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Aug. 17, 2018 - Project Camelot

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JOHN DESOUZA : EX-FBI SPECIAL AGENT RE PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES

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	Hi everyone, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot, and getting a late start and getting a late start today because we had to switch over computers
	I don't know what's going on with my iMac, but anyway, it's rebooting and all that stuff.
	So, great to be here today.
	We've got a very excellent guest today, John D'Souza.
	He's a former FBI Special Agent for 25 years.
	He's joining us here.
	I'm going to switch screens to bring him on the screen here.
	John, it's great to see you.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing great, Kerry.
	I'm so happy to be here with you on Project Camelot TV. It's so nice to be with you again and with your wonderful audience.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	Great.
	Okay.
	Now I'm going to hope that I'm going to turn your volume up just a little bit, just a little quiet.
	Okay.
	So I have been reading your book, Clear Hears, and I think you're really wonderful, a wonderful writer.
	So I just want to give you a shout out in that regard because I think it's wonderful.
	Very nice for you to, for people to actually read somebody who has something to say, but also is a good writer.
	So you're doing a very nice job over there.
	And I think, you know, this is a fascinating topic, of course, as you know it is.
	And so I want to delve into all of that.
	But first, what we want to do is give you an introduction that's a little more elaborate than the one I just gave you.
	And so why don't you go ahead?
	Yes, I'm John D'Souza, the X-Man.
	I was an FBI agent for over 25 years, working in government, working in national security matters, and also some cases on the paranormal that I had during the stretch of my career as well.
	Am I sounding okay?
	You are.
	I'm just trying to get something off the screen there that was popping up on the...
	It's very strange.
	Okay, go ahead.
	And I worked a lot of counter-terrorism cases.
	Terrorism cases are pretty high-profile, well-known.
	Unabomber case, up to and including 9-11.
	And many others as well.
	But like I said, I was also, during that time, I also worked cases that had to do with ufology and paranormal.
	And so that's how I got the name X-Men, which is modeled after the X-Files.
	X-Files on television.
	As opposed to having special powers?
	A show that was on during the 90s, yeah.
	As opposed to having special powers.
	Yes.
	Although I do have those also, but I don't know if I'll demonstrate those today.
	And...
	Also, I wanted to tell you, Carrie, with certain audiences like yours and Clyde Lewis's as well and certain shows, I noticed that I have to address governmental or current events, things that are going on for the audiences that you guys have.
	So anything that you've got for me in those areas, I'm very happy to very openly Talk, discuss those and give my my opinions on those based on what my experience is.
	All right.
	Very good.
	Well, at this moment, what I want to do is is simply ask you to talk a little bit about your mother and I hope that's alright with you.
	And you wrote about her in your book, Clear Hearers.
	And I think she had quite a big impact on you.
	Because we're just going to dive in here to kind of the deepest part of the pool and ask you to kind of describe her psychic abilities and how they, in a sense...
	We're brushed off on you, if you want to call it that.
	Sure.
	My mother was a very powerful psychic, not a willing one.
	She was a person that had a great deal of psychic abilities, but it was not something that she sought out or pursued in any way.
	And so because of that, during my experiences as a teenager growing up in my family, where we had a lot of clear hearing experiences, she was able to help me with those and help me to understand what those are.
	Because my book, The Clear Hearers, is about an ability.
	It is, like you said, a power, an ability that people have.
	But because of the way the world is set up, they will always try to make us believe that our abilities are actually medical conditions.
	And so that's the reason for the confusion between clear hearing and voice hearing, which is a medical condition.
	Clear hearing is the ability to hear a very strong, clear voice of guidance, voice of authority that comes to people at times of crisis, times of when terrible things are happening, or even that can even save their lives when their lives are in danger.
	That's what clear hearing is.
	And it's an ancient ability that goes back and is actually named after Joan of Arc from France, the 14, 15-year-old girl who was picked by the spiritual powers to save France in the 14th century when France was basically hanging by a thread And was just about to go out of existence.
	It was 90% conquered by the English.
	And it was just about to go out of existence.
	And at the last minute, basically, these spiritual powers came forward with this clear voice of authority that came to Joan of Arc and told her she had been selected to save the country of France through a very unlikely bunch of conditions that happened right after that.
	And she described the voice as the voice of Mother Mary.
	The mother of Christ.
	She said that's what it was.
	But there's been many other historical clear hearers that describe the voice in many other ways.
	So my book, The Clear Hearers, is a review of my own family history.
	We had those amazing experiences, miraculous experiences.
	And then also historical figures throughout history that have lived that also had those same exact experiences with the great voice of authority that comes to them and basically changes history at certain times.
	And that's what my mother was able to help me with growing up, to understand what clear hearing is and what it really is.
	What it really was and how it would come and help us at times of crisis.
	Okay.
	Now, just for the sake of the audience, because some people are what's called clairaudient.
	That means they can hear a voice, but it is a telepathic voice.
	And I myself am clairaudient at times, and I also have the inner voice as well, and am a clear hearer, if you want to call it that.
	But I think that there might be some confusion about the two, and I don't know if you yourself are a clear audience or not.
	It also involves, and so does clear hearing in my view, especially the larger voice.
	You refer to it as the larger voice in your book anyway.
	And what you appear to do is almost in a sense...
	Leave your body.
	Some people would think of it as remote viewing or remote, you know, transferring, actually moving from one, teleporting almost from one place to another and seeing the future as it might be or is.
	And that's also a discrepancy because in your case it appears that you're shown a possible future If you go down a road and instead choose another road, I myself have seen the future and then, you know, lived long enough to see it happen.
	Some of these things are good things, some are not, in my view, but, you know, it is the way of the world.
	So this is the kind of thing that we're talking about, but it's fairly involved.
	So maybe you could kind of get into the different aspects of this from your point of view.
	Sure.
	Clear hearing is actually not...
	Clear hearing is a voice that comes to you, a voice of authority, but it is not really physical.
	It is not coming in through the ears.
	It actually comes to you, like you said, telepathically.
	It comes to you telepathically, but yet it's something more than that because all of these clear hearing experiences are like being knocked over by a By a sonic cannon, it just comes to you in waves, sometimes from the back of the head, sometimes the voice seems to come from your own solar plexus.
	It comes from everywhere.
	It seems to come from everywhere sometimes, this great voice that comes to people.
	And that's one of its distinguishing factors, because it is not like voice hearing, which often comes in through the ears in a conventional manner.
	Maybe you are not familiar with clear audience.
	Maybe you don't consider yourself a clear audience.
	See, if you've never done it, if you've never had it, then you can't really describe it.
	Now, that is different than, as you say, a voice coming.
	It's not coming in the ears.
	In a sense, it could be seen as, as I say, a precog ability.
	In other words, you go forward slightly in time and you hear the voice and then maybe time passes and then the thing happens in front of you and the person says whatever it is.
	So it's a weird kind of...
	It's almost like time traveling.
	Psychic abilities are never that explainable to people that don't experience them.
	But for people who do, they also may have variations because we're all different in our abilities.
	Now, one thing I think would be valuable is also for you to describe your first experience of what you call the large voice, if you don't mind describing that event.
	Yes, the one with my dad when I was...
	I guess when you were very young, the first time you ever heard it was when you went into the snow and were told to get that one.
	Yes, my first clear hearing experience was when I was about...
	15 years old.
	I was just a little kid.
	I was just a teenager.
	And I was living with my dad and his new wife, who was very abusive towards me.
	It was just a very bad situation.
	And at one point, I had some kind of a conflict with...
	My dad's new wife.
	And I basically, I just walked out.
	I walked out.
	And this was in New York City, in a suburb of New York City, out in Queens somewhere.
	And I basically walked out, and it was the year 1977 or 78, and it happened to be the 100-year snowstorm in New York City at that time.
	It was the worst snowstorm in recorded history in New York City, and it was, I think it was like 20, 15 feet of snow dumped at one point.
	And I just was, I didn't have a, A solid plan to harm myself.
	It didn't seem to me.
	I was just in a terrible daze.
	I was just in a funk.
	And I just walked out of my dad's home.
	And I walked out and I just started walking.
	And it was in the middle of the...
	It was in the evening in this terrible, terrible snowstorm when everyone was...
	It was deserted.
	The streets were deserted.
	And I walked through this residential neighborhood to the outskirts.
	And I was just in a little light jacket and jeans.
	And I started walking through snow.
	I left the suburbs, basically.
	I just walked probably a few miles.
	And out into the middle of nowhere, there was nothing but snow everywhere.
	And I just began to freeze to death.
	And I just was freezing.
	I could feel myself stiffening up as I just kept going in this blinding snowstorm that was going on.
	And I just, at one point...
	I just pitched forward and collapsed into this mound of snow.
	And I just laid there.
	The only thing anywhere looked like there was somewhere in the distance.
	I had basically left the residential neighborhoods behind and just going into the outskirts there.
	There was nothing around except maybe there was something that looked like a public school or a prison that was in the distance, brick.
