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April 27, 2017 - Project Camelot

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ROBERT KIVIAT : ALIENS ON THE MOON - PRODUCER

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	I can't see you though.
	We lost you.
	I can't see you, though.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here today, tonight, with Robert Kvyat, and he is a very well-known producer of Alien Autopsy and Aliens on the Moon.
	And you can see by the banner that that's who he is and what we're going to be talking about.
	I'm going to give you a short rundown of his bio and also bring him on the screen For you to see here, and Robert, go ahead and say hello to everyone.
	Hi, everyone.
	How's it going?
	Okay, and just so you know, Robert, you won't always see me on your screen, but the audience will.
	That's good to hear.
	Good to know.
	Alright, so stand by while I get your bio out here and just kind of give you a brief introduction and then I'm going to have you kind of more or less introduce yourself.
	Okay.
	So Robert Kvyat is basically a television writer and producer.
	He specializes in paranormal phenomenon.
	He has produced 11 specials for 20th Century Fox TV, most notably Alien Autopsy.
	Robert also appeared as a guest expert on numerous television news shows such as MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Oberman and on popular radio shows such as Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	And the Jeff and Mike show, and he has been featured on Entertainment Tonight multiple times, Access Hollywood, and CNN's Showbiz Tonight.
	And so the actual bio goes on and we've got a whole list here.
	This is all from Wikipedia of your background and so on.
	And so I just want to say that it's quite an illustrious Hollywood, what we call a Hollywood background, more or less.
	You also made a breakaway from Hollywood at a certain point to go down the road you're on now and I want to go down that road with you and talk about all of that.
	So welcome to the show and can you give us a little bit of your background that elaborates on what I just told everyone?
	Sure.
	The goal for me always was to bring journalism and to bring, I would think, credibility in journalism to the issues of UFOs, aliens, ghosts, things that are in the paranormal realm.
	But I've never been comfortable with the idea of paranormal references to my work because as far as I was concerned, there was a simple goal.
	And that was, I had been a newspaper...
	First of all, I was an advertising executive doing graphics for a long time.
	Out of college, but my real core was a journalist, and I was a journalist at college.
	I ran my college paper in upstate New York, and so it was always about journalism.
	But to be honest with you, when I got involved, You know, in the mid-80s, there really was not a lot of money to be made in journalism, and to tell you the truth, there really probably isn't still, you know, unless you're some kind of on-air talent or something.
	Journalism is not a well-paying job, like teachers, you know?
	So I did a kind of a gratuitous route to Hollywood.
	I did advertising graphics for a bunch of years in New York, and then one day I realized that selling liquor and cigarettes and things like that were not very healthy things to do in terms of your karma, I don't think.
	So, I reached out to my core passion, which was UFOs and phenomena, and I took a bonus I had received at my job in New York, where I was working, and I toured the country, meeting with a lot of top UFO experts, people in the field, and I determined that there clearly was a mystery here that needed to be resolved or solved.
	And again, the timing of that was the late 80s.
	And if you remember the late 80s, there was a lot of talk about the MJ-12 documents and things like that.
	So I figured there was kind of a base of material to get into.
	But to tell you the truth, no one had ever embarked that I was aware of on a TV career where you would try to bring these type of shows to network television And I mean network television, NBC, CBS, ABC, and at that time, Fox.
	They were the four major networks.
	Cable TV was around, but, you know, HBO was doing some things.
	And, you know, I've heard the story for years about Lyndon Moulton Howe and about HBO doing a documentary maybe about UFOs.
	And we can get into all that later.
	But the main thing is I never saw a real opening In this field until Unsolved Mysteries on NBC came on.
	And when I saw Unsolved Mysteries come on, I also saw a show called A Current Affair come on by the Fox group, Fox Television.
	And that was my opening.
	I said, if that type of show or that type of programming could be produced, then maybe there was a shot for me.
	So back to the story, I literally found all these UFO experts very interesting.
	One particular one was Wendell Stevens, who I had seen in a documentary years ago.
	By the way, I may throw out some ideas for people, but I want people to understand that there are a couple of very big documentaries throughout the years that made an impact on me as a journalist, up and coming as a young writer.
	First of all, there was a documentary called UFOs Are Real.
	And it was a 1979 documentary.
	In that documentary, at the very end of it, they did a story about Billy Meyer.
	And there was a story about Billy Meyer, this one-armed Swiss farmer who allegedly had shot crystal clear images of flying sausage in Switzerland, flying around.
	And he had contacted, you know, meetings with these beings that allegedly were Pleiadians and they were human being type, you know, creatures and they were very much like us and I found it fascinating.
	So that was one story that led me to this guy Wendell Stevens' house and Wendell Stevens, the late Wendell Stevens, had a very interesting career.
	He was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force.
	He had seen Foo Fighters when he was in the Air Force and he had also He carried video footage or film footage back and forth between pilots and the government.
	He felt that there was proof of UFOs and he felt there was a very big reason to do stories like this.
	And I was very impressed by that.
	One thing he showed me, which we'll get into tonight, I think, was a picture of what he claimed was a reptilian being.
	And I really did not even want to get near the idea of reptilians and you know that was to me that was way off the beaten track in terms of the kind of things I wanted to bring to television but I always remembered that he was a big Believer that there was something about reptilian beings.
	So anyway, I moved on.
	I figured out there was a way maybe to do this type of television.
	I worked on a show called Now It Can Be Told with Geraldo Rivera in New York.
	And I was able to bring on celebrities who had seen UFOs.
	And I had done some very hard-edged news stories for him as well, like DNA testing in the courts.
	I was very into science.
	So my journalism was a combination of science and And sensationalism, I guess, to some degree, but there had to be proof.
	For instance, there was a story I did about celebrities that had seen UFOs, and John Lennon had a famous, famous sighting of UFOs in New York, and he brought reporters up to a rooftop and showed the reporters where he saw the UFOs or UFO. And to me, that was a kind of credibility that you wanted to bring the subject.
	You know, somebody like John Lennon, who might be considered a little bit out there, He, at the time, he was already dead by this time, but he had already gone on record saying that this really happened.
	Ronald Reagan also was a person I had pursued, and Ronald Reagan wrote me a letter, and Reagan's people made sure it got to me, and the letter was written in a way that was from Reagan through his publicist.
	And literally confirming a signing he had when he was governor of California.
	And he had other signings as well.
	I knew that.
	So Ronald Reagan confirmed to me in a letter that there was no doubt UFOs and they were real in every way.
	I had no doubt of that.
	by the way he wrote this very very warm encouraging letter to me so my view of it was if I had a former president and I had people like that encouraging me to do this type of work well I threw myself in but I want to make sure people are understanding me better than maybe usually I was into science and proof of things it wasn't just like oh someone's saying something so my goal was always a fun to find evidence of UFOs evidence of aliens
	And I realized you couldn't make a career doing alien programming, so you had to find a way to branch out and do other things.
	So later on, I got into some other mysteries.
	But to me, UFOs and aliens is the crosspoint between all things paranormal or things on the edge.
	And most people, you know, there are polls done every year, you know, but the most important poll I've ever seen is 50%.
	Of all the most popular movies, TV series, or anything in that kind of entertainment end of the world, really, has either had a UFO, alien, or supernatural subject matter.
	So people, by their very nature, human beings, we love this idea of mystery, but we also have to have proof of it.
	So, my whole thing was to follow the evidence, follow the evidence, and I did a couple of stories.
	One about Area 51.
	I got Geraldo Rivera's brother, Craig, literally to Area 51 before most anybody ever got to Area 51 in 1992.
	And we were the first crew that I'm aware of that ever got cameras before.
	Shooting down at Area 51.
	John Lear was supposed to be my guide up Area 51.
	He bailed at the last minute.
	We had to replace him with Sean Morton.
	So I was kind of the guy who helped get Sean Morton out there in the world.
	Overall, it was a really good segment.
	Everyone loved it.
	And then all of a sudden I was doing other stories about Bigfoot and I was doing stories about DNA in the courts and bringing a real science edge to my work.
	And the show Unsolved Mysteries heard about me because I was researching a story.
	They were also researching what's called the Montauk Project.
	And if people watch Stranger Things right now on Netflix, you know, if you don't know, I'll tell you, Stranger Things was initially based on the idea of the Montauk Project.
	And the Montauk Project, being a guy from Long Island, New York, my home area, There's this idea that Montauk, the tip of a Long Island, has been the base or very similar to Dulce.
	Underground facility, aliens might be working with the government, all kinds of things along those lines.
	So to me, when Unsolved Mysteries heard that I was interested in the same story they were interested in, we had a connection.
	Geraldo Rivera's show, now it can be told, got cancelled after one season, and I was literally ready to go to Unsolved Mysteries.
	Right before I was about to go to Unsolved Mysteries and I was going to make entrees over there, I got a tape sent to me.
	It became, I believe, the most famous tape, more than alien autopsies, which we'll get into.
	In the UFO field, it probably is considered to be among the most credible evidence of UFOs.
	It's a tape called the Guardian tape, or the Guardian UFO video.
	And what happened was, I had a gentleman come on the show, on the Now It Can Be Told show, Bob Exler.
	He was actually a very prominent UFO researcher.
	And Bob Exler came on and helped us with the Area 51 story.
	In that same story, we talked about Gulf Breeze, Florida, which I still believe is an amazing UFO case.
	And Gulf Breeze, Florida was our entree sort of to this other tape.
	What happened was Bob Exler, big expert on Gulf Breeze and on Area 51, called me up one day and says, Bob, you're not going to believe this.
	I just received a tape in the mail.
	It has a fingerprint on it, just a fingerprint.
	Like stamped on the tape, on a VHS tape, and the word Guardian.
	And inside this package are these documents, maps, what appear to be Xeroxes of Polaroid showing the landing site.
	And on the tape itself, Bob, he says, is The most incredible scene.
	It looks like a UFO, like out of a Spielberg movie kind of thing, with strobing light and there's signal flares right next to it, like on the ground burning in a circle, like this was like somehow beaconed into this landing site.
	And I said, Bob, what are you going to do with that tape?
	Because I'm sending it to you.
	I said, well, great.
	Well, I got the tape.
	I didn't tell them where I was going yet.
	I didn't even know at the time what show I would end up on at the time.
	I heard rumors this other show was being canceled now, can be told, but I wasn't sure.
	So I got the tape in my hands, and I went to watch it in the tape library with a librarian, and she was freaking out because she said, that's a flying saucer.
	I said, I know.
	It looks like a flying saucer.
	And we were going back and forth with the tape machine, playing it back and forth.
	There were four sequences on the tape.
	It appeared for sure somebody had foreknowledge of this event being there because somebody was able to get to the site and record this event.
	So all I knew was it was a good story, but I didn't know anything more about it.
	So I said to this guy, Bob Exler, did anybody else receive this tape?
	He said, yes, Tim Good also received it in England.
	I said, Tim Good?
	I know Tim Good.
	He's a UFO researcher, wrote Above Top Secret, the book, not the website, a book called Above Top Secret way before there was a website.
	And the Above Top Secret book was really an encyclopedia, Carrie, of every great UFO case.
	This writer, Tim Good, did a really good job.
	Yes, I interviewed him.
	And so I knew Tim Goode was a quality guy.
	I knew Bob Exeter was a quality guy.
	And I said, why would someone named Guardian, whoever that is, send this tape to two different UFO researchers?
	I found it as a fascinating story.
	Well, that show got canceled.
	Unsolved Mysteries hired me.
	And I went in there one day and showed them this tape.
	And they were like, oh, my God.
	Well, the Guardian UFO landing story at Unsolved Mysteries in 1993 was the highest rated Unsolved Mysteries broadcast in their history, as far as I understand it.
	One out of four TVs in America were on this.
	Imagine, 25% of all televisions were on this story.
	And what you see in the video, you can't deny, looks like a flying saucer either hovering above a field or landed on this lady's farm.
	She was interviewed.
	They found the site.
	It all matched up.
	Everything seemed to be the right place.
	Whoever Guardian is, if he's listening tonight, I'm still looking for Guardian because we've never solved it.
	It's one of the most amazing, unsolved UFO cases ever.
	And I'm proud to say not only was I the guy who broke the story, but actually I played the role of the guardian in the recreation of the guy holding the camera.
	We don't even know if it's a guy.
	We assume it's a guy.
	We can't imagine it was a woman.
	But it was a really great story.
	So if people ever see the Unsolved Mysteries DVDs available, you should get up and get the Canadian UFO landing story.
	And to this day, like I said, it was the highest rate of Unsolved Mysteries broadcast.
	So after that, I went to the show called Encounters, The Hidden Truth on Fox.
	They had heard about me and Unsolved Mysteries, and they basically asked me to come join the show called Encounters.
	They actually did a second story about this Guardian story.
	It was nothing like we had done, but they kind of copied our story and did a little bit of an update.
	And so we, me and Fox, got closer and closer.
	One thing went to another and they made me coordinate and producer of the show called Encounters on Fox.
	And that show lasted like a year and a half.
	And the very end of that show's run, the very end, I got a call from an editor that knew me at Omni Magazine.
	Now Omni Magazine was this very reputable science fiction, science fact magazine out of New York.
	By the Penthouse group, Bob Guccione and Penthouse.
	And ironically, I played baseball, softball with some guys that were on that magazine, and they had heard about my interest in something called the Face on Mars years before.
	And I wrote an article for Omni Magazine before I ever moved to California to work at Unsolved Mysteries.
	I began an article on the Face on Mars for Omni Magazine, and that article as a science journalist.
	So I was a science journalist getting NASA to describe to me as a journalist Why they would shoot the face on Mars again if they could.
	Why there might be problems getting better images of the face on Mars from the Viking mission initially.
	So I got to understand NASA really well.
	I got to understand the idea that maybe there was something on Mars really well by doing that work.
	And I got some really good contacts with this magazine, Calomni Magazine.
