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Nov. 11, 2016 - Project Camelot
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COMYNS BEAUMONT - BRITAINS HIDDEN HISTORY - INTERVIEW WITH INGRID MACLEAN
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Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Hamlet and I am here today with Ingrid McLean and this is going to be a really fascinating show.
I'm very delighted to have her on the show finally.
We've tried to schedule this a number of times, had some interruptions along the way and today is just delightful to have her here.
So I'm going to just run the credits really quickly here on the screen and then we'll get we'll get launched into everything.
So just bear with me as we go through these motions.
Thank you.
And let me see.
I do want to put, even before I do that, I'm going to...
Read this brief statement by Cummins Beaumont from his book The Great Deception and then we'll sort of launch into your bio.
He says all the relations and uprisings of the ancient Jews in their In their contacts with the Romans can only be properly resolved and understood, I contend, when the entire sphere of activity is transferred to ancient Britain.
So that's kind of the premise of today's show.
And we're going to be talking a lot about his book and Ingrid's relationship to that book and a movie that I believe she's getting underway regarding this subject matter.
And so at the moment...
I've got more than one bio for you, so I'm just going to launch into this one and hope for the best.
So you're a linguist and a former tutor, and you're home educating your twin daughters, researching and writing about the origins and structure of language and its association with all the catastrophic history that we don't get to see.
As Mason Bigelow, she's written a book about the lost history of Britain and is now working on another.
She's got a play based on Commons Beaumont's life of Francis Bacon as the secret son of Elizabeth I and the author of the plays of Shakespeare.
She's just finished a book of short stories based on personal experiences of spiritualism, Rosicrucianism, and Freemasonry following on a traumatic and tragic accident which turned her world upside down and showed her the bigger picture.
She curates the Commons Beaumont Archive with the Du Maurier family and runs a small independent publishing house with her own family And is reissuing important, hard-to-find titles by Commons Beaumont.
J.W. Dunn and David Lindsay, along with other books and related topics by well-known authors previously out of print, as well as works by groundbreaking new writers.
She has a puppet museum with a Punch and Judy show.
But it somehow seems to relate to the film that she's working on.
And somehow, Mr.
Punch, she says, is central to the story.
So I know you sent me another one as well.
And I probably should just let you talk about the other one you sent.
So let's get you on the screen here.
And again, welcome to the show.
It's lovely to have you here.
Thanks, it's great to be on it last year.
Okay, so this is Ingrid McLean, and Ingrid, could you please talk a little bit more about your background?
You really have a fascinating background, and you're doing all kinds of things.
You must be a workaholic from the sound of it.
So can you tell us more about your background?
Well, I'm doing too many things at the moment, I think.
And I managed to break my foot doing it, so I'm a bit uncomfortable at the moment, but I'll carry on.
Yeah, I studied linguistics, was a language student for a while, taught my daughters at home, and now for the past almost 10 years I've just been engrossed in this stuff.
Okay, and by this stuff, you are working on a film, so can you elaborate about the film, how this came to happen, and what kind of film it's going to be?
And we did put your trailer on the website so people can see that.
The film is a documentary based on Commons Beaumont and related authors on his work about catastrophism.
Do you want me to sort of run down, run through Cummins Bowman's work first?
Well, that might be useful.
Go ahead.
He's a bit of an odd sort of rebel, really.
He was a very, very conventional establishment figure in the early 20th century.
He was an editor of the Daily Mail, really important British newspaper, edited several magazines, and He worked in diplomatic circles, so he was on the inside all the time, knew sort of all the machinations of government and what was going on in the world, between wars particularly.
He was associated through the people that he was working with with arms dealers and so he could see the conspiracies that were happening.
In his later life he got to be interested in extreme weather.
There was a serious earthquake at the time and he actually went to visit the site of the earthquake and wrote a book about the way that comets have had a really serious effect on the earth throughout history and It took catastrophism to a more scientific place because in the 19th
century there was a war, basically, between catastrophists on one hand and evolutionists on the other hand.
The evolutionists did win in the end because the catastrophists tended to attribute all of the catastrophic events um to supernatural forces so the theories weren't taken seriously and what went through in scientific terms was a sort of steady evolutionary thing or a process that uh common form
refers to as uniformitarianism where the world has basically stayed the same or changed in gradual and uh regular ways whereas in fact What's becoming more apparent now from scientific study and astronomy is that there are huge changes,
huge changes, and they are related to comets and extraterrestrial objects.
Right, absolutely.
So in terms of your relationship with his work, how you became a curator of his work, could you talk a little bit about that?
It was to do with my Scottish ancestry, really.
The thing that started me writing in the first place was the awful thing that happened in the family when my daughter's boyfriend was killed in a car crash on his way back home after he'd been staying at our house over Christmas.
It affected everyone really, really badly, but The whole family had amazing spiritual experiences after that.
He came back and spoke to me.
There was so much...
I don't really want to go into that now because it's not particularly relevant, but it did change my whole life, my whole world.
Changed the whole family.
And I looked into spiritualism, I looked into Rosicrucianism, My grandfather was actually a mason, a Scottish mason, and I started, although I hadn't known anything about that when I was younger, so I started looking into the Scottish sort of heritage and found out some things about Edinburgh.
I read Barry Dunford's book about The Holy Land of Scotland and Visions of Albion about ancient Britain and the way things were.
He mentioned Cummins Beaumont.
I went on to look at Andrew Hennessy's work who talks about Underground Edinburgh and just followed through there really and went on to find out more and more about Cummins Beaumont.
It was really difficult to get the books to read in the first place.
Had to order them from libraries, took ages.
But once you've read the books and you've taken in the information in there, it completely changes everything.
And I sound like a religious zealot.
It changes the whole view of the world.
It changes everything.
And all of the things that don't make sense, all of the sort of scattered and fragmented stuff that can be manipulated and can cause people to be able to be controlled it joins up you see that there isn't just a whole lot of random stuff going on but that there is a structure underneath and you can relate the events today to what's happening underneath once
you can see that he is in fact right about the shifting of geography and the hiding event Now you might be asking why that would have happened.
The reason for that is that the comets were regarded as gods in ancient times.
Things that fell down from the sky were worshipped.
The Karbar in Mecca, the black cube, is a piece of meteoric stone.