	And that was all that there was out there.
	But that was shut down.
	Everything was shut down.
	And I was starting to freeze to death.
	I could tell from what I learned later was that feeling that you're going into a wonderful sort of deep sleep.
	You're just feeling yourself drift away.
	And that was what was happening to me.
	And suddenly, I just heard, get up.
	But it was this loud, vibrating sort of thing that didn't come through the ears.
	It was like if you were standing at a concert next to one of the speakers and the bass comes out roaring at you.
	It just vibrated my bones.
	And I just kind of tried to look up at this time.
	I was stiff, but I tried to look up at what somebody was around.
	And I heard for a second time, I heard, get up!
	And I was, again, just, I was so comfortable and just feeling that wonderful numbness going through my body that just, I barely was able to wonder where was that coming from?
	And I was able to like whisper out something like, why?
	Why?
	And then the third time, almost like you're listening to, almost like it was a tape recording, I heard again, get up.
	But this time, the get up came with images.
	It was like I was lifted up out of my body because I said, again, I said, why?
	And I was lifted up out of my body, and it seemed to me like in the astral, I went to my father's home, and I was shown a scene of the reason why I should get up.
	And the scene was, I was back in my father's home, in his kitchen, and I could see my father had just received a phone call.
	And somehow, in the astral, I could tell that that phone call had just been from the police that had just told him that his son's body had just been found out in the snowdrift somewhere, and he was frozen to death.
	And my dad had put the phone down, and I could see his shoulders shaking because he was...
	And I saw a whiskey bottle, which he hadn't drunk in years.
	He stayed away from whiskey for many years.
	And so there was a bottle, and it was open, and he had...
	He had drunk from it.
	And his shoulders were shaking.
	I could tell he was crying.
	And in the back, my stepmother was pacing back and forward and shrieking on top of her lungs, saying words I had actually heard her say earlier that day.
	She was screaming out, I'm not sorry that he's gone.
	I'm not sorry he's gone.
	One bit.
	Not one bit.
	He was a no good person.
	Rotten kid.
	No good rotten kid.
	And she had actually spoken those words to me earlier that day, which had led to the big conflict that we had gone through.
	So then that was the scene I was showing.
	I could feel the warmth inside.
	Even though it was on the astral, I could feel warmth in that place where I was.
	It was And I came back into my own body and I felt heat just spread throughout my insides.
	And I think it was anger.
	It was what I felt was anger at that scene I had just watched.
	And I just got that feeling of, I can't let her get away with what she wanted.
	I can't let her get that satisfaction.
	And I just felt that anger spreading inside and it warmed me up.
	And I just, I started being able to move my fingers a little bit, my feet.
	And I'm just very painfully crawled out of that snow drift.
	And it probably took me an hour to get back to my dad's home, walking, shuffling as best I could.
	And I was hospitalized later that day, and it turned out I didn't lose any extremities, thank goodness.
	And that was my first experience with the great voice that comes and helps you.
	And I explained it to My mom, he was no one I could tell about this, except my mom, who I already had spoken to about paranormal things.
	And my mom, the first thing she said to me was, well, did it come in through your ears?
	Or did it come in from somewhere else?
	And that's when I knew, she knew what I was talking about.
	And that was my mom.
	Okay, so for people that are listening, can you also talk about your experiences with what you call, because it's interesting, I think it's interesting, that you actually discriminate.
	There's two different kinds of voices going on there.
	And talk a little bit about your experience with the quieter voice.
	One of the things I learned through study and through experiences with many people, including spiritual teachers, is that there's another voice that everyone has.
	Actually, everyone has this voice.
	It's what, it's called in the Bible, it's called the still small voice.
	The still small voice.
	And that is actually, it's actually not a voice at all.
	that is actually a prompting that is in the uh in the heart chakra inside at the middle of your body and it's sort of like a voice but it's more of a prompting and it is the the thing that creator plants in every one of us to give us that intuition of whether we're doing right or whether we shouldn't do certain thing it's the thing that is with you always always advising you It's your counselor.
	It tells you, you know, you should get on that plane that day or, you know what, you're going to get a stomach ache so that you don't get on that plane right now at all.
	And it's with us all the time.
	And it is different.
	It's completely different from the great voice that I talk about.
	But it's very, very important.
	And it's something that's still small voice, which is really just a prompting sort of thing that everyone has.
	It tends to be ignored in this noisy technological society that we have now.
	People don't really pay attention to it.
	And there's most people.
	And there's times when it's trying to reach out to you constantly.
	It's always reaching out to you all the time and offering you guidance and counseling.
	And we just need to listen to it to be able to get what it's trying to do for us certain times.
	And there's times when you're going off your path so far, so incredibly far, that the still small voice can't do anything for you anymore.
	And then sometimes that's when the great voice comes to actually redirect you and push you real hard to another direction.
	Okay.
	Now, excuse me.
	As a member of the FBI, it is interesting because you also have a law degree, I noticed, which I didn't realize.
	And that's interesting in and of itself because you've got quite a...
	You're an interesting combination of things, I guess, abilities, whatever.
	And it's like, I wonder if you...
	Have used this, these various voice, for lack of a better word, voices, inner voices, I would refer to them, in your work.
	And I know there was one incident in which it seemed to be part of your work in which someone was actually going to kill you and you got a warning.
	And this kind of ability is very vital.
	Actually, I think that We know that, for example, super soldiers are actually hired and brought on board and trained in the military who have psychic abilities such as this because it's actually very invaluable to keeping them alive and on the battlefield.
	So, do you want to describe maybe or talk about that encounter and whether or not you've had other ones that maybe aren't in the book or whatever you'd like?
	Well, one of the things about the great voice that I talk about in The Clear Heroes is that it's not just a voice.
	It is from this great source that comes to you that has the ability to do more than just talk at you.
	It also has the ability to affect people.
	The physical to affect the physical to affect the spiritual sometimes, like what I was talking about, about being lifted out of the body into the astral to be shown something.
	So it can affect the spiritual, but it can also affect the physical world.
	And like I learned in the section in my book, Clearers, that's labeled your day to die, because that's what it was.
	It was my day to die, my appointed time.
	And this was an experience where I was working as an FBI agent.
	I was developing a source, an informant, against the jihadi community when I was working counterterrorism.
	And it was an individual who was a very sincere individual who was against terrorism and against And he was a very, very gregarious, interesting individual.
	But he had spent his whole life in the Soviet Union republics, in the republics of the...
	Soviet Union, one of the Istans, one of those Istan countries.
	So that meant I had to send out checks on him that had to go out to overseas, that had to be done through the State Department and CIA, which is unavoidable.
	I had to do the checks that way because most of his life had been spent in those areas.
	And those checks take a long time.
	So I was in the preliminary, preliminary stages of interviewing this individual time and time again, meeting him at his place of business.
	He had this big front.
	I call it a front because it wasn't an operating business.
	It was all desks in this area.
	And it was empty desks.
	And his real business was done in the back on his cell phone.
	And what that business was, I didn't know.
	So I would come visit him at this storefront that had a bunch of desks in front of it.
	There was some massage equipment somewhere on one side of the facility.
	It was a very large, it was a pretty large facility.
	And I would come in, and one time I came in through the double doors, the front, and the main desk I usually saw him standing at, he was in the back as he usually is on the cell phone, and I called him Cartos, Cartos.
	And I said, and this one time, Kartos told me, okay, I'll be with you and just hang out there in the front for a while.
	So I went to the desk where he usually, I see him hanging out, and the only desk that has anything in it And there's a wall mirror so that he could see me if he comes out real fast.
	He could see what I was doing.
	So I was trying to be careful and I rifled through the desk just to get some information about it.
	Because that's the dance that we do with these informants and these whistleblowers is to try to get information, real information.
	About who they are, what they're up to, what they're doing.
	And some of it, and you can barely trust the stuff they say.
	So you have to kind of search through their stuff sometimes.
	And so I was rifling through this desk, and I found a bunch of political pictures.
	He was really into politics.
	Some of it was him with famous politicians, arm in arm.
	He loved to take pictures with them in frames.
	And then I found this, I found a What I call a kirpak.
	It was a ceremonial dagger.
	A ceremonial dagger that is very sharp and has nice designs on the handle, like some jewels and stuff like that.
	And it's a ceremonial dagger, but it is, I mean, it's functional.
	And one of the things I noticed was I looked at it and there was material on the blade that was consistent with dried blood.
	The same consistency, same sort of smell.
	So then I heard him coming out.
	I put it back.
	I closed the drawer and I ran towards the front so he wouldn't see me.
	And then I got together with him and we did our usual interview, talk, whatever you want to call it.
	And so then I was gone and I came back.
	The next week.
	And the checks, the overseas checks on him still weren't back.
	But I came back to see him the following week after that.
	And I opened up the double doors to come in the front, and he was already waiting for me.
	He was standing by the desk where I had just rifled through the week before.
