MARY RODWELL : THE NEW HUMAN - Hypnotherapist, Regressionist
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Hi, everyone. everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here tonight with Mary Rodwell and she is a fascinating person and someone I admire and have been following her work for quite some time.
She has written a new book.
It's called The New Human Awakening and I am going to be talking with her about that book as well as her work and her I believe over 3,000 cases that she has studied.
And she is a hypnotherapist, a regressionist.
And I'm going to look over her bio here and see if we can get sort of an overview.
She's got a lot of sort of illustrious credits here.
She's the founder and principal Australian Close Encounter Resource Network of the Close Encounter Resource Network, ACERN as it's called.
It was established in 1997 to provide professional counseling, support, hypnotherapy, and information to individuals and their families with anomalous paranormal experiences and abduction contact experiences.
Mary is also the director and chair of the Experiencer Support Programs for Dr.
Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters and an advisory member of ExoPolitics.
And let's see, she has organized inaugural, let's see, Hidden Truths International Conference It's held in Perth, Western Australia and that was in 2003.
She has researched more than 3,000 cases and suggests extraterrestrial encounters are a global phenomenon and it's evident that the new humans referred to as star children are here to actually change the global playing field in essence and Many of these children are known as indigos or crystal children.
They also have telepathic abilities.
They are spiritually awakened and there is often contact with non-human species as well.
And she suggests that these children are at times being altered and transformed on many levels through extraterrestrial encounters.
Some of the latest DNA research indicates how this upgrading may occur.
Such as ADHD, Asperger's and autism may also be linked to their awareness in, of course, non-physical realms, but also indicating that they may have some, in essence, upgrading that happened.
And we'll get into all of that.
I do want to say that she has also spoken publicly all around the world in Hong Kong, US, Canada, Hawaii, UK, Ireland, France, Malta, and New Zealand.
And she regularly appears in national and international media news programs on documentaries, And in Australia and elsewhere.
It looks like in the BBC as well.
And her bio is on my website for anyone who wants to read it in more detail.
So...
I am going to turn this over to Mary at this point and welcome Mary.
It's lovely to have you on the show and I'm really excited to have you here.
So can you tell us a bit more in detail about your own background and sort of how you see why you came into this field?
Thank you, Kerry, for that and thank you for inviting me as well.
It's always a pleasure Particularly because we're all doing our best to share as much information that we're understanding from this whole phenomena.
For me, I came into this almost as a sideways kind of, if you like, happening.
My background is as a former nurse midwife.
I trained as a professional counsellor over 30 years ago now.
And got involved in doing hypnosis, etc.
Working with people even at that point on a multi-level kind of way because the more that I've understood about human experience, the deeper you go, the more you see a bigger picture to our lives, for example.
So that was what I really brought in.
When the first gentleman that walked through my door said, Mary, you know, I've heard you're open-minded.
For this, there are no support groups.
For this, people just think you're crazy.
You're a loony.
And what was fascinating to me was that right away it was obvious this man was not just the only one in his family having experiences.
You know, he was...
He was its partner, the children.
He was waking up with marks on his body, shaved areas, this kind of thing.
So it was plainly obvious to me, not only because I could see he was authentic, I could see he was speaking from his truth, but this involved the whole family.
And when that happens, you have to really start taking this seriously, which is ultimately how I got drawn into this, because although I was doing advanced counseling at the time, I took his case, believe it or not, to the advanced counselling supervision, really waiting to see what other professionals might make of such an experience.
They could offer me no real understanding other than the fact that they all started to share other strange experiences that they'd had experienced that they couldn't explain, which said to me that This was, you know, something we all experienced in ways that we experienced multi-dimensional experiences, even if it wasn't what we see as encounters or abductions or contactee experience.
But we were all experiencing at some level or another things that we couldn't explain in 3D terms.
So that opened me up to the vast array of what paranormal means or multi-dimensional means.
And I came through the focus Of extraterrestrial encounters where, you know, ultimately within a year or two, I created a CERN and, you know, did support groups and what have you.
And without really expecting it to happen, I started to be asked by the media to talk about this.
So I came in sort of semi-reluctantly into this, more as just wanting to be a support, being a therapist first always.
But ultimately...
As this kind of experience does, for everyone who's touched by it, it opens you up to more of what does this mean?
What is it all about?
What does it mean for us as a species?
All those big questions that whether you're an experiencer or not an experiencer, you start to ask questions, just as I'm sure, Kerry, you have done, you know, and all of us have done either through the experience or through our own multi-dimensional experiences.
Oh, certainly.
Well, I am interested, you know, I traveled to Australia and I am curious in your own way, just along those lines.
Certainly, what we end up finding out is that all of us have our own experiences, as you're saying.
Some people are able to label them as ET contact, and some people see the beings, some do not, but some have marks on their body, etc., etc.
Others, I think it's more subtle.
I was wondering, in terms of your own experiences, did you have any of your own personal experiences, and did that spur you on, or did they start later, or how did that all transpire?
And it's a very good question, Kerry, because once you start working in this field, you're looking at all the indicators of the classic, what I call, Whitby-Strober communion type experience to the broader range that I have now discovered through my own research and research on our surveys,
our in-depth surveys, that only about 30% of those that have filled in the surveys, which have been 2,000 to 3,000 individuals, for example, I've had what they would call an abduction or what they would call as a negative kind of interaction.
The rest have been a lot more subtle.
They always felt and known that they were different in some way.
They always felt connected to other intelligences, whether you call them the star visitors or non-human intelligences.
Many of those would be very clairvoyant, mediumistic, and would see spirits, would be seeing energies, and would be experiencing the multidimensional side, but not necessarily putting them in the box of extraterrestrial.
Getting back to my own experience, I developed more of my multidimensional abilities because I was very interested in metaphysics, I was interested in meditation, I was interested in past lives that people experienced through regressions,
and so it expanded my awareness from that to the point where I learned about energetic healing and energy work and how to connect to those other realms and how to translate and understand those kinds of communications because I ended up being trained to do that through a group of professionals and from that it was not much of a step to realize that for some of us the way that we connect to our multi-dimensional selves may not be quite
obviously an extraterrestrial experience but may be through our guides Or through the spiritual realm, as many psychics and clairvoyants do.
And they will then notice, and many have come to me that were spiritualists and say, look, Mary, it's fine in my group to talk about angels and fairies and spirit guides, but for goodness sake, don't mention a bald-headed guy with black eyes.
That happens to be one of my guides or a blue being that happens to be one of my guides and it became more obvious to me that this was all connected, that there was no separation.
It's just that depending on our core beliefs, depending on how we choose to perceive our reality will be how we interpret our experiences.
For me, I felt that I have had those kinds of communications with what I call my non-human team who give me insights that help me to understand things.
And I believe this is not something majorly a gift, a major gift for any of us.
I believe we are all able to tap into the multidimensional realm because we are multidimensional in nature.
It's just that 3D programming and conditioning, if you like, conditions us out of our multi-dimensional reality or does not make it okay to connect in that way let's face it you know modern psychology is really saying to you that if you hear voices there's something wrong with you but actually that's our connection to our higher knowing our subconscious awareness and the sense that we are part of the matrix that is allowing us if we are receptive to it to connect
to that kind of information we may get Responses through our body energy.
You know, you get this buzz going through your body when you're tapping into something very profound.
And many of us have found ourselves saying something really beautiful and deep and not quite knowing where it came from.
That's just another way we tap into that.
So my experience is more from a more subtle perspective.
Kind of expansion of my abilities as, you know, doing healing and metaphysics and meditation, where I've connected to what I call my non-physical team, to others that have what I call a more dramatic way of waking up, such as the shamanic way, kundalini awakening, for example, or near-death experience, or a profound grief experience may be the catalyst.
I call the modern, you know, the UFO... Seeing the craft and having your awakening that way as the modern shamanic way of waking up that we are having it to fit in with modern day technology that in this way now it's maybe sighting a UFO or seeing the beings coming into the room that ultimately shifts the way that you understand your reality and makes it very,
very tangible that you are having interactions with different intelligences however you choose to interpret them.
Absolutely.
I wonder if you have ever seen a UFO. I know it's a rather prosaic question, but I think people do wonder, you know, I see craft and some people do and some don't.
Are you one of the people that do or don't?
I have seen.
I have seen and taken video footage of UFOs and I've also had some unusual experiences in the sense when I went to Tepeslan in Mexico Where Carlos Dias saw all the light ships, and I did a meditation with a group of people.
One of them was actually filming the meditation.
It was a really black night in this field, very close to, as I say, where Carlos Dias saw the light ships.
And in this meditation, there's only about seven of us.
And I remember in the meditation just being quiet, and it didn't seem to be very long.
But what was fascinating to me was I got quite frustrated because suddenly there was this huge bright light in the center of us as we were standing in a circle.
