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Aug. 31, 2016 - Project Camelot
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JIM MARRS & DICK ALLGIRE - REMOTE VIEWING AUGUST EVENT
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Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here with the Project Camelot television show.
And tonight we have a really interesting show for you with Dick Allgaier.
He is one of the Courtney Brown remote viewers and we finally got hold of him and were able to schedule tonight's interview, discussion, whatever you want to call it.
And we've also got The illustrious Jim Mars, and he's with us as well.
And I'm going to quickly put the poster to identify the show here for everyone to see.
And then I'm going to ask the chat if there is a chat, guys, just so you know, along with the show.
And we will be allowing people to ask questions at a certain juncture once we get Going after a while, just so you know, so hopefully you're okay with that.
They will be asking questions, they'll be typing it into the chat, so they'll just be written questions.
And we've already got an audience standing by, so...
That's a good thing.
And I'm hearing it's loud and clear.
And everyone, you guys have a big fan club out here to say.
So without further ado, let me just say, I'll just say in general, that we are, that Jim Mars is a prolific person.
Author, and there are so many books that he's been writing, and he's got a new one out.
I think we want to find out a little bit about that if we can during this show tonight.
And the reason he's invited on this show tonight is also because he has written a book called Psy Spies, and he himself has some background in remote viewing and has done it himself, as have I, by the way.
So these are not going to be necessarily neophytes.
To talk here to the expert himself, Dick Allgaier, who has a very long career, from what I understand, of studying remote viewing for many years, which is quite extraordinary.
Before, I don't know if you, you know, before you really got into doing it as a sort of a career.
And we'll find out more about that.
So let me...
Put these guys on the screen here for you.
And say hello, guys.
Howdy.
Howdy there.
Okay, so we've got you guys nicely framed here, and I think you can be seen.
I'm checking the picture over on my other computer, and everything looks great.
So just the only thing that I advise you is when one person is talking, just to avoid any interference, if you know where the mute button is on your Skype, then go ahead and mute when the other person's talking just at to be uh polite but if you don't know where it is don't worry about it and we'll just I think we're going to be okay I don't I don't hear any interference at the moment so I think we're fine uh it is so I'll just shut up okay
well the first thing I want you to do though is introduce yourselves uh in a much more detailed way than I've done for you and uh Jim Mars made himself famous by investigating the Kennedy assassination, and I've had him on my show numerous times.
I've done a face-to-face interview with him.
But Jim, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself first, give yourself some background, and also tell us the name of your latest book.
Okay, well, my name is Jim Mars.
I'm a Texas journalist.
I graduated with a degree in journalism.
I have been a journalist and been working for newspapers since high school.
So I've been in the news business about 50 years.
That's half a century.
It's kind of hard to really believe that I've been at it this long.
And yes, I cut my teeth on the Kennedy assassination.
But since I've written about four New York Times bestsellers that include The Rise of the Fourth Reich and Rule by Secrecy, the latest one is population control.
How corporate owners are killing us.
And I would highly recommend people get this book because, folks, this goes beyond philosophy.
It goes beyond politics.
This is getting into self-defense.
If you don't know what they're putting in your food and your water and your air, then, you know, you're going to have some real problems.
And if you want to protect the family and those you love, you've got to find out what they're doing to you.
Absolutely.
Well, very good.
And that's going to be fascinating.
Can you very briefly give an overview of your book, Psy Spies, before we move to Dick?
Oh, yes.
Well, that was some time back.
It was going to be published in 1995, but there's a whole strange set of circumstances there.
The book got canceled, and the CIA suddenly decided they were going to announce that they had been studying remote viewing, which is a psychic phenomenon.
But, you know, they didn't think they really were getting much out of it, so they were just going to break open this here to four classified program just to let us know.
And I asked you, when has the CIA ever voluntarily broken open one of their secret programs?
I think this shows you that there was a lot of maneuvering going on Behind the release of information about remote viewing.
But my book is entitled Psi Spies, P-S-I, Psi Spies.
That's for psychic spies.
And it says, the true story of America's psychic warfare program.
And I know Dick has met all of the military and remote viewers, or most of them, and has studied this a long time.
And I don't know, he may agree with me, he may not, but I think there are some details, obviously, that I didn't get because it was still a secret program, but I think basically I pretty well got the general story told of how remote viewing was picked up, first by the CIA and then by the military, and then used operationally through various names such as Stargate, Center Lane, et cetera, et cetera.
If this is the introduction, if you've never heard of remote viewing, and you want to find out how it came to be and some of the scientific basis for it, then I would recommend my book, South Spies.
Excellent.
Okay.
And Dick Allgaier, welcome.
Lovely to have you on the show.
And why don't you give yourself a bit of an introduction?
Well, it's good to be here.
I, like Jim, I'm a professional journalist.
I was a television news reporter, producer, and anchorman.
For 38 years.
And I've won numerous national and regional and society of professional journalist awards.
I would say a lot of who I am today and where I am today is a result of Jim Mars.
I owe Jim Mars a lot for waking me up.
And I'm not just blowing sand at you, Jim.
I read Crossfire many years ago.
And, you know, we'd all heard the conspiracy theories regarding Kennedy.
And I finally got a hold of Jim's book and read it.
It may have been because of the Oliver Stone movie.
I can't remember if it was before or after, but it was roughly about that time.
And I read his book.
And Jim's books are so well-researched and written so well that it's just so easy to go from page to page.
And he lays out the story so simply.
And it's all documented, explained in reference.
After I read Crossfire, I then read Alien Agenda.
Got another bit of my education.
Then about, was it 2004, I read Inside Job, about the 9-11.
And after that, I started reading all of Jim's books.
Rule by Secrecy, just recently Population Control.
It is a good way to wake up.
Because he's a great writer, well-researched, well-documented, and set forward in such a plain, straightforward manner.
So my waking up, becoming a remote viewer, you know, is partly due to my own natural curiosity, but Jim helped me along the way with his books.
Okay, so here I was in 1996-97, and the story of remote viewing came out.
This was, I think, before SciSpies was out.
My introduction wasn't SciSpies.
I read that later.
But I heard about remote viewing, heard interviews with some of the remote viewers, and just being a naturally curious yet skeptical person, I thought, wow, if this is true, that's got to be remarkable.
And I think, like all human beings, I had some little glimmers of Non-local awareness.
You know those moments when you haven't spoken with someone for 10 years and they call you?
Or you have a precognitive dream that slaps you in the face?
I had moments like that.
So I was open to it.
I took some of the remote viewing training at Farsight early on.
I studied with all the major, you know, Lynn Buchanan's method, Ed Daines, I got his tapes.
And then I heard About a military remote viewer in Hawaii that was teaching classes.
And Jim, this is where I go off from your narrative a little bit.
Think of how much I want to say about this.
I don't want to...
When people say the remote viewing program, they refer to Fort Meade.
Oh, the Stargate, Grill Flame, the Fort Meade program.
Mel Riley, Paul Smith, Lynn Buchanan, Skip Atwater, former Joe McMoneagle, that that was the one and only program and that all that came out of that was CRV. That was one program.
There were other programs.
I've confirmed, I know for a fact there was another program because it was the program, it was the method that I learned.
And early on when I was Learning it, I contacted Paul Smith and gave him some of the terminology, and he said, I've never heard of that.
No, don't know anything about that.
They, to this day, don't really accept it.
It wasn't until Joe McMoneagle verified that my teacher had been taught another form of remote viewing.
I'm kind of rambling here, but there were other programs.
There are other methods.
What was released, I believe, and I'm going to get right to it here, was an attempt to They knew remote viewing was going to get out.
They knew how powerful it was.
They wanted to keep it in the new age community.
They wanted to keep it harmless.
They didn't want anyone to really do anything significant with it.
So I'll stop talking.
We can...
Well, fair enough.
Now, let me ask you just about certain of well-known players in this.
You talk about Joe McMonagle.
Were you familiar with Ingo Swann and SRI? Of course.
Of course.
I've met Ingo Swann.
I've spoken with Ingo Swann.
Ingo Swann was aware of the work that I won't say I was doing, but the group I was associated with, he liked the fact that there was no money ever involved.
It was not taught for money.
And that all the projects we did were never charged for them.
So yeah, we know about Ingo Swann.
on let me let me tell you about my lineage there's it's such a big story as There's so much to it.
You talk about Joe McMoneagle.
It's my understanding that he feels it can't be trained.
Joe McMoneagle feels that it's a natural thing.
Joe just lays down and does his own thing, his own free-form version of remote viewing, and is somewhat critical of people who try to teach a step-by-step method.
He also said in his book that one of the step-by-step methods that is often taught was never used for any degree of intelligence work at the Fort Meade Union.
He says all the valuable information was gotten by other methods.
That's kind of heresy to say in the remote viewing community, but Joe McMoneagle is a person that does it more free-form by Joe McMoneagle's own natural Yeah, I think that what you're saying,
number one, it's really interesting to find out that there were, I am now aware that there were other programs into remote viewing, but keep in mind, I'm just a lowly reporter and I broke into the one classified program.
That was the only one I knew about at the time.
Well, it was a hell of a story you broke, and you got it.
It was difficult because I'm talking to people who signed an oath and said they can't talk about it, and that was interesting trying to get information out of them back in the 90s.
But what I want to say is that remote viewing, I see remote viewing like playing Chopin on the piano.
You know, as human beings, we all kind of have the ability, I mean, if you take piano lessons and train and practice enough, you will play Chopin on the piano.
And then there are others who are just almost naturals.
They could hear Chopin and put their hands on the piano and probably play.
So, in a wide range in between.
So, yes, what you're saying is there are different ways of approaching it, and some people are more natural than others, but don't you agree, though, that for just the average run-of-the-mill person who's trying to do remote viewing, then probably some step-by-step program is probably necessary to guide them into it.
Oh, I'm totally on board that you need a step-by-step method.
The method that I learned is very strict.
You sit down with a Pencil and paper.
And the next 600 things you do, every movement of your head, every movement of your eyes, every movement of the pen, the timing, the sequence, especially the timing, is all preset.
And I would say, to your show pen analogy, and some people will play ragtime quite well, and some people will play jabs.
And it doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
That's right.
Sure.
That's all true.
What about David Morehouse?
I think his name is Psychic Warrior.
Are you aware of his book and his remote viewing?
Let's see, Dick, first answer.
Yes, I don't know David personally.
I haven't met him, but I think very highly of him.
I've worked with a number of his students, and his students all have a great knowledge and a Great skill in remote viewing.
All the ones that I've met and I've worked with some of them and I've trained them.
So I have the utmost respect for David Mormons.
All right.
Well, that's good to hear.
You know, there was a smear campaign launched against him numerous times, really.
That's exactly right, Carrie.
And that's what you need to keep in mind that it was a smear campaign.
This is when they were trying to keep the lid on the validity of remote viewing.
I met David, and he's been to my house, and I've been quite close to him, and he's a wonderful person, and a strange shooter, okay?
I actually went to the Army Hospital there in Walter Reed in Washington to try to meet David, and the government had him so doped up, he could rarely hold his head up.
And after they had him doped up, then, you know, they had him say all kinds of things.
They brought up all kinds of charges, which most of all have been dismissed.
It was a spear campaign.
Yeah, lovely to hear you're so up on that, Jim.
I'm really glad to hear both of you guys have a good opinion of him.
I think he broke ground that people wouldn't reveal at the time.
I don't know if it maybe is generally out there now, but there are a lot of aspects to remote viewing that are not talked about that also involve things like remote influencing, And all kinds of things.
Now, there are other skill sets.
You know, I kind of see remote viewing, if you talk about, you know, all our kind of extrasensory skills and abilities as a spectrum.
And I see if you want to, you know, if you have a one-hand 80 degrees.
Then there's a narrow band that's remote viewing.
There are lots of other psychic abilities.
It's not a hard, fast line.
You can cross out of that the protocols of remote viewing and end up somewhere in another land that can actually do things like even teleporting if you really want to get down to it.
But certainly out-of-body experiences of various kinds and so on.
