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July 7, 2017 - Project Camelot
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DR. KATHERINE HORTON - PARTICLE PHYSICIST RE CERN & TARGETING
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Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I am here today with Dr. Catherine
Katherine Horton and I'm going to bring her here on the screen and get this going here.
So welcome Katherine, it's lovely to have you on the show.
Hi Keri, it's a real honor to be here on your show.
I'm one of your greatest fans.
Thank you so much.
Well it's lovely to have you here and you know we don't often get someone who can talk not only about being a targeted individual but also have the scientific background to explain and handle some of the the science behind the targeting which is really quite a rare combination.
So I'm very excited about that.
What I want to do is I want to read your short bio here, or at least portions of it, and then have you augment that.
So what I have here is Dr.
Katherine Horton has a Master of Physics, first class, and a PhD in particle physics, both from the University of Oxford.
And in 2012, she was a research fellow at St.
John's College, Oxford.
For years, she worked at the German electron synchronon accelerator, D-E-S-Y, in Hamburg and at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in Geneva before becoming interested in physics of complex in Hamburg and at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in Geneva
Her first case study was an English legal system for which she attended the high profile court case Borazomsky v. Abramovich in 2011 and she attended the public hearing, was then placed, she believes, at that time under surveillance by the British intelligence community.
And she has been under overt surveillance for the past six years.
And it goes on.
At that point, I'm going to let people go to my website to read the rest of those details and actually turn this over to you to talk about your background and everything that we're kind of highlighting here.
So again, it's great to have you here.
I'd love to hear in your own words kind of maybe a recap of your experience at CERN Also with the, I guess it was another company in, was it Germany or Switzerland?
And also how you kind of made your progress to this point.
Yes, so I think I have a very kind of unusual path behind me because I started off on the traditional academic career path.
So, you know, I finished my A-levels, did really well and was really excited to be accepted into Oxford.
And then I love the academic and the research pursuit so much, I decided to stay on a PhD, and then I really wanted to go into research.
So I stayed at the University of Oxford because they had one of these wonderful research fellowships, which allowed researchers to do whatever they choose.
And that was my research fellowship at St.
John's College, Oxford, and I started off in a research fellowship Working at CERN, there was a direct follow-on from the work I'd done at this synchrotron lab in Hamburg.
So the synchrotron is exactly like the Large Hadron Collider, it's just smaller, and it doesn't collide protons, but it collides, you know, an electron with a proton, so it's a special machine.
But otherwise, very, very much like CERN, just a bit smaller.
And when I was in particle physics, it was exactly at the beginning of my fellowship in 2008.
That the financial crisis hit.
And it took me two years to even understand what had happened.
And then, bit by bit, I understood the scale of it.
And suddenly, when I saw, you know, a postdoc lose his entire savings because it was invested in, you know, and I think also in Icelandic savings accounts and other places, There's many, many things that happened bit by bit.
But at the time, when I realized the scale of it, suddenly staying on in fundamental research just didn't seem right.
You know, with time, as you're getting older, you know, the kind of research excitement at Sun wears off.
I was working on one of the two really big experiments.
I was working on Atlas.
So that was searching for the Higgs boson, and I just left before they found it.
So, you know, that's a bit of a, oh gosh, I'm gutted.
But on the other hand, at the time I felt I wanted to do something much more useful.
So I decided to change to medical physics a little bit.
But then I very much discovered that...
I somehow, everything that I was doing in research was just running into great law sometimes.
And then I thought what I really have to do is figure out what is actually fundamentally wrong with our systems.
So I decided to study complex systems, complex human systems, and my very first case study was actually the English legal system.
So I thought Okay, I want to just study one system that's huge, big and complex and has as many things wrong with it, it's highly inefficient, it's very, very complex, lots of judges sometimes understand the complexity of the law if they admit themselves publicly.
And I really wanted to understand how that system works and find out why so inefficiently hard can be done better.
And that was pretty much motivated by the financial crisis because I thought that those systems had been so complex that people hadn't understood just what disaster they were in for.
But then my entire targeting began as I attended that high court case.
I just went as a member of the public.
And I traveled down to London and I chose that case because it was in the newspapers.
So it was in the newspapers every single day.
I got to know it's a public court hearing and everybody can go there.
It was going over several weeks, so I thought, oh, brilliant.
I've got free access to the courts and I can find out how they work.
So I went down there, but pretty much in the first week, or the second week, gradually I had the feeling of being stalked back to Oxford.
And bit by bit, I had the feeling of being followed.
And at first I thought, oh, that's nonsense.
But then eventually, there was a guy always waiting in front of my home in the morning.
Every day I would go to the court.
And he would be just standing in the street at the end of the drive in front of the house I was living in.
And, you know, I would come out in the morning and turn into the street, and then I would notice that he would be following me 20 or 50 meters behind.
And it would always be a different man every day, but this pattern repeated.
And then bit by bit, he wasn't following me all the way to a train station going to London, but just to the end of the street, and then somebody else would take over.
And bit by bit, it was choreographed out, but in a very, you know, demonstrative way.
And I didn't understand what was happening.
And what was really strange is that at the end of the court cases, stalking never stopped.
So at the time, after a couple of weeks, I thought, okay, this is probably...
At first I thought, oh, maybe it's the Russians.
So that's the first thing you think, oh, it's the Russians.
And then I thought, no, hang on, these people are all British.
They know the localities perfectly.
They know the shortcuts.
They see local.
So I thought, okay, this is British intelligence.
And then you never feel like, oh, you can complain about that.
So I just kept quiet, and I thought, okay, that's just what they're like.
But then, when the stalking didn't stop after the end of the court case, that's when it started getting disconcerting, and I was put through something that I now know to be street theater and harassment, but I didn't understand it at the time.
It was just these weird little spectacles that kept being put into scene by older men.
And then, what happened is that It just, the targeting became harder and harder and harder.
So after a lot of spectacles in Britain, I went to visit one of my siblings and there I was put through a spectacle that made it clear that one of my siblings was being stalked as well.
And then eventually there was a break-in into my home in Oxford, but I came back and I discovered that the public had been rearranged.
But again, it's not something where you can just go and complain to the police and say, someone's come in and veered into my cupboard.
So, you know, I didn't say anything at the time.
And then when my fellowship came to an end, I moved back to Germany to join my husband.
And the targeting just went on and on and on, you know?
And this is how I pretty much ended up in this.
So after several years of targeting, I ended up actually being targeted with microwave weapons.
Okay, I'm very sorry to interrupt here.
Thank you.
You're doing a great job.
We are having some sound issues, so I'm going to try to see if I can sort them out really quickly here.
Speakers, you know, and the speakers, I don't know if they're helping or hurting, actually, to be honest with you.
So if you just bear with me, I'm going to unplug the speaker and see if that helps.
So...
I could hear some loud rustling.
I don't know what that is because I wasn't doing anything over here, but I don't know what the problem is.
So I'm going to see if we can get this to work.
So can you hear me?
Okay, so output, internal speakers.
Hello?
Yes.
Can everyone hear this now?
I'm going to turn this louder.
Go ahead.
Can you hear me now?
Can people hear me back in the chat?
Can they hear me now okay?
I think it's a lot better.
From my end, it's better.
Okay, because all I could hear is I was speaking and suddenly it sounded like a steam engine was just starting up and I hadn't touched the computer and I thought, oh, maybe it's, you know, People are saying it's much better.
So I think something wrong with that.
The speakers I was having attached, they were supposed to be better, but they were worse.
Okay.
So I'm going to ask you to back up a little bit, if you don't mind.
So you were at this event.
Can you explain the event a little bit and then kind of fast forward to where you basically thought you started getting targeted and you were followed?
Because I think...
People might have lost you right around there Okay, so what happened is that I just explained how it came about that I, as a particle physicist, ended up watching a high court case.
Because when I say which high court case it was, people immediately focus on the Russians because these are two big Russian oligarchs who were, you know, having a war in the high court in London.
But I was the only person there who knew absolutely nothing about the Russians.
But I was really interested in the court itself and how that worked and how the lawyers worked.
So that was because I was studying, I was trying to understand complex human systems.
And, you know, when I was there, it was pretty much after this, I think the first or second week, that I noticed that I was being followed.
And at first, it's just a creeping sensation that you think people don't move the way you respect them.
Some go around you and behind you.
Something's starting up again.
Yeah, that's something at your end, and I think that we're being sort of messed with here, but you sound a lot better, and actually...
That's a good sign.
It means that they're listening, you know, they're saying hi.
Yeah, so, yeah, so everyone will know that's what's happening, and sorry about that, but that's just the luck of the draw here, so go right ahead.
You're doing fine.
And so it first began with this sort of stalking and people always think, oh, but aren't you just paranoid?
But when you suspect somebody of stalking or rude, there are little things you can do to actually check that, you know?
And there was one morning I was going into London and the shops hadn't opened.
They were just about to open.
And then as you're walking along the street, I just went straight into a shop that just opened.
And there was nobody in the shop.
I was the first customer.
And of course, the person behind me followed straight away.
And not just followed me into the shop, but followed me also up to the floor where I was on.
So, you know, bit by bit, you figure out, yes, it's true, you are being followed.
And I'm not sure if people heard what was really spectacular was that after a while, every morning when I went to London from Oxford, there was a man waiting at the end of my drive.