The goddess Cybele was a piece of black meteoric stone.
Many of the ancient goddesses were actually worshipped in the form of black stones.
Towards the end of the Roman Empire, when things were going all pear-shaped over there, the Romans had to bring back the goddess Cybele.
From the place where she was.
Now, they're very cagey about the place where she was, but from the descriptions, it was actually written.
They had to take the goddess Cybele back to Rome, or take her to Rome, in order to make everything okay.
And the goddess Cybele was, in fact, a piece of black meteoric rock.
A bigger piece of this.
This is a piece from the cave, a piece of...
Okay, and it's in essence a meteor.
Yes.
Okay.
And people were, the black Madonna that people talk about, you know, all were actually pieces of meteorites that had come down.
They were worshipped.
It's the origin of Standing stones, stone worship, which people call phallic worship, which in fact was the worship of stones, which were that shape.
And they were that shape not for simple phallic reasons, but because of the shape of the comet coming down to the ground, because the rocks were often that shape.
And they weren't allowed to work.
They had to just stay the way they were.
They had properties which were regarded as magical in olden times, or magnetic, if you want to use a less magical term.
Okay, and so how does this relate to specifically his work?
Did he look at these black stones and know something about them?
How does this link up with the secret history of Britain?
Okay.
What he did was to look into...
Originally he was interested, like I said, in extreme weather events.
And he went off to look at the site of an earthquake.
I can't remember whether it was...
Oh, it was Sicily.
An earthquake at Messina in Sicily in 1909.
He went and visited the site of the catastrophe.
It was a really serious earthquake.
He looked into, there was another one later on in Tokyo that was very, very serious.
He looked into these things, correlated them with reports of meteors passing over, and comets passing over in historical cases.
And came to the conclusion that many, many extreme weather events, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, are due to the proximity of meteors, comets.
And so there's a sort of attraction, the actual physical manifestation on the Earth, The law of attraction that people talk about.
the comets or meteors when they go past are attracted in a specific direction to the earth along line of the force on an energy grid on the earth.
They are attracted to these places they If they hit the Earth, then a volcano will be formed.
Chains of volcanoes do go along these specific lines.
You can check that.
The volcanoes then, in turn, attract more comets and so you have more and more volcanoes in the same sort of area and they do go along lines of energetic force.
He went on from there to look at Evidence in ancient Roman history and in mythology to look at accounts of when these extreme weather events had happened.
Talking about the flood of Noah, which he realized was the same as the deluge of Jekyllian and the flood of Ogyges, which are in Greek history.
He then followed that up, joined up the accounts, found out that they fitted together, and that they were, in fact, all referring, it would appear, accounts from all over the world, to one event.
He would check through the stories, especially, there are lots of Greek myths referring to these floods in the Deucalian deluge, Checking through these, he found out that they did not work.
The stories didn't work placed in the lands where they are said to have happened.
But they do if you put them in England.
And the conclusion that he comes to, after a lot of evidence is put forward, is that The Greeks originated in Scotland.
And the stories, as you talked about in your introduction, the stories of the Romans and the Jews are in fact the stories of the Romans and the ancient Britons.
And the reason that the Jewish question is confused is that Constantine in the 375 At the Council of Nicaea,
moved, I mean, did not physically move them, but told the world that the places that were the things that actually happened were in the Middle East rather than in the United Kingdom.
It changed the whole course of world history.
Yeah, and that is such a strange twist in this whole saga.
Do you have any or does he have any explanation as to why Constantine made that switch?
I understand that there were certain political reasons why he chose to do that.
It seems to have been for short-term political reasons at the time, yes.
They were losing control of Britain.
They were losing control of ancient Britain at the time.
The empire was falling apart.
And he had a new capital in Constantinople.
And so he moved all of the stories, all of the sites, over to the Middle East.
So it was in part sort of just an arbitrary act of power, in a way.
And It was for his benefit, and it was also to keep the Empire going.
Constance was actually born in York.
His mother was British, and she was actually a pagan, a British pagan, but he converted her to the Roman version of Christianity.
And Christianity in its original form was the Sorry I'm having a pain in the back.
Christianity was an original philosophy that was not remotely like it is, like the control system that it's become through the Romans.
Right.
It does appear that he seemed to have taken Christianity or the stories of Christ specifically and changed them.
Correct?
Yes, he did.
And he put them in the Middle East for his own short-term purposes.
The Commons Beaumont is convinced that Jesus, the man who was called Jesus by the Romans, actually did live and work as a healer and a preacher in Britain.
Okay, right.
Now, this is really interesting, and I did look into this in his book, and I'm wondering why, I don't know if it says here, anywhere where he talks about why the sort of subterfuge, or the fraud, or whatever you want to call it, was perpetuated.
Like, how did that happen?
It's a strange thing.
It's a very, very odd thing.
But it's a thing that no one seems to have questioned since then.
The Council of Nicaea, they were trying, what was happening was that he wanted to keep the empire together.
Christianity was a very good way of doing that.
Just as it is now.
If they could get people To believe in Christianity and to follow their rules, which they had attached to Christianity, then that was the perfect way of controlling a falling apart empire.
And so if they had the sites close to Rome, close to Constantinople, which is where his power base was, He'd only been in Britain because his father was Emperor of the West, over here before him.
So they moved back, he moved back when his father died, to Constantinople, which was to be his power base.
Associating the things with those areas.
Now, I think The best way to answer your question is to refer to Mike Bay, who I don't know if you've heard of, but he's a professor at the University of Queen's University in Belfast, who is quite well known for his work on trees.
He discovered that traumatic world events leave a mark in tree rings So he found records in tree trunks that had been found in swamps and ones that had been used in very, very old buildings showing traumatic events at a particular time.
Fascinating, yeah.
Right, now these events correlate specifically the one The event that Cummins Beaumont regards as the Flood of Noah, which was in the 14th century BC, and joins up with the time of the Exodus,
if you allow for sort of slight corrections, because the way the date of the Exodus is calculated in the Bible is very, very random, and has had lots of alterations over the years, and it's based on dates of a specific pharaoh,
who actually did not rain at that time or no one can be certain that he did rain at that time so the dates that we're talking about it you know within a couple of thousand years is accurate enough there is actually record of a catastrophic event in Britain at that time which is recorded in the tree rings The
way this refers back to the Roman Empire.
