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PETER KIRBY : CHEMTRAILS NEW MANHATTAN PROJECT - EDITED FOR SOUND

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm actually going to back up and start over because we didn't have any sound.
	All right, so now we have sound.
	So thanks, everyone, for coming tonight.
	I'm going to be interviewing Peter Kirby, and we're going to be talking about chemtrails, weather manipulation, and what he's calling the New Manhattan Project.
	And this should be a fascinating discussion.
	So I'm very excited to welcome Peter Kirby.
	And I'm going to get him on the screen right here.
	So there you go.
	And hopefully this is visual to everyone.
	And while I've got you on the screen, I'm going to read a short bio.
	Apparently the bio didn't come out.
	So let me read that again.
	Peter Kirby is a San Rafael, California researcher, writer and activist.
	His issue is geoengineering and chemtrails.
	He is a staff writer with theactivistpost.com.
	Peter has appeared as a guest on the Corbett Report with James Corbett, Caravan to Midnight with John B. Wells, and Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	He's published on websites such as Disclosed TV, DavidIke.com, GlobalResearch.ca, and many others.
	He is selling a comprehensive expose called Chemtrails Exposed, a New Manhattan Project through CreateSpace and Amazon.
	So that's the short bio, and what I was asking you to do when we didn't have any sound was to augment that.
	Now that you're on the screen live, say hello to everyone and see if you can give us a little more background as to how you got into this field.
	Hi everybody.
	Yes, I'm here, ready, willing, and able to talk about chemtrails.
	I've been noticing around the world some of the greatest audiences for chemtrails are in the U.K., Right here in the American West.
	And Germany, if you search the term chemtrails on Google Trends, you're able to find this type of stuff out.
	But yeah, I believe that the first question that you asked me is why I got into this.
	And it really started with just pure activism, with just...
	Being so offended by what I saw in the skies above me that I just felt like I had to do something about it.
	You know, I couldn't just sit there and be sprayed.
	You know, I had always known that corruption exists, you know, and was a staple of the American society and the world society.
	But I had always considered these things as avoidable.
	I'd always looked at certain situations and known that these things were corrupt and thought to myself, well, I don't want to be involved in that.
	I'm not going to do that.
	Avoiding the corruption.
	Corruption, in my view, until I became aware of the chemtrail thing was something that was avoidable.
	When I was confronted with the reality of this situation pertaining to chemtrails, I knew that I couldn't get away from it.
	It's getting inside my body.
	I knew that this was something that, you know, will continuously impede me from achieving what I want to achieve in my life.
	In other words, you know, being happy and healthy and secure financially and emotionally and all these things.
	So I really saw it as, you know, There's no alternative.
	I have to fight this.
	I can't live my life under this.
	And so I began doing things like just going on forum sites and in comment sections and Wherever I could, just making as much noise about it, on the internet, I did have some ammunition under my belt.
	I did an investigation of the California Air Resources Board, whose job it is to monitor the quality of air in California, the ambient quality, and I did find that they were sampling for aluminum and barium up until 2002.
	My investigation found that they had been sampling around the time that The large-scale spraying operations began in the 1990s, about 1996, and they had been sampling the ambient air for aluminum and barium up until 2002,
	and they provided information on their website with charts with the ambient levels of aluminum and barium going up and up and up from 1996 to 2002, and then they stopped sampling for it.
	They stopped sampling for it in 2002.
	So I was making as much noise about this as I could online.
	And I also did another thing where I had a little TV show on cable public access called Conspiracy TV with Mr.
	X right here in San Rafael.
	I did a whole bunch of two-hour episodes, just stuff I got off the internet and movies, conspiracy-themed movies that I became aware of.
	And so, yeah, I was just raising as much hell as possible.
	And at a certain point...
	Michael from Activist Post.
	Michael is the editor of Activist Post.
	He published something that I wrote, a forum posting.
	And it was actually a month or two before I even realized what had happened.
	But he just found my investigation of the California Air Resources Board and posted it as an article on ActivistPost.com.
	And so when I realized that that had happened, I started contacting Michael directly and he's been publishing me ever since.