He would then wait for me in the morning and then follow me to the train station in a very demonstrative way.
And you know what, looking back, I wish I would have raised the alarm at the time, but these stalking programs are such a genetic field that you can, because they're always very subtle and build up regularly.
And then eventually what happened is that after the end of the court case, the stalking didn't stop, and it hasn't stopped to this day.
So I'm on a permanent blacklist by the oncology agencies.
It just got worse and worse.
So, breaking followed and I was just briefly talking about that.
I came home and I discovered that someone had just re-arranged my cupboard randomly.
You know, it's one of these tricks where they know exactly that you can't go to the police and say, officer, someone came in and just rearranged my shoe coverage, you know?
I mean, they're going to laugh at the police station.
So, but nevertheless, they did try to show you that they come into a private space, they violate in every possible way.
And then I thought, oh, that's just the British, so it's going to die down.
And at the end of my fellowship, I moved back to Germany to join my husband there.
And, you know, it just went on and on and on and on.
I just want to say that it's very interesting because this actual sound is not anything I've ever heard before on a broadcast.
So So, you know, that scratchy thing is very odd, very odd indeed, and so just wanted to say that.
So, okay, so at this point we're following chronology, and go right ahead.
Yes, it's kind of interesting because I and my colleagues noticed that every single time we say something important, you know, so I think I was about to say something important.
Oh, right.
Well, go back.
You were saying something about your husband.
Yes, I went to join my husband, but I was then just about to say that we moved down to Munich, and we ended up, by a coincidence that, looking back, I don't think was one, We ended up getting a flat pretty much a kilometer and a half away from the old headquarters of German intelligence.
And when we moved to Munich, the stalking and the harassment just exploded and became utterly disgusting.
So my doctor appointments were infiltrated.
There was street theater and the waiting rooms.
Every time I left the house, I would be followed most of the time by young people.
On certain days of the year, I would be stalked by children, literally gangs of children, where the youngest seemed like eight or seven.
And the year oldest, something like 12 or 13.
And it was just incredible.
And I didn't understand who these people were and what they were doing.
And then, bit by bit, I thought, oh, hang on.
They seem to be training agents, being trained up by German intelligence how to score, but including children.
I mean, it's like training up child soldiers, in a sense.
And there, in Munich, I was already attacked with electromagnetic weapons, but I didn't know what they were at the time.
So I developed a really weird heart problem.
Where I had intense heartache, but it just disappeared the day when I went to visit a cardiologist.
Couldn't find anything wrong.
And then the same thing repeated six months later, where I had this extreme headache, but on the back of my head.
So not easy when I have a headache.
And then again, you know, my doctor sent me for an MRI, and it immediately disappeared the day of the MRI. So looking back, I know that German intelligence was radiating already then.
I just didn't know what these electromagnetic weapons were.
But then we moved to Switzerland and there it exploded.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Some people are saying your speaker is too loud.
It's not too loud at my end at all.
You sound fine, actually.
But maybe if you turn yourself down a little bit there and I'll turn you up here and...
There's they say it's they think it's at your end.
I'm not just a little bit Okay, I'm just gonna Okay, let me just play around with this Okay, so this seems to be...
I can turn it down.
Is this better?
I guess so.
Go ahead.
Okay, I'm trying...
Oh, hang on.
Is this maybe...
You know what?
I can...
I see.
And make sure that you have Skype closed in case you have Skype open simultaneously.
That would be a problem.
Then...
I think that's fine.
So let's try everything.
um okay uh well i guess we just lost her for the moment um But just hold on one second.
Is this better?
Alright.
Well, let's go with it and try it for a while, okay?
Okay.
I've got one more setting to try should this fail.
Okay.
This is extraordinary.
So, I mean, just to put it into context as an anecdote, you know, now that we're talking about my targeting, the last couple of times I gave interviews on one, the radio host, Ruta, just hours before the interview, I think you're
fine.
You sound fine at my end, so I don't think there's a problem, so go right ahead.
Okay, so let's see how we fare.
And so actually, you know, all this, it's not even a disturbance.
This is a live demonstration, what life is like when you're being targeted by the intelligence agencies because, you know, what we're experiencing here, that is everyday life.
So weird things happen, you know, things don't work that should work.
You feel this nonstop sabotage and you can't quite figure it out and a lot of things break, you know?
But then when it becomes very obvious, in my case, that was when I was first really, you know, overtly attacked with electromagnetic weapons and we had a second break in into my home.
And I just said to my husband, this is ridiculous.
I had enough.
Again, nothing of value disappeared, but little items had disappeared and a thing appeared that wasn't mine, a piece of jewelry, you know, and I knew that no one had been in the house because I was here all the time.
And I said, right, that's it.
I'm going to the police.
And, you know, we went to bed half an hour later.
And in bed, I was burned with microwave weapons for the very first time.
And for people who have never experienced this, it can be terrifying if you don't know what it is.
Because I was just lying down and suddenly the foot arm, the sole of my foot started burning intensely.
And you just, you freeze immediately.
What is this?
And then the burning kind of started crawling up on my leg and hit my knee and then it just turned into this really intense joint ache.
So if that ever happens to you, of course you just reach down.
And when I reach down, I actually reached with you, but what that feels like, if you don't know, is that the pain actually transfers from the knee to the back of your hand, and you suddenly have this, like, knuckle ache, you know, joint ache.
I was done with really shocking, so I, you know, put my left hand on that area, and then, again, the pain transferred, and suddenly I felt like, oh, my God, I simply reached the pain.
So I was trying to muck it out and wake up my husband, but...
And then she switched off after a couple of seconds.
But that was already enough that I felt really burned.
So the hand that I used, kind of, was eight several days.
And you can't see any traces, no burn marks on the skin.
But the lower dermis is burned and the nerves are damaged.
It just feels burnt.
And as soon as that happened, I thought, hang on, that feels like something is burning and it's coming through the walls, and that feels like microwaving.
But even then, I didn't realize just how transparent walls are to microwave.
I just had to go online and search.
And that's when I discovered that, actually, when we're inside our homes, we think, oh, you know, you can't see Alice.
You can feel protected.
But the microwaves, your home looks like milky glass.
It's like as if you were in a conservatory in milky glass.
So if somebody takes a microwave weapon, a microwave unit which shines effectively, you can feel it, just like the laser pointer can shine through milky glass.
And that's exactly how these weapons are being used.
And they seem to be combined with some sort of radar surveillance.
And through the wall we're monitoring.
And there are various technologies that allow you to do that.
But the end effect is that it can be used to be inside your home, behind walls, in very high definition.
And that can be used to be aiming at you.
And this attack on me with my Koi weapons, that was so bad that I didn't use the weapon.
That was in January 2016 in Zurich.
Since then, since that attack day, I have been shot into and burned and electro-shocked and manipulated non-stop.
At first it was just, you know, once every hour, and then it just explodes into non-stop harassment, you know, every minute, then it gets bad every single second.
Okay, well, actually, I'm not sure what's going on in the chat.
People are sort of, I don't know, kind of like losing it.
I'm not sure what's really going on.
But I will say that you're perfectly understandable at my end.
I am recording this on more than one device.
And, of course, YouTube is recording it.
It will go on the channel after we're done.
So, what I wanted to say is that the targeting is similar with other people, I would say.
I myself have had targeting, as people who know my channel well will know, and we were just talking before we started.
And so, what I'll say is that a few years ago, I was hit on the right-hand side of my head while I was sleeping, apparently.
I might have been abducted, okay?
So I don't rule that out either.
It's very strange.
But I was in Palo Alto, and Palo Alto is a huge center for this sort of thing.
I did have four psychics independently verify that I was hit by a scalar weapon on the right side of the head.
My face is basically completely healed at this point, but not without a lot of work.
I had a lot of acupuncture, mainly.
To get rid of what happened to me.
And you can go onto my YouTube channel and you'll see some pictures where my face is swollen.
You can actually see my lips were swollen, so and so forth.
And so that went on for about, you know, actually took about two years to heal.
Now, it looks like you don't have that sort of direct attack.
This was a targeted attack because I'm a media personality.
I was on the way at the exact time to interview somebody called Mark Richards in prison, and he is a very high-profile witness for the Secret Space Program.
And you yourself have a very interesting scientific background.
I would say that your targeting has a lot to do with what you know and who you are as opposed to just a random decision to target you.
So what I wanted to do was drill down a bit more into your work.
I know I've heard other interviews you've done.
you talk a lot about the targeting, but you actually don't talk about your work or any of the, you know, reasons why they would want you to be quiet.
Because one thing that targeting does, and I had actually had a fairly mainstream witness on yesterday, Robert Steele, who basically acknowledged.
I mean, he worked for the CIA as an intelligence officer for years.
So a recruiter of agents, and he also worked for the Marine Intelligence.
So he's heavy intel, and yet he's coming out and saying, I asked him point-blank, and you can watch the interview on my YouTube channel, and I asked him about targeted individuals, and he said they're absolutely doing it, and he said one of the things that they're doing is they're trying to set people up using chemtrails,
which is all known to Camelot, but it's great to get a mainstream person actually verifying this, and someone with an intelligence background For people that are skeptical that this is even happening, I mean, it's unbelievable that people would not know that this is real.