And I remember thinking that the guy that was filming it, he was getting beyond his station and he shouldn't be taking the camera to the center of us at all because I thought it was the light with the camera.
And he was just invading our space.
And also...
There were other things that happened, but only three of us saw the light and didn't know what was going on, and when we saw where the cameraman was, he was the other end of the field terrified because he said there was this whole mist that came around us, and it's so terrifying, and he wasn't filming at all.
So there was things like that that happened, and you say, so okay, so what happened there, for example?
So there have been a lot of anomalous things happen Tell me that I'm having things go on on other levels.
And for me, insight comes down the track on what was going on there.
But only three of us saw this bright light coming.
Fascinating.
So something happened, for sure.
And certainly, I don't think any of us are in this field without it being relevant, bluntly.
So if you're involved in this, there's a reason why you're involved, even if you don't have any Conscious recall of it and you know all I can say is several people reckon they see me up there and not necessarily looking the way I do now but having been recognizing for whatever my energy or whatever so I think this is relevant to the planet to relevant to human consciousness and it's relevant to all of us however you know it depends on how open we are to exploring it I suspect is where the limit is.
Absolutely.
Well, I do want to ask you because you actually are in Australia and Australia is a very fascinating place with a very long history.
Certainly the Aborigine people as well as I have visited there and been told that there are these rock carvings that go back possibly the earliest ever and I've always been curious about Ayers Rock And a variety of other places.
Of course, we know Pine Gap is there and so on and so forth.
What I want to ask you is, as an Australian, have you been to some of these enigmatic places and have you been able to have experiences there as well?
Has any knowledge come to you in terms of the place?
Because I'm very interested in places that have vortexes and energies and so on.
So have you ever had those kinds of experiences as a group or on your own?
It's a good question, and I have been to some of them.
I've certainly been to Ezra, which we call Uluru, which is what the Aboriginists call it, and I had the great blessing of meeting one of the ones that is part of the song lines of one of the owners of Uluru who invited me to be with him and his family just outside Uluru itself for a whole evening where he played music and To me,
that was one of the wonderful gifts of connecting with the Aboriginal culture.
Of course, they know about the star beings.
They talk about the star beings and the wangina and the mumu, which they say are what we call the mantid or the more insect-like beings, for example.
When I went the first time to Uluru, I was It was mentioned to me by an experiencer that there are dimensional beings in Uluru itself, that there is a portal.
There are many portals around as well.
What a lot of people don't know is that Tutankhamen's gold actually came from Gympie, which is three hours drive south of central Queensland.
So the pharaohs, at least two pharaohs, visited Australia and took the wisdom From the ancients and the aborigines from here back to Egypt.
And a lot of people don't realise that there's a lot of connections to Egypt here with hieroglyphs, for example, and the Gosford hieroglyphs are another one that are there.
I mean, the government doesn't make a big thing of this.
They don't try and honour that side of our ancient history here for many different reasons.
As we well know, we're often not told the truth.
But I think Australia is an extremely special place.
And there is no doubt in my mind that there is, you know, in terms of it's supposed to be connected to Lemuria as one of the parts of Lemuria in ancient times as well.
But certainly the Aborigines and their understanding of the star beings and their connection to them where they've been shown and say that they've been shown where sacred sites are, where portals are, And, you know, even where to go when they go walkabout to where they'll find water and what have you as well.
So they've got a very close and deep connection to many of the, you know, the visitors, as we say.
And they're also aware that they're part of that, just as the Maori do in New Zealand as well, who say they come from the stars.
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah, that's wonderful to hear.
So I'm wondering now, just to make a bit of a transition here, I know you have a new book out, and I've got a wonderful review here that I just want to...
Read a bit of it because I thought it was a very nice review.
You sent it to me and It says that if you don't mind it says Mary Rodwell is a longtime expert of the expansive and emerging ET phenomena has written a stunning masterpiece and that boldly synthesizes a huge array of extraordinary experiences and DNA decoding,
hybrid children, parallel universes, soul connections, time machines, teleportation, pyramid technology, Mars bases, AI, off planet agendas, and many other fascinating subjects are amazingly sourced from first-hand contact experiences.
The new human takes you on an adventurous ride down the rabbit hole and is destined to rock the planet.
And, um, that, that's a lovely, uh, uh, well, shout out for your own book.
And I think gives the listeners at least an idea of where you are going in the book.
But I'd like you to sort of augment that with your own description of your book, uh, why you set out to write this book.
I think you've written, uh, I don't have the titles of the others, but I know you've written at least one other book.
And, um, And what was motivating you to actually write this book with the very interesting title that you have?
Thank you.
The first book was Awakening.
That was a resource book for people opening up to the experience.
But I've been asked many times, when's the next book coming out?
And there is so much rich material out there that is giving us a far more broader perspective on, you know, away from the nuts and bolts of ufology, which has been You know, dominating the whole UFO field for so long.
And what has been avoided, as you well know, is all the other information that's coming in simply because it was harder to quantify.
Now, my thoughts were, especially as I'm involved now with the foundation for research into extraterrestrial encounters, which really is a term that is really exploring however it is experienced, whether someone believes they're a hybrid, you know, they're a walk-in, or however they've experienced it, star seed or whatever.
What I was seeing is that what's not being acknowledged is this extra That understanding that to me is vital in how we can understand this phenomenon, what it means to us as a species.
Because ultimately, the bright lights in the sky are great, but we have to take it to that next step.
Why are they visiting?
Why are they here?
What is their interest?
And what are the agendas or programs, which I think are multi-complex anyway?
So one of the things that was profound for me is the families getting in touch with me, you know, with their children.
And the children, many of them under 10, 5, 6, 7 years old, talking about being taken to be shown black holes, taken back to their planet of origin, being shown genetic engineering.
I mean, these are complex subjects and information from children that shouldn't really, at that age, know very much about any of this because they don't watch talk shows, they don't read books on physics, for example.
But on the craft, they're taught Complex subjects.
They describe to me how, you know, they may be sitting in a room on a craft with other beings, including human children, but other children that weren't quite human, where they just looked different, where they would be doing things with their mind, with their third eye, where they would be manipulating matter.
As one little girl of eight told me, she was shown when she was taken to her planet where she came from.
And was shown what she needed to do was to fly or to levitate, as well as being shown how to use her third eye and how she believes one of her talents is the elements, which she said, I can control elements like the wind and clouds, for example.
Now, what do you do with that?
The parents are saying, oh, my goodness, you know, what do I make of what my child is telling me?
And yet they know that the child When a child confabulates or shows imagination or whatever, it is completely different.
When I've had a seven-year-old literally decode a complex geometric drawing that his mother had just quite casually said, what do you think of these pretty coloured pictures?
And the first thing this seven-year-old says, well, they're from the aliens.
And this is showing portals and how the craft come in through the pyramids and through the portals on this planet and going into complex detail.
A seven-year-old literally decoding some artwork that's from another experience that he's never seen or met before.
And the parents are really clear.
They're saying, look, we don't front load the children.
We just are interested to see their reaction because usually the parents, of course, are aware of their own experiences.
So I got fascinated to encapsulate that.
I got fascinated with what the children knew because I know that they don't watch the talk shows and read the books on this.
And from that, the families and their intergenerational myths and how the children or each generation appear to be an upgrade of the previous one, for example, and their conscious recalls.
Because all of this from the children is not hypnosis.
This is conscious recall of not just this lifetime and why they're here, but why they've come here, their connection to the star beings, their connection to other planets, and what have you.
So my book started out with saying, well, this is the children here.
These haven't been front-loaded.
This is from their conscious recall, and from that I literally, and I didn't censor the information that they told me.
I talked to many of them over Skype.
In fact, one young man said to me, I was talking to his father in the US, and I said to him, the nine-year-old said, Mary, I'd like to talk to you.
And I found this quite unusual.
And I said, so, okay, so why do you feel you need to talk to me?
He said, well, it's actually because of your frequency.
He proceeded to tell me he was from Orion, that he was trained as a light physicist working in time travel technology, and that he'd come to this planet with this information.
Which he, you know, he knows.
He said, the problem is the scientists here are very backward.
And my problem is actually translating that in information that they would understand.
He said, the nearest to what they would understand is Tesla.
And he said, and Tesla is a very, you know, is a baseline for me.
Now, this is a nine-year-old explaining his problems in being on a planet, which is so backward, and how he wanted to connect with me because of, not because I looked a friendly old and middle-aged lady, but because of my frequency.
This is the language the children use.
This is the information they're coming out with.
How can you not put that down?
How can you not put that in and let people see because I'm getting more and more information from families with children, children who are struggling in the educational system because it makes no sense to them when you've got, you know, a nine-year-old telling me that when she's in the classroom and she's being shown information by the teacher and it's wrong.