	And he was standing, Kartos was standing there, and he's a short, powerful, like, Arabic man.
	He was short, but he was very powerful and thick.
	And he has a booming voice.
	Just had a booming voice.
	And he was an older man, but very powerfully built.
	Kind of like somebody who'd been doing manual labor their entire lives.
	Like heavy manual labor.
	And he stood at that desk and just looked like a big giant fire hydrant standing by that desk.
	And he yelled out to me, Oh, my friend, you're here.
	Come on in.
	So I pulled open the double doors.
	Then I Tried to go forward, and I just got this wave of sound from the back of my head that just said, do not go in there.
	And it just, and I was like, you know, you try to ignore things like that when they happen.
	But I got it a second time.
	Do not go in there.
	And this time, one of my legs went stiff.
	Stiff like a board.
	Like a straight board.
	And I was like, couldn't move it.
	I could not move it.
	And it locked up on me.
	Something that never, ever happened before or since.
	And it just locked up on me.
	And I couldn't go forward.
	Because I had every intention of ignoring that voice.
	And a third time, it said, do not go in there.
	And I pushed open the doors and Kartos was roaring at me, come on in, hurry up, come on in.
	And I, again, I tried to move forward, because my other leg seemed to move a little bit, and it couldn't.
	I couldn't do it.
	And so when the voice came the third time, I yelled out to Carlos, Carlos, I was just coming by to tell you I couldn't make it today.
	I just wanted to let you know I'll be back, but I can't make it.
	I can't come in today.
	I've got an emergency, and I've got to go.
	I'm sorry.
	And Carlos was Roaring out at me.
	No, no.
	You have to come in just for a minute.
	Just for a minute.
	Come on in.
	You've got to come in.
	It's just for a minute.
	Please.
	Just come on in.
	And I... I couldn't move, you know, the voice had just come for the third time, and I could not unlock my leg to move forward.
	And I was struggling with these double doors that were pushing me, and I said, no, I'm sorry, I can't.
	And then I looked at him, and I could see the walled mirror behind him.
	He was standing at that same desk, and he had, in the small of his back, he was holding that dagger that I had examined the week before.
	It was in his hand behind his back.
	And with the other hand, he was holding up one of those framed pictures.
	And he said, I just have to show you this thing of me.
	And he named the vice president at the time.
	And he said, I'm standing with the vice president.
	You have to see this.
	It'll just take a second.
	It'll just take a second.
	And I just told him, no.
	I'm sorry.
	Now I was a little bit...
	I was frightened because I could clearly see the knife in the small of his back being held on that walled mirror behind him.
	And I said, no, Carters, I'm leaving.
	Sorry, okay?
	And the last words I heard from him was just, he was just screaming at the top of his head, just one second, it'll just take one second!
	And the door's not scarred.
	Right.
	And now, but you actually, that saved your life?
	And then, you know, just to kind of finish the story, you actually went back and he had cleared out.
	Well, yeah, the checks came back from overseas on him.
	And he had a lot of aliases that connected to the original name that he was using.
	And one of those aliases connected back to an individual who was a hardcore terrorist who had, to his credit, he had murdered several Soviet police officers with daggers, with cutting instruments.
	So I knew that that one, that alias, connected back to Kartos.
	Right away, I knew that that was him.
	And then when I returned there with other agents later to go and grab him, the entire place was cleaned out.
	It was sanitized completely.
	Everything was gone.
	Everything had been on fake IDs.
	There wasn't even a bit of dust left in the place because it had been wiped out so thoroughly and So everything's cleaned out and I never was able to get a line on him ever again.
	All right.
	So this voice has obviously come along multiple times in your life.
	And you're not involved at this time in being an FBI agent anymore.
	But I wonder if you're also coming across times when it's still becoming apparent.
	To you, and if any of those things have to do with any, I guess you might say, paranormal events, since that's kind of where your focus is in your life at this time and the books you're writing are all about these kinds of events.
	So even though you're not in the FBI, are you encountering this voice coming to the fore in your life at times now?
	Oh yeah, I do in my own life, in my personal life, I do have experiences with the great voice and always it's to my benefit.
	And one of the things that's good to mention is that people who are clear hearers can develop that ability.
	You can develop the ability to have constant communication.
	With the great voice.
	And here's another thing.
	People who are clear hearers, when they come up on those sort of security interviews to get a job and stuff, and one of the questions they have in there is, do you hear voices?
	Somebody who's a clear hearer can answer very honestly, no, I do not.
	I never hear voices.
	Because they're asking about voices that come in through Or, like you say, clairaudience.
	That's not what clairaudience gets.
	They don't hear those vague voices murmuring from far away that just come in through the years.
	Okay, now, but you're aware of what they call the voice to skulls.
	This is a different kind.
	I don't believe voice to skull actually comes in through the ears either.
	It's electromagnetics, if I understand it correctly.
	It is something going on a lot.
	In fact, I'm going to say...
	There is instances of people in the sort of experience or field of being targeted with what you call voice to skull and other mind control devices that will also appear to be a telepathic or could even be a manifestation.
	Gray human hybrids are very notorious for manifesting this sort of thing when they want a human to do what it is they want.
	And they can show you an apparition such as Mother Mary, as they call her, or Christ, or whoever it happens to be that your realm of influence, they will show you whatever it is you can be influenced by.
	So this kind of thing goes on a lot.
	And I do want to make mention of that.
	And I've noticed that some information I got recently is that they are actually targeting some individuals right now in the UFO community in this way.
	In order to, one, imagine somewhere down the line to discredit the experiencer.
	And so this is a very crucial, you might call it a distinction, that one needs to make and be able to make on a discerning level.
	And I noticed that in your book, your mother was able to discern when a particular spirit came along and tried to impersonate some relative of hers, as I recall.
	And she was so astute that she was actually able to see through that facade.
	Maybe you want to talk about that a bit and also address what I was just talking about.
	Yes, my mother was very astute psychically, and she was able to...
	She always told me that if spirits come to you and are purporting to be whoever they are, that it's important to ask them some questions.
	Ask them some questions to see what kind of knowledge they have, if they really are who they are representing that they are.
	And so I talk about those experiences that my mother had.
	And on the voice-to-skull technology stuff, I have in my book, I have a big section in red letters that says, warning, warning, this technology is in the hands of the nations right now.
	It's not breakaway technology.
	It's actually being used by the nations.
	This voice, I think it's Scalar.
	I think it's Scalar Tech.
	That is voice-to-skull technology, and it has been used.
	It's actually been in the news.
	There was something with the Cuban mission that occurred recently where somebody, and I think this had to do with the Russians using it on them, and there was something where an embassy had to be evacuated with some kind of sonic attack on them.
	Along with microwave attack of some sort.
	Also during the Iraq war, apparently it's actually been documented that the military sent out this kind of direction to the troops, to Saddam's Right.
	And so this technology, the nations have this stuff right now, and they are using it, although probably mostly in the black world, not something that gets into the newspapers.
	So that's another reason why it's important for people to lean in to their clear hearing experiences so that you will be able to distinguish when this voice to Skulltech is ever used against you.
	You will already have had the experience of knowing what the clear hearing voice sounds like, what impression, what kind of feeling you have, you get with it, because there's always a spiritual perception component To all of these experiences and you feel it.
	You feel it as a person and you're able to tell this is something benevolent, something good, something that will help me.
	And so that component is extremely important because there is going to come a time.
	When there's going to be these psychological operations that maybe they're going to be beaming in the voice of Christ or the voice of, along with blue beam technology, you know, making us see the image of Christ in the sky or something along those lines.
	And we have to be prepared so that we don't fall for that deception when it happens, so that we will be able to tell that something is being beamed into our skulls.
	We'll be able to at least have an idea that this isn't real.
	This isn't the real deal.
	And that's very, very important.
	Absolutely.
	Now, as I was saying, you in your life right now may have experiences in which, again, this great voice, as you're calling it, is talking to you, gives you guidance or whatever.
	And I was just wondering, have you had any, let's say, life-death experiences?
	Is it always in those cases and did you have some recent ones that were associated with that voice?
	You know, I tend to see, both in my life and the life of other, even historical figures who are clear hearers, it seems to be that the first clear hearing experiences, and even regular people that I've interviewed, that I've spoken to, that I've put in my book as well, it seems like the first few experiences that they have with the great voice is always during times of their life is in danger.
	They're going to be killed.
	Incredible crisis happens.
	But if they lean into it, instead of trying to shake it off and say, okay, nothing, you know, this wasn't anything, if they lean into it, what I have found in my own life is that you can actually develop that contact with Great Voice, and you can get those experiences even during time when it's necessary.
	And during regular times, but I do notice that there does have to be some kind of component of emotional crisis whenever we're reaching out to the great voice.
	I don't know if that's good or bad, but that's just been the experience that I've seen.
	And in my own life, I've had to have that emotional component of feeling some kind of personal conflict or crisis in order to get that response that we're looking for and that help that we're looking for from the great boys.
