPE report did document that the UFOs could be a threat.
	At the time, this was, I'm not sure the exact year, but the way I recall Bob referring to it was That the potential threat was being acted on actually.
	And over the skies in Germany they were attempting to shoot these things down with little luck.
	And so what Bob Dean was saying is that we could have little or no effect at the time on them.
	Now, it is interesting when you look at this history.
	I mean, it's kind of hard to talk about all of this without actually kind of doing what you're doing and getting into detail because...
	We know so much more now, and we know a great deal of what has been going on behind the scenes as well.
	Not everything, obviously, but at least if you stayed on the sort of trail of truth.
	And with You know, when we started, Bill, there were so many, so few, actually, people doing what we were doing.
	And now everyone does it.
	So there's a zillion people out there interviewing a zillion other people and interviewing whistleblowers and doing everything we did back in the day.
	Not maybe as well, in my opinion.
	In all cases, maybe in some cases they're doing a good job.
	But, you know, this is the kind of thing that has a huge history behind it.
	And so I will say that although they couldn't, at least in terms of the SHAPE report and Bob's knowledge at the time, back in those days, they weren't having much luck.
	There is some evidence, however, that we have shot down UFOs.
	That we have engaged in actual wars with UFOs over our skies.
	And for that, I have witnesses and so on.
	And I could get into all of that.
	I'm not sure this is the time and the place.
	But I did want to highlight that because this is an ongoing war of worlds in my view.
	And we have both positive and negative beings out there, just like we do on Earth.
	And we are a composite of that genome as well.
	So it's important to kind of bring all of that in when you look at this material that we're talking about, that Bob Dean was one of the sort of leaders in our sector, spokespeople, who was really bringing the knowledge to people, and he put himself at great risk.
	And along those lines, actually, there are some serious things to talk about because In the process, his daughter did commit suicide and one could consider that an Illuminati hit on him and his family, a payback for his breaking his security oath, which he thoroughly did and did for many, many years.
	He was not taken out as a result, which does happen to some whistleblowers.
	Gordon Novell was taken out eventually.
	Brian O'Leary was taken out.
	I mean, these people were taken out.
	But Bob survived because Bob was part of the Old Boys Network.
	He was one of them.
	And I believe also because...
	That it's possible that they did pay back on him.
	You know, they also did pay back on Clifford Stone, a very close, good friend of Bob's who we interviewed or I interviewed them together.
	And that video is on the playlist if you haven't seen it.
	And it wasn't that long ago.
	I mean, it was a number of years ago now.
	And Clifford Stone is another person who...
	Broke his security oath in essence.
	Told the truth.
	Because both men had this incredible kind of crisis of conscience knowing that we had a right to know.
	That we could handle the truth.
	And that we had a right to know.
	And Clifford, his son, died in a motorcycle accident.
	So you could say, well, that was just an accident.
	Or you could look at the situation with the Illuminati and how they operate with payback, etc.
	And and so there are lots of examples of this sort of thing.
	But Bob did survive.
	I do want to say, however, that I know for a fact that Bob knew much more than he was able to say.
	And he was protecting his wife, Marcia Schaefer, his remaining family, you know, and his loved ones in keeping silent about some things.
	But there was very little he didn't know.
	I have to tell you the truth.
	He really, really did know a great deal.
	Go ahead.
	I would completely agree with that.
	I have actually just pulled up the transcript of our interview with him because after you put me on What did the shape assessment conclude?
	And you were kind of on the spot as well because we don't have this in front of us.
	I thought I'd check it out.
	And this is what it said.
	It may be interesting for some of your viewers, listeners to hear this.
	This is a direct transcript from the interview.
	Bob said, The study was initiated in 1961.
	I arrived in 1963, and it was concluded and published in 1964.
	And that is, as I said, what changed my life.
	You said, well, okay, what's the conclusion?
	What did they conclude from this?
	Bob said, The study was designed initially to determine if there is a threat to Allied forces in Europe.
	It was a military study, a simple beginning.
	What the hell is going on and is there a threat here?
	And you asked him, well, is there, was there?
	Bob said, they concluded after three years, apparently not, no threat.
	And you said, really?
	And then Bob clarified, that's right.
	Now, the reason they concluded that is, first of all, the technology that they had been exposed to, the technology that had been repeatedly demonstrated to our military, to the Soviets, to everybody, was so far beyond anything we had or could even imagine that the technology was out of this world.