But, you know, if you're not involved, if they don't target you, maybe it's hard to believe.
So what happens is he says they're trying to actually set you up to, and I know it sounds terrible, but to burn, to try to create the human to combust from the inside out.
And just disappear into dust.
So that they don't even have a body.
So there's no sign of a murder, so to speak.
And of course, cell phone towers are a major targeting device.
Hitting our cell phones and then through our cell phones, us.
Satellites.
Now there's a...
I think that there's a quantum aspect to this that isn't really discussed.
But we know there's a quantum AI... And it wouldn't surprise me if they're not going, to some degree, they're able to possibly go interdimensional with some of these weapons, the scalar weapons.
And Tom Bearden, of course, talked a great deal about that.
I know I'm long-winded here, but I just wanted to sort of paint the background here.
So...
Can you address any of this that I've mentioned from your perspective and bring some of your scientific understanding to the fore because there's got to be a reason why they're trying to shut you up and put you in sort of a fight or flight mode so that your brain is no longer thinking Critically, necessarily.
I mean, it probably apparently still is because I'm talking to you.
But you know what I'm saying?
They're trying to get you into that mode.
That's where they always try to put a human being is when you're in a terror situation.
You're terrified, and so you're going to just go to save yourself on the most base human level.
So why don't you address that however you see fit?
Yeah, I think there's actually a lot of really valuable points that you made that I can comment on.
So, I think when they hear CERN scientists, the first association are the big experiments and, you know, the big really flagship experiments.
And that's exactly what I worked on.
So, that's where you collide with maximum energy and then they talk about opening portals and all that sort of stuff.
And actually, I think that is this info.
But something else is not, and that's actually much scarier.
So let me address actually the CERN point.
So all these people who say, ooh, you know, we're going to create black holes and we're going to open things and they're going to swallow everything.
That's nonsense.
And it's nonsense for the simple reason that the energy that CERN can reach with this machine are nothing compared to the energy used.
Of particles that are just knocking into Earth from just the cosmic background.
So there's something called cosmic radiation, and that's just the particles and the energy and the photons that just slam into Earth, coming from distant galaxies, from all sorts of stuff, from black holes and so on.
And there's a spectrum, and the discern energies are just like kindergarten stuff, compared to the energies that slam into Earth nonstop.
So, you know, it's like saying, you know, you are hit a hundred times with these energies without noticing, and then one time that it's done at CERN, it's like, oh, that's going to open the portal.
No, no, no.
There's absolutely nothing that will happen at CERN that's so spectacular because if it were possible, portals would have already popped up around us, you know, randomly, but they do not.
That's not the story.
So actually what CERN does in these really big experiments, and that's all I can talk about, because people also have to realize that CERN is an extraterritorial area.
It's very important.
It's in Geneva, and it's on the border to France, but it doesn't belong to France.
It doesn't belong to Switzerland.
Right?
We have this little, it's almost like a country in itself with its own border guards, and it's a big site.
And actually the experiment I worked on is just a small part, so there's other research happening as well, on particle beats for cancer and many other things.
And you have to realize that everyone's scientists, like many organizations, can only talk about the individual brandings that they know.
So for example, all the intelligence facilities, you know, like Bell Vinny and Kirk Wheaton, We're also working in a party area.
So they are sometimes shocked at what criminality is going on.
But they know their environment, but it doesn't mean that somehow next door something could happen, you know?
But all I can say is that it could be that some shady research is happening in CERN, but if it's happening, it's like at any other university.
It's in other hangers that no one goes to, but it's not for the experiments, because the main stuff that these particle experiments do is so incredibly boring, actually.
So they find the Higgs boson and it sounds exciting, but no one sees the really boring work, looking up to that, that's hard.
But, I always say, and that's actually much more important, but it's much more dull, but it's much more deadly than we have already created a black hole.
But it's in the pension funds, you know?
And that's from a solo embassy.
Understand, because while everybody's focused on the really spectacular stuff, actually the danger to mankind comes from retreating stuff, you know, financial stuff that...
Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt again.
We are getting that scratchy sound, and I am losing the last bit that you just said, so can you say that again, because I think it was rather important, what you're just saying.
Try to make your words, because you have a lovely accent, but I know that Americans, for one thing, I have a large American audience, have trouble with the accent, so if you could...
I'm also foreigner, so...
Speak a little more clear just when you're talking about this.
If you go ahead, please.
So the point I was making is that I think the real danger is not in the spectacular things, like the big experiments, but it's always in the boring stuff, the stuff that's, you know, everything that's a big spectacle, that's either because it's false or because we're meant to see it.
The real dealings are always hidden.
They're always covert, and the really dangerous stuff is always covert.
So that's just to address CERN. So the stuff that I was working on, I don't think that's of any importance whatsoever, because it cannot.
It cannot have any impact.
That's why I left particle physics, because I felt like there's no way this will ever help or impact on human life, ever.
So it's not true that we're building a superweapon with these Now, is somebody else building a different type of weapon, maybe an electromagnetic weapon, just down in a hangar?
Yes, they could be.
Just the site is huge.
And it can have underground caverns, because the Swiss dig tunnels everywhere, you know, under every mountain.
So I can't say, oh yes, CERN is, you know, nothing is happening there.
Something could be happening there.
There could be a large militia base.
I almost expect it, because it's an extraterritorial area.
So, you know, neither Switzerland nor France can affect it.
So if you come to London and do something shady, well, you know.
So that's the real story.
But I would encourage people to go away from the spectacular and look at the mundane and really look at it hard.
And turning on to the point that you made about Robert Steele and his opinion, I think it's true you can use nanotechnology to really make people burn up because what it's actually doing is loading heavy metals into the body so you can make it absorb if you make it absorb very largely you can ignite the fat in our body you can make us Burn up if you really wanted
to.
So I can see that happen.
However, you can't I don't think you can make people just puff into thin air.
I think you would have a burning you know it's like it's like On a grill really so you can't really make it disappear traces not with the standard technology Maybe they put something with much more well Actually my understanding I mean are you familiar with particle beam weapons and scalar weaponry that
Because my understanding is that I'm not sure how accurate it is, but there seems to be a lot behind it, which is that Judy Wood, who has written a very Extensive book on 9-11 is talking about 9-11 as being targeted in this way and this is where we get they did have some residual dust or whatever you call that but ashes but basically it kind of like did disappear and then a lot you know what should have been there wasn't there was nothing there
so how do you explain that Yeah, so that's a novel type of weapon that I have no idea about, and I never researched the physics, and I was never taught the physics.
But one of the things I know is that also the physics I was taught is pretty much linear.
So there are extra terms that we haven't researched yet.
So I'm expecting that there's something else we don't know for sure, and that might be just it.
It could be literally just some high-order effects and Dynamics, that I would call them, that have this effect.
But I have not researched it, so I couldn't comment on that.
So yes, in principle, you can use these fancy weapons.
I'm not sure how much energy you need to put in to actually generate this effect.
So I'm not going to comment on that, not saying it doesn't exist.
No, I'm not qualified to comment.
The one thing that I think I am qualified to comment on, and that already scares me with this.
So anything on top just adds.
That is the fact that these weapons, even if you just saw classical electromagnetism as we know already, it's terrifying because these weapons are cancer weapons and they can kill.
It still leaves the corpse but it will look like a normal heart attack or it will look like a stroke.
And what's really bad is exactly that the technology isn't fancy but you can use the standard microwave to We convert it into a deadly weapon.
And when I discovered that, I mean, it sounds silly now after what I know that it never occurred to me before.
You know, you can cook meat in your microwave, so what happens if you take a meter out of the fielding?
Of course you have a deadly weapon.
I never thought about that.
But it's, you know, when I had these weapons, you know, guinea-picked on myself by these criminals, I realized just what Fine-tuning potential attacks, they can really cause all sorts of symptoms, you know?
They can make you feel like you've got the flu and switch it on and off, like with a switch.
They can make you throw up instantly or make you feel like your face is burning up or give you an instantaneous migraine that's so intense that you're throwing up and you will actually throw up and all sorts of stuff and move your muscles remotely and Terrifying.
Well, just to say along those lines, when I had this thing happen to me, what happened was actually happened before I left for Palo Alto.
I started to get a pain and it was hitting me right below the ear, sort of like.
It wasn't the ear, but it was in that area somewhere like that.
And it was just a strange...
I knew I was being targeted.
I know targeting.
I'm psychic and so on.
So I knew that I was being hit by a weapon.
And it was happening intermittently during the day.
So it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't constant.
It would go for a little while and then it would go away.
Then it would come back and then it went away you know and then it came back in the night and they did it in part of the night and then I woke up in the morning we drove to Palo Alto and then you know we were gone and busy all day and it wasn't happening when I was in movement and I was out in public But then when I came back to the place, you know, I felt it a little bit before I went to sleep.
And, you know, that's what they do.
They're, like, hitting you with it, right?
So I can verify that they actually, you can feel it.
I mean, you know, you can actually feel it.
It's terrifying because it sounds like, what you described to me is it sounds like a practice run.
They were aiming, you know, calibrating their weapons on you where they can become the head.
Exactly.
So this is sort of thing.
Now, one thing I say, though, and I don't know whether you agree with this, is my physical body was not in good condition because I was overworked.