I don't know whether you, Dick Allgaier, have been so disciplined you never went into those areas or what your situation was.
You want to talk about that?
I've trained.
I've been doing this for 20 years now.
And what I was taught was that remote viewing is...
I mean, once you've spent 10 years doing targets and projects using remote viewing, then the next thing is, okay, if this is possible, what else can you do?
What else is possible?
It's the kickoff to a lot of different things.
We've experimented with trying to not just bring information back from a target.
We've done projects where we've tried to take information to a past target and see if we could put evidence in there.
We've done things like masking and entrainment.
Masking would be...
I did a project where I created a target out of nothing.
I created a location that was only in my mind.
And I gave it to remote viewers and they remote viewed it.
Now, I spent months doing it.
I made a place called Tanner Dam.
I made a man-made dam and a town and a dam and a lake and a little fishing, you know, resort.
And I had an artist draw it.
I described it.
I wrote stories about it.
I set up a webcam on top of the dam in my mind and I would go every day and look at the webcam to look at the weather.
I made it a real place in my consciousness.
I entrained that to a real world target.
I wanted to see something else that was going to happen without the viewers knowing what the real target was.
The information they gave me on what was happening at my man-made lake and dam was indicative of what would happen in the real world.
That's an interesting story.
So yeah, we've done a lot of things like that.
Alright, well at one point I know you guys communicated or appeared to go back in time to the Phoenix Lights.
I'm talking about the Phoenix Lights viewing.
I think you were involved in that, Dick, if I recall.
And you guys communicated with what was in essence a cat being.
And that was crossing time and space, yeah?
Yes.
Now, I've never had any validation on that.
That could well have been my wild imagination making up some interesting story now.
Sure.
What Courtney Brown believes...
Is that if he gives a target for which there is something that is completely verifiable and the viewer very well describes that verifiable aspect of the target, then you can believe the other unverifiable.
And that is a whole question, actually.
You know, and this does get into, you know, there's the person, I don't know what, I forget what you call him.
I don't know if handler is quite the right word for what Courtney's job is.
Tasker, project manager.
Alright, so, but there is, his interpretation is something that you guys have to live with if, you know, I don't know how you want to frame it, but is that not right?
If, you know, he's kind of like the team lead, he sets the target, you know, you guys do the viewing, and then he takes the results, I was told.
I had a conversation, Daz Smith wasn't able to join us today because he's got too heavy a workload, but...
I do intend to interview him in the future.
He has agreed to do that.
But he said that everyone, you know, that Courtney has his way of looking at the results and that they don't come back to you.
Now, I don't know if I understood him correctly, but he doesn't go back to you guys to get your interpretation of your own viewing.
He basically takes the results and then interprets it.
Is that correct?
Well, I would say...
That interpretation of remote viewing isn't worth much.
What I believe is that analysis is what...
And I can get into that when we talk about the current project that we're doing right now because I think it demonstrates the need for analysis.
Let me explain the difference between interpretation and analysis.
And there's very little real analysis done in the remote viewing world.
I was taught analysis by a viewer that worked for Special Forces Intelligence and the NSA. And they had a way of handling remote viewing data.
And what I saw through my years of work was that any remote viewing session contains a combination of good data, bad data and contamination.
So how do you know?
Which is good and which is not so good.
It requires a method of analysis.
And by analysis, that means breaking down each bit of data in a session and comparing it to the other viewers done blind.
And the analyst should also be blind.
Because you're going to have some bias.
If you think you're looking at beans on the Phoenix Lights, you're going to look for the data and interpret it.
Interpretation means taking data and extrapolating it into a higher level meaning.
And what I do in analysis is take like data that all the viewers report and take it down to its lowest, reduce it down to its lowest possible meaning.
And that's how the military that used it did it.
And that's the value in remote viewing.
So I look at what Courtney's doing as being fun and very interesting and worth looking at and considering.
I would not tell you that all my data and all of his projects is 100% true.
Okay, yeah, fair enough.
Jim Mars, you know, you've done viewing yourself.
You wrote a book about it.
What do you think about this whole idea of, you know, the person who is the project, handling the project, analysis versus interpretation, and whether they should be blind, etc.?
How do you feel about it?
Well, there is such a wide dimension to all this.
When Dick was talking, it reminded me of a great story that's in my book, Syspies, where some of the military remote viewers, it was about Christmas time, and they were going to pull a prank on a fellow remote viewer.
So they gave him a target, okay?
And the target, of course, was Santa Claus.
But what's interesting is that the target, the guy they were playing the prank on, he didn't know this was a prank.
He thought this might be a national security problem, and he went to work on it, and he was coming back all confused, saying, well, I don't understand.
I'm getting this person.
He's a person, and he wears a red uniform, and, you know, he's in some kind of unusual conveyance.
He said, put it all together, you know?
And when they finally told him it was Santa Claus, of course, they almost had a big pipe.
But the point is, is that we collectively have such an image of Santa Claus in our mind and in our worldview that when this trained Army remote viewer goes out to look, he actually was coming up with data, you know, that suggested there really was such a person.
Yeah, fascinating.
Well, I mean, in your own experience, let's get down to that.
Can you talk about...
I know you've done some viewings.
I don't know under what capacity.
Was it for fun?
Were you hired to do it?
Did you become an expert?
Why don't you tell us that much?
Well, I have taught it, or at least taught procedures.
I'm not going to claim that I'm anywhere near...
An expert.
And in fact, the best remote viewing I did was just the very first time I tried it.
I was scheduled to go to New Mexico to meet with some people.
They said, we're going to meet at our corporate headquarters.
And so I said, well, I wonder what that's going to look like.
And I had somewhat of a background because back in the 70s as a newspaper reporter, I'd gone to cover a story on Transcendental Meditation.
And when I was working with that fellow, I kept asking question after question.
He finally said, look, just take the course.
I'll show you how it works.
And I said, okay, but I don't believe in any of that Eastern religion, you know.
Mumbo-jumbo.
And he said, no, you don't have to worry about it.
He said, all you have to do is follow the protocols.
And this is interesting because it's the same thing in remote viewing.
You don't have to believe in anything.
You don't have to change your beliefs or your philosophies.
You simply follow the protocols.
And if you do it correctly, chances are you're going to have remote viewing.
So I sat down in an easy chair, just got relaxed, kind of got in a meditative mood, thought, what is this corporation's headquarters going to look like?
I got a very clear image.
Well, it wasn't that clear, but that's the difference, too, between just something you picture in your mind and the soft psychic signal that is RV. But I got an image of a one-story shopping center with one corner, and the corners were a little bit high, set a little bit higher, and there was something jutting out of them.
And I even got the floor plan and I sketched it out.
And I took all this out to New Mexico and found out that the corporate headquarters was this man's house, ranch-style house.
So I said, well...
But a year later, I went back out there, and they had furthered the corporation, and they had leased some office space in a strip shopping mall.
The corners that were higher with lion's heads jutting out, and they gave me the floor plan.
And I compared it to what I had drawn right down to some words like entranceway, general reception, conference room, and my drawing was 100% accurate.
That's fabulous, yeah.
And this place, see, had not been built when I did the remote view.
Exactly, yeah, fascinating.
I looked into the future.
Somehow I looked into the future.
Well, that is an interesting dynamic, and I wonder, Dick Allgaier, maybe you can talk a little bit about this as well, you know, the issue of time, because when you are asked To view things.
Let me just say this.
I took a class, only one class, from Ed Dames myself.
I ended up getting some very good results.
And what I ended up doing was, first of all, I remote viewed Mars.
And I saw some little creatures.
I drew them.
They were kind of mechanical type things.
And I never even thought about something like this in my life.
Until, you know, I was viewing it.
And then I showed it to him and he basically nodded.
Now, later on, I also, you know, I am, let me say, I do get psychic information and I have been correct and I do have precog dreams and I have been correct about those.
But I never did viewing him to, you know, when I took the class.
And then I went home and I started, actually got laid off my job because this was during the downturn in the dot-com industry.
whole thing.
And, and I had had a lot of time.
So I would every day I would remote view the newspaper, the front of the newspaper.
It's one of those tricks they ask you to do when you're when you're learning.
And, and then I would walk down and go by the newspaper.
And, and I was, I was pretty darn accurate some of the time, not always.
And, And so that was my experience.
But I did have one very freaky incident in which I was going to an interview.
It was in a city, I'm in Southern California, quite a long distance away, down in Newport Beach area, that I didn't know that area that well.
And I lost the...
You know, the directions.
Somehow I misplaced it and I was driving there and realized I didn't have them.
And I didn't know what the hell I was going to do.
And I don't think, for some reason I couldn't get them on the phone.
I can't remember what the situation was.
And somehow I just leaped in my mind and I drove right to the place.
I can't, even to this day, I can't explain it.
I have no idea how I found it.
So, you know, and there are tons of office buildings and this was a gigantic boulevard and, you know, went for miles and all this kind of thing.
So, anyway, that's that.
So, what would you say about timing, Dick Allgaier, and the fact that you can get an overlay and be there at a different time?
Well, first of all, let me say that your experience is that everyone has this ability.
Everyone has a Some call it a subconscious.
Courtney's been trying to rebrand that as higher self, but higher self subconscious.
You have a bit of your consciousness that is in a greater field of consciousness.
So I've been trying to figure this out for a couple of decades.
And the way I wrap my mind around it is that you have the dimension of time In a dimension of space, so time, space, and another dimension is consciousness.
Consciousness is in all that time and space.
We as human beings are having this three-dimensional physical experience in these bodies, and it's necessary for our physical brains to be a filter, because you can't have all that consciousness coming in and And live your day-to-day life.
I need a drink of Peria.
I need to be able to reach over and feel that and see it.
You need to be able to hear when there's a car coming at you so you get out of the way.
Your five physical senses keep that filter on so you're in the here and now.
But we have a subconscious that is in that greater field of consciousness.
And when you learn to displace your awareness to that other location and initiate a communication pathway, your consciousness is there throughout time.
Everything that happens, you know, I drop my pen here, that's an event.
I drop it again, that's another event.
I drop it again, that's another event.
Well, that first time still exists.
We've moved on to that.
Well, you can put your awareness back to where that's still happening.
Moving about in time is a matter of displacing your awareness.
What about this idea?
Jim, I think you and I talked on the phone a week or so ago about an incident you had some exposure to in which somebody remote viewed, I can't remember whether you were there or what, You had a piece of paper, it was like a picture on a magazine or something, and the person ended up remote viewing the back side of the magazine picture that you didn't realize had a back side.
And so even though they appeared to be wrong on the front side, and that was the target, they actually got, just like you did yourself there when you did your own viewing, You basically shifted in time.
In a sense, that's in space, what somebody, you know, and I also found myself doing that sometime in my viewings.
I would end up getting something else on the front page, you know, not the main story, but something else would bleed through.
Or I would get something, you know, there would be some other weird anomalies that weren't completely wrong, but they came in from sort of a left-hand way.
And I wonder because we're going to target all this discussion is eventually going to work ramp up to this August event.
And I'm wondering where some of these things might have come in because we definitely have some big questions along the lines of, you know, the three different viewings and whether those were three different incidents or all one.
And all this kind of thing.
Do you want to talk about that one little incident or have something to say about it?
I want to explain about this.
When your higher self or your subconsciousness goes out into the universe, it's still you, okay?
And what I was told by a lot of the military, you can get distracted just like anybody else.
If you were given a target, say, of an apartment building, okay, and you're psychically going to have to try to find this apartment building, but then there's a circus next door, okay, with bright lights and music and everything else, you're constantly going to drift towards what is more interesting.
A real-life example was Ingo Swann told me at the time he was tasked to go look at some kind of new Soviet submarine.
But all he could look at was this dish-shaped object that was hovering over him.
And they said, are you talking about a UFO? And he said, yes.
And they shut the session down.
Well, that was there.
Carrie, your example, you're trying to remote view what's going to be on the newspaper tomorrow, but you might pick up something that happened two days later to your best friend.
Was that the kind of thing that happened, right?
Well, no, not that far away.
