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Sept. 26, 2017 - Project Camelot
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EAMONN ANSBRO: QUANTUM SUPERLUMINAL COMMUNICATIONS
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Thank you.
And today we are at the tail end of the conference which is called Ireland Awakens.
And I am here with Eamon Ansborough.
And we're going to be interviewing him for a short bit.
And he gave a very interesting presentation the other day.
So I wanted to kind of delve into some of the subjects that he was discussing and to get it from his point of view on a one-on-one interview.
Thank you.
And it's great to have you here.
So, can you share with us a little bit about your background to begin with?
Okay, I'm an astronomer and I have a number of degrees in astronomy from universities of Western Sydney and Open University in the UK and I've been specializing in solar system studies and particularly in the Etro-Kaipa belt in the outer solar system for a number of years.
So I'm involved in the observational side of it, theoretical side of it as well.
Originally, way back, I trained as a meteorologist under the Ministry of Defence in the UK. I was only a few years in that, but I felt that wasn't the route I needed to take.
So I went into optical engineering, optical physics, and I did that for about 20 years.
But then I got back into the whole astronomical community again.
So that's where I'm coming from.
Okay.
You have spent some time in your career, I don't know if you consider this not part of your career, how you look at it, but it seems investigating UFOs and the pattern of UFO visitation.
You're in Ireland, is that correct?
That's correct, yes.
Okay.
And how many years was that, from when to when, approximately?
That was 1990, up to 1999.
Alright, so around nine years.
And then you're still doing some tracking of UFOs at this time.
Is that accurate?
I've actually eased off on that now because we've spent a considerable amount of years in tracking UFOs.
And we've got a very good idea, actually, of what we're dealing with here, the dynamics behind UFOs.
And this has led into the communications.
Okay, very interesting.
Yes.
So what has led you to do this, and I don't even know exactly how to pronounce it, but the SETI effort, which is different than the conventional SETI? Yes.
The SETI area, well, originally it started in the radio area.
It was the most likely area for communications.
And that was back in 1961.
And then by the year 1990, optical SETI came into position.
I got interested in optical SETI originally because I thought that was a route that they weren't actually focusing on as a possibility of detecting some intelligence out there, so to speak.
So there's been such a wide range of parts of the electromagnetic spectrum have been applied in order to detect an ET civilization or some sort of mega structure out there or whatever, either in the radio, optical or infrared.
You know, say in the infrared for example, you're looking for infrared excesses above the ambient infrared.
So, there about 12 years ago, I was looking more for another sort of route to this in the communications, having an understanding of how ET civilizations may be operating out there, particularly when, well, based on a number of assumptions, mind you, because it's such a...
How shall I put it?
It's very much into the fringe area.
So based on assumptions like possible cooperation in the future for a civilization as it grows up, which eventually leads into stability, and then that ET civilization may expand from their own star system to other star systems on the planets, and it would be totally illogical to use the electromagnetic spectrum for your communications, and even in the travel.
In fact, it's actually impossible.
Okay, fair enough, if you're using sub-light traveling, you could use the EM spectrum for it.
But when you're going beyond the speed of light, which I suspect that may be a possibility, is that it's impossible to use the electromagnetic spectrum.
So you have to look at this in a completely different way.
So you're looking into the area of quantum mechanics, and that's the area that I started going into.
Okay, so you had a number of charts that were very, very good, and we can probably put some of the visuals in here.
But with that in mind, I know you were talking about superluminal travel.
You were also talking about the idea that they would move in space, but time would be reduced in time when they would go through a portal.
Is that correct?
That's correct, yeah.
And I thought that that diagram was quite excellent.
And I haven't really seen something like that on the web up to now, that kind of a description for superluminal travel.
And the idea that, how are you eliminating time when you go through a portal?
Like, is there any time, or do you know, are you estimating some kind of estimate?
Okay, there's a number of things here, actually.
Okay, if we take the portal side, put that to one side.
Right.
If you were to reach that point of what we call hyperspace, we're going into non-time.
So at the present time, we're physical beings with space plus time.
So if you were on the Earth here and you had the right type of spacecraft to do this, that you could accelerate right up to the point where you go into what's called hyperspace.
So you're going into a non-time.
Period.
So, the longest period of time, ironically, is actually accelerate to the speed of light.
It could be minutes, it could be hours, whatever.
It depends on the technology and everything else out there.
And likewise, when you're coming out of hyperspace, Again, the longest period of time is deceleration to your star system.
When you take that factor into consideration, that would apply maybe to some group of civilizations.
Regarding the portal, in other words, say on the Earth here now, you'd have an interdimensional portal, because there's no doubt about this, there are vortexial upsurges in different parts of the world, not just here on the Earth, but also on Mars, Jupiter, and so forth.
I'll give you examples of this.
If you take, say, Platonic solids, And you're putting a tetrahedron into the earth, inside the earth.
And this is proportional to...
Okay, so you've got the apexes of the tetrahedron.
And it just so happens if you, say, position one of the apexes on...
Okay, it's actually 19.5 degrees.
Is it?
North or south, depending on how you switch the tetrahedron, that is.
Right.
But you actually hit certain vortexial points.
So there's a very good chance that There's an interdimensional side besides this huge upswell of energy, you know, from the physical side to it.
So it's quite possible that there's an interdimensional side to it as well.