	No pun intended.
	So if there had been a threat from these guys, whoever these guys were, it would have been over A long time ago.
	As one of our generals used to say, they could have cleaned our clock from the very beginning because they demonstrated repeatedly technology that we couldn't even begin to touch.
	So that's just a tiny extract from the interview.
	And what Bob was saying, which is very interesting, is that if the ETs had really wanted to go to war with us in a kind of H.G. Wells, War of the Worlds kind of way, They could have done anything they wanted, and we couldn't have done anything about it.
	And for that reason, it was concluded that there was no obvious threat.
	And in the past, as you quite rightly said, and I think Bob talked about this as well, back in the 1950s, there had been attempts to shoot down UFOs.
	There were all kinds of reports of fighter jets chasing them and trying to I'm trying to intercept them and there's the Thomas Mantell incident where he got too close and then his plane broke up and all this kind of stuff.
	There are many, many reports that many pilots lost their lives following orders to try and take these UFOs down and they were never able to do this.
	What would happen is the UFOs would just knock them out of the sky in self-defense.
	Now, I do not know whether there have been other high-tech ways since developed, or maybe even developed earlier, because there are reports, for instance, that the Roswell craft was knocked out of the sky, or the crafts were knocked out of the sky by high-energy radar transmissions, that it was then realized could be used as a weapon.
	That's a whole different subject.
	But, simply having fighter pilots chasing UFOs and trying to shoot them down with missiles, it just didn't work.
	You might as well be throwing stones at a tank, you know, it just doesn't work.
	So, once again, this is kind of off topic here, because this is a tribute to Bob.
	But basically, that's what he was sharing with the world that he read with his own eyes from this document that he got out of the safe.
	And his testimony has been questioned by some people.
	I mean, we do need to report that.
	Some people have said, well, look, you know, there's no proof and he could be saying anything and we don't have this document and who is this guy.
	But I think it's fair to say, just before I hand the talking stick back to you, I think it's fair to say that anyone who has been in Bob Dean's company, and let's bring this right back in full circle to the kind of person he was.
	Anyone who's been in Bob Dean's company Sat down at a table drinking coffee or Jack Daniels or anything else with him.
	They would find it extremely hard to conclude from that that he was a fanciful storyteller who was just inventing the whole thing.
	He had actually radiated Authenticity and sincerity.
	That would be my own tribute to him from my own personal experience.
	I spent a lot of time with him personally.
	He just radiated integrity.
	He was the epitome of integrity according to my own definition of the word.
	And that's really one of the things that I think might be a candidate to put on his gravestone, so to speak.
	The poor man.
	Bless him.
	Let me hand it back to you, Kerry.
	Okay, well, thank you for that.
	I have to say that actually it's important to understand what Bob Dean was allowed to say and what he wasn't allowed to say.
	And you can appreciate that he couldn't very well say that the UFOs are a threat.
	If he was indeed talking about an assessment in Europe.
	Now, the military has always known they're a threat and they've always behaved as if they are a threat.
	Wisely, in my view.
	Now, I can say that we have Clifford Stone.
	He was there for crash retrievals.
	These things don't just fall out of the sky accidentally.
	They actually were shot down in many cases and have been.
	And some of them could have also been affected by, it is said, lightning and other things like that.
	However, what happened very quickly is, and actually what the Secret Space Program is all about, was developing technology, getting along with the greys, going along and getting along, allowing them to abduct humans so that they could then get the technology necessary to fight them on their own ground.
	And that's exactly what has happened.
	So over the years, and Bob was a wise enough man To know that this was the process.
	This is actually what has happened.
	So that humans have been abducted.
	They have been killed, eaten, and turned into slaves and taken to other planets.
	You know, the list is really long.
	Yes, there are some positive greys who abduct to do positive things.
	But there is the missing humans, of which there are millions, and children.
	And it's still going on.
	And the greys are in service to the reptilians.
	And the reptilians and the greys feed off human substances, which is, some people call it, I think it's called something like louche.
	And it has to do with our hormones, etc.
	And so this is well documented.
	And I have to say that it's important to Kind of put Bob's statements in context with the time and also his mission, because his mission was, again, he had limitations and it's not like he would lie, but he would tell it as he understood it.
	Now, whether or not the assessment that he read was altered for his viewing or whether he actually knew the real truth, The deeper truth, let's say years later even, regardless of what he saw when he was a young man.