And she's being told by the being that's standing by her that she can see, that's saying, don't listen to that, it's inaccurate.
This is the correct information.
Yeah, fabulous.
You know, how can you not write about that, Kerry?
Right, absolutely.
It's like, you know, I've been told by a nine-year-old about, you know, the underground bases who told me about the, you know, the The way that they were trying to affect his consciousness by taking him there and how he transcended that by keeping his frequency at a higher frequency so that they couldn't put stuff in his head that was inaccurate.
I mean, they're aware of it.
They're aware of how we're being controlled and what have you.
And these are kids of eight and nine years old.
You know, how can they know about this kind of information?
You know, what's on Mars?
What's on Earth?
Two seven- and eight-year-old girls, both of them in different parts of the US, talking about going on craft, being taken and shown Mars and seeing the domes on Mars and what they're taught on Mars.
And actually recognizing the same symbols that I'd sent independently from one that had seen it on the craft to another one saying, has your daughter seen this one?
And the daughter saying, yes, I have, and it means this.
Having no contact, this kind of information, the verification from one to another, this expanded into the teenagers that were contacting me, telling me how they understood where they were from, how they understood their role here.
Like a 17-year-old I write about, Antonio, and he explains that he's come as an ecological engineer to assist this planet, to create...
If you like, places in the environment that are in harmony with the environment.
And he calls himself, you know, an ambassador from Arcturus.
I mean, this is, you know, essentially playing little video games and looking at pretty girls in bikinis, you know, and he's talking and speaking, by the way, Arcturian.
Right.
So, you know, this book is, I know, I'm going to really challenge many in ufology.
They're not going to like it because of the fact that I am taking it into the broader perspective.
And I'm going right into the other ways I encountered experience, including people who've had continuous out-of-body experiences, what it's like out-of-body, how they see the reality there.
I've got an MD coming out of the space closet who had an activation when she was in India.
After a profound experience and now works multidimensionally in activating, if you like, DNA. And she's coming out literally and saying, this is who I am.
I was a 3D medical doctor.
Now I work on a completely different level.
I've got a couple of molecular biologists coming out.
I've got a minister, a Christian minister of 40 years, finally saying, I've had ET experiences.
I've had past life experiences.
My concept of God is not the concept of God that I have been talking about for how many years.
This is my true understanding of God.
So I've got a God chapter in there because we need to understand that the religions are, you know, are they supporting people with this experience or not?
And some certainly are not, and creating a lot of fear.
So I haven't, I suppose what I've done, Kerry, is I've decided that if I'm going to put this in there, it has to be uncensored.
It has to be their stories.
It's not for me to judge the material.
All I want people to do is to see for themselves what's being said and make up their own mind whether this resonates or not.
Because I think this whole truth embargo, this whole business of being afraid to put stuff out in case in some way someone judges it in this way or that way, look, judge it how you may.
This is their experiences.
This is their story.
I am there to repeat exactly what they're telling me.
And I'm leaving it to whoever reads it to make up their own mind how they want to understand or judge it.
Excellent.
Well, that's fabulous.
And I know that that will certainly resonate with my audience out there.
And I am wondering whether or not you have...
A copy of the book on hand to show us?
Because I don't have actually, I don't think I have a picture of it.
So the book cover, perhaps I can look for it as well.
I'd like to show it at some point, and I should have thought of that ahead of time, but it just occurs to me now.
But along those lines, and obviously you are a person who is Talking to children, I imagine worldwide, although it would be interesting to hear you say also to their parents, but do you have a concentration of certain people that you are reaching, say, in Australia?
Are most of your interviews, for example, done in person or on Skype?
Or is it a variety?
And then if you have any anecdotes, any, you know, small sort of pictures of, you know, characters that you have come across who their stories might be particularly compelling to the audience, feel free to share those.
Thank you.
Look, what amazes me is that the...
The global aspect to this is when I'm getting emails from Africa, South America, Europe, for example, Russia, or whatever, given the fact that this is a second language to many of them as well.
But they're writing me from all over Turkey, where they say, look, my daughter is And she's been having this experience and talking about the new earth or whatever.
So they're managing to resort in another language, my information from wherever, YouTube or whatever.
And sometimes I talk to the child on Skype.
Sometimes the child's been brought to see me.
If it's in Australia, they'll come to my offices or whatever.
And so I have a real sense then, particularly if I have that kind of interaction of where they're coming from.
And you would be amazed at the response that sometimes I find that still amazed me.
One of them was, I think people will find interesting and why, you know, I've always found the expressions of contact very, very important.
Because when people say, well, how do you know it's a reality?
You don't start doing strange artwork, you know, coming out with unusual scripts and hieroglyphs or unusual languages that Are spontaneous to you once you reach a certain level of awareness without something being the instigator or the catalyst for that.
And this has been an area that I've been particularly interested in because I've wanted to understand why do they do that?
Why do they suddenly manifest complex artwork or whatever, which many of them tell me, and I've got this in the book from some of the children who are artists, that it's a way of actually Acting as a catalyst or a trigger for consciousness.
As one young man told me, his artwork is about showing and activating the awareness of dimensions, and that's why he does the artwork that he does, that he downloads, for example.
And how the children talk about one, I talk about an 11-year-old who actually knows when the beings come to him to play certain frequencies on the piano, and he knows when it's not him.
Because his hands don't get tired and afterwards he feels very sleepy.
And he said, and these are the good ones, he said.
And one of the titles he gets given, and he gets given the names of the songs, as he calls them, and one of them is called Decoding DNA. And then he plays this particular frequency, this particular song that he's given.
So these children are bringing in this kind of information.
And I call them the decoders.
There's...
One particularly, a young lady that lives in Queensland, her mother wrote to me and said, Mary, in your book Awaiting, there's a script by Tracy Taylor.
I was just reading the book, and my daughter looked at the script and said, I can read that.
And she proceeded to read it to me.
So I asked whether I could talk to her daughter, who I think at the time was seven or eight, if I remember correctly.
And a beautiful, confident young lady who, quite happily talking to This strange lady over Skype.
And I said to her, you mentioned to your mum you could read this particular strange writing.
Oh yes, she said.
So I said, well, could you read it to me?
Oh yes.
So I said, okay.
She says, do you want it in the language or do you want it in English?
So I said, well, could you do both?
Oh yes.
So she proceeded to articulate in the language.
She then translated it into English.
And then I said to her, Do you know where it comes from?
Do you know the source of that information?
She said, oh yes, that's from the graves.
Now this young lady I met a couple of months later in a group with her mother and her sisters and some other experiences.
And I had a book of a lot of the scripts that I'm being sent from all over the world where people find themselves doing strange writing, strange script, different kinds of hieroglyphs, which to me are fascinating.
And that's part of What draws me into this is the mystery of it.
What is this for?
What is it about?
And this little lassie, she's again only still the same age.
And I said to her, is there anything in this book that you can read?
And she went through and she was dismissing some.
She said, I can't read those, but I can read this one.
And you could see when she was reading it, that she was reading it almost in a diagonal.
But you could see that as she was looking at it, she was translating it.
And she said, again, the same thing.
Do you want it in English?
Or do you want me to say it in the language, in English?
And I said, can you do both again?
She said yes.
So in front of us, in front of the adults and the other children, she reads it in the language.
She translates it into English.
And then I said to her, where do you think or feel that comes from?
She said, well, that's the greys and the mounted beans.
So this is a separate role that is spontaneously, without any problem whatsoever...
Knowing what she can read and decode and knowing what she couldn't.
How can you not be intrigued by this?
How can you not want to know what this means?
And this is where I get frustrated with the old way of looking at our interactions with these intelligences from this still trying to prove that that was a real craft and was that photoshopped or whatever when we're having this shift in awareness and consciousness that's in front of us.
We've got small children Talking about going on craft, talking about energy fields, talking about what they're learning.
And the adults saying, what do I do with this?
And the children saying and teenagers saying to me, the schools are useless.
They're teaching inaccurate information.
We know that it's not true.
We don't want to go.
Yeah, that's a huge problem, I imagine, and that is going to become even more striking as these years go on.
In other words, with people starting to realize that more and more, especially their children, because if children can't It's very troubling because you've got a young developing mind.
You want to do something to encourage this.
It's fascinating.
Yes, absolutely.
I don't know how you would feel about this, but I have a feeling that this actually has not just started recently, but that actually it's been going on a long time.
I know I was like...
An unusual child.
And I know that other people that I've met were unusual children.
And no doubt we sort of ended up in this field, as you call it.
But, you know, I'm thinking that this earth has also, in other words, been visited by people who immediately were told to kind of clamp down and shut up that part of themselves.
And that Maybe these new children are also, in a certain way, making it okay for those older people that have kind of shut down their skills to reopening them.
