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Dec. 1, 2016 - Project Camelot

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RISING CONSCIOUSNESS IN YOUTH - WITH WISAM, BEN & TREVOR

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	Hi everyone, this is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and tonight we're going to have a very interesting and fun show.
	I've got three young men and they have contacted me and said that they wanted to talk about rising consciousness In the youth.
	And let's see.
	And I'm going to read just a brief kind of like outline of what they kind of said to me.
	So they're called Rising.
	Actually, you've got to mute yourselves, guys, when you're not talking because we're getting feedback over here.
	So, like, I don't know if you can hear me.
	Can you hear me, Ben?
	And...
	I can hear you, yeah.
	Okay, great.
	Okay, so at any rate, Rising Consciousness Collective is a newly formed coalition of artistic youngsters committed to the ascension of our collective consciousness.
	Through asking accessible questions to assist in individual empowerment, we are dedicated to unearthing hidden esoteric truths, spreading suppressed knowledge, and elevating awareness through the rising of the light.
	And we have Ben Horowitz, and he is a Philadelphia native who is an actor involved in theater and film.
	And let me see if I can get him on the screen while I'm talking about him.
	That would be kind of cool.
	So Ben is the guy on the left with the earphones on.
	And it says he is an actor involved in theater and film.
	He has a burning passion for politics and is an advocate for an overhaul of the corrupt election system that allows for rampant electronic voting machine fraud and voter suppression.
	He currently resides in Los Angeles.
	And we also have Wissom, Mubasher.
	Wisem, am I saying your last name right?
	It's Wisem Mubasher.
	Okay, Wisem Mubasher.
	Quite an unusual name.
	Is spirited about human consciousness, infinitely committed to the truth.
	He lives to create and spread love.
	He dabbles in art, acting, writing, and filmmaking, and anything esoteric.
	He currently resides in New York City.
	And we had...
	Trevor Barnes.
	And he's been in and out of this situation because I don't know if he has some problems with his connection, whatever.
	I think I'm going to try to get him right this minute, but let me say what it says about him.
	Trevor Barnes is a maverick, never one to play by the rules.
	He seeks the truth, loves to play poker, carry a gun, and enjoys the company of a woman.
	So it sounds like an interesting guy.
	And he's a little shy about having his picture online.
	So he's the one who has no picture.
	All right.
	So, you know, it's really great to have you guys on the show here.
	And and hopefully we're getting a broadcast, you know, because actually, yeah, we are.
	Okay, I'm going to do a refresh over here because I'm not seeing this.
	Okay, yeah, and we've got a very active chat already, so that's kind of cool.
	Anyway, I guess we lost Trevor right there.
	I'm really sorry that it's not working for him to get online.
	At any rate, let's get it started.
	So, why don't we start with you, Wiesem.
	Is that right?
	Wiesem?
	Wiesem.
	Wiesem.
	Okay, Wiesem.
	Okay, Wiesem.
	And, you know, let me just say right off the bat, you'd look nothing like your picture.
	Anyway, but, you know, that's cool.
	I mean, you know, I would never put the two of you together because maybe, I don't know, that was a younger picture or something like that.
	Anyway, that was some time ago.
	I just couldn't find one that I was okay with putting out.
	Yeah, you look a little more mature.
	You also look skinnier around the cheeks.
	Yeah, I look a little bit of weight.
	All right, cool.
	So you're both great-looking guys, and I'm going to assume that the missing element here is also good-looking.
	So that's fun.
	That's why Tara's always got the company of a woman.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So he must be the man of mystery.
	But at any rate, let's talk about where you guys are at.
	And first of all, why did you contact me, and what were you thinking of?
	So Lisa, go first.
	So basically, we reached out to you because after we started, there was a bit of a fervor within the young community, you could call it, and a lot of people that are online and in the social media community with what was going on with the WikiLeaks.
	And so once we Once we really got informed of what was going on with the WikiLeaks and started looking a little further into what was happening and who was coming up in the WikiLeaks, Ben actually got the ball rolling and started reaching out to a few people to get more information.
	Once we found out that they were legitimate and they were real and there was...
	A complete neglect on the media part and the mainstream part to not cover it.
	We were like, something's kind of funny.
	So we started doing more research and started watching more and more videos and Project Camelot came up.
	And then once we started watching the project, once we started watching your videos, we were like, holy fuck.
	So, like, if the stuff from...
	We kind of...
	We had a discussion, internal discussion between us, and we said, if this is...
	If we're going to accept that the shit in the WikiLeaks email are real, then we have to have an open mind and consciously accept that a lot of the stuff that everyone else is saying is possibly true.
	So, then we were like, holy fuck, like, what's going on?
	We need to spread this.
	So...
	That's kind of how we started.
	Okay, cool.
	Actually, I can call Trevor on his phone.
	If you want to type into the Skype chat his phone number, I can add him that way by just calling his cell phone.
	Okay, yeah.
	That he should be able to handle.
	Meanwhile, Ben, why don't you go ahead...
	And say why you wanted to contact me and kind of where your head is at.
	Yeah, so as we Sam said, I started to become really interested in things that weren't being covered in the mainstream media when I started to find some things in the WikiLeaks emails that was relating to Space programs and ET and just
	different things that I thought, wow, this is out there.
	Why aren't people talking about it?
	Why isn't this being covered?
	There was little stuff, little articles about it, but nothing really, no real coverage.
	And the more I looked into it, the more I just thought, Wow, there's so much stuff that I clearly didn't know before and there's a lot of stuff that I didn't know.
	So I started looking into people who were implicated in the WikiLeaks emails talking about E.T. and Edgar Mitchell supposedly,
	allegedly, wrote emails in the WikiLeaks emails through another woman named Terry Mansfield talking about his work with Zero Point Energy and E.T. I from the Contiguous Universe.
	And I thought, what is this?
	What is this?
	So the more I just started looking into it, the more I started to Talked to WeSim and we were talking more and he showed me some of your videos and some of Project Camelot and now I'm just, my mind's a little blown because I wouldn't have thought about any of this being real or true if I didn't see it myself.
	But now that I've been looking at it and researching it more, I honestly can't get it out of my head.
	So that's sort of why I'm here right now.
	Okay.
	Yeah, someone in the chat's asking me to make sure I don't scare you guys too much.
	No, no, on the contrary, please.
	I already said that I won't scare these guys.
	So, like, do you want to give me his phone number so I can...
	Yeah, I sent it to you, Carrie.
	Did you not get it?
	Oh, you know...
	Maybe it's not.
	Oh, I see.
	Yeah, here it is.
	Okay, great.
	So I'm going to try to add him.
	Bear with us, audience, because, you know, it's good to have everybody that wanted to be on this with us.
	And so, hmm, now I'm going to have to figure out how to do this.
	Plus add phone numbers.
	Okay, we'll try this.
	Hopefully it'll work.
	yeah we we've watched quite a few different videos and we really want to get your opinion on a lot of stuff A couple of things.
	I feel like there's so much disinformation out there and I never know because everyone's got a different point of view.
	Everyone has different things to say and then some things contradict each other.
	So it gets really confusing because you start to think, what is real?
	What isn't real?
	Who's telling the truth?
	Many things that they're telling the truth.
	There's some people that I feel, me personally, that are definitely working for the people that run the shadow governments and run the world the way that it's going right now.
	And they're just kind of here to fuck shit up.
	So we want to get your opinion on it.
	Some of those people.
	Because we've gotten in contact with, Ben has gotten in contact with someone that we definitely, someone that I have not, I don't necessarily think is trustworthy.
	Okay, so you've gotten in touch with somebody who's in touch with you, and I'm hoping this call is going to go through.
	So just bear with us.
	At any rate, so who is talking to you, trying to tell you some stuff, and you don't know if what they're saying is true or what?
	Well, I got in contact with Carol Rosen.
	I don't know if you know of her.
	Yes.
	And she...
	Hi, Trevor.
	Hi, Trevor.
	I guess there's Trevor, and I'll get back to you.
	Oh, great.
	Okay, Trevor, we're trying to reach you for the show.
	You can just...
	Well, we need you to answer your cell phone, so hopefully you'll get this message.
	Why don't you text him and tell him, like, I'm going to call him, and that would help?
	Yeah.
	I had just sent...
	Right before you called, I was like, he's about to call you.
	Let me try again.
	Okay.
	So back to the subject.
	Yeah, so, I mean, there's so many different points of view out there and it's not, I wouldn't necessarily say one is Definitely correct over another.
	One thing that I've found, at least for me, is to keep an open mind.
	And the people that tend to close their minds down and decide they know everything are the ones that probably are the most closed-minded.
	And being closed-minded at this time In our development and in the ascension of Earth is like the worst thing you can do.
	So deciding that you, you know, unequivocally know what is going on, you know, and also when you start getting, I don't know if you guys have contact, we can get into all that subject, but, you know, once you get contacted by various,
	even ETs or entities like from other dimensions or whatever, You need to also keep an open mind and not necessarily take anything some disembodied entity tells you and just go do it or whatever, especially if they give you orders.