	But you didn't quite answer the question, so I'm just going to delve in a little deeper.
	So have you had any instances as you've gotten into this sort of new line of work, if you want to call it that, I don't know how long, how many years you consider you've Oh, no, not life experiences.
	Not that.
	Just problems and conflicts that come up in ordinary life that would prompt me to seek guidance and seek help from a higher power.
	So I have workshops now, and even the last quarter of my book, I try to teach what are the ingredients that a person needs To be able to reach out to the great voice and to get that assistance during ordinary life, during regular life, when your life's not in danger.
	Okay, so in terms of the other investigations you do into the paranormal, and you also are looking into...
	I heard an interview you did with, I'm afraid I don't remember the person's name, but you were talking about some, I thought it was fairly recent investigations into the NASCA aliens, I call them the NASCA aliens, that story in NASCA, Peru.
	And I'm wondering if you want to share some of that, some of your explorations in that area and maybe how, if your great voice or if your inner voice has been helping guide you along that way.
	Well, with the Nazca Peru mummies that came out, and with Gaia TV, you know, a lot of people have a lot of strong feelings about that and so forth, but I'm an ambassador for Gaia TV. That's some kind of a thing that they made up.
	It just means that I have an association with Gaia TV where we share resources sometimes and they will look at me to see if they want to do a show with me.
	That's about it.
	But I can tell you that I was at Gaia with, and I saw you do some talk about this a little bit on an interview with the remote viewer, the young man who's the remote viewer.
	Okay, yes.
	And what happened to me was I was over at Gaia TV and they were getting ready to launch this project with the mummies and finding out whether the mummies, especially Maria, the first one, a Maria creature, and people can just...
	The many, many pictures of this Maria creature.
	It was a real creature.
	It was a real entity.
	The x-rays showed that.
	But it was covered by this sort of plaster material.
	But it was clearly, I mean, to me, it appeared to be clearly a non-human creature.
	And a lot of people attacked the three fingers and three toes as being completely fake, but they didn't provide samples or tell us where the three fingers and three toes came from then.
	So that was a thing that came up right away.
	But one of the things when they were starting this project at Gaia TV to show the mummies was that they needed somebody to be on this investigation who was Hispanic, who could speak Spanish, and had some connection to the Latin, and who was a real investigator, like a real investigator.
	And so I suggested myself, of course, I said I should be part of this thing.
	And the leadership at Gaiti said, no, we're getting Jaime.
	We're getting, that's going to be, and almost all of the executive staff, the people who really wanted to get to the truth of this thing, they all said to the leadership, well, you know, Jaime's had a lot of questionable projects that he's been on in the past.
	Put him on this, then it's going to basically make the whole thing look like it's a fraud, no matter what the DNA tests come back as.
	No matter what happens with the DNA testing, it's all going to look like fraud.
	And the leadership said, no, I don't care.
	Said, I don't care.
	We're going to put Jaime on it from the beginning, no matter what.
	So when that happened, As an investigator, the producers and all the people, the great people that worked there, like Jay Wiedner, they had to still go ahead and try to find the truth on these Nazca mummies the best they could.
	But what I'm saying is the whole thing was rigged against them right from the beginning.
	And they never had the chance on this.
	And that was because, and one of the factors on that is because the laboratories were never going to give them the truth.
	Never.
	They weren't going to do it.
	And to guard against that, they actually used like almost a dozen laboratories in this testing.
	They sent out the DNA samples.
	After the mitochondrial was done, they went for the nuclear, the atomic testing with the Almost a dozen laboratories.
	Because they figured if one or two laboratories fakes it, you know, they'll still get some real results, true results from some of the labs.
	Well, I told them that, I told them right away, they weren't going to get real results from any of the laboratories.
	Okay, but how did you know that?
	How did you know that?
	Because I know that these laboratories, because I've had experience with these laboratories, and I know that they need to be licensed every year.
	And if any of those laboratories...
	Tell, give forward findings that they have found a new non-human species that doesn't fit into the scientific paradigm, that lab will lose its license.
	So that I know, I personally know from my own experience in the past.
	And so I told Jay and I told the The staff there, that they were not going to get true results.
	And sure enough, every single one of those labs came back with findings that the specimens, especially the first one, Maria, was completely human.
	No explanation on the appearances, no explanation on three fingers, three toes.
	They just said, oh, some of the other labs went with, oh, all the DNA is too degraded for us to give any meaningful examination, any meaningful results.
	So, basically, none of the labs came forward with anything real.
	And they don't show their testing.
	It would be a very easy thing to post on the internet the nuclear testing, the atomic testing, which is the deep, deep testing DNA pairing.
	They could easily post that, but they won't because the testing itself doesn't line up with that little two-page conclusion that they type up that just says, oh, it's totally human.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's all human.
	That's all it is.
	Right.
	And what I have found out in other investigations, like especially the Atacama mummy out of the Atacama Desert in northern Chile, what I have found out is that Laboratories do this on a regular basis, along with scientific authorities.
	This Otakama case, though, has really blown a hole in the universe because it has shown exactly how the fraud works.
	every step of the fraud and how scientific mainstream authorities are working hand in hand with fake news and they and they take hands together to deceive all of us every single one of us because they don't want us to get across the goal line of discovering new non-human species right now there that's And that's excellent.
	Now, I will say that I did quite a bit of an investigation around the Nazcom mummy and other mummies, the little, in essence, I believe, are robots.
	And these beings all had this implant, including Maria, although she had it in a little different part of her body, but nonetheless they all had it, which is a kind of an...
	Well, it indicates they are programmed and...
	In essence, a kind of an AI device, really.
	And of course, they're not revealing anything about this portion of the story.
	If I can interrupt you on that, now the scientists and the cynics, because I've noticed those implants too, on almost all of the mummies, there's those little sort of like cylinders or different shapes sometimes.
	Sometimes there's squares, little cylinders, and I notice those implants too.
	And the scientific people And the cynics seize on that to say, well, that's evidence that these things are fake.
	That somebody was putting these things together and they just left like pieces of the machinery or the pieces of the tools were left in there.
	And that's what they have said over and over.
	When these things are clearly, there's some kind of implants, like you said.
	And that's amazing.
	Well, let me say this, because I have a whistleblower who works with...
	I don't know what you want to call it.
	He's a whistleblower on the one hand, so he's telling me the truth in certain areas.
	But in certain areas, he actually goes back to work for these people.
	So behind the scenes, he was hired as a consultant on this case.
	And he told me, absolutely unequivocally, he said that they will never reveal the truth about the Nazca aliens to the people.
	And what that tells me and what that told me is in essence that there's a lot more going on there than meets the eye and that these superficial conclusions that are out there now in the mainstream and so on are wrong because they wouldn't go to all that trouble.
	They wouldn't even bring this particular guy is actually an expert on aliens.
	That's his area of expertise.
	I know it sounds wild, but that is.
	And so they wouldn't bother to bring the guy in if, in fact, we weren't dealing with another culture from off-world.
	So that's from the get-go.
	Now, it is interesting to me that I didn't know you were in the inside on Gaia during this time because that's a very interesting aspect.
	Now, I did talk.
	In my investigation to Jay Widener, who I know quite well.
	I've had him on my show a number of times, had discussions offline with him.
	Very interesting guy, very smart guy.
	I can't explain some of the latest things that I've heard going on at Gaia, but I haven't had a chance to touch base with, you know, With Jay about that.
	I imagine they've circled the horses, as they say, and that he probably isn't at liberty to really talk to me about what's going on, because they're doing a lot of lawsuits, as you know.
	But what I want to say, though, is there was a very interesting small incident that happened that had to do with the remote viewer, Brett Stewart, Who he and his team had remote viewed in advance this site and those beings.
	Got an amazing story and put that out.
	And I interviewed Brett and it's all of this.
	I wrote an article about it.
	It's all on Camelot, on my Project Camelot TV. And I sent you a link to it.
	It's also the interview itself is of course on this channel.
	But what I want to say here is that at one point that group We're correct in there.
	In fact, before iGuyen got to any of their conclusions or investigations, the remote viewers had already Targeted and found right on these things.
	Now, which gives them a track record that's fairly dependable in terms of the truth.
	Now, that doesn't mean their story is true.
	It means the particulars, the material world particulars about the beings and what was implanted and this and that is correct.
	But...
	One thing that they did do is warn Jay's team not to go into the site, that they were still active.
	And Jay said, now this is Jay told me this to myself.
	It was our conversation, but it wasn't like I couldn't tell people this, and I imagine he's told people this.
	He took their advice.
	He didn't go into the site purposely because of this.
	Now, I wondered if you'd heard that story.
	I did hear something along those lines, and I can tell you One of the reasons that most people are not allowed to go to the site where these things are recovered from, and the reason is because there are thousands of these things in that area.
	Thousands of all shapes and sizes.
	Some are reptilian.
	Some are robotic, like you said.
	They're the robotic creatures that appear sort of robotic, some with eggs that are being exposed right now.