And I'm wondering if you're seeing any of this going on.
Oh look, I agree totally with your overview there, Kerry.
Really, you know, these new, more aware individuals, whether we call them starseeds or new waves of evolutionary souls coming in, have been coming in for a long time.
The only thing was that they've been the ones creating, if you like, the bridge to the new multidimensional awareness and acceptance of that awareness.
And one of the most profound, one of the places that I went to Last year was Scandinavia and I did Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
And one of the things that was quite disturbing for me was how difficult it was for anyone in those countries, as they told me, to even mention that you had experiences there because it's so 3D, left brain scientifically orientated that it's almost more preferable to be a sex deviant than it is to be an experiencer.
And this became very clear when I was in Norway I was a bit concerned about my material because I take this extra leap into this whole panorama of multi-dimensional experiences and I was a bit concerned about talking about the style languages and the psychic ability and the awareness of what I see us as human beings now becoming more comfortable and conscious of.
And a lady came up to me after the presentation.
She said to me, I'm 79 years old.
And she said, and you are the first person to ever mention something that I've been experiencing all my life.
She said, right from when I was a small child, I always felt different.
And I've been married to a farmer and I could call the sheep in with my mind and nobody knew how I did it.
And she said, but the hardest thing for me is I just thought it was me.
I thought there was something wrong with me.
And for the first time now I've realized there isn't just me having these experiences.
So I know there are those 70, 80, maybe even 90 that have had these experiences but not been in an environment where they've been able to own it.
When I was in Stockholm and I was talking to a small group there, a young man about 28 years old came to me and he said, Mary, I found myself spontaneously speaking a star language with my friends and my friends called the police and I ended up in hospital.
So this is terrifying, isn't it?
Yes, absolutely.
Well, you know, I myself experienced some things of that nature when I was young.
And I can say that, you know, I had friends that made fun of me in this way.
And so I did learn to quite, you know, be very quiet about that side of my life.
And maybe that propelled me to do the interviews as opposed to being the one interviewed, which is always an interesting dynamic.
But at the same time, I think that What I'm seeing now because I'm in Camelot, so many people approach me all of the time, you know, and a lot of them say to me that they, strangely, that there's no one else they can talk to.
Even now, you know, and it's lovely and refreshing, of course, to hear about your approach and the way, you know, you're so open about all of this.
And I think that we are opening up.
I think the world is opening up to these experiences and so on.
But at the same time, there are a lot of people who feel that there's no one they can talk to in their neighborhood, in their school.
Friends may make fun or be alienated by them.
I know what's going to happen after the show.
You are going to be barraged by people who saw the show and would like your help, would like to make contact, etc.
I wonder if you can address, if you have a network of people that do the same job you do, You know, regression therapists, etc., etc., or how you deal with a sort of a barrage, because I imagine, just based on listening to you, that you might also be inundated yourself with requests around the world, and how does one deal with all of this?
You know, there's only a few of us out there sort of in the limelight, if you want to call it that, And so I was just wondering, you know, let's be forearmed about this and if there's anything you could talk about, what you would say to someone who's asking for your help at this time.
And again, Kerry, it is, you know, I'm still amazed at how YouTube gets to The globe even now and where people, you know, contact me from Slovenia or Slovakia or Yugoslavia or wherever.
But what I do initially is, depending on where they are, if I've got contacts in those countries and it's possible to do a buddy network or whatever, I try as much as possible to do that.
But with the new organisation of Freeba, that mandate as being co-chair of the experience support is that what we're doing is apart from translating all the surveys that we're doing which you know are we're into our third more in-depth survey so far two to three thousand individuals what we're doing with that is that we now have in place coordinators that can respond to any of the questions or the need for support whether or not it's just a listening ear where they want
someone like themselves to talk to or whatever And I'd ask anyone who would like to volunteer to be in touch with the free organization because that's the plan.
I've always known that I couldn't do it on my own with the CERN. I needed to have a format with help where we could not only create A professional face to mainstream, which is what we're doing with the free organization.
I mean, you know, in our directors, we've got scientists, we've got academics.
You know, the two running the surveys is Dr.
Bob Davis, who's a neuroscientist, and Dr.
John Klimo, who's a former professor of psychology and parapsychology, creating the questions that are giving us incredibly, incredible information now that is turning ufology on its head.
Because we've never had such, you know, this taken this seriously with the right credentials so that we can make this acceptable to mainstream.
The whole plan is to see and create, if you like, an environment which, you know, can be seen as credible by mainstream through the individuals that are involved with it.
I mean, most of the directors have PhDs, for example, either in science, physics or in psychology or whatever.
So it's going to be very hard to dismiss that kind of backup.
But what we plan then is, from that format, is actually creating an environment where people can know.
And all of this is anonymous.
Nobody has to disclose anything personal.
This is not what we're after.
We're after understanding the immensity and the complex nature of what is our non-physical universe, which, you know, Dr Rudy Shield, as the astrophysicist, talks about the quantum hologram.
Showing how science can start to explain this experience in a way that we can draw in mainstream to understand that this is credible, that we actually can start to understand it now through the new science and what have you.
In my book, you know, in the conclusion, I call what we live in as a reality dysfunction, that we are not, we're going around with one eye thinking that's reality, the 3D world, when in fact we're multidimensional.
And so we need a new psychology, but we're not going to be able to, you know, get that explored in terms of human consciousness until we have the tools and the information that we can present to mainstream to change it.
So we're talking about standing between two realities and creating the bridge that will finally allow us to be and own who we really are and what we're experiencing.
Because this is human consciousness.
This is However we experience it, whether we think we're a hybrid or we're walking or we've had our experiences from new death experiences, a shamanic wake-up call or Kundalini awakening, all of this means that really what we're doing then is being able to access more consciously our multidimensional nature and the realities of our multidimensional abilities, if you like.
And this is what the children are telling us.
Individuals like yourself that have experienced all of this, but having to be really cautious about exploring this.
And the drive for me with this, more than anything, Kerry, is saying to people, go to the free site, you know, experiencer.org.
Go and fill in the surveys.
Help us to understand more of what you're experiencing.
And we're translating this into other languages so that, you know, we've already got it in, I think, four languages now.
We're trying to make this global work.
So we can finally have something where we can explain to people.
This is what people experience.
85% have seen themselves transformed from this experience.
This is 2,000 to 3,000 individuals that say it's been transformative for me.
I would never go back to how I was before, for example.
You know, this isn't fear and, you know, the nasty beings here.
This was transformative.
And I now see the world in a completely different way.
And I wouldn't change any of it.
You know, many of them are admitting to having past lives, having healing on the cross, for example, 40 to 50% about healing, either themselves or their family.
This is not being looked at in mainstream ufology and whatever.
It's all too esoteric.
It's a little bit too etheric for this.
And yet, how are we going to understand it until we start to find the tools to understand how it's changing people?
So this is what FREE is doing.
It's providing a format where people can start to open up, share their experiences in however depth or whatever depth they choose to, without any judgment.
So we can start saying, these are some of the things that we're finding with this.
You know, 36% have had near-death experiences as a wake-up call.
80% have experienced out-of-body experiences.
44% have met an AT during an out-of-body experiences.
You know, 75% have seen spirits and ghosts.
And 85% have undergone major positive transformation.
You know, and we're talking about even soul swapping.
You know, we're really going into the esoteric here, where, you know, I think it's 15% of experience going into another form during their experience, whether it's an ET form or an energy form or whatever, and then coming back to their human container.
it's actually getting us to look at the properties of what our spirit soul energy consciousness whatever that is can do and we can't limit it to say well we're only going to look at it through this perspective or this we have to embrace it as a conscious as human consciousness and all of this is being experienced but how many people talk about it can't talk about that you know when you have an eight-year-old like i have who said to me mary when i go up on the cross
sometime i evaporate into my into the mantid form because that's my family and i will go and be a mantid when i leave here when i die And then I said to him, how does that feel?
He said, well, it's a bit strange.
But then I come back into my human form again.
Now, this is an eight-year-old talking about soul swapping.
Absolutely.
There's no doubt about it.
Well, I wonder, you know, there are a lot of people that are aware of Edgar Mitchell and FREE, as the acronym goes, and please say again what it stands for, but can you talk a little bit about your interaction?
You know, many people will know that Edgar Mitchell has passed on.
He was, I'm imagining to some degree, the inspiration for this Although I don't know that and I wonder if you can talk a little bit about your relationship working with him because I think you worked with him for quite a long time and his thoughts about all of this a bit.
Well I haven't had any personal interaction with him but obviously he knew about the initial how free became if you like was through a series of synchronicities and one of them was through Ray Hernandez who Who's a lawyer that was basically, didn't have any really beliefs in anything, although he's with a lady who is a Catholic lady.