	And there are some guidelines for understanding where your mind may be going and starting to have discernment about that kind of interaction.
	So discernment is everything.
	All of us are developing that and it's like a muscle.
	You got to use it.
	And it doesn't mean you're going to be right all the time.
	You could be, you know, wrong sometimes.
	And actually being wrong is not a bad thing as long as you, you know, don't lose your life over it.
	Because it means that you're going to learn very well if you end up making a mistake.
	There should be room for mistakes in this sector.
	And in a certain sense, we are the leaders.
	We're the, what you might say, the avant-garde of the planet.
	And so if you're already this aware that you would contact me and be out there looking at things and comparing things and thinking about things, then you're part of the avant-garde.
	And getting, you know, learning...
	As George Green, one of my interviewees, says, gain all knowledge.
	That's like the first role.
	And so I think that's great.
	I also think meditation is really mandatory.
	Oh, yeah.
	And so on.
	So, you know, maybe you could talk a little bit, one at a time, about...
	What kind of experiences you might have had?
	Have you seen UFOs?
	We could start there, the most remedial level.
	And it doesn't matter what kind of UFOs you've seen, you know?
	It's all good.
	Whatever you think is at least unidentified to you, right?
	Yeah.
	So, Wisem, what would you say?
	I've never, as far as I know, at least, in terms of, like, physical...
	Physical contact?
	No, I've never had contact with UFOs.
	I'm normally just a spiritual person, and I've had a couple conversations with people within the avant-garde world, and one in particular, she's a psychic, and she had asked me if I was in contact with higher beings, and the way that she was asking me was like, I'm in contact and I'm not telling her about it.
	And I was like, no.
	Not that I know of.
	But I'm just normally just a spiritual person and I'm always, whether looking at the stars or just looking within myself and meditating and turning inward and just staying away from the crap and the bullshit.
	To vibrate higher and to just, you know, pick up on who, you know, on who's talking or, you know, on what's being said.
	I've always, you know, come across ghosts and, like, spirits and stuff like that, like, all through my life.
	And I've always been the person that's like, oh, my God, I had a ghost experience.
	And people are like, what the fuck?
	Ghosts aren't real.
	Stuff like that.
	So...
	Just, you know, the spirit world, if you call it, the avant-garde world, I've always reluctantly been a part of it.
	Now I'm just finally embracing it and, you know, going into it full-fledged.
	Okay, cool.
	Well, that's great.
	Did you have any influences in your life who have kind of helped you along the way, who are also awakened, what I would call awakened, whatever that means to you?
	In the avant-garde world or just in general?
	Just in general, in your life?
	Yeah, I mean, when I was 14, I had a very precarious situation, a very precarious encounter with this random guy.
	We were actually in high school and my friend went up to him and was like, hey, could you buy us beer?
	The guy was like, okay, sure.
	And so after he had bought us beer, we went and dropped him off.
	And then he was like, you guys want to come hang out?
	So we go and hang out.
	And he started telling us all of this stuff when I was like 14.
	And that interaction, I remember, definitely changed the way that I looked at life and changed the way that I... Started seeking out knowledge and the knowledge that I was seeking out because he was telling me about the new he was talking about the New World Order and he was talking about the the wars in the Gulf and how they were all started to basically get That part
	of the world under control and this was like 2000 this was before I can't remember when the Iraq war started and Yeah.
	This is like right around when the Iraq war was starting or it was gaining traction to start.
	Right.
	And I was like, oh, ha, ha, ha.
	Yeah.
	So I took a lot of stuff that he said with a grain of salt, but then just now as more time has gone along and I've had more and more interactions like that with people, I'm like, okay, you know, maybe...
	Like, there's a reason why these people come and have these conversations with me because a lot of times when I have these conversations or these moments or etc., it normally puts me on a path toward specific knowledge and towards doing specific things.
	Right.
	Well, cool.
	I mean, that's great, actually.
	Nice to have come across somebody.
	I mean, you kind of...
	Do you agree that, in a certain sense, if someone approaches you in your life, that you've actually asked for that person to approach you?
	It's a two-way street.
	You know, I kind of feel like that.
	It's never a one-way street.
	We're not victims, in other words.
	We asked to be...
	Given some opportunity and then it came along kind of thing.
	Yeah, 100%.
	So, okay, cool.
	What about you, Ben?
	What would you say about an encounter of any kind or UFO and then also any influential people that might have contributed to your awakening?
	I've never seen anything really up close.
	I have seen actually recently in the past month...
	I saw a little light in the air that I'm not sure if it was related to something else.
	It could have been terrestrial or it could have been extraterrestrial.
	I don't really know what it was.
	But it was a light that just went up in the air and it started and then it was just gone within like two seconds.
	And it was while I was thinking about I was thinking about UFOs.
	I was like, wow, it's just going over in my head.
	I was like, this is crazy.
	I had such a block for most of my life where I really...
	I didn't want to believe certain stuff, I think.
	And the more I've let myself believe certain stuff, not believe, but the more I've let myself just think, well, it could, it could.
	And it could usually lead me down paths where I think, okay, well, and then that was a very specific incident where I was thinking about UFOs.
	And then I saw something and I was like, could that have been a UFO?
	And then I didn't really think about it too much afterwards.
	But I was like, it probably was.
	It probably was something.
	But I didn't really give it too much thought.
	I wasn't like, wow, that was a UFO. I was just kind of like, oh, that was something.
	I don't know what it was, but it was something.
	But my interest in I think a lot of this stuff stems back to probably third grade when 9-11 happened.
	At first I felt like, wow, why would this happen?
	I had no perspective on it.
	But then the more I started to research in fifth or sixth grade, I would go on the internet, I would look at 9-11 truther videos, whatever.
	I just started to think, we're living in a fake world right now.
	Everything they're telling us, none of the 9-11 stuff made sense to me.
	It really messed me up and it made me think about our government.
	I was like, okay, well, if they're hiding something with 9-11, then They could be hiding anything, you know?
	If they could do something like that, then they can do anything.
	And if they can make us believe the official story of 9-11, then honestly, then I thought, okay, well then, you know, everything's off the table and I can't really take anything for granted.
	I can't take anything as just what they say it is.
	That's great.
	Yeah, that's great.
	So what, in terms of influential people, anything that comes to mind?
	Honestly, no one in person.
	I've always turned to the internet, for better or for worse, for a lot of my influences.
	I mean, even like any Awaken, like musicians that had songs that inspired you or other artists or filmmakers, films you saw, like how about The Matrix, you know?
	Oh, yeah, I love The Matrix.
	That's probably my favorite movie, honestly.
	When I was a kid, that was my favorite movie.
	Cool.
	So, yeah, that's kind of crazy that you just said that.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, The Matrix, I used to have that movie memorized, honestly, all those movies.
	And it made me, yeah, it really made me think, okay, well, I mean, I do feel like now, because a couple of, I feel like the stuff that, you know, that I've been learning about in the past couple months, in the past, you know, six months, it's stuff that I would have completely discounted two years ago, three years ago.
	I wouldn't even have looked further into it.
	Because I would have just had a block and I would have said, that's crazy.
	It would have been on the news.
	And now I'm like, okay, well, I can't trust the news, so better do my own research.
	Yeah, I mean, so, like, that's also really interesting, is what are the things that you would have discounted?
	Because I know when, actually, when, before I was in Camelot, you know, which now I've been doing for, just so you know, 10 years.
	I, uh, even before that, I was just going into meditation one day, and that was around the time in my life when I, you know, the movie V, uh, had been out, the TV show V, uh, and the remake, and, um, I said, uh, Actually, before the remake, it was the original one that was the only one that had been out.
	And I said to myself, well, you know, that's just not true.
	There's no such thing as reptilians.
	That's just, you know, I believe there were ETs and everything, but I just didn't, I couldn't buy into that reptilian thing.
	And then I went into meditation, and all of a sudden, right in, coming in an internet, I was about to go, I was wide awake, was, you know, sitting cross-legged in my apartment, and all of a sudden I saw, interdimensionally,
	this winged, what's called a shakar, the winged reptilians, Supposedly the royalty flew right by me and it was conscious of me and I caught it you know like one of those flash flashes and I saw him crystal clear and knew it was conscious knew it was alive and it just went by me and that was it and then I snapped out of what I was going to be going into my meditation I snapped open
	you know my eyes and I came to the whole situation and from that moment on, there was no doubt in my mind, reptilians were real.
	I mean, it was an encounter I couldn't ignore.
	Yeah, that was one of the things for me.
	So what I would, you know, would like to know for you guys is, you know, what are the things that you would have completely discounted and said no way, and then you found out they might be true a couple years later, however many years later.
	So I want to start with Wissam again.
	And meanwhile, I'm also going to try to dial that phone number again to, you know, if I can.
	I'm not sure it'll work, but I'll try. - Basically, I would say like damn near everything.
	Because, like, we are, they do such a good job of, you know, what, mentally, what you think is logical and according to the laws of physics or the knowledge that's out there and the stuff that's, the knowledge that's available to us.
	And how they're so slowly ushering things along that I would have said, you know, there's no human leeway possible.