Now, let me get back to that.
I don't know how this comes across, but I've been staped in it for 10 years, and so I know, you know, it all joins up for me.
I really don't know whether it's joining up, as I'm telling you, because there are an awful lot of sort of strands to it.
Okay, well, the tree rings is a fascinating thing, and you've got this sort of cataclysm, which is the flood, correct?
And somehow this links, you're saying, to Rome.
Now, how does it link to Rome?
The time...
Okay.
They need to keep control of the empire and they've found Christianity, Roman Christianity, is a perfect way of doing this.
You have people terrified of the retribution and whatever is going to happen to them.
Hell and damnation.
And...
Stuff under the ground and stuff from the sky and everything.
If people find out, people realise that what they're actually worshipping is a rock from the sky, if people realise that the events and the visitations from the gods and all of Religious history basically is based on rocks coming from the sky and the passage of comets.
If your religious followers realize that then you've lost them because they know that your gods aren't gods but rocks.
So at the time I was talking about when the Terrible things were happening in Rome.
One of the terrible things that was happening was that there was failure of the crops.
The weather was bad.
And there was actually a meteor strike.
And this was associated with Constantine because he was coming...
There was a battle.
The battle on Milvian Bridge which was Stopped by the descent of this meteorite.
That obviously had to be kept quiet.
They bring back the goddess.
People worship the goddess.
One more interesting thing about the goddess that they bring back from basically Britain is that she had to be accompanied by special priests who I said to have been eunuchs I don't know what the relevance of that is but they had their faces whitened and their hair bleached and they were called galley and this seems to battle everyone no one can figure out the etymology of the word galley
or why they're called galley um nobody can understand why in rome they would be they would wear white robes and they would have blonde hair And they would have pale faces.
But the galley are the Gauls and the people in the West.
The Gauls that Caesar fought later on were actually people who had escaped from the catastrophe in Britain and gone to live over in France and Switzerland.
So these galley are actually, if they aren't actually Britons who have been brought over, And that people are made to look like Britons with their fair and their white faces, looking after the cosmic goddess.
Okay, now you're talking about a flood catastrophe in Britain around the year, you said, 1400 BC. And I'm wondering, is this...
The general flood that we know of, or is this another flood, a previous flood so to speak, coming a bit earlier than the documented flood?
The flood of Noah?
Is this it?
And also, the end of Britain, from what I understand, Britain used to be much bigger.
It was actually part of Atlantis, at least according to one of my sources, Ashina Dean.
Her contacts tell her that the very southern end of Britain was actually part of, I believe, the island of Atlantis or a nearby Atlantean island.
Does Cummins relate to that?
Oh, yes.
Yes, I've read Ashiana Dean's work.
I love her.
The comet hit in...
Yeah, the comet hit Britain.
Or what's now Britain?
But which was, formally, part of Hyperborea, which Plato spoke of as being Atlantis.
So that what we now have as being the British Isles was formerly part of the continent yeah But wasn't there also a magnetic pole shift in which the whole planet was upside down at one time?
Maybe I misunderstood that.
Well, this would have caused some kind of shifting of the pole and it could possibly have caused a A magnetic bullshit so that everything was...
I mean, it's really hard to imagine what it would be like.
He does make a pretty good attempt at describing it, though, because there would not just be a rock falling from the sky.
You know, he regards this as having been something to do with an interaction between Jupiter and Saturn, which at that time were more important and bigger in the sky.
Um...
And that this comet came somehow from Saturn.
Right, and it was a hit, though.
It was actually aimed to destroy whatever was going on, to change the...
because it was a war between various ET races in the end.
You might be right.
He doesn't go that far.
He doesn't go there, okay.
He does talk about the Aryans a lot, and I'm curious about how the whole Aryan thing works into all of this.
He talks about the red-haired, blonde giants who were here before, and that there was a war between the two races, you know, the giants and the sons of men.
But he doesn't, presumably because of the time when he was writing, take it to a sort of off-planet level.
Or he hints at it, but he doesn't specifically go into that.
I mean, because of his background, I presume.
He wouldn't think that he would be taken seriously.
I mean, he was ridiculed enough for what he did say.
In the 1930s, 40s, 50s, I don't think he would have been willing to take it as far as, you know, ET races.
But you can't stop where he does.
No.
It obviously does have some off-planet aspects, yeah.
He talks about it as being comet and coming from Saturn and having something to do with the interaction between Jupiter and Saturn and Saturn having been more important in the sky than the sun taking over, which Velikovsky went on to steal, basically.
But he did leave.
I mean, he took Cummins-Burman's catastrophism ideas and used them But he didn't change the sites of where they happened.
He left the events in the Middle East in a sort of conventional way.
But yes, I don't think that you can leave it the way he does.
said that okay what he said was that the the comet twin comets because they split into hit what's now the North Scotland and the western side of the country he where we have the island of Staffa and Fingal's cave now just got my rock from
there's actually a piece of basalt out of Fingal's cave so this has come from another planet he's right He said that the columns of basalt and the giant's causeway were where the larger part of the comet impacted at that time.
And then the molten basalt went over and formed islands.
So the whole land mass was smashed to pieces, bits broken up.
The climate changed.
I mean, while it was happening, it must have been utterly terrifying, because you see the thing coming towards you.
It's described, you know, this is where the serpent gods and the myth of Phyton and Apollo and the chariots and things, and Shakespeare.
Don't let me forget Shakespeare.
I'll come on to Shakespeare and find this bacon in the dick.
Don't let me forget that.
All of these, all the fierce sky gods and their chariots and their horses and things and the dragons and serpents are all images of the twisting comet coming closer and getting brighter and brighter in the sky.
So there's terrifying things approaching.
And then there would be a huge electromagnetic pulse So, you know, there's this horrible thing going around.
People are fried, basically.
And then the climate's completely altered.
The sea level rises.
It becomes very, very cold.
And so the people who are left are not too traumatised and not just sitting there dribbling, you know, because they lost the power to speak.
And ended up with awful, awful traumas so that they would be heeding, there would be cannibalism, they would be sacrificing their children so that this didn't happen again.