	It's hard to say in the timeline, but...
	It is really important to understand that Bob Dean was quite wise and he knew all about the abductions and he knew about the proclivity for greys and reptilians to eat humans and kill them, etc.
	And that there weren't just cattle mutilations, there were human mutilations as well that document this and so on.
	It's kind of, you know, it's a big story.
	And, you know, with all due respect, Bill, that's the literal truth.
	You're right, what literally he said on the interview.
	But I can tell you that in my conversations with Bob, he was a lot smarter than that.
	So as far as this tribute to Bob, I do want to make sure that we kind of bring in everything and allow for all of the...
	These sort of sides to the man.
	And one thing that Bob would say to me, you know, is that he was a command sergeant major when he was in the military.
	And from there, he went to work for FEMA. So he got kind of deeper down the rabbit hole when he did that.
	And he never talked much about his time in FEMA, but you can imagine that he was aware of some of the things going on behind the scenes, which has to do with Camps that are still sitting out there, in theory, for some earth changes that could happen.
	We did do an interview called The Coming of Nibiru, in which Bob thought that it would actually be seen in the skies in 2018.
	So this is 2018, almost 2019, but we're still under that timeline.
	Now, some people think they've seen, you know, they have photographs of it, etc., There's certainly a great deal of Earth changes kind of happening around us, and this is not because of global warming, because there's warming of all the planets, in case you didn't see the study that Richard Hoagland and David Wilcock conducted, scientific study that documents the heating up of all the planets, and there are no SUVs on Saturn that I know of.
	Although there could be some on the moon at this point, since we have so many bases there, or on Mars, but it's certainly not heating up the planets.
	So it's really, this story is moving along and escalating, and I think in a certain sense, Bob would wish, you know, it'd be like watching a television show, and maybe where he's going, he can see anyway.
	What is going to happen when disclosure does hit the streets?
	So in his lifetime, he didn't get to see the result of disclosure, the result of his work.
	And he was a very loving, positive man.
	He also related greatly to the Pleiadians, in case people don't know that.
	And so I think perhaps he was a Pleiadian soul, or at least related to that group.
	I like to think that he was also related to the lion beings because he reminded me of a lion.
	And he was a very, very special soul.
	He is, I believe, you know, we come in in soul groups.
	So he is one of the leaders of our soul group that I'm part of and I assume, Bill, you're part of as well.
	So there are a group of us and we kind of know each other And some of us are friends and some of us are enemies and some of us are in between that spectrum.
	And some of us have gone from one spectrum, side of the spectrum to the other.
	But we are part of what you call a soul group.
	So this is, you know, this is a very memorable time for when Bob's passing now.
	And I can say that we were part of Disclosure.
	I can say that very proudly.
	I can say that he was A very strong part of disclosure and that we have been disclosing all along.
	And this is what Bob's mission has been as well.
	So he disclosed the things he was able to within the parameters of his security oath.
	He did violate it, but at the same time, if you kind of pay attention to What went on with him and his daughter and certain other things going on in his life.
	He was actually having some very difficult times as a result of, I would say, his disclosures.
	It wasn't just, in other words, his human karma that was operational.
	There were subtle paybacks and pushes and shoves coming from the Illuminati, from the powers that be, so to speak, behind the scenes.
	And he was in constant contact with many of the top players, as I said.
	And I just happen to know this for a fact.
	So you can imagine that he's getting directives.
	And this goes for other people that I interview.
	It's still going on, obviously.
	And whistleblowers, you know, as much as they may tell the truth as they know it, they're also often...
	In contact secretly with these people that are definitely in the know, working for the secret space program, you know, powers that be, etc.
	So I just want to say that these people are, in talking to their contacts, are sort of being directed in what not to say, what to omit.
	So you could say, well, it's lies by omission.
	But it's in order to save their lives.
	And one of our famous witnesses, Arthur Neumann, a.k.a.
	Henry Deacon, actually acknowledged this was the case with himself.
	He actually honestly said this to me at one point.
	And he's not the only one.
	So just wanted to say that, you know, Bill, and you can certainly take over from here and sort of share anything else that you'd like.
	Along these lines of Bob Dean's passing.
	Thank you, yeah.
	I think it's, I mean, it's absolutely fair to say that Bob was careful in what he said.