	Hi, is this Trevor?
	Hi.
	Hi, I'm calling you on your phone, so now you're on the show.
	Is that okay with you?
	That was great.
	Okay, cool.
	So are you able to tell me, you guys say something to Trevor, say hello to him, so we can make sure he can hear you.
	I can hear you.
	All right, excellent.
	So we'll come to you in a minute, Trevor.
	Right now, Wiesem is just talking about some of the things that he might have discounted along the way, just as not being true, and that his whole head might have turned around about those things.
	So do you want to kind of start again?
	We Sam, so he can hear your answer.
	So basically everything, because like basically to what we've been, what we've been allowed to know in terms of physics and science and technology, I wouldn't have believed anything because my rational mind, I mean, my dad's a scientist and he like, he'd be like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	So there's definitely a lot of the stuff like the time travel, the reverse aging technology, the portal technology, the cloning, a lot of stuff.
	There's just so much...
	I would say that everything, I would have looked at everything like, no, there's no way.
	But now...
	Ben and I were having this conversation and Ben was asking me about something he was asking me about a theory like Michelle Obama's a man and I was like honestly I was like at this point anything that comes out I'm counting it I'm counting it as completely possible until otherwise because like there's just so much there's so much shit that we would have just never believed at one point so it's kind of like I
	still don't know if I believe that one.
	There's so much shit that you're just kind of like, you have to, like you said, you've got to keep an open mind.
	You have to constantly just look at it and you've got to go with your gut.
	You've got to go with what instinctually, intuitively feels right to you because your body knows, your intuition knows.
	It's just that there's so much crap That we've been inundated with that it's so hard for us to discern.
	Take something that I don't know if I believe right now, but I've been researching a lot in the past two days.
	I'm not discounting it or saying I believe it, but I would like to get your opinion on what is going on in Antarctica, because it seems like something's going on in Antarctica.
	Um, and then I, and then I got into, I saw, I mean, there's theories, there's hours and hours of theories on flat earth, which is something crazy that, you know, even a week ago, I wouldn't have believed, you know?
	And I'm like, looking at it now, I'm like, oh my God, is that true?
	That can't be true, you know?
	But I mean, there's a, there's a lot of weird stuff going on in Antarctica.
	Um, I don't, I don't, The flat earth stuff is kind of, I need a lot of proof for that.
	But, you know, I mean, I just don't know right now.
	I just don't know.
	I do know something weird is going on in our archive.
	I mean, that's great.
	You know, I'll answer that question and remind me so I don't forget.
	Let's go to Trevor.
	Trevor, anything, just in terms you could, since you weren't here, just kind of introduce yourself and say why you wanted to come on the show and where your head is at, maybe spiritually or whatever.
	And then also say what things you might not have believed in the past, but now you might actually take on board as considering.
	I spent a large portion of my life as a poker player and I pretty much focused all my energy on that and online poker pretty much went down for all the poker players and I developed the ability to tell when people are lying in a lot of situations and I really just I got a chance to look at 9-11 and I've seen people lying And it pretty much...
	I just kept going and catching people lying all the way to world government.
	And then that kind of led me to Alex Jones, to David Icke, people like that.
	And I'm aware that there's disinformation out there.
	And I'm just really trying to discern between the real and the fake.
	But I have a sneaking suspicion that humankind is being used as cattle and all kinds of stuff just for something that's not human.
	Just because the human sex trafficking and the kids missing and the satanic rituals and all this stuff.
	A lot of this doesn't seem human to me.
	It's really hard to put myself in these places, but I do realize that A lot of this goes on even around the places where I live in Los Angeles, near Hollywood.
	I just see it everywhere, so I'm really trying to get to the bottom of something because I feel like I really want to accomplish something in my life and that is not what I can acquire, it's what I can change.
	If I can do one thing, even if it's just one little thing that makes an issue, That's what I'm trying to go for.
	I'm just trying to get to the bottom of anything.
	I'm a listener, so I'm willing to listen.
	All right.
	Well, that sounds like you're in a great place and you're already actually a lot farther along than a lot of people from what you're saying.
	And being able to determine when somebody's lying, well, that's like having an ace in the hole for a card player.
	I understand that.
	I don't even play cards that much, so I don't really understand that terminology other than just to say that, you know, You know, it really would, that's like a winning card, because that's the name of the game out here, is being able to tell when...
	And the other thing about that that I would say is that a lot of people, at least in this sector, the way I feel about it, and a lot of my whistleblowers, and I guess you know I interview whistleblowers, that's kind of my area of expertise, and basically they...
	Knowing whether they're lying or not, you need to be psychic about it.
	You really do.
	And my psychic ability has proven true many, many times to me.
	And that has helped me, you know.
	So when you can see something proven true that you thought, you know, that came to you in some kind of intuition or Sometimes I get flashes like movies, a little film strip that just shows me something.
	And then it may be in a dream, it may be in a conscious state, and then it'll play out in front of me.
	It could be a day, it could be weeks, or it could be even years later.
	But I saw it, you know what I'm saying?
	And I recognize it.
	And deja vus are a little like that, you know, you might have deja vus.
	And you've seen it before.
	You've been there.
	You actually saw, you know, humans have natural psychic abilities, all of us.
	And if you've got good, developed psychic, if they haven't shut you down with, you know, the chemtrails and everything else that's out there, you're in a great place.
	And, you know, you guys are all young, right?
	Are you just in your 20s?
	Is that your age group, kind of?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm 23, yeah.
	I'm 25.
	Okay.
	So that's what I'm saying is just that being able to discern the truth and I would encourage you to watch my videos and see if you can tell when people are lying.
	The thing is that a lot of them believe what they're saying.
	So you have to kind of distinguish that as well.
	It's another level in which they're not lying consciously.
	They're just telling something that they learned and they believe, but it happens to be wrong.
	And I interview people.
	We're actors, so we know the bullshit.
	We know the professional bullshit.
	Yeah, I mean, but, you know, even then, you've got to stay sort of on your game because it's like when you think you know for sure and you get it and you're so young that somebody can use certain techniques to deceive you.
	And so it's great if you feel that you already kind of concess this kind of thing out.
	And that's fabulous.
	And I agree because I have had this ability since I was young as well.
	But once in a while, you know, you can be wrong.
	Someone can kind of get under your radar for a variety of reasons, you know, emotional, maybe triggering some memory.
	Maybe they do something to your head like where they might, like a mind control or a neuro-linguistic kind of programming type thing, that kind of thing.
	So yeah, there's all kinds of things that people can do to Try to get you off track.
	And the worst, in my experience, if you're a well-meaning person, they actually use that against you.
	Because one of the things I always tell friends is, in this sector, to go down the rabbit hole...
	The first thing you have to be able to take on board is that your government is out to get you.
	If you can't believe that, if you think they're your friend and they're going to take care of you, they're going to give you everything and they're going to tell you the truth.
	If you're in that headspace, that's the first place you have to break through.
	Forget ETs.
	Forget anything else, time travel and all this stuff.
	If you can't even believe that these people could lie to you, then, you know, You know, God help you, so to speak.
	So, that's what I would say.
	So, you know, you can go ahead and just talk, like, what else did you want to say to me?
	Now, Antarctica, let me just tell you about that really quickly, just to answer that question.
	So, yes, I have whistleblowers who've talked about Antarctica, and actually, they still are.
	So I am getting information about Antarctica.
	I can tell you that we were contacted by an individual who escaped from the Nazi base underground in Antarctica called New Berlin.
	And we have documents on our website from this guy.
	And it's a huge document.
	It's like...
	It's practically a book.
	But the guy was kind of like crazy.
	And so you have to read it with that in mind that he kind of, he was being mind controlled and everything.
	And yet, I mean, if the story is true, he escaped.
	He got back to Germany.
	And he got this document to somebody in MUFON, apparently, who somehow, anyway, whoever he got it to was afraid to release it.
	And they, of course, they came to Camelot because Camelot My company, Camelot, Project Camelot, is we're known for just not caring about that sort of thing.
	So we just do whatever it is.
	And so we released it, of course.
	And I even talked to the guy.
	I think I did an interview with him quite a long time ago.
	I'm not sure if it was a live interview at this point.
	It's so many years ago.
	But I have other whistleblowers as well.
	So Antarctica, yes, there are bases in Antarctica.
	I don't know everything about it, but I can tell you it's real.
	I can tell you that the Nazis in many ways didn't lose the war and that they came over to the United States and to Russia and to Argentina.
	And they have underground bases in Argentina as well.
	And, you know, of course, everyone knows Werner Von Braun, but you can research all of this and some very key information.
	There are some researchers who've done quite a bit of work in this area investigating Jim Mars and Joseph Farrell are people I've interviewed and have gone down the rabbit hole in this regard.
	But I can also tell you that I have secret witnesses who have given me information about this.
	And, you know, the fact that Hitler didn't die in Germany, he actually went on to continue.
	I think he went to Cuenca.
	Some people use, say, some other South American town.
	I think he was a priest in Cuenca.
	I think that might be a true story.