Terrifying, terrifying things, but people did recover and Obviously because it was so cold and nothing was growing anymore they would move to warmer places so people went over to France and there are caves over there in Dordogne where there's evidence of pictures and pictures of people living in the cave so that you have that regarded as the Stone Age and cavemen but
actually fairly recent in fact and People had gone to live in the caves because it was easy.
From here, people would go further afield.
People went over to the US. And there were islands on the way, which are documented in old texts too.
You know, he wasn't just randomly making these things up.
He has references for everything.
Documents in old stories.
Classical texts.
So there is this thing that he talks about where ancient Hebrew is very close to the Welsh tongue.
Can you talk a bit about that relationship?
Well, yes.
Does that relate?
Oh, it does, yeah.
And lots of people have done research on this.
I've actually got Quite a bit about that in my new book.
Yes.
Ancient Celtic and Ancient Welsh.
There are lots and lots of...
It's obvious.
If you look into it, it's obvious that they are the same language.
So...
Okay, so I'm sorry to take you off track here.
I don't mean to do that.
I am wondering, in terms of this overall sort of scenario that you're, the picture you're painting, is what, in essence, is the outcome of all of it?
Does, in other words, does Cummins Beaumont come to a conclusion that it was basically seen to serve the powers that be to keep this sort of the illusion that most of these things regarding Jesus etc all happened in the Middle East or and so they you know continued the deception or was there a reason that he outlines as to why they
kept on with this this deception as as you call it right it's It's for the control of people.
It's because the way that Constantine did it was his mother was sent.
He sent his mother, who was really, really devoted and fervent Christian, and then took on the Roman ideas.
He sent her to the site where he wanted Jerusalem to be, where they had decided that Jerusalem should be.
We sent her with some church men.
The church men planted various bits of stuff, various relics, including a piece of wood that was supposed to be Jesus' cross.
Planted them in the place where Jerusalem is meant to be.
Sent her over to look at them and find them.
The church men who went with her helped her to find them.
She then founded churches over there.
And it started like that.
And he had...
I mean, he was the most powerful person on the planet at the time.
And he wanted to keep it that way.
He had challenges from other people over in Rome.
And he was determined that he would keep the empire.
And that's the way he did it.
All right.
So after the fall of Constantine, what happens then?
Then they keep it like that.
They make a concerted and really, really serious effort to keep it like that because they know that once they've got that control of people, they are not going to let go.
So they make sure that, well, first of all, they have the Bible.
They select which things are allowed to be in there.
So you have the version of history that's allowed to be.
um you have it placed you have it put in those places there is no question that it's not in those places there's no question that it's anywhere else it is where they say it is um those things happened at those times when they say they happened in the places they said they happened with the people that they happened to um and for a very very long time people were discouraged from reading basically so they couldn't i mean The people who could read
the Bible, some of them were allowed to read the Bible, but not a lot.
Most people couldn't read, and there weren't very many books anyway.
It was relatively recently that there have been, you know, the books have been a thing that people can read.
In the beginning, a book was a special thing, sometimes made of wood and silk and things that monks would keep in their Special places.
It wouldn't be a thing that lots of people could read.
And that's how it's been for a long time.
Only very recently have people been able to read these things and start questioning them.
And if people did question them, then there were problems.
So people were actually prevented from reading the Bible for a very long time, and they were only allowed to be told what The church men said that they could know.
Okay, so how does the life of Moses factor into all of this story?
Because I know he talks a lot about Moses.
Ah, this is my favourite bit here.
And this joins up with what you were saying about the off-planet business.
Moses, he says, was an arms dealer, basically.
The serpent rods.
He didn't live at the time that he was seduled.
He traveled all over the world, talking to princes and kings, teaching them magic, which was basically the science of weaponry and weapons construction, weapons manufacture.
He talks about having been underground bases where they made weapons.
The golden apples of the Asperides, Commons Beaumont says, were actually bombs.
There is a record of the Trojans during one battle carrying on the points of their spears apples, golden apples, which makes absolutely no sense.
There's also descriptions of columns like in Solomon's Temple, With the pineapples, which Cornwall Spurman talks about as being hand grenades, you know, talking in terms of the weaponry that was there at the time that he knew about.
And that basically, because Britain was so full of metal, there were tin mines in Cornwall, there was lots and lots of metal manufactured and there was a lot of arms manufactured here and so there is a secret history of weaponry and the war that was going on had pretty far advanced weaponry
in it but I would take it further than that I think that we're talking about scalar weaponry I think we're talking about harnessing comets and asteroids I think we're talking about planet-moving technology.
That's what was happening at the time.
And in the language, because he does mention the words that are used to describe, well, the names of certain towns, and the words that are used to describe some things, is what I've concentrated on in the new book.
And basically they're all describing Weapons.
And places where weapons were manufactured.
And it was a big war.
And the way that Tesla started working was by looking through old texts, wasn't it?
And he found out what was happening in ancient times and used it.
I think they were using spare weapons.
Right, fascinating.
So, in terms of, you know, Egypt and how it factors in, along with Moses, what is this portion?
How does this relate?
And is Britain, at this point, has everyone abandoned Britain and moved to the Middle East?
Or what's going on there?
People abandoned Britain apart from the ones who did stay.
I mean, there were a few who obviously stayed behind.
And they went to Egypt.
They went to the Middle East.
They went to Europe.
They went to America.
But, yes, the...
And the memory is...
Well, yeah, Egypt, for instance.
The journey to Amenta, the underworld, someone once says, is actually...
A record of the memory of the journey back to the miles that they came from in the first place.
A memory of a journey back to where?
To Britain or to underground?
Are we talking underground?
To Britain, yes.
Well, and to underground, because there is a lot of underground stuff here.
But the underworld that they talk about There were temples underground, yeah.
And the specific area that appears to be described and it fits onto as being the underworld or a temple of Poseidon is Fingles Cave at Stapha, which is where they kind of fell.
So the people were either describing an actual journey back Or imagining a journey back, or remembering the journey in reverse.
And talking about going back where they come from originally.
I guess you're familiar with the work of Zachariah Sitchin.
Yeah.
I wonder if Commons Beaumont was familiar with his work and whether or not he related to some of these so-called gods that would have been very tall beings that are depicted on the temple reliefs, both in Iran, for example, as well as I'm sure I've never been to Iraq, but I assume in Iraq as well, but also in Egypt.