	I think we can all agree on that.
	This is actually the way that he spoke.
	He spoke slowly and he was measured and he was deliberate and he wasn't the kind of person ever to blurt And one had the impression that he gave a very great deal of thought to everything that he said.
	This is just his whole demeanor.
	And the reason why I was referencing this document, which he said was called The Assessment, to anyone watching this who may not be familiar with the story, is that this is where Bob Dean started.
	This is what he started talking about.
	He started talking about this tangible thing And he was reporting on what he said that he had read.
	Sorry.
	It's okay.
	I'll continue and you can just take the call and mute it if you like.
	So, what happened after that, as anyone who's been following Bob's story will understand, is that then he started to talk about more and more things.
	Kind of like he started to warm up a little bit.
	He realized that the audience was willing to listen and accept some things.
	And part of that equation was probably because he realized that the years were passing as well for him.
	And so then he started to talk about the fact that he'd been on the ships.
	He told us this.
	He told others this.
	He started talking about Anomalous experiences in his own life.
	I remember the story that he told us and I think he told some other people too.
	But when he was a little child and he'd fallen, if I remember the story right, he'd fallen or slipped down a steep bank into a river when he was a tiny little kid.
	And then the next thing he knew, he wasn't He was safe, he'd been pulled out of it, he'd been levitated out of it, or he'd been bilocated out of it, as if by magical unseen hands.
	And he started to share that story.
	He told us in, I think it was our second interview with him, he told us about how he had heard directly from people who'd been involved in this, that Noah's Ark had been found on Mount Ararat.
	He told us this story.
	I mean, this is an extraordinary story.
	Nothing to do with the ufology, per se.
	It might have something to do with the history of the human race.
	And he told this wonderful story.
	He just said that somebody was looking at these images and he said, you know, this is a bloody great ship.
	Look at this thing.
	And we never saw those images.
	But the only reason why I'm...
	Mentioning that is just to acknowledge that as the years passed, Bob would open up and he would talk about more and more and more as he realized it was safe, as he realized that no one was going to stop him, and as he realized that the audience weren't necessarily going to ridicule him.
	And talking about his credibility there, just before I... I'll hand it back to you again.
	Just earlier on you talked about disclosure and how in a funny kind of way he was part of that and maybe even we were part of that because it's an incremental process.
	It's a brick by brick process.
	It's not something that suddenly happens all at once.
	I think many people watching this will understand that.
	And Bob was one of those people, this is returning here to the tribute, that if say you were 40 years old, and you wanted your mom and dad, who didn't know anything about the subject at all, to listen to one person who might say some interesting things about this ridiculous subject.
	I think very high on that list would be you'd say, well, look, listen to this guy.
	You know, he's a military guy.
	He speaks with authority.
	Look at his integrity.
	Look at everything, the whole way in which he conducts himself.
	And then listen to what he has to say, because then he is one of the best possible people to be presenting some kind of a truth to the world.
	Would you agree with that?
	I'm sure you would.
	Oh, of course.
	Absolutely.
	I can say that Bob, and also, I do recommend his wife, Marcia Schaefer.
	In the early days, she was, and actually, I guess she still is, dealing with executives from what you might call Fortune 500 and below companies, and some of those executives were having contact experiences of their own, and And she was basically counseling them, I guess you could say.
	And I think she still does this.
	And she also is quite good at dealing with people sort of coming from the mainstream, with a mainstream viewpoint that have a lot of hurdles to kind of jump over in order to understand the true nature of this subject matter that we deal with.
	So it's...
	It's not just Bob.
	It's also his wife, Marcia Schaefer.
	But Bob is sort of a special case because he is a military man and he had a fairly high rank and because he was, again, part of that old boy's network.
	So he is speaking from his direct experience.
	Now, in Marcia's case, she is a contactee and has dealt with ET's For a long time, actually, I guess her whole life.
	And she's written several books, I think a couple of books.
	I've interviewed her on several occasions and each time I have dealt with her regarding her books.
	One is called, I think, Writings or something, Dialogues with a Cultural Anthropologist or something like that.
	And that's...
	I'm really paraphrasing badly her title.
	And then she has another more recent book, I believe.
	And so if you're interested, she does do consultations.
	And so I do want to recommend her in that regard.
	She has a website called beyondzebra.com.
	So it's called beyondzebra.com.
	Anyway...
	But in terms of Bob, yes.
