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June 12, 2017 - Project Camelot

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MICHAEL SCHRATT - AEROSPACE ALLEY 2017

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And we're doing an update.
	We try to get together at least once a year, if not more often.
	And Michael is really a fabulous aerospace historian and researcher.
	And he's going to share with us his latest finds, his investigations.
	He does interviews in the aerospace community.
	We'll roll from here and see what you got.
	Thanks, Carrie Neal.
	Thank you very much for taking the time to meet with me as our annual meeting here.
	And I thought what we'd do today is pick up where we left off about six months ago.
	When we were talking about the military industrial complex, Southern California area, specifically something called Aerospace Alley, which is really the heart of the military industrial complex.
	That's all the way from Southern San Diego up to Los Angeles, and then heading up the 14 to Lancaster, Palmdale, Antelope Valley area, That is the heart of the military-industrial complex, talking about Air Force Plant 42.
	Absolutely.
	And this is what we visited together as a unified team, which was great.
	And that's what I wanted to really talk about today.
	But before we start, I just want to state that there absolutely is a black world landscape out there.
	I'm talking about a level of technology that the general public just isn't aware of, and these are things that are Above congressional oversight, have no public scrutiny, but there is a tapestry, there's a black landscape out there, and I've tried to make it my goal to penetrate that landscape and see what we can find out from government sources, from people that you've interviewed as well, and just trying to track what these things are.
	So the best thing to do then, is to take it up Plant 42 here into something called the Specific Plan Plant 10 Palmdale and of course what did I do?
	I went to the Palmdale Library and I pulled up the land plot survey for Air Force Plant 42 and you'll find out That when you do that, this is what you see right here.
	So you can see here's the map going up to 14 Antelope Valley Plant 42 locations.
	So if you want to know where your tax dollars are going, all you have to do is drive around Air Force Plant 42 and you'll see that There's multiple aerospace contractors out there that are doing a tremendous amount of interesting research.
	These are the different companies here.
	You've got Plates, Site 1, Site 2.
	This is Plant 10.
	This is where Lockheed is.
	So, to make this very simple, Lockheed has a facility there.
	Northrop has a facility there.
	Boeing has a facility there.
	There's others as well, but those are the three prime aerospace contractors that have action going on at Air Force Plant 42.
	So when you drill down further into this document, you'll see this is the layout of Plant 10.
	This is the Skunk Works.
	And keep in mind, 85% of what the Skunk Works does is classified.
	The remaining percentage You know, that might be something that you could find out.
	But you're never going to find out about the 85%.
	Just not going to happen.
	But what we want to look at is Building 601.
	Building 601 is where all the magic happens.
	That's where a significant amount of medium-sized classified aircraft are assembled At the Lockheed Skunk Works plant.
	Now, they used to be in Burbank.
	This is when Kelly Johnson was building at Skunk Works facility.
	Later, Ben Rich took over the Skunk Works between 1975 and 1991.
	Now, in the mid-90s, they moved from Burbank and they moved to Palmdale for a number of environmental issues.
	But this is the document that shows you the breakdown.
	Here's Building 601, Building 602, Building 604, Maintenance Building.
	Building 605, Warehouse, and on and on.
	It just shows you that this is the layout here.
	So, how do we track this further?
	How do we make this visual?
	I'm going to introduce you to my stealth patch collection.
	And when you have a patch, you're talking about a real program.
	They don't make a patch for things that generally don't exist, but they might make a patch for something that's unacknowledged, but they're not going to make a patch for something that doesn't exist.
	So when you see a patch, it means a real program.
	So we're going to break this down.
	We're going to start at the top.
	We're going to work our way down here.
	And at the upper level here, we have all the X-planes.
	You know, a basic X-plane was the X-1.
	This is October 14, 1947.
	Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier in the X-1.
	Now, we've progressed through all those initial X-planes, the X-2, the X-3.
	Here you see over here, X-37.
	X-51 Scramjet Engine Demonstration Wave Rider X-51 Mach 6 Plus 412 Test Wing Hypersonic Flight Test We're going to talk about Challenger January 28, 1986.
	We're really going to drill down on Challenger.
	I'm not going to let these guys off the hook.
	And these contractors think they can get away with it.
	X-38 was a recovery system, an emergency egress system.
	If there was a problem with the International Space Station, they'd be using that program.
	Boeing X-37 is that thing we've all heard about, that super secret Boeing program.
	That's the X-37.
	The X-30 NASP, National Aerospace Plane, was supposed to be this Mach 30 Oriental Express that Reagan had introduced right around the time of the Back to the Future movie.
	Didn't go anywhere, allegedly.
	X-34 and then Hyper X-34.
	So just give you a cross-section of the X-planes.
	Something to keep much important in mind here is that whenever you hear about an X-plane, like X2 or X50 or X47, and I've got this from at least two different sources, there are twice as many X-planes as being reported.
	So if you hear about X50, we're already at X100. We could be at X120, don't know for sure, but there are twice as many X-planes as actually being reported.
	Now we'll move on to the second section here.
	This is the stealth, kind of, half-blue area, Lockheed Skunk Works.
	Basically, after the Vietnam War, a call went out to the aerospace defense contractors to figure out how they could reduce the radar cross-signature of their attack aircraft.
	And basically, they ran a competition.
	The primary competitors turned out to be McDonnell Douglas and Northrop.
	Lockheed originally wasn't involved in this program, but they eventually entered later.
	And it turned out that Lockheed and Northrop were then the final two contractors for something called Project Harvey, which is the origin point for stealth aircraft technology.
	Now, as you know, Lockheed won the contract and eventually built the F-117A stealth fighter.
	Their prototype for the F-117A was something called Have Blue.
	Prior to that, it was called the Hopeless Diamond.
	This was under the direction of Ben Rich at the Skunk Works.
	The competitor to Have Blue was something called Northrop XST. That stands for Experimental Survivable Testbed.
	Now, they lost the contract for the stealth fighter, but the government personally told Lockheed to stay in the loop, and they did, and they eventually won the contract for the Northrop B-2 stealth bomber.
	So what I've tried to do here, and we'll put this on hold really briefly, is just give a quick visual aid of what we're talking about with the Northrop XST. So this is the Northrop XST, and you'll see it kind of has the same faceted flat plate technology that have Blue U's, although they have an overhead air intake for the XST, which is something that Lockheed didn't have on their version.
	So we're talking about vintage 1974, 1975, Half blue first flew at Groom Lake in 1977.
	Now, next thing to keep in mind is, according to the military-industrial complex, Why build one when you can build two at twice the price?
	And so that's what they've done.
	Whenever you hear about something that the aerospace community is building, they always build two so they can charge the taxpayer twice as much.
	And so that's what we've done here.
	We've made a double-sized version of Northrop XST. And if anyone would like to get a copy of the blueprints, I'll be more than happy to give it to you free of charge so you can build your own.
	And, you know, just so that you can have something to hold in your hand.
	Okay, so we'll move on to the second group here.
	Grim Reapers.
	Squadron of F-117s.
	F-117 flight test.
	Okay, you're talking about two and a paw test range.
	You're talking about Area 51.
	You're talking about the origin points of where this is actually going on.
	Stealth Fighter Squadron, Team Nighthawk.
	This is actually a Lockheed Skunk Works patch that you can get from Lockheed when it absolutely positively has to be there overnight.
	Team Stealth.
	So they're talking about more than just the F-117.
	What could be the other aircraft that would fall under the jurisdiction of Team Stealth?
	SR-71, Tier 3 Minus Program, YouTube Program.