You know, I work very hard.
I tend to work very hard.
Now, I also play very hard.
So now I force myself to take time, you know, to play more and so on.
So I'm in much better health than I was.
But if you get into a stress situation and they're hitting you.
See, I think the human body has a lot of bounce back abilities.
And I don't think that any of this has to be endured.
In other words, I think we can fight it off.
One thing, I don't know whether you do this, but I found going in nature to be very beneficial.
They have trouble when you're a moving target, number one, and when you're in nature, away from electronics.
That's when they have the most trouble reaching you, so to speak.
So I just want to throw that out as well.
That's true, actually.
I think that's very, very true.
And I think they seem to use a mix of technologies based on what I have experienced.
But what I noticed and my colleagues noticed is that They use a lot of mobile units that are, you know, manned.
So it would be emitters and weapons and rucksacks and handbags even that aim at you and shoot at you cause horrific pain.
And when you're out in the forest but nobody around, they can't hit you that way.
And that really makes it a lot better.
But you know, actually, when you were asking about the big picture, so what are they actually trying to do?
I think they can certainly make people burn up, I'm sure.
They can also make people, you know, probably also disappear using fancier technology.
But I think the most mundane is always the most dangerous, and that is make a lot of money by giving a lot of people cancer, because that's the default mode of these weapons.
You know, you can actually target cancer by just focusing on one part of the body, on the gland, on the pancreas, you know, for specific pancreatic cancer, brain tumors and so on.
And then you can make a lot of money, because when people are desperate, they're going to pay you.
And what is so deadly is that you can't do forensics the usual way.
You know, there's no bullet hole.
If somebody shoots a pulse at you and gives you a stroke or a heart attack, there is no gunshot.
Nothing is hurt and it doesn't need a bullet hole in the wall.
And just to produce these weapons is destabilizing our society, you know?
So how insane were the people who allowed this to happen?
And I do fault our so-called military leaders for this.
The so-called military intelligence, because it certainly is everything but military intelligence to allow an industry to grow up producing these things.
Because you can't stamp it out.
And now the situation we have, this is now, I'm fast-forwarding to a lot of research.
And I should say that when I became the target, I was at first terrified.
Then I heard about a court case that had very similar stalking.
As its subject in England and that was Philip Kerr versus MI5. So I traveled to London and I even spoke to Philip Kerr and I attended the court hearing and I discovered that the businessman was complaining about virtually identical harassment as I was.
And that's when I clicked and I thought, okay, yes, it is MI5 for sure.
But I also noticed traveling around that he did pass to whichever intelligence agency is local.
So I'm traded on a black vest, and I'm being now shot into wherever I am by the local treaty.
So it seems that my assault protocol travels with me, and they have virtually identical weapons wherever I go, and they just speak at me according to the current protocol.
So it seems to be centralized in the assault, but centralized in the assault protocol.
And that is a huge Nazi system, you know?
Right.
But I think it's important to think about, again, why you and what it is that they're choosing you.
Now, given they want experimental subjects everywhere and certain of us become what you call high-profile subjects, targets, whatever, and I can appreciate that.
I get so many people writing to me saying, They're being targeted.
They tell me the whole rundown that you have.
And usually they'll tell me that it started when they started to either Investigate something in the alternative sector or they did something at their work which was unusual or tried to rebel in some way from the system.
So this seems to be the way they get their targets is by this kind of thing.
Now when you're a media personality or even a celebrity, you're going to have this kind of thing happen to you of course as well.
And I'm sure that many media personalities and Celebrities are experiencing this who don't ever come forward and talk about it.
They're probably either not knowledgeable, they don't understand what's happening to them, and they don't talk about it, or they do talk about it.
People think they're crazy and give them a lot of pills, and then, you know, they act crazy.
Then, you know what I'm saying?
It's kind of like a vicious circle.
So they may have the worst problem of anyone, I would say.
Being high profile in that way can be very, very dangerous to you as a human because of the way the powers that be like to target you.
In your case, you obviously are a scientist.
You're someone who they consider one of their own, so to speak, or you were.
And so they will see you as a good target.
You're also...
Fairly young, which, you know, they're doing a lot of their experiments.
I think they're trying to target people in different age groups, you know, to, again, even as Robert Steele was saying yesterday, it's an experiment.
You're part of an experiment.
You're an experimental animal, so to speak.
And I think going public is one of the best ways to actually eventually perhaps get away from all this.
I also think, you know, there are other ways to combat it.
But I think it's interesting that you're seeing the intelligence agencies as targeting you specifically.
And again, I want to say, what is it that you know?
Because I'm thinking, you're not just an experimental animal to them.
You might know something that they're afraid that you might release.
Did you sign secrecy agreements in your travels, in the various jobs where you might have access to information?
Yeah, I think that's very interesting because I never have.
I never signed an MBA, never in my life.
I was never in anything.
There was one project I wanted to start in medical physics that was blocked, actually.
It was actually in chemotherapy, and I had a good research project that I loved and was very popular with my researches, and it was blocked.
It was violently just, you know, shelved.
And that's when I also thought, right, the financial crisis, now there's corruption here.
I want to find out what's going on.
That's why I studied complex human systems.
But even so, everything I ever did was always public, you know?
There's nothing.
I have to say, when I became targeted, that's when I learned.
I started watching your interviews and that really opened my eyes.
But had they not targeted me, I think I would be just as deluded and as ignorant as most of my colleagues must be.
And it was actually through this targeting that I really started to turn around and actually look at them closely and figure out, or try to figure out what exactly is going on.
Because of that, I think they might have earned themselves a goal in their own game.
Yes.
I think actually something much more subtle than that because the best understanding I have today of what's happening to me is pretty much what Dr.
Robert Duncan threw the whistle on.
You know, this entire brain mapping and hive minding and all that.
You know, they try out some of these technologies with me.
And certainly, after shooting into my body for over a year, they now shoot into my body and focus on my head.
And, you know, just a couple of weeks ago, I discovered that I have all these chips in my neck on the back of the head, and they are emitting.
And it was with my colleague that we climbed into a father's cage together, and he's the bug finder.
And she knew she had these chips.
And she, you know, actually scanned herself, or I scanned her, and she showed me where her chips are.
And she scanned me and showed me where the chips are exactly the same places.
So I'm just chipped like a lab rat.
So I've got, you know, probably dozens of chips on my head, but a lot of them, you know, in my ears, on the back.
So what you mean by chips is implants.
What we would call implants.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, I... A friend of mine, I'm not going to say who, went through an airport scanner, the one where you raise your arms up, and they saw so many chips on his body.
The people doing the scanning didn't even know what it was.
They were like shocked.
They were so surprised by what they found.
It looks like they corrected the machine so it doesn't show that anymore.
Yeah.
But nonetheless, that's real.
Absolutely, I can say.
Yes, and also my colleague, Dr.
Medicine Black, she saw exactly the same with her elderly mother.
When she was outside the scanner looking back, and then she saw her mother come through, and then she saw the screen light up, and she said the entire upper body was just full of chips.
And it's horrific, but that is what they're doing.
And that's going right back to Nazi Germany.
Instead of having a serial number to tune in your arm, you've got the chip carrying the serial number and some functionality.
And I think what they're doing with me is probably they wanted to have, you know, I speak several languages and they wanted to map my brain.
And they are shredding me and dissecting me and they don't care what's happening to me.
So, you know, they are destroying my private life, they've destroyed my career, now my physical health, and all they want to get at is, oh, what are her brain responses when we, you know, perk her with a call, you know, a fake phone call or send her threatening emails.
But I think the real question now for all the victims who are listening is what's on us to do, you know?
Because you're right, there are so many victims, and what you describe, you know, is the swelling of the face and of limbs.
I have so many victims have sent me photos with horrific injuries, exactly as you described.
So with me, they didn't swell my face, they make my feet and my legs really swollen.
But suddenly, you know, you're just getting up and you can't see your ankles anymore because your legs are so swollen.
And they can just turn it on and off.
What they're doing now is this horrific, proliferating, out-of-control psychopath conglomerate, that's the military-industrial complex, military-industrial intelligence complex.
It's so out-of-control and so psychopathic and Nazi that when you just listen to one case, you have to think with the mindset of, I am reading Nazi crimes, otherwise they sound incredible.
But if you just think, oh, maybe I'm a historian reading what happened to somebody in a Nazi concentration camp, then yeah, it sounds just about right.
That's how you have to think to actually be able to absorb this.
But I have not seen anything this horrific or heard anything horrific.
And for now, for me, and I think for all these many, many victims, because there are hundreds of thousands of victims.
I mean, some people say millions.
The question is what to do and it's terrifying when you're being attacked non-stop because they try to disable you.
And, you know, I would love to hear you.
Yeah, like, I'm going to show you.
It's actually, I didn't know because I wasn't sort of aware of some, you know, this picture, but someone posted it.
I didn't post it.
I wouldn't post it on my Facebook.
And I'm just going to show you really quickly.
You can actually see this photo.
It's a little small, I guess, but can you see this?
People, you can just go to my Facebook if you'd like to see it.
It's this one here where you can actually see where my side of my face and my lips were all fat and everything.
Here I'm smiling.
It's still there where you can see it, but now it's gone away.
But that was just part of what they did to me.