	You know, I think that this learning curve with regard to this material that we deal with is ongoing.
	And it's ongoing for everyone.
	In fact, I was told by my witness, Captain Mark Richards, that Bobby Ray Inman, who's quite elderly at this point, an admiral, as many people will know, a very high level admiral in the Navy, He is said to be one of the people who is most in the know on this subject matter on planet Earth.
	So that's saying a lot.
	And, you know, you can take it for what it's worth.
	It is interesting.
	It's a very interesting statement.
	Of course, I have asked Bobby Ray Inman for an interview, but have not been accepted or even replied to.
	But nonetheless, I can say that there are people out there, generals.
	I was just told that General Dunford is very much in the know on this subject matter.
	So if you're a military man or woman and you want to find out who is in the know nowadays, these are the very top levels of what is in essence the secret space program and generals and admirals who are in the know.
	But I can say that The reason that abductees and contactees are so heavily monitored is that they, the secret space program, the powers that be, whatever you want to call them, are monitoring individuals to find out more, to find out what they don't know.
	And so this is an ongoing subject.
	It's an ongoing You know, learning experience for everyone.
	And Bob was no exception.
	So he was becoming more and more knowledgeable the older he got.
	And I think some of his points of view might have changed gradually on certain things as he...
	He perhaps got older and sometimes he would even say to me he didn't think people could handle the truth, like he would get exasperated.
	And he was a very feisty guy.
	So even though he was incredibly well-loved, he was also, you know, and I think part of the reason he was well-loved is because he was so feisty and so willing to sort of speak his mind and And he had so much spunk and all of that.
	So I just want to say that he was not sort of a kiss-ass, namby-pamby kind of person at all.
	And consequently, he did love my interview style, which he told me many times.
	He said I made him a rock star, which was very funny.
	But in a way, we did make him a rock star in our sector.
	I mean, he became so incredibly well-known.
	It was just, I think there's very few people out there who claim any knowledge in this area who won't know the name Bob Dean.
	He's a rock star complete with his ponytail.
	Yes, exactly.
	No, I mean, he was extremely dapper and all of that.
	So, you know, he looked the part.
	He was the perfect elder statesman, really.
	He looked like the elder statesman.
	And he actually, you know, made us feel that we were in good company, if you want to call it that, for being knowledgeable in this area and for being willing to To go through this rodeo that is such a wild ride.
	So now I have looked on my email and I guess you know this is a very short notice and nobody seems to be responding so I assume that this will all happen after the fact.
	I do want to say that there are many subjects that we could talk about with regard to Bob.
	And certainly Nibiru was one of the things that he talked about because people are going to be curious about that.
	Like I said, he thought it was going to return around 2018 or be seen in our skies, at least be close enough to be seen from Earth.
	Now, some people will say you can see it because they see a second sun or what appears to be a second sun.
	At times, other people will say, no, it's much farther out.
	I have so many different testimonies at this point about the potential for what is called Planet X, Nibiru, and just a plane, a planetoid, etc., that it's kind of hard to keep track.
	But I will say that he very much admired Zachariah Sitchin.
	And That he knew Zachariah very well, who was also passed on, of course.
	And I can also say that Zachariah himself said Nibiru wasn't coming back until some, I don't know, time like 2050 or even later.
	So there is contradictory testimony about Nibiru out there.
	Bob was told one thing.
	I've got other sources that say other things.
	And so the beat goes on.
	That's kind of that side of the story.
	Now, Bill, I'm sure that, you know, I know this is a tribute to Bob Dean, but I think there will be some people, since we haven't talked in such a long time, that might like to hear what you're up to if you want to talk to people about your own story.
	situation or or travels and also Project Avalon you know you're you're welcome to talk about that as well or any other stories that come to mind that may be related to Bob Dean and his experiences since it doesn't appear that we're going to be joined by anybody at least that's been able to reach me so far okay well thank you very much Let me first just loop back to a couple of things,
	just as kind of little footnotes here.
	One, of course, as you know, is that wonderful adage often stated by Richard Hoagland, who says, the lie is different at every level.
	And all that Bob was doing when he was talking about Nibiru, it wasn't like he'd seen the thing through a telescope himself.
	He was just reporting what he'd heard from the old boys network.
	He was just reporting what he'd heard And who knows where that came from, how accurate it was, whether he was being misinformed.