So that applies not just on the Earth, but also all the other planets as well in our solar system.
A good example of this is Monza Limbus, which is the biggest volcano on Mars, which happens to be at 19.5 degrees, based on the proportions of putting your tetrahedron inside.
Likewise, Jupiter would be the great red spot.
There'll be an upsurge there as well.
Yes, it's interesting.
Well, Richard Hoagland has emphasized the fact that there will be sort of an upsurge, as you're calling it, in that area of 19.5.
That it should have something there.
I think the face on Mars also might have that kind of, you know, connection in terms of 19.5 and also the Great Pyramid here on Earth, if I understand it correctly.
I believe so, yes.
Yeah.
And then you would probably know other places on Earth where this is the case.
I believe there are other places.
I haven't actually researched that out.
Oh, you haven't?
Okay.
I've sort of, how shall I put it, just explored up to a point and said, oh, okay, I think this might work, but I don't want to go any further in it.
I tend to do that because my main focus is the communications with extraterrestrials and civilizations.
Right.
But it's important actually to know a wide range of stuff.
Yes.
To help to be informed.
I'm sure.
So, in terms of study, can you Tell me about the clarification between those two.
There's sort of E-SETI or C-SETI, right?
And SETI? I mean, I'm not sure.
In other words, you're trying to get or you're involved with some division.
I don't know the organization at all, so I don't know how it's laid out, but I think people would be interested.
The background behind it.
SETI is the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
It actually started off back in 1961 with the first tests looking for possible signals.
SETI has been going in different forms and shapes for the last 50 years.
And then, besides the radio side, there's also the optical side as well, and also the infrared.
So there's been a number of teams working in those different areas.
Then in recent years, there's what's called METI. That's the messaging of extraterrestrial intelligence.
So there's quite a bit of interest in that area.
In fact, there's actually an organization which is a spin-off from the SETI Institute, quite independent from them, called METI International.
So they have a number of telescopes and also they can get observing time, so to speak, as they call it in astronomy, to get time actually on telescopes in order to send a message out.
There's been a number of things where there's been an upsurge in this interest, and particularly in the last four years with the Kepler mission, this telescope that's been able to detect all these planets going around other stars in the local part of our galaxy, up to 3,000 light years.
And they found 4,000 altogether as we speak now, roughly.
So when you scale that up, you're dealing with 520 billion planets, but then there's about 100 billion which are habitable.
And then they narrow it down to intelligence, and then on to maybe technology.
I've always wondered how you're arriving at these figures for saying a certain number of planets Is this within some kind of logic, you know, ratios of, in other words, percentages based on logic?
But life, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, It doesn't always follow logical lines, so these are only estimates, rough estimates, is that correct?
Very much so.
In fact, there's no history behind it at all, which makes it even worse for science.
So, it actually originated with Frank Drake back in 1961, and it's called the Drake Equation.
And it's been a very useful equation for SETI scientists ever since then and many other people.
I suppose if we didn't have that we'd be pretty lost.
I think we're still lost anyway to a certain degree because there's no history behind it.
It's not like other scientists where you'd have other sciences.
Well, you'd have a history there and you can build upon it.
There's no science behind this.
So it's been very much a fringe area in astrobiology.
And certainly up to about, say, four or five years ago, SETI would be classified as on the borders.
Yeah, because it's still not exactly...
Well, it is a science, but not exactly, because there's no history behind it.
Okay, and because science is dependent upon...
And what appears to be, as far as I can tell, material evidence at every juncture, this is equally problematic.
Yeah, and that has come about, of course, through the whole philosophical approach going back hundreds of years.
And, you know, we've had a much larger reality in life.
Back in those days, and actually even in the sciences, you know, where you had metaphysics, you know, with Newton, Kepler and all these people, and even in the arts as well, Leonardo da Vinci and so forth.
But that actually was phased out.
Without any intention at all, back in the early 1830s, so governments were investing now in institutions, particularly in Europe, and so you had a lot more technicians coming in, so the metaphysics area was sort of fading out.
So you end up with this mechanistic approach, you know, in science and medicine and all these different areas, which is unfortunate in the way, because we do have a larger reality, like, you know, The individual has a large reality.
Unfortunately, society is stuck in this box of its reality that it's created.
Okay, so that's the background with SETI. Now, what is your relationship to SETI and your sort of experiment's relationship to SETI? Okay, well I'm a member of the UK SETI Research Network.
And in that we have meetings, workshops and so forth.
I'm also involved with what's called Breakthrough Listen.
This is the initiative that was taken two years ago and considerable funding was put into it.
Which created such an upsurge in activity of taking telescope time, particularly of all the big telescopes in the world, in the radio area.
So it's very much radio, this.
I see.
You know, like with Arecibo, the big American telescope in Puerto Rico.
And then the Chinese one then in September of last year, the 500 metre.
And in the UK, there's also telescope time on the Joshua Bang telescope, the 76 metre one.
So there's a huge emphasis on the radio side.
Does the radio side have any indication of success on any level?
Well, I suppose like everything else in science, one is optimistic.
That's the general opinion within the SETIC community.
There's this optimism, like in everything in experiments.
Rather like DNA, I suppose.
When it was cracked eventually in 1952, that's sort of a whole different arena in the biological area.
So, but actually SETI's in a worse position because there's no history behind it.