In other words, it was much more similar to what Jim was saying about the guy who he knew he remote viewed, but there was the target.
Now, of course, maybe this is shoddy targeting, you know, because the person...
Who set up the target, had a picture in a magazine, but didn't think far enough to look at the back of the picture to realize there was something on the back.
So it's a legitimate part of the target, in a sense.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like, yeah, you see the house, you see the outside of the house, and you target the house.
But, oh, you focus on the dog inside the house.
You know what I'm saying?
Since you bring all that up quickly, let me explain, Dick, what she's talking about.
At one time when I was trying to teach remote viewing, I was just clipping nice pictures out of magazines to use as targets, okay?
And the one picture that I clipped out was lily pads being shot from underwater.
And it was a really neat, you know, it looked like giant mushrooms with these stalks.
It was green and blue.
I thought this would be a real interesting target.
What I didn't realize was that on the back side of this magazine page was an ad That had an old-timey car in it.
And so one of the people I was trying to train as a remote healer was coming up with these circles and these boxes, and he says it's mechanical, and he basically finally was saying that I think it's an old car.
And I'm thinking, well, he's so wrong.
And then I suddenly looked on the back of the magazine, and he was at the right target.
He was just on the back page.
He was on the back of it.
Well, in my experience, and I've trained a lot, and I've queued a lot of targets, and remote viewers say they like working my targets because the signal line is very strong.
That's because I don't queue a target that I find in a magazine or a picture on the internet.
It's a lot better.
I don't want to criticize you, Jim, but did you know where that picture was taken and when?
Did you know who took it?
Did you know anything?
It was just a pretty picture.
That's not a very strong target.
When I cue a target, I know.
I try to know everything.
Early on, Dick, you have to understand.
Early on, when all I had to go by, all I could know about remote viewing was what was in Joe McMonagle's first book and then the people I talked to who were in grill flight.
That was all the info I had.
That was all I knew about it.
You know, so you're lying here ahead of me.
Here's a target that I queued once.
I was working as a news reporter, and there was a missing person, and so there was this search for this missing guy.
And I spent all day on the search scene.
The detectives were passing out a picture of this guy.
I talked to the detective about who he was.
I was there for the search.
I interviewed his family.
I was intimately involved with this.
So I tasked that as a target.
That has a lot more wallop to it.
When you have something that you really want to know about and that you know a lot about it, It just makes a stronger signal line in consciousness than when you find, oh, there's a beautiful palm tree on a beach, but you don't know what beach or where or when it was taken.
That's hard for the viewer.
There's a lot of palm trees and a lot of beaches.
But let me ask you, along those lines, though, there is an interesting overlay that can happen, I think, and I wonder what you think about this, but On the one hand, the handler or whoever you want to call him, gives you a target.
Now, if they're blind to the target, that's one thing.
If they know the target, And I'm not sure if, you know, in your line of work, if you're always given, you know, a target that the person doesn't know.
But there's also that issue of whether you're picking up the target from the person's mind who gave you the target.
You know what I'm saying?
Or, and there's a similar thing, because what I was wondering was, If you have three remote viewers, and like, let's say, Princess and Daz and yourself, Dick, and I don't know how often the three of you work together, but I understand you're in different parts of the globe, and I understand you don't see each other physically.
You're not in the same physical place, but you're all working with Courtney.
So there is, you know, sort of, you might say, like a triangle or whatever shape you want to call that.
So it's a relationship.
And I wonder if there can be bleed through between viewings where at the same time as you're viewing the target on a certain level, you know, because it's hard to tell the brain what to do, you know, on a certain level.
And especially all of our senses because we have so many of them.
So, at the same time that you're viewing the target, you may get a psychic intuition about what another viewer might bleed through to you.
Now, you're trained to screen something like that, I'd imagine, but do you think that there is a danger of that?
No.
You're talking about what they call telepathic overlay.
Yeah.
And in my training, that was given no credence.
I don't believe that's an issue.
You're talking about mind-to-mind transfer that your thought has enough power to overwhelm what the target is.
And that's never been proven.
You can't prove that.
Never been proven.
Well, let's not say you can't prove.
There might be a test, a way to test that.
I'm not saying either, you know, I'm not saying there is.
I'm just saying that it's never been.
Yeah, I understand.
Okay, fair enough.
Here's what I'm...
This gets into remote influencing and telepathy.
Telepathy's never been proven.
I don't think remote viewing is telepathy.
How much gain does your thought have?
I mean, for someone to be thinking something and have that thought intrude to another person's consciousness is a very profound feat.
It's easier said than done.
That may be the case.
I actually think we're like basically radio receivers and also we broadcast and we take in information as well.
Then the question would be, I'm not saying it can't happen, the question is how much gain does your thought have?
Well, I mean, this gets into mind control, believe it or not.
I mean, seriously, you know, we're really talking and, of course, you know, dark magicians or even light magicians have possibly worked along these lines.
I mean, we're talking about and, you know, the bottom line is that there is evidence.
I mean, you know, men who stare at goats and whatnot depends how far out on the limb you want to go.
And I understand You have certain protocols, but...
Yeah, well, The Men and Steric Goats, that was my teacher.
Okay, fair enough.
That was my teacher.
All right, well...
That movie was based...
If you...
Did he ever walk through the wall?
The credits of that movie...
My character was based on my future.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
In other words, if you can remote influence, then you can.
I mean, it gets into mind control.
It's that simple.
And black magic, look, even voodoo.
You're aware of voodoo, right?
A very old religion in which they take a doll or whatever and they...
Try to influence behavior in the remote target and so on and so forth.
So, you know, there's these kinds of things.
Now, I know that this doesn't go into your everyday remote viewing sessions, but, you know...
It gets into something that's called...
Yeah.
It's called entrainment.
And you know what the military did, and Jim, you would know better if you were in the military...
The military is not going to say, we're going to go on to achieve an altered state.
The military wouldn't allow that.
They're going to come up with a technical name for it.
In my form of remote viewing, there was a thing we did called off-gassing.
It was a breathing exercise to get your carbon dioxide levels down so that you would stop Breathing, you actually stop breathing for a moment, and that would put you into an altered state.
Now, this is something that probably monks, shaman, mystics have been doing throughout the ages, but the military is not about to admit that that's what they're doing.
They're going to come over with some other terminology.
Well, actually, you know, and it's kind of funny, but I have a physicist.
He worked in black projects.
His name is Richard Allen Miller.
I don't know if you know him.
But he does what he calls PsyTech.
And he comes from a family of psychics.
His mother apparently was quite a well-known psychic or grandmother.
And he himself has good skills.
But he trained special forces in these PsyTech techniques.
Now, he's not in the discussion here.
I did ask him to be on PsyTech.
I don't know.
I don't see him.
He probably forgot.
At any rate, all I'm saying is, you know, and I know somebody else who trains special forces.
What we're talking about is there are techniques that you can be taught in areas like this that have to do with...
What you might say is remote influencing.
Maybe this is not something you were taught, and I don't want to get, you know, kind of bogged down on this side sort of issue or anything.
I'm just simply saying that you are aware of things like black magic and the ability to do voodoo, etc., right?
I have no personal experience in any of that.
I've done some interesting experiments where We went to Las Vegas and we watched a roulette wheel cough up 11 reds in a row when we were betting on red.
We didn't cause it to happen.
We watched it happen.
We observed it.
But we trained for, I think, six, eight months before we did that with a roulette wheel.
So, yeah, we've gotten into some pretty far out esoteric stuff that is beyond your normal remote viewing.
Right.
So I'm not arguing with you or I'm not, you know, denying all this.
I'm just saying that getting back to why viewers go wrong, I think viewers have bad sections.
Viewers run off on imagination.
Viewers are on target and off target.
And getting back to tasking, all viewers blame the targeteer when they do a bad thing.
Well, you queued that target.
You didn't do it.
You were confused.
They never want to admit that they didn't do a good remote.
But how can you blame the targeter if it's just a number, you know, a set of numbers?
Probably the targeter has the target in his mind.
Dave, before we get totally off of this, Influencing, promote influencing, let me ask you if you agree with me that we all influence people around us by our body language, by our energy, by what we say, by what we do, okay?
And in fact, I remember a science fiction story takes place in the future and everybody was highly telepathic or whatever, and when they waited, Punished criminals is put them in a big arena with these crowds of people and they would all concentrate and his arm would fall off or something, okay?
I mean, they were really physically doing stuff.
But we all influence people.
But would you agree with me that the average person, even if they got two or three or four people trying to remote influence them, they can always overcome that.
We all get feelings like you wake up in the morning and you go, gee, I don't even want to get out of bed.
But then most of us say, well, oops, I've got to go to work, I've got a job to do, and up and off we go.
So you can influence, but you can also overcome any of that influence.
Yeah, well, okay, I know an experiment that was ongoing for many years, and this was military remote viewers you guys have never heard of.
And a couple of them, I've never met them.
I kind of know who they are, but they're not, but they're really good.
They're really good.
This is a really interesting story.
They were contacted by the family of a young girl who perished in the Titanic.
She was on the Titanic.
Her name was Etta.
I can't remember her name.
She was a young Irish girl.
She was nine years old.
She was below decks on the Titanic.
And they remote viewed her.
And they saw that in the confusion she went to the lifeboats and she should have turned left, but she turned right.
And in the confusion she was lost and she didn't make it to the lifeboat.
She perished.
And these are guys that when they remote view, they don't get a concept or an idea They're there experientially.
They go out and it's like they're there.
They can smell the salt water and feel the cold in there.
So they watched this little girl over and over and over again.
And their experiment was they wanted to get her to turn left instead of right.
And what they were, the challenge for them is how do you When you're on scene as a remote viewer, they believe that you do have some part of you there that can affect the target.
But only a really little bit.
How do you get a little girl to turn left instead of right?
You have to go there and you have to resonate a feel.
I mean, what they believe is the best you can do is get a A primal feeling, fear, joy, you know, that type of thing.
And if you resonate that enough, they may pick that up.
But that's really hard.
Your gain is so little.
You can't just telepathically say, well, go left.
Save your life.
It's easier said than done.
Sure.
Yeah, I would agree with that much.
So at this moment, I'm sure people are curious, and we have a growing audience as we go here, but let's talk about this August event.
Let's talk about, you know, there's a lot of questions that I have about the setup, about why this particular viewing went public as opposed to all the others not, you know, in this group of stuff you call...
He called, what was it, Time Cross?
Yeah.
And so can you talk about, you guys had success, did you not, for the first three or four of these as part of this project?
Can you talk about that?
We started in April.
We started the viewing.
In April, we did sessions predicting May.
And they have been published prior...
They've been published all along.
It's just that people on the internet, we would put them up as an encrypted PDF file.
And then we would put them up as a YouTube file.
And here's what happened.
When you put a YouTube file up, it's given a time and date stamp.
When that's published, It gives it a stamp.
So if I make a YouTube video right now, and I put it on YouTube and it's published, YouTube says this was published at 5.12 p.m.
Wednesday, August 31st.
What we didn't know was we put it up as a private file, so we didn't want anyone to see it.
We were afraid that people looking at it would somehow affect the results.
So we wanted some way to verify that it had been published without people seeing it.
After June had elapsed, and it was the June prediction, Courtney changed that from a private video to a public video.
And by changing it to public, it changed the timestamp.
So people were saying, well, you didn't publish it ahead of time.
But we were legitimately doing it.
But it wasn't public.
I mean, if it wasn't public, it doesn't matter that he put it online.
The point is, it wasn't public.
He could also put the paper sessions up as PDF files that you could download to your computer.
You could download them to your computer.
Okay, so you're saying...
He did this on a study that was published in the Scientific Journal.
Where we did this, you would take the paper session and get it on your computer, but it was encrypted.
Then we would publish the encryption and you could go to your computer and see that you had it and verify.
Right, but the question is, for all the prior months, when did the public become informed of the actual viewings themselves?
I'm thinking at the end of the month as opposed to prior to the month actually taking place.
Yeah, well, we verified that the viewing was done ahead of time.