	We just don't know.
	And so I just want to add that comment there.
	Absolutely.
	Agree.
	Agree with that.
	And that's true of all whistleblowers, by the way.
	People forget that, you know.
	People forget that whistleblowers themselves can be misled.
	Yes, of course.
	You can have somebody with the utmost sincerity and integrity who's talking complete nonsense because of something that has been planted on them to relay to the unsuspecting audience.
	This is the kind of thing that can happen to anyone at any time, and it may even have happened to us.
	It's a whole different conversation here.
	Let me look back to Marcia Schaefer, because I don't think we can...
	Can pay tribute to Bob without paying tribute to Marsha as well.
	Her website again, let me echo this in stereo, it's beyondzebra.com, just exactly those two words, beyond and zebra, the animal, beyondzebra.com.
	And her book is, it's a wonderful title of the book, I must say, Confessions of an Intergalactic Anthropologist.
	That's her book.
	And Marsha as you as you rightly point out is a very remarkable fascinating interesting person in her own right and one of the sort of crosses that she had to bear and I may not be choosing my words quite right here but of course um she was always to some degree living in Bob Dean's shadow and Bob Dean cast a very very big shadow and
	And so, meaning that he was always a hard act to follow.
	And I do think that it's kind of like if Bob and Marsha were together at a conference, everyone would want to talk to Bob because, as you said, he's the rock star.
	But Marsha is a very exceptional personality in her own right, with remarkable experiences of her own, with remarkable insights, She does a lot of work.
	She does a lot of counseling work, written a wonderful book.
	And I would really want to pay tribute to her, especially because in the last Several years, certainly the last three or four years, maybe longer, she has been pretty much single-handedly taking care of Bob.
	And that's very difficult.
	When you have somebody who's pretty much bedridden, who's lost their sight, who's struggling in every way because their body is just worn out, that's a tough support act to be taking on.
	And so for anyone listening to this, I will understand that Marsha herself is a heroine here.
	She's a hero.
	She's been heroic in taking care of Bob.
	maybe sometimes seemingly thanklessly, because that can be something that can sometimes be a very solitary task.
	And what may happen now, after all the dust has settled, after she's done all the work, after she's dealt with all the communications, after she's handled everything and taking a very, very long, deep breath and maybe a bit of time out, then she can focus on her own work, which is very important deep breath and maybe a bit of time out, then she And I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss that.
	Yeah?
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I do want to say that, as I said, she has...
	I did do an interview not that long ago.
	It might have been a year...
	About a year ago, actually maybe even more, maybe two years, when I had my PCTV channel and she actually wanted to have a show on it.
	She did, I think, briefly, and she was interested in counseling, as I say, you know, executives and still does so.
	And I don't have her other book yet, In front of me here.
	But if you go onto my YouTube channel, you should be able to find her other interviews.
	So there's no doubt that she was absolutely dedicated to keeping Bob alive and healthy and was doing home care.
	So I don't think she had any real help to speak of that I know of.
	I offered countless times to...
	Enlist the Camelot, you know, because this audience is very generous and there were so many people that would be more than willing to try to help Bob.
	But she really was a private person.
	Bob was a private person and I did visit them in their home and she was his sole caretaker, from my understanding, for most of the last years of his life.
	And, you know, during their marriage as well, I assume.
	So that's quite a substantial burden.
	And there also was, you know, a time when it seemed as though Bob really hung on at a very kind of minimal state of being able to do anything.
	So it was, you know, the soul takes its time and time is an illusion anyway.
	So I believe that his sojourn here on Earth, that he had, in essence, kind of left us quite a long time ago, but that he, you know, he didn't actually leave his body.
	It was kept alive for this period of time.
	But that Bob, most of the time, was probably elsewhere, you know, participating in other lives and other activities, etc., as he will be now.
	And, you know, so I just wanted to say that Marsha was his sole caretaker.
	So absolutely, you know, our love and blessings to her as always.
	And, you know, I hope that at some point she will come forward and talk about Bob, her experience with him, you know, being the love of his life.
	They had a lot of past life memories and they would joke about them with each other and, you Actually, if you see my first interview with Bob, the one in which is the officer and a gentleman, part three is with Marcia Schaefer and Bob together on a couch.
	Talking about how they know each other, and you can see that wonderful rapport between them, etc.
	And so if you're curious about him and his relationship with Marcia Schaefer, that's a great way to start.