There's a lot of assumptions, assumptions in biology, assumptions sociologically.
They don't know what they're going to contact, or it's going to contact it.
Okay, so, you know, this is going to be an interesting discussion from the point of view of my audience, as you can appreciate, because we assume with The witnesses I have, etc., of the evidence of what we call the secret space program, that certainly the radio efforts to contact other planets are sort of remedial at the very best, so to speak.
But what you're doing has to do with, you said, quantum mechanics?
Yes.
So can you describe how did you get onto that area?
Is the whole organization of SETI behind you, or are you just sort of an offshoot in that effort in the quantum mechanics area?
Okay, this is a very new area for SETI. Okay, it's there, not necessarily recognized because one has gone into a breakthrough which shouldn't really work.
So you have a situation that in physics you have a crisis in physics at the present time and then you have quantum mechanics.
So you have quantum mechanics out there and you have physics in a crisis.
They're not meeting each other.
However, interesting experiments have taken place in the last two years with the Chinese.
They have actually achieved, in the quantum mechanics area, this quantum entanglement in their communications using a photon from a satellite going to five receivers in the mountains of the Himalayas.
And they've achieved it again.
Others have been doing this as well on a small scale.
Now, that's quantum communications.
Now, there is quantum computers.
That's even different again, but it's still using the principles of quantum entanglement in there.
What we're doing is very similar, except...
That with some understanding of quantum mechanics and some understanding of general relativity, there's an interplay between the two of them.
So our work actually has been purely experimental, going on theories that may not work, but we have to try it out.
So it's really counter to the situation at the present time, certainly in physics.
So we see it as an interplay between the two.
It's a tool that has been fine-tuned to see if it might work, and in fact it was there about two years ago that we used two atomic clocks at two different locations.
That would be Sydney to the UK. And if you're using a smartphone, it's a third of a second to get around the Earth, because you're using the ionosphere, so you're 15,000 miles, so it's about a third of a second.
If you're dealing with the moon with your smartphone, if you're on there, it's three and a half seconds.
If you're going to the sun, it's eight and a half minutes.
In our case, we got...
We got 10 to the 5th C. In other words, 10,000 times the speed of light.
The Chinese have actually done the same.
So that was a real supporting help to know that they've achieved that as well.
So in our experiments, in which we do have a prototype, That we actually launched last year, which I have given presentations in to the scientific community, SETI. And some people have warmed to it.
Some have found it extraordinary how this could be done.
To be honest with you, we actually don't even understand how we've done it.
100%.
We've gone on hunches, possibly that we should do it this way.
But we're in an area that's actually gone beyond what you'd think of.
Because some of the stuff we've done actually is counter to, certainly in physics.
So is this, I recall you sort of referencing that you had sort of, for lack of a better word, inspiration, downloads, the kind of thing that has inspired scientists through time, and that some of you are actually, I don't know, when you're asleep at night, getting sort of information or ideas on how to proceed.
Is that right?
Yes, yes.
Because you get to a point and wonder, well, this is not working, we're failing all the time, there must be some other way around this.
And when you're putting so much effort into it, it's not just me, there's other guys as well.
You know, we're 100% right into this.
Some of us start having dreams about this.
I suppose it's very similar to Niels Bohr, I think, back in 1912 with his dream about the solar system, how it works.
And then he woke up and said, ah, I know how the atom operates now.
So it's something like that.
So we're into the unknown here and we're getting, yes, downloads and thoughts that could be unusual and how this might work.
What about your team?
Can you tell us a little bit about The types of disciplines that are reflected in your team.
Sure, yes.
We have one person that specializes in radio communications.
We have one guy who is in the semiconductor industry.
Which also involves communications.
We have actually quite a cross range of people in fact.
We have a chemist involved.
This is important that we're not just stuck on the technological side when we're dealing with this.
It opens up to other disciplines and that is we have an orchestra conductor.
For sound?
Yes, to frequencies and sound.
We have a language interpreter.
Now, not your normal language interpreter.
This is one person who is in SETI. He's probably the number one in the world, actually, we have on our team, whose data with signal analysis has a range of protocols in the anticipation of when a signal comes through, how we can deal with that signal.
Because we're in a precarious situation.
We don't have the luxury like with radio.
Say a signal comes in in radio from 50,000 light years away.
We have the luxury of going to Barbados, spending two months to work out a message and then send that off in two months time.
That would be another hundred years before it gets there.
With our system, this operates in real time.
This is like a Skype call.
We actually have a paper that will be coming out, dealing with all this.
So I feel it's certainly a new era in SETI. We're still in the infancy.
No one knows anything about us yet because we've got to get our papers out and get some sort of acceptance, you know, to this.
I think the acceptance may come about because I think we'll have challenging times anyway to do with all the technicalities of this.
Because we don't know all the physics behind this yet.
So that's another paper in itself to figure out.
However, I'm very optimistic, and so is the team, that it's not if we get contact, but I know we will get contact by this means.
And I'll give you a reason behind this.
If that's okay with you?
Absolutely.
Okay, with radio, since 1922, the first signals in radio went out 96 light years.
Or it's taken 96 light years, so to speak.
So it's very much localized within our galaxy.
So, those stars that it went to, and possible planets around those stars, they might have received that, if there's anybody technologically there, and they might respond back.