	And there are thousands of them.
	And I can tell you, as an investigator, Kerry, here's what that means.
	That means...
	That they're not fakes.
	They're not composed.
	The reason is why?
	Because if you're a con man or a taxidermist who is putting these things together, you wouldn't put in the work to create hundreds of them or even dozens of them because you want to see the first couple sell.
	If they sell, if they make money for you, because you can't You couldn't afford to create all this capital investment for something that you don't know if it's going to work or not.
	You'd have to create a few and then sell them, get a successful return, and then, yeah, okay, let's make more.
	Let's make more of them.
	So that's a big clue that tells you these things.
	They're real.
	Where did you hear this piece of...
	Information, because I hadn't heard that.
	You know, it does make logical sense.
	And if I understand it, they were found in a cave, right?
	Yeah, in a series of caves.
	All right, so you're saying there are more caves and more of these beings found.
	And they're all sizes and sizes.
	Many thousands of them.
	But I can't say where I was told that.
	Do you have a source on this?
	I can't say who they are.
	Well, obviously you can't say, but is it a human source that's given you this information?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Well, breaking news then here, because I don't think that's out there.
	Do you think that's out there?
	It's, I think it is, I mean, sort of, out there I've heard, I've seen rumors about that, but people, but the problem is that people don't really care about that because they don't understand the significance of that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, the significance I just told you.
	That makes perfect sense.
	Yeah, they don't understand, so they don't really see it as being that, yeah, there's thousands of them, so what?
	People don't understand.
	That means that they're real.
	That means that they're not a fraud.
	Like so many of these other frauds we've seen in the past where these taxidermists put together the alien fairy or the alien embryo.
	Whichever that was.
	And where they sit down and they work on this.
	Well, actually, you know, the miniature, that brings to mind the miniature being that Stephen Greer made a big deal of and then all of a sudden backed off of, if you know that case.
	And actually I was told, again by my secret source, that indeed there are little beings like that and they are visiting Earth on a regular basis.
	So I can't address that particular being that they found.
	Are you talking about the alien fairy?
	I don't know.
	It was a Greer thing.
	Stephen Greer.
	I'm sure you know who he is.
	Anyway, it was a find that he was associated with, and it was a small being.
	And then they just said, oh no, it's just a, I think they called it maybe a fetus or something.
	But it was anything but a fetus.
	They call all these things fetuses.
	That's the only thing they can come up with.
	But it is fascinating what you're saying.
	Now, there's another aspect to this which has to do with artificial intelligence and what it means.
	You see, because the reason I was interested in this particular story is that humans, if we are invaded by AI, see, you know, there's different invasion scenarios, and one of the invasion scenarios has to do with AI. And I don't know if you follow my Mark Richards interviews,
	but one of the things he said to me is that any spacefaring race will develop AI before they go into outer space.
	And so that every alien race that we're dealing with at this time I think it's true.
	I think it's true.
	Continues to develop and it's sort of AI trajectory, if you want to call it that.
	So you have like Minerva.
	Sorry, but we can have this person coming in here and I don't know how to stop this.
	Okay, I don't know what's going on here.
	Somebody's trying to join the room here, but that's actually not appropriate.
	Now, so I don't know what's going on with this window, so I might close it and reopen it, but it's not going to interrupt the program.
	It's just going to kind of go blank for a minute.
	I'll put it on my other screen.
	So just bear with me if you can stand by for that.
	So hold on.
	Okay, so if everyone will just stand by, I'm going to put this other screen on here and consider this a short break.
	Not sure what goes on with this.
	Not sure what goes on with this.
	Oh, I see you.
	Not sure what goes on with this.
	Okay, so hold on one second here.
	Are you able to get to the lock at the top of the screen?
	Yes.
	Can you lock it?
	It says, this is owned by someone, and only the owner can lock it.
	It just gave me that.
	So I can't lock it.
	It's not letting me.
	All right.
	Okay.
	It's because I'm using a different computer.
	I'll tell you what.
	Can I call you back on Skype?
	Yeah, sure.
	Sorry for this interruption.
	Sorry You You You You You You You You Okay
	Hi there.
	So sorry for this craziness.
	I don't know what's going on because somebody took possession of that room.
	I know it sounds crazy.
	So I have to, because I'm using a different computer, it wasn't recognizing me.
	And somehow someone got in between me and the room or something.
	And took it over.
	So that's why I had to do this with you.
	So I'm going to bring you on the screen here and we'll just continue this discussion.
	But what I was about to say, and I'm going to make sure that we're all cool as far as, yeah, we are on the show still.
	So we're still live.
	Basically, if this is true, my point that I was making is that this is an indication that That we are being, have been visited going back many centuries by an artificial intelligence.
	That's my point.
	An artificially intelligent group of beings that we're able to also create, in a sense, a kind of a, it's kind of an archaic version of an android, if you want to think about it, what those beings end up to be.
	That was nervous.
	Minerva is a craft, an artificially intelligent craft.
	That's exactly what happened to her civilization.
	Her civilization no longer exists and she left there and she has been, I guess, working with our military and specifically Mark Richards was one of the few pilots ever able to fly her.
	I communicated with her and now he says there are some other pilots that are able to do so as part of the secret space program.
	So, you know, regardless of what you think of my Mark Richards interviews and the information he gives, it is fascinating to think that this, again, this really interesting story about the Nazca aliens has been so locked down and so completely distorted at this point.
	And now you were talking about another case as well, and I'm wondering, can you talk a little more?
	I don't think I'm familiar with the case you were saying that exposed how the labs are lying.
	Well, yeah, because this actually is...
	Well, first let me see if I can...
	Am I able to show pictures?
	Yeah, you can share your screen on Skype.
	You know how to do that?
	No.
	You're on Skype right now, so all you do is you share your desktop.
	There's usually, I don't know if you're a PC or a Mac person.
	Mac.
	Definitely Mac.
	Alright, so on Mac, if you go to your Skype and just scroll down with the mouse, you'll see you've got a camera.
	You've got a plus sign.
	Do you see the plus sign at the bottom of the screen, the icons?
	Yes.
	You click on the plus sign and it'll say share screen at one of the This is on your window right where you're actually right close to where your face is.
	So you have to actually look at your and it's towards the bottom of the screen in Skype.
	Okay.
	I can't find it.
	You don't see a camera, a mic, a little blue camera button, a mic button, a plus sign, and a hang-up sign.
	Yes.
	Okay, if you click the plus...
	Ah, share screen, there it is.
	Yeah, share screen.
	And then click on share screen.
	And then what it gives you is an option to share...
	Like, what application?
	It'll ask you a question.
	It'll say, like, what application do you want to share and that sort of thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Let me see.
	It's telling me...
	Can I share?
	Yeah, you have to...
	First of all, you have to make sure that whatever you want to share is open on your desktop.
	So if you have a photograph, open the photograph, and then...
	Click on the share screen and inside the share screen are our choices.
	And it'll say share application.
	Yeah, I saw that before.
	But this time it's not coming up.
	Share application.
	It'll say, you know, share your desktop.
	And you can just share your desktop if that's all you can find to share.
	Or you can share and enlarge the picture to fill your desktop.
	That way people can see it.
	Oh, okay.
	Let me see.
	Okay.
	Well, let me tell you.
	Let me tell you this.
	Ah, I'm side by side now.
	Looks like I'm the host.
	Well, you're doing something with Skype that I'm not able to do.
	Maybe I have a different version than I do.
	In any case, here's what I want to tell you.
	The Atacama Mummy By the way, I'm not saying any of these things are actual aliens.
	Actually, at the beginning of the investigations, Nobody actually says that.
	Nobody says that these things are actual aliens, except for the mainstream media, which comes in and immediately labels them as supposed aliens, which is not proper to say, because nobody can say if any of these things are aliens or not, because we don't have DNA samples from aliens to match up to these things.
	So that's a very important thing to...
	That's a very important thing to factor in.
	And the Otakama was actually the mummy that was brought forward by Dr.
	Greer in 2012 in his documentary series.
	Okay, well that may be the same small mummy that I was talking about.
	Yes, it is.
	And that thing was the six-inch Mummy that came out of northern Chile, the Itakama Desert.
	And it is the thing that was the case, that little hole in the universe that exposed the greatest fraud, which is scientific mainstream fraud, in the universe.
	Peek through the little hole that was created by this case, you can see the reality that we're actually living in, which is that scientific mainstream is in a conspiracy to They only knew species, humanoid species, non-human species, because that's exactly what this thing was.
	And Dr.
	Greer made the huge mistake of trusting the sample, this little six-inch mummy, over to Stanford's science department, which promised him, promised all of us, that they would reach a true result on this thing during the lab testing.
	And they did the exact opposite.
	They actually did all the, and this is what they do in the preliminary examination of DNA testing.
	It's called the mitochondrial testing.
	They found all the correct, they were actually very truthful.
	They said, oh yeah, this looks, this is definitely not a fetus.
	It is definitely, it looks, it has 18 features that are non-human.