So I know that it's real.
I know that that's just what's happening.
They're really attacking us in this way.
Hello?
Uh-oh.
Hello?
Okay, it looks like somehow we...
I don't know what happened.
Hold on a second.
I'm going to try to get her back.
It looks like somehow the wrong window got disconnected.
Maybe it couldn't handle it.
Hello?
Hi.
Okay, I don't know what happened, but we got disconnected, so I'm now going to reconnect this.
So one second here.
OK, bear with me.
We're bringing her back.
Okay, so...
Anyway, that's the story of what went on with me.
And there are many other people, of course, that have had much worse things happen even.
So they continue.
Now, again, I think that meditation is a really key way to combat this.
Have you tried that?
No, I haven't.
I was trying to use the things I know to combat it.
When I felt electromagnetic beams, I was trying to use metal to block it.
With me, they do several things.
The burning, you can actually block it if it's a micro beam with just simple baking foil.
But they also use something that actually sounds and feels like an electromagnetic machine gun.
And there I even managed to record a little film that's on YouTube where you can see the shot being so intense it puts a dent into the metal foil I was keeping on my shoulder because they were hurting me so much.
So it's incredible that these weapons are so powerful you can even hear them and you can see them damage things, you know?
And as a physicist I do not understand the amount of energy that they have to put into that to create that effect.
I think it's staggering.
Well, one thing I've found, I don't know if I can remember his name.
He's a doctor, but he's an Army doctor, and he has come on my show before, and he told me about the use of magnets.
So what he said is that you can use magnets...
And you can't have them on your body for a long period of time.
That's the thing.
But what magnets do is see what they zero in on is your signature.
And what the magnets and crystals also can be used in this way.
So what you do is you switch the magnets.
Like you'll use one magnet and that will sort of switch your signature for a while.
Like 15 minutes.
And then you can actually put, just take, like if you wear the same rings all the time, they'll target the, you know, the rings, the crystals and the stones in the rings.
So you need to take your rings off and actually switch them and use other rings, you know, like other gemstones.
What it does is that changes your signature again.
And you can do this.
You can, like, do it all day long.
And he told me how you can buy these certain magnets.
They're small and you can just put them in your pockets and stuff.
That does affect this targeting.
Actually, I'll get it.
I'll show it on the screen in a minute.
There are people like David Serrata who have built these pendants and things that do ward off electromagnetic waves and targeting.
Sometimes they work.
Sometimes they become ineffective.
I was told that mine was ineffective for a period.
I believe it's like a crystal that needs to be put into salt or something to rebalance it and then you can use it again.
So, you know, it's worth knowing that.
But there are those kinds of more mechanical ways of dealing with some of this.
Also, I have a test going, but I'm sensitive.
I have this issue with my feet.
So I have been doing this test with real silk.
I know it sounds wild, but in some ways, maybe it's not so wild.
Actually, I have a silk blanket that I purchased in India.
I was very attracted to it for some reason, and so I was having trouble with targeting.
They also do it through HAARP, obviously.
And it's also, like, towards everyone, right?
So when you get a massive wave, it's not, like, targeted towards you, but you're feeling it because they're trying to create an electromagnetic pulse through the earth.
And they're also trying to, in some cases, they want to destabilize the earth so they can have an earthquake or whatever they're trying to do at the time.
And I can feel these when they start happening.
And...
I feel them on my legs and my feet.
And so I started to put just, you know, I was sleeping and I put my silk blanket over my legs and then I sort of noticed that it sort of dissipated.
And I've been testing that and I do think that real silk, it has to be absolutely real silk, may actually help to combat this.
So it's just, those are little things that I've noticed.
Also water.
You can submerge yourself in a bath.
This will also help protect you.
That is true.
I think that's very interesting to hear actually because the things you described, the magnets, I've heard People try to disable the chips when they know where they are using extremely strong magnets.
And these are very small but very powerful magnets.
And they say that that helps.
And also what you described to me sounds like, I've heard mentioned these ground radar devices, but certainly what they can certainly do is send up vibrations.
And depending on the frequency and how you do it, you can cause extreme discomfort.
And they seem to be different vibrational weapons that work in funny ways, where they can just vibrate your body.
And I hear that actually a lot of times.
So one of the things I noticed with me is that they try to, I think, dislocate joints in my spine, some vertebrae.
And the way they seem to do it is that when you're, like, filthy relaxed and your muscles are relaxed, they gently vibrate you all night long and slightly, you know, vibrate the vertebrae out of slight alignment, and then when you get up, you're trapped in a nerve, and that's it, you know?
And nonsense like that.
So you just wouldn't think about this stuff, but it can cause horrible pain and discomfort.
Now, what is just so staggering is that there's this group of people We just keep going like mad people, you know?
And there's nothing we can do to stop them.
And that's where I'm at.
I'm thinking, what are we going to do, you know?
Well, you know there's organizations.
Now, I don't know if you're located in Switzerland or somewhere else, but I can say that, you know, I've had on my show some Europeans that started an agency to protect people.
There are other people in America, you know, actually new organizations are cropping up quite often now, and I can say that, you know, some targeted individuals are finding that welcome, you know, to have.
So, again, it does have a lot to do, this is my point of view, but it does have a lot to do with your mental state.
Now, obviously, they're targeting you so that you're going to have a low mental state.
They want to keep you in what they call a low vibrational level.
There is a problem on the planet Earth for the powers that be at this time.
Which has to do with the vibrational level of humanity.
So they are very vested in actually getting this to...
Sorry, I'm trying to...
There's a way of balancing these stupid things.
Anyway, they're trying to actually lower the vibration of humanity.
And these weapons are also in a mass way, not in just individuals.
So what happens is certain individuals have very good high vibrations.
They will try to target them, obviously, specifically, but they're also doing a massive thing.
So one of the things is to keep your vibration high.
And not to let some of these things affect you.
But of course, that's the whole point of them doing this, is to make it affect you so that you won't be able to do, you know, the natural kinds of healing things that you would normally think of doing.
But nonetheless, you know, none of us, this is my view, none of us are victims.
So we came into this incarnation willingly and purposefully.
And if you make yourself available to something where it targets you or you get attacked, you've done it for a reason.
You've allowed it into your life for a reason.
As part of your awakening, maybe to awaken others, you know, and to connect you or reconnect you with humanity.
And then what happens is if you can get yourself into this mental state where You don't care anymore.
You can actually transcend the pain.
And of course, you know, this is a path of a yogi type exercise, but it's meaningful and it's important.
And I think more and more humans are starting to tap into this and realize that this is where we can go and this is what we can do and we can't be stopped.
But I think what you're doing also Communicating and telling people all about this is such a valuable service to humanity.
And, you know, so I just want to thank you so much for doing that.
And it takes a lot of courage because in a certain sense, you're already a target, so you're making yourself more of a target by coming on radio shows and, you know, YouTube TV shows.
Obviously, you know what I'm saying here.
So...
I just want to say thank you.
And again, can you talk about any other things you're doing on your own behalf and in this way to work with others, etc.?
Yes.
That ties me with the second bit of what to do.
Because I was shut up.
I tried to get a high court injunction in London last year.
That was, I think, four or five months after I became, you know, I was hit with electromagnetic weapons.
And that failed spectacularly.
And I watched just big corruption in the high court and my case was sabotaged and not taken seriously.
And that's why they sabotaged it, you know, depending on how you would like to look at it.
And then I tried to just keep quiet.
You know, I do what every victim does.
And I just thought, oh, maybe they'll go away.
And then they hit me even harder.
And I think what they're trying to do is It keeps you in a state of learned helplessness.
So if you, you know, shock a mouse, a lab rat, randomly, shock it in just one part of the cage if you avoid that part of the cage.
But if it realizes it doesn't matter what it does, it will just get shocked randomly.
Mice naturally free its learned helplessness because they don't know anymore.
And that can happen to humans as well.
I personally My impression is actually learned helplessness.
Also going with the mental state that freezes you.
And then I thought, hang on, I know what's happening.
I'm not going to slip into learned helplessness because paralysis is deadly.
It's like stopping when someone is shooting.
So I thought, no, I'm going to go the opposite.
I'm going to go as loud as I can.
So I started just tweeting at media, and the first person who reacted, actually the only person, you know, up until very recently, who reacted, was actually Richie Allen.
So he let me on his show, and that was the big, you know, me coming out and going public.
And that put me in touch with some wonderful people.
So I've now assembled a little team of three women who are all amazing fighters.
You know, when I'm hit really hard, I just think about them and how much harder they are hit.
And I just think, now, whatever happens to me doesn't matter.
Just look at them.
Isn't that awesome?
I have to just keep going.
And we have put together a joint investigation team with Wes and Neuro.
And so the people I'm working with is Taryn Melchior, NSA whistleblower.
And I always say she's good and smelly.
Okay, we're starting to lose your audio, of course.
You're saying some important things here.
So can you speak maybe a little closer to the mic and enunciate a little closer?
So you're working with an NSA whistleblower.
What's her name?
It's Karen Melton-Stewart.
And I can understand why they took the volume down, because I said she's bigger than Snowden.
She's the only NSA whistleblower.
In fact, she's, I think, the only female NSA whistleblower I know of, and she's the only NSA whistleblower who openly talks about this electromagnetic weapon system that is part of the targeting.