This is in the radio.
This is how SETI works with the radio.
Now, mind your SETI is also looking for megastructures that could be 3,000 light-years away.
Now, in our case, because of the nature of the radiation we're dealing with, we're dealing with longitudinal waves.
In plain language, you've got your transverse waves, microwave, radio.
If you turn those at 90 degrees, you end up with what's called longitudinal waves or scalar waves.
And this is a compression wave.
So you end up with this huge static in noise.
It's very, very weak.
Now, metaphorically speaking, if you were to press the button on the machine and you're dealing with this radiation, that's gone out everywhere.
It's omnidirectional.
It's not targeted on one particular star.
And also you don't have the constraint of the speed of light.
So guess what?
You end up covering the whole galaxy in one go, which is 100,000, oh, 100, whatever it is, 100,000 billion stars.
Yeah, so that's what excites me because I think statistically the chances are very high for contact by this means.
But have you sent such a signal?
It's not we've sent a signal out, it's that the nature of the radiation would suggest That would be picked up anyway.
So it's not the sending of the signal.
This is different to radio where you have an intent of transmitting the signal.
We're not...
Okay.
Are you in an operational...
You're in a quantum...
Yeah, you're in a quantum universe.
You're actually within...
I mean, I know we're in the quantum universe, but it's like the radiation we're dealing with is already in this quantum state.
And by...
Just pressing the button to trigger this, it's gone everywhere.
It's not just our own galaxy, it's in the thousands of other galaxies, which are all island universes in themselves, as you know.
So what does that mean?
That means, again, it's highly speculative this, but the chances of contact, someone would have picked that up.
It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to contact us, because that may be not the nature of what this is.
It might be something of interest.
They say, oh, something has come through.
We're there for receiving.
You have been there in operation, though, in this mode, I'm taking it, For one year?
Is that correct?
Yes, that's correct, yes.
Okay, and then you recently told me that you're doing an upgrade on your technology.
Yes, that's right, yes.
And that's going to be launched in four or five months, did you say?
No, around November.
So four or five weeks?
Yes, yes, that's right.
And so that's, is that, I'm assuming you haven't gotten an answer yet as you...
No, we haven't.
...or any contact or anything.
So this other thing was...
Turned on, and then this went out everywhere, right?
And they were, they could be aware, made aware of it.
It's because it's on that they're aware of it?
Yes, that's quite possible, yeah.
Okay.
And don't forget, we don't know about frequency.
You're what?
We don't know about frequency.
Sure.
You know, so we're working through all different frequencies.
So that's going on as we speak now.
Okay.
Reviewing whether or not any frequency has gotten any, or what you...
Would it be interference?
All of it is noise.
Like radio.
Radio has noise in it.
And when there's a signal, it usually pokes through if there's a signal.
That depends on the frequency.
So likewise, we're in that arena.
Longitudinal waves, we're working at 1.5 GHz because that's the typical band that SETI radio is in as well.
So we're sort of complementing that by using Scala.
Why did you choose that band?
Was that smart?
Well, because SETI are using it and they've been at this for 50 years.
But haven't they failed at that band?
Well, they failed at that band.
And that's why we're coming in complementing that to see if we can pick up anything.
Okay, is that a special band where there's a reason to choose that band?
Okay, there's what's called in SETI where there's a lack of noise, so to speak, in the universe at 1.42 gigahertz, say 1.5 roughly.
That's where they're mainly used actually with most of the radio telescopes.
They have telescopes to observe in time on at the present time.
But there's many, many frequencies within that.
Right.
You know, literally thousands and thousands of frequencies.
So it's what's called the waterhole.
It's this area where it's very quiet, and that's what they're using, and that's what we're using as well.
And so you're using a quiet area.
Yeah.
Doesn't that seem counterproductive?
Wouldn't you want to use a busy area?
I don't know anything about this.
Well, your language of busyness would indicate a lot of noise.
Wouldn't noise indicate Activity?
Life?
Well, let's jump on the guns, I think.
Is it?
I mean, everything is possible, but, you know, we're going on a rule of thumb here within SETI, so look, let's stick to the 1.5 GHz.
All right, so you're kind of trying to bounce off of the original SETI in what you've created?
Yes, that's right.
So, with your studies of UFOs in the past, I'm sure that people are wondering, you know, we know there's life out there, we have evidence of it, and we know that our governments are dealing with what we call life from other planets, etc.
So what you're trying to do, if I understand it correctly, is you're trying to prove or sort of bridge that gap between the mainstream who doesn't believe that life has been found out there and that they aren't given the information Because there's a secret space program.
We call it a secret space program.
So they are not in touch with that secret space program, this whole band of mainstream.
So you're trying to bridge a gap, is what I get.
So you're trying to prove it within the mainstream reality that there is life out there.
So it's kind of like a simultaneous effort.
With that in mind, have you had any...
Contact from the secret space program trying to help you, trying to guide you, or trying to shut you down in any way?
No.
Nothing?
Nothing at all?
Nothing.
All right.
Because you've been in operation for a year, you're saying.
Is that correct?
Correct, yeah.
And in terms of this actual quantum mechanics, as you call it, you're familiar with Geordi Rose and the D-Wave.
Yes.
Or whatever you want to call that.
And he talks in the...
You saw the TED talk you mentioned.
Yes.