	So, I wrote at Oracle of Omni about the face on Mars.
	It came out in 1994.
	It got a two-year delay because a Mars Observer got, you know, blown.
	No one knows what happened to Mars Observer, the original spacecraft.
	It flew up into space when it was just coming into Mars orbit.
	Luckily, they had built a second camera, and so when that...
	A billion-dollar craft vanished, and that's why we'll maybe get into the Mars mystery tonight a little bit.
	It turned out that they had another spacecraft ready to go, so Omni asked me to change the article a little bit to encompass this lost spacecraft issue, and the article did come out in 1994.
	So just about the time that the article came out in 1994, I was talking to the editors at Omni a lot while I worked at the show Encounters on Fox, and the question came up in our conversations.
	Did I ever hear about Steven Spielberg having a real alien autopsy film from the Roswell crash?
	And I'm like, what are you talking about?
	Well, have you heard about it?
	I said, I have not.
	And this editor said to me, well, we're doing an article about it, It's called Project X. So I said, well, good luck on that.
	And the article came out in September of that year.
	And you could see very clearly that Amblin Entertainment and Steven Spielberg were being very, very tight-lipped about it.
	They didn't want to talk about it.
	They were not saying they did it.
	They didn't have it.
	In fact, they said there was no such project.
	But by the way they were talking, it created intrigue.
	And it was probably not real intrigue, but they gave it some intrigue.
	And so I was intrigued.
	So I started calling around, not because the editor asked me to, more because I was just interested.
	And that's been my whole career thing, Kerry.
	I'm just interested.
	And to this day, the women in my life, I have an ex-wife, I have a girlfriend, they still don't understand my passion for this.
	It's not really to be a Hollywood producer and make money.
	Maybe it should be.
	It's more about Getting to the bottom of these mysteries, right?
	So I literally, I mean, I gotta be honest with you, I started calling all these UFO experts.
	No one heard anything about this.
	It was completely nowhere.
	And all of a sudden, one of the experts I had spoken to in the last couple of days, whatever, called me up and said, Bob, I just heard a guy named Reg Presley, a guy from a band called the Trogs.
	I go, I don't know what the Trog is.
	I love British music.
	I'm a rock music guy.
	I don't know who that is.
	Reg Presley from the band called The Trogs was on a morning talk show in England and said he had seen an alien autopsy video and it was going to change the world.
	It was huge.
	And I went, whoa!
	So now there was a cross point.
	Now we had, as you know, you're a top journalist, you know, now we had a corroboration.
	There was something afoot.
	There was something going on with this tape.
	And so I start to dig into it.
	And I call the guy I knew of.
	I didn't know him well.
	His name is Colin Andrews.
	And Colin was well known for the crop circles mystery.
	Okay, wait one second.
	Can you hear me?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, can I slow you down just one minute here?
	Thanks.
	So this is amazing, and it's great hearing you and all of this.
	But what I want to do here is because you're going super fast, and I think some people would like you to slow down just a little bit so that I can ask a couple questions along the way here.
	And first of all, you said something about Steven Spielberg having a, if I understood it correctly, A Roswell tape of some kind?
	What happened?
	Did that really exist?
	I'm trying to give you my bio in a quick nutshell, but that was more than I'm sure people could handle.
	The story about the alien autopsy, Carrie, is fascinating in many ways.
	The people behind it got Steven Spielberg's name in it.
	Because there really was a Spielberg involved, but it wasn't Steven Spielberg.
	What happened was, and I'm sure there are people that I'm understanding this, by the way, just lately, there's apparently a Facebook page devoted heavily to the alien autopsy.
	So people can look into it, all the people know, but the bottom line is this.
	I don't know much about that page, but I know this much.
	Steven Spielberg's name came in two different ways.
	I was asked, Did I know anything about Steven Spielberg having this tape?
	My answer to that was no.
	Then Ambuli Entertainment told Omni Magazine the answer is no.
	But then when I dug into the story, it turns out the guy who allegedly put up the money to buy the film from the military cameraman, if you can believe that story still, that there was a military cameraman from Roswell who shot that footage, That guy who put up the money to buy it from the military cameraman who kept it under his bed or in a garage for 50 years, whatever it was, he put up the money and his name was Volker Spielberg.
	Volker Spielberg, a German.
	Okay, now let me ask you this.
	You were not...
	Okay, tell me if this is wrong information on Wikipedia, but it sounds like you were not the producer of Alien Autopsy.
	You were actually one of the writers.
	I don't know what you're talking about, Carrie.
	Let me be very clear what Alien Autopsy was.
	Alien Autopsy was literally me tracking down the story, finding the film, the actual video where it existed, Going to England and securing the rights personally to the issues of rights to North America.
	All right.
	Taking all personal and career risk to make a program that I handmade almost single-handedly.
	Got a few of my top New York producers to help me out on it.
	Brought in one guy to help us who's made up a story on the internet that I want to get into tonight.
	And I don't know why anybody would have said what you just said.
	So it's interesting you need to say something.
	Well, then you need to go in.
	No, just let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	No, because you need to go in and correct your bio.
	The executive from the Fox Network, as I was telling you off camera tonight.
	But it is something I'm extremely proud of because I launched a guy's career at the network at Fox who became the American Idol Guru.
	So to me, the risk I took on that show personally and career-wise to get it made and get that footage in front of people, which by the way, was a test of our society to see how we react If you show an actual alien or pretended to be an alien, we don't know for sure yet.
	To this day, we really don't know if the alien autopsy is 100% fake or not.
	So let's correct the record just so we're here right now tonight.
	If you hate the show, if you love the show, if you thought the show shouldn't have been on, if you thought we should have done more research before we put it on, Or whatever.
	You're looking at the only guy you should be blaming.
	All right.
	No, that's excellent.
	Good to know.
	And I just want to say that maybe the record should be corrected.
	I find it shocking, actually, you said that.
	So I'd like to know where you ever read such a thing like that.
	Wikipedia.
	Not on the Wikipedia page.
	It's about my career or the Alien Autopsy show.
	About your career, yes.
	I have a copy right in front of me.
	I'm looking at it.
	Tell me who put that out.
	You know, Wikipedia.
	I don't know who does Wikipedia.
	What is the title of it?
	It's got your name on it, Robert Kvyat.
	I have to...
	But, you know, the thing is that...
	That's bizarre.
	Let me tell you one of the reasons I'm doing your show tonight.
	I'm going to talk to you about things like fake news, internet bullshit.
	There's no doubt tonight's going to be a fun night because that is a great segue in.
	If you're talking to the guy who lived it and you're giving information off the internet and repeating it back to your audience...
	That's fake news, Carrie.
	That's not vetted properly.
	And by the way, if you and I are going to have an interesting night tonight, I got to call you on that.
	You should have asked me about that.
	No, I'm going to call you on that.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey.
	I asked you.
	No, wait, wait, wait.
	Slow down.
	I asked you.
	It's a beautiful dictionary that you can change if you'd like tomorrow, if you could just somehow tweak it just right.
	No, hey, this isn't...
	So, let's get into this properly, by the way.
	No, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	All I want to say, though, is that actually, I asked you to send me a picture and a bio you preferred me to use, and you didn't send me anything.
	So, I had no choice.
	Cassidy, if you don't know Alien and Autopsy, and who was behind that show?
	I just looked at the...
	Hey, hey, hey.
	I just looked it up on Netflix.
	It's on Netflix, by the way.
	And you're not listed as a producer on that show, I don't believe.
	That's ridiculous.
	On the credits.
	I don't know if it's been changed.
	They show a director.
	I have a director, Tom McGuff, who worked on the raps.
	In terms of the actual show itself...
	There's no debate about the show.
	Okay, maybe this is a knockoff that I saw.
	If Netflix had any kind of...
	They had a couple issues they put it up about.
	They confused it with a show from England called Alien Autopsy, a movie with Anton Deck in it.
	But they did correct it to a large degree that I'm understanding.
	But Netflix is not the origin of that show.
	That show has been around in our culture.
	Sure.
	It has its own aegis.
	I mean, you can't bring the streaming site or Wikipedia for not informing the public properly.
	Not you, don't me, but people in general.
	It's so basically obvious of reality.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, well, all we can do at this point is sort of try to correct the record.
	Wait, if you want to get into the issue of who's taking credit for alien autopsy and the careers that have been sort of infused into the industry through my show and people claiming they were behind or not, we could have a wonderful conversation about that.
	It's a great segue into fake...
	B.S. in Hollywood, people getting the wrong impression of people's backgrounds and credits and how they get to where they get, we could have a nice conversation about that.
	Absolutely.
	Not just tonight or you reading me a Wikipedia page or something like that.
	Okay, okay, okay, okay.
	You should send me, I mean, you know, you should send me your bio.
	You should send me your bio and I will post it on my site.
	I'm not sure I even need to, to be honest with you.
	It's for your benefit.
	It's for your benefit.
	For people that go to my site, they want good information.
	There's an article in Time Magazine.
	Time Magazine.
	Yes.
	Called, I'm looking at it right now, Alien Autopsy or Fraud Topsy?
	It covers me, the executive producer, which is like a detective story.
	It's one of the most important articles written about aliens and television by Time magazine and Time magazine just did a another What is it?
	How many year anniversary?
	Ten years since the movie Alien Autopsy came out.
	And so it's out there in conventional, straightforward media.
	And I'd like people to look more toward those sources than what we're hearing tonight.
	Those are very nefarious sources.
	That sounds good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So as far as the Time Magazine article, we'll definitely look that up and see if we can get the link and put it on the site.
	So as far as...
	That's what I should give to you.
	Sorry?
	I should give that to you.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You're welcome to give it to me.
	And then I exposed the episode, the show, we exposed the footage in a show called World's Greatest Hoaxes, which is right behind me.
	World's Greatest Hoaxes, Chicago Tribune wrote about it, and it talked about how I exposed the film that I put on my own show called Alien Autopsy in the Chicago Tribune.
	And again, I want people to hear that tonight.
	Not about my career.
	Time Magazine.
	Chicago Tribune.
	With all due respect to Donald Trump, these are solid news organizations that covered UFOs and the phenomena of what these things are in major news stories coming off of the shows I did, which I'm very proud of.
	And what we're seeing right now are YouTube channels with clickbait being the concern where there's no vetting of anything.
	So when someone says to me, oh, Who is behind alien autopsy?
	I'm seeing a mixture of information.
	I go, huh?
	What?
	So it's really important to bring that up to your viewers tonight that We're living in a time right now that you have to be a really good consumer about what you're looking at.
	And there's all kinds of theories out there now about UFOs that, and aliens especially, that are just so over the top and insane in a way that people are putting out there.
	But then again, not so much another way.
	So we can get into all that too tonight.
	Okay, absolutely.
	No doubt about it.
	Listen, I am actually on the internet right now, and I'm getting the Time magazine article, and I'll try to put it in the chat as well.
	And what we have here is actually, you know how it is with magazines and newspapers, it's often hard to get something written back, and I believe this is 1995, if I've got the right article.
	You know, it's hard to actually get a good glossy article with pictures, etc.
	I'll give you the artwork and stuff.
	I'll give you the picture and everything.
	That would be awesome.
	Yeah, send me a PDF if you can.
	If you wanted it, I can almost do it now.
	No, no, no.
	Don't worry about it.
	But I'm saying when I found it on the internet, it's not the original.
	It doesn't have any pictures.
	You know, what's really good about, I'm glad you're mentioning for our discussion tonight, the Time Magazine writer Richard Corliss, who, by the way, was quoted again This last year, 2016, Time Magazine, I'll send this to you so you can put it up on the site after we're done tonight, they did a retrospective of the Alien Autopsy Show and the Alien Autopsy footage.
	And they talked about two things which I'm proud of.
	When Richard Corliss did the original story and interviewed me for it, he said that Fox was branding their network as the X-Files network, largely from two things, the X-Files and my special.
	And the special itself aired three times in like Three months, and we kept adding more footage.
	So they quoted me as saying, it says, Robert Kibbe, executive producer.
	I said, we're treating it like a detective story.
	That was what our goal was.
	To us, it was a detective story.
	And I stand out to this very day, because we really don't know the full, up backwards and forwards of that story.
	And again, it is probably the second highest rated, I believe, UFO related thing ever, behind this other thing called the Guardian story.
	Tell me, do you think it's true or false?
	There's no doubt we have footage somewhere, I believe, that looks like this.
	I think what happened, and could very well be the case here, is that there was a desire to tease or test the public, and somehow, some way, a very aggressive marketing guy got involved with certain people And it was given information to create this.
	Now, how much of it's recreated?
	How much of it is original footage?
	Well, some of it clearly is recreated.
	How much of it is recreated?
	We really don't know.
	According to Time Magazine and me and people that have covered it, it doesn't look like it's real, because it turned out there are people that have come out afterwards and said, maybe not.
	When I say Time Magazine, they're not the original article.
	The Time Online people in 2016 wrote that in my show called Fact or Fiction, the show was called Alien Autopsy, Fact or Fiction.
	So Time did correct the public and said I called it Fact or Fiction.
	Fact or fiction, they're claiming it's still unclear.
	According to Time Online, they feel there's a chance that some real frames from the original degraded film from the military cameraman could well be within the 17-minute film that the people behind it from England are claiming they recreated it To match what they were given when it degraded.
	Yeah, that's actually what I heard.
	Stretch your imagination here to believe that they had a real film.
	It degraded.
	They couldn't get it composed and put onto a viewable media.
	So they went off and recreated what it looked like with a special effects guy.
	But somewhere in that film are real frames mixed in with fraudulently created films.
	I can't even imagine what it is, but that's somehow being accepted by conventional news media today.
	I don't give it much credence.
	This must be a recreated film based on what maybe was true, and that's my best guess right now.
	All right, that's fair enough.
	I actually did hear some background similar to that.