Well, I would love to interview her, so if you're in touch with her, please tell her that she's invited on my show any time.
She will be honored.
She's such a great person.
I think she's the most honest person at NSA. She came across corruption and reported it and then started being attacked.
I think at the time she didn't realize that what she was up against was the really big deep capture of corruption at the NSA. But she is absolutely lovely and just talks freely about these issues and very, very honestly.
And I think that's exactly what we need.
But she's been hit horrifically.
And the other colleagues are Dr.
Millicent Black.
She is in Tennessee.
And she has been made, it seems like, the personal slave of a retired Air Force veteran who is torturing her for his personal entertainment and for the training.
Of other perpetrators, and is training satellites on her, and it's horrific.
So she has been crippled by these attacks, but she has been put through seer torture training, pretty much, because that's his expertise.
But instead of breaking down, she came out with a doctorate in ministry.
So imagine how many Navy SEALs come out with the doctorate.
So I think she's the biggest Navy SEAL there's ever been.
And then my other colleague, Ramola Di, she's an investigative journalist.
And when she started being attacked, she really stuck deep and put together this amazing research about what's going on.
And, you know, she is so knowledgeable.
I mean, I can't mention a single topic where she just can't, you know, tell me what's actually going on.
So, you know, she's our encyclopedia.
And then in Europe, so these three ladies are in the US, and then in Europe there's Melanie Richan in Belgium, and she has been not just implanted like I am, she's been tortured horrifically, but she also has been implanted with a strangulator.
I've interviewed her, actually, several times, and all of these people are welcome on my show.
I'd love to have all of them, so please do put the word out.
This is a very important topic, and each one probably has their own take on things that can add to it.
So yes, Melanie has...
I have a video, actually a couple of videos with her on it, and...
She is the part of the European agency I was talking about.
I don't know if she's still involved, but yeah.
And you know what?
I'm so impressed by these women because I think it seems to me that now the puzzle pieces, you know, come together.
And we're assembling all these things to really fight it.
And together we founded this joint investigation team.
And we just have a new website.
It's called jointinvestigation.org.
And what we want to do is we want to report.
It's a criminal investigation that we're running because we noticed that the police refused to investigate it and have done so for decades.
But what we have now is this prolific crime because they haven't been clearing it out of the system.
And it's just growing bigger and bigger.
And we thought, right, if the police are not going to do it, we have to do it ourselves.
And there are so many amazing projects also in the area of pedophilia and other crimes where people just crowdsource information and then put together an investigation.
For example, the entire Pizzagate investigation that was self-assembled by people.
It was amazing.
And with the speed that outdoes the police force, because it's really everybody bringing to the table what they have.
And that's pretty much what we would like to do.
So we would like to, over the next couple of weeks and months, put out information for real victims that they can print off and take to their police station and to court cases and even to their family members and say, this, now, you know, what's happening?
Here you have it black and white and it's identified by people who investigated it.
And then we would like to move to court cases and have to shut down.
Fair enough.
Well, I appreciate that.
I do want to say that, in my view, the trouble with going to the police is that that can make you an even bigger target to the police.
And local police, in some cases, are very...
They have no principles and so on.
So I would say that that could be a little dangerous.
But nonetheless, I appreciate, you know, I think people have to act on what their own instincts tell them to do.
And it may depend on where they are.
Maybe European police aren't as bad as the US police.
But, yeah, this is obviously rampant.
It's becoming more and more a problem.
Are you familiar or have you looked into artificial intelligence and the role it may be playing in this area?
So I haven't worked in artificial intelligence myself, so I worked in, you know, plastic data analysis, really.
So I'm not familiar with the fancy algorithms and all the fancy tools that they're using, not at all.
If anything, I have a vague inkling what they might be doing.
So I have seen some of those methods.
So it's not totally unfamiliar to me, but I'm not an expert.
But one of the things I can see is, number one, the illusion of huge power that AI gives people.
Because at first sight, it's a learning algorithm that seems so powerful, and you think, It can do just the learning like I can, but so much better.
And having been a data analyst for a very, very long time, that was my main job at CERN, I am very familiar with trying to solve a problem you don't know the answer to using data analysis.
And one of the things I have to say is that when you've got learning algorithms, one thing you can't really guarantee is what is it going to learn, you know?
What exactly is it going to learn?
To give you a simple anecdote of an example, I have heard, so this is just an anecdote, I don't have the actual evidence, but I've heard that they were trying to use learning algorithms, or A.I., if you like, simple versions of A.I., to figure out how to take out enemy tanks.
And, you know, the algorithm was doing marvellously, so you show it's a U.S. tank and it stays safe, and when it shows it's a foreign tank, it takes it out.
So the simulation was great.
And then when they tried to run it live, so of course you don't shoot at tanks, but you just run the computer system as if it were live, and then suddenly they realized that it was taking out American tanks and probability.
They think, hang on a second, what just happened?
And then eventually they realized that what it did is they were training the algorithm on American tanks by showing it video footage and images very clear on sunny days, you know, so you can clearly see what an American tank looks like.
And foreign tanks or foreign objects or foreign military equipment was usually photographed by stars, At night, in thought, it was murky, it wasn't really sharp.
So what the algorithm learned was take out the images that aren't sharp.
So if you run this exercise, you know, and you run it at night, the algorithm learned, oh, you mean, you know, I should take out the ones which aren't very sharp.
So boom, you know, that's not what you meant, that the machine doesn't know.
And that's a very, very simple toy example, but AI is a bit like that, you know.
If you learn something, But you have no idea.
It's actually very hard to have a mathematical grip on what you're actually doing, you know?
And it gets extremely complex, and then you as the programmer, as the mathematician, don't really know what you're actually writing down or programming.
And that's relevant because if you start having military equipment being scared by AI and we have no idea what it actually does, it's worse than having a Madcap General at the helm.
It's worse than the Dr.
Strangelove scenario, you know?
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
Good point.
Well, I think that we've been going for a while and what I want to do here is go to the chat room and see if there's any questions Questions, if you don't mind, for just a little longer and then we'll let you go.
I do think that in the future, this targeting sort of thing is also going to be very wrapped up in AI. And perhaps it's already happening and we just don't know it.
But yeah, I just wanted to bring that forward.
So thank you so much.
You know, this is, I think, very valuable for people.
And And I'm going to look in the chat.
So if you have put a question in, understand that it's hard for me to scroll backwards in the chat.
So you're going to have to put your question in again.
If you can put it in all caps, I'd appreciate it because it's easier to find with all the chat going on.
There's quite a chat room going on along this show, I have to say.
So just bear with me while I kind of try to see what's going on here.
And see if I can find a question.
Meanwhile, I was scanning down the questions as well, and I saw that somebody remarked, oh, I'm not sitting in a Friday cage today.
What's happened?
Are they letting off?
And usually I appear with an aluminium background.
Oh!
Right.
The back of my head is otherwise cooked, so people are saying, what's going on?
But the truth is, it's still in my study.
It's next door, but I thought, I'm not going to come on Gary's show.
I'm in your background, though.
You're not stupid.
All right.
Okay.
Absolutely.
Fair enough.
I mean, it's really interesting, all the things they're doing to humans.
One of the things is also radiation.
I don't know if you have tapped into that, but with Fukushima, these are man-made created disasters, and they continue, in fact.
There is reason to believe that they're probably going to create, hopefully not, an EMP or try to do an EMP attack.
That's an inside job.
This was predicted a long, long time ago by our whistleblowers, specifically Arthur Neumann, who told us that about nine or ten years ago.
Thank God it hasn't happened yet, but this is the kind of thing that we're talking about that they are capable of.
And of course, all this talk about nuclear, basically with North Korea, is where they're setting North Korea up for being the bad guy in the scenario and the one you're going to blame, but it probably won't be them.
So, let's see.
I'm not sure.
Something about in your country.
So, they're asking...
Something about what might be going on in your own country.
I don't know what country you're in at the moment, or you don't have to even say if you don't want, but do you have anything?
That's okay.
So I'm currently in Switzerland.
So I first became a target in the UK, in the United Kingdom, in England, and then I was targeted in Germany, and now I moved to Switzerland at the end of 2015.
And yes, you know, there's something we have in common between the U.S. and Europe, and that it seems to be the case that the targeting is very intense in the U.S. and Europe.
It's going on around the world, but here it is the focal point.
And all I can say about that, especially because we were talking earlier about EMP, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, this is done by the intelligence agency, executed by the intelligence agency.
But of course, there's a bigger business plan behind the entire targeting.
And every single time in history, when the intelligence agency started attacking their own country, a huge asset stripping exercise followed.
And then the question is, you know, I mean, this happened in Germany, Nazi Germany.
After that, the industry was carted off by the victors.
Then a similar asset stripping happened in communist Russia, then in communist China, and many, many other places.
And there seems to be this striking pattern that Intelligence agents start playing out.
They start attacking normal people, intellectuals, and then some huge asset-driven follows.
So from that pattern, I would say what we have in common in the West and Europe is that some asset-driven is going to come that will outdo the financial crisis.
I think that's it.
And then the question is, yes, will the PMP what they will use?
That's a very, very good question because I was thinking the other way around.
I was thinking, You know, we have a huge banking cartel.