Which I also saw.
And he's talking about a quantum computer that has, he believes, the ability to also interact with the individual standing next to it telepathically, he was saying.
He thinks it actually goes into what he calls fifth dimension.
Whether it's actually fifth dimension or it's another dimension, we don't know, I would say.
But...
In essence.
So is your quantum mechanics the same thing as what he's doing with D-Wave or is it different in some way?
Crucial fact.
In principle, there is resonance involved in this.
Because you are in quantum mechanics, you've gone over the cliff into quantum mechanics, you're therefore dealing with consciousness comes into this, which can be uncomfortable for some physicists that are not used to quantum mechanics.
But there's a growing interest, actually, not only in quantum mechanics, but the realization that you can't escape it, but consciousness comes into this.
So therefore, what we're doing I've no doubt about it that resonance, consciousness and resonance, is also one of the key elements, actually, for the operation of this system.
Okay.
Rather like the D-Wave machine, you know, there's reliance on consciousness because it's, you could say, conscious as well, the computer, so to speak.
So, in the D-Wave machine, you know, and I appreciate that, you know, you perhaps haven't delved into this area, but isn't that Basically AI, conscious AI that he's talking about.
Would you say that?
I would, yes.
And that could ever increase as well in its development.
Sure.
No doubt about that.
As far as what we know, in the sci-fi realm anyway.
Are you dealing with an artificial intelligent language or anything within No.
No.
And why not?
If the D-Wave machine is dealing with the quantum computing aspect, You're not dealing with quantum computing, you're dealing with quantum mechanics.
What's the difference?
It was an interplay between quantum mechanics and general relativity for this to work.
Okay.
And that's what we went on about 11 years ago, that concept.
Okay.
And that was very early days now, even in quantum mechanics.
Right.
So we're really sort of, you know, going over the edge in some of the stuff.
But...
That's as much as I can tell you at this stage because it has been experimental.
Where does general relativity meet quantum mechanics and where does it Diverge from quantum computing.
I know maybe this is a very involved question, and maybe it's not possible to even answer it in a few sentences.
Well, in a very simplistic way.
When you're dealing with general relativity, you're dealing with space and time and gravity.
When you're dealing with quantum mechanics, you're dealing with space, no time, well, maybe there's a bit of gravity.
Okay, how shall I put it?
You're going from The fourth dimension to the fifth dimension.
So it's 4D into 5D dynamics here.
So you actually have to, okay, once you have an understanding and you're applying, and there's been many experiments in the 4D, with Einstein's work to confirm it, but in the 5D, there's been a lot of theoretical work Which suggests that it's for real that the 5D is there, these other dimensions.
So certainly the 5D dimension, sorry, the 5th dimension, and there's been lots of papers on going way up to 11 dimensions, you know.
Right.
Well, okay, so does quantum mechanics deal with those other dimensions?
Yes, it does.
Just elaborating on your question, all right, from 4D to 5D, all right?
Okay, 4D, you're in the space-time arena, and 5D, you're into time, but no space.
But it's another dimension.
Now, the interesting thing is that when you're dealing with, okay, in SETI, in radio, of course, you're dealing with space and time.
In what we're doing in the QSC, the Quantum Superliminal Communication System, we're in two areas.
One is we're in space and time, so in other words, as physical beings.
So if there's, say, an ET civilization there, it's going to be physical in our space-time, using our instrumentation, but they just happen to be using longitudinal ways for the communications.
The second part is, is the exciting one, is that because you're going into the fifth dimension, You can go through thousands of frequencies within the fifth dimension.
That means you're into a multiverse.
So therefore, you're into...
Okay, we have a reality on this earth.
And with that reality, you have a number of dimensions.
Out there, if you change the frequency within 5D, you're into a reality...
And then it also has its dimensions as well.
So you're into a huge amount of multi-dimensions here within the multiverse.
You know, it's like take your pick out of those thousands, you know, with all its dimensions.
So our machine is able to not only operate in space-time, With other, say, physical beings that may be there, but also into the multiverse as well, with those physical beings.
Those E.T. civilizations, hopefully, are there.
So, this opens up a huge arena in the universe for, I think, a very high possibility of contact to occur.
Because if you take the radios in space-time, BART, It's in a very limited area.
And statistically, I think it's...
You know, they're trying their best.
I respect all that, don't get me wrong here.
This is not a competition between the two.
I see ourselves as a complementation to that.
And it's just opening up even a more massive arena of possible communications in areas I've never, ever been touched before.
Maybe Tesla did it, I don't know.
I'm not Kearney, possibly.
But that's the route we're taking, and I think the machine that we have, it's a pretty sophisticated machine because the data can do all this.
But you have to be there in real time to actually operate this.
Now, you could say, well, you could operate a radio transmitter or receiver.
Of course you have to be there for it.
But in this case, because you're dealing with, we're back to the D-wave computers, you have to be there in resonance with the machine for it to operate.
Oh really?
Yeah.
So it has a human component?
Yes.
This is where the quantum mechanics resonance comes in.
Really?
Well, does that mean you have a round-the-clock operator?
No.
No?
It doesn't?
You should have a round-the-clock operator.
All right.
Three eight-hour shifts.
We'll put it that way.
But we're not government-funded.
I understand.
You know, we're into an area that's, well, as you probably know, it's a bit of a quantum jump what we're doing.