	We rule the night.
	So really, during that time frame, vintage 1980s, they absolutely did rule the night.
	6,000 flight tests, Night Stalkers, another F-117 squadron.
	And we have Desert Storm.
	Hey Saddam, guess who's coming to dinner?
	Okay, so that was done under the F-117 program.
	Now on this one, we've got the intelligence community.
	So we'll start at the left.
	U.S. Special Projects, and then we've got this interesting iconology here.
	What they do in these patches is they secretly encrypt symbols into these patches.
	And if you can elucidate and you can decrypt the symbols, then you can figure out what they're trying to say in the patch.
	And that's the key to these patches.
	So if we'll start over here, you have Merlin, and then you've got a lightning bolt, and then you've got him carrying something.
	And this is a tapestry That runs throughout a lot of these patches, and we'll get into it.
	Boeing Phantom Works Bird of Prey.
	This was originally a McDonnell Douglas program.
	It was later bought by Boeing.
	And you'll see here that the handle of this sword is kind of a strange-looking handle.
	Actually, it's the top view of the aircraft itself, but people didn't know that back then.
	No one knew that this is what the aircraft actually looked like.
	This is long before it was declassified October 2002 under the Bush administration.
	So just keep in mind, they secretly embed things in here and then we find out about it later.
	Now this is an interesting patch.
	It's a very simple patch.
	Red background with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 stripes and 1 in the stars and 1 in the center.
	So 5 and 1, that stands for Area 51.
	This is what the pilots wear on their flight suits.
	When they're testing aircraft like tacit blue at Area 51.
	So that's what that is.
	United States, America's intelligence community.
	Again, you see this phantom type guy that we'll talk about later.
	Now this one is credit Peter Merlin, who is probably the premier aerospace researcher and knows more about these patches than anyone on the planet.
	There's no question about it.
	Peter Merlin is the best.
	Now this is something that he put together as kind of a united coalition Putting everything into one and so we'll break it down here.
	50 years of flight test, 1955-2005, Groom Lake, Nevada.
	So he's talking about Air Force Flight Test Center Detachment 3.
	That is the actual name for Area 51.
	Area 51 is an offshoot Or a detachment of Edwards Air Force Base.
	So we'll go up on the top here.
	You see a long plane with glider-like wings.
	That's the U-2 spy plane.
	Then you see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 1 star.
	5-1 Area 51.
	Over on the top here, you've got a cloud sending out lightning bolts, right?
	Well, they're not lightning bolts.
	It's EW electronic warfare, okay?
	Goblin here is another squadron for the F117. The Greek symbol theta is what they use for calculating radar cross signature in the mathematical coefficients.
	This is the parabolic dish that they use to Actually measure the radar cross signature.
	51, you have a Scorpion down here, which is another squadron of F-117s.
	Here you have the Boeing Phantom Works Bird of Prey making a left sweeping turn.
	That's this aircraft right here.
	Below him you have a Beep Beep Roadrunner.
	That stands for the Roadrunners.
	That's the group of U-2 spy pilots and SR-71 pilots.
	And over here you have a whale, that was the codename or nickname for Northrop Tacid Blue, which was the predecessor to the B-2 stealth bomber.
	And so that's the iconology here on this one.
	Alien reproduction vehicle, the Fluxliner top secret.
	This falls under the jurisdiction of Mark McCandlish, so I will relinquish it to them.
	But just as a brief overview, there were allegedly three of these aircraft hovering off the floor at Norton Air Force Base November the 12th, 1988.
	There were a number of other aircraft at this exhibit.
	This exhibit was to garner support for black programs.
	These particular craft were operating on the principles of accessing the quantum zero point fluctuations of the vacuum, so they're using zero point energy, and they have the capability of going to light speed or better, and that's all we'll say about that.
	Groom Lake Dreamland Test Flight Area 51.
	This is done by Jim Goodall.
	In God we trust United States Intelligence.
	All others we monitor.
	So we're talking about NRO, NSA, CIA, Department of Naval Intelligence.
	They have a group here too.
	Now we'll move on to this one.
	And we can think about what's actually happening here.
	You see a goblin-type phantom in a cloak with a hat.
	Carrying a stick in his hand, right?
	And then it says N-K-A-W-T-G dot dot dot dot dot nobody.
	What in the world does that stand for?
	Well, if you look closely, he's not just carrying a stick.
	In point of fact, he is carrying a refueling boom off of a KC-135 or a KC-10.
	What this stands for is, nobody kicks ass without tanker gas nobody.
	That's what that stands for.
	So what that means is, for the people who are initiated into these programs, is that nobody flies, not even the secret aircraft, without the tanker support.
	And that's true.
	And so that's why they have their own patch.
	NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, didn't even know about it until years later.
	We'll move on to Joint STARS Unmanned Program, Strategic Defense Initiative, this is Reagan's Star Wars, March 23rd, 1983.
	Global Vigilance, the replacements, okay?
	And you have these unmanned aerial vehicles, and then you have a Terminator skull.
	This is indicative of remotely piloted vehicles, so they're getting away from using pilots.
	That's the direction they're going here.
	4450 Tactical Group, that's F-117.
	Hypersonic, Mach 5 +, U-2 spy plane, that was a Lockheed program obviously, 1955-2005.
	50th Anniversary Groom Lake.
	Lockheed Martin Plant Protection Skunk Works.
	This is Seekers Flight Test.
	This is a Scaled Composites Program.
	X-48C. We'll move down here to this group here.
	Desert Prawler.
	These are kind of F-117s in this group.
	Spirit of America.
	B-2 Stealth Bombers are all named after states.
	Lockheed Skunk Works.
	Originally Burbank, now Palndale.
	U.S. Air Force B-2 Stealth Bomber.
	Rolled out November 22, 1988.
	And then flew on July 17, 1989 at the cost of $2.3 billion per taxpayer per aircraft.
	We'll move over here to ANAPR-50, Safe Passage Lockheed Martin, Shuttle Carrier, and Cara, you saw this when we went to Air Force Plant 42.
	That's now retired and over at Air Force Plant 42.
	Spirit of Texas, another F-117 squadron, and this just kind of gives you a brief overview of some of the aircraft tested within the military industrial complex.
	Excellent.
	Fabulous.
	You do talk about the ARV, and this is also Gordon Novell.
	You know, he has passed on.
	He was involved in putting together a team.
	Actually, Mark McCandlish was part of that team, at least initially, from my memory.
	I don't know if he stayed part of it.
	I don't know, you know, there was some contentious goings on there.
	But Gordon Novell was very involved in the ARV project.
	Correct.
	That's true.
	Okay, and trying to get funding and get off the ground with his own version of that, let's say.
	But clearly there had been other ARVs built before Gordon got involved.
	Well, absolutely.
	If we are to believe the photo from Harvey Williams, 1966 in Provo, Utah, It was flying prior to 1966.
	So, you know, we have to extrapolate that data and think about what did Neil talk about when he said that it's time to remove one of True's protective layers.
	Maybe he knew something.
	Maybe he knew that there were other vehicles that were way beyond the Saturn V prior to the launch of Apollo 11.
	That's what I want to talk about.
	Why are we still using liquid rockets when the V2 was flying in World War II in 1944 by the Germans, and yet we're still using liquid rockets over 70 years later?
	I mean, really, this is a joke.
	This is the cover projects.
	You know, this is NASA, never a straight answer.
	This is the cover-up.
	Elon Musk has to be, in some form or fashion, you know, a cover project.
	And I wonder if he even knows about these other programs or if he has a need to know.
	Well, he's a smart guy.