	And lived out his life.
	He changed his facial features and whatnot.
	But there's a new whistleblur called William Tompkins that I've been talking a lot about.
	It's on my website if you're interested.
	There is an interview with him.
	There's actually lots of interviews, but you have to go to GuyMTV and pay money to see those ones.
	And I'm trying to get an interview that will be free.
	I'm with him, and I'm going to bring an aerospace historian with me, Michael Schrat, who I've interviewed a number of times, who documents aerospace history.
	But this is an old man.
	He's 93, and yet he's really sharp, and he remembers everything, actually.
	And he was in contact with what he calls the Nordics.
	And it does appear to be correct.
	It does jive with other whistleblowers I have, like Mark Richards.
	And the way I weigh this information that I get, not only is intuitively knowing if somebody is lying to me, if they believe what they say, it's going to appear to me they're not lying.
	But at the same time, if I can triangulate their testimony, meaning I get at least two other witnesses, Coming from completely unrelated directions who will corroborate without knowing this person.
	They don't know each other.
	Corroborate the information.
	And that's what I have.
	And that's what we consider to be a red flag.
	When three or more witnesses corroborate the same information over time and they don't know each other, that's major.
	And so I've been doing this now for over 10 years.
	And so I have quite a backlog of stuff that I can tell you that I have so many sources saying that this thing is real that I can take it as pretty close to fact.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I do keep an open mind.
	I just had Douglas Dietrich on my show talking about Roswell last night, saying that the aliens they crashed in a craft were Japanese.
	He shaved off all their hair.
	It's a wild sort of theory, but he says they were prisoners of war and they were very small in stature.
	Look, it's possible.
	There's reasons why I don't believe certain things that he said.
	But if you're interested in finding out what's true and what's not, this guy is a researcher extraordinaire.
	His brain is almost like a computer.
	He even feels that he was augmented, and he probably was.
	So talking to him is quite extraordinary.
	I encourage you to listen to that interview.
	Every person you listen to adds to the library of knowledge that you have and to hear different points of view is great because we all have gifts to bring to the sector, to bring to each other.
	And that's why you guys are on my show because it doesn't matter to me that you're completely unknown, you know, in terms of, you know, having written books or any of that kind of stuff.
	You're still just as valid because you're human beings and you contain within you the human library of information about what it means to be human.
	So it's really important that we listen to each other.
	In my opinion.
	So that's why you're here.
	So along those lines, what else do you guys want to talk about?
	We definitely want to...
	We want to basically ask you to give a...
	Because we still have a lot of people our age that are like...
	That buy into everything and buy into the zeitgeist and buy into the whole...
	The whole system of the matrix, if you call it.
	In your eyes, if you were going to give an idiot's guide to what is going on, I know that's such a very broad question, but putting it as condensed as possible, what would you say is going on, in your opinion, in the world today?
	Well, you know, that's kind of a big order.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's like, you know, as short as you can.
	Yeah, I mean...
	That's a huge question.
	Yeah.
	OK, well, first of all, you know, your government is out to get you.
	Doesn't mean everyone who works in government is out to get you.
	All right.
	But by and large, governments are it's a power.
	You know, it's a triangle.
	Of course, you know, the triangle at the top of the dollar and the whole routine.
	So it's a power relationship.
	And I do believe, you know, that.
	There are reptilian races, a couple in particular that are negatively based and they do want to take over the planet.
	The greys work for the reptilians.
	The greys are kind of reptilian in nature.
	Some of them are what you call programmable life forms.
	In essence, they're like computers walking around in these little grey suits or whatever.
	From what I understand, some were built.
	Barry King, one of my witnesses, talks about the fact that they were built by the By the military, our military.
	So humans built them, some.
	Not all of them.
	Some are races from other planets.
	Some of the best history that I've ever read of all the different races and how they get combined and how we, this human vehicle, was created and all the, you know, the ETs that inhabit all of us, etc., and that we're related to.
	I believe that we are related to at least 12 or more, the DNA of 12 or more ET species.
	And that we are a library that this thing we call hue man.
	Okay, it's hue, meaning of many colors.
	Man.
	Okay, so that's what we are a being of many colors.
	They also call us the rainbow warriors.
	So, in essence, what this is a composite, this vehicle you call a human, is a composite of 12 or more ET races, the DNA, and then the spirit that inhabits it is here to have an experience of And to learn.
	And I believe that Ashiana Dean, she goes by the name Anna Hayes.
	Her books are on my website on the front page.
	But they're called the Voyager series.
	And there's two or three of them.
	But the second one was re-released with more, like, expanded.
	So those books are the best history, better than the Bible, in my opinion, that take into account...
	That take into account all the wars between the various species, that the reason we have wars is not because humans are warlike, in my opinion.
	It is because we are descended from races of beings that are warlike, or some of whom have been involved in wars that go on eons.
	For example, the Nordic races and the reptilians are often at war.
	And they're at war in the galaxies and interdimensionally You know, the many, the many universes out there.
	So that's where humans are also the latest information from my whistleblowers and from William Tompkins that all jives, is saying that we are actually being, they help us to awaken because they want us to join their army, in essence, the Nordics.
	To help fight their enemy, which is the reptilians.
	Because the reptilians conquer worlds.
	That's what they do.
	They go out and conquer worlds.
	And then they enslave.
	They use the beings for food, for slaves, for sex slaves, and for, you know, in the case of humans, to create, you know, genetic engineering in babies and so on and so forth.
	And to create a being that would inhabit this planet.
	Now, there is a gray human hybrid program that's gone on.
	I've heard about that, yeah.
	That people around you and children being born right now, some of whom may be more gray than human.
	Or at least half and half in some cases.
	They may have gifts or appear to have gifts that involve high intelligence, some psychic ability, maybe extra psychic, maybe they can move things or whatever.
	But it doesn't mean...
	Would you classify these just for clarification purposes?
	Would these fall in line with the indigo children?
	In the Crystal Children?
	Yes, those are names.
	I mean, there's so many different names people have given the children that are coming in.
	You know, I consider myself what you call, I mean, for lack of a better designation, an early indigo.
	There are all kinds of gifted children.
	And I think classification is a little dangerous.
	So I kind of try to stay away from it.
	Because the fact of the matter is, is it still spirit inhabiting the material world.
	And spirit doesn't age.
	Spirit is, you know, soul.
	If you have a soul, you're eternal.
	You're an eternal being.
	You know, so it doesn't matter how you're manifesting at this time.
	And one of the things that is also out there that...
	You become aware of that you may already know is that you're multidimensional.
	You may have many selves.
	You may think of it in terms of a linear, a line like you might have tapped into your own prior lives, for example.
	But the reality is that all time is simultaneous.
	As the Native Americans know, it's like a circle, right?
	And so it means that all those lives are being lived right now.
	That you are this huge being.
	It's like you're a faceted diamond.
	And every facet is a different part of you, right?
	So you might be a woman in another life.
	You might be in the Victorian era.
	You might be in Egypt.
	You might have been in India.
	We see it in a long line in a linear fashion.
	We tend to look at time on Earth like that.
	But once you kind of get your head into this idea that all time is simultaneous, it can help to start realizing that you can actually...
	Access those other timelines through meditation.
	You can bilocate to those timelines.
	You may have already had prophetic dreams in which you've seen your future, or you may have dreams in which you've seen yourself in the past prior to this life, right?
	So let me ask you, let me turn it around now, and that kind of is a really quick summary of things to consider about what it means to be alive at this time, but What, you know, have you, any of you, and feel free to sort of speak up whichever one,
	has had any dreams of a prior life or tapped into, like sometimes if you travel, you can go and suddenly you feel like you've been there before when you've never been there before in this life, but you might have been there living another life.
	So, anybody?
	Yeah, I mean, if no one's going to jump in.
	Yeah, um...
	I'd say that I finally embraced this path about a year and a half ago, but prior to that, it started when I was about 17.
	And I was looking in the mirror and I said to myself, I know that there's information and there's mystery and stuff that we're not aware of that's going on.
	And I said, I want to know what's going on.
	And so a couple weeks later...
	Like clockwork at 3am.
	I woke up one night.
	I just had like this jolt rush of energy.
	And I just felt other entities in my head.
	I felt other things in my head.
	And I was just I was able to like my the way that Like, the way that my mind unlocked, per se.
	The way that I just was able to tap into energies and feel things around me.
	And it was just like...
	I mean, it's still hard for me to quantify and explain to people.
	But from that day forward, I was...
	Automatically, I was like, you know, there's just...
	There's other shit.
	There's more to us as human beings than we're being taught and what we're being told.
	So ever since then, it's like random people will come up to me on the street.
	Random homeless people or random old people will come up to me and they'll say things to me.
	And a lot of times I really thought I was mad or crazy.
	Until I would be with people and I would say, did you see that guy come up to me and talk to me?
	Like, that wasn't in my head.
	And they were like, yeah, no, I saw that.
	What was that about?
	You know, I don't know.
	Just whether it's deja vu a lot.
	I get deja vu a lot.
	Just like shit that I'll know.