	So that is on our first interview, part three.
	So thanks, Bill, for your tribute to Marsha in that sense as well.
	So I think it would be very wonderful to invite Marsha onto a show to talk about Bob, maybe in a couple of months.
	That's probably the kind of time that you need to leave it.
	And I think that she would be very, very pleased to honor Bob in her own way.
	And I would be one of the first to tune into that.
	I just love to hear that.
	And of course, to talk about herself, what it was What it's been like being with this great man for so many years and also maybe the difficulties that she bore very much alone when she was taking care of him.
	So I think a show with Marsha would be something that everyone would love to see.
	Absolutely.
	I agree completely.
	So, that's just, I think that was a side note because I did ask you, you know, a question that I think you kind of have managed to avoid, but it's up to you if you, you know, if you want to share anything about your current, you know, travels, etc.
	Some people may be curious because we haven't had you on my show for a very long time and people are always writing to me and asking me how you're doing, etc.
	Oh, they are?
	Okay.
	Sure.
	I didn't even know that.
	Okay.
	So, thanks.
	I won't make this a big deal because the show isn't about me.
	I would be very happy to talk to you or to connect to your audience.
	Maybe once again, something that we can bookmark for later.
	But in summary, I'm in Ecuador.
	I'm very active.
	I run Project Avalon.
	Project Avalon is a forum.
	Where there are a bunch of very high quality people who talk about a lot of very interesting things.
	If you go to projectavalon.net, then you can follow links to the forum.
	And we have been told many times that we're probably the highest quality or one of the highest quality forums on the internet.
	And I'm very, very proud of that.
	I'm honored to be working shoulder to shoulder and to be communicating shoulder to shoulder with some very, very remarkable people.
	And it's all about presenting the truth.
	It's about presenting support.
	It's about clarifying a lot of the The confusion that we're swimming around in at the moment, as everyone listening to this, everyone watching this will know, there's a lot of confusion, especially for somebody coming into the field.
	I mean, I've been at this like you have for more years than I care to remember, but for somebody who's like a bright, enthusiastic, aware 25-year-old or 20-year-old or even an 18-year-old, you know, And there may be some of you of those age watching this right now.
	It's like, how do you turn on your computer and figure out what's real and what's not?
	This is really, really difficult.
	And so to some degree, that's what my life is about.
	I'm very active.
	I don't I don't do interviews anymore.
	I haven't been on an interview with anyone for quite a long time, so in some funny ways I'm a bit of a recluse, but I really am active.
	Where I am physically, I'm looking out of my farmhouse kitchen right now at a whole bunch of greenery.
	There are hummingbirds flying around.
	I live thousands of feet up in the Andes and Ecuador.
	It's a beautiful environment.
	I'm in a mountain spring straight out of the tap.
	I get raw milk from a farmer just down the road.
	The cost of living is very cheap.
	I'm very happy and healthy in every way.
	I live here with my dog and my dog is my best friend and you know what that's like.
	And strangely enough, and I'll make this my kind of last word I guess, I don't often talk to people on audio.
	I communicate on the internet a lot.
	I'm on the internet night and day, as so many of us are.
	But usually it's by text.
	I don't actually get to speak.
	And I spend many days, and this may be very hard for many people to understand, I spend many days when I just don't open my mouth and say a word.
	I don't talk to anybody.
	Sometimes for days on end, I don't talk to anybody.
	And so I'm kind of, it's a little bit like living in some kind of meditative state, almost literally on the side of a mountain, looking at the world from quite some distance.
	I'm pleased I'm not in the States.
	I'm pleased I'm I'm not embroiled in the extraordinarily conflicts and high emotions that are flying around about all kinds of things.
	I watch it all with great interest, but I'm not directly affected, which I'm thankful.
	And the summary, I think, is, let me say, I'm in good shape.
	I'm very happy.
	I'm delighted to be talking to you.
	Let me say this to you personally.
	I'm very, very happy to be in touch with you.
	And thank you very much for inviting me on the show to pay tribute to Bob.
	This is what this is about.
	And let me just kind of close off by saying that.
	Kerry, thank you so much.
	It's been a real pleasure and it's been an honor.
	I do appreciate it.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	And likewise, you know, obviously it's kind of like a good opportunity to reconnect with you.