Okay, but with that in mind, I mean, we can certainly say if there's anyone interested in donating to make your work possible, right, to get an round-the-clock operator.
Oh, that would be wonderful.
That would be awesome, right?
And we can put that material up on the screen for people to contact you about this sort of thing.
With that in mind, I was going to say to you, who has built this machine?
Okay.
We've built it.
That is within our team.
Okay.
So, you know, our engineers, you know, we have, I think I mentioned to you, we have a radio engineer.
Right.
We've approached it very differently with the semiconductor guy.
Myself comes into this.
There's another person as well.
More of a technician side to it.
It's taken a number of years this.
It's not something you do the weekend.
Because you're dealing with...
The signal to noise ratio is absolutely vital in this.
There's so much static there, like a radio.
But how do you achieve a really good signal to noise so you've got the signal poking out of the ocean, so to speak, like an island, so to speak.
So likewise with this, the second machine is probably ten times better than the previous one because we've learned from the other one.
It's very rough in a metaphorical sense.
It's experimental.
We know it works, alright?
We haven't received any signals, but by improving on it with another machine, our chances are much higher for it to pick up a signal.
So, if you get a signal, what do you do then?
Okay.
There's official protocols to go through.
Number one, There's only one agency in the world that deals with this, and that is the SETI Permanent Committee of the International Astronautical Federation.
They have a post-contact team made up of five persons.
In fact, one of the persons is already on our team.
It's the language interpretation side, which is actually key to this.
For validation, you need another machine.
You need to be in a different location, completely independent from the other one.
Because, you know, somebody will say, well, that's all hoaxed.
That's the way people would think anyway.
So, when we do get a signal, we go through the first agency.
That agency, the SETI Permanent Committee of the IEF, is the remit.
It's the only agency that has the remit to inform the United Nations, their space law, commission, or whatever it is.
I don't know what it was myself.
So that's the first thing.
The second one is...
You send out what's called a telegram.
In the old days, they called them telegrams.
They still do nowadays, but it's a circular.
And that's sent out to every single observatory in the world dealing with astronomy.
So that comes under the International Astronomical Union.
They actually have a commission on this.
It's called Bio-Astronomy, which SETI is in there.
So you have to inform them.
Then it goes, disperses out to all the observatrices.
So all of, I mean, just because we live in this kind of a universe or whatever, this information, this sort of telegram, all of this is happening in real time, in email or whatever.
You've received a signal, but you also told me You have to respond, in theory, right away, in real time.
You're absolutely right.
And this is the most challenging bit of the lot.
I see.
Because, as I mentioned earlier on, that we don't have the luxury of time.
Spending two months in Barbados to work out a message, right?
So we have to anticipate that signal, and it'll come in different forms.
You have to anticipate so many different signals.
And...
So, with that in mind, we have a range of algorithms to respond to.
And the way we're doing it is this.
I'll just give you an example of one of the protocols.
So, the signal comes in.
And then what we do is we put a slight modification to it to show that we're intelligent.
So we're sending their signal back to them with our little modification.
So in the hope that they would say, oh, this is intelligent.
So maybe we respond.
So then they may respond.
With their same signal, with our slight modification signal in it.
So there's this whole reciprocal communication going on, hopefully.
So this will be all in real time.
And hopefully, because they will realize, I suspect we'll be dealing with, I'll use the word, advanced civilization.
Meaning, A bit more beyond us, alright?
Maybe in a whole range of areas beyond us, alright?
And if that's the case, I think, hopefully, that they would realize that, that they'd be curious possibly, they'll want to find out how smart we are, all these things.
So that will show a lot actually in that first protocol, alright?
And hopefully we might actually get full communications then in real time, both ways.
In other words, We're hoping they'll understand our language, that they would have, hopefully, sophisticated language converters in real time, where we don't exactly have those, where we have something close enough to with a delay in it.
But that wouldn't be acceptable at this point in time to apply.
I mean, the technology is there, all right, to do it.
But we're hoping that they would actually do, I was going to say do the job for us.
So that's one protocol.
Okay, well now what about this notion, I think it's Stan Tenen who talks about, for example, the Hebrew language and how each letter has sort of Maybe many meanings and so on.
I don't know if you know who he is or anything.
I've heard his name.
He's sort of an expert on, you would think, in languages in a way.
So I'm wondering if, you know, you're covering all the bases, because is there an optical side of this?
No.
Not at all.
So it only uses, when you're talking language, we're not talking a computer language necessarily, are we?
Okay, we have language interpretation expertise, so-called expertise.
Right.
Probably the best in the world we have at the moment.
And in that, we feel confident that using these algorithms...
It's not my expertise, this particular area.
No, I understand.
You'd have to interview somebody, one of my colleagues.
Sure, happy to do so.
And it's just a different world altogether dealing with language.
Right.
You know, communicating.
But you must have some kind of, I mean, is there a visual way in which you convey what the language looks like?
Is it speaking English?
Is it, you know...
Or is that the language we're going to be talking to this other civilization with?
It's open for every language.
I mean, you could have a scenario where the ET civilization has been monitoring us.
I mean, that's quite acceptable.
It's called the zoo hypothesis in SETI, right?
So they're monitoring the 400 languages on Earth, say, to do with humans, that is, besides all the many other languages with animals, right?