	I'll say something to someone and then someone will be like, how did you know that?
	And then I'm like, I don't know.
	Just...
	I knew it.
	That's great.
	Yeah, that's good.
	And it just, you know, it just, for whatever reason, it's just, you know, it's a, after, I fought it for a long time, because I was like, I'm mad, like, I'm fucking insane.
	And I just wouldn't, I had no, I had no part of it.
	And then finally, just every night before I'd go to sleep, or all the time, I'd have these I'd have this voice come to me right when you really start tapping into your subconscious and you start going to sleep.
	And this thing would come and it would say, listen, you're falling further and further down into this abyss.
	And if you don't listen to me, it's going to get worse and you have to trust me.
	And I had just reached a point where I was like, alright, fuck it.
	I was like, I have nothing to lose, so...
	If, you know, something bad happens, something bad happens, whatever.
	But I gotta, you know, I gotta give it another shot.
	So that was when I was 17.
	And it took me seven years to finally just say, to end that cycle and just say, fuck it.
	And just, you know, and tap back in and invite that energy back into my life.
	And ever since then, it's just led me as I've, you know, Listen to it more and more and become one with it more and more and just turn it inward more and more.
	It's, you know, shit's unreal.
	You know, coming across and just knowing and understanding.
	So it's just, you know, understanding.
	It's just fucking madness, like what's going on in this world.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Opening up to follow your intuition.
	It may be guides.
	It may be your higher self.
	However, you know, it may be whatever you want to say it is, whatever.
	So how about you, Ben, or Trevor?
	I hope you're still on the phone there, Trevor.
	I'm listening, yes.
	Okay, so go ahead, Trevor.
	Why don't you respond?
	And then Ben, after that, you know...
	Just in terms of past lives, and any thoughts along those lines?
	I have no experience with dreaming about past lives and stuff, because I can never remember my dreams.
	But I did mean to ask you, because this does kind of relate to dreams, about the pineal gland, because I'm so interested in it, and I've been working on trying to keep mine open, but I don't...
	I've been watching videos on YouTube and people are talking about when they get their pineal gland open like it's almost unanimous that everybody's saying they see spirits and stuff like that and I don't know I find it fascinating and I feel like there's something to this because they're putting fluoride in the water and trying to close everybody and also when I feel like My pineal gland is open, I feel much smarter.
	A big part of my brain is open in the back.
	I just wondered how important it is to you as a psychic to keep your pineal gland open because I see the third eye symbol on pretty much everything.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't see the third eye and the pineal as being exactly the same thing, but they're related.
	I think it's very important to get your pineal gland uncalcified, but you guys are pretty young.
	The one thing I would do is, you know, what you have access to right now and what I did when I was in my 20s was to connect all my chakras through meditation and That means going up through the crown chakra.
	I actually have a presentation about that and stuff.
	But anyway, that does open your pineal gland.
	It's highly likely that your pineal gland is open because you're so young.
	You can use your kundalini energy, which is this orgone.
	Some people think of it as orgone.
	It's light energy that goes up the back of the spine.
	Yogis have talked about this, you know, forever.
	And if you meditate, you can actually meditate and train it and have a complete awakening in that way.
	And doing so will keep it open for the rest of your life, of course, which it also keeps you young and it keeps you healthy and can heal you.
	Under all kinds of situations where drugs and medical help won't help you.
	So I highly recommend it.
	Now if you were to have a calcification of your pineal gland, You can use what's called fish, they call it fish oil, skate liver or skate fish oil.
	One of our witnesses, Pete Peterson, talks about it.
	David Wilcock, if you know who he is, used to sell it.
	I don't know if he's still selling it on his website or not, but if he is, you can buy a bottle of it.
	He figured out the fish that he was talking about.
	Pete?
	Because didn't Pete not want to say it?
	Yeah, Pete.
	But it's skate.
	They're called the skate.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	But any kind of fish oil.
	I mean, to be honest, a fish oil probably is quite good for it.
	So, but like, I would say that to an old, you know, a person who's like in their 40s or something.
	You guys are so young that I don't think it's a problem.
	But I do think you should worry about, you know, purifying your water and make sure you don't Drink it out of the tap because the fluoride is, you know, that's really bad for you.
	Fluoride also makes you obedient.
	I don't know if you know about that.
	So it tends to break down the will.
	Sorry.
	I feel that sometimes because sometimes I'll use toothpaste that has fluoride in it because it's cheaper and And I'll be going about my day, and I'll think, wow, I really did everything I had to do today, but I didn't really...
	And I'll think about it, and I've been thinking about that in the past month, and I've been using fluoride toothpaste, actually, which is probably not good.
	No.
	It's not.
	You know what?
	If you can't...
	It's almost like I want to test myself, mind over matter.
	Like, yeah, I know fluoride's bad for me, but what if I use it and...
	I'd beat it, but probably shouldn't be using it.
	Well, there's enough bad things like that's happening right now to the environment that you might want to try to err on the side of caution.
	But, you know, like baking soda is just as good.
	And baking soda is dirt cheap.
	So if you can't afford regular tooth, you know, good toothpaste.
	But, you know, Whole Foods, I buy my toothpaste there.
	You can just get it without fluoride.
	It's pretty simple.
	It doesn't cost that much.
	Yeah, the Tom's toothpaste.
	Well, no, Tom actually has chemicals in it.
	You just have to kind of read the thing.
	There's Aruvada, Vedic toothpaste, various toothpaste, but baking soda is not very good tasting, but it does work, and it's very good for you, actually.
	As far as brushing your teeth.
	But yeah, so that's what I would say, Trevor, to your question about the pineal gland.
	Like I said, you're probably in a good place with it because of your youth.
	But at the same time, meditation will open up the third eye and connecting your chakras and learning about that.
	At this age is the best time you can do this.
	You are going to be so thankful.
	I'm not going to say how old I am, but I can tell you I have thanked my lucky stars a million times.
	I did nothing.
	I actually kind of, I don't know how I did it.
	I didn't have a yogi or anybody teaching me.
	I just went out and got some books on Kundalini energy.
	Somehow I knew I must have had some inner guidance and it just said, you know, you need to go into meditation, connect your chakras and basically reach enlightenment.
	And I didn't know what I was doing, but I did it.
	And it's an amazing experience.
	I saw the whole matrix disappear and all kinds of stuff.
	You can read about people's experience.
	Some people talk about doing it, but they haven't really done it.
	They think they have, but they haven't.
	It's a very, very real process.
	But you do have to be cautious.
	And I have a presentation.
	It's very cheap.
	It's like $3 on Vimeo right now.
	I have a long version, a short version where I talk more about it, so I'm not going to go into it here.
	But if you're interested in the pineal gland and you want to make sure you stay, you know, stay young your whole life and stay awake and aware and have good physical health, etc., and be able to heal others, if you're interested in healing others, Would you say, sorry, because this is going to kind of back off of that question before.
	I know you want to hear from Ben.
	Would you say anything about food?
	Yeah, I mean, I try to buy organic.
	There are some issues with organics right now because there's so many GMOs that they're growing organics next to GMOs and some of them may not be as purely organic as we'd like them to be.
	But I think, you know, again, erring on the side of caution, you try to, you know, what you have to do is that, I forget what it's called, but you hold something in your hand or you think about it in your mind And either you feel stronger because of it or you feel weaker, you know, in relation to it.
	You can feel that that's a really good test, you know, to be, you know, you can go in a store and hold one orange in your hand and another one in your other hand and then feel the vibration and feel which is better.
	You can also infuse your food with a blessing before you eat.
	Like, cleanse it in your own mind.
	Like, send energy and tell it.
	You know, because Masaru Emoto, you must...
	If you know about the work with water, you can look him up.
	Yes.
	He did.
	Well, what's true for water is true for everything, right?
	Everything physical.
	So, you know, it's like...
	I consider this a...
	You know, we're like...
	We have like a witch's relationship to all...
	All matter has awareness, has consciousness.
	So even, you know, you can treat your car a certain way and your car is going to react.
	It's a crazy universe.
	And over and over again, I've seen this happen.
	You know, I don't know if you guys are having the thing where you go buy a street light and the street light will turn off.
	Sometimes you can affect lights and things like that.
	I have that.
	I've done that, you know, and it's kind of freaky.
	I used to, my lights on my car used to just Constantly go out.
	And, you know, what I had to do was develop a relationship with my car to where I, like, said, okay, I know I have this ability to short-circuit my lights on my car.
	So, you know, let's just not do that anymore.
	Let's, you know, be cool with it.
	Just kind of talking to your car, you know.
	I mean, like, you don't have to do it out loud.
	Yeah.
	You can do it in your mind.
	It's telepathic communication with whatever's around.
	So with regard to your food, you can actually communicate with food and the molecules there and actually change them for the better.
	If you look at Masaru Emoto, you can see when you send love into something, How it changes in a more positive way.
	You can do that to the water.
	If you're in a situation where someone gives you a glass of water, you really are very thirsty, you don't have a choice, you don't know where it came from or blah blah blah, all you have to do is do that, you know, send your energy into it and you will change it.