	I know someone, I think it was, I can't remember who it was, cameraman or somebody who came forward at a certain point, not that Maybe a few years ago, maybe six, seven or more years ago, and said that he was actually told to say that he never filmed it and it wasn't true.
	And exactly what you're saying, that somehow it was a real film and then some things got substituted that were fake.
	So it's kind of like a composite.
	I have a lot more I could tell you about the story.
	That looked to me like it's a cabal.
	That there are people involved who had a mission to get the test of the public.
	That's what they wanted, to see how the public would react.
	And once they got their reaction, they were able to more or less admit that it wasn't real.
	But it took 10 years for that to happen.
	10 years.
	Okay.
	Now, what I'd like to do from here, though, is get into some more modern stuff.
	Aliens on the Moon, in essence.
	And we want to talk about your saga in making that film.
	And I do want to say, you know, caveats to you, because you have...
	Gone the gamut.
	You were there in the early days and you have some of the greatest contacts in this field and you basically brought some of this stuff forward.
	At a time when it was much more difficult than it is now.
	And God knows it's still difficult.
	I appreciate that, Kerry.
	One thing you did mention today, which I think I need to do that, Netflix has become a very big supporter of mine.
	Netflix picked up Alien Autopsy, Fact or Fiction, and two of my other Fox specials, which are very important to add to this information tonight to the public for you guys.
	Alien Autopsy Factor Fiction, in my UFO Alien work for Fox, was followed by a show called UFOs, The Best Evidence Ever Caught on Tape, hosted by Jonathan Frakes as a narrator, same guy from Alien Autopsy, followed by a second UFOs, Best Evidence Ever Caught on Tape, number two, Those three Fox shows are now available on Netflix.
	So you can see my little Fox package of alien material that is Alien Autopsy Factor Fiction, UFOs, The Best Evidence Ever Caught on Tape 1 and 2.
	Now, those two UFO specials have aired on A&E Discovery.
	They've aired so many times around the world, I'm proud to say there probably are no other UFO specials that have aired that much around the world.
	And one reason I'm so proud of it is I got a guy named Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former director of the National Security Agency, deputy director of the CIA, to come on and look at the footage we put together.
	And not only do I think these two shows have the best UFO footage ever shown in any two shows, but I think it's required viewing for anybody that wants to study UFOs and aliens and things like that.
	So those three shows are available on Netflix.
	Only because they found Aliens on the Moon, The Truth Exposed, they did for sci-fi two and a half years ago, and they put that on Netflix, and they liked it so much, they asked me what else I had from the past, and so they have now four of my shows, Alien Autopsy Factor Fiction, UFO is best evidence that have ever caught on tape one and two.
	And Aliens on the Moon, the truth exposed.
	Up until about three months ago, their license, as I understand it, on the Aliens on the Moon, got moved over to somewhere else.
	Well, it's on Amazon.
	I can tell you it's on Amazon.
	So yeah, that was up there at least up until three months ago.
	Actually, I linked it on my site.
	Your Aliens on the Moon is available on Amazon, at least in the United States.
	And also another channel we don't even mention, but...
	Alright, well, it's fair enough.
	No problem with that.
	I think we should plug them.
	I think it's fair enough.
	It's also available on Gaia.com.
	Gaia, yeah.
	Yeah, but again, people have to subscribe.
	That's pretty expensive.
	Now, still, but Aliens on the Moon, let's talk about that.
	Let's talk about how you got it made because it was an incredible saga.
	You told me this off the record, however you want to say it, but I'm sure you can relate that here.
	And, you know, part of this show and the reason we're doing this show is to talk about what's happening in Hollywood and how difficult it is for people to get real truth out there And people that are dedicated like yourself.
	And please talk about what happened to you in the making of Aliens on the Moon.
	Okay.
	Well, it's interesting we started tonight with even a vague reference that other people were taking credit for the Alien Autopathy Show, you know?
	Here's a show that kept me up at night, kept the executive up at night.
	We were worried that we could call hoaxers the next day if it turned out the thing was a fake.
	We took a lot of risk, a lot of personal stress, if you will.
	So for anyone to take credit for that is like insane in some ways, but because it was popular and successful, that's Hollywood.
	Welcome to the world of Hollywood.
	Then when you get into how difficult it is to get people to accept that UFOs and aliens might be real at the executive level of Hollywood to this day, you have to remember that after my shows were hit on both NBC and then Fox, then you show what happened after 9-11.
	There was this complete turn away from real investigations of the unexplained into faux shows.
	Completely fake investigations like ghost hunters.
	Completely fake in every way.
	You might as well have actors come in, play the part of the guys looking for the ghosts.
	You might as well just have actors and then special effects because they ended up getting next to zero evidence.
	It reminds me of the show on TV right now called Finding Bigfoot, which should be called Never Finding Bigfoot.
	So television has gone, in my opinion, down a very bad road of blending fact and almost no fact with fiction and calling it a reality show.
	So you have to keep that in mind as we continue this discussion.
	So when I brought Aliens on the Moon together, Now you have to understand, in 2007 or 2008, I was given three or four photographs that intrigued me.
	I felt after all the years, you know, I'm sure your viewers are very savvy in the unexplained UFOs.
	There were names like Fred Steckling and other people had written books about what NASA found on the moon and what they covered up and all that.
	And look, the truth of the matter is, up until Aliens on the Moon the Truth Exposed, the only credible, credible documentary ever made that I would say credible Showing anything related to UFOs near the moon or on the way to the moon or even the Gemini craft before the Apollo missions was a show Rod Serling actually narrate or hosted and there were two different versions of it.
	It was called UFOs It Has Begun and before that UFOs Past, Present and Future there were two versions of it and They had evidence, photographs given by NASA, given by the government, showing unexplained craft following Gemini, following Apollo.
	But overall, mostly nothing out there to make a show about.
	2007, or about aliens on the moon anyway.
	But 2007 or 2008 or so, I started to dig in deeply into this.
	And I got a hold of a particular guy named Alan Sturm.
	And Alan had taken the pains, really, of studying endless NASA photographs.
	What he did was he wanted to compare photographs he could shoot with a telescopic camera of the moon from his street, you know, from where he was standing, to what NASA had around the moon.
	He wanted to compare and make kind of a coffee table book out of it.
	He was an art guy, a computer graphics guy, a guy really well versed in teaching, well versed in graphics.
	He really took it on as a personal mission.
	Well, one thing led to another, and he started seeing all these structures in the lunar terrain, and it freaked him out.
	So I got ahold of a guy who knew him, He gave me all these photographs, and we were so close in 2009 to getting this on Sci-Fi Channel, but because there was a downturn in the economy, that whole nightmare with the real estate market and almost breaking the Bank of America and all that, they didn't have any money, so they said, Bob, sorry, we can't do the show.
	I went off and helped the Sci-Fi Network create a show called Fact or Faked.
	Remember, Fact or Faked.
	Are real videos on the internet real?
	Are they not?
	Are they fake because people can create with Photoshop and all kinds of stuff these days?
	Can you believe what you see on the internet?
	So I did two years, almost two and a half years of producing for that network sci-fi, a thing called Factor Fake to help create.
	And right at the end of that, I had a good enough relationship with the guys at sci-fi that I reintroduced the idea of doing this moon show.
	And when I showed them the new evidence I put together with this guy, Alan Sturm, it blew them away.
	They said, sure enough, let's make this show, let's do it.
	But there was a lot of weirdness to this show.
	They didn't necessarily want to make the show right away.
	They wanted me to write out two hours of television, what it would look like before we ever made the show.
	Months and months of working for free, for just trying to convince them they should make the show, and finally they said, okay, we'll make the show, and we'll offer you X amount of money to make the show, and everything looked great, so I flew back to New York for another meeting.
	We're producing it out of the New York sci-fi division, and then they said, sorry, we have to take away 20% of your money.
	Can you still make it?
	I'm like, what?
	So they said, can you make it?
	And by the way, we may have to do some other things, but basically we're going to make the show.
	So that would be great.
	So I assemble my staff.
	I start getting all everybody ready to make the show.
	And my lawyer calls me and says, hey, we got the contract.
	Look it over.
	So I look it over.
	I had done many shows at Fox, and I did one for USA Network, and I had worked at NBC. I knew enough.
	I said, this doesn't look right, Mike, my lawyer.
	I said, this looks like a crazy deal.
	What does a negative pickup mean?
	And he said, well, that means they're going to pay you at the end.
	And where am I going to get the money to make the show then?
	Well, you've got to get the money against the contract.
	You've got to go out and raise the money from a distributor.
	I said, are you kidding me?
	My distributor is Sci-Fi NBC. That's my distributor.
	Well, yeah, yeah, but the financier is going to have to be someone that maybe will sell the foreign rights or something like that.
	Oh, great.
	So it ended up becoming like a movie.
	We had to create this like a movie would get made.
	And a lot of times in movies, Carrie, what happens is they say, great, we'll put it in theaters or we'll put it in our studio system But you've got to get the money from investors and from whoever you can get to to exploit it later, like foreign theaters or whatever, but not in a TV show.
	That was very new to me, and I was like, this is craziness.
	So I found a way to put it together.
	I'm not going to say it was an awful beginning, but it started out being a little strange to begin with, because they wanted me to go to New Mexico to shoot the show.
	Why do I need to go to New Mexico?
	It's not Roswell.
	We're not doing the Roswell show.
	This is not New Mexico.
	Oh, you can go to New Mexico for the benefits of taxation.
	I say, you know what?
	Crazy.
	I can't get Buzz Aldrin to fly.
	Buzz Aldrin is going to be in the show, hypothetically, here.
	I'm going to get Buzz Aldrin to fly to New Mexico to do an interview?
	He's not going to do that.
	Edgar Mitchell, the lead Edgar Mitchell.
	Is he going to come to New Mexico just because we are doing it there?
	Well, I had to find a way to do the show where I shot some of the show in LA and some of the show in New Mexico, and the whole thing became a nightmare production-wise.
	Okay, but wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, but you used your own money.
	Is this not true?
	I used not my own money.
	I used a, or how should I put it, I was able to turn to a person that had feigned for years.
	He wanted to invest in my shows.
	And he controlled a distribution group.
	And he more or less waited for me to be desperate enough, in my humble opinion, to have me take a deal that was a difficult deal to make.
	But let's be clear.
	I took it.
	I accepted.
	I felt the show should be made because the public should know There are alien structures on the moon.
	It's important for the public to know there's something there that we need to look at and figure out.
	So that drove me, but to say that I took a financial risk on the show is accurate, and I paid the price on the financial risk, which we can get into.
	But more than anything, It was a lost leader.
	It was a show that was never going to make me any money because I could barely produce the show for the amount of money that I was being offered.
	I took my own fees and put them into the show just to make the show happen.
	So in that way it was my own money.
	I would say that, yes.
	Okay.
	Alright, so continue.
	So at this point, you make the show and continue with the saga.
	Well, anything that starts off, as people know in business, when you start off on shaky legs in the way the show is being created, the amount of money you're accepting, you know it's going to be difficult to do, then you're trying to cut corners every which way you can.
	You're trying to do things that are legal, fair in every way, but you're doing things that are customary to...
	The production.
	So the show was produced by a New Mexico corporation.
	I had a former corporation out of New Mexico, and it was produced in New Mexico, pretty much.
	That by itself was almost an impossibility, but I pulled that off.
	To make the show happen because of the money aspects, the people behind the show said to me many times, we know we tied your hands.
	Why tie my hands?
	That was the beginning.
	When the show was finally made and delivered, I started to wonder, where's the promotion?
	There was no promotion for the show!
	Luckily, I was able to get a lot of news organizations to cover my show because of the work I had done at Fox.
	They knew about my background.
	But they didn't know anything about this show because the sci-fi network decided to not promote the show at all!
	Why not?
	And it's a rhetorical question, Kerry.
	I don't have the answer.
	I've talked to the executives who are no longer there.
	I've talked to the executives that are there.
	I don't know what to make of it.
	I'm not going to tell you that I got a good answer.
	I did not.
	You'd figure Fox was amazing, first of all.
	They would promote the shows I made amazingly.
	They would go out of their way.
	I would give 50, 75 radio interviews.
	I'd give 45 newspaper interviews.
	Fox would be arranging those for me, mostly.
	Right.
	In this case, I had to go pull a rabbit out of a hat and go get the same kind of promotion with my own efforts.
	My publicist, me, knowing my background, You know, Sean Stone, he had me on his show.
	Whatever I could do to get this going, get people to know about the show.
	Luckily, there was a writer in New York named Linda Sass-Dassy, and she works for the Daily News in New York, and she was a fan of my shows.
	So she did a big story in the Daily News in New York about aliens on the moon.
	But she made a little bit of a joke about it because she said the alien, we showed an alien being a baby.
	I don't know if the Apollo 20 case is real.
	People can talk about that later.
	But we showed a woman that looked a little bit like Kim Kardashian.
	She looked like an alien allegedly.
	And she made a reference to this being a little bit of a real investigation of a show.
	But again, because the show wasn't promoted by the network or the channel properly.
	It never got the right kind of send up to the public.
	And so I was very, very fortunate that Netflix took it seriously and got it out there.
	Discovery just picked it up.
	Discovery has it running on Destination America now, and they can watch it on Destination America.
	It's running invariably the next two years on Destination America.
	And by the way, sci-fi allowed that to happen, which I'm very proud to say.
	They saw the benefit of me moving it from their air to a different network.
	And so for the last, I guess, what was it?
	Maybe six months?
	We're on Destination America on Discovery's channel.
	So you can see Aliens on the Moon, The Truth Exposed, on regular television.
	On Destination America, check your local listings.
	I don't know how often they're going to run it.
	They have the rights to run it a lot.
	I don't know how often you'll see it.
	So I want people to be aware.
	I'm not just trying to get kind of a pat on the back for making it.