So does he relate to that and what was going on with those What he concentrates on is because he did research this one particular impact so deeply and so thoroughly.
That's what he concentrates on.
He doesn't say that there haven't been previous impacts in other places.
He doesn't say that there haven't been previous races.
He doesn't say that there haven't been catastrophes.
But that's the one that he concentrates on.
Yes, obviously.
Okay, now there's a picture of, a very interesting picture in, I guess it's, I think it's Ireland, that has, I'm going to see if I can figure out how to show this.
I'm going to show it on the screen here, and then I'm going to see if I can actually make it visible to you at the same time.
I was going to try and do that with some pictures, but I've got no idea how to do it.
I know.
And I'm just curious it's a fascinating picture you know it's all these they look like stone columns but yeah I can't quite figure out what they really are so I'm going to share my screen see if this works and then you can see this picture that I'm showing people do you see that picture?
It's very slow yeah This is the giant's pose wave that I was telling you about.
So can you talk about that?
Right, these are the columns of basalt that I was talking about earlier.
So that the...
When the comet hit, way up here you can see at the back there, at the back of your picture, may in fact be Fingal's Cave over the sea, I'm not sure.
All of that coast there, yes.
These are columns of basalt, which are crystallised rock from when the comet fell.
I don't know if you know about Fingal's Cave.
No, I don't.
That's the island of Staffa, further north, but associated with these rocks here.
And there are rocks coming down and rocks going up from the bottom, and it's a really magical place.
And Yeah, that's what they are.
Along those lines, there is a new video out that actually says these are actually ancient tree stumps.
I don't know if you've seen that video.
It's kind of an interesting one.
I don't know if that's the case in this case, but had you heard anything about that?
Not in relation to...
But Mike Bailey's work with the trees, he does talk about underground forests and so does come with Beaumont, huge areas that are now the Fenlands, where there are trees from prehistoric times.
Underground, you're saying underground forests?
Underwater forests, sorry, underwater forests.
Underwater, okay.
Yeah.
But some of them are, in fact, swamp land, so it is, in effect, the ground.
Some sort of intermediate state where there have been forests previously.
Right.
Yeah, fascinating stuff.
Particularly around Lincoln, which he identifies with ancient Antioch.
We associate Jerusalem with Edinburgh, my favourite because I really love York, is that he says that York was Jericho, which was originally Eric, and also Babylon.
Where is he saying Babylon actually was initially?
Where York is now, in the middle of Britain.
Okay.
Is there any evidence that he cites that you know of that indicate these things?
Well, yes, but it's very involved is the problem.
And I am hoping by the end of this week to have quite a lot of this detail on the site.
I mean, I can go into it and I can go into the historical records, but it's quite long and tedious.
You might just have to take my word for it for now.
I'm pretty well convinced of it.
He superimposes the geography of the two places like he does with Jerusalem and Edinburgh.
If you put a picture of ancient Jerusalem over a map of Edinburgh, it matches up perfectly.
The same happens with York and Babylon.
The way that Parts of it are described in ancient texts and depicted in all drawings.
It actually does.
And the geography, so that you would have the way that places join up together and Palestine in relation to Jerusalem and Syria and Babylon.
They don't work on the sites where they're supposed to be.
They simply do not join up.
Well, that being the case, let's say that Cummins Beaumont is onto something here and this is all true.
What is the significance of the wars in the Middle East?
Is it because of things that happened then subsequently to them establishing these areas as centers for what supposedly happened in the Bible and therefore people migrated there and established cities there?
You know, because we do know there are some very amazing ancient sites in the Middle East and supposedly, you know, going back Many, many years.
And so, how do you resolve that?
Was it just a subsequent development?
He doesn't go into it.
He doesn't go into why Constantine went over there and did that.
He doesn't go into why Constantine was intent on having his capital there.
But it's interesting, isn't it, that the wars have always been in the same places.
Suggesting that, there is something important there.
Right.
Well, right now, of course, Syria comes to mind.
And Syria was mentioned a number of times in Commons work as relating to a certain place in Britain.
And so I just wondered if you had anything about that.
It seems...
From what I can figure out, having spent 10 years on this, and having looked at Reckham and Stromer and society's work, because I've inherited all their papers, it's great, that they spent 20 years on, it seems to me that it's the same war between the same two groups of people, or beings, whoever they are, that has been going on all the time.
And it's the same world that's going on now.
Okay, and what would you say are the two groups of people?
How am I that stupid?
Of course I'm not.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's quite convoluted at this point.
We're talking about bloodlines.
I mean, if you know the work of Ashina Dean, then you know that You know, it gets really, really involved.
But I think that there are some basics that one could talk about.
I'm also noticing that he does mention Nebuchadnezzar, you know, the whole Saddam Hussein thing.
So there's that link up.
Yes, I have my suspicions that that might be...
But one of the things that Saddam was trying to tell people, and that's why he had him done away with.
Because he was planning to build the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and be the new Nebuchadnezzar.
Right.
You know, I think he was going to talk about things.
Because you can't get Once you're in any sort of powerful position, you do know about these things to a certain degree.
You might not know all the ins and outs, and you might not know all of the convoluted bits, but people of influence do know these things.
Scottish Rite Masonism is based on this.
Okay, well, let's kind of stop right there because I'm very interested in this Scottish Rite masonry, also in part because it is said, I'm not sure if this is absolutely accurate, but it does make logical sense, that Trump, of course, the new president, comes from his mother was Scottish and that there's some link up with the Scottish Rite in his background.
So do you know what their role is In regard to all of this work that Cummins Beaumont is talking about?
No, I don't.
I have the faintest idea what goes on with them all.
I know that there seem to be two groupings.
There seems to be a Scottish group of people, and there seems to be a southern group of people.
Well, there's a Scottish Rite and the York Rite.
Did you ever get into the occult, or did Cummins Beaumont get into the occult?
Was he studying that at all?
No.
He talked about the culties and the way that the church had developed, but he did actually become a Roman Catholic himself when he married his wife up in the village just along the most.
So he seemed to be being very, very cagey and very, very careful about what he was saying, and he would only go so far.