And Jim can vouch for us.
I mean, is anybody questioning that we didn't do any of this viewing ahead of time?
No, no, no.
The question is what Daz told me.
Why it was published.
No, well, actually, no.
What he said was that the prior month's viewings, you had published the results At the end of the month, like say you're going to remote view June.
You did the remote viewing just prior to the first of June.
And then you didn't publish it until the end of June.
So you didn't have what you've got for this August.
All the critics said, well, we don't believe that.
You're cheating somehow.
And so Courtney and I had a discussion, and Daz too.
And we said, man, these people, they're not going to believe this unless we put it up.
And so we said, screw it.
Put them up.
I don't care.
Put them up ahead of time.
It's like, here's the circus and we're going up on a high wire without a hand.
You can fail or succeed.
And I said, I'll take the lumps.
And Daz says, I'll take the lumps.
And Courtney said, okay, we'll be right or wrong.
We've been right so far.
So we started putting them up.
And I'll tell you that the video...
For the September event has been edited and will be up by probably midnight tonight.
So tomorrow you'll be able to watch all our sessions.
So to give Courtney credit, who else is doing this?
Who else is showing you the raw...
Who else shows any session work, let alone the raw...
No, I mean, it's great.
No, absolutely.
Have fun.
I've interviewed Courtney several times.
However, the question, you know, is really this August viewing and the fact that...
And just let me just set the stage here, and you can tell me if I'm saying something wrong here.
You know, because I studied it pretty well, the August one.
I had been out of town, so I was not party to the prior viewings, okay?
I had to find out.
I had to do catch-up to find out that you guys...
Started the thing in April.
You remote viewed, I guess, April.
I don't know if you did April, but April, May, June, and July.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Here, I'll tell you what we've done.
We...
Daz did a session in April that said a plane is going to crash in a desolate area.
He said a desert...
But Egypt Air went down in the ocean.
He said there's a plane that goes into erratic wild maneuvers and then crashes.
Egypt Air.
I did a session that showed big fires.
Multiple fires.
Firefighters trying to put fires out and they couldn't.
People evacuating.
People being displaced by fire.
In a place where there was tar in the land.
The land had tar in it.
And it was a city that had a very specific bridge.
I haven't published this out yet, but...
It was Fort McMurray, Canada.
There was a wildfire and 80,000 people were displaced.
And I remote viewed the specifics of that very well.
Okay, what month was that?
That was May.
We published those in April.
So our two sessions were a plane crashing and a fire.
All right.
And there was Egypt Air and there was the Fort McMurray fire.
I said, and this video's online, did you ever get a chance to watch that, the Pulse nightclub, my session on that?
I said there was going to be a place where there's a lot of music, a lot of people in a, not a huge, but not a small place, irregularly shaped, I drew it exactly, and alcohol, hip-hop music, and then an Arab man is going to cause a lot of death by exploding things.
And his wife's going to be involved, and there will be a shrine up after it.
I drew exactly the scene, and there's a video out on that.
So we did the Pulse nightclub.
That same month, Dad says, well, I see a bomb.
A bomb happening in a modern place with Western people that is an airport.
And there are three people that are going to perpetrate that.
And the next month, there was the Istanbul bombing.
And there's a video up for that, too.
He said three people.
Right.
So we've got you guys being accurate for the prior months prior to August.
Okay?
You agree?
Yep.
And then the next month, we did...
Three of us had mass demonstrations in the streets.
People taking to the streets with violence and being very upset, which was Black Lives Matter, the Turkey thing, anti-immigration.
All over the world, people were demonstrating.
Then Daz, interestingly enough, had a session that said there's a leader that's going to be making a big announcement outdoors.
With an iconic building behind him, and it's going to be a sad thing.
And Cameron resigned just days after he published that, standing in front of Number 10 Downing Street.
Right.
Okay, so now we get to August.
And Daz had a session that said, there are buildings being destroyed.
There's a building, at least one building, that collapses.
And there are people missing and there are people dead.
Wouldn't that be a summation of his work?
Have you seen his sessions?
I have.
I did analysis on it.
Das said structures with downward force collapse, many people missing, people killed.
That was his session.
Before you continue, let me ask you one question.
This is a very point-blank question.
There's three of you.
Do you think that all three of you hit the same target or do you think you hit different targets?
We're going over that right now because August isn't over.
Well, today's the last day of August.
I've got to break it to you.
Yeah.
So we need to go look at all this.
According to the tables that Courtney is putting out, and he just published them, the major events for August, and it's not a person selecting this.
Courtney has a way that it's gauged upon which events have the most news coverage on CNN, the New York Times, CNN International, a couple of news outlets.
So he tallied the results, and the biggest events were the earthquake in Egypt that killed, what, 150 people?
You mean Egypt or Italy, you mean?
Italy.
Did I say Egypt?
Yeah.
The earthquake in Italy.
And the continuing war in Syria.
Turkey invaded Syria.
Russia has been nonstop bombing Syria.
So what we feel the target is going to be and what we're finding in this, let me explain how it works.
The viewer is looking out over the horizon to what are going to be the big events.
There are a number of things that get your attention.
So the viewers may get different parts of several different events.
For example, in one month that I did the nightclub shooting in Orlando, there was also a sketch in my session that was identical to the avenue where that truck hit all the people.
I drew Nice, France.
Right.
I drew it just exactly.
So that leaked through.
So what were we viewing?
We feel that what we were viewing was the earthquake and the bombings in Syria.
Okay, well what happens to the water?
What happens is a viewer, and this is good I'm on because I can fess up for my own, my session had some bad data in it.
It had some things that right now look like didn't happen, isn't going to happen.
I had Obama addressing the nation That's right.
I haven't seen that.
That could have been my conscious mind getting in the way.
It could just be bad data.
Look, remote viewing is not 100%.
Remote viewers, even good ones, can go wrong.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
And, well, there's also the bay.
You said, I think it was you, who said there was some land jumping in out to a bay.
So water.
And I can tell you the Italy thing was landlocked, and so I believe is Syria.
Hey, tell them about your geographic remote viewing.
And that actually created Italy.
Well, yeah, I haven't...
I need to plot these out.
You know what I need to do is I've got a globe and I need to get on the internet.
I do...
Directional ideograms for that, and I haven't plotted that yet because the month wasn't over, so I'm given cities, so there will be more on this, but let me get back to something that I published out, and I don't think Courtney published it, and I wish he had.
In what month is it?
It's August.
In July, when I had completed my work, I looked at my work, I looked at DAS' work and I looked at Princess' work.
And I did consensus, low-level analysis.
So I said, alright.
I said something streaks in over the horizon like an asteroid, kinetic weapon, missile.
You saw it.
Did DAS have anything like that?
No, he didn't.
Did Princess have anything like that?
No, she didn't.
That gets tossed.
I had Obama addressing the nation because there was something that caused so much particulate up in the sky that it affected sunsets over the entire...
Northern Hemisphere.
Did Daz have that?
No, he didn't.
Did Princess have that?
No, she didn't.
Courtney's son, Aziz, is also a pretty good remote viewer, and he did a session that was also published halfway through the month.
But looking at all the work, you toss out that which is not verified by the other Well, that's an interesting approach.
I think that's a problem.
I'm just going to say, I appreciate that you're saying that you do that, but, you know, I don't think that's right.
Now, I'm going to tell you why.
Now, why do you guys do live sessions that are videotaped?
Right?
Am I mistaken in thinking that you actually were being videotaped as you did the session?
Right?
We were being videotaped as we did the sessions live.
Okay, now this is what I would say about that.
You spent a long time on an incoming object.
Princess spent a long time talking about what were basically objects in the sky.
They weren't coming in at a trajectory and hitting something, but they were up there.
So a lot of craft, apparently.
She could have been later in the scene, but nonetheless, you spent a long time.
You even said it comes in one direction.
You're drawing.
I've even got your drawing on the poster.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It comes in one direction.
In fact, I could put the poster on here.
You know, it comes in one direction, and then it seems to be shot even...
I don't know if it was shot off course, or it just goes in a completely opposite direction, and it hits the building.
Okay?
Okay.
Okay, so let's look at that from an analytical standpoint.
And if you look at Aziz Brown, he had a lumbering aircraft dropping some type of bomb.
So...
What is the consensus there reduced to its lowest value?
There are aircraft, there's something in the sky, and something drops and impacts.
Would you agree with that?
We have...
Yes.
The way I looked at it was, all the viewers said...
There was some type of forceful downward energy or motion.
The events happen in a dense urban environment.
The onset of the event is sudden and unexpected.
The location is generally quieter still prior to the event.
There is explosive energy in an urban area.
There are loud sounds, rumbles or booms.
Structures are demolished.
I had structures being demolished.
Daz had structures being demolished.
Princess had structures being demolished.
The event produces clouds of dust and particulate.
We all said there was cloudy, there was something in the air.
We all said there is loss of human life.
So, I have been urging Courtney, and I hope people do this, what I would have said, we would have said, okay, here's the raw data.
We're showing you all the data that the viewers got.
Keep in mind that not all the viewers, all the data is 100% accurate.
Sometimes viewers give it to you in metaphor.
Sometimes they make crap up.
Sometimes they're dead on.
Sometimes they're spectacularly right.
But what you can say from these, and I know this is true because I've been doing it 20 years.
I was trained by an analyst that did this for a real military intelligence unit and a real For the NSA. And I've done it on a lot of projects.
I've given presentations on it.
What we can say about the August event was what the viewers are telling you is that it's in an urban area.
There's downward energy or motion.
There are buildings demolished.
And there's loss of human life and people missing.
That's what's congruent to all the sessions.
And You can't go loudly off on all the other stuff.
And some of my data, I spent a lot of time on stuff that may have been flat out wrong.
That's the reality of remote viewing.
Okay?
Okay.
Now let's...
If the target is the earthquake in Italy, we describe that.
If the target is, and Courtney's tabulating right now, if the target is bombings in the war in Syria, We describe that.
What we're saying is the major events in August, the major news events involved destruction of buildings and loss of human life.
You've got to take it to that reduced of a level for remote viewing to work sometimes.
Can you explain to them about analytic overlay where the viewer sees something and then in his own mind or her own mind It throws an interpretation.
Okay, the viewers like to dress up information.
You're there on camera and there's a bit of ego involved.
And you perceive a furry animal with four legs.
And so one viewer wants to really Show they've got what it takes, and they get that, and their mind cues on it.
This is a Pekingese puppy with a bow tie in its hair.
The other viewer says, there's a four-legged furry animal.
It's kind of small.
It's a Persian cat with long, flowing hair.
And another viewer might say, this is a bunny rabbit.
So one viewer will tell you a whole story about the bunny rabbit.
The other viewer will tell you a whole story about a Pekingese cat.
The other will tell you a cute little doggy.
What you get from analysis is a furry mammal with four legs that's small.
That's all you can say about it.
And if it's a rabbit, that's true.
If it's a Pekingese, it's true.
If it's a Cheshire cat, it's true.
That's the reality of remote viewing and that's one of the most vital things that I was trained in.
Part of what we're doing with this is an experiment and we're doing it in public for everyone to see.
We're learning a lot and we're going to learn a lot from this.
Absolutely.
Courtney and I had a lot of discussions because when we looked at this Data, when it came in and we put it up, like, we all seem to be seeing the same thing.
It looks like something big is going to happen, where a city is going to be destroyed.
And we didn't know what to make of it.
And we were going like, I, at the end of my session, actually said, man, I don't know if we should publish this.
I don't know if I'm right or wrong.
It might be part right, it might be part wrong.
So we're learning as we go.
Okay, I appreciate that.
Now, let me give Jim a chance to weigh in here.
Jim, I don't know how much time you spent on looking at their viewing of August.
I hope you spent some time in preparation for this discussion.
What are your thoughts on all of it?
Well, like what Dick was explaining and what I've said before is that Remote viewing has not yet reached the level of science, and it is more of an art form.
And as an art form, then, you know, different people have different interpretations and different ways of looking at it.