	He's a smart guy, right.
	How could he not know B-Access?
	He could watch Camelot all day and all night and, you know, educate himself along with other places.
	You know, I think probably he knows...
	What's his name?
	Robert...
	Bigelow?
	Bigelow, yeah.
	You know, Bigelow's involved really going, I think, goes black at this time.
	But Bigelow may be communicating with him.
	There's other people.
	We're talking about Branson.
	Branson may be read in.
	You know, what do you do with somebody who's out there trying to go against you, trying to one-up you?
	Do you bring them under the roof of all of what you want?
	You know, in other words, bring them alongside, make them part of the cover-up.
	Even if they don't know it, turn them into an asset.
	This is the type of thing they do.
	Yeah, okay.
	I would agree with that.
	Let's move on to what I believe is the premier UFO sighting case in all of history.
	We're talking about the Hudson Valley boomerang sightings.
	This is only 40 miles north of downtown New York City.
	Between 1982 and 1989, upwards of 25,000 eyewitnesses reported a gigantic boomerang or chevron-shaped craft with kind of a triangle trailing edge.
	It was hovering silently over the Taconic State Parkway It was shining down a powerful spotlight.
	It was hovering.
	It was silent.
	Some people said it had a low frequency electrical humming noise about it.
	It had multicolored flashing lights that flashed off in sequence.
	They weren't just haphazard.
	So the reds would go off, the blues would go off, the greens would go off, the yellows and the whites.
	So there was an intelligent design.
	Over here I've got a schematic Of what happened here on March 24, 1983, when the Hudson Valley Boomerang was making its way north from Millwood over to Yorktown Heights, following the Taconic State Parkway, making a zig-zag motion.
	But then, as it parked itself over the freeway, It made a turn, okay?
	And this is the part that's critical because there's two camps of research on the Hudson Valley Boomerang.
	It's so interesting because these are the most significant sightings in almost all of history and almost nobody knows anything about it because this is talking about 30 years ago, 1982.
	We're so far away from this that so many people have forgotten about this case.
	It's just interesting.
	But what I want to point out is We're talking about thousands of people pulled off to the side of the road, slammed on their brakes, got out of their car, and were shocked and awe-inspired to see this gigantic boomerang-shaped craft hovering over the freeway and just parking itself there.
	And here's the point.
	When it was making a turn and it stopped over the freeway and it was hovering, completely motionless, when this thing turned, it didn't bank like the B2 would, right?
	It didn't make a banking turn.
	How this thing turned?
	It turned flat, like on a turntable, like on a record player, okay?
	Like it was a pinwheel, a flat turn with no bank angle.
	And that's the part that rules out the ultralights.
	Because number one, according to the FAA, you're not supposed to fly ultralights 30 minutes after sunset.
	That's rule number one.
	Number two is all ultralights have a two-cycle Rotax engine, which is very loud.
	You can hear this five miles away.
	This thing was dead silent.
	And number three is this thing hovered like 20 feet above treetop level.
	It's not going to happen with an ultralight.
	You're not going to get an ultralight, a group of Cessnas to hover 20 feet above the trees and shine down powerful spotlights and keep formation and keep in mind I've got the lighting schematic in here too.
	When this thing did make a rotation, eyewitnesses said that the lights embedded in this craft looked as though they were embedded in concrete as this thing rotated.
	There was no differentiation between the spacing on the light.
	They were absolutely rock solid as this thing turned flat like on a turntable.
	You just can't get that with aircraft flying in formation.
	You just can't do it.
	Because if you have five aircraft flying in formation and you're making a turn, the aircraft on the right have to increase speed, the aircraft on the left have to decrease speed in order to maintain spacing.
	But now if you make a flat turn, the aircraft over here actually have to go backwards.
	That would stall the wing.
	A fleet of planes would fall out of the sky.
	It's just not going to happen.
	You're not going to get planes to do that.
	So we'll start over here on the left.
	What you're looking at here is a very nice scale model that was done by Tony Gonzalez.
	And this is a photograph of him here.
	And he's kind of an unsung hero.
	He didn't really get the credit he deserved, but he's the first one who made the possible link between what you see here on the original Norfolk B-2 stealth bomber prior to 1983 And the actual B-2 that we see today.
	This was what the B-2 was supposed to look like, but the Air Force changed its mind kind of like midway through the development program.
	They said that they no longer wanted a high-altitude bombing platform, but they also wanted the capability to go down really low and do a nap of the earth mission and sneak in between and under the radar net.
	And so they had to strengthen the wing in 1983.
	So it went from this design to this design and that cost American taxpayers one billion dollars to do that redesign.
	But what's funny is this is what was reported by all the Hudson Valley boomerang witnesses.
	They reported a chevron boomerang shaped craft with a triangle trailing edge identical to what the original B2 looked like.
	They also said that the bottom of this craft It had tubes, pipes, and cylinders on the bottom of it.
	I'm going to repeat that again.
	Tubes, pipes, and cylinders.
	It was a very mechanical looking understructure on the bottom of this vehicle.
	Some claimed it looked like a Midas muffler plant turned upside down.
	Just very crazy.
	Now, what I've tried to do is I've tried to track the historical legacy of this mechanical understructure.
	And it's the same understructure that you see on the Hudson Valley Boomerang, also on the January 5th, 2000 Southern Illinois Triangle case.
	It's the same tubes, pipes, and cylinders that were seen on March 13, 1997 Phoenix Lights case and also on the 1989 and 1990 Belgium Triangle.
	All had tubes, pipes, and cylinders on the bottom of the craft, which is very interesting.
	And I've got 10 others beyond those.
	They also said that it had translucent or transparent panels On the bottom of the crafting, this is something that Tony captured in his model.
	And I was able to talk to his widow and she let me take photographs.
	I was fantastic.
	This is just a piece of art right here.
	This is the only one of its kind in the world.
	This guy was a genius.
	What he did is he modeled this thing in fiberglass and he's got hair dryers inside here.
	This whole thing is electrically lit up.
	The thing lights up at night and it hovers with a stand but he's got all the lighting exactly how it was seen by the eyewitnesses and this thing can rotate On a dime and do a flat turn, just like the eyewitnesses reported.
	This thing is worth a billion dollars.
	You will never see another model like this.
	He's no longer with us, but credit has to go to Tony for making the connection to what might be something that Northrop was going.
	I have another theory of what it might be, but he has to get the credit.
	Down here, UFOs from USA, it's possible.
	It's certainly possible.
	We talked about the redesign.
	1983 version, this is what you see at your local air show.
	Over here is the Taconic State Park where we talked about the overflight, March 24, 1983.
	Now, this is a very key, significant date.
	Why?
	Because one day earlier, on March 23, 1983, that's when Ronald Reagan gave his address to the nation For the funding of the SDI or Star Wars program.
	One day later, we have these huge sightings over the Taconic State Freeway.
	Is there a connection?
	And that's what I want to talk about.
	The possible connection between what Reagan was doing with SDI and what was going on in the Hudson Valley and what the actual application and purpose of the Hudson Valley boomerang.
	I think I may have figured it out.
	I may have figured it out.
	And we're going to talk about it.
	Over here you see what was seen by Monique O'Driscoll and her daughter.
	This is right around February 16, 1983.
	Her daughter's name was Monique as well.
	They were in a car going down near the White Pond area.
	This is not too far from Brewster, New York.
	And she saw a light coming.
	Eventually what she saw was a large boomerang shaped craft.
	And it had multicolored flashing lights.
	It had a spotlight in the bottom.
	This thing parked itself over the frozen lake, which is what you see right here.