We also have something that's called the Network of Global Corporate Control.
There's something that Karen Fudis, the ex-General Counsel of the World Bank, talks a lot about.
And that's this cartel structure in the global corporations that has been mapped by Swiss mathematicians.
And, of course, it goes without saying that the Network of Global Corporate Control and the International, the One Bank, you know, these both banks are also more The question is the syndicate.
What could an asset strip next in Europe and in the US? What is their next asset strip?
And I think it seems to be the case that in the US, I would say things like fresh water, the natural riches, forests and so on, and the billionaires.
And here, in Europe, yes, you do have some billionaires, not as many as over there, but there are huge riches in the royal household and in Switzerland.
So I'm thinking, if I'm being targeted in Switzerland by the intelligence agency, I'm going to assess what's going to happen in Switzerland.
So this viewer who was asking me about the situation in Switzerland, I could say that, well, it's the same as in the US. This is one thing that we have in common.
And then the question is, what can we do?
Asset-stripping of Switzerland.
And I would say it's the stuff that's in the bunkers.
It's in the vault.
It's the gold, you know.
It's a big Nazi loot.
A lot of it ended up here.
I think that is great.
And Switzerland has natural goods as well.
So that's based over here.
It's very similar to the US. Okay.
Well, I appreciate that, although I'm not sure how that links up with individual targeting so much.
See, I think this is something that is actually one of my quirks.
That's one of my theories that I developed.
When I started meeting a lot of targets, the first thing that strikes me is the high integrity and that there's something about them that makes them just special.
I've never met a target where I thought, oh, I don't know who that is, you know, just a nobody.
I mean, I usually don't think it was about people anyway, but you know what I mean?
Usually I'm just in awe.
I think, wow, there's something just glowing about this person.
And I suspect that what a lot of targeting is actually about, it's not that random, it's taking down key people in our society who are Give our society the resilience, the sharpness, the brilliance.
Some people execute with communicators.
They recognize their problems very quickly.
You start hammering them through the greater society.
And I always say it's like weakening a building, an edifice, before you take it down.
Yeah, that's an interesting theory, no doubt about it.
I'm getting the same question over and over in the chat.
So I want to ask you, someone, they're asking about CERN and what is known as the Mandela Effect.
So you must have heard that people think that what's going on in CERN is creating actually changing timelines, in essence, and this thing that people are calling the Mandela Effect.
Do you Do you have anything to say about that?
See, I've only recently met the Mandela Effect.
I mean, I came across, I heard it mentioned, and I think I looked it up once, and if you could just briefly summarize, was it the fact that I was suddenly, I can't remember, I think the definition I met was that you suddenly just hear mention of a particular topic.
Well, no, it's actually because some people, it started out with Mandela, as I recall, having to do with...
The fact that suddenly a lot of people thought that Mandela had died and a lot of people thought they'd heard that, whereas a lot of people, also some people, so there's sort of a split going on.
And it happens, there are videos made about this that you can watch where they have the incidents across the globe and a lot of these things are also recorded in media.
So you may have an event, for example.
The most famous one that I think of is the one that has to do with, I don't know if I can remember his name now, but it's Tom Hanks who plays this character in this movie, and there is a certain line that everyone remembered the line in a certain way.
And now, if you go back to the movie and they've proven this, the line is not what people remember.
So the question is, how is it that You know, hundreds of thousands of people can remember one line, have re-quoted it for years now since that movie.
I can't remember that guy's name that he plays this character.
This is Forrest Gump?
Yeah, Forrest Gump.
And so, you know, and how can they remember it wrong?
How can we all have remembered it wrong when in fact...
It's been rewritten somehow.
So when you have multiple timelines, I don't know if you've ever looked into multiple timelines, but the idea is that lots of timelines running parallel, that they have slight differences between the timelines, not major differences.
And so these would be those slight differences starting to crop up in lots and lots of different places.
Now, I am sure they're screwing with the And CERN, you know, CERN is, you are a person who would know this, that as a particle accelerator, etc., CERN is not alone.
In fact, my understanding is that I was told by whistleblowers that, for example, the Japanese right now are building a CERN-type thing, and that there are these things called particle accelerators all around the globe, And so that what they're doing at CERN is not just the only place they're doing it.
And I also have documented information through witnesses and so on that they are able to create what you call portals.
In fact, humans can create portals as well.
So this is not rocket science, actually.
But when, obviously, if you use a major technique to do this, like what was originally known as the Nazi bell or the hinge, This is also involved in all of this.
It harks back to Germany.
So what they can do is apparently change the timeline that we remember that we're in as well.
And so this is what they're asking you.
Okay.
See, I think that's a very good explanation.
And based on that explanation, I have to say, so...
There are a lot of theories about the nature of time and matter and so on that are explored by particle physicists and also by theoretical physicists.
And then these particle accelerators are used to test that.
And so far, we certainly haven't seen any evidence of that.
Anything that contradicts, even the Higgs boson doesn't contradict what we've known so far.
It fits right in.
And the only thing that we didn't, weren't sure about, is the exact mass.
So you tune it a bit and then you find it.
But what is described with the Mandela Effect, I have a different explanation actually.
And again, what is put out is very spectacular, very intriguing.
And then what the real explanation might be sounds weird, but it's actually much more dangerous and much more intriguing.
So my theory now, based on what I know now, what has been done to me by the intelligence agencies, I would say the Mandela Effect, as you've just described based on these two examples, both of them rely on the media, and they rely on large groups of people and what they think and remember.
And one of the things I know for sure is happening, and I've got evidence for it, is large-scale experiments with this mind technology, what's called synthetic telepathy, or, you know, theming certain You know, electromagnetic frequencies into the head or sometimes also beaming sound into people's heads who might have a chip but they don't know.
For example, I've now actually measured the almost microwave frequency emissions, mobile phone emissions from the chip in my ear, so I know there's a chip in there.
But I also heard, once when I was hurt, I heard an entire sentence set into my ear.
And it sounds literally like as if you just have headphones.
You know, you put your headphone in and you hear a sound.
But there was no headphone.
So then I thought, oh, hang on a minute.
I put a little microphone in my ear.
Okay.
So it's not hearing voices, you know, saying strange stuff.
It was actually a German agent in German, you know, giving me a command, like, get up and open the door.
You know?
I thought, who just said that?
And then you feel the burn in your ear and so on.
But before they set off the chip so that it actually hurts, and before they spoke in, I didn't realize I had a chip in my ear.
And I have no recollection of any sort of surgery, and we know that they come in at night.
So I would suspect if you wanted to create a Mandela effect, all you would have to do is use Twitter, find people who are very well connected in their tweeting and so on.
And put a chip in their ear and maybe whisper into his ear through the ear microphone at night that Mandela has died and he will just tweet it or he will tweet it later.
And then you can run it because these intelligence agencies love social experiments.
They want to control us, right?
So they want to find out how can they scatter information so that we don't notice it's safe.
And to me, the Mandela effect sounds like one big fat experiment by these people, you know?
And, you know, also with this thing about Forrest Gump, I mean, maybe they did that and maybe they did change the movie.
Yes, I mean, Hollywood is just full of people.
So that's how I would, you know, on one hand, it's really boring.
It's not timelines.
But on the other hand, it's just, oh, my God, people are chipped, you know?
Oh, my God, we get stuff beamed into our heads.
I mean, that's even worse.
You know, I wish there were timelines.
Absolutely.
Well, that's one explanation and we can't rule it out.
I mean, mind control and mass mind control is a major issue.
So in that way you could mass, you know, get people remembering one thing.
And also planting it in the media.
Also in, you know, this is a very old technique, what they call subliminal advertising.
So in subliminal advertising, you have actually, they knew this back in, I think it was the 50s, where they actually can implant in, you know, if flickering, you can be watching a film and they're implanting All kinds of commands and things.
And of course, the Manchurian Candidate, I think that movie shows it very well.
There's also that thing that's called...
Is it called...
No, there's a movie.
I can't remember the name of it.
Anyway.
But the idea is that in your reading an ad and actually what is in the pixelated thing that you can't see with your normal eye and the way the brain...
It decodes an image, so to speak.
But it's actually picking up what's embedded in it.
So they can embed it in images, in flickering images, in movies.
This is, of course, something they've been doing forever.
You know, like saying, you're hungry, or something.
You know, go buy cookies, or whatever it is.
You know, this kind of stuff.
And of course, this is also how they can, you know, through tonal things like tones in like radio advertisements and television and so on.
So that gets into that whole area, I would say.
And none of that should be overlooked as a very real possibilities for things that they can do.
It's so dangerous, isn't it?
Because imagine, I mean, we always think, I love the examples you brought up because, you know, we all understand that it's being given a command of buy this ice cream now.
You know, you're sitting in a cinema and buy this ice cream and then they flash the image of a wonderful ice cream and you think, oh, I really want an ice cream.
But imagine they start doing that with, you know, vote for this person.
Why not sell all your shares?
Why not buy these shares?
Why not sell your house?
Why not move?
Yeah, and there comes that sound again, right?
So they're freaked out.
Obviously, that's what they're doing.
So that was not smart.
See, that sound comes out and just tells us what you think is important.
You understand it works both ways, right?
Exactly.
Oh my God, they're telling us to do all these things.
It's true.