I have been following this TimeCross experiment since the very beginning.
In fact, I was actually involved in it, and then they decided I wasn't a very good tasker, so...
They turned it over to a computer.
But that's fine because what they are striving for is something that does have a firm basis.
I personally give them a number one I know Dick Allgaire pretty well.
I know Courtney pretty well.
I met Courtney on occasion.
And I do not know Dez.
I do not know Francis.
But I guarantee you from what I do know in my background and knowledge of remote viewing, they are doing the very best they can and they're making it public.
They're transparent about what they're doing.
Think how easy it would be on these three or four months where they really had good hits.
Watch the video.
Dick Allgaier predicting the Orlando shooting at the nightclub in May, a month before.
Just go look at it.
It's up on YouTube.
Make up your own mind, but they're being open and honest with this whole thing.
Well, look, you act like that's an unusual thing, and I appreciate that because maybe we have a jaded view of humanity at this point, but the reality is we would hope if you're going to bother to go public with something and demonstrate it before people that you're not going to be a charlatan, you're not going to be...
A con guy.
You know, these guys are honest.
They better be honest.
I mean, we expect them to be honest, you know, in all fairness.
Now, I know that that's not the rule.
Let me ask you...
Not in government and not in corporate America.
Well, yeah, you've got Courtney who's a PhD.
I don't think saying other people are dishonest is good.
good I have a reputation as a journalist for well not that that's a very good but and I'm not I've never profited from remote viewing so I'm not trying to I'm not trying to sell you anything folks absolutely Absolutely.
Well, you know, but this is, you know, I'm doing this because it's a learning experience, in my view.
Yeah, that's why we're doing it.
And I'm very interested in the fact that you are demonstrating this for the public, and I am a fan of, you could call me a fan if you'd like, of remote viewing of the process.
You know, I think there's a lot more to it than people will let you know and all of that, but...
I want to widen people's understanding of what we're capable of, humanity.
And I don't know if you know the web bot that Cliff High does, but I can tell you that the whole premise behind that is that humanity is basically psychic.
And that we are precogs and that you can look at the future and that in our conversation, whether we like it or not, at some point we're going to touch on things that may, you know, it is said that the present time contains all the elements of the future in every moment.
And so if you're astute enough, you can actually drill down there.
And so I do want to look at all of this from the standpoint of it's a learning experience.
It's an exciting thing to be doing.
When you guys came forward in the beginning of August, we had 30 whole days or 31 days to look and see whether your viewing was going to be accurate and how accurate.
And I have to say, this is interesting because you can talk about, you know, a little white animal and you can say it's a rabbit or a cat or a dog or whatever.
But strangely enough, your other viewings were actually quite accurate.
In other words, they were dead on in some cases.
Now, I'm going to say there are a number of elements in this show And this goes for you, for Daz.
I don't know about Princess in the other four or five viewings, but I can say that the details were there.
Now, I'm wondering about August.
I think it's fascinating that it's too general.
You know, saying you've all got buildings falling down is not good enough for me.
Saying throw out the bay, that's not good enough for me.
Saying throw out the incoming object that comes and then goes, that's not good enough for me.
And I have to say, I'm going to give you more credit than that.
I'm going to say you're more accurate.
Why are you so accurate in these other ones?
And what happened to the building that looked like the White House?
What happened to the triangular building that I think at least two of you got?
I don't think that that old Italian town has those buildings.
And I'm telling you, it's not near water.
So I think it's a cop-out.
I'm sorry.
I think it's a cop-out.
If you guys say...
You're as good as your last session.
I get it.
I get it.
I'll tell you what.
David Ortiz is going to the Hall of Fame as the best designated hitter in history.
He can sit up there and once every 10 at-bats hit a home run.
But sometimes he strikes out.
Alright.
Fair enough.
I would say...
Go look at Daz's session.
Go look at Daz's session.
Every word of it, everything he draws for August.
Look at that very carefully.
And then go Google the Italian earthquake.
Sure.
Think, when's the last time there was an earthquake that...
I mean, there are earthquakes.
There will be other earthquakes.
But...
And I ask Courtney, he's a statistician.
What's the odds there hasn't been an earthquake like that in August?
Many, many months.
I may be the...
Okay, but...
I may be the goat on this one.
My section really doesn't look to be that good.
But here's something else to consider, and I'm not making excuses.
Maybe we're not aware of it.
No.
In consciousness, there is no September 1st and August.
There's no delineation between September 31st What I found in my work is that you can be pretty accurate 90 days out.
So there may be something else that might happen at the end of this month or even next month.
Sure.
And we may be coming back going, holy crap.
Or I may have stood there.
Let me tell you from the standpoint of a remote viewer, this is very difficult.
This is not easy.
To put up a video camera and lights and get a dry erase and stay there for an hour.
Okay.
And what happened was...
This is new to us.
We did it in April, May, June.
So now we're getting on.
July was the craziest news month anyone's ever seen.
There was the Nice attack, the Orlando this and that.
There was so many...
The Dallas shootings.
It was one thing after another.
So here we are as remote viewers.
We're watching all these news events, just one after another.
We're watching our sessions, and then we've got to sit down and quiet our mind and say, what's going to happen next month?
Which is really not how remote viewing is supposed to be done.
So it may have been that I stood there and went, gee, what could top that?
It may have been a bomb in Syria.
I said, really?
Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot.
Well, it could be a high-explosive bomb.
If you're right next to it, that would seem like the end of the world to you.
It is the end of the world to anyone who's in the vicinity of the thing.
You've got to reduce the data.
I don't know.
We're still figuring out what happened.
Today is only the last day of the month.
I need to review every bit of my session and compare it to what Courtney determines will be the target.
This conversation is really a little bit premature.
Let's wait four months down the line.
Let's wait five months down the line.
And maybe this is the one strikeout.
Also, let me point out that in my research and studying with the military remote viewers, The time factor was huge.
That was one of the biggest problems they had.
They could go back in time, a little bit forward in time, but they never really knew what time, what month, what day it actually was.
In fact, as I recall, most of them told me that the only gauge they could get on what time period they were in was to look at the clothing and the transportation.
If it's a horse and buggy, that's one thing.
They're wearing tall, hot hats.
That's another.
And so time is a real factor there.
Because, see, all of this is happening at the same time.
The viewer is going to, in the entire universe, and based on the target, he's heading to that target, and he is the needle on the phonograph record, okay?
Sure.
Always there, but he's in these different places, and he's never quite sure exactly When and where he is.
Where is not too difficult.
If everything's wide and frozen, you can say, well, I'm at the North Pole, okay?
But if you're in a tropical jungle or if you're in a desert area, you really don't know where you are until you have input.
You know, if you see a desert, you don't know.
If you see a desert and you see a caravan of camels, you can pretty much figure maybe I'm in North Africa.
Okay, but time and space are big problems, and I think we should be questioning.
I think, Carrie, you said it yourself.
This is a learning experience, and we should treat it as a learning experience.
And not, you know, not hold people's feet to the fire.
Well, I mean, we're not trying to hold anybody's feet to the fire.
Actually, I'm actually erring on the opposite side.
I'm actually saying Dick is more accurate than he's willing to give himself credit for.
If you think, if you gel down what I'm saying here.
The bottom line here is that there are some anomalies.
Now, let's talk about Princess's viewing because hers was particularly interesting and I'm not sure It even fits at all, again, on the Italian thing, and I don't think it fits in Syria necessarily either.
What she ended up was she had a number of craft in the skies, for one, and she also said that the people were speaking English.
There were white people and also brown-skinned people.
People as she noted it.
And she said a few other things.
She did demarcate, as I recall, on the ground, something that had made some kind of impact.
She didn't elaborate on the thing coming in or any of that sort of thing, but she did say there was something that had some impact.
And she also described some very specific buildings, a triangular one for one thing.
Now, both you actually, Dick, in terms of, let's just talk about the geography because it was interesting.
From what I understand, as I recall, Daz circled the lower half of the globe.
Someone showed me that.
You, Dick, actually had the word Sandia written on one of the pieces' paper.
You said there, and Princess, this reminds me of Princess, she said there's a military base or installation right near This target.
And she stressed that over and over again.
The military.
Again, I don't see that in Italy.
That would fit Syria.
Well, not...
Because we said there was a whole description of people...
Turkey invaded Syria in August.
Right, but do we see them...
Are they bombing big cities?
Oh, yes.
I don't know.
Oh, oh.
Go look at Aleppo.
Aleppo is whole parts of the city are just cratered ruins.
All right.
But to get back to Princess.
We're going to have a presentation on this.
Yeah, and I appreciate that.
You know, I'm just saying, and to get back to Princess, she was talking, or someone was talking about what sounded like an underground base.
Maybe it was you, Dick.
You said it wasn't NORAD, but it was someplace like that where they had a room full of computers.
Right?
Remember that?
So we've got that aspect.
Look, it's very interesting when, again, there's the one half, you've got the remote viewing, okay?
And you've got all the details that go with that.
And then you've got a track record, right?
And yes, I completely agree.
Look, sometimes you're dead on with remote viewing and sometimes you're way off.
And sometimes maybe you're a little of both.
I don't know.
So it could be a situation like that.
Now, we've been going for a while, and I want to give the people in the chat a chance to ask you guys questions, if you don't mind, to keep you a little longer.
Okay.
I had a domed building, right, in a place that had been bombed.
Yeah, you said it looked like the White House.
Uh-huh.
That's where the war is going on and Russian bombs are falling.
So we're going to do a presentation on this.
There won't be more to come out, but...
What questions do we have?
It would be interesting to hear what people think about this.
All right.
And let me just say that, you know, it's very interesting because we are drawing attention.
You know, this show and any other shows you do, I'm sure, will draw attention to what you guys are doing over with Courtney.
And that'll help your cause.
It'll also get more viewers, which ought to help you with funding the more interest there is in this sort of thing.
The more the public can help contribute.
So I wouldn't sell this kind of process short.
I think it's very important that we have these kind of dialogues.
As far as questions, let me just look very quickly.
Someone wants to know, why don't you remote view the Vatican Library?
So I guess this is aimed at Dick.
Well...
First of all, I don't pick my targets.
You can't be front-loaded.
Actually, this time-crossed target is a little bit front-loaded.
It would better be done if we were given, and we're thinking of doing this, having the viewers do three validation targets, like the Brooklyn Bridge, anything that's happening mundane, and then the big news event, so that we don't know that we're looking at the big news event.
So, back to the Vatican Library, I can't self-task, so someone would need to give me that target, and what would you expect a remote viewer to get, Jim?
If I remote viewed the Vatican Library, I'd have a bunch of dusty old books, mildewy smell, old, religious, fetal, historical, ancient, a lot of books.
Right, and probably in some language you don't understand, like Latin.
Yeah.
So if the questioner is asking, can we go in the Vatican Library and learn all the secrets, the answer probably is no.
All right.
Yeah, that would be a big library, and there's a lot of old dusty books.
Alright, well, there may be some relics, some very specific relics in that place.
Well, an interesting remote viewing would be to take one of the relics and test that.
An interesting thing to do would be to take one of those relics and put it in the viewer's hand and let them hold it.
And do a session and go, what do you pick up from that?
That's called psychometry.
And I know someone that did that quite successfully.
So there are different ways to skin a cat.
Okay.
But yeah, it would be tough to go into a library and explain what's in every book that's in a foreign language.
Sure.
You might get, yeah, oh, there's something secret, there's something to do with history, but Alright, now, let me see.
Someone else wants to know, have you seen other remote viewers in the same place, remote viewing at the same time?
I have not.
I've heard of a military remote viewers that used to play a game.
They would go to, they would play TAG, On target.
One would go to target, another would go to target, and they'd try to find it and then gotcha.
They'd play gotcha.
They'd try to get up and do something like that.
But let me tell you that that level of target contact is amazing.
It's beyond the skill of most remote viewers.
It's probably beyond my skill.
And let me say this.
I don't...
I've asked the person that trained me many times, like, What's the real secret?
And he would change the subject.
I think, Jim, you'll like this.