	I think it's as important a show as anyone could watch.
	If just one of the photographs we show show a gigantic structure on the moon that was there before we built anything there, because we've never built anything there yet, right?
	What does it mean?
	Who built the structures?
	We're talking about massive structures, three, four, five miles wide.
	Okay, but you have...
	First of all, you have Buzz Aldrin on the show, and you actually did an incredible amount of research that isn't just about the moon.
	You're also going to Mars, right?
	Buzz is a fascinating interview, because when I interviewed Buzz, I interviewed most of the main people myself.
	When I sat down with Buzz at his place here in California, it was very clear that NASA was concerned about my interview.
	They had been on the phone with Buzz that morning, and they wanted to make sure that Buzz was giving the information, I guess, that they felt comfortable with, whatever.
	Buzz was gracious.
	He didn't want to talk about the moon so much.
	The agreement that we had, we would talk about Phobos, the moon of Mars, one of the two moons of Mars.
	I mentioned it earlier.
	I covered the face on Mars.
	I know about the rumors of Phobos being an artificial satellite.
	There is a model of some kind on Phobos.
	No one can explain it.
	It appears to be a rectilinear thing sticking right into the Martian moon of Phobos.
	It doesn't look natural.
	Buzz explained it in my show very clearly.
	An expert, very prominent guy, has determined it's not natural.
	It's an artificial structure on the moon of Mars called Phobos.
	He wanted to talk about that.
	He wanted the public to start thinking about Mars.
	He wanted Mars to be the focus of this interview, not our own moon.
	His famous line in the show, which I can remember almost like by memory, I said, Buzz, you'll see the response in the show Aliens on the Moon.
	The question was, Buzz, If you did shoot anything like structures that you're not going to look at tonight for whatever reason, you don't want to do that.
	I get it.
	I've tried, but you don't want to talk about it.
	Well, what would you say about it?
	He says, ask the people who built the camera.
	Ask the people who made the experiment.
	If there's anything in there that shouldn't be there, ask them.
	In other words, ask the people that design the cameras.
	What's that got to do with it?
	Shoot the photographs, not within the photograph of the guy who had the camera in front of him shooting, which is interesting.
	So it got Buzz sort of off the hook.
	He admitted they saw a UFO on the way to the moon in Apollo 11.
	He has diminished the story over the years from being what appears to be a UFO that followed them almost for three days to something that wasn't there, but they weren't quite sure what it was.
	He's trying to downplay it, but he's on camera in other documentaries, one very prominent one out of Europe, where he's talking about following them for three days.
	I mean, you know, they're afraid of saying, Houston, we've got aliens here, you know.
	So how do you take back what you said?
	So I was a very frustrated producer that day, but I respected Buzz enough to go, okay, you agreed, you'd give me an interview about as much as you could, but you want to talk about the moon and Phobos, that moon, not our moon.
	And then I would say to the public, if you look at my interviews with Buzz, stare at that monolith on Phobos.
	Something's happening.
	There's something on this moon.
	So maybe it's Stanley Kubrick.
	You know, vision coming true.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That there's a monolith, but not on our moon, on that moon.
	Okay, very good.
	Listen, what about just that?
	This is an aside.
	I know this gets off the topic slightly, but you know, what the hell here?
	So actually, what I want to ask you, though, is what we have is Buzz Aldrin going to Antarctica and the whole saga about him supposedly having a heart attack and having to come back.
	But this sort of Strange Twitter that came out from supposedly Buzz Aldrin, and I don't think it's been actually disputed convincingly in my view.
	So what we have is Buzz Aldrin saying, I've seen the face of evil.
	I think it's a supposed heart attack because I am not sure that's really what happened.
	So, did you hear anything?
	Backstory?
	Have you gotten any information about that?
	Do you know about what I'm talking about?
	Sure, and I don't want to overuse this to promote my next move into social media, but I want to make sure we're clear about this.
	I can't disagree with you more fervently.
	There is no evidence that that tweet is real.
	There is no evidence that Buzz Aldrin had a heart attack.
	There's only the evidence that Buzz Aldrin had some kind of a health issue going to Antarctica.
	Now, I didn't call up his handler, who I know from the interview I did a few years ago, and say, hey, by the way, so-and-so, is all this true?
	But in my new YouTube channel I am launching this week or next week, I do believe we'll get into this.
	I'd like to ask Buzz directly to put these rumors out, because what I think is starting, Kerry, is that We have a different level of veracity now accepted by our public, not only because of our president being a complete buffoon about our news media.
	There is nothing to say.
	Our own journalism ranks have dwindled down to a very paltry group who probably aren't paid enough money to do the proper job anyway, like I was saying before, like a teacher.
	So I don't blame the news media for being Not what it once was, the first state, if you will.
	But I do believe that there's more credibility in, let's say, the pinky of the New York Times, the pinky nail of, let's say, the New York Times and USA Today and LA Times and any other credible journalistic outfit than the typical YouTube channel.
	So having said that, I must tell you that I know your work from Camelot.
	Project Camelot and you work with Bill and I know you go back a long way.
	You do not fit the social media category that I'm describing.
	This is a huge amount of bullshit, bullshit out there from Channels that even today are going, and we're not clickbait, and we're really looking at, they don't look into it at all.
	So I ask you now, not to challenge you, but I want to understand, what tells you that that's a real tweet?
	What tells you that Buzz Aldrin really had a, wait, wait, a heart attack because he went to Antarctica and saw something that was pure evil?
	What evidence, if you were writing an article tomorrow in a newspaper where your byline mattered, that if you were found out to be wrong, you'd be fired, you'd lose your health insurance, you couldn't feed your children, Would you publish that article?
	Okay, listen.
	I'm looking at the internet right now.
	I'm looking at a, let's see, it's an NPR article.
	And what they're saying here is...
	National Public Radio...
	For sure.
	You know, it's for sure.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so all I'm saying is the quote here is that he had quote-unquote fluid on the lungs.
	Now, I don't know how much you follow news items today, but you can actually watch the news and you can get 12 different papers giving you 12 different pieces of information and they all conflict.
	I will categorically Not true.
	It's true.
	Let me finish.
	If you have an article written by...
	Wait, wait.
	Let me go back to this.
	USA Today, LA Times...
	No, no, no.
	Not nowadays.
	Let me tell you this.
	Reporters that if they make a mistake, Carrie, they'll be fired.
	They'll lose their jobs.
	No, no, no, no.
	We have proof.
	I don't have time on this show to go into this.
	Where USA Today, LA Times...
	Until they get their story in order.
	No, in the early days of any...
	And you've got like eight, nine different versions of it.
	Any, I can tell you, any terrorist...
	Look, it's documented so many times on YouTube.
	Show me what?
	It's before the newspapers get their stuff in order until they've actually gotten maybe their editors to slap them upside the head and make sure they're all on the same page.
	What we are getting nowadays are many, many mistakes on mainstream media.
	Press.
	And this is happening constantly.
	The copycat syndrome of news coverage has been going on for 50, 67 years.
	It's rampant, yes.
	And they're getting wrong information over and over again.
	Not such a varying degree that you're describing.
	No, they are.
	Absolutely.
	I would love one example.
	I don't have time right now to go into all this.
	Just one?
	Yeah, the latest London terror bombing.
	Give me how two papers...
	Okay, you know what?
	This interview...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	No, we're not going to go down that road.
	All I can tell you is I can send you links up the wazoo later.
	We're going to do this later.
	But at this point, all I can tell you is this is my opinion.
	You've got yours.
	It's all good.
	I want the people out there to know that your opinion is not the only one on this position, you know, on this subject.
	Oh, no.
	In fact, you know what?
	I'm joining social media to show that there's a way to do conventional vetting Still have a decent outfit like I'm sure you're trying to do.
	Alien autopsy is not even settled this late in the game.
	That's just going to show you what kind of mystery it was.
	Well, yeah, but you should watch the false flags going on around the planet right now, and then you will be able to add up the number of times the major media are lying.
	I'm not saying to you that a social media channel has to be that...
	That careful or have all the facts perfectly right.
	But what I'm saying to you is the bastions of journalism for years and years have predated us in this discussion.
	There were people whose livelihoods would be affected if they were so blatantly wrong.
	And for guys like Donald Trump or anyone else to assume that you could do a career and not be worried about having your facts straight, It's just living on another planet.
	That doesn't even make any sense.
	Oh, it does.
	It does if you understand the cabal running mainstream media and the fact that they had to lie about...
	Look, you were around all the president's men.
	Come on, you go back a long way.
	You must be aware of press...
	Suppressing the truth.
	Lying outright about the truth.
	It's so prevalent.
	It's ridiculous.
	Carrie, you know what?
	I like to make the analogy so your viewers will understand where I'm coming from.
	Yeah.
	The analogy would be America always says we're the greatest country in the land.
	We are the greatest country.
	We're not perfect.
	We're not perfect.
	Regular mainstream journalism is not perfect.
	But if we don't have that, what do we got then?
	If we give up that as a barometer, a goal to reach, and we all become our own little private news gatherers, Where are we going to be as a culture?
	I am not as worried about it as you are, obviously.
	I am concerned.
	I have two little children.
	That's a little anymore, but I am concerned.
	No, no, because I actually believe in the truth coming out.
	Through grassroots journalism.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I'm joining the fray.
	I'm a trained...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You have to have those credentials to bring that to bear in social media.
	One can't just show up and have that, you know what I mean?
	I have credentials, and I am somebody who both has credentials and believes in what is in essence grassroots.
	The only reason I'm on with you tonight is because of those credentials.
	So that's why I feel we can have a discussion openly.
	And a track record.
	Look, it's all okay because, you know, I want people to hear your story.
	I don't want to go down this sort of rabbit hole with you at this moment.
	Perhaps we'll have you back on the show.
	We'll bring our evidence to bear.
	You'll bring yours.
	I'll bring mine.
	And we'll have a whole...
	By the way, I never see it as like a competition with whose evidence is what.
	I see it, so everyone understands, I see it as a...
	A necessary thing.
	Who, what, where, when, and how.
	Absolutely.
	Five or six very important journalistic creedos.
	I'm with you there.
	Things to look for.
	But if you can't give people clarity on the who, what, where, when, why, and how, then what you're doing is you're, we, as a culture, are fanning sensationalism without any kind of So let's go back to Buzz.
	He brought up this thing about Buzz.
	Look, Buzz was being evasive in the interview with me.
	He clearly knows a little more about those photographs on the moon than he is saying.
	Anybody would just guess that.
	Okay, let me laugh.
	What about Antarctica?
	You think he knows more about Antarctica than you're saying?
	So let's go back to your story.
	Why don't we get into the bigger part of the story about the allegations that That there is this hubbub of activity in Antarctica now.
	Somehow, depending on your flavor of the week channel or YouTube channel or whatever, take your pick.
	It's because there is no real earth and we're living on a flat plain and Antarctica is actually an ice ring around the flat plain.
	Okay, rather than conjecture.
	Wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Why don't we go into...
	Flat Earth is becoming so used that Jimmy Kimmel has mentioned Flat Earth now three times in the last month on the show.
	Oh, why?
	Jimmy Kimmel is no gauge of what's true or what's false.
	You know, at this point, let's go down into what you know, what you've experienced.
	I'm telling you, what I know is this.
	There is no proof of that, although it's a fascinating story.
	There is a lot of activity around Antarctica that is coming out in the news.
	There is no activity that we know of.
	You can correct me where I'm wrong.
	Is that John Kerry went down there?
	There seems to be some kind of interest in Antarctica right now.
	I have whistleblowers.
	Excuse me, but I have whistleblower testimony.
	Who's the whistleblower you're referring to?
	I'm not going to give you their names.
	I have whistleblower testimony at this point that verifies this information.
	People that I have vetted over the years, more than one, who are attesting to the increased activity around Antarctica and And the possible reasons for that, none of which are probably actually in the mainstream news.
	But aside from that, I don't want to talk about...
	Has evil been found there?
	Actually, I would call Nazis evil.
	Would you not call them Nazis?
	So wait a minute.
	There's plenty of evidence for Nazis in Antarctica.
	Just so we're clear, so you've had involvement with a gentleman...
	Who has claimed he has all this evidence of Nazis.
	Nazis in Antarctica.
	Yeah, we have lots of evidence of that.
	Going back 10 years.
	I'm not going to sit here and analyze different people's things.
	I'm not as versed as you on those.
	But I'm going to say very simply that if anybody has evidence that Nazis escaped World War II with our help or on their own.
	Absolutely.
	It's called Project Paperclip.
	Can I finish?
	Can I finish?
	If there's evidence to bear that there are Nazis in Antarctica doing activities that have interested our own government enough to send John Kerry, Buzz Aldrin, whoever, and you have a person that can bring truth and validity to that, I'm all eager.
	I want to hear all about it.
	But again, it would have to be a level of veracity that I think anybody would want Okay, are you familiar with...
	Well, there's two writers who've written books about this.
	One is called Jim Mars.
	He's written at least 10 books.
	Jim Mars writes about every conspiracy under the sun for 20, 30 years.
	Yes, exactly.
	He's a very educated individual.
	He writes books!
	Yeah, right.
	Well, what do journalists do?
	They write articles.
	You're going to tell me that a journalist that's being told what to do by his editor, who's probably working for Rockefeller, is more informed than a book written by Jim Mars who takes years to investigate.
	Look, I'm a fan, I would say, of the Jim Mars.
	Are you familiar with Joseph Farrell's work?
	I've looked at some of it over the years.
	I've done some work with it.
	I have looked into some of the same storylines that he felt were behind the JFK assassination.
	I don't think he necessarily covered the UFO field as thoroughly as he has that.
	I know Oliver Stone's movie was made, a large part with Jim's book.
	But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that just because I have some interest in that, I'm going to say that Jim Mars has proven in through a book or anyone else that they're not.
	I'm giving you two well-known authors.