	And she said she could see the tubes, pipes, and cylinders on the bottom of the craft, just like what you see in this version.
	But she also said it had vents on it.
	It had multicolored flashing lights.
	And when this thing turned, it made the identical turn as the one over the Taconic State Parkway.
	A flat turn, no banking, and absolutely completely silent.
	You just don't get that with stunt pilots flying in formation.
	Just not going to happen.
	Period.
	Just not going to happen.
	So we have her case on file.
	Over here you can see the different multicolored flashing lights on the bottom of the Hudson Valley boomerang.
	Even Stanton Friedman, no less than Stanton Friedman, stated that wings on an extraterrestrial spacecraft could only be decoration.
	Direct quote from Stanton Friedman.
	So even he is on board.
	Thinking that this looks like a man-made technology.
	And we are being played, we are being hoodwinked in a number of cases by the military-industrial complex claiming that these are extraterrestrial spacecraft when in point of fact they are our own deep black programs.
	Now this is borne out by Bill Scott.
	Who's the former Rocky Mountain editor of Aviation Week Space Technology, who's probably more in tune and read into black programs than anyone within the aerospace community.
	Period.
	Bill Scott is at the top.
	There's no question about it.
	And he was told that when you go to your supermarket and you read those tabloids and you hear about all these crazy things in the tabloids, That's based on sightings that people may have seen, and the next day they printed in the tabloids to discredit the actual sighting of one of our vehicles.
	And so, what he was told is that this has worked for 50 years.
	Why would we stop now?
	And that's what they do.
	That is the mandate of the CIA, the NRO, the intelligence community, the Deep Black Program, government contractors.
	This is their mandate to lie, deny, and deceive at the cost of American taxpayers.
	And it's our job to Decrypt this and penetrate their technology.
	So, here you have Hudson Valley Boomerang.
	This is Monique O'Driscoll, February 26, 1983.
	Tubes, pipes, and cylinders.
	This thing was seen all around the Hudson Valley, Brewster, Buchanan.
	That's where the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant is.
	This is July 24, 1984, when a gigantic, shaved-in-half ice cream cone was hovering over the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor No.
	3 for over 20 minutes.
	We have it confirmed.
	That no less than 12 security guards were eyewitness to this event and they had shotguns drawn and a helicopter gunship was called on sight.
	So this has been confirmed.
	Very significant sighting.
	Questions fly over Putnam, UFO, Danbury, Connecticut.
	Hundreds claim to have seen UFO. Local UFOs call it historical and interesting.
	Here's the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor.
	This is what the sighting look right here.
	So again, Hudson Valley Boomerang, between 82 and 89, over 25,000 eyewitnesses.
	Probably the most significant case in ufology.
	Okay, the Hudson Valley, the nuclear siding.
	I'm wondering, though, what are our craft doing flying over our nuclear plant, getting photographed, etc.?
	Again, it can be set up for what we call an alien invasion.
	Scenario if they want to use that kind of thing that is threatening our nuclear power plants or something of that nature.
	So I can see where the cover-up could happen there.
	I can say also that what you're describing here does match our siding on the deck.
	Oh really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	In my mind, what you're saying are, in essence, the bottom of this craft, the light shining through it, you said it was all lit up.
	Yeah.
	See, what I saw was a lattice work.
	From my distance, it looked like a beautiful latticework at the bottom of the craft that I was very interested in.
	You talk about the latticework, that's what the eyewitnesses reported, a cross beam and girder construction like a truss bridge.
	Right.
	That's what they describe.
	Yeah, so, I mean, I think that there sounds like there could be some validity to that.
	It is important, from my point of view, that, you know, you go back to William Tompkins' work, and you were there on the interview with us, and you know he's basically talking about the aliens are working with us.
	This is where you get some of this craft all those years back.
	So, to say it's ours is a bit of a simplistic answer.
	To a more complex question.
	I see your point, and what I do want to state, and Linda Zimmerman has done a really good job, sightings of these craft date back to around 1903.
	1930s, 1956, prior to Reagan.
	So, I'm not going to make the claim that everything here was a man-made craft, but just when we're talking about 81 to 89 Reagan buildup, that's when I think we've got a man-made technology.
	Especially when you see pipes sticking out of this.
	I've got testimony from the Southern Illinois Triangle case, January 5, 2000, Multiple police officers said it looked like stacked Legos on the bottom of this.
	Now that might be for cooling, nitrogen cooling pipes to cool a superconductor.
	That's right around the same time frame.
	So when you see all these three things coming together, It looks like we could be talking about a man-made technology.
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, this notion, even back in Reagan's day, of course, everyone knows his famous speech, what if we all had a common enemy, wouldn't we unite very quickly here on planet Earth, alluding to, in essence, again, This invasion sort of scenario.
	And so, you know, it's interesting to me because I'm doing a lot of presentations.
	I'm about to release my latest interview with Mark Richards.
	And all of the evidence points in the direction that at least a portion of this secret space program is trying to release information.
	They may be trying to say they're developing this technology for a purpose.
	Which is earth defense.
	So this is where you get into why else have such a developed technology?
	Can't rule that out.
	Can't rule that out.
	Yes.
	There are a lot of questions here.
	So continue.
	It's fascinating.
	So just to get a little bit further down when we're talking about the planes flying in formation, I just want to review this Really quickly here.
	If you have a group of planes flying in formation, like what I've shown here, this is straight and level flight, these are two-scale and there's a 20-foot gap between each one.
	Now, you can relatively hold formation, but you're not going to get the kind of rock-solid formation that the witnesses talk about, because they talk about how the lights look like they were embedded in concrete when this thing turns.
	You're always going to get some human error.
	There's going to be some atmospheric distortions where the plane might move off to the side a couple feet.
	It's just human nature, so you're never going to get that.
	Now, when you get into a situation where this thing makes a turn, This is a 180 degree flat turn.
	That's what we talked about here.
	When you have this craft hovering over freeway and it's making a 180 degree flat turn with no bank, that can't be done with a group of planes because the planes on the right have to increase speed And they have to make a left turn.
	The planes in the left-hand side actually have to go backwards.
	That would stall the wings, and these guys would fall right out of the sky.
	And since they're only 10 feet above the treetops, you're looking at 60 feet.
	They're dead men.
	Because the engine will get crushed right into the crew compartment, and that'll crush the pilot, and then the wings will break.
	And since the wings have fuel, that'll hit the hot engine.
	The whole thing will go up in flames.
	So this scenario...
	It just isn't going to work.
	And so this is exactly what Monique was seeing when she was seeing her craft fly over the frozen ice lake bed.
	This is what she saw here, and these lights were blinking in formation.
	There was an intelligent design behind this one here.
	Now, what I'm thinking of what actually is happening here, if you think about the time frame, we're talking about 81 to 89.
	This is the Reagan buildup where a lot of these black programs got funded.
	Even Aviation Week, Space Technology, they acknowledged that eight years of the Reagan administration were very good to the black world.
	Even they admit it.
	So, all these things seem to have been funded during that time.
	So, I'm thinking...
	And this might be an exclusive.
	I don't know.
	I'm just throwing it out there.
	What would you need to track an incoming Russian ICBM? What would you need?
	Well, the United States Navy developed something called an over-the-horizon radar system.
	What they would do is they'd take a huge radar range and they would Shoot up a radar signature, and then it would hit the ionosphere, bounce down, and then over to Russia's Soviet Union.
	They'd be looking at ICBM sites, they'd be looking at naval submarine bases, they might be looking at mobile missile launchers, tracking this with over-the-horizon radar.