Yeah, they're actually telling you to buy and share shares and that's how they're commanding the market.
And that's how we're going to get a crash in September.
That's the latest thing going around, of course, is that we're having a major crash in September.
So you have to watch how they're going to create that.
Because, you know, that's what they do.
They implant also memes.
You understand?
You know about memes.
I think people underestimate the power of what they call memes.
Putting these ideas in the...
An idea is like a living thing.
It's just as, you know, vibrant and, you know, living as anything else.
And so once you put this idea into the public consciousness, it takes on a life of its own and it can create a kind of a programming effect on large masses of people as well.
So that's another thing.
And they want something to happen in the future.
What they do is they want to steal your energy to make it happen.
So that's a very black magician side of this.
So that leads me to another question.
And then I think I'm going to let you go, even though people want to talk to you.
So there's lots of, you know, demand to talk to you.
So it's good.
You might even consider doing another one of these.
I certainly would host it or whatever, but where we just do nothing but call-ins.
But at any rate, I just want to say that this kind of thing where they are actually going in and changing the future by implanting information and using black magicians to also be instrumental in all of that.
Have you come across...
You know, the satanic side of it and the black magician side.
I have come across the satanic signaling everywhere.
So, for example, when I went to the High Court, I received a covert death threat.
You know, I was traveling to the High Court and somebody suddenly said, you know, we're just chatting.
And then his pastor said, oh, there's crime in every country, but in some, it's very well hidden.
And he repeated it twice.
And then later on he said, did they kill Diana?
You know, just the blue, when you're traveling to London to see British intelligence.
And the assumption is that British intelligence killed Diana.
He said, oh, yeah.
And then three days later, I survived an assassination attempt, and immediately, the next day, there was this, and still is, this huge life-size black plastic coat on the roof opposite my home that I can see from almost every room.
And then you think, oh, what's this?
And then, you know, bit by bit, sometimes it has something that looks like a flat antenna on top, although I'm not sure if that's what it is.
Maybe that's what I meant to think.
But then talking to a lot of victims, I figured out, oh, this is meant to be a satanic symbol.
It's meant to be baffling, most likely.
And my colleague Melanie Richard, she has a projection of a devil's head projected onto a block of flats opposite her.
It's just ridiculous.
And at first you think, ooh, it's meant to scare you and it's meant to project hard.
And then, I think the best antidote is always to think what they least want to think.
And you just have to think, this is ridiculous.
You just have to laugh.
Every single time they try to scare you, you have to laugh your head off.
Really.
I think that's the best antidote.
And they certainly are trying to be much more powerful than they want to be, and they have a lot of tricks up this.
A lot of it is actually, I would say, psychology and physics.
It's supposed to be black magic, but they're certainly trying to get into people's heads and affect them, you know?
And what you mentioned means, yeah, like viruses, aren't they?
They spread from person to person.
And they have put out a lot of really viral and bad thoughts and bad ideas.
And this entire satanic ideology is part of it.
For me, this entire Satanism is now the newest thing.
You know, before it was, oh, We have to put out some really good viruses, I would say.
Some good means.
Something that really sticks and is contagious.
Yeah, in a positive way.
Well, that's one way to do that is to realize that, first of all, someone's asking how they implant chips, and I have to say, yes, they use surgery, but they also have other ways now to implant a chip.
There is information on the web about that.
Certainly you can answer that question.
But there is also the power of humanity, and this is what scares them.
So the reason they have to do all of this, and they're devising more and more weapons to deal with humanity, is because the light is growing and the power of humanity is growing.
and your intelligence and everything else and all the DNA is being activated in and these are the positive means that we can put out there and understand that this is why it's happening in other words I always tell people if you were just sort of dumb cattle they would put you in a pen lock you up and walk away throw away the key they wouldn't have to keep experimenting on you if you weren't this incredibly complex It's a perplexing, unpredictable being.
You are totally unpredictable, and they just need every inch of intelligence to try to figure you out, and they still haven't done it.
So that should tell you everything you need to know about our capabilities.
But what would you say about the implanted chips?
And then we're going to have to close this down.
So I think you're absolutely right.
They use surgery.
In fact, if people go to my website, stop007.org, at the very bottom, there's a little case of evidence.
And the first bit of evidence I uploaded was actually the surgical star on my navel that just magically appeared a few years ago.
And below that is the video where I actually show that I've got electro-necognition that the bug detected was not so bad.
You can just see that, yes, they use surgery.
But these days, there's a lot of nanotechnology around and a lot of kits.
And I think I have seen some good evidence and certainly a lot of information that, you know, circumstantial evidence that they are putting into the vaccine because they want to control the next generation.
And that is horrific because I'll tell you why.
Because the first gut reaction, and I should say there's a difference Because in Europe, there are still few vaccines for children, but in the US, there's an incredible amount of vaccines.
And then you can really see the difference of what they have done to the US. That's not quite so bad in Europe.
But my mother is a pediatrician, and she, you know, practicing in Europe, she can still see a horrific injury and horrific illnesses.
She knows what it's like when you're not vaccinated.
I mean, they're tetanus.
It's horrific!
And she has seen parents watch their child die in the most horrific way you can imagine.
You know?
And she says, it's such a horrible thing.
There's certain illness that wants to get them after a certain time.
There's nothing without just anything.
And tetanus is one of them, and it's one of the most common ones.
So, what this incredible crime cartel has actually done is that they have changed the vaccine.
I'm not talking about the fancy ones.
Okay, you're becoming garbled.
Sorry, you're becoming garbled again.
So if you can just be a little closer and clear.
Yes, so you're saying they're attacking vaccines and their vaccines are notoriously bad.
And that's exactly it because we've now taken away this thought that vaccines are notoriously bad.
But I was just explaining, and I think that's why they gobbled it up, because I was explaining, my mother is a pediatrician, and in practicing in Eastern Europe, she actually still saw some unvaccinated kids die of some of these standard things we vaccinate for.
For example, tetanus.
And it's one of the most horrific things, because medicine, even today, after a certain point when you get it and you're not vaccinated, there's nothing medicine can do for you.
You will just die.
And there are horrific illnesses out there that we need vaccines for, and we need to vaccinate children for some.
I'm not saying all fancy nonsense, but by tainting vaccines, they program humans to say, oh, all vaccines are bad.
Because right now, they might very well be, because they put chips in you.
But, you know, what we have to do is we have to scan the vaccines for chips.
And if you find a chip, we have to so obliterate the company that put it there that they are wiped from the surface of the earth.
And all people who are involved need to be locked up because they have tainted one of the things we actually rely on, you know.
And right now we have this funny situation where it is fairly safe and we're not harmed by these deadly diseases because most of us are vaccinated.
But if you don't vaccinate your child for tetanus, for example, because your parent and you were vaccinated and you never got tetanus and you don't know that much about medicine, and your child gets tetanus, which it can through just dirt, it's horrific.
It's horrific.
And that's where the satanic element comes in by tainting the stuff that's essential, like drinking water.
You know, we can't turn away from drinking water.
And we cannot turn away from some vaccines.
And yes, it's true.
There's lots of garbage.
But that's what's so terrible.
And that's why I'm saying, and now I'm appealing to all your listeners, you know, towards now that we're coming to an end, is that this is a race against time.
And solutions are not simple.
It's not, oh, let's get rid of all the vaccines.
It's actually really complex.
You have to do forensics.
You have to do a criminal investigation.
We all have to swat up on science, and a lot of people like that at school.
But the truth is that each one of us has to put their beds at the bottom of this, lock these criminals up, and make us all safe.
So we all have to learn a bit of medicine and a bit of physics, and we can't leave it to others.
And then just to finish off on a positive note, I think one of the things that science can bring us I personally think it's the mathematics of networks, the mathematics of human networks.
Our networks with the internet are now so complex and so powerful, actually the mathematics describing them in detail with regards to complex networks is not that actually explored in every last detail.
In other words, we don't even know how powerful networks are yet.
That's right.
And I think that's what's going to save us.
So if you have any sort of problem, it could be targeting, it could be financial or anything else, I think your savior is to connect with others, to help you or to understand you as quickly as possible and help others in whatever way you can.
Absolutely.
Well, I agree with that totally.
So, it's wonderful to have you here.
And like I say, please extend my invitation to your friends and contacts.
And if they want to come on the show, they should contact me.
And we can do this.
We can also do...
It's possible to have more than one guest at a time.
It's possible we could have more than, you know, several.
And that might be really interesting for people.
So...
Thank you so much again for coming on the show.
Thanks everyone for watching and listening.
And we will try to put up another version that has also the recorded audio so that if there's any issue on the YouTube video with a sound that it will be better on my recorded version.
But I also will say that if somebody wants to transcribe this, they can let me know and send me a transcription That we can post on the website for people.
So, you know, just in case, you know, people really just can't understand us for some reason.
All right.
So thanks very much.
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So my website is stop007.org.
That is my personal website, and it joins investigation.org.
I just want to thank you, Carrie, because it's such an honor to be on your show.
You have no idea how much you've given humanity.
And yes, talking so much.
I'm very fast-struck.
So thank you very, very much.
All right.
Thank you so much for coming on the show again.
And it's been great to have you here.
So again, thank you, everyone.
Thanks for listening.
And let me see.
I'll close this down and see what we do here.
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