	It has a different number of ribs, different sizes.
	Any mutation markers, any dwarfism of any sort.
	And so they had all these factors.
	And in the preliminaries, they said, oh yeah, this is definitely not the only species.
	And that's really the only determination that we can come to.
	But then they put it in for the nuclear testing, which is the deep, deep testing that takes a couple of years.
	And right after that, in March of this year, I think it was like March 23rd of this year.
	Stanford Science Department pasted on this two-page conclusion that was not connected to any of the science on this thing, to any of the DNA testing.
	It was simply a whole cloth conclusion, as we call it in the law, that just said, oh, this thing's just a human embryo after all.
	That's it.
	That's all it said.
	And then that was picked up by all the fake news all across the planet and sent all over the planet.
	No talk about the testing.
	No talk about what else happened.
	That's it.
	Just that headline.
	It's just a human embryo after all.
	So now we see, if you pull on that thread a little bit, you see that they've done this hundreds of times.
	Using the labs, using scientific authorities, they have done this with these mummies, including the Paraca skulls that have been examined in recent years.
	Including many, many of these other, including the Nazca mummies, including many, many other mummies like this that indicate non-human species all around the Earth.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Now, I think it's really interesting that you have the background that you do, and Let me just ask you, what are the roads you're going down and are you being able to investigate?
	Are you having the freedom to investigate or are you being stopped the way you were at Gaia from joining the team when you seem like a really obvious person to have been on that team?
	Well, I wouldn't say I'm being stopped by what I'm Being is largely ignored by many of these groups that are supposedly investigating these areas.
	Right.
	And I had inquiries recently to the Stars Academy.
	Oh, no.
	Once they really found out who I really am, And what I really do, they very quietly went away and did not want me to be on that team.
	So that is one of the greatest indicators.
	You know, association charts are one of the important indicators that show you what a person really is and what they really do.
	Because you look at what's really going on with who they associate with, You look at the agencies that are funding them, that are working with them, and that really tells you what they're really up to and what they're doing.
	Because disclosing stuff...
	And then look at the fact that mainstream media, which has a truth embargo against ufology and alien visitors, people say, oh, this is, you know, the stuff they're doing with To The Stars Academy, that breaks everything open.
	But if you just look at it a little closer, you see that the truth embargo has only been lifted just a little crack, and only for this organization, not for anybody else.
	And that's absolutely true, because you don't see everyone was so happy that CNN and all the other fake news outlets were talking about ufology like it was something, and UFOs and alien visitors like it was something This is the bringing down the wall, but not really.
	Right, because they're very selective in who they're allowing to, in essence, disclose.
	And again, it's back to the same players that we all know so well and have been behind the scenes now for decades, literally decades.
	All the members of the team, aside from Tom DeLonge, have been behind the scenes, have long careers in military, in aerospace, in the sciences, you know, Hal Puthoff, and players that are behind the players as well.
	So it goes back, as you may know, of the investigations Into the aviary, what's called the Aviary Council on Foreign Relations, and so many other individuals that are really in lockstep with each other, and all about keeping humans in the dark.
	That's the end story.
	Now, whether or not, you know, I tend to be something of an optimist, and I don't know how you feel about it, but I like to think that maybe some of the members of To The Stars have some, you know, all sort of idealistic nature,
	that they actually want to see disclosure, and so they participated, you know, they threw their Their career in with this group in order to maybe help facilitate that, perhaps with good intentions, maybe limited intentions, but good ones nonetheless.
	And they are being, from what my back channel information is, is they're being sabotaged.
	So not only do we have players within there that may have good intentions and may have a good Good heart, in fact.
	But in fact, you've got members who are absolutely tasked with sabotaging their own efforts.
	So making sure that they're going to throw disinfo in with it so that, you know, it's always one step forward, two steps back.
	That's the way I kind of look at disclosure, which is kind of like staying in one place.
	I can't see you.
	Do you need to hit the camera?
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Well, because you were showing your desktop, it was getting very distracting to have a lot of things going on.
	So, yeah, it's okay.
	I can have my face here on the screen for you.
	But the bottom line is, as I say, so we're looking at a situation where you have a skill set to bring to this sector that I think is very valuable.
	Again, I'm wondering what areas are you going into the Nazca story still?
	Have you put that on hold?
	Are you going in other directions?
	What are you doing?
	Well, I can never let go of this mummy story.
	I have to keep promoting this, especially the Atakama Six-Inch Mummy story because it exposes so much What is going on?
	It's like we're back to the days of Galileo, where the church and the science and mainstream science are the same thing.
	And they're just, they're putting people, they're putting people, casting them out for going against the dogma of the day.
	And it's like we're back there right now.
	And so the alien mummy thing has to be, we have to keep Keep after this because Stanford Science Department is on video.
	They're on tape saying the truth about this and we have to keep pursuing that because it's connected to every other area where they're trying to keep us from getting across the goal line and knowing that these things are real.
	So yeah, but other than that though, I am continuing to try to teach investigative methods I am studying X-Man Academy that I am trying to use in order to teach people real investigative methods, ones that the FBI has used for over 100 years, back when the FBI was actually an investigative body, which hasn't been for a long time now.
	That they became a political body.
	And so I want to teach these things because we are being gaslighted.
	We are being gaslighted by mainstream authorities, by fake news, by scientific mainstream.
	And they are creating a version of the world where they keep us.
	They keep us corralled in this false reality where nothing is real, nothing is true.
	Everything paranormal is a fraud.
	And we need to get out of that.
	That's so important.
	Absolutely.
	Now, I wonder, because you sort of alluded to the politicization of what is in essence the FBI and how it's become such a political body and, you know, the whole...
	The whole takedown of Mueller, etc., and so on.
	I don't know what your situation is, where you can disclose, where you can't.
	Are you able to address some of these things that are happening within the FBI? Do you have former friends or current friends that are disclosing to you some of their feelings about what has happened to their agency?
	The agency has been destroyed, basically.
	It's been taken off of its mission, which was an investigative mission to actually investigate terrorism and criminal activities, real criminal activities, not made-up ones.
	And it's been completely taken off of that for many years.
	In 2013, there was an individual who was put in charge of the FBI named James Cohn.
	And as soon as they brought him forward, It took about a 10-minute internet search to find out what that individual had been up to the previous 20 years.
	And it wasn't a secret.
	None of it was a secret.
	He spent the previous 20 years in government and in certain places in government.
	And everywhere that he was in government, investigations against the Clintons.
	Suddenly disappeared or squashed.
	That took me like 15 minutes to find out.
	So why couldn't...
	That tells you how much journalism and mainstream news is so controlled.
	Because you didn't have to be a professional journalist to find that out.
	And yet it was obvious.
	So when that person was put in charge of the FBI in 2013, that is when I retired.
	That is when I left.
	Because I knew that that was going to lead to bad consequences.
	And sure enough, he did his job.
	He did what he did.
	And the moment he took over, the FBI became completely politicized.
	He put his cronies in charge there.
	And the organization was basically perverted from the top down.
	And it was a terrible shame because 95% of the FBI is...
	Men and women who are dedicated professionals just want to do their job, and they want to do a good job.
	They're not.
	And they're highly skilled, and they're great professionals, and they just want to do their job.
	That's it.
	And, unfortunately, that leadership and the same thing happened, I guess, at the Department of Justice as well.
	The Department of Justice was completely perverted off of its mission.
	And so you have all of these people out there who are still running around for some reason.
	We are told that there are some arrests coming down the pike, you know, as they say, and I hope that may be true.
	I I'm wondering, though, if you're looking at some of the...
	Now, I have to be careful with my wording here because YouTube will ban this video if I use certain words.
	So I'm not going to use those words.
	I'm going to say, have you investigated Vegas, the shootings in Vegas?
	Do you ever...
	In other words, we've had a lot of very interesting events happen in the United States where during the time when you're not You're working for the FBI, but you still have your same skill set.
	I can't help but wonder if you investigated some of the things.
	And Vegas, of course, comes to mind because that seemed to be...
	And let me start telling you, Carrie, I'm so glad that you had your strike removed on YouTube and that YouTube decided to do the right thing and pull your strike and so you could do live streaming again.
	And that's wonderful.
	I'm so glad of that because that hasn't always been the result of other people in the truth community that's correct And so I'm really happy about that because I watch your channel closely as to millions, millions of others that follow Project Camelot so carefully.
	And so as far as Vegas, Vegas is the Vegas mass shooting that occurred out there.
	It's very cut and dry as far as I'm concerned because I looked at what occurred at Vegas And you can't even determine whether it was a psychological operation, because I don't want to say the FF word.
	I don't want to say FF because that could create something bad.
	But what was so ridiculous about the Vegas mass shooting was that they didn't even put enough, any true facts forward.
	Enough.
	For us to make a determination of, well, yeah, this is true, this is not true.
	Every single fact that they put forward was laughable and patently false on its face.
	They showed us the dead body of some guy, some guy laying on top of bullets, shell cases, on top of them.