	You love the mainstream.
	I'm giving you two well-known authors in the mainstream, Jim Mars and Joseph Farrell, who have written books.
	Jim Mars has a book called The Fourth Right.
	They've written both books.
	What is in the book?
	Okay, what is in an article that is, what are you talking about?
	You know, we're talking about writers.
	You're making a claim to your viewers and to the world that maybe there's Nazis into America.
	You know, you're embarrassing yourself, so let's back up.
	I'm not embarrassing myself.
	Yes, you are.
	Your viewers may like that story.
	I love that story.
	It's not just a story.
	I'd love to see proof of that story.
	It's documented, okay?
	It's been documented for over 10 years.
	Where?
	I'll send you all the source information.
	I'm talking about one thing, Gary.
	Now, what I want to do is go back.
	Let's talk about Hollywood, okay?
	You're actually deflecting at this point.
	Let's go back.
	I'm not deflecting anything.
	Yeah, let's talk about Hollywood.
	Let's talk about Hollywood.
	Social media is an area that needs to start thinking about these things.
	Let's talk about Hollywood.
	Google and other people are going to start clamoring down on all of us if we don't really be good consumers of our own material.
	We don't blame it on a writer or a book.
	We want to know the evidence.
	What's the evidence?
	Yeah, the evidence is out there.
	Let me ask a question.
	You can't tell me the evidence just talking to me right now.
	Bob, there's a photograph of a page.
	There's so many books written about this.
	I don't have time to go into it.
	What I'm doing here is an interview.
	Bob, I'm trying to interview you.
	Okay?
	This isn't about Nazis in Antarctica.
	This is about your work.
	So let's go back to the story.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	You don't believe it.
	Let's go back to your story.
	Okay?
	This is about your movie making.
	Okay?
	We're talking and we're trying to talk about Hollywood.
	Now you know why.
	Let's get back to the story.
	Okay?
	Okay?
	Let's get back to what you do know.
	I think you're defensive for a reason I don't understand.
	If you say to me that there's evidence of that, I love that story, but I love what the evidence is.
	I get it.
	I get it that you're not familiar with the story, all right?
	We can educate you, but do not worry about that.
	It's not like an evidence like a photograph?
	It's like people saying things?
	No, there's a long documented history, and it's been written about...
	You know, look, you're not well-read on the subject.
	What can I do for you?
	With all the respect.
	You know, I can't help you.
	I'm probably more well-versed on the Antarctica story of what Admiral Byrd saw or didn't see and things like that.
	That's a long time ago.
	And you'd ever want to know.
	I don't know about that.
	So when someone says to me, I don't know the story...
	Nonsense.
	There's a meme going on right now.
	No, maybe you stopped studying it, you know, many, many years ago.
	Maybe you only looked into Admiral Byrd.
	All I'm telling you is that there are books, lots and lots of investigations done in Antarctica.
	Have you not heard of Project Paperclip?
	Seriously.
	Paperclip was not necessarily to go find Nazi bases in Antarctica.
	There's no guarantee of that.
	It's all part of it.
	Listen, what I'd like to do is go back to your work.
	That's conspiracy speculation.
	Bob, stop arguing with me and talk about Hollywood, please.
	I want to talk about something you know something about.
	Hollywood's guilty.
	Alright, what are they guilty of?
	There's a movie in the theaters right now called Phoenix Remembrance.
	I wrote the story of the Phoenix Lights in the UFO special in 1997 about the Phoenix Lights three months after it happened in a show in July of 1997.
	We all know the video of the Phoenix Lights, and we all know later on that Fyfe Simington, the governor, lied to my production staff, the Fox Network, and everyone at the time, and said there was no UFO gigantic ship flying through...
	The Arizona State that night.
	We all know now he was lying and he came up this four or five years ago, whatever it was, on CNN, whatever, and he admitted he lied to keep the public kind of like calm.
	Great, great story about UFOs.
	This movie comes out the last couple of days and they claim in the movie that the Phoenix Lights happened.
	Five Simonton lied, and then three kids were abducted by aliens, and their video camera dropped from the alien ship, where you see the abduction and everything, and the kids are missing to this day.
	Now, how is the average person, a young kid, 18, 15, 16 years old, going to separate fact from fiction from that, when you see the real video, or some of the real, I guess some of the real video, a very small amount of it, real story mixed in with complete confabulation and bullshit?
	So how can anyone figure out what's true about the Phoenix Lights if they didn't know the story of the Phoenix Lights?
	How would you know?
	That's a great way to get into this stuff tonight.
	That's what I'm trying to avoid in social media.
	If Hollywood would do that and social media would do that, what's the difference?
	Absolutely.
	So tell us about it.
	Tell us your experience with Phoenix Lights.
	I will tell you right now that when I did the Phoenix Slides for Fox and it's in the side, you can see it on Netflix tonight.
	Everyone can go to Netflix tonight and we're done tonight.
	When we're done with your channel, go watch UFOs caught on tape number one, watch Jonathan Frakes walk through for nine minutes the Phoenix Lights story.
	It was an amazing event.
	It clearly was something the government does not admit to properly.
	We have at least two different events during the Phoenix Lights.
	We've got these lights appearing above the mountain that were shot, and we've got this extremely witnessed gigantic craft coming through the state That no one can deny.
	Seen by hundreds of people.
	Which may not be the same event.
	And it may both be extraterrestrial.
	One might be government.
	It's so confusing to this day.
	I don't really know.
	But I know one thing the governor of Arizona admitted.
	He lied to my staff.
	He lied to the Fox network.
	He lied to other people throughout the last months before that.
	And all I'm going to say is, I believe it was an alien event.
	I do.
	I believe the government sort of tipped their hand.
	And by the way, there's a great woman, Frances Barwood.
	It was a councilman at the time.
	That's right.
	She's gone very public about Luke Air Force Base, the amount of people that were told and threatened that they spoke openly.
	As she said in my show, you can watch it on Netflix.
	She said it would be the end of their career if you spoke about it.
	A younger version of her.
	She's a little bit older now.
	So you have a congresswoman or a councilwoman from the state.
	That's right.
	Very much interested in getting to the truth of it.
	Phoenix Slice is an amazing story.
	And by the way, Fox would never have allowed me to embellish a story about kids getting abducted, made up completely out of fabric, fabricated out of a writer's mind.
	But in Hollywood, you can get away with that.
	You can't get away with that if you're writing a newspaper article.
	You'll be found out tomorrow for being a fraud.
	So I'm going to separate from people what is sort of like Veracity versus not veracity.
	There's a difference.
	Absolutely.
	So at this moment, what I want to do, though, is talk about Hollywood and why you think you had so much trouble getting aliens on the moon out there and also the fact that Fox dropped it.
	I'm not Fox.
	Sorry, sci-fi.
	I would love people to take the banter that we've had earlier tonight to know the frustration That a real journalist or someone who's, I'll say real, someone's trying to use journalistic techniques and ethics to get into fact, okay?
	So Hollywood has never put any stock in fact.
	All they care about is entertainment.
	When the news divisions were controlled by a separate group, not the entertainment division, the news, the nightly news, did not care about their ratings.
	Now everyone only cares about ratings.
	And everyone only cares about clicks.
	And everyone only cares about money.
	But at some point, truth is necessary.
	If we have a Korean dictator in North Korea who may want to launch a missile at us, then we need to know the facts about what's going on there or not.
	And we can't be misled by any kind of entertainment vehicle.
	We have a president right now who's an entertainer.
	It's obvious he's an entertainer.
	He's not a president, he's an entertainer.
	So if we let entertainment rule us, We're in trouble.
	I mean, you can just study ancient Rome and you'll know that entertainment was the big thing when Tubesville.
	So if all we care about is entertainment, where are we?
	However, the regular news has suffered greatly from so many things we know.
	Good, bad, or indifferent.
	It's a dying industry.
	Nobody wants to do it anymore because there's no seemingly benefit unless you're morally just predisposed to want to do something for your culture.
	So you're volunteering to be a journalist like you're volunteering to be a teacher and get paid next to no money.
	Fine.
	You know, just the last couple days they laid off a hundred journalists or a hundred alleged sports journalists at ESPN. My thinking is, because social media now makes it so easy, and a lot of people believe this, for you to get your scores, to get the highlights of games.
	You don't gotta go to your television and wait to watch ESPN at night now.
	You can get older today.
	But you also get your news that way.
	So my view is, if you're gonna make an impact in society, You probably want to work in the entertainment field, which I got pulled into, obviously, and you also want to do it well, but also maybe a fact in there.
	So I'm trying to make movies now.
	I'm trying to branch out into the film industry now and make movies that are based in real stories that have at least a degree of credibility because they're based in fact, and you're not embellishing too much like this Phoenix Remembered nonsense because Where are we going to go with a culture if we put half-truth mixed with totally fake and you can't figure out which is which?
	Disaster, I think, for our culture.
	So I decided to make a definite inroad to two areas.
	You two, and try my best, like you are, to do your version of what you believe to be truthful reporting.
	And then also do what I think to be the other side of it, entertainment, but informed entertainment, informed TV series and dramatic film, let's say.
	And try your best at that, because that's the only way you're going to get, I think, enough of a reach today.
	Network television looks down their nose now to answer your question.
	Fox, CBS, ABC and NBC. Feel that cable TV has glommed onto these mysteries and treated it so amateurly, amateurishly, and not very credibly, that they don't want to be part of it.
	They believe, and I've heard this directly said to me, by executives at the major networks, that cable TV, forget social media, cable television has sort of dumbed down This material, like Ghost Hunters was, like, to some degree, UFO Hunters was, to some degree, a few other things.
	I think UFO Hunters tried to be an incredible show, but, you know, when you go out there and you fake things and you go out there like Ghost Hunters did, nobody wants to see an investigation show anymore, entertainment television, because they know it's all, they think, they think it's all bullshit.
	So they don't give it any kind of credence anymore.
	And the regular networks are going, we're not getting back into it anymore, Bob, because it's been ceded to cable and then now ceded to social media.
	So where is the other vehicles now for us to create exciting and informative information?
	Well, it seems like feature films might be a way to go, but a bad example is the one I mentioned recently.
	I think Steven Spielberg's original Close Encounters might be a better example of, I think, where I'd like to see things go, which are based in some truth.
	You got Alan Hynek.
	J. Alan Hynek was with Steven Spielberg, the former head of or consultant of the Project Blue Book, who initially for the government was a debunker.
	Who became a believer in UFOs.
	And he sat down with Spielberg and they mapped out a storyline that made sense.
	He had Flight 19, a famous UFO event.
	He had air traffic controllers reporting UFOs.
	He had sightings over places where people reported seeing UFOs.
	So at least it's kept.
	The story within a semblance of truthfulness.
	And I think that's where I'd like to go.
	That's how I'd like to see things go for me.
	For me, for the reason I mentioned to you, just recapping.
	A, regular networks, broadcast networks, whose ratings are dwindled, I know, but they don't want any part of these type of mystery type of television investigations.
	Cable TV, you saw how sci-fi...
	Look, let's just say sci-fi didn't have the promotional hours available to give the promotion.
	Okay!
	Nothing personal.
	But why would you put a show on of any kind, especially as important as that, and time it to the 45th anniversary of the Apollo moon landings and not promote it?
	It doesn't make any sense at all, unless you're out of money or you're out of promotional vehicle money.
	that's sort of what I was told I don't know you want it you want to call it a conspiracy I don't know it was a conspiracy it definitely wasn't cool and it hurt my bottom line so okay well actually we do know conspiracies exist because a conspiracy is when two or more people plot something nefarious and very often diabolical against another group of the population be it one person or more
	So that's the definition of a conspiracy, and that's happening every day on the planet.
	So conspiracy is not a negative word.
	It's a perfectly decent word.
	You can use the word...
	Wait, wait, I'm not done talking, Bob.
	So you can use the word conspiracy anytime you like on my show because it is not a dirty word as far as I'm concerned.
	It's an intelligent word and people should start using it in its real definition.
	So what I want to ask you, though, is when we talked off the record, you did have some issues about what happened with Hollywood.
	The fact that there might be, God forbid, people would use this word, but Thank you.
	And showed it on screen.
	And so what you told me originally is there seemed to be something going on.
	And the reason we kind of connected on this is because I had a pilot that we did, and I'm sorry, it's not a great cable station, but TruTV, that basically we made that they got a call from the CIA saying if they couldn't run the show, that it would go nowhere.
	And then the director was fired.
	The producer was fired and eventually it just was put on a shelf.
	So that never went to series.
	So then you tell me your saga about your particular show having to do with some very similar subject matter, which had to do with our show is all about Mars, by the way.
	And so and all our witnesses and so on.
	And there were even a couple of witnesses that were Contrary witnesses, in other words, not in support of things like the face on Mars or remote viewing or so and so forth.
	So they tried to have a balanced approach, if you want to call it that.
	So at any rate, can you go down that road?
	Can you elaborate?
	I like where you're going with this because the three stories that come to mind for me are A, claims that The government was going to help a producer make a documentary, which became the one I told you about, UFOs, the one with Rod Serling later on, but it became UFOs Past, Present and Future, and then later on it was turned into this other show called UFOs It Has Begun.
	There is where the government actually helped, helped make the show, wanted the show on, and although they promised a piece of real alien UFO footage, They allegedly pulled it back, but gave the producer what seems to be, I just watched it before we got together tonight, 10 seconds of real footage of an alien ship landing.
	Okay, hold that thought for a minute.
	The producers behind that, the main guy, Robert Emenegger, was an advertising executive sought out by the military and government to make this documentary.
	So I believe it to be one of the key things in UFO and other kind of alien subject matter.
	People are going to watch that show.
	Ralph Sterling is a great host, and it's very well done for its time.
	Okay, then we move on to Linda Monahal.
	Claims made that HBO was going to make a documentary, but then got canceled because the government and whatever.