	Since all that has happened, there was a certain point where I had done so much research and put so much energy into the study of chemtrails and what was going on that I realized that I had something big.
	And I realized at a certain point that this is the greatest scientific endeavor in human history.
	I continue to assert this that's been going on since 1946, and I believe over a trillion dollars has been spent.
	We can talk about that some more, the cost as to how much all this has cost.
	And, you know, I realize that this is really absolutely huge.
	I mean, this is...
	I feel like I'm uncovering the Sphinx or something, or the great pyramid of whatever it is in Luxor or in Egypt.
	It had just been buried under the sand and no one cared to take a shovel and start digging it out.
	And, you know, when I started realizing just the magnitude of this project, I started realizing that this is something that's going to take me many years to figure out.
	This is just absolutely huge.
	I mean, you know, it's covert.
	It's the greatest scientific endeavor in human history and it's a big secret.
	And the information pertaining to this stuff is just scattered to the four corners of the world.
	It's really quite a huge undertaking here.
	I started thinking about this in the context more of something that I can do professionally.
	This is what I'm actually shooting for now.
	It started as pure activism, but I'm actually shooting for a And the book is selling okay, but I have a lot of marketing to do.
	Okay, and I'm actually just putting your book on the screen for people to see.
	It's on the poster that we made for the show tonight, just so that people can see.
	So this book, is this for sale on Amazon?
	Yes, Amazon and CreateSpace.
	I would actually prefer if people buy it from the CreateSpace These are paperbacks.
	Amazon is the exclusive purveyor of the e-book.
	Right.
	And we know where that kind of situation is at.
	So what I want to do is get you back here on the screen.
	And it's, you know, having to run this at the same time as talk.
	Not that easy.
	Anyway, so it's great that you decided to take this seriously in your own life and then actually go out and do something.
	That's kind of a rare thing.
	individual a lot of people do see problems in our world but they you know they have full-time jobs and they're actually not even able to to go out and make that kind of um you know sort of statement and uh apparently you you know you were interested in in as a journalist um getting into this sort of as a writer i assume um Now, your book, I just wonder, because I see that you've gone down certain roads, and you really looked into the...
	Actually, things that a lot of people that get into chemtrails don't look at.
	So you got into things like...
	The background with the Nazis and all of that.
	So can you talk a little bit about what is in your paper?
	Like go over some of the key points.
	Because there is a paper.
	And actually, I don't have the paper on my website.
	But if you want, I can put the link up in the chat if you let me know where it's at.
	Okay.
	Yes, I am taking an unconventional approach to the analysis of these chemtrails.
	The difference between my work and what has previously come before us in my mind is my study of weather modification.
	I decided to go whole hog into the study of it, and I studied weather modification for about a year and a half.
	And this is really great because I have a huge book depository about 10 miles away from where I live.
	They're over there in Richmond.
	It's called the Northern Regional Library Facility, NRLF. This is the book depository for all of the Northern California You know, heavily into science and was actually involved in the original Manhattan Project as well.
	So, yeah, I did a lot of interlibrary loans with my local library.
	They've been really great.
	The Marine County Civic Center Library, absolutely professional staff there.
	They've been just absolutely outstanding.
	When I started off on the whole weather modification thing, I was about 95% there.
	I figured, yeah, this is what this is.
	It's a weather modification project.
	And then, of course, as I dove into it, I just found more confirmation for it.
	And so, if you look at it strictly as a global weather modification project, There are certain things that this project has to have.
	There is a chapter on the book on something I call Other Agendas, and that was a paper that I published on activistpost.com as well, and that's got a lot of the more wild stuff in it.
	But besides the Other Agendas chapter, basically the whole book is about chemtrails in the context of this global weather modification project.
	And if you see it as that, then you know Something.
	If you have a basic understanding of what it is, and you know it's a weather modification project, then you know that this project consists of four elements.
	And this was probably my greatest discovery as far as the organization of the information and how we go about breaking this thing down into smaller chunks.
	This global weather modification project requires four elements.
	It requires planes, I believe these are highly specialized planes.
	There's a chapter in the book I call The Chemtrail Fleet, which is dedicated to analyzing this element of this project.