	And that's probably something that they would have developed starting in 1965, going all the way to the Reagan administration.
	But the problem is, when you have an over-the-horizon radar system It's concreted to the ground, right?
	You can't move it, so it's not mobile.
	Wouldn't it be great if we had a mobile, airborne, over-the-horizon radar that couldn't be tracked, that was stealthy, that hovered silently, that had the crossbeam and girder construction like a truss bridge, and made that low-frequency humming noise that the eyewitnesses reported?
	When you take all those into consideration, it looks like what they did, and this is just my hypothesis, other people have helped me with this, is it looks like they developed an airborne over-the-horizon radar system that looked like this craft right here.
	And this is what a lot of the people are reporting.
	This answers almost all the questions.
	It has the boomerang shaped lighting.
	It has the crossbeam and girder construction.
	It hovers silently.
	It's as big as a football field.
	And it has the over-the-horizon radar antenna section embedded into this craft.
	And this can't be tracked.
	It can't be shot down by the Russians.
	It's mobile.
	It's something that's dead silent and stealthy.
	So this might answer what was actually done.
	I don't think anyone's talking about it.
	Isn't that a TR3B? No, this isn't a TR3B. What's the difference?
	The TR3B is a triangular craft that has a magnetic field disruptor in the center of it.
	I'm saying that what this craft might have is a superconductor using liquid nitrogen for cooling and that's what these pipes are for.
	These pipes are for to cool the superconductor because superconductor is only efficient When it's cooled down very low temperature, like minus 240 or something.
	Almost close to absolute zero.
	But it's got to be chilled way down.
	But you would need liquid nitrogen to do it.
	And you'd need pipes to circulate that.
	So this is just my theory.
	I think what we're seeing here is the cooling routing for the superconductor.
	For this particular craft.
	See, when you talk about Hudson Valley Boomerang, you have to explain all the key elements that the eyewitnesses are reporting.
	You can't just cherry-pick this.
	The only thing that matches all the criteria is this airborne over-the-horizon radar system.
	In my opinion, this is the only thing that addresses all the questions.
	What you've got over here is another rendering of what this craft may look like with the lights.
	We've got the tubes in here.
	We've got the crossbeam and girder construction.
	And at night, when this thing has these two groups of lights shining, it looks like a V-shaped boomerang craft that can hover silently.
	This is exactly What the eyewitnesses are reporting.
	It's a dead ringer for what the eyewitnesses are reporting.
	So it's just something that I've been able to put together through the help of some of the people who've given me a direction to follow.
	And this is just kind of my final analysis of what may be going on with the Hudson Valley Boomerang.
	Okay, but that, I'm just curious, in terms of the B2 and that, you're talking about some design elements that are different, right?
	Right, you're right.
	Okay, and because I think that one, actually, I'm not sure because of the way you've drawn it, and I can't...
	Tom Bogan has to get credit for this.
	Okay, I can't be positive, but...
	The triangular craft that I saw over the town in France, right near Lake Geneva, that has been reported repeatedly in that area, now it is quite sort of thick, you know, at least visually from a distance, and it is triangular, so I'm not sure if that's exactly the same, but it may be quite similar to what I saw.
	Okay, because this would be 100 to 200 feet per side and about 20 feet thick.
	I'm not sure if that jives with your dimensions, but this is approximately what eyewitnesses are reporting.
	I don't know, but it is reminiscent of that sort of a craft.
	Okay, continue.
	So we've covered the patches, we've covered the bloomerangs.
	We have to talk about the triangles for any kind of a discussion about these black aircrafts.
	Definitely the craft in vogue at this time are the triangles.
	No question about it.
	We can start over here with a craft that was seen by two eyewitnesses.
	Well, actually only one eyewitness because this is a group of people that came out of a music concert.
	This is back on August 25, 1990.
	A gentleman was driving down the road and out from this dark, misty cloud emerges this 200 foot per side triangular shaped craft that was dead silent, was hovering over the freeway.
	I've got the report from David Marler.
	He has to get the credit because this did not make it into his book, but he gave me the original sketch and the original eyewitness report.
	This is an AutoCAD drawing I made from the SOLIDWORKS model that I created.
	And what he stated here is that he saw two what looked like Kind of white, tight-fitting flight suits, but they look absolutely human.
	There was nothing alien about what he saw here from his perspective, and this is borne out in the report.
	He says that what he saw here looked absolutely like American test pilots, and he also said that there was an indented section on the bottom of this craft that had this cross-beam and girder construction like a truss bridge.
	This is the same type understructure that was reported on the Hudson Valley Boomerang, and so that's what I've done here in this model.
	As you can see, the cross beam and girder construction on the bottom of this vehicle, which is what we've seen in at least four separate cases.
	A low frequency electrical humming noise was heard in this particular craft, although he was slightly far away, but that's born in the report as well.
	So that's the 1990 case.
	Coming down here, This was seen by a reference librarian.
	This has to get credit by Linda Zimmerman.
	She interviewed the reference librarian that saw this in daylight.
	Very rare case.
	And when she was interviewed by Linda, this particular eyewitness said that, you know, we've heard that these craft are as big as a football field.
	That wasn't the case on this craft.
	This craft was big as a football stadium.
	That's how big this craft is.
	Huge craft.
	What's interesting about this particular case is she got to see the underside of the vehicle and up inside the craft itself, which is unprecedented.
	And she said that there was a hole with a red colored orb that came on the bottom of this vehicle.
	And she said what it looked like, it looked like the terraces that you would see on an apartment complex stacked together with multicolored lights on each of the terraces.
	That's what she said Was the inner part of this craft.
	Very unprecedented case.
	Coming down here, you've got the Belgium Triangle.
	This is 1989-1990.
	This is the one where the F-16 Belgium Air Force scrambled and chased jets after this.
	It left those F-16s in the dust at over 40 Gs as this took off.
	Completely unconventional propulsion technology.
	We're not talking about aerodynamics here because these things hover.
	They can be passed by joggers on the street, but then they can do something interesting.
	They can go from a dead stop silent hovering across the horizon and back in less than one second.
	You just don't get that with aerodynamic technology.
	It's just not going to happen.
	But what I want to point out is Eyewitnesses said that it had the same tubes, pipe, cylinders that we've already talked about.
	Here's the UFO drama in Belgium thousand watch in awe as huge objects drift through sky.
	And then it had white light at the corner terminating sections of this vehicle.
	And a low-frequency electrical humming.
	So that's the third time we've heard this.
	Here is the Southern Illinois Flying Triangle case.
	This is January 5, 2000.
	Multiple police officers saw this, including Craig Stevens.
	Ed Barton also saw this.
	We have eyewitness reports that this craft had what looked like stacked Legos on the bottom of the vehicle.
	The primary eyewitness of this case Was a man-made, Melvern Knoll.
	He was a truck driver.
	He was a miniature golf course owner.
	So he was pulling up to his facility and from kind of the far left, he saw this single-story ranch pass right over his location with the lighted section windows and a penthouse on top.
	Go right over his miniature golf course.
	Dead silent.
	And that was the origin point for the Southern Illinois Flying Triangle.
	So there was at least one What looked like a single-story wrench and two different triangular-shaped craft.
	One looked like an isosceles triangle.
	One looked like a 60-degree swept wing triangle with an arrowhead concave section on the back of the vehicle.
	So that's the Southern Illinois Triangle.
	Just a fantastic case, very well referenced, and newspaper clippings all around the world cover this particular case.
	This kind of shows you of what these craft have looked like.