	Well, it's a heavy claim, so you really got to have a lot behind that if you're going to make that claim.
	Might have been they didn't really want to make it for whatever reason.
	Okay.
	Then we get into other shows, like even my show.
	Or what happened to you?
	The evidence you have to look at very carefully.
	In my case, all I can say is there was a lot of interest to make the show for three years, four years.
	Finally, when enough was presented to the network, Of reasons to make it, it would do well, it was a good time to make it, the public was ready for it, whatever, they agreed to make the show.
	But then set me up for failure.
	Why would you set somebody up for failure?
	The old expression, when you get set up for failure, why would you be set up for failure?
	Who would do that?
	Why?
	What's the point?
	So, that's what happened.
	We're set up for failure.
	We achieved it.
	I took a bath financially.
	I had all kinds of problems, but I wanted to make the show happen for the American public mainly, and it did.
	And they didn't block it from going on the air.
	Now, maybe someone got together with someone and said, hey, Kiviet's making the show, but you know what?
	Let's make it so difficult for him, he probably won't make it.
	He probably won't deliver it, and then we won't have to pay him.
	But they didn't make it so impossible for me because at least they gave me the deal and I was able to kind of march through all the little hurdles and get it made.
	In your case, I don't know all the particulars, I really don't know, but I can tell you right now that usually if a network puts money down, they want to make the most of it.
	And in this case they didn't.
	And people can make their own inferences from that.
	It's kind of weird.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And so you have been in Hollywood for many more years.
	I actually worked in Hollywood for 20 years, so let me say that as the disclaimer here in the beginning.
	And I know that you've been in Hollywood for many more years than I have, and perhaps more recently dealing with them.
	You're trying to sell shows right now, aren't you?
	If that's the word, I mean, I'll be honest with you.
	The idea of selling anything like I did for Fox earlier and this show for sci-fi two and a half years ago, those opportunities have become so fleeting, Kerry.
	There's no market for it.
	They don't want these shows on television.
	No one is making them anymore.
	No one.
	And when you try to even bring up the idea of a series, let's say that famous series Unsolved Mysteries I worked on, Seems like a no-brainer.
	Simple show.
	Host comes out.
	Most popular mysteries of the week or whatever going on in the world.
	People love mysteries.
	Donald Trump's a conspiracy mystery.
	He loves it.
	Everyone from, I hate to use these names, but you know all the cast and characters from Art Bell years ago on the radio to people now that are doing other type of shows in your subject matter.
	That's not a content for regular television right now.
	This is why the internet has become a huge bastion of this stuff and regular television does not have any desire to make these type of shows anymore.
	So I have to figure out new vehicles by which to bring these type of stories out.
	You're doing very similar type of things.
	I think it's great.
	I think the advertising dollars are going to be something we really have to look at right now, and that's the only thing driving social media right now to the success it has.
	If they pull the advertising dollars off of YouTube, if they pull the advertising dollars off of Facebook or anywhere else there are ads, There won't be any social media to speak of, really.
	There won't be any generation of ways to do that.
	So it comes right back to the advertisers.
	When the advertisers come to a medium, that's when you know you got something.
	So regular television is dwindling, the ratings are dwindling, advertisers are looking for other places to go, and so hopefully social media will be the fill-in, and channels like yours will grow, I'll start a channel that will grow, I'm a little concerned about that.
	I think we're seeing a lot of clamping down right now on what is what's called monetizable, what's not monetizable.
	It's a wacky world we're living in right now.
	Absolutely.
	Alright, well, let's go a little deeper though into the whole Hollywood story.
	I'm sure you must have some stories about what you've experienced in terms of what is in essence, if not coercion, if not outright coercion, then some moves to censor.
	I have to be very honest with you.
	If anybody would have experienced that before Aliens on the Moon, it would have been me.
	I got absolutely no pushback from any network at all on any show that I ever did.
	In fact, I was encouraged by the network They trusted me that I would apply.
	I'm not trying to say who's better than the other guy.
	All I'm saying is this.
	If you write a 5,000-word article on what NASA scientists know about the face on Mars and the guys that shot the images and built the cameras and are the planetary scientists planning the missions, you have to be as good and knowledgeable about that subject matter as the people you're interviewing.
	I'm sure you'd understand that.
	So when I bring my scientific journalistic thinking in, at least the network says, well, Bob's been there.
	He's done that.
	He's probably not going to let us down.
	There's a degree of trust there.
	But when I did the show for SyFy, I thought that would be the case again, and it was.
	But everything seemed to happen badly after the show was delivered.
	And after the show was getting ready for...
	Well, I don't know.
	Negative pickup, that's not a positive thing, and that's before the show was even made.
	No, you're right.
	You're right.
	The way they picked it up was almost to the point of absurdity.
	The people that I've spoken to in the industry that heard the story behind it were almost bemused by it.
	It was almost like, were they setting you up for failure?
	They hoped you'd have a conniption?
	You wouldn't be able to finish it?
	I mean, Who picks up a show and says, it's like giving the key, you know, a terrible analogy, just thought it'd be like five seconds ago.
	Let's say you have your kid driving your car and you're going to give your kid the keys to the car, but you know, no oil, no gas, you know, I mean, you know, who's going to give people the ability to make a program, but then pull back the money, force you to go places you have never gone before, Create something, basically, where you're not making any money to support yourself from the project.
	So who's going to do it?
	Who in their right mind would take a project like that?
	Well, only the guy that spent seven years building the material, getting the material together, thought the public should know about what's going on.
	So maybe I was a sucker coming along and they said, hey, this guy will do it.
	But they didn't give me the kind of money or support in the end that one would think they were very serious about it being successful.
	And that's the question.
	Why would you make something and not have it be successful?
	And if people watched the show tonight on Amazon Prime or Discovery Channel, if it was airing tonight, or they'd seen it on Netflix the last couple of months or so when it aired, They should call up SyFy and say, hey, listen, what happened there?
	Why did you give this guy such a hard time?
	If the public got involved and they started asking these questions, I'd love it.
	I love it.
	I don't think it would be helpful to me anymore to find out why this happened, but I'm still paying the price for that show in many ways.
	And one would have to wonder why you have to go through so much pain To make a program.
	Okay, let me ask you another question along those lines.
	So you're talking about pitching shows right now, and you're actually saying it's nearly impossible to pitch this type of show.
	And you know, I have come to you and actually pitched a show, right?
	And I don't want to talk about that show here.
	You can!
	No, but I don't want to.
	But the thing is that, you know, because we're protecting some Privacy and so on.
	When you pitch one show to one person.
	By the way, can I interject one thing?
	Because I think it might help you.
	No, no, wait.
	I have an agreement.
	I want to finish my question.
	One of the people in the show, Aliens on the Moon, The Truth Exposed, the agreement is to make a life story movie out of his life.
	Okay, but we're not talking about that right now.
	So what I want to ask you here, and we could talk about him at a later date or even later in this conversation.
	Okay.
	What I want to do here, though, I want to ask you this logical question, okay?
	I thought you meant that show, though.
	You started this conversation tonight with us saying that you know that there's anything that's ever been made in history, I think you said, and I'm Correct me if I don't quote you correctly.
	You said something like 50% of everything that's ever been a success in Hollywood and so on in history has had that sci-fi sort of paranormal element to it.
	Did you not?
	Did you not say that sci-fi is basically...
	I want to be very specific.
	Yes.
	Very specific.
	Okay.
	Anything in the feature film movie business?
	Yes.
	Anything in the dramatic TV series business.
	Yes.
	I meant specifically those things.
	Excellent.
	No, that's right where I'm headed.
	And here's where we've got to get into that really weird moment here.
	Not fact-based documentary TV, which is a very small niche.
	It always was.
	Yes, yes.
	Reality television, which really became more from what I was doing when I first came to Hollywood, which was dramatic.
	Not dramatic.
	There's documentaries that's called reality TV specials that morphed into what we call now unscripted dramas, which are the Kardashians, you know, ghost hunters to a degree.
	Which aren't that unscripted, as you know.
	Yeah, not that.
	I don't mean those.
	Those were not considered to be...
	In the 50% that was described, that's an offshoot.
	Let's still go down this road, though.
	Because if you know also that, you know, and I don't even know the statistics, but I know that, for example, my YouTube channel has 50 million viewers worldwide.
	What does that mean, 50 million views?
	Yeah, you know, individual, unique views.
	And the thing is that on YouTube, that counts for a lot.
	Let me say that.
	So within the medium that I'm in, it's quite large.
	Can I give you an analogy so you have one?
	No, actually you can't right now because I want to stick to this subject.
	Because that's sort of a way to explain the network TV or the industry you're talking about.
	No, because what I want to talk about here.
	Those are numbers that don't equate to what they're looking for.
	Doesn't matter.
	And what they're looking for is 15 million people watching it one time.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	Look, I worked in Hollywood for 20 years.
	I do get that.
	However, that's not my question.
	That's not my question.
	My question is, if you look at the statistics of what's going on on the internet and the fascination, really fascination, on the whole subject matter that both you and I cover, which is quite wide in my case, and I think fairly wide in yours.
	I'm not sure how wide.
	But it definitely involves paranormal, it involves UFOs, it involves aliens, it involves the moon, it involves what I call secret space program, etc.
	So when we look at that, and then you tell me that you cannot sell a show right now, In Hollywood on that subject.
	And the only way you think you can go about it is actually by doing what they did with the Phoenix Lights.
	Even if you don't like the story they told, they told a story.
	It's called Phoenix, I think, Forgotten or, yeah, Forgotten Phoenix or Phoenix Forgotten or something is the title of the movie.
	And it gets very low ratings, by the way.
	What movie is that?
	This one you're talking about, the recent one that's in the theaters right now, it's called Phoenix Forgotten.
	I don't think Remembered.
	I think it's called Phoenix Forgotten.
	At any rate, we're talking about the same movie.
	Probably right.
	Forgotten.
	Sorry, we're forgotten.
	It is, you know, whatever.
	All I'm saying is it is fictional.
	All right?
	It is fictional.
	I'm making a point here.
	So we know there's difficulty.
	You had great difficulty getting your documentary footage out, getting that show made, Aliens on the Moon.
	It's quite an achievement that you managed, even though they did some things to you that...
	Maybe would have taken down a lot of other producers that they might not have had the relationships you did or gone down the road to actually get the funding or the backing necessary to pull that off, right?
	So what we're talking about is, and I know in our case, This similar thing happened.
	And now you're telling me you cannot sell a show, even though you could back in the days of Unsolved Mysteries, when Sean David Morton was in that field, there was a lot of interest in these kinds of shows.
	So there's no interest right now, you're telling me, in Hollywood for these documentary topics.
	This is what you're telling me.
	Yeah?
	I wouldn't even know how to really take on all that in one breath, but I can say this much.
	If anybody could sell a show, That's based on the ratings and the amount of viewers that my show has achieved.
	It would be me.
	So I took the ratings that I've gotten on my programs and shown brand new material to several networks over the last couple of years.
	Every one of them has told me this belongs either on cable and then the cable networks have said to me Well, if we could find a compelling character or ridiculous kind of things that make no sense when we're talking about documentary, truth, information, that type of thing, why are we looking for a character?
	Like, if you could find me a person that...
	You know, has lived it and breathed it and is compelling and is between the ages of 24 and 27.
	I mean, you've got to understand.
	It's gotten down to a micro-micro-management now.
	And let me get this clear to you and your viewers.
	To be able to justify 500,000 people watching.
	I come from New York.
	If you would have said to me, we're going to get, on a good day, We're going to get a million people to watch our show.
	I would say, yeah, that's like a little part of Brooklyn.
	I don't even understand making television for 800,000 people.
	But now, compared to what we see in social media, 800,000 people at one time is pretty good.
	So, you know, I'm just being honest with you.
	If they would buy a show from me that would give them a fraction of the ratings I used to get at Fox, or even what I got on the Sci-Fi Channel, I do it tomorrow as long as they're paying me a fair rate, but right now the numbers are so low in what they're going to pay, and they're so low in terms of their expectations of the viewership they're going to get, it's like a spiraling downward scale of bad business to be in.
	I hear you.
	Now my question...
	So you're looking for outlets like me.
	I'm looking for outlets that will compensate you for doing Interesting, well-produced television.
	And there aren't that many out there that want to do this type of thing.
	So as I was indicating to you off camera, off the show, I've been asked by a few Hollywood executives to take the stories that I've done on television.
	Let's say one of my...
	You can go watch the UFO specials I did on Netflix tonight.
	There are probably 15 stories in each one.
	So there are 30 stories or 40 stories.
	Each of them could be its own...
	Series or mini-series.
	So the idea is take stories that are truly compelling, have really important evidence, no offense, but things you could point to tangibly, video, audio, physical evidence, and make a compelling argument that there's a story there to tell, and then bring on actors and recreations.
	And you know, one of the beautiful things I love about this Episode I did on Unsolved Mysteries years ago.
	I did it also with my UFO specials, Best Heavens Squad on tape number one, but the Guardian UFO that I did, the famous story on Unsolved Mysteries, they said to me, Bob, we're not going to even have to do a recreation on this.
	But sure enough, because we have the actual video, we have the UFO hovering, blinking, and doing amazing things optically, but we don't know if it's on the ground or it's hovering above the ground.
	The witness says it came in and it left.
	So in our recreation, we took the actual video element of the craft and we moved it off the ground and fly away.
	All in the computer graphics, but using the actual video element To make that.
	So one of the executives heard about that the last couple of years, and he says he wants to make TV series with me that would be like that.
	You have the actual evidence, but you work with the actual evidence, and you're not just making it up.
	And then, of course, actors play the part.
	I mean, I think I mentioned tonight someone that you probably don't want to talk about tonight.
	I think he would want us to talk about him tonight.
	In fact, I'm sure of it.
	And so I think it would be a good way to end it tonight.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, we can do that.