	You also need sprays, and there's a chapter in the book titled Aluminum, Barium, and Strontium, and it covers the uses and development of the sprays.
	used in the New Manhattan Project.
	You also need electromagnetic energy.
	These are the ionospheric heaters.
	The most famous one is HAARP, but I do believe that there's actually lots of ionospheric heaters placed all around the country and all around the world to do these jobs.
	The ionospheric heaters have gotten a lot smaller and a lot more powerful.
	That would be three, the electromagnetic energy.
	And then four, You'd need a giant command and control apparatus, wouldn't you?
	You'd need command centers.
	You would need places where scientists and military people and whoever can gather and run the program.
	And communicate with each other and have a centralized place where all the data comes through and everybody knows where the planes are and what the ionosphere heaters are doing and the saturations of the atmosphere and all these things.
	So yeah, that's four chapters of the book right there.
	And then the rest of the book, the chapters are generally in that same type of vein as breaking down this whole thing into smaller chunks.
	So there are the four elements, and then there's a whole chapter devoted to what I get asked about a lot, motives.
	Why would somebody want to do this?
	So there's a whole chapter on that, and then there's another chapter, as I mentioned, on other agendas.
	There's another chapter on biological impacts, which is the most obvious question.
	Once you realize that planes are spraying us with stuff, it's like, okay, what is that stuff, and what's it going to do to me, and what's it going to do to the environment?
	So there's a whole chapter on that.
	Basically, that's what the book goes about doing, is just sort of realizing the major points here, I
	don't know.
	I wish I did.
	In the book is Lawrence Livermore National Labs That's a very good choice.
	I do have some whistleblower testimony with regard to this, so good choice.
	I think that's highly possible.
	I actually have to say, though, I don't think it's necessarily one place only, but I can tell you that Teller was very instrumental and involved in the germination of the weather manipulation and what is, in essence, weather wars.
	Well, you might be ahead of me on that one.
	I have three books on my shelf about Teller that I have not read.
	We do know that he was there during the making of the original atomic bomb, the original Manhattan Project.
	And I am asserting that a lot of scientists that worked on the original Manhattan Project went on to be involved in this new Manhattan Project.
	And then we also know that he wrote a series of papers I believe it was the early 1990s under Lawrence Livermore, published by Lawrence Livermore National Labs, along with two other authors, Wood and Hyde,
	and there was multiple papers where they're talking about how we need to save the climate and save the Earth from global warming by dispersing aluminum particles, you know, which is Sample test results.
	But yes, I definitely intend to get to the bottom of Edward Teller's involvement in all this.
	Okay.
	And then on top of it, you're talking about the need for planes, and I think it's very interesting when you look into this, and I wonder just how deep you've gone.
	Have you actually tried to interview pilots at all?
	Because they're not going to go on the record, but I wonder if behind the scenes you've been able to get any kind of statements from pilots and or people that service airplanes.
	Yeah.
	I do not believe that these planes have pilots.
	I do believe that these planes are drones.
	I think it makes sense that it would be that way.
	If I was running this project, I wouldn't want the liability of having pilots who could possibly squawk when technology that can remotely pilot planes has been around for 60,
	70 years, you know, and also I believe that there are many other highly automated aspects I think that this proprietary fleet of aircraft, which I call the chemtrail fleet, have been designed specifically to accomplish the purpose of spraying chemtrails and gathering atmospheric data.
	And I think that this fleet probably has Just amazing amounts of technology pertaining to them and their maintenance.
	So you don't think...
	Well, actually, I have to contradict that.
	Actually, personal experience.
	I've even been on a plane that was dispersing chemtrails, and we were trying to photograph it.
	We saw it coming out of the wings.
	And it wasn't a calm trail, as people might like to think it was.
	And I can tell you it lingers in the sky and stays there and so on and so forth.
	But on top of it, we watch these planes all the time.
	They do appear to be piloted.
	I don't think they're drones.
	They fly quite high up.
	In the atmosphere and they don't act like drones.
	In other words, they're not methodical.
	We see people, you know, what are in essence jet pilots, you know, drawing designs in the sky and doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
	And maybe, you know, I put the chemtrail on there earlier that you had had on your article, but I can show you completely bizarre Patterns and designs that we watch.