And it was through an experience of a huge craft coming over the top of his house one time, where he had a very, very sick dog, and his energy being came and basically healed the dog.
It changed him From that moment, he started to have downloads.
He started to get information about physics.
He contacted me.
And from that, I introduced him to Dr.
Rudy Shield, who is a colleague and friend of mine who I'd met several years before, who speaks quite candidly about his understanding of how we, if you like, interact with the matrix or the hologram.
And from Dr.
Rudy Shield's connection, that's how we connected with Dr.
Reagan Mitchell.
And Ray went to see him numerous times.
And just before he passed on, he agreed to lend his name to the organization because he realized that the foundation for research into extraterrestrial encounters was really inclusive of the way that we experience reality.
And he's always been a proponent of consciousness and understanding consciousness and the reality of the fact that we are being visited.
And he's made no bones about that.
Throughout his life, an amazing gentleman.
Apparently he was more aware of me than I was aware of.
Obviously, maybe some of my information resonated or whatever, and I am just really in awe of the fact that this wonderful gentleman, this wonderful soul, was prepared ultimately to assist free in the way that he's done so.
And I need to be clear, although it's as extraterrestrial encounters, that's a way in for many people, but in fact, Encounters happen through many different levels, and you may see them as spirit guides to start with.
You may see them as angels, as one eight-year-old told me her fairies visit her.
And I said to her, so what do your fairies look like?
She said, well, a bit like us, she said, but I know they're fairies, and they take me to where I used to live and describe what the fairies showed her about genetic engineering, how they work with different species, including plants and animals, but humans.
And showing her how they work with the DNA and modification.
Remember, she's eight years old, talks about the fairies in the classroom sometimes that no one else can see.
And I said, do you ever talk about it to the other children?
Oh, no, she said, because they wouldn't understand.
And so she's fully aware that they wouldn't understand.
And this is what's going on in our schools.
There are children there that are having all of this go on.
But the sad thing is that many of them think There's something wrong with them and when I spoke to this eight-year-old who came to my office with his mum and he was very nervous.
He didn't know how safe it was going to be and finally he starts to calm down and he tells me about his experiences and he then looks at me and I still, it's heartbreaking when I remember what he said to me.
So he said, so he said, you don't think I'm crazy.
So this is a little eight-year-old questioning his sanity.
Yes.
Oh, just, yeah, very heartbreaking.
Incredible stuff.
Well, I mean, at the moment, I think a lot of people are going to ask this question, so I'm going to ask it for them.
I think they would like to know what kind of beings you're coming across when you're You've done 3,000 case studies.
So can you talk about the kinds of beings that you're coming across, that people that you're interviewing are talking about, maybe you yourself have seen, including the light beings of various types and energy beings, etc., etc.
In other words, kind of the gamut, if you can kind of run through that, And then I'd like to know how you have sort of, if you've done some kind of evaluation of what are, in essence, what we call service to self versus service to others and how this is manifested and so on.
Great question.
One of the things that we have discovered by doing the free surveys, and the first was 600 questions or something, so they're very in-depth.
was that 50% of people saw humanoids, not the greys, not all the other different types at all.
They went further down the list between 20 and 30%, which of course turns ufology on its head, which you're always saying the only ones you see are the greys or the reptilians or whatever it is.
So that's the first thing that we're discovering is 50% see humanoids of different types.
Blue, all different colours, for example.
Then you've got the different types of light beings, energy beings.
For example, as one young lady told me who's in my book, she writes about being shown the container of the energy being.
And one day when she was ready, she saw the being without its container, just as light, just as light consciousness.
So the other thing I'm very aware of is that they can present themselves however they choose to present themselves.
And some of them, I suspect, are definitely holographic in nature, but there are other Different forms of mantid beings with different frequencies depending, it seems to be, on the hierarchy that they have or different roles that they have, for example.
So with the mantid or ant-like beings, you've got, of course, the different types of reptilians and dracos and whatever that many people are aware of as well.
With that, there are crystalline beings.
There are some that literally are, you know, what we would call just energy, for example.
Plant-like intelligences.
This young lady, Lee, has drawn many different types of, you know, everything from what you would see almost on Star Trek to, and I suspect there's a very good reason why we see a lot of these different beings on these sci-fi shows, which I think are being fed to them anyway.
So I would definitely look twice at some of the beings that you see there from, you know, Bigfoot-type beings, for example, It seems that we are in galaxies of intelligence with many, many different forms, some of them feline beings, lion beings, a lot relate to the feline beings and feel that they were feline beings in other life.
One of the young men that I spoke to that says he's from Andromeda, his mother in that life was blue-skinned.
One of the young ladies that I spoke to, where she said that one of her, she drew what she looked like as Nizoni, which is purple-skinned humanoid being, for example.
And she says that whenever she travels astrally or goes out of body, she takes that form because it's one that she's very comfortable with.
It seems like we connect to certain origins more than another because, you know, many of the children talk about how many lifetimes they've had on Earth.
Or how many lifetimes they've had on other planets, in other forms, in other dimensions, which is, you know, part of this multidimensional aspect of the soul and what it chooses, and it chooses its form.
So what I suppose I'm saying here is almost anything you can imagine they can be.
But what I do think they do is, depending on your receptiveness, how far you are awakened, will depend on how they may show you or what form they may show you.
Because for many, you know, they said, you're not ready to see me the way I really am yet because it's too different or it's too confronting or whatever.
So, you know, even though we're shown these forms We also know there are screens as well, so we can't always say, well, they look exactly like this, because in fact, that may be what they choose you to see at that point, because you may not be ready to see a form that perhaps is hugely different to what we are.
And that's the interesting thing, too, is they'll describe themselves looking as very strange.
Even dog-like beings, this eight-year-old told me she went onto a planet, and the beings were quite dog-like.
And they communicated with and were showing a planet to her that had an energy field around it.
And she was able to interact with that energy field.
But they were dog-like beings.
And she said, you know, they look like dogs, although they had a kind of humanoid form.
So basically, whatever you could possibly imagine, probably, is the kinds of life forms that are out there and more so that we can't even imagine, perhaps, as well.
Okay, wonderful.
Now, someone is saying there is an echo on the stream, so I guess I need to wait and ask the people who are listening whether that's the case.
So if anyone listening, and we have quite a large chat room here, please let me know how the audio is for everyone, if we could get more than one person to Feedback, what kind of audio you're getting and whether you have any kind of echo.
I've not seen any problems while I've been looking here, but I do have one person who did say that, and we do want to be very careful of that.
Okay, so making sure, no echo.
Okay, audio is good.
All right, well then, I'm going to continue as we are and hope that we don't have an echo.
Okay, excellent.
So at this moment, we've been going for a while and what I want to do is give people a chance to ask you questions.
So if that's okay with you, I'm going to look into the chat and see what we have here.
So I think they seem to be coming pretty fast and furious.
Someone works with alternative education.
Does Mary recommend learning about the star child directives?
That's a really important one.
One I never thought I was going to be writing about, Kerry, to be quite blunt with you, only because of what children were telling me about their experience at school and teenagers that just don't want to go to school anymore because of how painful it was and how depressing it was.
What I've come to understand, because of their multidimensional awareness and the information that they know of as a real truth rather than what they're being taught, we need to actually have A complete reversal of the way we see education.
My understanding, I've got a whole chapter on it with teachers that are, you know, I call starseeds themselves, that know that we need a new curriculum because of what they experience.
And I've even got some educators tell me that they put together curriculums that are for starseeds for the new children, whether or not, you know, you call them, you know, starseeds or, you know, the new human or...
Another name is The Letter People, which, you know, Dr Olsen talks about.
And what it is, in essence, is we reverse the way that we understand that we teach the kids.
It's actually the children teaching us what they need to manifest and bring in their understanding.
So we're there to nurture it, we're there to show them how the 3D works, but they're actually to teach us what they need to manifest And understand what they're experiencing in a way that really gives them and their gifts the ability to manifest and for us to assist them to manifest.
So it's literally a reversal of roles.
And I know a lot of people are going to really struggle with that.
But my sense is, and when I talk to these educators, is this is how it needs to happen.
When you've got a nine-year-old telling you that they're a light physicist and there's nobody on the planet that's going to help him with that and that he needs to be in a place which is understood and where he has the vehicle for that.
That's what I think needs to happen and how it's going to happen I don't know but there are many people that are educators that I've themselves said, look, you know, I have been given or downloaded how this needs to happen.
And I believe this is what we have to do.
We need to set up a whole new environment that is nurturing, that is open, that is accepting, and allowing them not only to bring in the information of their awareness and their skills, but also to encourage that, to understand that these children can see energy fields, can see spirits, you know, are getting information from other sources.
As well as what they already are recalling from their past lives.