	This is a case here that was seen on Madison Black Triangle, sighted November 22, 1985.
	And I'll just try to read this really quickly here.
	It says, the underside of the craft resembled, quote, the back of a refrigerator like a collection of condensation pipes that ran back and forth.
	So, what would these pipes be used for, right?
	So here's the model I built of this one showing you the condensation pipes.
	Maybe this is for the cooling, the liquid nitrogen cooling for the superconductor.
	I'm just throwing it out there because now this is like the 12th time we've heard about this.
	From cases all around the world.
	This was a case seen by Colin Saunders.
	Four people were returning from a dinner outing.
	This is March 31st, 1990, Monk's Kirby, England, when they saw a triangular shaped craft, but in point of fact, what they saw originally was the back of the triangle, which looked like four red lights at about a 30 degree up angle to the right.
	That's what they saw when they originally saw it.
	As they got closer, They could see that this was the back of some type craft.
	And then what happened next was really interesting.
	He said that when this thing rotated up on end, it did so like, quote, it was underwater when it did it.
	A very slow movement that went up on top.
	He also said it had these raised Aztecs on it.
	The back of the craft had this raised Aztecs on it, too.
	So he is of the assumption, and he saw another craft fly by, which was much bigger than this one, that this was a docking mechanism for a mothership.
	This is a two-part system.
	We've heard this as well, too.
	So, this is the Monk's Kirby England 1999 case.
	So, when you look at the kind of the legacy here, we see kind of a cross-bred of technology that's going through two different technologies.
	The triangles, the boomerangs are using this as well.
	And is it possible that the military industrial complex made a breakthrough back in 1954?
	This is borne out by the literature.
	Some kind of a breakthrough in gravity research was made in 1954.
	This is kind of confirmed by the ARV. Which was already flying in 1966.
	We've got the case here.
	March 5, 2003, Helena, Missouri.
	When this triangular-shaped craft flew over this gentleman's house, I've got the original report, he said that as it flew over, it made a low-frequency rumbling noise and it knocked pictures off the wall as this thing flew over.
	But he said that this craft had these cross-beaming girders which were fastened by what he called rusty steel rivets.
	On an alien spacecraft, I'll just leave it to your consideration, but that's what he has in the original report.
	They said that this thing looked like it was held together with rusty steel rivets from, you know, maybe something like the Golden Gate Bridge would have.
	Just these rivets.
	So this is just kind of a brief overview of the flying triangles.
	There is a guy who says, and I can't remember his name, I'm wondering if you're in touch with him, and he basically claims that every triangle you see is a man-made triangle.
	That is his story, and I wanted to interview him, I've invited him for interviews, but he turned me down.
	Really?
	Okay.
	He's kind of difficult to get along with.
	He's kind of angry, from what I understand.
	I'm not sure why.
	Something to do with how he was treated over the years.
	Interesting guy.
	So I'm just throwing that out sort of in corroboration with what you're saying.
	This one over there is reminiscent, at least to my mind, of what we call the pyramid UFOs.
	So there are pyramids that have been seen and photographed.
	And over Russia, I believe, are some of the significant ones.
	Do you know who David Adair is?
	I know who David Adair is.
	I've met him previously.
	Personally, yes.
	Okay.
	I know his story.
	Alright, fine.
	And he's talking about back in the day when he was creating a fusion engine going into Area 51.
	Finding basically an AI biological craft that was conscious that he made contact with, etc.
	I interviewed him for three hours about a week ago on my channel.
	And he is talking about it having a similar technology to what he was building.
	So my question for you was, and he was shown this when he was 17 years old, A number, you know, now he's in his 60s, mid-60s or something like that.
	Maybe even 70s, I'm not sure.
	Speaking on the circuit, and basically my question is, what does this kind of technology, this engine technology you're talking about, sort of, you're calling it a thermo...
	I think that what David Adair stated that he saw at Area 51 is a completely different technology than this.
	These are two different propulsion systems.
	My question is why?
	Why were they using this type of technology if they had access, in essence, to what we know are different technologies?
	Because there's multiple different contractors doing multiple different black programs.
	And we don't know if Boeing knows what Lockheed is doing.
	Have we paid for a similar design like four times over, and that's why it costs $2.3 billion?
	Is that why hammers cost $400?
	And this is something that was just brought to my attention.
	At the Pentagon, a hammer is not called a hammer.
	It's called an omnidirectional impact generator.
	That's what a hammer is called in the Pentagon.
	And so you see how they just jacked the price up on all this.
	And it's anyone's guess if Lockheed knows what Northrup's doing.
	Maybe they already did it in Northrup's lab and Lockheed's just getting around to it now and we're getting charged four times now.
	It's possible, but from what I'm seeing here is that they're using a similar type propulsion system for different shaped craft vehicles, which doesn't appear to be what David Adair has said.
	Now, as a historian, I have to be unbiased and I have to be completely neutral in all regard.
	I have to say that And I'm not the only one saying this.
	Jim Goodall, who's a very good friend of mine, someone you might want to consider interviewing, he stated categorically, Peter Merlin will back me up on this.
	There is no underground facility at Area 51, period.
	Never has been.
	I know there might get flat, but I have to say that Jim Goodall, who knew the head of security at Area 51 for two decades, this guy went all around Area 51, knows every bolt of Area 51, every hangar at Area 51, would have known about what David Adair had gone into, allegedly, would have known about the Worms Cruise, all of it.
	There is nothing like that in Area 51.
	Okay, but this guy's paid, he's got a security, no doubt, signed a security oath.
	He's motivated to, in essence, lie.
	I just was reading about this Bolden guy from head of NASA. He's now resigned.
	He was saying the same thing.
	He went out and talked about Area 51.
	He said it did exist, but it was a test place.
	I can tell you that I also know a guy who climbed down into Area 51 and documented stuff there.
	I think it's possible.
	He's a Marine, you know, ex-Marine.
	I can say that, you know, there's so much documentation on Area 51.
	It's over the top.
	Uh, and fascinating.
	But, uh, underground bases, I just got back.
	I know, I know maybe you're not a follower of John Lear's information.
	We, he just, we were talking about the underground bases.
	I mean, the place, United States and off, you know, other places on the globe are riddled with underground bases.
	True.
	Um, there's no doubt about it.
	And, uh, So why not Area 51?
	Why not?
	I'm saying it's...
	I'm open to it.
	I'm just saying that he stated that there's nothing...
	Yeah, but he's motivated to lie.
	Not Jim Goodall.
	Not Jim Goodall.
	Why?
	Jim Goodall wouldn't...
	He's not a whistleblower.
	Jim Goodall is a fantastic black aircraft researcher.
	He's been doing it longer than anyone has.
	That doesn't tell me anything.
	You know, whether he's working, who he's working for...
	But Jim Goodall, he's his own person.
	He's not...
	Yeah, maybe so.
	You know, and you've got to bring mind control into all of this.
	So it's all good.
	I mean, look, these people want to say what they say.
	It's fascinating.
	But let's move on.
	This one here, we kind of talked about it before.
	Historical Legacy of Black Aircraft F-117.
	This was November 10, 1988, when it was acknowledged to the public.
	It wasn't rolled out until later than that, using Desert Storm.
	Down here you see Air Force and Vail Stealth Bomber, U.S. Test New Phantom Jet, Pentagon Lift Vail on Stealth Fighter.
	Over here you've got the different configurations here of what John Andrews was calling the SR-75 Penetrator.
	That's a Mach 7 to a Mach 12 hypersonic spy plane.
	It is a two-stage to orbit space plane system.