	We watch them all the time.
	So I'm not sure what you've seen and how you account for that.
	Well, what I write about mostly in the book is a proprietary fleet of aircraft.
	I do believe some other things may be involved.
	If you're in a plane and you're witnessing another plane spraying chemtrails, which is what you just told me happened during the No, the actual plane we were in, we actually leaned out the window.
	We tried, well, not out the window, but, you know, tried to put a camera on the window.
	And I can't remember.
	I think we did catch some motion of it at the time.
	But, yeah, it was actually a passenger jet.
	On occasion, they have used what are, in essence, commercial airlines to also disperse this stuff, which I know is hard to believe.
	This was a, I think it was a Philippine airline.
	It was a really bizarre airline, and that's what was happening with that.
	Now, but I have to say, you know, that may be the exception.
	I can absolutely guarantee that pilots are, you know, I mean, I just got back from England and the chemtrails in England are, if anything, worse than America.
	They're more overt, less covert in a certain sense, maybe because we have big skies and people are very outdoorsy in America, so they're more worried about it.
	But in England, It's just rampant.
	And you watch these pilots, and they're just flying all over the place.
	And it's really obvious.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, there's probably lots of I'll assert that at least the proprietary fleet of aircraft, which I outlined in the book, are drones.
	I don't think it would make any, and especially if there's like a certain headquarters, which I'm calling tentatively the garage up in Alaska, as I've speculated to, and I was wearing this program, I definitely wouldn't want pilots flying their planes into this highly secret base.
	But I do think I think there are some other things going on, but there are plenty of indications that it's not just a proprietary fleet of planes.
	There is quite a bit of evidence speaking to somewhat more of what you're talking about, where we're talking about passenger airplanes, commercial jets and things that have been kind of integrated into the chemtrail fleet in one way or the other.
	You know, there's been many instances It's really strange but this whole area which Seems to be the most provable and the most attackable area of this question is the one that's the most shrouded in secrecy.
	We're talking about these huge airliners and they're in the sky above us and where do they go?
	They must come down sometime and that's a liability because if it's 40,000 feet up in the sky you can't catch it but if it's on the ground you can.
	Any way you slice it Be it stuff added to jet fuel or passenger airliners that have had some kind of conversion to them.
	This is probably the most vulnerable point in their operations.
	And this is why when I realized that the whole thing was about weather modification, I was actually in the process of writing a paper about the chemtrail fleet because They would actually be able to continue getting away with it when they're utilizing these giant aircraft in these massive crimes.
	I don't discount what you're saying.
	I think there's actually many different types of planes and different types of procedures and means to Integrate planes into the larger chemtrail fleet.
	But what I write about in the book are all these patents and other information that speak to a high-tech proprietary fleet.
	And I think that, along with all the other planes, is where they are most vulnerable.
	So I think we should stay on that angle.
	I see.
	Okay, well, you know, that's fair enough.
	I mean, there's no doubt that they may have, as you say, a proprietary fleet.
	As to whether they're drones or not, simply because I've watched the planes myself, you know...
	For hours at a time, I can tell you that they don't behave as any drone I've ever seen.
	Now, I appreciate that drones can be driven, in essence, from a computer.
	But we're talking about planes that are basically jets.
	They're flying quite high in the atmosphere.
	And to my knowledge, at least at the moment, we're not aware of jets, per se, being used as drones.
	If you know what I mean.
	And that's my cat in the background.
	I don't know if people are hearing him.
	He's just, he likes to get into the whole act here.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, um, so, but, but it is, it's great that you've gone down this road because I can see from your article that you've also looked at the early scientists that were part of all of this.
	And, um, That leads down some very, what you might say, in essence, some dark roads, I think.
	I wonder if you can talk about some of these key players that you name in your paper.
	It would be great if you would talk about some of those people.
	Oh, okay.
	You're talking about in the conclusions chapter?
	That was the one that I published?
	Let me see if I can actually find your paper and put that.
	I actually do have an unpublished chapter in the book that is called Organizations and Persons I'll go over some of those people.
	I got the book right here in my hands.