So you have to sort of extrapolate, you know, you might be getting it wrong.
I don't know.
Okay, well, so you don't know of any clear-cut...
I mean, you know the Rosalind Chapel.
I'm not sure if there's any, you know, clear...
Have you ever studied that place, or did he?
He didn't talk about Rosalind, no.
But that is...
That was the thing that...
It has lots of symbols in it.
I wouldn't...
Try to begin to decipher all of the symbols that are in Roslyn Chapel.
But I have visited it, yes.
There's a definitely a two tribes aspect.
Right?
And it's spoken about as the northern and southern kingdoms in Israel.
So you have It's called Tawi, the two kingdoms.
There were the two kingdoms of Israel.
Then there was the United Kingdom of Israel.
And now, of course, we have the United Kingdom of Britain.
And there is...
I really don't want to get into all the complicated tribes and things.
But there was...
Simply because it's really confusing.
But...
There were two areas.
There was Judea and Syria.
Syria was basically the north.
And so you have the north and south of Britain, just like you do now.
And when you're saying this, you're actually saying that, was it called Syria?
A part of Britain was called Syria?
I mean, am I getting this confused?
Yes, yes, yes.
I mean, that's pretty fascinating, actually.
You know, I mean, there's got to be some kind of link-up with the Syria of today.
I think so.
Well, this is what he says.
The wars of the Jews still don't make sense unless you talk about them in terms of ancient Britain.
And he says that the ancient war is still carrying on by proxy in the Middle East.
Right.
Well, it's fascinating work.
Yes.
Now, you're doing a lot of investigation.
You're also a publisher of various books, and you also wanted me to remind you about Shakespeare.
And so, do you want to kind of address any of that?
That was another area that he delved into, because...
He was interested in Bacon and presumably went on from Bacon's New Atlantis to look into Bacon.
Concluded from various, referring back to various works that people had done before and the codes that are said to be in the plays.
He wrote The Private Life of the Virgin Queen which suggests that this is sort of semi-novel Which suggests that Francis Bacon was the first of Queen Elizabeth's sons.
And that Lord Essex was the younger one.
Lord Essex, of course, was executed.
But that she was not going to talk about this.
And Bacon was never allowed to Take his place, his rightful place.
And so he took to writing, called himself Shakespeare, after Pallas Athene, the goddess, who was called the Spearshaker, which is another reference to the comic.
The goddess with a shining spear making a loud noise.
We often have those.
So, yeah, and it was basically the Royal Shakespeare Company.
You know, we have his friends, several of his friends worked with him, Marlowe, Greene, among others, wrote plays.
He wrote plays.
They helped him to write the plays.
And the actor from Stratford, who was called Shakespeare, allowed them to use his name.
You know, they used him as a sort of French too.
And put coded messages and plays within the plays so that Bacon's about his actual history, his own story inside the Shakespeare plays.
Okay.
What about, I know this is kind of a right term, but what about King Arthur and the Holy Grail?
Does this factor into the work of Cummins Beaumont?
He talks about King Arthur, an actual mythical King Arthur, but he also talks about legends of King Arthur as referring to cosmic Events.
Aha.
So how many books do you write?
There's one we haven't found yet.
He wrote The Riddle of the Earth under a pseudonym at first because he didn't expect that he would get it published.
He wrote The Mysterious Comet, The Riddle of Prehistoric Britain, Britain the Key to World History, And The Great Deception, whose manuscript we just found last year, amazingly, after 60 years.
And apparently there's a novel based on the time of the catastrophe, but that has yet to be discovered.
I don't know where that is.
Well, when you say you don't know where it is, I mean, where might it be?
Are we talking about an old house where you have to go through things, or how does one discover this sort of thing?
Well, if anyone could tell me, I'd be really grateful.
It took a long time and several years' effort to find The Great Deception.
I knew that there was another book.
I was told that the Templars in Edinburgh had a copy and someone that I worked with at one time told me that he read it and he knew where it was.
I followed this trail but like just there was a complete blank.
I didn't get any answer for a long time and when I did get an answer it was very very rude and told me just where to go and it was not to go there.
Yeah And so I don't know whether they ever actually did have a manuscript, whether they had a copy of the manuscript, but the original, it turned out, was in a box that hadn't been open for a long time.
And in someone's house?
With the du Mauriers, yeah.
It was part of the family stuff.
Is this a relationship to Daphne du Maurier, the well-known writer?
Yes, yes, he was an uncle.
An uncle?
Yeah.
Okay.
And he first got it published.
He managed to have a first story published.
So you say he didn't write about the occult, and yet there is a sort of occult overlay in Daphne du Maurier's Mysteries.
And certainly some of the story does appear to have some of that as well.
So he appears to be quite knowledgeable about it, even though he doesn't, as you say, maybe he's not being forthcoming about it.
Because also if you get into Bacon and, you know, and all of that, I mean, there is an occult, always an underlying kind of theme that goes even through Britain and Britain's history.
So, I don't know.
What he did was simplify it, which was quite attractive to me at first, because what he did was simplify it.
I mean, it was terrifying but attractive because it was really simple.
Having studied linguistics, what I really enjoyed about doing my studies was that you found out that there was a structure underneath things and everything made sense if you just joined it together properly.
So that there's not just a surface representation, there's an actual structure underneath and you can join them together Stuff makes sense, you can see why things happen.
This is what I liked about Cummins Bowman and what he brought it down to was ancient weaponry.
That the science of ancient weaponry was really really important and hadn't been studied enough as far as he knew.
And he talks about like underground bases having been used for weapons production for a very very very long time.
He talks about Switzerland having been born for a very, very long time.
You know, suggesting that fairly, well, no, in fact, he doesn't suggest that fairly advanced technology, he actually states categorically that advanced technology was being used a long time ago.
That knowledge has been kept going.
and that the people who need to know about that or who feel that they're the people who need to know about that have known about that all the time continue to know about it and it's a continuing sort of strand of knowledge and it hasn't stopped you know it hasn't been lost yeah okay it's set back by the last catastrophe and it will be set back again by the next catastrophe however that occurs you know accidentally on purpose but it goes on the knowledge isn't lost Because
the people who need to know, or the people who do know, keep on knowing.
And it seems to be the same war that goes on between the same people in power throughout thousands of years.