	I even have a video where I have this guy from Sri Lanka who is a wonderful healer and we did a bunch of meditations together when I was on a tour in Egypt.
	and connected with him and actually this has been many years ago so I forget his name but it's on my website and and he held water and he put energy into it and then he would mail it to people to heal them and it worked so you know you know and he was on the path of being a yogi he was you know always like super meditating all the time very cool guy So yeah, so that's what you can do about that.
	But let's hear from Ben, because we didn't get a chance to hear from you about past lives or anything related to that.
	I'm a little like Trevor, where recently, actually, it's been harder for me to remember my dreams, which is kind of troubling, because I feel like that's not a good thing.
	I feel like...
	That means something in me is turning off, you know?
	And I know that as we get older, you know, stuff with the pineal gland, stuff with just our consciousness can sort of go down.
	And I know that our dreams are so important.
	Sometimes I'll have very...
	Maybe once a month or once every two months, I'll have really, you know, some dream that really...
	is vivid and I'll wake up from it and I'll just for like 30 minutes I'll be wanting to tell everyone about it or something and then it'll just sort of fade but it's sort of this thing where I think two years ago I sort of had an experience where I it was right when I moved out to California and I was sleeping on my friend's couch and he sort of had an experience where He
	lost control of himself.
	He lost control of his own reality.
	The doctors called him schizophrenic.
	That's what they diagnosed him as.
	I don't think he was crazy.
	I think that he was having a connection to some sort of spirit, some sort of spirit world.
	But it was sort of my first connection with the spirit world where I was seeing it through him because he was telling me, and I could tell that he believed everything that he was saying.
	And he thought a lot of stuff that, you know, I thought I was like, well, that's crazy, but I'm going to listen to him and try to Hear him and listen to him so he feels heard.
	Because I knew that he wasn't crazy.
	I don't think anyone's crazy.
	I don't think that that's a thing.
	I think people sometimes can misguide themselves or they're being misguided by other things.
	And then he went home.
	He had to go home.
	And I was living in his place still.
	And that was when I first started to get...
	I started to get...
	I started to feel like whatever was happening to him started to rub off on me because I would look in the mirror and I would look in the mirror and I would look at myself and I would feel like there was other things in the room around me and I would discount it, discount it.
	It was sort of my first time also really away from my hometown and my parents and I would I felt like there were bad energies that were trying to influence me.
	I was being very self-destructive at the time in terms of just the way I was eating and the way I was treating my body.
	I felt almost gluttonous.
	I was eating a lot of meat and it wasn't good meat.
	Like, bad sandwiches or something.
	Like, just fattening kind of stuff, you know?
	And I felt like I was going down this horrible, horrible rabbit hole, and I felt like I wasn't the version of myself that I was supposed to be, and I felt like I was divulging from...
	There was the base me, and then I could go one way or another.
	And I was going the bad way.
	And it was going on for so long, and I knew that the...
	The base in me was telling me, you got to stop.
	You got to stop whatever you're doing.
	You got to stop whatever you're doing.
	I got a new job at this one place and my boss was telling me, you got to stop eating pork.
	That's it.
	You got to stop eating pork.
	I was like, what?
	You got to stop eating pork.
	I just stopped eating pork.
	Then I started feeling better.
	It's this weird thing where It's something that I never really thought would affect me.
	I don't even know if it was that.
	Absolutely.
	That's real.
	There are negative entities out there.
	They will try to inhabit you, especially using openings.
	Like if you overdo drugs or drinking, those are the primary ones.
	But bad eating is, you know, food is a drug, you know, in a sense.
	So, you know, yeah.
	But also keep in mind that also, you know, what people call, like in the 19th century, the 1900s, They put a lot of people in mental institutions who are actually perfectly sane.
	But the trouble is that once you start questioning your own sanity, that's when the external social system can take you over and take control and have power over you.
	So if you relinquish your sense of self or your sense of empowerment, That's when you start losing it, really.
	And so it's keeping your own sovereignty.
	You know, you are your best authority.
	And never give that sovereignty over to anyone, whoever they are, whether it's a doctor or somebody who's supposed to know anything or whatever.
	You are a sovereign being and you are the authority.
	There's a lot of authorities out there that will tell you, you know, you aren't the authority about yourself.
	And that's wrong.
	Okay?
	And we're also so made up of so many different genetics, you know, that what's really good for you, for example, might be terrible for Trevor or, you know, or for WeSim.
	So...
	You have to keep that in mind.
	Whatever is your DNA and your chemical balance for you is very unique to you.
	This is also what goes on.
	You are the authority and your inner self, your inner guidance is so important in these cases.
	Trying, you know, that person kind of did you a favor in pointing out that, you know, pork might not be good because actually there's a whole history you could look up on the internet about this, you know, behind what went on in America behind pork and everything.
	And some of those practices are probably still going on.
	Of course, you know, the death of animals and so on.
	This is things that we need to do to bless our food, etc.
	But I think you have to be really careful.
	Certain foods do have sort of a negative karma or something around them, you know, that does...
	The animals are treated bad.
	The animals are treated bad.
	That's transformative energy.
	Because, I mean, you know, the energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
	And that transference of energy goes where?
	To you.
	But I have to say that there's also, I don't know if you know who Gurdjieff is, but Gurdjieff in my opinion was a very brilliant spiritual guy.
	And you can read, he has, I think he only ever wrote three books, as I recall.
	And they contain a lot of good advice.
	And one of the things he talked about was what happens when, and this is controversial, okay?
	And I know there will be some listeners that disagree strongly.
	I was a vegetarian for like 30 years or something crazy.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, I did, you know, I wasn't like one of those really extreme vegetarians.
	I didn't eat chicken, but I did eat fish and I did eat things like eggs and cheese.
	So I wasn't a vegan, what you call that, you know, type of thing.
	But anyway, what I'm saying is apparently, according to Gurdjieff, take it for what you will, you There is an issue with males who don't you know need me to keep Because see on this planet.
	It's a meat-eating planet And so if you're dealing with a lot of other males who are meat eaters and you don't eat meat There can be a problem with your will It attacks your will when you're a vegetarian and you're in the presence of meat eaters so whereas Ultimately, I think humanity will be vegetarian and maybe even will live on sun energy.
	Ultimately, at this time, because you're dealing with the here and now on this planet, it is dangerous, actually, for men to be completely vegetarian.
	Now, that doesn't mean you can't do it for a period of time in your life, but just be aware, and I do encourage you to read Gurdjieff.
	Actually, Ashana Dean agrees with what I'm saying as well.
	So you need to kind of pick and choose what works for you.
	You might want to cleanse your body.
	I went through a time when I wanted to really cleanse myself of all that, so I did.
	And I don't regret it, but I also understand that distinction.
	It's a little different for women than it is for men, just because your testosterone and all that.
	So just some words in that regard.
	That's really interesting.
	My girlfriend's a vegetarian.
	I'm not a vegetarian, so that actually...
	Yeah, there is something of a plot on the planet because it's run by reptilians to get humans to be vegetarians at this time.
	We do have a relationship with the animals that sacrifice themselves for us and you can be cognizant of that.
	You can have a relationship with them just like you would to water, etc.
	And so you can bless them and thank them.
	You have to kind of make your judgment as to what You want to do about that, but I can tell you that it's a good way for them to get people to have a lack of will power.
	In other words, it attacks your ability to withstand someone else's power and to maintain your own power and sovereignty.
	So, I think it's fairly dangerous at this time.
	A lot of so-called New Agers, for lack of better terminology, who want to just believe in, you know, beauty and light and everything.
	That's all they want to believe in.
	They want to sort of be in denial about the negative side of the yin-yang universe we live in, especially here on this planet, and then this 3D going into 4D. And so they tend to only want to see that side of it.
	That does put blinders on you and can make you unaware and actually make you fall prey to some dark forces.
	A lot of the light, light workers can be used for dark.
	They don't understand that.
	And it's a bit esoteric, you know, but you can kind of run it over in your mind and see what you think about it.
	Again, this is my view.
	There are others that agree with me, and I'm sure there's tons of people that don't.
	But I will say that the light is often used by the dark.
	And so your stupidness or your innocence or whatever it is can be used.
	You know, awareness is everything.
	It really is.
	Conscious awareness.
	And that is the sort of battle, is to remain conscious and aware and not to develop hate, you see, in the awareness.
	So, you know, you can become aware of, I don't know, child or mutilation or whatever it happens to be, but you need to sort of maintain...
	Sort of a greater understanding in what's at play here on planet Earth and why beings would put themselves in positions to have to learn a lesson that could even kill them.
	Because, again, they can come back.
	And they do come back.
	And progress slowly.
	So it's very complex, you know, and I'm not going to be able to sort of solve it for you.
	But I think you kind of know where I'm going.
	So, you know, we've been going for a while and it's been great talking with you guys.
	What I'd like to do is just get some maybe final statements from you and some thoughts that you might want to share just one by one.
	I'll start with Trevor and we'll go.
	In the opposite direction this time, and we'll end up with WESEM just for balance.