	And it was a dead body, and the blood splatter was all wrong.
	And then they told us that guy was the shooter.
	Well, on its face, you could tell that that was a false statement.
	And then they told us, well, there's a security guard that can identify that that was the guy who was the shooter.
	Well, if you look at it closer, the security guard never saw the shooter.
	He was shot through by somebody, through a door, in the leg.
	And somehow he's a hero who has something to do with stopping the shooter?
	I don't know.
	But again, that's another false thing that was put forward that on its face is laughable.
	And then they told us that there were no other shooters except for that guy that they tried to tell us that he was the shooter.
	But yet, every police transmission that came across in the neighborhood, police transmission from real police on the ground who were not a part of this operation, every single transmission Which people can listen to the audio transmissions.
	Every one of them said multiple shooters at multiple locations.
	We're responding right now to this hotel, to that hotel, to this corner, this intersection over here.
	We got a couple of other people who've been grabbed with guns on this side.
	I've never seen it land.
	And in many casinos as well.
	And it does appear from your comments that you have done some investigation.
	Now, I do want to be careful here, and maybe we could do another...
	If you really did a great deal of investigation, glad to do a show with you, but I have to do it on another venue because they are not going to...
	Somehow it'll get tagged.
	So what I want to do here is kind of widen it a bit and ask you if...
	In light of this, I have a theory about the Vegas situation, and I believe that that was very much the closest thing to 9-11 that we've had since 9-11 on American soil, if you will.
	And I believe that there were...
	I actually...
	It's not just a belief.
	I have evidence that...
	And I have individuals who have been looking into this with evidence, finding evidence, that there was an attack there on America and that there were sides taken by various agencies, etc.
	And so one of the big crackdowns that happened on YouTube surrounded this situation.
	The whole crackdown over even talking about it came out right after that.
	Interestingly enough, and has continued since that time.
	And affected quite a number of us.
	And so you have to look at that and say, the desire to take the eyes of the world away from that situation, from looking closer, from actually seeing the various parties.
	And I'm talking, you know, going back into, you know, the Wynn operation, the MGM side of the story.
	The allusions to the Mandalay Bay dragons, the dragons that are shikars, that are statues in front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel that indicate a certain faction, probably British, you know, at root, and so on.
	So, in other words, that was a huge operation that was also political.
	It may have also been financial.
	Money may have been moved.
	There were some indications of that, going casino to casino.
	So have you pulled back and looked at that bigger picture, stepping away from, you know, the nuts and bolts of who shot who and so on?
	Yeah, I've gotten several indications of what might really have gone on that day.
	Some people indicate that there was involvement by two At war with each other through their security forces and something got out of hand.
	So there's many, but that's where it's at.
	We don't have hard facts on that.
	That's why Vegas is very difficult for anyone to say that they're doing an investigation on Vegas because this is the first incident where In order to do an investigation, you need a crime scene, you need a body, you need some purported facts in order to say, okay, I'm investigating this, and this fact was not true, this fact was.
	In Vegas, you can't even do that because everything was fake.
	There was not a single real fact put forward by the authorities.
	Everything that they said was going right from the crime scene to the body of the guy.
	Yes, I agree with you.
	Okay, well then, thank you for that.
	Now I'm going to actually change the subject with you because we're actually running out of time.
	It's been fascinating to talk with you, but I also want to Make sure that we cover all the different aspects.
	So you have a couple of other books out.
	You've done other investigations.
	Can you talk a little bit about sort of what other paranormal areas have you investigated and maybe recommend for people who want to understand what book of yours should they buy and so on and so forth?
	Sure.
	My first book, The Power of Investigators, is about many famous cases of law enforcement that have involved paranormal elements.
	Some of the cases were people think they know.
	They know what they were.
	Like the Richard Jewell case, the Olympic Park bomber in Atlanta, Georgia.
	And what really went on with that Or he was someone who had visions or something that gave him the ability to see inside a giant hiking bag, a five-foot hiking bag that was left on a sidewalk in the middle of the Olympic Park in Atlanta, Georgia.
	And somehow he had a real determination of what was inside that bag.
	And that was given to him supernaturally.
	But the investigators on the ground, unfortunately, When that bag blew up, when it blew up and killed, I think it killed one individual, if Richard Jewell had not done what he did, it would have killed about 100 individuals.
	That's the thing that people, that's one of the things people don't know.
	And they also don't know that because I was not the investigator on the ground that day, you had regular investigators who only see the physical.
	And because of that, their conclusion was that Richard Jewell Only knew that there was a bomb in there because he was the bomb.
	And that was the only conclusion they could come to because they were material-based and they had no other option in their minds.
	And so that's why he was unjustly accused.
	of being the bomber that day.
	So that's my first book, The Power of Investigators, and it has many, many instances of pretty well-known cases, some not so well-known, from across the country where paranormal abilities by investigators were actually front from across the country where paranormal abilities by investigators were actually front and center in these cases that very often save And so that's what The Power of Investigators is about.
	And my book, The Extra Dimensionals, is all about alienating the visitors, who they are, what they want from us, why the instances of abductions, contact cases, observation cases are increasing so much, and what it is they really need from us.
	That's my book, and my latest book, The Clear Errors, that we talked about today.
	And everything's available on my website, John Tamer Books, and on Amazon, of course, on Amazon, wherever books are sold out.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	And then I guess I'm trying to see what time we've got here just to make sure.
	Now, I do have a chat room if I can find it.
	Yeah, it's over here.
	Because we had to shuffle around some windows during the show here.
	So it does look like I do want to give people a chance to ask you questions.
	If you don't mind, you know, we have a little bit of time here.
	Absolutely.
	I try to keep my shows around under two hours.
	I think we started late, so we should be able to go a little bit longer here.
	So if you bear with me, I'm going to see if I can get this to show up.
	So if you have a question for John, then what I would like is if you would put it in all caps, and I'm going to try to get this...
	My computer's kind of freaking out.
	I don't know why, but...
	Hold on one second.
	This is not the normal.
	So just bear with me one minute here while I try to get this thing to come up properly.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Uh...
	So if you have a question, as I say, could you put your questions in now, even though you might have asked questions along the way, because the chat has rolled by quite rapidly.
	I guess a lot of people are really interested in what you're having to say.
	And so I'm going to try to grab a question while this thing scrolls by me at, I don't know, 50 miles an hour.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	So only, please, if you're talking to each other or whatever, if you could slow down the comments to each other and allow only questions now for our guests, that would be very helpful.
	Oh, people are bringing up Trump, QAnon.
	Do you have any, I'll just, because they're going by too fast even.
	QAnon is very important, Carrie.
	Yes.
	QAnon is real.
	Is real.
	Where we go one, we go all.
	And we are all in the middle of a war.
	It is a global war, even though it's being managed by No matter who you are, no matter how neutral you think you are, or you think it doesn't matter to your life, everyone is going to be touched by this war.
	And it is the war that some people call it the White Hats against the Cabal.
	Or, you know, I call it, it is the nationalist populist forces of the world.
	And this includes Trump.
	This includes Putin.
	This includes many, many other national leaders around the world.
	Because this is not just about Trump.
	This is about so much more.
	And everywhere, these nationalist populist leaders who are rebelling, they're in a full rebellion against the global elites that have managed these central banking dynasties, that have managed the world for so long, and who give the nations their marching orders to tell that have managed the world for so long, and who give the nations their And this war is massive.
	And we see the effects of it every time one of us receives a strike on these social platforms or we are taken down off these social platforms.
	Because those are the globalists fighting back, trying to take control back of the narrative and trying to stop us from getting the truth out to each other.
	I think people would like to know whether or not In your capacity, you get people coming up to you, giving you back-channel information, such as information about the arrests or anything else going on currently here in America.
	To get a heads up in these ways, or you're also quite a psychic in certain ways.
	Unconventional ways, I have to say, by your description in your book anyway.
	So I don't know if that brings you this kind of information, if you go out and get information, and so on.
	So do you have anything to say on that?
	Yeah, that general information that I receive from time to time is just...
	It's just fill-in information on the unseen things that already verify what most people know.
	I can give you an example.
	For instance, I'll get information from people inside the organization that when Comey was still at the FBI, things would happen like Field agents, real field agents, would come up into the seventh floor, into the building, seventh floor, and they would pelt the door of his offices with tomatoes and rotten fruit every morning.
	They would break in before, while the cameras were still turned off, and they would pelt rotten fruit against the door of his office because it was at the time he was going through that exonerating Hillary thing.
	No, I take it back.
	He was going through sabotaging the investigation of Hillary, where they were trying to actually, the real FBI agents were trying to still investigate her, investigate all of the crimes that she's done, and he was basically stopping it.
	He was stopping it cold, and that would create a lot of resentment against him from real agents, not his cronies, but real agents, and they absolutely despise him.
	So that's just an example of A little thing that I always get details like that from people.