And that's something I need to say as well, because when you've got a 16-year-old saying, I know how to build interstellar craft, and I said to him, well, how do you know that?
Is it a download or has it been shown how to do it?
He said, no, this is a memory from my life on Mars, where I used to build them.
So I just need to have the equipment to show you how it's done.
When you've got a seven-year-old, one young man I call David in England telling me that when he was seven or eight he had downloaded formulas to create portals, for example.
This is the kind of information these children have and what we've now got to provide.
It's a completely different way of understanding how children are educated in the way that we look at now and actually saying, no, we have to actually provide a space, a loving space for them to tell us what they need so they can manifest what it is they've come here to do.
So it's definitely going to rattle a few cages, Kerry, but I've got teachers explaining how they've understood it because they've seen it in the children.
They've seen the star kids.
They recognize them in the classroom.
They know there's a lot of telepathy going on as well because these children, a lot of them are telepathic.
As one 13-year-old told me, Mary, she said it's a real problem because what the teacher's thinking and what the teacher's saying are two different things.
And what she's thinking actually isn't very nice.
So we have to be really aware now that not only are our thinking has to change, But also the way that we approach this because these children know.
They know when you're lying.
They know when you're telling the truth.
They know when something is inaccurate or not accurate.
And this is what we're dealing with.
We have to really shift our awareness into a far different higher frequency to actually interact with these children because they will know What your agenda is?
What your motivation is?
What is important?
And this is what we have to really embody ourselves.
It's not just talking the talk.
It's walking the walk.
Absolutely.
Very well put.
And I think that more and more teachers are going to be asking these kind of questions.
And it would be lovely for them to realize, get a hold of your book, get into sessions where they're actually taught how to deal with children that are completely different and More advanced.
In other words, I think a lot of teachers have learned how to deal with children who are supposedly having learning disabilities, but it's a completely other ballgame when the child is more advanced than the teacher, in essence, and maybe not emotionally.
You know, not fully developed, etc., but in terms of their mental abilities, etc., and so on.
And then also, you know, handling a child who has a vast intellect but at the same time doesn't have the emotional capability at this time, you know, to deal on the human level.
And perhaps making mistakes in that regard.
So yeah, it's wonderful that you have that.
Now someone else is asking, how does one get in touch with you if they want to have a hypnotherapy session?
Well, I'm on Facebook, but I also have a new website, maryrodwell.com.au, so you just need to access that and send me an email from there.
So that's the easiest way to do it if they want any kind of hypnosis.
Okay.
Let's see.
I'm scanning here to see if we can find...
Any other questions?
Someone says they live on the Gold Coast, Queensland.
How do we call these children to us?
That's an interesting way of putting it.
Well, I think the children will find you if you're of the frequency, because this is all about frequency, we're actually mentioning here.
As Dr Olson, who I mention a great deal in the book as a molecular biologist, but also an experiencer, she was talking about how she sees it that we're separating out into two frequencies, the low frequency people and the high frequency people.
And she said, we're actually making a choice, a sole choice.
Where do we want to go?
Do we want to go to that higher frequency and evolve?
Or do we want to stay with the materialistic 3D world or whatever?
And what I'm seeing is with us who want to help and want to be, you know, raising...
Our awareness, for example, we will draw to us, you know, the children if it's part of our role.
It will manifest that way.
I think it's not all up to us on a conscious level, I suppose, is my point, is that the simplicity of understanding Working on ourselves actually draws to us where we can contribute, where we have the skills and whatever.
I'll be quite honest with you, Kerry, if you told me 40 years ago as a nurse midwife that one day I'd be travelling the world talking about UFOs, ETs and I'd have probably sent you to the nearest psychiatrist, you know, because I honestly didn't know anything about this.
So this has been, as we evolve, we learn, we change, we grow, and, you know, whatever our truth was yesterday may not be our truth today.
Ultimately, though, That is shifting our awareness and from that we draw to us, I believe, you know, that where we can use our skills, why we've come here in the first place, you know, the mission.
And many people have a feeling and sense of mission and they're saying, well, what can I do?
I'm aware that I'm one of these.
What is it?
You know, I'm not really sure what my mission is.
And often they come for hypnosis wanting to access that.
And my answer to them is, yes, you can find more information through hypnosis or through meditation.
And asking those questions.
But ultimately, your soul knows where it's going and it's not going to let you miss the bus.
So if you trust that you're working on yourself and that's your intent, then I believe what you're doing is bringing that information to you, those experiences to you.
So for the person that wants to do more, then possibly that is part of your mission.
So just keep doing what you're doing because when you're ready, Then it will happen.
And I really feel that with how I understand human experience.
Okay.
Someone here is asking, have you seen African American Aliens?
And wondering if African-Americans, you know, sometimes they do wonder about this, but I certainly come across African-Americans that are having contact experiences, whether or not they're seeing beings with their color of skin or not.
There's so many different colors of skin out there when the beings are manifesting, but I don't know.
What would you have to say about that?
It's interesting, but occasionally I'll get that.
I mean, the Reverend Carter, who I've actually included in my, what I call the God chapter, basically, he's written two books because he had experiences of Both encounters and other experiences and wrote about those in books where they fit in because he's a minister and he shows how they actually fit in with his spiritual beliefs as well.
But I am contacted by, you know, those from Africa as well as America that are African-American or whatever and they have, you know, sometimes they will see beings of that color or different colors as well.
Maybe it's something to do with the culture, maybe in some cases where they don't come and own it or they've made it into a more religious, spiritual kind of experience.
But this is really about the soul's awareness and the soul's frequency and the soul being ready to embrace it.
So it doesn't matter what colour, shape or form you are.
I mean, you know, I've got Japanese contacting me and Chinese and One of the interesting things from India, actually, is that a young man contacted me and said his big problem was that he knew he was a star seed.
He knew he was a star...
He'd come here to help.
But his problem with the Indian culture was that he said, most of my culture, most of, you know, of my friends and family and relatives all see them as gods.
And he said, and they're not gods.
He says, but they want to worship them.
And he said, and that's my problem.
He said, because, you know, they talk about the different, you've seen, you know, the blue gods and the elephant god, which actually some people have seen is Is Ganasha is actually, some of my clients have seen, an elephant type being as well.
So he says, but that's my problem.
He said, what do I do?
How do I tell my family that that's not how it is, that they're not gods?
Stop worshipping them.
Right.
You know, so his problem was that.
And don't you find it interesting how beliefs make it so difficult to see this in its true form in a way that is more objective and more neutral because we're all coming from those core beliefs that, you know, how we've been conditioned and programmed.
And one of the ways that I think the only way to do this is to, as much as possible, rid yourself of the programs, rid yourself of the old beliefs as much as possible, and try and broaden your perspective so that you can see more of the, I call it the E.T. elephant, so you can see more of the E.T. elephant, not just one little piece of the elephant and think you know it all about them because that's the piece you can see.
Because there is so much we don't know, and the only way we can be open to it is allow...
That, you know, to not have any boundaries, not have any limits, and to just go where it takes us.
And that's what it's challenged me to do, because every time I think I've got a handle on it, you know, I feel like I'm standing on an ice flow that says, right, now I've got a bit of a handle on this, I think.
And as soon as more information comes in, my ice flow melts again.
And I've got to jump to another one that's for the moment, you know, my reality until that changes and morphs again into something else.
And in the end, it becomes quite freeing because you realize you don't know anything at all.
But it's fun not knowing and it's fun just embracing the new information as it comes in.
So for me, that's been part of the adventure of it is not knowing, but trying to understand as I join the dots.
Absolutely.
I agree with that.
Let's see.
Someone is asking, have you had any sessions with autistic children?
Yes, but usually the ones that have obviously been able to communicate.
I've got a whole chapter on a holistic way of looking at what have been perceived as dysfunctions.
ADHD, which translated by a wonderful gentleman called Neil Gold, is always dialed into higher dimensions, by the way.
That's a lovely way of describing ADHD. Dyslexia and some forms of autism.
And I'm saying that because I'm talking about the ones that are born autistic rather than those that may have had that and being a catalyst for other things that may have happened to them and you all know what I mean by that and but the ones that what they discovered about the autistic ones that are born that way is that they appear to be telepathic for a start so that's been some research done by some credible people both in America and elsewhere they're also finding rather than having something wrong with the
genes they actually have more creative genes and I've written about this and In terms of sourcing, what do we understand now?
Why they're different?
My understanding in very broad terms, and it actually marries with Dr.
Olsen, who talks about her understanding of the letter people.
She calls them the letter people because she's one.
She was considered semi-autistic as a child and all the rest of it, highly intelligent and whatever.
What they're doing and what ADHD are really doing is they're seeing a broader, more multi-dimensional reality than the ones that are being programmed out of it.