I think there are technologies that our government employs, something to do with tones, frequencies, and biofeedback that they can apply to you that can put you right on target.
Right on target so you're there experientially.
And that's not been released.
I think that what they released was a watered-down form of remote viewing that lets you get some ideas and some concepts and you can't do too much harm.
But the real stuff, they're still using it and they're not letting it out.
Absolutely.
I have no question in my mind that that's absolutely true.
In fact, as I understand it, Now, if you ask the government, you know, are you still studying remote viewing or do you have a group or a unit that's doing that, they'll say no.
And technically, they may be right, but as I understand it, they have individual remote viewers within various departments, within various agencies, maybe like in the Rangers and the Delta Force and, you know, the Navy.
They're all doing this.
And the thing is, Of course you'd want this.
If you're in a military situation, you'd take any information you could get if you thought it'd help you figure out what's on the other side of the hill, right?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
If it's something that works, every branch...
I've talked to...
I've heard that the rangers, army rangers use it.
I've heard that SEALs use it.
I've talked to guys.
Yeah, I was in a I've been told by people that know that we're part of other units.
Also, we have technology, just like what you were saying.
We have technology that's far beyond what's made public.
Well, we've got super soldiers that are trained as psychic spies, you know, and this goes beyond remote viewing, you know, and they're not sitting there with a piece of paper either.
They're out in the field.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's an interesting process when you really get down to it.
All I can say is that we don't know for sure that's happening because it's not public.
Well, I interview, you know, I mean, my job is interviewing whistleblowers about this.
Right.
But there's no question we have the capability.
All right.
Let me just ask you, you know, it is interesting because, Dick, this is a question for you.
Do you find or have you had discussions with Daz and Princess and other viewers that you're working with and finding out that they're using a completely different method than you are?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Daz Smith is self-taught.
Okay.
Daz Smith has read the CRV manual and Talked with Ingo, talked with Lynn Buchanan, Paul Smith, and was never formally trained.
Right.
My tip of the hat to Dad Smith, my friend.
He and I used to have nasty drag-out arguments on the Internet.
We would have flame wars.
You know, about the derivation of remote viewing and which worked and which didn't and which, you know, whether this history was true or not.
And one day, I looked at Daz Smith and I said, and it got kind of nasty at one point, and I realized, you know, if I sat down and had a beer with Daz Smith, we have such overlapping interests.
I bet he's a nice guy.
Why the hell are we fighting So we made peace and we started working together.
And we do use completely different methods, but they're complementary.
And Daz is a really nice guy.
He's helped me with a lot of things and I consider him a good friend now.
He's doing some artwork for me.
He's a graphics artist.
He does all the posters for our projects.
Excellent.
He's a great graphic designer.
Yeah, well, I mean, he seems like a delightful guy, that's for sure.
And, you know, Jim Mars is a delightful guy.
Listen, Jim, have you, you know, you said you taught it.
You must have gone down that road a lot farther than you're letting on if you ended up teaching it.
Can you tell us a little bit more how that happened?
How'd you end up being a teacher of remote viewing?
Well, people are Wanted to know about it.
And since I knew somewhat about it, in fact, I was there for my book, Sci-Spies.
I interviewed everybody from Hal Puthoff to Ingo Swann to the pig.
But it was not easy because at the time I was actively investigating in the early 90s, this was a secret government classified program.
And a lot of people wouldn't talk.
Some people would talk a little bit.
And they go off the record and they go on the record.
Dave Morehouse and Mel Reilly were determined to get the story out because they said this is too important.
And this is how I got onto it in the whole first place.
Anyway, as a journalist, when I first heard about remote viewing, I just went, what?
And I'm thinking, okay, this is either or.
This is either a phony deal, in which case this is the biggest waste of taxpayer money ever, and it's a good story.
Or it is real, in which case this could be an evolutionary leap for humankind.
Okay?
And I want to tell you something after all the time I put into it.
It's an evolutionary leap for humankind.
And that's why we need to stick with it and we need to learn about it.
And that's why deep darkness of the federal government within the military, you better damn well know, they're using it, and they're using it effectively.
And I'm just glad there's people like Dick.
Absolutely.
Well, listen, do you guys know about SRI and the targeting that Hal Pudov and Ingo Swan dealt with?
Ingo was given a target that was underground.
It was this machine, and he was told to go in and actually get the machine.
I can't remember what kind of machine.
It was some kind of weird with a needle.
A magnometer.
It's very sensitive.
It picks up waves, underground waves, okay?
And yes, he was targeted to see if he could make the machine move a little bit, and it did.
Yeah, he did it.
But let me tell you, the one that I remember from SRI that they were doing, Well, there's two things first before I tell you this.
Number one, they found out what Dick has already told you, which is we all have this capability, okay?
Some more than others.
Some more naturally.
Some need more training, but we can all do it, okay?
Two, this is one that blows me away.
It's not limited by time or space.
You can go back and look at things in the past.
You can go forward and look at things in the future.
You can go out all the way to space.
Ingo Swann, another fellow in the early 70s, went out and remote viewed Jupiter and said that, oh, there's a ring around it.
Well, we didn't know that.
It's got a magnetic field.
We didn't know that.
It's got mountains and big clouds and mountains, high mountains under there.
We didn't know that.
So everybody went, well, that's interesting.
But then in the late 70s, Forger 1 went out there and starts broadcasting back data and pictures from Jupiter, and there's a ring, and there's the magnetic field.
It's exactly what they said.
So we know it's real.
Yeah.
What blows me away at SRI was how they would have a team of people and then they would have the viewer, the tasker, pick a destination.
And then they would pick out the destination and then they would call or send a message to the people out there and say, okay, your target.
And they were supposed to go to the target.
Okay, now what happened was though is that they several times they ended up at the target before they were contacted.
Before they were told where the target was and they began to realize that this is truly a psychic phenomenon in that it is in the entire universal energy mass that's all around us and therefore when When the target is not the thing, it's the tasker.
Because when the tasker decides on whatever the target's going to be, then that's a thought form, and it goes out on the energy field, and then it's up to the viewer who is sensitive enough, trained enough, to pick it up out of the energy field.
And then, as you can see, there's plenty of points, there's plenty of places where it can go wrong.
But if you do it right, and if you follow that Because, see, we're all energy bits.
We're pixels.
We're bits, okay, of energy.
And we all know this.
We have an energy field all around our body.
And that's why I say when you're talking about influence people, just coming into contact with somebody is going to influence them one way or another.
All right?
Yes.
But just like in your computer, the one bite is not necessarily any big deal.
But when you put a million of them together, you got AI. You got a conscious thinking, calculating thing, and this is exactly what's happening in macrovision in the universe.
Absolutely.
Well, you know, there is the idea that even physicists might concur with this, that all time and space are one.
So if that is true, Then in theory, every target that it's been chosen has technically already exists in time.
Time is not linear the way we think of it.
That's just our construction.
The reality is time is simultaneous.
So that actually further confuses the issue, I would say.
I use the analogy of the 33 RPM photograph record.
There's the universe.
And the needle is where we are.
And this is all we know.
All we know is the three-dimensional place that our consciousness is pegged in the universe, but everything else is already there.
Past, present, future, it's all there.
It's where we put your consciousness.
And Dick and these people who are really good, they're able to shift their consciousness.
Here's one of the cool things Courtney has been doing, or has done, and he did a scientific...
A paper that was presented in a science journal, was he would have viewers do the session before it was tasked.
So you'd sit down and do a session, and then document it, and then the tasker, without seeing the work and knowing anything what they did, they'd pick the target after, proving that it doesn't, you don't, you know, it's off the timing.
It's not linear.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
So someone else is saying, is it where you focus your intention?
What do you think about that?
You think that has anything to do with the target?
Your intent has everything to do with it.
That's right.
Well, but in the process of being a remote viewer, you're supposed to be flying blind.
You're supposed to go into a dark room, and the first thing you're supposed to do, step by step, is not even name what you see and feel, other than, you know, it's rough, it's smooth, it's cold, it's wet, all these things.
Wouldn't you agree?
I mean, these are the protocols, yeah?
Well...
I'll tell you how my protocols are different.
The first thing I do, you can see, is I visualize the target ID, then I close my eyes for 1.5 seconds, and the first thing I see, I grab a visual.
My method of remote viewing is based on visual imagery, and there are many who teach remote viewing who claim you can't do that.
That's not right, but I guarantee The best remote viewers close their eyes and see it.
And just get it.
And you can do that.
You don't let them tell you you can't see the target.
Because I have...
I'm probably the most published remote viewer in the world in terms of my sessions.
Because for 20 years the group I worked with put my sessions up.
I've done conferences.
I've done videos.
You can see more of my work, and you can see a lot of work where what I drew, Jim saw it in the Kennedy assassination, building some of the other stuff.
I saw it.
I mean, I didn't get a feeling of what it looked like, so that's my method, is close your eyes and look.
Now, I'll explain something to you.
In your alert consciousness, in your beta consciousness, In your everyday waking, engaging in conversation, you know, your beta consciousness, your ability to maintain the signal line is 1,001 that long.
Anything longer than that is imagination.
If I say to you, Kerry, close your eyes and imagine Hillary Clinton in a polka dot pantsuit.
Oh, that was a bad one.
Picture four clowns on unicycles doing loop-de-loops on a slide.
You can make a mental picture of that, but it takes you a couple seconds for your brain to create that.
The signal line from remote viewing is instantaneous, and it only lasts for that long in a beta awareness.
In my method, you work for about 30-40 minutes getting these quick, quick probes and these quick looks and quick sensory, the sound, the smell.
And after you've been working the target 40 minutes to an hour, you're tired.
You're caught up.
The data's catching up to you.
You're caught up in it.
Your attention has gone to that.
Then you're proceeding into an alpha awareness, which is daydreaming.
It's reading a good book and you're caught up in the story.
Aware of turning the pages.
You're just drifting off.
You're still working pen and paper, but you're able to close your eyes and then you can get it for a few seconds.
Then when you finish your paper session and you're really tired, there's a mental activity.
I'm not going to teach it here to tell you, but it's a visualization.
It's a breathing thing you do that puts you into theta.
That moment just before you fall asleep and you are able to maintain that That's where it gets experiential.
That's where the dreamlike state starts.
The method that I use is so brilliant because it takes you from that alert state with a pen and paper working rapid fire and every movement of your head, every movement of your eyes, everything you do in a certain order is all structured.
And then it gradually goes into that free-flowing thing.
And it's what works for me, and it's only been taught by this guy that learned it in the U.S. Army Special Forces.
They developed it separately from the INGO. Okay.
Jim Mars, do you use...
Thank you for...
That was excellent information.
Listen, Jim, do you use a completely different method than that yourself?
I don't have a method.
Oh, yeah?
You know, in fact, it's kind of like physical exercise.
We all know we should get up and physically exercise every day, but most of us don't do it.
It's the same thing here.
I would love to sit down every day and have a remote viewing session, but frankly, I don't have the time, and so I just don't do this.
But I will give you an interesting story on one time when I was trying to teach people very rudimentary protocols.
What Dick just said is amazing, and this is it.
And you have to understand, it's different for every person.
We all get to the same place, but they come at it from a different route.
But when I was teaching, when this old fellow brought his buddy with him, an older guy, a guy in his 80s, okay?
And this guy sat there glassy-eyed the whole time.
And we got ready to try to go and practice a little bit on some targets.
And he finally came up to me and he said, I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
He said, I don't understand any of this, you know?
And I said, okay, all right.
I said, let's try this.
So I sat him down.
His target was the bush garden, okay?
Which is a theme park of that price, okay?
So I said, look, sir.
I said, I'll tell you what.
Don't think about anything.
I'm going to ask you some questions and you just answer the first thing that comes off your mind.
Don't stop thinking about it.
Don't question.
Just say whatever.
I said, is this person's place a thing?
He said, a place.
I said, you know, are there a lot of people there or no people?
A lot of people.
Do you see green?
Yes.
Do you see yellow?
Yes.
And I went down about 25 questions and virtually every question he answered was correct.