Well, right.
And this is why this kind of history and finding the truth about it is so important.
I'm also wondering, since he did focus on this particular cataclysm, he must have felt that this was somehow...
A change, you know, a world-changing event.
I guess it took the focus away from Britain because everyone had to sort of, there was sort of an exodus from Britain at that point.
Is that right?
Yes.
And so, maybe down to the Middle East, and maybe there's always been a relationship, as you may know, well, in terms of vortexes and ley lines between Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid, for example.
Hmm.
So I don't know whether he ever talked about that sort of thing.
He talked about it as being primarily shelters in case of a flood, rather like the Tower of Babel.
It seemed like he went so far and then chickened out, you know, and said, no, I'm not going any further.
Yeah, okay, they were used for shelters.
I'm not saying what else they were used for.
Well, certainly, you know, because the Great Pyramid has also been told, you know, been said, and lots of, you know, researchers, I think Joseph Farrell among them, possibly others that aren't coming to mind just at the moment, saying that it is basically also a weapon.
Yes.
So, but Commons Beaumont didn't talk about that part.
No, he didn't talk about that.
I think it's because of the times.
You know, he talks about stories in the Bible and Ezekiel being taken away in a craft.
But he talks about the description of it as being exactly the description of a biplane.
Right now, that's not how I would think of it.
I would think of it in terms of some kind of spaceship, right?
But that's because that's the way we're...
Condition to think nowadays.
We would think in terms of a spacecraft rather than a biplane, like some kind of old-fashioned First World War airplane.
So he talks about it in terms of the time when he was writing, which is what we do too.
We don't really know at all, do we?
Right.
Well, in terms of what went on after the flood, somehow Britain kind of came back to life, right?
And people were able to go back there, as you say, maybe even talked about that.
I guess you're saying he didn't really deal with things after the fact.
In other words, He didn't try to put things together for us in terms of what happened once the flood had passed and Britain was re-established, because obviously she becomes a powerhouse in history much later,
but there are lots of historical events in Britain that happened, obviously, since the 1300s BC. So...
I assume, correct me if I'm wrong, are you saying that he did not go forward in history, in Britain's history, to explain things?
And also, just one other question that's occurring to me, are there any pyramids in Britain, or hidden pyramids, even under the ground or under the sea, etc.?
Yes, there are.
And he does talk about He talks about Avery as being a man-made, as being an artifact, as being a groundwork.
Yeah, there are lots of places that could be pyramids.
Not specially constructed modern pyramids like Valley of Borrel, but yes, there are places that could be ancient pyramids.
Sorry, I lost the Well, I was just asking whether or not the history of Britain going forward, if he ever got into any of that.
No, he talks about the war that was going on then being the same war that seems to carry on and being fought by proxy in the Middle East.
The same war between the same groups of people.
But he doesn't go...
He hints, but...
Because of his personal circumstances, I suppose.
Rather, like, because of Velikovsky's personal circumstances, he left the Jews over in the Middle East and didn't have any, like, idea of them being over in Britain.
Because of Commons Beaumont's sort of situation, he didn't go any further than that.
And The Great Deception was his last work, and he was sort of almost blind in the 70s.
And it was at the end of the 50s.
So it was before any of the...
You know, I guess he would have thought spacemen were a bit older.
He wouldn't have taken that kind of thing seriously.
Well, was he saying the Jewish people, that bloodline, which...
I thought it has to do with the Khazarians.
In other words, what is he saying the bloodline actually is?
Does he talk about bloodlines?
He's a little bit confused about who is who.
What he is adamant about is that the stories which are told about the Romans and the ancient Jews Are the stories of the Romans and the ancient Britons.
And he's pretty well circumscribed there.
He doesn't say that there weren't any other catastrophes, but that's what he's concentrating on.
He doesn't say that there weren't any other things like, you know, groups of people fighting before groups of people fighting after.
Who's who now?
But he says that those stories are about the ancient Jews.
Now I've gone on to look into it and I still am.
He must be saying, in essence, that the Jewish people are related to the Britons.
Yes.
He says that the stories of the ancient Jews are stories of the ancient Britons, but they're put over in the Middle East.
Now, where that leaves the Khazars, I'm not entirely sure, but that's something I'm researching at the moment, and it joins up with...
Romany and gypsy culture and Scottish gypsies.
But I'm still working on that.
Well, how does it relate also to the Celts?
In a very...
In either a very complicated and difficult way or a very simple way because a lot of the problem with trying to talk about this...
is trying to tie it down and pin it down to a specific thing so that the chronology people will argue about the chronology of ancient events like down to you know 10 years here or there and they'll say but really it doesn't matter the fact that there was an event An
extinction level event then, recorded in ancient texts.
The fact that that correlates to within a couple of thousand years with evidence of an extinction level event in the tree rings is really good enough, yeah?
There's like one extinction level event round about there and the general downturn and the sort of effects around the edges of it will spread out for hundreds, possibly thousands of years anyway.
So you've got a sort of like little hill of an extinction level there rather than one point.
And it's the same with the people.
So we would be talking about Celts and...
Well, the Welsh are cats.
The Welsh are Celts, right?
Right.
Okay, so their language they're saying is similar to Hebrew.
So there's beginning to sound to be some kind of through line in the relationship between those two peoples.
Right, but it depends what they mean by Celts, because that's another thing that I'm researching at the moment.
The Celt word is a very, very sort of vague and umbrella term and refers to lots of different things.
So it's kind of general.
But yes, basically.
And there are so many.
The closer you look into it, it's really annoying.
Because the closer you go into it, the more you look into it, the more detail there is.
But the less the detail is relevant.
Because you realise that, like with all the myths all over the world, Actually, basically referring to the same event.
So you have creation myths and flood myths, which seem to be different, but they all seem to be talking about the same thing.
Because if you think about it, if you go back beyond that one, like how are you going to go back beyond that?
If that's frazzled a lot of people's brains, then they're not going to be able to think back to the previous one.
So most of the stories are about the same thing.
Most of the stories are about the same people too.
But obviously, different people telling the stories at different times will give them different names.
And this causes really, really big confusion because people believe these names.
Because if you give something a name, like if you give a name to a disease, then it's a thing.