Because of what we're doing, and I know Chinese as well, I think the number one language in Spanish may be the second, and I think English is possibly the third.
Because of what we're doing, there's a chance actually they might speak English to us.
Okay, just again for visualization purposes, does it come through as just a signal or does the signal convert itself into words Or you have the capacity for that to happen?
Yeah, we have the capacity for that to happen.
Now, there are assumptions in this that we're hoping that they would use some sort of conversion system to help us, or else we'd completely lost this complete disconnect.
We just can't do it.
But I'm optimistic that we can do it.
I think actually that you go on gut feelings about things.
So are you saying you're going to have two locations and two machines in different areas of the world?
Yes, that's right, yeah.
And where are these areas?
Okay, well, it's Ireland and the UK. Ireland and the UK are going to be the ones duplicating the effort.
Well, that's why we're all doing the work.
The UK Center Research Network and some of the teams in the UK. In Ireland we have three guys here as well.
It just happened to be that way.
I mean, it could have been in Japan, I don't know, but it just happens to be here.
Okay.
Well, it is very interesting.
Now, I just want to make a leap, and you have to be the one to tell me if there's no relationship.
I know it was in your presentation, so I'm thinking there's a relationship, but maybe I don't get it.
So, you talked about Sandy Island and this, actually, I don't even know how it's pronounced, but this other island here off the coast of Ireland.
Yeah, Hybrisale.
Hybrisale.
Hybrisale.
Hybrisale, whatever.
And these islands that are, in essence, you've gone through the history, or you did in your presentation, saying, you know, Sandy Island has been documented as being there, and yet it disappeared.
For a period of time and then it reappeared or seemed to.
And the same thing with Hybrisale.
There's an island for the people listening.
We'll put a diagram on the screen so they can see where it occurs between the U.S. and Ireland in essence, right?
Where basically I think most people think there is no island at this time and yet it has appeared in history at different times and that they seem to be connected almost through a portal or some kind of wormhole or whatever in which one appears when the other one is not appearing and the other one and they do this opposite kind of thing.
Is that correct?
That's correct and that's what I was told by a Maori shaman this year.
I didn't know that and apparently this metaphysician, you know, in their whole culture and tribe, it's passed down all this stuff.
I just mentioned this Vanishing Islands, Hyperzelle.
Always said, we know about Hyperzelle.
I was astonished.
He said, oh yeah, when Hyperzelle disappears, Sandy Island appears.
So that got me on that route, looking into Sandy Island.
Oh, I see.
And how long ago was that, that you got this information?
Just a few months ago.
A few months ago.
Okay.
Which is fascinating, and I don't think anything like that has quite been described on Earth before.
So this substantiates this idea of Portals, right?
Yes.
In a way.
And how does that link up with what you're doing now?
Because you're relying on hyperdimensional physics and there's a relationship to portals?
That was more of a digression in the presentation because I felt that Informing everybody.
Well, this is what I'm finding because I'm finding all these very interesting correlations going on.
And if I didn't put that in, well, we've just focused on this and I probably forgot about it.
But I actually went into it a bit further.
And I've just got interesting results from it.
But it does link up.
I mean, I see a link up, it seems, with It's hyper-dimensional space-time, so to speak.
Sure, yes.
And that's kind of what you're dealing with.
And also, well, because my background and knowing remote viewing and having done it myself, etc., I know about what we call signal non-locality.
And so there's sort of some relationship there as well.
And there's also...
There's ample evidence that there is a huge system of what we call them stargates or portals around the planet.
And so that we're dealing with...
The planet is not necessarily as we think of it.
In other words, just as scientists say that reality, you know, this physical reality is actually to some degree an illusion that these...
Molecules appear to be solid, but in reality they're not.
They're just close together.
And some are closer together than others and move slower than others.
So that gives the appearance of what we call material reality, correct?
Yes.
And so this is where also you get the idea where beings themselves can go through a wall If they match the frequency of the wall, I guess.
Yes, resonance.
Yeah, and that's what you mean when you're saying resonance.
Yes, that's right.
And that seems to also have some relationship to this notion of what I might call time travel, and you're talking about leaping...
The way we started the conversation, talking about that model, where the only real time that's recorded is, you said, acceleration to light speed, and then deceleration from your hyperspace.
Let me ask you, because we've been going for a while, and I know that we've all got limited time, we're going to make a flight at the airport and so on.
So, is there anything in this discussion that we've had that You would like to add to it that I haven't thought to ask you, you know, that would clarify for the audience, you know, what you're about and what you're engaged in.
Yeah.
Well, when we finish the second machine, which would be around November, and have that all operational in two locations, statistically, I'm actually pretty optimistic we will make the breakthrough in this.
Yes.
That's from a statistical point of view.
I mean, it's all suggesting, well, the chances are extremely high for a contact to occur.
Sure.
I'd be actually disappointed if it hasn't.
Right.
Of course.
But it could be instantaneous, right?
Absolutely.
And, you know, I would not be surprised that the two machines operate at the same time literally in a very short time.
It's come through.
So that's why it's important to anticipate all this and set all the protocols in motion.
Right.
Yes, I see that.
Let me throw something at you.
What if you get multiple replies, so to speak, or signals or whatever?
Can you handle that?
No.
No?
Oh.