	Okay.
	Well, specifically, we're talking early days because I think that it's important to understand that this sort of weather modification and the weapon, the side that has to do with weapons, and to be honest, I don't know how deeply you've gone because I haven't read your book, but in terms of the paper, you name certain names.
	So we've got Bernard Vonnegut.
	And, uh, and, and you could talk maybe a little bit about him.
	Uh, there's one guy who talks about, um, there's a really interesting, this guy, the Admiral, uh, the Navy Admiral, uh, William Francis Raybourne, who appears to be, uh, perhaps even, you know, the, the first leader, at least on the American side of this whole program.
	So can you talk about those guys a little?
	Yeah, Bernard Vonnegut.
	Let's go all the way back.
	Let's start with Nikola Tesla.
	Oh, fair enough.
	I think that the New Manhattan Project is originally a Nikola Tesla production.
	I think that when Nikola Tesla died in 1943, what happened was, well, I know that the FBI, their Office of Alien Property, confiscated the Majorly huge amounts of stuff from Nikola Tesla he had stored in the basement of the hotel he was staying in.
	We're talking about multiple trips that they had to take, collecting stuff from multiple areas.
	It ended up, I think, in the book that I read, it ended up being eight truckloads full of stuff that they confiscated from him after his death.
	I'd like to He got hit by a car not long before he died.
	He was old, and none of the biographies that I've read have mentioned anything about him being killed by the government.
	He was just old.
	He was tired.
	He had lived a full life, and he got hit by a car, and then it wasn't long until he died.
	I think what happened was the government confiscated his papers when he died.
	And we know even who looked over the papers.
	It was a group, mostly military men, naval intelligence specifically.
	And there was a certain scientist whose job it was to look over all these papers and tell the military men what this stuff meant because the military was interested in things that testified Yeah,
	I have to say that I doubt it.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	I sincerely doubt that he wasn't killed.
	Okay.
	What's your evidence for that assertion?
	Well, at the moment, I don't have any.
	But the stories I've heard are that they basically did kill him.
	And, you know, this comes from whistleblowers that I've talked to over the years.
	But I never investigated myself into any in-depth into Tesla.
	So, you know, I don't know...
	Any more than that.
	But I'm just saying logic would tell you that it's very likely.
	Now, it's possible that he never died.
	It's possible that he was actually, you know, moved to an underground base, etc., etc.
	There's a lot of nefarious things go on.
	But at any rate, let's move on because, you know, there's no point in sort of going over this...
	No, anything could happen.
	I mean, I think it's important to keep an open mind when it comes to the government and what they're capable of.
	I don't put anything past them, but it's in none of the major biographies, and it's not in his autobiography, of course, because he wouldn't be able to write that if he was dead.
	But anyway, so, yeah, the government confiscated his papers upon his death in 1943, and there was a guy whose job it was to translate...
	We're the military.
	And this man's name was John G. Trump.
	This is the uncle of Donald Trump.
	Yes.
	John G. Trump worked out of the radiation laboratory at MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
	And it's funny that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory, which was shut down not long after World War II, but they actually were the earliest developers of technology pertaining to electromagnetic energy.
	That has been used in the New Manhattan Project.
	So they were basically the earliest developers of the electromagnetic energy components of the New Manhattan Project.
	So this is another reason why I think it was Tesla's idea originally.
	That's a whole other can of worms, and it's actually what I'm studying right now, that transition.
	I'm studying the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory and people who are running that.
	The founder of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory was none other than Vannevar Bush.
	Ah, Vannevar Bush.
	Okay, very, very interesting.
	Yes, so these names start cropping up.
	Radiation is a whole fascinating area as well.
	There is actually a scientist, and I don't remember his name or anything, who claims that radiation is...
	Is not bad for you.
	And he actually used to go swimming in radiated water.
	I don't know if you know who I'm talking about.
	No, I'm not telling you what it is.
	Yeah, that it's a whole plot.
	You know, radiation is basically light, and so it is very interesting to start going down that road as well, I can tell you.
	And then with regard to Fukushima and the fact that that was actually caused by, well, it was a hit on Japan, and that it is, you know, infecting the waters and the The West Coast, etc.