	This is talked about by Bill Scott as well.
	Up here you've got the B-2.
	That's $2.3 billion per aircraft.
	We talked about the redesign on the wing.
	That cost American taxpayers one billion dollars.
	Over here you've got Phantom Works Bird of Prey.
	That was in the patch we talked about originally.
	It was originally a McDonnell Douglas program, now a Boeing project that was declassified October 2002.
	Over here you've got some of the original configurations for stealth aircraft, what they thought it might have looked like in the very early 1980s.
	This is the section on the B2 here.
	What you would see on radar for the B2, very low radar cross-section, probably even lower than the F117. First real look, this is November 22nd, 1988 when it was rolled out at Air Force Plant 42 Palmdale.
	Here you have the Pico Rivera and then the Palmdale Final Assembly Facility for B-2 Stealth Bomber.
	That's at Air Force Plant 42.
	Up here you've got the A-12 Avenger II which was cancelled by Dick Cheney January the 7th of 1991.
	At the cost of $5 billion per taxpayer, this is a McDonnell Douglas General Dynamics program as a plane to replace the A6 intruder.
	It never happened.
	Maybe something came of it.
	Okay, but let's stop right there and say that when a project is discontinued nine times out of ten, I would say it goes black.
	That's probably true.
	Or they charge time I hear you, but you know, it's fascinating because...
	What did they stumble on that made this thing go black?
	Is the question you need to ask.
	And I know, maybe I've said this before to you, but I was working for an aerospace company as a contractor for a top guy, and the whole section went black and disappeared, you know, basically out of the place.
	And this was, I believe Boeing, you know, sometimes I get into Boeing and Northrop mixed up, but I think it was Boeing.
	And I can tell you for a fact, That they went to build what is, in essence, a Starship Enterprise.
	Prior to that, they'd been working on, I believe, the F-35 and planes of that type.
	So, the whole place, less than two weeks, gone.
	Okay.
	Well, when you talk about the Joint Strike Fighter, I will have to agree with you because the Joint Strike Fighter costs so much now.
	It has its own name.
	It's called the plane that broke the Pentagon's back because we're talking about $162 billion That might be what you were working on, which was secretly funded to that.
	I mean, we thought the B-2 was expensive at $2.3 billion.
	The Joint Strike Fighter Lockheed Martin F-35 makes the B-2 look like a sandbox by comparison.
	When you talk about overall cost overruns, This thing is off the planet, way beyond what was going on here.
	So I'm thinking that, and we talked about this before, that maybe these black programs are a cover to hide the funding for even deeper black programs.
	That seems to be the case here.
	Why F-23 lost out to the F-22?
	Lockheed is just cashing in left and right on these contracts.
	They are just cashing in and when you talk about the F-35, the costs to fix the repairs on the aircraft are more profitable than the aircraft itself now.
	That's where we're at with the F-35.
	Just an unbelievable cash cow for Lockheed Martin.
	Here's Paul Metz and this is the YF-23.
	So just a brief overview of classified programs.
	Some of these programs might be scapegoats for something else.
	The layers of the onions.
	And this is how they operate.
	Look, if they have a secret space program at all, they've got to hide it under something.
	You know what I mean?
	Right.
	So you've got to have layers of secrecy with program after program.
	And interestingly, William Tompkins does talk about that simultaneous programs going on.
	Simultaneous levels of programs, some of which didn't know the other one was doing a duplicate operation, like within yards, maybe even in the next cubicle, you know, for all we know.
	I mean, fascinating approach, not stupid, you know, not a stupid idea.
	How many billions were wasted on that though?
	Sure.
	That didn't need to be wasted.
	Okay, wasted or with a purpose in mind.
	Look, I'm not a sympathizer to secrecy, but if you've got a purpose in mind, it's got to be deep.
	It is not a superficial purpose.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, but maybe they don't tell the contractors the full story.
	Oh, no doubt about it.
	Seems to be the case now.
	This seems to be the case across the board.
	It's what we call a silo mentality.
	So in your little silo, you know what's going on.
	And this was true at JPL. This is how the aerospace industry has worked in the past.
	In fact, it's also how the Department of Homeland Security suddenly becoming an umbrella organization after so-called 9-11.
	You know what I'm saying?
	In other words, they were trying to get agencies to talk to each other who were doing the same thing or becoming competitors in the same field.
	We still have that with the NSA and the CIA and the FBI and who's spying on who on U.S. soil and off U.S. soil, etc.
	You know, so all of that kind of mentality.
	So what we're looking at here, obviously, is a German V2 rocket.
	This was used in World War II in 1944.
	The point I want to make is they're using liquid rockets as the propulsion system for the V2 rocket.
	And then when you talk about Challenger, this is January 28th, 1986, it uses liquid rockets.
	So just so everyone's on the same page here, you've got the orbiter here, right?
	And then you've got the external tank and you've got the solid rocket boosters.
	Now inside the external tank, it's not just one tank, there's two tanks.
	There's liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen in this external tank.
	So the liquid oxygen is in the bottom part of the tank, the liquid hydrogen is in the top.
	This is mixed together and goes through a tube that runs down the length of the orbiter And then it gets fed right into this location where the turbo pumps feed the orbiter's main engines.
	And that's how this system works.
	So you've got the orbiter, external tank, left SRB, right SRB. These are the Challenger astronauts.
	Again, this is January 28th, 1986.
	And one thing I want to point out is when you talk about the shuttle, There is nothing high-tech about the space shuttle.
	I'm going to repeat that.
	There is nothing high-tech about the space shuttle other than the tiles.
	That's it.
	That's the only thing.
	We're talking about standard aircraft aluminum construction This aircraft was built on the same assembly line that the B-1 bomber was built on at Rockwell, where we went to that plant, Carrie.
	So you know where that is.
	It's standard aircraft construction.
	The only thing that's high-tech are the shuttle tiles.
	That's what you see here.
	So, external tank.
	This burns up on re-entry, does not get reused.
	These are the solid rocket boosters built by Morton Thiokol in Utah.
	Now, here's problem number one on Challenger, okay?
	They came in with a low bid, but since they're in Utah, they're landlocked.
	So they cannot move their stuff by sea.
	They have to build it in segments and ship it by train.
	That's the only way they can get this solid rocket booster to the Kennedy Space Center.
	They have to ship it by train, and so that's what they've done.
	They're nowhere near any water.
	So problem number one is this booster had to be built in segments that are 320 inches long.
	What they should have done is pick the contractor that could have built this solid rocket booster all in one cylinder.
	That would have solved part of the problem.
	So that's problem number one.
	Problem number two is they weren't supposed to launch below 53 degrees, but on the day of the launch, They're the ones who said that you're not supposed to launch below 53.
	On the day of the launch, it was hovering around 29 degrees, but there was a breeze on the launch pad that chilled it down even further, and since the liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen is venting on the lower part of the Challenger, it brought it down even further.
	So right around launch time, the minute of launch, we're looking at about 5 degrees, which is way out of spec according to Morton Thiokol.
	So, what happened is when the SRBs lit off...
	About six seconds prior to the orbiter main engines, the entire shuttle did what they call a torquing maneuver, and it put further stress on these SRBs, and they thought this thing was going to blow up on the launch pad, but there was kind of a congealed temporary seal in the O-ring segment field joint, which caused that to not be the case.
	So this thing took off, It exploded at around 67,000 feet, and the crew compartment emerged intact.
	The wings were blown off, the vertical stabilizer was blown off, the payload section was blown off, but the forward section of the crew compartment emerged from the cloud intact.
	This is what emerged from the explosion.