Well, would there be, like, if you got a reply and then there was a space at, let's say, five minutes and you got another reply, could it be in a linear kind of sequence?
Oh, yes.
Yeah, sorry, I thought you meant simultaneously.
There's ten sort of ETs communicators at the same time.
Well, that's what I was asking that.
But if they come in, you know, in a linear fashion, maybe.
Well, it could be sequential.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Oh, well, you could do that, yes.
Yeah, but you couldn't get them simultaneously.
Your machine would...
Would your machine convert it to a time sequence in which they came in?
That's something that would have to be developed.
It's a very good point you brought up there.
Well, with all the...
You're saying the odds.
I mean, billions of...
Haven't they said scientists, even it was in the news, if you want to believe the news, but I think it's even more than that, but they say, and I think you said in your lecture, 500 billion Earth-like planets.
No, no, 520 billion planets, and out of that...
104 billion habitable planets.
And out of that, you'd have a certain percentage of Earth-type planets.
And then from there...
Now, you might say, well, does it have to be an Earth-type planet?
Because you could be dealing with an ET civilization where they're inhaling toxic stuff.
Oh, yeah.
And yet they look human.
Mm-hmm.
Just because we rely on our 78...
Well, isn't the two different kind of life forms silicon or carbon?
Yes.
So they could be silicon-based?
They could be, yeah.
Right.
Which is more of what we think of as an artificially intelligent race.
Sure.
Right?
So you could definitely get replies from them.
We could be dealing with artificial intelligence here.
And if that's the case, we'd be ready for that as well.
Okay, I think this will be my last question.
You can always think of new ones, but...
Is there a way for you to be blocked?
I mean, you said it goes out in all directions.
Is there a way for, you know, even off-planet, let's say, hypothetically, that we have a base on the Moon and Mars and they see this signal going out from your machine and they decide to block it?
Is it possible for them to do that or not?
I don't think so.
I'll tell you why.
It works on resonance, certain frequencies, and if you remember I mentioned to you about having the right consciousness resonance for this.
Because in our team, we just didn't come together just like that.
There's something special with each person.
In that light, excuse the pun, that we feel that without, say, hidden agendas there, that this will work.
I think myself, in resonance, if you have hidden agendas, In it, it actually changes the frequency.
And if that's the case then, the frequencies we're operating at, we'll call it, everybody's looking for, is it lower or higher or whatever, I think it's very much higher.
So it's a high vibratory level, we're operating that.
And it's no accident that we've all come as a team to do this.
If it's low vibratory, I can understand where Other agendas and stuff would come into it.
And as you quite rightly said about, you know, if there are colonies on Mars and other places, there's obviously a hidden agenda going on there from humanity.
So it's not actually aligned with humanity what's going on, as you call it, the secret space program.
That's my take on it.
And if that's the case, this doesn't fit well.
So it wouldn't surprise me that the way we're operating, with no hidden agendas at all, this is for humanity, what we're doing.
There's no financial thing, there's no power, there's no nothing.
We're not doing it for that.
So all the guys that come together, they don't see it that way at all.
So it really doesn't fit your politician in this way, who has hidden agendas there, of course.
So I'm optimistic the way we're doing it.
As I said, there's the experiential side of it kicking in, or the plug-in to it, of actually getting first contact this route.
Okay, and the consciousness piece that operates, helps to make this machine operate, as you called it, or somehow?
Can you explain how it plugs in?
Just be there in real time.
Be yourself.
It's picked it up, I think.
Again, we're into an area which is...
How shall we put it?
We're in the unknown on this one.
Speculative, yes.
Well, you know, the Russians have done a tremendous amount of work in this area, and it is said that they even...
We're kind of there with remote viewing and other disciplines to do with this area of sort of psychic, telepathic, and all of that area.
So I'm sure if any Russians, which they will watch this, they'll sort of be up to speed with all of that.
Okay, so it is a very interesting situation you got yourself into.
And I think people will be interested to see this side of it.
In a certain sense, it may also complement researchers and people that have been investigating UFOs, etc., from a different perspective.
Because what you may come across, indeed, could even come from another direction than what the Secret Space Program has been engaged in all these years.
It's possible.
It's possible you may duplicate, as I say, you may be reinventing the wheel, so to speak, or it may be you're kind of leapfrogging into a different way of dealing with those civilizations.
Yeah, well, first of all, we certainly have a disruptive technology, that's number one.
Right.
And secondly, I am convinced we can disrupt the frequencies that are there.
If you don't understand what I mean by that.
Okay.
In other words you're dealing with a high vibratory level and you're resonating with that.
What that does is It attracts, like attracts like, so it attracts the right civilization, which then would equate to a high ethical basis for them.
And I'm hoping this is going to happen this way.
Where we're coming from is not on all this other stuff at all.
Sure, I get it.
One, just, I swear, this is the last thing.
We had talked about you didn't have a physicist on your team.
You're not averse to having a physicist, you just haven't gotten one.
Is that correct?
Well, we have no physicists on the team.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
But...
Oh, sorry, we're open for...
If a physicist wanted to join you, that might be an interesting compliment.
We'd be open for that, yes.
We'd be open...
For the right person.
The right person, yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
All right, well...
Even in Ansborough, this is a very interesting thing that you're involved in and I'm glad to meet you and thank you for your service to humanity in this way.
Thank you.
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