	So, Trevor, any parting remarks, thoughts you want to share?
	I thank you very much for joining us tonight.
	And even a yes or no question, I'll take you one second to answer.
	At the very top of the New World Order pyramid, What is controlling Mr.
	Rothschild?
	Is it a reptilian or is it a different race or what is so evil that can make these people do this stuff?
	It's not a yes or no question.
	First of all, Rothschild is not at the very top.
	No, he's still taking orders.
	There are other people that are higher than he is.
	But nonetheless, along those lines, I'm sure that he is, first of all, he would probably be identifying himself to some degree with the Dracos.
	And, uh, especially since, uh, you know, he's quite involved in the dark, uh, side of it.
	And apparently not all the Rothschilds have, have joined that club, but they are Satanists.
	Okay.
	So they're, they're, um, They're into all of that, you know, what that entails.
	And so what is he controlled by?
	Was he a reptile?
	A reptilian?
	I'm sorry.
	It's possible he's a reptilian.
	You know, the whole bloodlust thing that gets involved in both Satanism and Luciferianism has to do with the reptilian agenda as well.
	They're often partners, but read the Ashayana Dean Voyager books for the incredible detail that there is to all of this.
	Can you hear the title one more time for me?
	Her books are called the Voyager series.
	I interviewed her so you can watch the interview for free first on my YouTube channel.
	I can send it in the chat.
	I'll just type it.
	It's Ashayana Dean.
	But her books are, again, the Voyager books.
	I highly recommend them.
	I think they're excellent.
	They're very complex, but you guys sound like intelligent guys.
	There are many other books that I can recommend, but not at this moment.
	So, any other parting remarks about yourself or about your quest?
	Trevor.
	Just to wrap up.
	No parting remarks.
	I'm just fighting the good fight.
	And I'm just speaking on it.
	So I thank you for every piece that you give me or anything that you give me or book recommendation.
	I love it.
	Yeah, thank you very much.
	Okay, cool.
	So Ben?
	Yeah, so thank you.
	I guess just parting remarks.
	I know that we're all, everyone, every human is trying to find truth and we're all looking towards each other.
	So I know that you have your truth and that is, it's so important that we all just kind of connect and we're connecting with each other and we're trying to impart our truths.
	And what you were saying about trying to see if people are lying.
	seeing if people don't know if they're not telling the truth, all that is something that I'm becoming a lot more aware of in the last couple months.
	It's almost like every single thing that I'm seeing now, I have to know if it's not true or if people think that they're telling the truth with the hybrid children.
	Because I see people now who are online talking about how they have hybrid children.
	The time travel, and it's like I believe them.
	I believe that they're telling the truth, that they're telling their truth.
	And I think that it's so important that we all listen to each other and try to help each other.
	And thanks for talking to us right now.
	It's really cool that you Would talk to us.
	Because we're nobodies.
	No, you're obviously wonderful beings.
	You know, that's it.
	You're wonderful beings.
	So, thank you.
	Thank you for being here and contributing your light.
	So, Wisem, any thoughts?
	Thank you.
	I mean, really, really, really, really, really thank you.
	Yeah, not so much.
	There were a few quick questions that we definitely don't think that we know the answers to from where we're standing.
	And would it be cool if we just ask you real quick those questions?
	Yeah, sure.
	Go ahead.
	Well, starting with one, we really are interested in terms of what do you think of...
	What do you think of WikiLeaks?
	Do you think WikiLeaks is compromised at this moment?
	It seems like it.
	Do you think Assange is dead?
	Or captured.
	You know, I don't know because Alex Jones is saying something like he's missing.
	Someone else today told me that they think he's in Russia.
	I know that the United Nations has just overturned the second attempt of the Brits to try to...
	To compromise the ruling so that basically they have to let them go and they're supposed to let them go.
	I believe it's actually at the end of the week.
	I think you said December 7th.
	And so I don't know where he is at this moment.
	I do know WikiLeaks has told people to stop asking.
	I do think he can just wave from his window if he was there, though.
	I know.
	That's what it seems like.
	So it seems like he would be compromised if he's not waving from the window.
	Okay, and I've also had, you know, I have one whistleblower who tells me he's working for, you know, one of the intelligence services.
	I believe, my belief about Edward Snowden and Julian Assange is that they are both acting from the heart, that they are both good guys.
	Now, that doesn't mean they're not being used.
	That's the only caveat.
	If you're being used...
	Camelot, my company, I get used.
	They might be using me right now for all I know.
	That doesn't change my intent.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That doesn't change my karma because I'm not responsible for what they try to do to me.
	You know what I mean?
	Now, I know that some people feel that some of the WikiLeaks disclosures have been slanted.
	I believe...
	That's possible.
	Sorry, piggybacking off of that, how do you feel about Russia?
	How do you feel about Putin?
	Do you think he's down with the cabal?
	Do you think he's down with the New World Order?
	You know, it's really hard to tell.
	I mean, I think that the information that I get, and again, I get Tons of information, and I have to weed through all of it.
	I have to go through all of my different whistleblowers.
	I have to compare and contrast what I'm getting.
	Overall, it does seem that Putin has been fighting against, to some degree, the New World Order.
	And yet, I question how he was part of the KGB and how he actually treated humans in his own country.
	I believe that...
	Jordan, I don't know if you know who Jordan Maxwell is, but he's one of my witnesses, and he's a person who studied Illuminati symbolism for the last 40 or 50 years.
	I've got many interviews with him on my website.
	His name is Jordan Maxwell.
	Yeah, he's an amazing guy.
	The first one I did in person is the best one to watch, I think.
	But what I can tell you is that he says, this is what he says, and he's really studied a lot of esoteric thought, as have I, actually.
	And it does resonate with me.
	He says, you know, basically the United States and Russia are two wings of the same bird.
	And the head, you know, it's all joined.
	They are joined in the secret space program.
	So some of this drama that we witness in the newspapers is just that it's put on for, it's what it seems like.
	Yeah.
	It's put on for our entertainment and to distract us and so on and so forth.
	But behind the scenes, they may be friends.
	It's really complex though.
	Because you have to look beyond the individual and what they are so-called doing in the press, what their friends say, what their enemies say, and then you also have to look at the soul of the person, in my view.
	And so I try to see beyond to the soul.
	To the essence of the person.
	And I try to understand the road they're on in this life.
	What are they trying to achieve?
	And are they really on a dark path or does it just seem like they're on a dark path?
	You know, those kind of questions.
	So...
	To me, Putin is an interesting study.
	I think he has some potentially good parts of him, but I do question what he really did to get where he is today and whether he actually participated in a totalitarian type of rule over humans that I don't appreciate and don't agree with.
	I think Jordan, two sides of the Same bird.
	You know, we're talking just opposites, playing the opposite.
	He's supposed to play the opposite to our president and our...
	So it's going to be interesting to witness Trump and Putin, who are trying to be friends, and see where that goes.
	Do you think...
	Do you think we're going to have...
	Sorry, you go.
	No, go ahead.
	I was going to say, the Wernher von Braun, Carol Rosen...
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm sure you know of...
	Do you think they're going to actually try to do that?
	You mean Project Bluebeam?
	Yeah, like the Wernher von Braun, how you have the Cold War, then you have the Gulf War, then you have the asteroid threat, then you have the last alien.
	Always making an enemy.
	You know, okay, this is going to be controversial, my answer, okay?
	I don't believe, I know Carol Rosen wants to say, no weapons in space, etc.
	It's way too late.
	Way too late.
	We have tons of weapons in space.
	You know, we have a secret space program.
	Watch my videos, listen to my whistleblowers.
	Wernher von Braun was part of it.
	He was part of creating the secret space program.
	Yes, they can do a fake alien invasion, but we've already been invaded by aliens.
	You want to call them aliens.
	Six Ways to Sunday, going back millennia.
	That's the point.
	That's who we are.
	We are a composite being of DNA from all those races, and they continue to invade our planet.
	So to say, no, they're all good, the Stephen Greer, Carol Rosen thing, that's a lie.
	They're not.
	Okay, as above, so below.
	I want to ask you about Stephen Greer, because we had...
	I've watched your interview with him, but aside from that, before that, Ben and I had some ideas and differing viewpoints on Greer.
	I feel like he's full of shit, and I feel like he's on someone's payroll.
	Well, look, he's definitely working with the CIA. I mean, I know that for a fact.
	I can't tell you why I know that.
	He may not appreciate me saying that.
	Look, I don't consider him an enemy.
	I consider him a soul on a path trying to make sense of the world.
	He clearly does believe what he's saying, but I have to say on so many levels, everything I know for 10 years with all the witnesses I have tells me he's wrong.
	What can I say?
	He knows or should know there are both, it's like humans.
	There are good humans and there are bad humans.
	You could say they're more positively oriented or you could say they're You know, 80-20 or 60-40 or whatever it happens to be, but every being has a sort of, you know, you're going to weigh out at the end of the day and they're going to, you know, in space, if, you know, ETs out there, et cetera, et cetera, they are not all well-intentioned towards humans.