	One of the ways you get mutants is through radiation.
	And I believe the government is interested in mutating the human genome, and they're using radiation to do it.
	So this is part of the plot.
	The X-Men movies actually graze that subject, in case you aren't familiar with that aspect.
	But it is very fascinating also to find out that Trump's relative was involved in all of this.
	Yeah, John G. Trump.
	He was an expert in high-voltage generators, which was something that, you know, was right up Nikola Tesla's alley.
	But yeah, so the Radiation Laboratory at MIT, founded by Vannevar Bush.
	And Vannevar Bush was also a founder of Raytheon, oddly enough.
	And he held stock the whole time, you know, when he was basically Forming the military-industrial complex with Raytheon involved and all this.
	He was basically throwing government contracts to the company that he founded and held a bunch of stock in the whole time that he was the head of wartime scientific development, research and development here in the United States.
	Well, as I recall, he's also a member of MJ-12.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, that's very interesting.
	That's very interesting.
	So, you know, the plot thickens, but it's great that you have such an open mind.
	You're going down these roads.
	So can we sort of move over to talk about some of these other characters that I was mentioning?
	Because, yeah, thank you.
	Absolutely.
	So what I think happened early on there was that the plans for the New Manhattan Project were Originally conceptualized by Tesla, and then they were probably taken from his papers by the government.
	And then I think that the public rollout, the whole kickoff of the new Manhattan Project, because I think the people who wanted to push You know, it was going to be a new Manhattan project and, you know, they wanted to get people interested in that they wanted to get specifically young people interested in weather modification in the atmosphere of sciences.
	So in 1946, there was this huge media story about how three scientists from General Electric Laboratories, Irving Langmuir, Bernard Vonnegut, We've been able to make it rain, to fly a plane over a cloud, a cumulus cloud, you know, a big puffy one that's going to have some water in it.
	They first dumped dry ice into the cloud and they made it rain.
	Funny thing is that actually people have done that many years before.
	There was a guy named August There's this huge media explosion about something that's already been done, actually.
	And then, not only that, but by early 19...
	Okay, they dumped the dry ice out of the plane in late 1946.
	By early 1947, they were spraying us with silver iodide.
	It's like, wow, you just came up with that in the space of like four months.
	Wow, that's a coincidence.
	And of course, you know, the biological impacts of silver iodide are to this day unknown because there have been no public long-term studies done as to the biological impacts of silver iodide.
	There's actually some...
	Really interesting.
	So you're saying that was 1940s, so we're talking about perhaps this was a Nazi program then, or perhaps started with the Nazis, because during the 1940s, of course, we were getting involved in World War II. Yeah, Operation Paperclip and the Nazis came in a little later.
	I think they started doing that type of stuff in the 50s, if I'm not mistaken.
	But the Nazis, there have been plenty of, or I think I recount three, I found at least three former Nazis who very famously came in and did work in the vein of the New Manhattan Project, what We'll be making sure to get back to the Nazis in a short bit because I got a lot of notes actually on that.
	We can get back into that at any time.
	But yeah, let's continue with the Bernard Vonnegut connection.
	So, yeah, Bernard Vonnegut was one of these scientists at General Electric, starting in 1946.
	I mean, it was a huge story in the media.
	I mean, it was just people went crazy for this.
	If you were around in 1946 and old enough to know what's going on, you definitely would have been aware of this.
	They started the conventional cloud seeding industry with Bernard Vonnegut's discovery of silver iodide and how silver iodide can be used as a new plant.
	By 1947, the same year that they had first started spraying silver iodide out of planes, the commercial The cloud seeding industry began as well.
	It started getting regulated on a state-by-state basis and all these companies popped up and had an industry association and all this stuff.
	So these scientists from General Electric, they founded the conventional cloud seeding industry.
	Not only did they found the conventional cloud seeding industry, Bernard Vonnegut went on to develop the new Manhattan Project.
	See, these are two separate things that the audience should be aware of.
	The conventional cloud seeding industry is distinct from the New Manhattan Project.
	It's different in quite a few ways.
	The major ways are that the conventional cloud seeding industry does not use electromagnetic energy.