	Here you can see it being assembled at the facility in Palmdale.
	And this is standard aircraft construction.
	Again, this is the crew compartment of the shuttle.
	This is basically exactly what emerged from that cloud.
	Here you can see the schematic of the stringers and bulkheads.
	This is the part that was seen.
	The forward nose cone of Challenger blew off.
	And keep in mind that there's an upper deck and lower deck.
	So we've got Dick Scobie, which was the commander on the upper deck.
	Krista McAuliffe, who was the schoolteacher, she was below.
	So she was at this section here on the lower deck.
	Now, keep in mind we talked about the V2 rocket.
	Here you can see all the components that make up the shuttle main engine.
	And you've got the turbo pumps in this section here.
	Now, Roger Borgeli, who is the engineer at Morton Thiokol, stated that all shuttles flew with cracked turbine blades, which is just something that you wouldn't want to fly.
	That would be a single point failure.
	I asked the question, would you fly on a commercial airliner if you knew that that airliner had cracked turbine blades?
	No, you wouldn't.
	The FAA would ground it.
	Okay, so what's the point?
	Here you've got the beginning part of the initial break apart of Challenger.
	We've got the section of the external tank breaking away.
	Here's about T plus half a second after the breakup.
	Here's the part where the SRBs crossed in flight.
	This isn't talked about too much, but they crossed in flight.
	Here is the SRBs crossing in flight.
	This is the breakup here.
	This is full breakup of Challenger.
	This is January 20th, 1986.
	This is looking back now inside the crew compartment.
	Now this is the scene where they've reached the top of the parabolic arc and now they're starting to come down.
	And we've got the newspaper reports that clearly state without any...
	You know, question at all that at least three Challenger astronauts were alive after the explosion.
	We know that because the oxygen packs were turned on and they can only be turned on manually.
	So at least three of the astronauts were still conscious after the explosion.
	And they were seeing the ocean rush up against them in this illustration right here.
	This is something you don't want to see when you're flying in a spaceship.
	So they were seeing this rushing up against them.
	Here is just about t plus a quarter of a second before impact.
	They could have all survived, we don't know for sure, but chances are they were all conscious when they came down here.
	This is the very second of impact.
	Now keep in mind we've got the MIT report that indicates that the Challenger hit the water between 170 and 206 miles an hour.
	It was equivalent to 200 G's.
	It was completely shattered on impact.
	There was nothing essentially left of the crew compartment because the second it hit the water, they were thrown from their seats, they were slammed against the inside left inner fuselage crew compartment section, and they were dismembered at that very second.
	And when they were recovered by the U.S. Navy six weeks afterward, I don't want to be too morbid about it, but there were no intact corpses recovered.
	There were only remains.
	Okay, let me stop you right there because I have a key witness who was killed, who died, who basically reported that he was on a Navy ship.
	What is his motivation for lying about this?
	He was on a Navy ship.
	They were on their way to rescue those remaining crew members.
	The capsule hit the water, the woman was seen I guess in the window or something like that, apparently still alive, that actually they got the call from NASA telling them to turn around, to not go rescue this capsule.
	And this is what was heard.
	They kept quiet.
	They all got some kind of retirement, whatever it was.
	And he reported this on my interview.
	His name is Ed Loughran.
	If you do a search for Challenger on my YouTube channel, you'll get the rather long audio interview with him prior to when he was killed.
	His wife reported he received a phone call.
	He also was a ballistics expert and reported on the Kennedy assassination on my show and other places and he studied this all his life and basically he received a phone call And they sent a pulse through the phone.
	He dropped up a heart attack right then and there and died.
	His wife ran out of the house.
	She was scared to death.
	And that's the story.
	So, you know, this is...
	I hear what you're saying.
	I hear where...
	I'm curious.
	Where do you get this information?
	Where do I get this information?
	Yeah, about the capsule hitting the water, the dismemberment, etc.
	No problem.
	Impact damage to the Challenger crew compartment...
	By Thomas Wezerbeke.
	He's from MIT. I've got the AIAA technical report.
	You can read the whole report here.
	They hit the water at 206 miles an hour, equivalent to 200 degrees, right from MIT. And that's not survivable.
	That's not survivable in any...
	I don't care how well you're strapped in.
	It's not survivable.
	So what do we do with this?
	We've got conflicting testimony, and you have to figure out what's going on here.
	It's a fascinating story.
	I believe John Lear also has some information about this.
	We were talking about this just in our five-hour interview the other day as well.
	So we'll take it on board.
	This is what we have to do.
	We get conflicting testimony on a lot of these things.
	It's still worth investigating further.
	Well, I mean, in one sense, it's sad and tragic because there was an emergency egress system planned for the shuttle, but during the Reagan administration, there were budgetary cutbacks, and they cut out the emergency system.
	And so they had no options.
	There was nothing they could do.
	The plan was to bring the entire crew compartment back down as one complete unit, like you see here on the F-111.
	The whole crew compartment was supposed to blast away and come down by parachute, but that never happened.
	So they were forced to ride it all the way down.
	Until they hit the ocean.
	I don't see any evidence of them making it.
	It's just clear they just slammed and hit the water at 200 G's and it doesn't matter what kind of seat belt you have, you're just not going to survive that.
	And I think further research is still required.
	Because you can't have a guy coming forward, older man, for no reason, talking about this.
	And he was actually rather reluctant to talk about the challenger part.
	He actually approached me on the Kennedy thing, and so he was very sure of himself on that.
	And he said he didn't want to reveal this, but he thought his conscience was bothering him, and he decided to come forward with it.
	So he's saying that they did survive the impact.
	That at least, you know, a few of the individuals were in the capsule, did survive, and were supposed to be rescued.
	And he was on a Navy ship.
	They were on their way there.
	They could see it from the ship.
	He said, more than one eyewitness.
	Seeing it from the ship and seeing the ship turn around, be redirected.
	The rationale at the time was that there was another ship closer than they were and supposedly going to move in on it or something of that nature.
	But there was also information about some kind of redirect.
	Again, it's been actually a few years since we went over this information.
	I don't remember.
	I do remember there was some...
	Somehow he got the information that an order came down to actually let those people die.
	You continue to follow this trail, and thank God you do.
	What I want to ask you is, where are you going now?
	I'm going to continue building more models.
	I'm going to continue interviewing more Lockheed Skunk Works engineers.
	And I want to see if I can penetrate the Black World.
	That's what I want to do.
	I want to get in with these guys.
	Because even the Black World guys, they know that there's others out there.
	Like when you have Nellis Test Flight Center and that whole Nellis range there.
	That's such an expansive area.
	That some of these black program test pilots don't even know that these guys are testing on the same range.
	It's so huge.
	And that's kind of the world that I want to be involved in.
	I want to be with these guys that are testing these crafts.
	It's going to be hard.
	Probably will never do it.
	But someone's got to be down there with boots on the ground.
	And there's only about four people left even pursuing this craft.
	There used to be twelve back around 1992, but now there's only three or four left.
	Jim Goodall is one of them.
	Very few people even follow this line of research.
	Alright.
	Excellent.
	You have been a regular on Camelot, and it's wonderful to be able to have you here in person and to see where your latest research has gone.
	This is a never-ending story that we are trying to get to the root of and expose the truth, no matter what we do, right?
	That's right.
	And so we have to remain as impartial as possible on the trail.
	And I think, you know, you qualify absolutely in that area.
	So I keep an open mind, and I think that the viewers are as well, those that would bother to take the time to watch.
	So thank you.
	Thanks, Carrie.
	Thanks very much.

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