	I mean, actually, we can do that in a number of ways.
	But I don't want to violate any sort of privacy on his part.
	I know I'm not, because I know he asked me to do this a few days ago.
	All right.
	Well, since he's not here.
	But John Leonard Walson is somebody that we're both in contact with.
	And John Leonard Walson and...
	Camelot are working together on a possible TV pitch, you might say, to pitch a show to various parties.
	And we are in talks actually right now with the production company on this story.
	So it involves his work because his work is stellar and I'm a great admirer of his work.
	And we've also made a couple of small videos on my channel, one in Malta on a rooftop.
	At the Intercontinental Hotel using, actually not even using his telescope, but using a telescopic lens connected with a computer and basically videotaping UFOs in real time.
	And so we put that on the internet and we have another one that we also did not that long ago.
	So the thing is, and actually we're going to be doing some more stuff with him in the near future, even just on my conferences and stuff where he's...
	Agreed to do some what we call sky-watching with us, and he has amazing equipment.
	And his video channel, if you go on to put his name in John Leonard Walson, you'll see his amazing footage of the moon, etc.
	And you, let me say, you are the, I think, the only person who ever got his footage on real television.
	Well, I'm glad you pointed that out, Carrie.
	Yeah, in your show, which people, when they hang up here, are going to go watch, probably.
	Yeah, and I just want to make sure...
	That you reiterate, or we make that clear, that John Leonard Walson, who I hope you can make a series with him, he is someone that I spent over, like I mentioned, from 2007-2008, I was introduced to him because he shot a UFO video,
	going by a different name at the time, and that UFO video was so compelling to me, of a flying disc flying through a bunch of planes at an air show, And a silver disc flew away and hovered and waited for a photograph like a scene.
	And I stayed so focused on this guy's history.
	And we stayed in contact over a decade almost.
	And by the time I got Aliens on the Moon as a show, I asked him, could I use at least the two moon images that he shot?
	And he agreed to let me put in Aliens on the Moon, the Truth Exposed.
	The UFO flying over the moon, leaving what looks like a lifesaver shadow on the moon.
	And what I believe to be either the most important video in my show, or fake, which I don't think it's fake, so that tells you what I think it was.
	It's a gigantic square on the moon.
	And let me give people an idea what we're talking about.
	A square the size of a city.
	Maybe more than a city.
	Imagine a cube on the moon the size of maybe, I'm going to guess, five miles square.
	So if John Lennon Walson is somebody that you're going to make a series about, then you've got to remember, it's a guy that shot with his telescopic camera a gigantic square sitting on the moon.
	And by the way, just recently, and I did not verify...
	Did not verify this yet.
	There appears to be another video shot by somebody else that may be of the same square or a different time similar square on the moon.
	So I'm still about trying to prove a lot of the images in my own show or what they look like because it appears they are but knowing they come from the NASA vault They're from the NASA pictures.
	I can't imagine NASA's faking their own pictures.
	But again, I want people to understand that I'm not even sure.
	I can't be 100% sure that John Lennon Walsh's square is real, but I don't believe he's lying.
	So there you go.
	And then the UFO going around the moon, leaving the shadow, Fantastic imagery.
	I mean, you can't deny he's got some amazing ability.
	So I think he's a fascinating guy and I, you know, I have had people say to me, you know, why would you stay focused on someone for a decade like this?
	Well, he's a fascinating individual and we both know, you and I both know some things about his backstory, that he might be the most fascinating guy that I've met in the UFO field, but Just to remind,
	to give you some help in getting your deal done, here's a guy who shot maybe one of the best UFO videos from the ground, the best unknowns in the sky, these interstellar craft that God knows what they are.
	They look like gigantic arrays performing like some sort of mechanical maneuvering that no one can even explain what they are.
	And then he shot, of course, some of the moon imagery that's in my show.
	And then he shoots endless pictures of what appeared to be videos of the moon on a nightly basis.
	So if anybody could get some great evidence, it's him.
	So I give you guys a lot of luck and credit and go for it and whatever.
	But I indicated to you, and I think it's fair to say to your viewers, that I promised to give him more of a life story approach.
	I'm trying.
	Yeah, and that actually, you know, would be equally wonderful.
	But actually, what I want to do here, though, is actually wrap this up, and then I want to get some questions from the chat, because everybody, there's been quite a dialogue going on there while we're talking here, and people are quite, you know, interested.
	I'm sure.
	Yeah.
	This wasn't your, like, what's the term?
	This wasn't your grandfather's, like, you know, conspiracy talk tonight.
	This was, you know, we're getting done some serious things here, Carrie.
	Absolutely.
	I think it's good.
	Absolutely.
	It's what people call good radio.
	I think so.
	You don't want to sit here and, like, you know, have a boring interlude here with me, right?
	Absolutely.
	So, along those lines, what I want to wrap up here is with this whole notion of pedophilia and I'm glad you brought that up.
	To reptilians and greys and the whole nine yards.
	That's a great idea.
	You are interested in this subject, are you not?
	What was the last thing you said?
	You're interested in this subject, are you not?
	Let me say this to everyone.
	I was challenged by an executive here in Hollywood to To write what I felt was like the definitive movie treatment of where we are with UFOs today.
	And I think I hinted at it at the beginning of the night tonight about the reptilian thing.
	For a long time I didn't want to give any creeds to this reptilian thing about video, about photographs, about evidence, and I've never seen an actual photograph that I felt was credible for the reptilian.
	But years ago there was a book put out It's called The Matrix 1 and Matrix 2, and this is the early, early versions of this reptilian saga.
	And there are pictures in this book that apparently show what could be reptilians.
	Now, if you start expanding this out to, and I'll just do a little thumbnail story, and you tell me where you want to take this.
	What ufology seems to have grown into or devolved into?
	Questioners coming out tonight could get into it tonight if they want.
	But it seems to devolve or evolve into the following.
	And David Icke is making a very strong living in this right now.
	And he's captivating thousands of people in six or seven hours of the clip.
	So I guess it's, you know, fairly compelling information.
	That there is a Draco-reptilian race that has been dealing with humanity for eons.
	that the old expression that we have reptilian brains and that we also look a little reptilian when we're in the womb and we have a little tail there if you look at like a baby so there's this connection simplifying this that reptilians have been involved in our genetics they've been involved in our development they're now controlling the earth through some of the reptilian bloodline going through queens kings You
	know, the leaders of our world for hundreds and hundreds of years.
	That these reptilians now are controlling the world through a cabal that's a new world order.
	That these reptilian beings can do shape-shifting, can look like humans, can turn because they're sort of interdimensional beings and they can kind of like morph and kind of change and maybe even the Queen of England, there's a rumor out there that Putin was afraid to be too close to the Queen because he could see her reptilian side and he got freaked out and these are all crazy stories but you know what?
	The more you look into it, It's a little hard to throw away out of hand and so the idea that the Rothschilds and the families that were allegedly involved in the Bilderberger group and the people that are rumored to control the world through the New World Order have ties to the reptilian beings and then we want to take it to the next level I guess that reptilian beings and other aliens like the greys that are working under like the greys are working on the behest of the reptilians and
	Doing the abductions and taking ovum and taking sperm and doing genetic manipulation at Dulce and other places.
	This has become one of, as you I'm sure know, if you Google search this properly, one of the biggest mystery conspiracies that people are into around the world now is the reptilian alien conspiracy, which links into...
	Pizzagate.
	Because if you really look at it through a very, very, I think, microscopic eye, really, get right down to the weeds, John Podesta was a well-known politician interested in UFOs, maybe more than anybody.
	And he had said in 2015 that one of the biggest regrets he had was that UFOs were not made more public or it wasn't a bigger revelation of 2015 and he really wished it would have been.
	Hillary Clinton went on Jimmy Kimmel and said she's gonna make it a big deal if she's president.
	The next thing you know, John Podest is hacked to the point where They find emails that indicate he is part of a cabal that may well be tied into child pedophilia.
	And where child pedophilia leads to aliens is, if you follow the bouncing ball, reptilians, maybe other alien races, if you believe this, get off on human suffering.
	Get off, literally, on human stress.
	And maybe the number one stress they seem to love is child stress.
	That is not only becoming more of a known cultural mystery, but we both know there's one channel right now, or one streaming channel, that's making a huge amount of buzz about this entire thing.
	And I don't know what to make of it though.
	But I have written a treatment for a movie that does get into a little of this.
	I'm not ready to say that Pizzagate involves our governmental leaders abusing children at the behest of reptilian aliens or anybody else.
	But there are a lot of people who seem to believe this.
	I'll leave it to you.
	What do you think?
	Did I miss anything here?
	No, I think you did a really good job.
	That kind of covers a great deal of that sort of can of worms, I guess literally, that I wanted to end with.
	So the fact that you are interested in this, the fact that you are working on a possible movie, treatment, whatever you want to call it, And that you might be investigating this.
	We can use all the help we can get, obviously, in this story, because I have a tremendous amount of witnesses who will corroborate this information.
	Can I add one thing that I think I'd love you to investigate?
	And I'll give you the name of the guy we're off tonight, and we'll definitely have a chance to get you into it.
	Let me just check one thing.
	So...
	I really, I gotta tell you, I'm getting a text about this.
	People are lighting up my phone about this interview.
	I told people to watch, so I said, great, a lot of reactions.
	Good for you.
	I came across something today, and Kerry, I'll be honest with you, it was very emotional.
	I really didn't give much credence to the idea that banking and the banking system, that there was proof that the banking system is involved in any of the things I just mentioned.
	I didn't say it wasn't true.
	I said I never saw any evidence of it.
	Well, today a fellow YouTuber sent me something today.
	And I was freaked out.
	It is an interview with a major banking person.
	And he breaks down crying in the interview.
	Which I will have to tell you, if a jury was watching, I believe at least the majority of those jury members in the booth would say he exposed it.
	Now, this interview exposed that when you get to the highest level of banking, you find out that the world is in control by about 8,000 people.
	8,000 people.
	Small group, really, when you think about how many billions are on the planet.
	8,000 people.
	I go to ballgames all the time.
	I mean, 8,000 is like, you know, a lower-level section of Dodger Stadium or Citi Field in New York.
	We're talking about a small amount.
	You know what I mean?
	8,000 is not a lot of people.
	You know, outside, you know, baseball on the other side of the fence, maybe, on the, you know, the bleachers above the wall, really?
	That's 8,000 people.
	They control the world through money, according to this individual.
	He cried like a baby in the interview.
	And it leads to pedophilia.
	And it leads to abusing children.
	And why would he lie?
	Why would he lie?
	Okay, do we have a name for this individual?
	Yes, I actually feel that only because I just watched the interview today, I just want to make sure when I give you the name at the end of the night, you jump all over it.
	You can get into it totally.
	But I don't want to say the names on the air because You could bring it to your viewers.
	My view is you could probably look at this for weeks now.
	That's how deeply an interview...
	This interview needs to be looked into.
	The individual that gave me the interview had it very much correct, I believe.
	He's a Dutch banker.
	He apparently retired at a very young age and apparently was so freaked out.
	The story that I'm hearing him tell is as he started to piece together that the money flows from governments and banks To terrorists.
	To cause wars.
	To cause pain.
	To cause suffering.
	And at the end of the day, the people running everything are involved in this pedophilia, abuse.
	And he was asked to participate.
	And he said, I can't do that.
	And that was the breaking point for him.
	So this guy's for real.
	And you verify this guy's for real, Kerry.
	Your channel may blow up like you've never seen.
	But my feeling is, as this YouTuber who told me about this told me, I don't think you'll be able to monetize it.
	I think it will be flagged.
	Yeah, sure.
	So we're living in this world now that even if you try to...
	And think about what we were just talking about for the last 10 minutes.
	We're talking about UFOs, reptilians, and now we're talking about the banking system being controlled by people that will literally cause wars, bring demise to the world.
	Well, wait a minute.
	The biggest thing he said was?
	I'll let you fill in the blank.
	What is the religion of these people?
	Well, I suppose they're going to say Jewish, right?
	No.
	Although I will say, I'll give you a hint, it looks a little like a star.
	Oh, Satanism, you mean?
	You better believe it.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	So here we have a banking official.
	Okay, but his name is all over the internet right now.
	So you don't have to keep it quiet.
	His name is Ronald Bernard.
	You got it.
	But with what?
	Ronald Bernard.
	You got him.
	And, you know, people can Google it as they say.
	There you go.
	I didn't say it.
	You did.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yes, worth investigating.
	And people are already on the trail.
	You know, this is the kind of thing, of course, the Internet loves to investigate.
	So I will do my part.
	If he's telling the truth and you can't imagine a guy's going to cry like that, you know, you can't imagine he's faking it.
	You just can't.
	It gives you the chills when you watch this interview.
	It's chilling.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, look.
	This has been actually a rip-roaring time, as they say.
	And you are wild.
	And to talk to, you're like unstoppable.
	You're a force to be reckoned with.
	And I think you should have your own show.
	But, you know, I've enjoyed it.
	By the way, on that note, there was more to that story of me getting a show.
	And how it got pulled.
	And I will tell you, if you have me back on ever again, I'll be more than happy to tell you about a friend, a dear personal friend, who pulled out of a show that would have me on TV. And how he pulled out was so bizarre, and the line was, I can't believe I'm doing this, but I have to do this.
	So the executive said, you know this guy, Bob.
	Almost your whole life.
	And you would do that.
	I know I can't believe I'm doing it.
	So there are really weird things, Carrie, that have happened that I've not told you some things.
	But again, people get hurt in this business.
	I have a question for you.
	Have you ever wondered about our own safety doing things like this?
	Sure.
	Stories like this?
	Well, I've had my life threatened.
	I assume you have, right?
	This goes with the territory.
	I would say to you...
	No, but in other ways lately, you wonder if they're trying to kill me.
	Absolutely.