They're actually seeing more of the matrix and because of that they struggle with the 3D because you're asking them to look through the eye of a needle when in fact they're looking through both eyes at You know, a matrix of awareness and understanding.
And what we're doing is saying, no, you can't see that.
You can only see this tiny little bit here because that's where your reality is.
So we wonder why they get frustrated.
We wonder also why they react the way they do.
Some of that is because they are all empaths.
So they can sense and feel your frustration, your emotion.
They're also tapping into the way you're thinking.
And if you're getting frustrated or you're getting upset or whatever, they will pick all of that up and they will either manifest it from themselves or they'll misunderstand it.
So it's because we don't understand How they're perceiving reality that we judge it as dysfunctional when in fact the dysfunctional ones are ourselves.
And that's how it's come to be explained to me by those that have looked into this.
So I'm looking at a holistic way now of understanding ADHD. And what that is, because they're operating many times faster than the average human.
So, of course, what do we do to them?
We dumb them down.
We stick medication down their faces so that they can operate in 3D, when in fact we have to understand that actually they're a part of this evolutionary leap in terms of human consciousness.
So it's like turning...
It's on its head and saying, what is this actually showing us when we're getting so many now being born this way?
And, you know, that was the interesting thing for me was experiences having children that were dyslexic or having ADHD. Why would they, if they're having experiences where they're being upgraded or activated, why on earth?
Would they then end up appearing dysfunctional?
Unless, in fact, it's us who are dysfunctional.
They don't want them reprogrammed into a 3D inaccurate world.
The best way to do that is make them harder to be programmable.
And that's how I've come to understand it.
Yeah, that's a fascinating idea.
And it does sound like it has merit for sure.
That is quite interesting and I think there's something to that and a reason to understand also I think that the children that are unusual may have a special message to deliver that can't be delivered in a conventional way.
And that in order to access their mission, so to speak, they need to sort of turn off certain, what we think of as 3D abilities, in order to accentuate these other abilities.
So it's one of focus and, yeah, it's almost a prism effect.
That they may be experiencing.
And physicality is like the least of their sort of cares or focus.
Yeah, it's really fascinating.
There is someone here asking if star children have designed any advanced technology that you know about that has gone into production.
Although I will say that the agencies that know about these children have certainly accessed many of them and I was told about this from a nine-year-old about the basis where they work with these children and they train them and they also use any information that they may come out with or understand.
So I suspect it's there, but it's not, as far as I know, you know, I've not had access to it, although this little 10-year-old told me about the formula he was given to create portals.
Certainly there are children there that are talking about complex subjects and quantum physics and whatever, and although they've got no way of manifesting it, and often even their parents don't even understand, as one 15-year-old told me, you know, parents were very religious and And she knew she was a star kid.
And she said, my problem is, Mary, I get all this information on quantum physics and whatever.
But, you know, I can't tell my parents because they don't even believe in ETs.
They don't believe in any of this.
So her biggest problem was, how do I ever show them what I'm getting because they won't even believe me and my experiences.
And the hardest thing with these children that have perhaps problems with the adults that they're in the family, and I'll give you a very profound example of that, was a young man who was almost 17.
I was 16 when I first spoke to him and he told me that his family kept giving him a hard time when he was 10 or 11.
And saying, you know, stop talking about all this imaginary stuff and you think you're having these experiences and all this weird stuff and, you know, get in the real world and forget all that stuff because you're just weird and, you know, and what have you.
So he said to me, he said, Mary, I tried.
I tried to just do the reality that they wanted me to experience.
And he said, and I got so depressed that I actually wanted to take my life.
And I decided that the only way I could survive was to go back to being aware and sensitive and operating in my multidimensional way again, because it was the only way that had any meaning for me.
But he said the hardest thing was Going to school without awareness, when you are tapping into other people around you, he said, and if another child had had a hard time with their parents or had been, you know, abused or had, you know, a rough time, I would feel their pain.
I would feel what went on for them.
And it got so hard, Mary, I just couldn't go to school anymore.
So what we have to understand here is it's not just them being more intellectually or having a consciousness that is so vast.
It's also the fact that they're highly sensitive.
And a lot of them will be reclusive or appear to be reclusive or antisocial because they have to withdraw energetically from those around them because of the disorder of the emotions, feelings, or what is actually going on around them.
And that's something else that will often cause depression and why a lot of these kids end up on drugs or taking alcohol because they want to dumb that down.
And that's another part of what is not being understood.
So this covers so much when you look at the consequences of being such a multi-aware individual or child and why a lot of them, you know, we know that suicide rates are pretty high with kids.
This is part of the reason.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
And I think that I wish that there were more understanding.
Towards people that are taking drugs, especially young people who are acting out and doing certain things, that it may come from a root cause that's actually much different than some, I don't know, traditional Freudian psychiatrists might tell them.
Oftentimes I have the feeling there's no language with which to communicate what makes them different because it's like they're really speaking a different language.
And an empath, of course, a child that is empathic is going to know that, as you said, the double standard that's going on in people's minds, a lot of times people will act one way and be thinking another.
And so on.
So this has got to throw them into an emotional turmoil.
And they're also having to balance what is honesty, you know, and what does that really mean?
And so on.
So very, very crucial things to be thinking about.
Someone else wants to know, what are your thoughts on the energetic shift for men today?
Coming in December and January, have you heard anything about this?
I've certainly heard from a number of intuitists that they are aware that there is something ahead of us in the near future.
Some have even mentioned November as well as being part of this energetic shift.
And I know that the planet is being hit by a number of different frequencies that many believe are part of this It's a catalyst for us to become more aware and shift frequencies on this planet and what have you.
But there certainly does seem to be a big movement now.
Some are calling it an event and some it's just a shift into a higher frequency.
Certainly there's a sense of anticipation.
For some people, almost anxiety around it as well, almost as though they're aware that it's going to cause not only maybe some really positive things, but also we may be facing with things that need to be sorted out on this planet.
And I think we're all aware that there's a great deal happening on multi-levels at the moment.
So I think it's quite possible.
And certainly the feeling of anticipation that I'm hearing does suggest that more than a few people are tapping into that.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Absolutely.
Someone wants to know, should we couple our learning of star children with liquid crystals?
I'm not really sure what the question is there.
Right.
Well, the person who wrote it, you know, I'm not sure what they mean by liquid crystals.
Crystals we certainly know about.
Liquid crystals, perhaps this person works in a lab or something, has access to these things.
It sounds, you know, like it has potential.
But I, you know, I know crystals can be valuable in many, many ways.
Well, interestingly, one of the things I've deliberately done, and I do it to challenge, I do it to act as a trigger and also to offer validation for those that have never wanted to talk about it.
One of the things that Dr Olson works with is crystals.
And she was given information from numerous different intelligences is how they work and how to use them in healing and what have you as well.
So I've got no doubts there's a great deal that That we need to understand about, you know, crystals and how we can use them for healing and perhaps many, many other things as well.
So it may be that's how the question is perhaps understanding more about that.
One of the things I loved was Dr.
Harry Oldfield's information where he uses the PIP technology where through this software you can see more of, you know, the multidimensional nature of what's going on In healing and in someone's energy.
I always remember this particular clip where he's filming a healer using crystals and there's a crystal by the healer and you see this light coming out of the crystal while the healing is being done and then the light actually going in like it had a consciousness.
And certainly those that have gone out of body and in my last chapter I'm really challenging the read effort, a lot of them, Is this gentleman that spends more time out of body than he does actually in body.
And he's talking about everything communicates, everything is sentient.
He said basically even colour communicates, etc.
And he was explaining the only thing that wasn't able to communicate or was sentient was in fact plastic.
So, in that sense, what we have to understand is that everything's made up of the same stuff just because we haven't understood how it happens yet through our understanding of physics.
I mean, many people know that they can get information by just merely holding an object that's been close to someone because it takes on the frequency of that individual and information, just as some houses take on information from what's happened in the house or whatever.
So everything records.
And I certainly think with the crystals, that they have this amazing power to record, but also have a power to expand frequency or to assist in healing frequencies and whatever.
Even as yet, you know, it's like acupuncture.
We're still trying to learn how it works, but we know it does.
I think we just haven't got the awareness of the understanding of physics yet to know how it actually works.
That's all.
That doesn't mean it's not valid.
It just means we still haven't worked it out.
Absolutely.
Well, it appears that, you know, a liquid crystal is a certain kind of crystal.
It's in an intermediate state.
And I think that what they're positing is a very interesting question.
Certainly we know about crystals, as I said, but I think...
You would need to study the properties of liquid crystal in order to determine whether or not the regular crystals and their properties are the exact same in liquid crystals or not, or if there's some added difference that would facilitate communicating, as you're trying to say, with star children, so to speak.