	But it's just verifying what people kind of already know, that he was very despised in the organization by real agents, real people who actually work in the organization.
	Okay, now let me ask you this, because this is kind of interesting.
	There has always been a war between the CIA and the FBI. And while being an agent, you were an agent, again, for 25 years, if I understand it correctly.
	And that's quite a long time.
	So you must have come up against, in your investigations, where investigations would be taken over by the CIA, taken away out of your purview, and also where the FBI actually...
	The line seems to have gotten very hazy, and the FBI ends up investigating things overseas as well.
	And the reason I'm bringing this up is recently Trump went to England, and one of his secret bodyguards, his bodyguard, was given a heart attack.
	The information is by probably an electronic or pulse weapon or however they do it.
	And died.
	And the idea there was that it possibly was aimed to hit Trump, but that this person made it slowly into what was in essence, I guess, the golf shed or whatever when this was at a golf course.
	And Trump was already ahead of him, so this person got hit and not Trump.
	Now, I don't know if that's accurate.
	That's the information I've gotten and that's out there.
	Did you, as an FBI... Well, first of all, let me tell you the information I got was some sort of directed energy weapon that was supposed to be meant for Trump or for someone in his inner staff.
	And that, unfortunately, the Secret Service, very brave, loyal individuals, Healthy, athletic individual.
	That's how he died.
	And that's all I got on that.
	And it's tragic.
	It's tragic.
	But there's also many other attacks on President Trump from the cabal that are kept quiet.
	He doesn't want to give them publicity when they come close to attacking him because they're desperate.
	They're absolutely desperate, and they don't know what to do at this point because they're so cornered, and they have so many forces coming against them, not just Trump, but many other national leaders that are lending their aid and their resources to this attack, to this war against the cabal to try to undo them.
	And so that's something that's going to be continuing.
	And Trump has so many things protecting him, even on a spiritual level, that I believe he will continue to be safe, even despite all these close calls, attacks on Air Force One that have occurred, that again, he doesn't want to give publicity to them.
	He doesn't want that to get out.
	But these things that we have seen, and they're going to continue.
	And what was the second part of your question, everyone?
	The CIA interference, as you want to call it that, and you could address the NSA or any other agencies that kind of come up against the FBI and interference or crossing lines between various agencies.
	You know, the FBI in general has a very, well, I'm talking about the real FBI, the investigators.
	They have a very disdainful outlook towards the CIA because it's an organization that's based on deception.
	That's their reason for existing, the deception.
	And the values that they have tend to be globalist values.
	A lot of them, especially their leadership, they don't consider themselves Americans.
	They consider themselves citizens of the world.
	And so their view, their filter for everything is with that in mind.
	And if anybody wants to know how malevolent an organization can become, all you've got to do is look at Northwoods, the Northwoods Operation.
	Operation Northwood.
	Go look that up and you'll see how hideous this organization can be.
	You did an interview with, what's his name, Robert David?
	Robert David Steele?
	Steele is the last name.
	Yes, Steele.
	And, you know, I don't, I'm not a promoter of Robert David Steele at all, but It should be abolished in the interests of protecting humanity and decency, because very few organizations have done so much evil against their own population as this organization.
	And like I said, if anybody has an argument with that, just look up Northwoods, Operation Northwoods, and see what they did, see what they tried to do, and many other things that they were involved.
	MKUltra, And many other things.
	The development of the MKUltra program.
	And many other things.
	So anyway, that's how I feel about the CIA. So whenever I see...
	And not that the FBI has...
	The FBI has made plenty of mistakes.
	That's for sure.
	Absolutely.
	But not anything like what the CIA does on a regular basis.
	So I think that's not even arguable.
	So whenever I see Someone like the To The Stars Academy, using these former high officials at the CIA, supposedly former, high officials at the CIA, and saying, oh, how great it is to have these guys.
	You know, it just gives me a great audience.
	Okay.
	So I guess that we should be closing this down here, and I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.
	It's been a lot of fun.
	You're a fascinating guy.
	You've done some great work.
	I just want to give you the platform here to maybe say anything you'd like to say parting words to the audience and then love to have you back in the future and delve into some of your investigations.
	Thank you, Terry.
	Parting words, the message I always give to people is that we need to always keep reaching out to the young people who are not They're not already inculcated.
	They're free from this mindset of the old world that the nightly news is telling us the truth that mainstream authorities are actually real and what they tell us is actually true.
	They're still not acclimated to that.
	And so I'm finding that young people are so easy to reach out to and to teach them that this paradigm that they're trying to imprison us in It's not really genuine.
	It really isn't.
	And we need to break out of it.
	And I'm always amazed people, kids, like even people under 30, they're just like, yeah, oh yeah, we know that that's fake.
	Yeah, we know that NASA just made that announcement about Underground Lake on Mars.
	And we know that it's a fake because they knew about that in 2015 and they didn't announce it then.
	So therefore, There's some kind of hidden agenda behind announcing it now.
	And like, it's amazing how young people just pick up on this right away.
	So we need to always concentrate and focus because to change the world, young people are always the necessary ingredient in changing the way that society is.
	So we need to push forward on that always, always.
	And that's always the message that I take everywhere I go.
	Thank you.
	Well, that's wonderful advice and I completely agree with you.
	I think young people are really very, very much more hip than they're given credit for, and they're very intuitive, naturally intuitive, and they can tell a lie a mile away very often.
	So I think that's a blessing that we have, that the children coming up today do have some very excellent psychic abilities, helping them to discern what's going on, really.
	All right.
	Well, thank you again for coming on the show.
	And we'll do this again, all right, in the near future.
	And so keep me informed about what you're investigating.
	If you have something you want to talk about that you think is important, that you've found some good evidence on and whatever it is, please do contact me.
	Will do, Carrie.
	Thank you so much.
	Awesome being with you.
	Okay, excellent.
	So I'm going to close that down and go back to this other screen.
	It's fascinating talking to John, I have to say, and lots of fun as well.
	He's got so many sides to his story and to the things that he's chosen to investigate.
	Obviously, the paranormal, psychic abilities, and being a former FBI agent for 25 years.
	That's quite a background to put all that together.
	So what I want to do here is I'm just going to close this down.
	I do want to say that I have some shows coming next week.
	We'll see who's going to show up.
	And I don't have the names other than I had Joseph Thames, who was going to talk about quantum calculus on Friday and the new quantum computers, you know, and how that can work together.
	So, and how IBM, he's kind of a, you might call him an old-timer.
	And he, I met him in person, actually, at the Yelm Conference.
	And he's a fascinating guy, very brilliant.
	And he's talking about how IBM changed the course of history and investigations on the scientific level by cutting back on the computing ability to do mathematics and forcing the computer industry, I guess, in a certain direction and not in another one.
	Which isn't to say that the kind of investigation he's talking about isn't being done or mathematics, etc., But it doesn't seem, at least according to his story, to have permeated our space program, or at least ostensibly back in the days of Apollo, etc., it started to go offline.
	So that's an interesting angle on things, and that'll be a fascinating guess next Friday the 24th.
	And other than that, I do want to make a mention here that I've gotten some back-channel information of a UFO... Experiencer who's being messed with mentally and by the grays and given certain so-called visions.
	This kind of thing is common.
	We did talk about it briefly with John D'Souza here today.
	Just want to say that I've gotten back channel information.
	This is going on.
	It harks back to the days of Paul Benowitz.
	There are other individuals who have, you know, they claim various stories, etc., etc.
	And some of this may be, they may be product of mind control, mind implants, etc.
	And aliens are perfectly capable of doing this as well as humans.
	So you have, you sort of have attacks from more than one angle if you want to look at it like that.
	And I think it's important to stay vigilant.
	It's important to maybe not take yourself quite so seriously and realize that the people you consider to be friends, especially if they have an alphabet agency behind them, may be using you for certain purposes.
	And so I just want to send out kind of a warning and a heads up to some people.
	That just because you think you see an apparition and it happens to be the Virgin Mary or Jesus or whoever it looks like, that this can be a hologram.
	It can also be faked in various ways, even just sent an image to your mind.
	Telepathically, also by a remote viewer, remote influencer.
	So you can have a human component.
	You can have an alien component.
	The Greys are famous for this.
	And they have an agenda behind why they would do this to you and mislead you.
	So just want people to stay awake and aware and stay critical of your own You know, abilities, test them, verify that you're right, and so on.
	And do listen to those inner voices, as John has just talked about in depth.
	And I recommend his book, Clear Hearers.
	It's a very well written, great story, and a great insight and investigation into his own background and the voice that he has heard, this inner voice that warns one and keeps one alive while you're here on the planet.
	You could say it comes from your higher self.
	You could say it comes from the Creator.
	You can give it, you know, attribute a persona to the voice if you wish or not, however you wish to deal with it.
	So it's fascinating being alive right now, and I want to thank everyone for supporting Project Camelot, for supporting my channel, and I'm very happy to be able to broadcast again to this directly to my audience.
	So thanks again for watching and support.
	Take care.

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