	Not through a gun, not through some poison.
	You know, if I vanish tomorrow, there's a story for everyone.
	Plausible deniability.
	That's how they work.
	Listen, I want to allow people to ask some questions.
	I don't know how much we're going to be able to bring this down that road, but let me grab...
	By the way, sorry if I got a little friction-y, but this is what we're in right now.
	We're in kind of a frictional moment in our society.
	Absolutely.
	So if people can put them in all caps, it's really helpful when I'm searching, which I am doing right this second, up and down the chat to look for a solid question.
	Also put a question mark.
	That also helps.
	And by the way, congratulations on the growth of your channels.
	Channels like yours that have given me enough of a kind of like feeling of confidence that you can do something with this and make some headway in social media.
	Good for you.
	Well, thank you for that.
	You know, we do our best on a very small budget, which is, you know, all donations, bottom line.
	So that's, you know, that's where it's at.
	And thank you.
	Again, to all the people that have supported us over the years.
	It's been 11 years of doing this.
	That's great.
	The people came out from the very beginning for what we were doing.
	They understood that we had a serious goal, which is to get the truth out.
	We're still working at it daily.
	So, we've got the banker stuff out there.
	People are asking, you know, the name, and that's typical.
	There's lots of stuff on bankers.
	Of course, we know about the banker suicides and all of that.
	You know, what we call forced suicides, and we've got all kinds of testimony in that regard.
	I'd love to know more about it.
	I've not heard much more today, obviously, but I've not heard about the banking.
	Here are my suicide categories.
	I know about the SDI suicides and killings, and I know about some other in the UFO field.
	I don't know the banking suicides.
	I'd love to know more about that.
	Yeah, I'd love to send you some stuff on that.
	Okay, so let's see.
	I'm still looking for...
	One would think a banker, you know, has money, can live his life beautifully.
	Right.
	I always wanted people to kill themselves that are very rich.
	I mean, like, what level of...
	Well, no, this is gun to the head jumping off a building because you basically are trying to be a whistleblower and they don't like it.
	Or are you talking about murder by suicide?
	Yeah.
	They didn't really kill themselves.
	Exactly.
	So NASA, somebody wants to know, do you think NASA is on the up and up?
	Well, I think we need to...
	This is another night.
	The Flat Earth thing, I think, has really expanded out from the idea we didn't go to the moon and it was all fake.
	I think to presume that NASA itself is a cut-and-dry, a felicious organization, it's ridiculous, okay?
	But whether or not NASA is a pawn and there's another space program besides NASA, I would think it's very plausible.
	And I think NASA is more of a front.
	And I also think the origins of NASA are so freaky.
	And we all know.
	Tonight we locked horns a little bit on the provability of Nazis finding refuge in Antarctica and doing things that we can get into that yet, what they're doing.
	But the idea that NASA was formed largely by Wernher van Braun, Other Nazi scientists we captured that were building V2s, and then the guy who ran the JPL was a board-certified Luciferian.
	That's right.
	Parsons, Jack Parsons.
	You know, I moved to LA. One of the reasons why I wanted to come here was to study at the school of JPL, so to speak.
	You know, learn about the scientists, learn about the Mars missions, learn about the Apollo missions, get to know the JPL people.
	I've been there a lot.
	I never once thought of it as a Luciferian organization.
	But then when you look at the origins of JPL, it's freaky.
	And then you get into this whole Flat Earth, which, by the way, I'm not saying the Flat Earth has That much credence.
	But I'll be damned if anyone can explain to me why you end up with five or six images of the Earth ever.
	The continents never are the same size.
	I mean, if I had the NASA administrator in front of me right now, I swear to God, I would ask him only one question.
	Not about aliens.
	Not about the government.
	Dude...
	Why can't one freaking photograph of the Earth, and you only have a few with all these satellites spinning around the Earth, they never look the same?
	What the fuck is going on?
	So I think someone needs to ask that.
	And I think if we don't get that answer, as remember the old Lucy show, there's a lot of explaining to do.
	And then you go down that rabbit hole of, why is some of the ISS footage seem to be faked?
	What's going on?
	Okay, someone is asking about the Satanism in Hollywood.
	What do you have to say about that?
	Well, sadly, there are these cases that we all know that are real, that a few major prominent executives have taken to abusing children and doing awful things.
	And I gotta tell you, there's a lot more to the Illuminati infatuation With Hollywood people, whether or not they really aren't any kind of Illuminati, Cabal, New World Order, abusing children, some sort of a ring or not.
	You know where there's smoke?
	There might be fire.
	I have not seen any.
	I'm not someone who goes to, you know, I have a very normal life.
	I have two pretty young kids.
	I have a girlfriend I love.
	I run around Hollywood parties.
	But I have heard stories about Hollywood parties that are pretty freaky.
	And your guess is as good as mine, but I've not seen...
	Most of the people I've dealt with, even the guys I dealt with at Fox or at SyFy, very straight people.
	But again, I've heard some stories that look to me like this.
	Again, if there's smoke, there's fire.
	And there are these, not to confuse your viewers, but there are known cases of major, major executives in Hollywood that have...
	Been prosecuted for some of these things.
	Okay.
	What about the record industry?
	This is not a question in the chat.
	You want to get into that.
	That gets down to, I was at a meeting at one of the big networks, Cable.
	The executive in charge, we were going to make a show about a lot of the hacking that's going on now.
	It's like two years ago.
	Way before this happened, how we're living in this hacking, George Orwell, your neighbor could hack you, whatever.
	And I went to the meeting, second meeting, and I showed them how the entire music industry, the pop culture music industry, rappers, whatever, they seem to love showing Illuminati symbols, references to Illuminati, References to even something called back masking, where they put music in reverse, like I Buried Paul or I Killed, years ago with the Beatles.
	Now it's really, they're really putting in some kind of, I'm not saying who's doing it.
	That's what's weird.
	We really don't know where it's coming from, but you play the music backwards and you hear Illuminati references to World War III and Satan is great.
	And my own child was going to do a, a 14-year-old was going to do a report in school last year in this whole thing.
	So it's a very well-known thing that the rap music community is aligning itself with satanic and Luciferian symbolism.
	Even the Grammys a couple of years ago, as I showed the executives, they're all wearing horns, singing to ACDC's song about the devil.
	It's not funny.
	It's not funny when adults leading society...
	Are making references that the devil's good.
	Even if the devil's just a thought of debauchery and doing bad things.
	So there seems to be this satanic Luciferian love affair.
	And either, it's one of two things, obviously.
	It's really there, you can't deny it.
	I mean, shirts wearing Alistair Crowley shirts.
	Symbols they're making.
	Clearly trying to look good.
	Luciferian.
	Look satanic.
	Maybe it's for ratings, so to speak.
	Maybe it's for marketing purposes.
	Okay, you've seen this in music.
	Could you think of any record executive that would say, yeah, yeah, put a digital signal in it so that when it's played backwards, you'll hear all the satanic stuff.
	Well, I guess they exist.
	And look, don't blame me.
	There are kids in the schoolyard today and yesterday and tonight.
	Tomorrow morning.
	Talking about this like on the bus on the way to school.
	So someone needs to get to the bottom of it.
	Absolutely.
	We should.
	Well, not only that, but let's look at the incredible satanic emphasis in movies and television.
	Visual.
	We're talking visual.
	More than ever.
	Symbolism.
	Every Hollywood movie has a triangle somewhere in the beginning, you know, with the eye.
	If you track all this stuff through, it's a very heavy emphasis.
	It's not just movies, it's also television.
	And a lot of the stuff is...
	Actually, the violence in television has become more satanic.
	If you happen to watch, you know, what are scripted television shows.
	No, you're right.
	Before it was like, how many murders per hour would that be?
	But now it's a whole storyline behind it.
	It used to be shooting somebody in the head or something.
	Now it's really gross.
	Now it is actual, you know, all kinds of horrible stuff going on.
	What do you think it means?
	Well, I, you don't want to get started with what I think.
	Because that's going to get into a whole thing that's going to be so down the road.
	Well, the gentleman you mentioned, a cry that I referred to tonight, he makes it unequivocally clear.
	Absolutely.
	So, I mean, either he's lying, making a story up for no reasonable, I can't think of a reason to do it, or there's your answer.
	The death of Judge Scalia, you know, there's one.
	You know, was he strangled?
	There's a guy out on the internet who says that he was messed with by that judge.
	There's a lot of...
	Veterans Today just did an article on that.
	Whether you believe it or not, whether you want to take on board all this information, it's out there.
	The evidence and the information, passing for evidence, if you want to call it that, there's lots.
	It's overwhelming.
	So at this time, I am looking in the chat.
	Someone wants to know about...
	Let's see.
	Led Zeppelin's music, cannibalism on TV, any of those of interest to you to answer?
	Well, ironically, I was telling your sound engineer, there's a creature here behind me.
	This is the To Serve Man doll from To Serve Man, where in the famous Twilight Zone episode, aliens come down, they make a great utopia out of the Earth because they want to eat us.
	They're the utter space cannibals.
	Right.
	The reptilians, according to the UFO lore that I worked some into the movie, apparently like to eat children.
	And they like to eat humans, but they like to eat children and they like to eat, they eat like, we're like chicken to them.
	Yeah, well, along those lines, I don't know if you saw my interview with William Tompkins.
	I can't remember whether we've spoken about it.
	But basically, I interviewed him in depth.
	At the end of the interview, he literally says on the camera, I love you.
	And then I invited him to come back on the show to talk about this very subject, which he brought up during the interview, and seems to know quite a bit about, which has to do with reptilians.
	And, you know, the Nazi influence in our space program, etc., etc.
	And he basically freaked out and I got a call saying, don't ever call him, don't ever speak to him.
	And this was right before he was supposed to come on the show that day.
	So then I called him and he hung up on me.
	So someone got to him.
	And so the prior interview was fine.
	He will talk about reptilians in Antarctica, which he does at length.
	He is associated with the Navy.
	He worked in aerospace for his whole life and has a verifiable background, which is extensive in case you haven't seen the interview.
	And so what he drew the line at, not because it's not true, he told me, but because he's basically afraid to talk about it.
	So was a question of the viewer connected to UFOs and aliens or just human cannibalism?
	Well, he knows the reptilians.
	The reptilians are considered to be aliens, and the reptilians are heavily involved in running our government.
	Okay, so you mean like the cross-bred, they look human, they could be running our government.
	Greys and reptilians, and other races as well.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	People made references to this during the election, you know, that this artist that the Podesta brothers seemed to like a lot.
	And she was basically making these effigies to cannibalism.
	You're aware of that during the election.
	Yes.
	So that seems to be the first time that the idea of cannibalism, the pedophilia ring and government all seem to come together and do this Pizzagate thing.
	And so it's out there in the public now.
	And I wonder how they're all reacting.
	I haven't really followed it since the election.
	And it's been kind of a very depressing.
	I don't know about you, but for me, very depressing period of our culture to see the last, you know, a few months after the election, the last hundred days, if you will, not just because he got elected.
	I mean, it's fine that someone gets elected, maybe not your cup of tea.
	But all the issues that have gone on now, including the Russians helping, so it's a wacky time.
	But it's out there now, this whole idea that whether it's the gentleman we're talking about who cried and these banker guys out there who was talking about, or apparently more than me, so you seem to know what it was.
	Absolutely.
	Listen, Robert Kiviet, I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
	It's great to talk to you.
	I enjoy it.
	I think my audience has definitely enjoyed the show, and let's have you back in the future, and let's see what happens with everything you're involved in.
	Let's see what happens with your shows that you're trying to get made, your movies, etc., And your channel.
	One thing I want to make sure people realize, my channel is called Mystified And it's mystified with a five in it.
	But I think it'll just be mystified, the word mystified.
	But right now we're launching it with five, like five of the best reasons this is the best UFO case or five of the best NASA videos.
	But basically it'll end up being the channel called Mystified.
	And you'll be able to find it on YouTube probably in about two weeks.
	And we'll link with yours and we'll try to chin up to the bar because you basically are the legend now.
	So we'll try to embarrass ourselves.
	Well, thank you for that.
	Anyway, listen, take care and thanks everyone for watching.
	And we'll be releasing the John Lear interview very soon.
	Oh, John Lear.
	He's still out there.
	Can I say one last thing tonight about John Lear?
	Yeah, please.
	No matter what anybody wants to say about John Lear, that we stood up by crew and we had John take us instead to the air 51 years ago.
	He was talking about these If not reptilians, the idea about them assisting on human body parts, people sell body parts in vats.
	Some of us in the TV industry laughed at this stuff years ago.
	Not so laughable anymore.
	No, not so laughable anymore at all.
	All right.
	Thank you so much.
	My pleasure.
	Great job.
	Thank you.
	Have a good night.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	Thank you.
	So that's it, everyone.
	Thank you very much for watching and for being here tonight.
	I hope you enjoyed the show.
	Robert Kvyat is somebody to be.
	Admired for his diligence and for working so hard to get the truth out in Hollywood.
	We don't actually have to come up and bump up against Hollywood all that often.
	We kind of do our own thing here on YouTube, whatever.
	I am pitching a show currently, and we do have some interest.
	We're hoping that it might go forward, but we have no idea.
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	If you haven't seen my new show with my video interview with, you know, recall of Mark Richards' interview that I did this month, I highly recommend it.
	You will get some of my own take that I shared with Mark and his take.
	on the sort of overall big picture as well towards the end so you may find that valuable and some very groundbreaking information there that we even got an on-camera reaction from John Lear 2 which had to do with the troggs and What's called Angkor Wat and the history there with some spider beings as well as Vietnam.
	So highly recommend that you watch that.
	I have, you know, other interviews that are coming up and we are working very hard to get our John Lear.
	It's so many hours long that it is a lot of work.
	Hope you're going to enjoy that.
	So thanks for watching and take care and have a great night.

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