	We did share This incredible moment in time in the history of humanity with regard to what I call this ongoing disclosure of the truth behind the matrix, which involves the ET reality.
	Also an ongoing story about AI, the coming of AI, and that sort of explosion into our midst which is gaining ground daily and with 5G may become even more so obviously or will become more so and you know a lot of things that are going on that people are still unaware of secrets that are being revealed daily in our
	midst some even in the mainstream some not so much some in our walks sort of among sort of Peers, people like us searching for the truth, of which there is a growing number,
	and that has been true since the very beginning, since the inception of Project Camelot, which is very gratifying that we have been joined by so many people in this quest to get the truth out, and that there's more truth Emerging all the time.
	And the story isn't over yet.
	So it's an ongoing journey.
	It's an ongoing story and an ongoing revealing.
	And we're part of it.
	And I am very happy to say that Project Camelot was there at a very crucial time and that we shared those times together.
	Bill, we used to work 24-7.
	I don't know if people kind of have any idea How in the early days of Camelot, we were traveling around the world and staying up all hours.
	I still stay up all hours, actually, but staying up all hours, dealing with our...
	trying to get our recent interviews online, you know, editing, dealing with whistleblowers behind the scene, evaluating material, evaluating potential whistleblowers, etc.
	So it's...
	It's been a wild ride, for sure.
	It's been a wild ride, yeah.
	Let me just say, just to add to what you're saying, just before I sign off here, that, yeah, I completely agree with you, that I'm often surprised and pleasantly reminded by people who I hear from literally almost every day who say that back in those days, this is over 10 years ago now, That we changed people's lives.
	We started a process.
	We started a ball rolling for them that's been rolling ever since.
	That we started this process for them, which many people seem to think was very, very important.
	And I think we did a good job.
	I think you and I did a good job.
	And kudos to you for your part in that.
	It was a lot of fun.
	It wasn't 24-7.
	It was more like 25-8.
	It was like, I mean, it was nonstop.
	It really was.
	And for anyone listening to this now, watching this now, who are happy to hear Kerry and myself talking again, maybe this won't be the last time, and I do want to thank anyone here who might be remotely interested in anything I have to say.
	My email is bill at projectavalon.net.
	Bill, simply my name.
	At ProjectAvalon.net and ProjectAvalon.net is where you can get hold of the Project Avalon Forum.
	We're a wonderful community.
	And Kerry, just before I sign off, kudos to you for all your work, for your dedication, for your incredible perseverance over these years in continuing to do this work.
	And it's very, very important and you've been a cornerstone in everything that Is out there on the net at the moment in terms of what the truth really may be in the world.
	So thank you for your service.
	Let's make this a tribute to yourself as well.
	And now I'm going to say goodbye to everyone.
	I'm going to sign off right now.
	Okay?
	All right.
	Thank you so much, Bill.
	And also the same to you.
	Thank you for your service to humanity.
	And I think it was a great service.
	And I hope that it can continue for both of us as long as we're here on the planet at any rate and possibly off planet as well.
	So take care.
	Thank you again for joining me today in this loving tribute to Bob Dean.
	Kerry, thank you so much.
	I'm going to sign off right now and I'll let you close out the show.
	All right, thank you.
	We'll catch up later.
	All right, bye-bye.
	Okay, so that was Bill Ryan, obviously, and it's been a tribute to Bob Dean and this is not the only tribute.
	I'm sure that there will be other radio shows going on tonight and ongoing and Certainly, Marsha will be invited to come on the show and to share her own, you know, knowledge and experiences with Bob and anything she would like.
	So that will be obviously an open invitation to her.
	And again, her website is beyondzebra.net.
	I think you can write to her there on that website as well.
	If you'd like to contact her directly to give your condolences, I suggest that you do that.
	So thanks everyone for watching and listening.
	I guess this has been going for a while.
	I'm looking at the time over there.
	And so I'm going to close this down just in hopes that YouTube will have no problem saving it.
	And so Thanks again for watching, and we'll be back.
	And if anyone does want to talk about Bob Dean and was not able to reach me during this time, I'll be happy to make the effort and bring people on at any points during the week.
	This can be thought of as a time of mourning, however you wish to mourn, for this wonderful soul who has been with us for quite some time here on Earth and now is journeying on his way.
	And I'm sure that he will be grateful to all the love and thanks that he is receiving from your hearts to his at this time.
	So thank you again for watching and good day and have a good night.

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