But generally speaking, the people have made the drugs first and then made up the disease, given it a name.
So it's a thing.
No, but it wasn't until they'd made the drug for it.
And it's a bit like that.
Right.
Okay, let me give you...
I'm not going to be able to stay on with you for much longer, and I know we even went over our time here, but this is so fascinating, and it's so fun to talk with you about it.
I just want to ask you one thing.
I'm looking at something that says possibly around 1300 BC, and then there's another day to 1400, and again, we don't know what they're talking about exactly, but they say Akhenaten, came to the fore in Egypt and so if Akhenaten came I know that I have some kind of link up you know a past life link up with Akhenaten and Nefertiti and the valley was called the Valley of Amarna I went visiting there with Carmen
Balta and it's decimated it looks like an atomic bomb was unleashed in that area and there's no sign or very little sign that Amarna ever exists in that place And I think that's fascinating as if it was intentional that they destroy it on purpose.
So, now I'm asking you, did he talk a little bit, because it is in the time period he seemed to be researching, did he get into any of that?
Well, yes, he does talk about Egypt and he talks about the chronology of Egypt in a very interesting way because people will date the Exodus and There's really complicated calculations that I've got in notes here, but I'm not going to go into it now.
The Exodus is commonly dated from the time of a certain pharaoh.
And the time of a certain pharaoh is not remotely verifiable.
It's worked out through astronomy.
But you find out, when you find out, if you go into it, you find out the astronomical calculations are wrong.
And so none of those dates, none of those Egyptian dates can actually be taken seriously.
And what he says is that lots of the stories which are attributed to ancient Egypt and those kingdoms didn't actually happen there, but they happened here.
And that Wales was actually ancient Egypt.
But that and sort of the southern part of the country at one point was what's regarded as Egypt but that when the history was moved over there well people did go over there and take the stories with them and so it's just been associated with those areas and the actual history of Egypt didn't belong until much later than people believe it to have begun Okay.
Now, did he journey to Egypt at all?
No.
No, he didn't.
Which is strange.
Yeah, it is, actually.
Because you would have thought that's kind of the kind of thing that might have fascinated him to be there in person.
In other words, did he go to the Middle East to look at any of these sites or any of this sort of thing?
Yes, he did.
And he does talk about the sites in Egypt.
Around Jerusalem, where, as I said, they don't join up, but if you superimpose them onto the area around Edinburgh, then they do.
And quite a lot of them are actually false, and the dates on them are given, like dates in Athens too, because he says the original Athens was in Scotland.
There are inscriptions But the inscriptions, actually, if they're checked, don't date back as far as they should.
And this is the case in Egypt, and the case in lots of classical sites.
We're led to believe that they're a lot older than they are.
Well, that is a strange thing to say, because in some ways, my understanding was that we're also led to believe they're a lot younger than they are.
Meaning the pyramid, the Sphinx, and so on.
Yes.
Yes, it goes that way too.
Yeah.
All right.
You're not supposed to know what's going on at all, are we?
No, I guess that's the whole point.
Okay, well, this has been fascinating and it's lovely to have you on the show.
I'd like to do this again sometime when you're ready.
Just before we leave, is there anything about the movie that you want to share with us of what's going on there, the development, what stage you're at, etc.?
Well, we have been held up a little bit because I keep breaking various parts of me.
I mean, first I broke my hand and now I've broken my thoughts.
I guess I must have needed a rest.
But we're currently, well we were planning to set up on our travels just when I broke my foot.
So that's been put back until the weather gets a bit better.
So we aren't going to be traveling around until the new year to any of the sights.
Except possibly York or Babylon.
And is this movie a documentary?
Yeah, that's the documentary.
Okay.
And is it being produced by a British team, an American team?
Can you say anything about the team producing it?
It's a British team, yeah.
I'm working with Mark Windows from Independent Films.
Okay.
Anything you would like to say about your website?
Give your website out, perhaps.
Anything you would like to say for the future?
Do you have an email address?
Would you like people to write to you, etc.?
Yeah, especially if anyone knows where that missing Commons Beaumont novel is.
The website is commonsbeaumontarchive.com or just commonsbeaumont.com.
Either of those.
We are busy updating it at the moment, so if there are any bits that aren't working properly, that will be sorted quite soon.
Because I'm busy putting up a lot of the old Commons Beaumont Society material at the moment.
Yeah, and you can get me at info at commonspaumont.com.
Okay, I'm putting that in the chat here, just for everyone.
All right, well, like I said, it's been fascinating.
I really appreciate having you on the show, and let's do this again in the future.
Oh, that's been really lovely, and I couldn't believe that we'd spent that long talking.
Went so quickly.
All right, well, you're a real trooper.
You know, with your injury, I'm sure that, you know...
The pain or whatever is going on is quite distracting.
So it was great.
So thank you again, and I'll let you go.
Okay, thank you.
That was really good fun.
Speak to you again.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
All right.
So now I just have to figure out how to close this down, and I think that's how you do it.
And so thanks, everyone, for listening.
Thank you.
I just want to say that I am trying to raise some funds to go interview William Tompkins, who is a fascinating new witness who's come out in the last year.
He's a whistleblower.
He has had extensive dealings with the Nordics, a certain group of Nordics.
His information parallels in many ways, the information that I've gotten over the last five interviews with Captain Mark Richards.
William Tompkins is in his, I believe his 90s at this point, so he is not going to be necessarily with us for much longer.
I am going to need some funds in order to travel overnight to the San Diego area and stay overnight with my cameraman and You know, basically try to shoot something in a hotel room.
We need a location, etc.
So any donations would be welcome.
And that's what we're looking at.
Michael Schrat, an aerospace historian, is going to be joining me on that interview.
We've worked very hard to get in contact with people behind the scenes who know William Tompkins and who have...
Being in discussions with him, trying to set this up.
So again, if you can help by contributing, that would be great.
On top of it, since my travel in the summer, we didn't make enough money in the conferences to cover my expenses.
So I have a backlog on my credit card.
Anyone who wants to help in that regard would be very welcome as well to help me get out of this sort of financial crisis.
Conundrum I'm in and also, you know, make it possible for me to pay my webmaster and our cameraman and our designer who does the banners that you see, the lovely banners.
So thanks again for watching and have a great weekend.
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