To this target.
So it blew him away.
And yet he was pretty good.
I can explain that.
And this is what remote viewing is.
Remote viewing is a structured way to have your conscious mind query your subconscious.
And in that instantaneous moment that you do something to prompt your You can probe an ideogram.
You can probe an icon.
You could take two cockroach legs and throw them down, and the minute they hit, close your eyes, and if that's the way you taught yourself.
It's just all arbitrary.
You're teaching yourself to open a communication pathway with your subconscious and get that communication going.
So what you did with your friend, Jim, was you prompted him to open that communication pathway.
He trusted his first Without thinking about it, trusted his first impression.
You know, so your gut feeling.
It's a natural thing.
Carrie, I have an interesting story for you.
I was given a target.
I do a lot of validation targets.
You should do mostly validation targets as a remote viewer, or your skills will degrade.
You can't do time cross.
You can't do the missing person.
You can't do the base on Mars over and over again.
It will...
You'll become whacked out.
Okay, so I do a lot of validation targets.
Well, somebody sent me a target and said, okay, I just want to do a standard validation target.
So I'm sitting down and I'm working it.
And this was a...
It was March 9th.
No, it was March 10th a few years back.
And so I looked and I saw this shape.
I drew it.
I sensed...
Tan, brown.
I get real quiet.
It didn't seem like a very interesting target.
I got a landform that was very old, geologic, a mountain.
I didn't see any people.
I didn't see any structures.
I didn't sense much to it.
But I did a couple pages on this, drawing a general landform like a mountain.
And then all of a sudden, something really started catching my attention.
And that was, there's a lot of water.
There's a lot of water surging forward powerfully.
And then I said, boy, this is dangerous.
There's a lot of screaming.
And then I looked, and I had an incredibly clear visual of a square building.
A square building with a window with smoke pouring out of it.
And I drew that.
As I'd seen it.
It was really clear.
I can still see it when I look at it.
And I probed and I said, this is like the containment building.
This is deadly poison that's poisoning the land.
Got a lot of stuff to do with that.
I finished my session and I mailed it to the guy and he sent me feedback.
The target that he had given me was Shipwreck Mountain.
It's a famous landform that is sacred to some Indians.
I think that's the name of it.
It was a sacred mountain to Indians.
It was basically a very spine of earth and very geologic as Brown.
And I had gotten that in the first two pages.
And the other stuff, I was like, well, that was off.
I saw the smoke coming out of the building.
I had this danger and bad containment building and everything.
I didn't think a nuclear reactor because we all know nuclear reactors have this shape, you know, that hourglass shape.
And I put the session away.
It was March 10th, 2011, or whatever the date was.
The next day, no, it was like three hours later, I turned on CNN. There had been a major tsunami in Japan.
And I started watching that.
In later days, we didn't know anything about Fukushima at that time.
It wasn't until days later that they said, well, there's been a problem at the Fukushima, and they showed this square building with the clouds on it, with the cloud smoke coming out.
I think I should get that sketch.
I never knew that nuclear reactor buildings, containment buildings, were square, but they are in Japan.
I drew that exactly so.
I was tasked And my intent was to view Shipwreck Mountain, which I did, and I didn't find it interesting.
My subconscious said to me, hey, look over here.
This is real important.
Get that.
And I drew the tsunami and the meltdown of the...
Right.
There you go.
Absolutely.
Well, that's why I would not throw in the towel on your remote viewing of August just yet and the very specific details you came up with because...
It might just be a look over there, that something else that we haven't come across that might match it perfectly.
I mean, look, I'm with you.
I don't want to see some disaster, you know, but just in terms of the science of the effort that's being made here, you know, and tracking and all of that, you know, it is very worthwhile to look at the details, in my opinion.
And there may be something there that we're missing.
So there can also be covert, you know, I certainly understand that there's covert projects.
Projects we know nothing about, for example.
You know what I mean?
So in this case, there could be something going on that we don't know about that...
Something might show up.
That's why one person did come up with...
I guess I can't remember if I told you or not, but it was on my website.
The Dragon capsule is on its way back.
Now, I don't know if it landed yet.
It might have.
It was supposed to come back on the 26th of August.
That's the SpaceX Dragon capsule.
And one of the things you said in your viewing was supersonic.
It comes in supersonic.
Use those words.
And I looked up supersonic and I saw that commercial airplanes don't go supersonic.
So it had to be something going at that speed.
If it was going to, you know, comply with your viewing.
So far, of course, we don't know what that would be, but it did occur to me that if it was the capsule on the way back to Earth, it's supposed to splash down off the coast of Baja.
One of the things you had in your viewing also was a very coarse piece of land that seemed to be all chopped up, and it was not clear to me whether or not you were saying that the piece of land that was all kind of torn up Was torn up as a result of something that happened that you were viewing at that time, or whether it was an old piece of land that just was all torn up looking.
So it's not clear, but you did spend some time drawing it, which is interesting.
And again, we don't know what that relates to.
But listen, this has been fascinating for me.
I don't know about you guys, and I've enjoyed hearing both your stories.
And it's been great to have the two of you on the show.
I am skimming very quickly over the chat here to see if there's any other questions I might have missed.
One person did want to know, Dick, I guess maybe you wear headphones when you're filmed, and they're wondering what's going through your headphones when you're doing the viewing.
Anything?
Yes.
It's a soundtrack called Atlantean Sounds.
I've used it for...
Somebody will be Googling that right now.
It may still be available.
It was a DVD that I bought probably 15 years ago.
And here's why.
I don't use it very loud, but as a cool-down, I listen to...
There are a number of tracks that induce theta...
type of where alpha theta tones soft music wave sounds heartbeats this one is a particular one that i like that has a it starts out with like a organ and then a heartbeat and then weird sounds and then rushing surf and then it eventually gets to be the most irritating sound it's It's almost like a projector going...
That's going on in my ear.
What that does is it reminds me of the state I need to be in.
I sit there and listen to that.
I get the camera all set up.
I meditate.
I listen to this for about 10 or 15 minutes.
I've got that going on.
It entrains my brain to get me back into that thought pattern.
It's a soundtrack to help me out.
Fascinating.
Alright, so good catch on that question.
It's whatever floats your boat.
I know talking to the old military remote viewers, I was amazed because...
One person would like to go out and hug trees, okay, be out in nature.
Another person wanted to sit in a chair.
Another one wanted to lay down.
Another one wanted to listen to classical music, which made a lot of sense.
But another one wanted to listen to heavy metal, which never made sense to me.
I know one that, yeah, Black Sabbath exclusively.
There you go.
So, hey, whatever achieves the end, that's what they do.
Jim, sometimes I do this.
I found...
I did a little video on this.
I have a guitar that I tuned to a really weird open tuning.
It's a C minor seventh, I think.
It's just the most bizarre tuning and it doesn't fit...
I'm a guitar player.
I'm a musician.
It doesn't fit any of the scales or patterns that I am used to playing on my guitar.
So I sit down and play this and when I can play a...
find a weird melody...
In this tuning, my consciousness has gone over to a way that I'm more open for remote viewing.
It's a form of meditation for me, is to play in this strange tuning.
There's any number of ways to do it.
Excellent.
Okay, very good to know one of your secrets.
Sometimes you just change the pitch.
You know, Carrie, not long back somebody sent me a link to this YouTube Where they are playing the theme from the X-Files.
Remember?
But they play it in a major chord instead of a minor chord.
And it just changes the entire thing.
It's the most pleasant, wonderful, musical, lyrical stuff you've ever heard.
So it's just...
You've got all these intricate bits that can be changed around.
Well, Robert Monroe, right?
The Monroe Institute.
I mean, he was famous for doing all this kind of stuff, wasn't he?
And quite an out-of-body traveler.
Well, just before I let you go, do you guys do out-of-body with any expertise at all because of your skills in remote viewing?
Do you think it helps or hinders or has anything to do with it whatsoever?
I have fiddled around with the Monroe stuff and I've had some interesting experiences.
I meditate.
I work One target, you know, Jim, I don't know if I told you this, when I saw Oswald face-to-face in the Kennedy sessions, I did so many sessions, I was getting a massage, and I was laying face down,
and I just blackboarded, when I say blackboard, I mean I visualized, I looked on my little screen, the target idea over and over again while I was getting a massage, over and over again, and just drifted away, And I woke up.
I was on the sidewalk and this guy came up and looked right at me.
I was able to draw him.
Later I realized it was Oswald.
But it was so clear, so real, that I jumped up and the massage therapist was like, whoa, are you alright?
Yeah, I just had this.
So, yeah, it kicked off.
Absolutely.
A lot of interesting things.
Yeah, fascinating.
Well, what about you, Jim?
You do any out-of-body?
How much Heineken does he have?
Yeah, I was going to say only after a bottle of tequila, but...
All right.
No, no, I really haven't gotten that far from it, and I don't know.
I'm trying to keep one foot on the firm, solid ground and keep as much of my skepticism as I can So I can be a good journalist and a good reporter.
But, you know, we all know that there's things out there that are beyond our kin and that we don't know about.
And it's important, yeah, it's important to stay grounded.
And also, I always say, no matter how many sessions I do and show you, you're never going to believe it.
You'll say, well, you got to do it yourself.
And that's how I was taught.
My instructor never made any claims, never showed up.
It was years before I saw him do any work.
I know I can do it.
What good does it do you if I do it?
You do it yourself.
I'll teach you the protocol.
Close your eyes.
Look at this.
Here's a target.
And look at the feedback and see if you did it.
If you did it, then you'll believe.
And then after we'd done it a couple of years, Did something happen?
Do you believe something happened?
Yes, so we kept with it.
I was lucky because I met a, you know, there are a lot, I don't want to criticize other instructors, but my instructor taught me for years and years and years and years for free.
I received the equivalent of a college education, maybe a PhD level course, without having to pay for it.
It takes a long time and a lot of work.
You can go to a week-long or a weekend seminar and amaze yourself and get a little something and see that it works.
But to do it at a high level takes an incredible amount of time and effort.
It's why I haven't taught too much and I've always been hesitant to charge because If I would have paid my instructor, I would have paid him tens of thousands of dollars at $5 an hour.
Okay, well, you know, there are some people who think they've got questions.
Look, you've got to put your questions in all caps, and you need to put a question mark at the end.
So, let's see.
You want to know if you guys have ever RV'd, remote-viewed Planet X? Someone wants to know.
No.
Okay.
Let's see.
What else?
You know, some of this stuff is, if you have a question, you can go on to Courtney Brown.
Why don't we give them a plug?
The name of the website, is it Farsight.org?
Farsight.org.
Okay.
And that will lead you to the free, the current stuff is free, Timecross examples that are our YouTube videos.
And you can comment, you can ask questions on the YouTube videos or on Facebook and we'll answer them.
Courtney is quite a person.
He's very generous, very giving, brilliant, and he wants to change the world with remote viewing.
And he's done some of these projects that he charges for.
The Time Cross is free.
He's hoping people will buy the other ones to help fund the project.
Because it's a lot of work.
I mean, we put videos out and the viewers get a little money when they view.
And maintaining the website and buying cameras and everything.
Yeah, now...
Go ahead.
It says...
It's also very time-consuming.
And let's face it, time's money.
There's hardly anybody out there listening that's going to come out and put in a whole lot of time if they're not getting some compensation for it.
Yeah, okay.
Here's one for you, Jim.
Let's go down this road.
We know that if you start using remote viewing to make a lot of money, there's like a cosmic rule.
It ain't going to happen.
Well, try it.
We went to Las Vegas and we made tens of dollars.
If we upped it to thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars, there may have been...
Anytime a lot of money gets involved, it tends to screw it up.
That's true.
I've heard that.
That's why some of the better known psychics, the more they gain popularity and fame and fortune, the worse...
There's not capability yet.
Yeah, this is what I was getting to and what Kerry was asking about the August event.
It may be that if you start getting a big head about this, I was told never to do remote viewing to prove remote.
Never remote view to prove remote view.
Somebody says, prove it to me, do a session.