But I'm sure that it sounds extremely advanced, so I'm sure that It would be something that, you know, it's worth knowing about.
So, of course, you could talk to children about them.
Absolutely.
I would also talk to Dr.
Olsen about that because she may have some insight into that, working with crystals herself.
Okay.
And someone wants to know, what are some good ways to absorb energy?
What is a good way?
Go out into nature.
It's all there.
You know, one of the things I really enjoy doing with my little grandsons and because they're so open and so delightful is, you know, showing them how to go and connect with the energy of the trees and, you know, and to, you know, go barefoot, you know, and through the fields or the woods or whatever it is.
It's all there.
The energy is there available to you.
And, you know, the sad thing is why so many people feel depleted now, I believe, is we live in a, you know, many people live in a concrete jungle.
And never put their feet on bare earth and what have you.
So energy-wise, first of all, eat good food.
And that means, if possible, and you can afford it, organics, obviously.
That's one of the important things.
What we eat is our fuel and what have you.
But also being as much in nature as possible.
And to get water that is as pure as possible as well, because, you know, a lot of it is contaminated and we all know that now.
And that's one of the real worries as well is that we're getting less and less pure water.
So it's what you put in your body.
It's also how you think.
And I know, Kerry, you'd resonate with that is that, you know, we are what we think.
And, you know, you have to look at your thoughts.
And the reason I'm making a point of that is when a woman wrote to me about her three-year-old daughter and she said to me, Mary, So my daughter's been telepathic since she was born.
She reads our thoughts, everyone around us.
People do get freaked out.
But my big problem as a mother is that, you know, when she's reading my thoughts, I have to now be really careful about what I think about because I know she's reading them.
And this is really getting us to walk or talk again and to be aware of what we think, how we think, and what we're projecting and what we're tapping into.
So that can be energizing too.
Start looking at the higher frequencies.
It's like looking at the light rather than focusing on the things that pull us down and make us feel depressed or lonely or isolated.
Because, you know, this is another part of the challenge, isn't it, if we're to evolve on this planet, I think anyway.
Absolutely.
Well, and I would also say that this is sort of an interesting idea, the notion that not only are, again, the new children becoming more telepathic and psychic and tapping in, but All people are.
We have these energetic waves that are now hitting the earth and also facilitating this change in everyone.
And I would say that when you come into someone's presence, and even when you are aware long distance they may be thinking of you, you may become aware of that.
It also has to do with how they are, you know, what they're getting back from you.
So that we don't, it's not only when you Encounter, say, a child, but I would encourage what I find, and as a sensitive, I'm seeing other people who normally might be serving you coffee, for example, or you might encounter at the grocery store, and you're sensing you're actually interacting with them.
You're having more of an experience than you would normally expect to in that setting, and that's because the humans are becoming more More aware of their natural telepathic abilities.
And so I think that this is changing our world.
And I wonder if you're also encountering this, Mary.
I think it's spot on.
Absolutely spot on, Kerry, with that.
As we, you know, are changing our frequency, becoming more aware, we are becoming, you know, more tuned in to those around us and whatever.
And we are reflecting, I believe, through our own frequencies and the frequencies of those of a similar kind of awareness.
We're actually assisting each other.
It's almost like, you know, you throw the stone in the water and the ripple effect is we're all carrying that frequency with us and it's coming through the voice, it's coming through music that we may produce, it may be coming through, you know, just the way that we are.
This is impacting on those around us, even if they're not fully awake or fully aware that this is going on.
And that's how I think it's happening.
You know, it's literally happening as we connect And what I love is that with all these beautiful new, you know, not only the children, but the young adults that are coming out with these beautiful voices, and we're getting children of nine or ten that have voices that sound like they've been singing forever.
And I believe these new, these are bringing in the frequencies through their voice, and we're just saying, what a lovely voice.
But it's the frequencies that they're bringing in through that beautiful voice as being part of it, whether it's through the music or through the artwork.
All of these are frequencies that are going out across the planet.
And whenever we tap into them, we feel...
We feel different.
We feel changed by them.
And I think everyone, you know, everyone is doing what we're doing, is doing that as well.
It's raising the frequency of the planet.
Actually, whether people are aware of it or not, it is influencing and affecting them energetically.
And I think that's what's so brilliant about it.
Yes.
We're doing it, even unconsciously, we're doing it.
Absolutely.
And I'm not going to keep you much longer.
I know we're almost at the two-hour mark, but there's one other question here I thought would be great to hear you address.
Yes.
Someone wants to know, are Lyrians a good race or bad?
I just want to say the caveat of service to self versus service to others as opposed to good or bad is a much better way of perhaps phrasing that.
But nonetheless, the intention of the question must be understood.
Thank you.
For me, it is either service to others or service to self.
We're in a duality.
We are here to learn, I believe, as a soul.
And part of that is to understand what is not loving and what is loving, what is fearful, what is not fearful, and to actually look at how we interpret that.
To give you an example, and I'm really going to turn this question on its head.
You've got two individuals, and they may have been told that they've only got three months to live.
I work with grief and bereavement and hospice.
So, you know, that was a very relevant one where you've got two people having a similar challenge, life challenge, if you like.
And you've got one of them saying, God's evil.
He's done this to me.
How dare he take me away from my family?
I hate him and I hate the world.
You've got someone with a similar scenario saying, do you know what?
Because this has happened, it's changed my life in a way I appreciate every moment and I wouldn't change a thing.
They've both got three months to live.
So what I'm saying with the beings and whatever, all I'll say to the individual who's trying to work out, are these loving beings or are they self-serving beings?
What are you feeling from them?
What do you sense from them?
Because it's an individual thing.
It's part of your journey, and you've got to decide whether or not that's an experience where you're learning about fear, or are you learning about being attacked in some way, or as a victim, or are you seeing this as part of your growth, part of your challenge to understand more about yourself?
Because ultimately, this is what I believe this life's about.
It's about coming here to have challenges, to learn about what's loving and what's not loving, And how we interact with the beings is how we feel about ourselves and what is that reflecting to us.
And if that doesn't make any sense to you, all I would say is, what do you feel from them?
What is your sense of them?
Because that's the one that I would trust rather than what anybody else tells you.
And their understanding or their awareness, they're coming from a different space.
And we've heard of beings like the greys that some people have said, They're the most, you know, I've had nothing but loving interactions with them.
Somebody else will say, I think they're all evil.
There's about, I was told, there were at least 165 species of grey.
So it's going to be very hard to isolate which ones are the self-serving ones and which ones are not.
So with that, it's all about ultimately us making up our own mind through what we sense within ourselves because that's really the only mandate we've got.
Everything else is what we're hearing from other people which may or may not be accurate or true to you.
I hope that makes sense and it's not too convoluted.
Okay, lovely.
So at this point, I am going to close this down, and I want to thank you so much for being my guest tonight, Mary.
It's been a wonderful experience having you here, and I hope that people will buy your book and go to your website, etc.
Is there anything that you want to put out here as closing remarks?
And also, if you can give out any websites, URLs, places where people can get your book, and also where you might be speaking next.
Thank you.
The free organisation is literally www.experiencer.org.
My website that's been updated is maryrodwell.com.au.
You can also reach me on Facebook as well.
The book is not published for maybe another couple of weeks.
It's almost there.
So I will let people know on Facebook when it's available and what have you as well.
Closing remarks, I would like to say, is I would hope, and I hope all of you that have had some form of experience, you know, really honour it now.
And really, if you can...
You know, share it at least with those that we feel are receptive to it because we don't want to buy into any more of that truth embargo.
And the only way we're going to get anywhere on this planet is starting to speak our truth and be authentic.
And I would say, if you can do that, guys, this is how we're going to change things.
So that would be my final remark.
You know, you know, Take the bull by the horns and say, you know, I'm not going to be part of this nonsense anymore.
I'm going to be me and I'm going to be authentic and I'm going to do the best I can for those that I love and care for.
Lovely.
Absolutely.
Beautiful, beautifully said and lovely thoughts as well.
All right.
Thank you so much, Mary.
I'm going to let you go and I want to thank you again for coming on the show.
It'd be great to have you back in the future.
And please do stay in touch.
And thanks, everyone, for listening.
I'm going to run the credits and I'll let Mary go here.
So let me see.
I'll be just hanging up here with you, Mary, and thank you very much, okay?
So at this moment, I just want to let people know that, again, I'm going to be in Sedona this weekend.
If there's anyone that wants to, I know it's last minute, but this is how it worked out.
And I'd be willing to do a small speaking engagement or maybe even a small get-together.
If you want to try to arrange something like that and you are in the Sedona area, you can let me know at my email, carrie at projectcamelot.tv.
And that, you know, or tweet or, you know, Twitter me or, you know, Facebook me.
And so I'm working very hard on the Mark Richards information and getting that out there to people.