	I am told and we are told over and over again that the predominant thing is that there are more good beings Sort of ETs or, you know, extraterrestrial, interdimensionals, whatever you want to call them.
	You know, the ones under the earth, the ones in inner earth, etc., etc., more good than bad.
	But the bad ones are significant.
	And the also other bad threat is...
	From potentially, from negative AI, those that we create here on Earth and those that are marauding throughout space and are headed here.
	And that is a very real threat.
	Would you say there's a specific time when they're going to start introducing more of the AI, at least publicly?
	It's happening now.
	Go on to YouTube and listen to a guy named, I'll write it into your chat later, but Giordi Rose, D-Wave.
	It's a 20-minute presentation.
	He talks about his D-Wave is basically quantum computing, this quantum computer that is now accessing other dimensions, and that it is an artificial intelligence that And if you stand next to it, it can, I guess, communicate with you and read your mind, etc.
	I'm not sure to what extent.
	Is that similar to what Peterson was saying with the MOTHER program?
	That's the nanosatellites that are artificially intelligent, and that's a whole grid.
	Anthony Sanchez talks about that, and he's had multiple threats to tell him to shut up.
	Now, if somebody gets threats, and I have gotten threats, if somebody gets interfered with, the more interference they have, the more chances they're telling the truth.
	If you meet somebody and they're just hunky-dory and wonderful, there might be a reason.
	They might have good backing from the reptilians.
	How do you feel about Corey Goode?
	And his information.
	Okay, I'm not going to talk about the person so much.
	You know, I am talking about the information.
	I'm not talking about Greer as a person.
	I'm talking about his information, you know, whether it's right or wrong, in my view.
	And this is based not just on my own, you know, opinion, but it's based on the people that I interview and all of the whistleblower, mainly the whistleblower team.
	I think he's a latecomer to the secret space game.
	I think he's being used.
	I think he does have some good information.
	Some of it's true.
	I think sometimes he's being misled.
	My dealings with him as a person were not positive, so I'm cautious in regard to him.
	I think that shows me how he was used.
	Some people do get subject to mind control.
	So, even good people in this sector are subject to mind control and from time to time, like, they'll go in it and then they'll come out of it.
	So, he might have come out of it lately.
	Okay, maybe he's all good right now.
	I don't know.
	I'm not in contact with him.
	I'm not watching his stuff on Gaim.
	And, you know, I do have cautionary notes about Gaim.
	Not because of who they are necessarily, but they are trying to take over the entire society.
	Alternative Sector.
	They tried to buy me out time and time again.
	I have refused them.
	They flew me to Colorado.
	They wine and dine me.
	I told them no thank you.
	They knew I was trouble anyway.
	What can I say?
	But, you know, I just...
	Thank you for not selling out.
	Everyone's fucking selling out.
	You know, but everyone in the sector is vulnerable because they need money.
	People don't realize you can't make money at this game.
	There's no money to be had.
	Okay?
	So, I'm sorry.
	It's just, you know...
	And it's tough.
	It's very tough to continue without money.
	I don't know if you want to divulge this information on this platform.
	Would you give any hints or little breadcrumbs to technology or techniques or practices that you feel could nullify mind control?
	You know, what I would say, again, has to do with meditation and activating your Kundalini and basically putting yourself in a space where you are sovereign and where you can surround yourself with white light and basically put yourself in a protective bubble on layers of protection.
	But it is also important to understand that your soul has a journey for you.
	So, it's not always the worst thing in the world that somebody would actually manage to attack you because in fighting off an attack, you become stronger.
	And I have been attacked and I have become stronger as a result.
	It's a crazy thing.
	It's one of those things where whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
	Actually, sad to say, if you want to say, or good to say, but it's true.
	And so, in terms of protecting yourself from mind control, look, you have to be your taskmaster, so to speak.
	It's all you.
	Someone else can't tell you you're crazy.
	Someone else can't tell you that you're getting a little off here or that you actually just said something that didn't come from you or from your heart.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's always running through the heart that's really the best way.
	It's centering in yourself.
	And then you know that you're following your path, good or bad.
	You know, you're going to make legitimate mistakes that you need to make in order to go into the right direction.
	I can tell you that sometimes success can be a really good thing.
	But I can tell you I would not be doing this today if I had the success in making movies that I was set out to do.
	So I planned to make movies in Hollywood.
	And instead, because of my personality, I didn't get into that old boys network and I was too rebellious and too difficult for them to control.
	We know Hollywood's like, man, it's like even a military industrial complex.
	I'm not going to say any names, but if you look at him up, the brother of a politician, that guy's there.
	I'm like, how the fuck did that guy rise through Hollywood like that?
	Like how the fuck the power of Hopi would be consolidated and the agencies get basically done into the one, the two, the three, the four.
	Because it was like, where did that guy come from?
	Like otherworldly, like how someone can do that.
	And if you look him up, you'll know who I'm talking about.
	And if you look into his brother's political ties and look into his...
	Yeah, I mean, a lot of this is bloodlines.
	Start to learn to read people's bloodlines because that can give you so much insight as to what's going on with them.
	One of the things I do want to caution, you know, don't generalize too much.
	Yes, Hollywood is screwed up, but there are many good people trying to do good things in Hollywood, and they are busting their ass to do that.
	Now, some might be mind-controlled, some might be taken over, but every day I met people in, I was in Hollywood for 20 years, and I can tell you that I saw people, you know, who just sweat and blood to try to make Something good, okay?
	So there are good people.
	But yes, it's part of the Illuminati system.
	It's very screwed up in many ways.
	Would you say that there's some big Silicon Valley people that are definitely a part of Bloodlines?
	Yes.
	Especially the big one, the really big one that you've got to use to log into everything nowadays?
	Yes.
	Yeah, you know, one of the things I'll tell you about that is that I believe Steve Jobs was killed.
	I believe that a man in his position who died of cancer at this day and age didn't have to die of cancer.
	Look, I've had cancer and cured myself.
	It's not that hard.
	There's so many cures out there, it's ridiculous for cancer right now.
	If he kept having cancer, it's because they targeted him in some...
	Relentless way.
	And, you know, and he, you know, and bless him that he couldn't survive.
	You know, I have to say that I think they wanted control of Apple.
	They freaking wanted control of Apple.
	So I believe he was taken out.
	Don't they have it now?
	Would you say they have it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Would you say that it's safe to use any fucking phone company?
	What?
	Or just like, would you say that it's safe to use any phone companies?
	Oh.
	Or would you say just...
	Did like a rotary phone and call it a day?
	No, you know what?
	The AI's already rampant on the planet in terms of surveillance technology.
	Read our Jake Simpson interview.
	He never went on camera.
	He never went in front of the public.
	It's only a written interview.
	Basically, he disclosed stuff about surveillance long before Snowden ever came to the fore.
	And he talked about things that Snowden has never talked about.
	So then you have to ask yourself, Snowden knows something, but he doesn't know everything.
	And he definitely, he has to know some things he has not released.
	I can guarantee you that he does.
	He's trying to keep his own self alive and probably his girlfriend and his family.
	Yeah, you could tell.
	You could tell if he put out certain shit, it's a rant, but...
	Yeah, I mean, that's true, Julian Assange.
	These people know things, they know what I know.
	But see, you know, it's interesting.
	See, I can get away with it, because in a sense, I'm nobody in their world, right?
	Whereas they have, you know, become like celebrities in a bigger sense than I, you know, am.
	And they have a vested interest, and so they are targets.
	I don't fault people who are trying to protect their own lives.
	Bob Dean, one of my most famous whistleblowers, is still not telling everything he knows.
	He is about to die.
	He is in his late 80s.
	And he's not doing great at this time, but I can tell you, guaranteed, he will not tell you the very truth because his wife is still alive, you know, his children, you know, that kind of thing.
	He's not going to tell you because he wants to save these people.
	You have to understand.
	It's understandable, you know.
	A lot of people that I'm like, give it up.
	It's like, just like, fuck it, man.
	Like, whatever.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	Well, thank God William Tompkins, look him up.
	I know, I know.
	Thank God this 93-year-old guy is actually telling it like it is.
	Even if you don't believe him, you know, 93 and he's out there talking, that's wonderful, you know.
	So hopefully we'll get more whistleblowers.
	That's what I look forward to.
	So look, I gotta go.
	It's been great having you guys on the show.
	A lot of fun.
	And I think other people will find it valuable.
	I hope they do.
	And maybe we'll do this again sometime.
	That'd be great.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you so much.
	Thanks again.
	All right.
	It was really great meeting you.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	Feel free to communicate with me.
	Alright, take care.
	See you later.
	Bye guys.
	Okay.
	Hold on one second here.
	Okay, so thank you everyone for watching.
	It's been a lot of fun to talk with those guys.
	I hope you enjoyed it as I did.
	And...
	What can I say?
	You know, there's a lot of people awakening out there.
	Everyone has their own gifts to bring to the table.
	It's very exciting to see young people awakening and bringing forward their gifts.
	So those guys are really awake and aware, and it's just great to see that.
	So have a great night, and I'll be back next week with more shows.
	Okay?
	Take care.

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