Don't ever do that.
And we may have gotten a situation with this that that's exactly what we're doing with time crossing.
We may have gotten a little Big-headed about this.
I'm putting these videos out about how great I did on the Orlando Pulse shooting, and it may be the universe slapping me upside the head.
Like, don't get a big head here.
Or, it might be...
We're still looking at this.
We'll see.
Yeah, no, it's fair enough.
Someone wants to know if you guys would remote view the November elections.
Um...
Well, that is purposely not going to be part of a Time Cross event because it's a scheduled event.
To remote view the election, I would say there's going to be people going in booths doing something.
There's going to be a lot of cheering people.
There's going to be someone giving a speech that's really happy and a lot of cheering, and it's political.
Yeah, but you're going to know, look, we've got a man and we've got a woman running against each other.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, you might actually get the chance.
Sure, absolutely.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard.
We don't usually do targets like that.
That would be an interesting one.
Here again, it's got to be...
Okay, I'll tell you a story about that.
I did a session for a guy.
He says, Dick, he was a member of my group, says, will you do a session for me?
I said, yeah.
I had no idea what it was, but I did the session and I saw rivers and industry.
I said, there's a city, there's a lot of buildings, it's industrial, it's like heavy industry associated with this, and there's rivers, there's water, there's bridges.
And I turned it in and he goes, thanks a lot.
I go, what was it?
He says, I'm not telling you.
I said, okay, well, how did I do?
He goes, I don't know.
We'll see.
End of story.
All right.
Do I ever get feedback?
It's just, never mind.
He says, Dick, I did that in November, December.
And in January, February, he goes, Dick, I got some money for you.
And he gave me a considerable amount of money.
Hundreds of dollars.
Many hundreds.
I said, what's this for?
He goes, that session you did for me.
It was the Super Bowl.
And the target was, describe the city that will represent the winning team, the winning city in the Super Bowl.
And it was Pittsburgh.
It was Pittsburgh.
And he bet a lot of money on that.
Wow.
And he paid me off on that.
So sometimes it's in the tasking.
Yes.
Fascinating.
Very, very interesting.
Another way that I know that you might make that work is without getting into the politics or the personalities is that you simply assign a mundane object to the person.
In other words, Donald Trump is a pencil and Hillary Clinton is an apple.
Okay?
And then you say, okay, what do I see after November 2nd?
But your 50-50 chance is probably about as good as doing well.
How about this, Jim?
How about this?
Who's going to win the election?
That's the task in your intent.
Who will win the election?
Well, let's say Donald Trump gets 60% of the vote, but they flip the machines...
And it wins by 52%.
Yeah, now which remote viewer is right?
The one who said the real win or the one who said, you know, the outcome that they're going to go with?
The official count.
Go back to the days of Clinton and what's his name?
You know, I was wondering, the same thing has to do with...
What about the implications of what you're viewing?
Because it is interesting to me, for example...
That at the end of Daz's session in August, he seemed quite concerned.
You, Dick, were also rather emotionally distraught.
Even during the session, you even said, I don't know whether we should even be publishing this.
He said that, I think, even live on the TV. And the other thing was, I think Princess was also getting very concerned towards the end.
And so I think this is very interesting.
I also wonder about the fact that, you know, none of you people are actually in Italy, per se, or Syria.
And certainly the president didn't go on the television.
I understand what you're saying.
That could have been an off, you know, But we're looking at an emotionality that goes around with what you're doing.
And one thing that I made the point of on my website in advance, I said, look, if you guys view something in the month ahead, There's time to stop whatever it is.
You understand?
That brings in to, if you could really figure out, you know, if the world, I mean, we've got a world of people out there.
We've got people with skills of all kinds.
Now, you're not the only remote viewers in the world.
And I opened it up.
I even said, anybody who wants to remote view this, take a look at this and view the target.
Interestingly enough, I got a lot of pushback that people couldn't view the target.
They would talk about everything under the sun except the target to me.
Even people that have remote viewing skills.
Not one of them sat down and applied themselves, did a viewing, and sent me the results.
Not one.
Now, I have to say that there is a responsibility.
If you're going to do something like that, if you're going to sit there and look at the events in advance, what's going to happen to humanity in the next month, and you see something, a cataclysm, a 9-11 type event, then what enters into it is responsibility.
You could prevent it.
Possibly.
I'm not saying definitely, you know, and it does have to be right on, you know.
I mean, you're not going to evacuate a city, I get that, but hey, you know.
If you get details and you have a track record, and we've got three people with a track record, and, you know, there was compelling reasons to look at this August thing and say, so I did put the word out.
I can tell you I didn't get anything back.
Nobody would look at it.
You know, Daz, actually, I couldn't get through to you, Dick, once you accepted my invitation at the beginning of the month.
The whole month I haven't heard from you.
You know, and Daz was the only one who got back to me and basically had a conversation.
We talked on Skype.
You know, and he was concerned over it.
But we understood that you guys didn't get enough detail to really know, you know, what this thing was.
So that there was no way to put a warning out there.
Yeah, well, okay.
There's a number of things.
A number of...
When we do a Mysteries Target...
We're tasked.
We might spend a couple months on it, and we're re-task and re-task.
It's all blind, and we might be working two or three at once so that we don't know where we are and what we're doing.
In this time cross, we do one session.
We're just trying to get the basic gestalt.
We want to say, did we get the basis event without naming names and getting too much detail?
Another thing I would say is...
Jim, we're just reporters.
It's not our job.
We just observe and report.
It's not our job.
It's not our...
Yeah, but that's not good enough.
Like, you know, when human lives are at stake, I appreciate what you're saying.
I'm not saying you're going to be blamed.
No one is going to blame you.
But I'm talking about a natural human impulse.
You know, that if I see, I don't know, a bus full of school kids going off a cliff in my remote viewing of the next month, you know what?
I think I might want to look at that again.
I might want to see if I can get a location...
Well, that's just it.
Also, let me tell you something.
I have no way of absolutely knowing this, but I strongly suspect that over the past few years there have been events that have been predicted by remote viewers that did not happen because somewhere somebody saw to it that it did not happen.
Well, there you go.
You're just substantiating what I'm saying.
We're pretty sure that there are...
People are watching our work.
Sure.
People are watching our work.
I mean, if I transmit a video and a paper session to Courtney over the internet that shows what a terrorist event, the authorities are seeing it.
It's getting put into the intelligence system.
Alright, fair enough.
I guarantee you.
The reason I'm bringing it up is basically to say that there is the human component.
You know what I'm saying?
This is not just a game.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Courtney and I have had this conversation.
We have long conversations about the morality and ethics of this, like could it be a We were wondering if...
Would something be...
Maybe they had a false flag in mind, and then we remote viewed it, so they decided not to do it.
The thing is, it's dependent upon...
It's got to be on the news.
It's got to be on CNN. Something's got to happen.
It's in the New York Times.
The tasking is dependent upon...
The target is selected by what gets the most exposure on CNN. So it's got to be something that happens.
I don't buy the fact that it was going to happen, but it didn't because we remote viewed it.
I dismiss that.
Okay, but regardless, what we could end up with is some facsimile thereof.
You know what I'm saying?
In other words, it's possible that by remote viewing something and putting it out, I mean, again, these are just things that one might want to look at to consider is, you know, what is being done here, are we looking at all the aspects of the responsibility that might be engendered By looking at something in the future and then not doing anything about it or not asking people to look at it again because lives could be saved.
It's just that notion.
That's all.
Let me ask you this, Carrie.
Let's put this proposal to you, this hypothesis.
You're President of the United States and a group of really good remote viewers led by Dick Allgaier come to you and say, okay, we've seen that next week A comet is going to hit the earth.
It's going to hit the western part of the United States.
That's right.
There you go.
It's going to obliterate the whole western part of the United States.
Now, you as president, do you come on TV and say, hey, all you people in the west, you're going to be obliterated next week, or do you not say anything and let life go on and let them be happy up until the end?
Well, sure.
And this is going on every day, as you know, Jim, because you're well aware that there are a lot of diabolical plans they're not telling us anything about.
But, yeah, go ahead, Dick.
You want to say something?
Okay.
Jim, I bet you're aware of this.
The Coventry bombing in World War II. Churchill knew, because they'd broken the German Enigma Code, they knew that there was going to be a massive bombing raid on Coventry.
And Churchill allowed it.
He didn't warn them.
And there were a lot of civilian casualties because it would have alerted the Germans that we had broken their code.
So he knew Coventry was going to be bombed.
Well, hey, they knew about Pearl Harbor.
There have been books written about it.
Same thing with Pearl Harbor.
They allowed it to happen.
So that it would further the cause and unite the public and get us into World War II. Yeah, exactly.
There you go.
So see, Kerry, yeah, I'm with you.
There's a lot of ethical, moral questions about this whole thing.
You know, it's just that you just have to ask the questions.
That's all I'm doing.
You know, I think it's important for us to all ask these questions.
It doesn't mean we've got an answer.
Well, that's good then.
The project...
Done in public is raising these questions and people are talking about it.
So that's a good thing and I'm proud to be part of that.
And if you didn't like our prediction for August, we've got a new one coming out for September.
We'll see how we did on that.
It's something totally different.
Alright, well we're going to have you back on the show and we're going to try our best to have this kind of a discussion back in the future if we can do so.
So thank you so much both you guys.
Um, like I said, it's been great having you on the show and, uh, let's see what happens.
And, and I encourage everyone to go over to Courtney's website, uh, farsight.org.
And this will go onto YouTube and have plenty more viewers on top of the, the very substantial audience we have live here, uh, Thanks again guys.
Any last parting words?
I'll give each of you the floor one at a time.
Carrie, for having this.
This was really a wide-ranging and in-depth conversation about remote viewing.
This is the kind of thing that actually needs to be done and needs to be done more in the future.
And so I, for one, appreciate you doing that, and I appreciate you coming on.
It's been real easy to duck and hide and say, well, maybe I didn't really say that, but you're there, you're out front.
And this is a learning experience for all of us.
You know, I've been urging Courtney to record it.
Courtney and I have discussions exactly like this.
Sure.
Hours at a time.
And I said, Courtney, we should put a camera up and put these on the Internet so people know what we're going through.
We probably will.
But, Carrie, it's been great talking with you.
And I've got to say, I think Jim Mars is a living treasure, a national living treasure.
And I... Anytime I can spend some time talking to Jim Myers, I'd love to come to Texas and bring my guitar and a little tequila, have a shot with you and play guitar.
And I would too, so I think there's a long list of people that love to do that with you, Jim.
I'll dust off my banjo and get my bottle of tequila.
Let's just, yeah, y'all come.
Excellent.
Excellent.
All right.
Thank you so much, guys.
Let's hopefully do this again sometime in the near future.
All right?
And wish us luck on our, I guess by the time this goes up on YouTube, there's another hurricane behind that.
Oh, wow.
It is so humid here tonight.
It is so hot and humid.
There's a hurricane just right down the, just right over the hill.
Well, why don't you take a look at it as a remote viewer and see what your odds are.
Yeah, it could be soon.
Yeah, it could save your life.
There you go.
Right?
All right.
Take care, you guys.
All right.
Thank you very much.
So thank you very much, everyone, for listening.
It's been a fascinating show.
I'm sure you've thought so as well.
I tried to get all the questions we could out of the chat there.
It's not always easy.
So actually, I want to give a heads up that tomorrow night, actually tomorrow morning, if it works out, we're going to have Simon Parks here with me.
We're going to be talking about his latest announcements.
You should go to ProjectHamletPortal.com.
I've got an article all about Simon's talking about the Angela Merkel announcement, telling people to stock up on 10 days worth of food and water.
And Simon is basically saying from his insider knowledge that there is a target on Germany, a possible false flag being set up, or maybe something else that has prompted Angela Merkel to suddenly go public asking her people to stock up and to get prepared.
So something is in the wind.
We're going to be discussing that tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
Pacific Time.
That's 6pm, I believe, UK time.
So stay tuned and thanks for listening and for watching.
And take care, everyone.
And good night.
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