	Once the particles are dispersed from the plane, the particles just go into the cloud and produce precipitation.
	In the New Manhattan Project, particles are Manipulated with electromagnetic energy to modify the weather.
	Also, a conventional cloud seeding industry is done on a regional basis, while the New Manhattan Project is global.
	There's quite a few differences there.
	We need to differentiate between the two because when people hear weather modification, they generally think of the cloud seeding industry.
	But this is something much more involved than just flying a plane over a cloud and dumping something into it.
	This is highly technical and requires command and control centers and all these things.
	But Bernard Vonnegut went on to explore weather modification in the vein of the New Manhattan Project with these experiments called Space Charge experiments.
	He went on with completely different people.
	Actually, Schaefer sort of tagged along.
	Schaefer was mostly a lab assistant.
	Langmuir was the old man.
	At the time, in 1946, when this story came out, he had already won a Nobel Prize for Chemistry and he would do presentations.
	There's an old movie of him doing a presentation and making the crowd laugh.
	Chuckle and scream with delight and all this.
	So he was kind of a showman, but he was actually in the twilight of his career in 1946.
	I don't think he made it past the 50s.
	So it was Vonnegut.
	Out of those three, Vonnegut was young.
	He was a classically trained scientist.
	Schaefer was young as well, but he didn't have the training that Vonnegut had.
	So Vonnegut went on with these space charge experiments and largely a new group of scientists that he was working with.
	And these space charge experiments were about the electrical manipulation of the atmosphere and atmospheric particles.
	Today what we see is the electromagnetic manipulation of atmospheric particles, but they started with Electrical manipulation.
	They would string a wire across telephone-like poles, telephone pole-like poles, you know, say 30 feet above the ground.
	And this wire would be unsheathed and it would have a strong direct current running through it.
	And when you do that, You get what's called coronal discharge.
	This is kind of like where you've seen pictures of Nikola Tesla sitting in a room and it seems to be these lightning bolts, you know, sort of flying all over the place, these little fingers of electricity going into all corners of the room.
	That's coronal discharge.
	That's when the wire doesn't have the capacity to hold the electricity, so it just starts, you know, spewing it off into the atmosphere.
	And so they would conduct these space charge experiments And they would observe and measure what's going on in the atmosphere.
	And although I've actually not been able to nail this down specifically, I'm pretty sure they were also dispersing.
	Actually, no, they were.
	They were dispersing atmospheric particles as well.
	It wasn't only ambient atmospheric particles that they were monitoring.
	They were also dispersing their own particles.
	So you can see the origins of the project right there.
	Okay.
	Well, let me just stop you right there because actually this is also getting into creating vortexes and portals into other dimensions.
	This is actually, I don't know whether you know it or not, but it goes in the direction of what CERN is doing at this time.
	Okay.
	So what we're talking about, I know it seems like a big leap, but it actually follows along this science, which is science of seeding the clouds, creating, in essence, tornadoes, creating storms, creating vortexes.
	Vortexes are also interdimensional and can basically UFOs come in and out through them.
	One of the first things they did when they learned how to use this kind of electrical discharge and Doing this electromagnetic shielding, which is also what's going on with the Earth and with HAARP and so on and so forth, has to do with detecting a signature of an incoming craft and then being able to target the craft to shoot it down.
	And this is where you get the Roswell crash, actually was the application of this technology.
	So I don't know if you've gone in that direction, but this is very interesting.
	And I wrote to you ahead of time, I just wanted to put a footnote in here, about Trevor James Constable.
	And Rainmaking and also Wilhelm Reich.
	Because Wilhelm Reich was put in jail.
	Eventually he was killed.
	I'm not sure how.
	Forget, you know, what the technicalities are there.
	But the bottom line is he wrote a number of books.
	He was a very incredible scientist, just like Tesla.
	Wilhelm Reich.
	And he studied orgone.
	And he was the first actual, from what I know, he was the original Rainmaker.
	And the government was after him and after his work.
	So that's an important sort of part to all of this.
	And if you haven't gone down the Wilhelm Reich sort of road, I do encourage you to do so.
	I have Fury on Earth.
	I have that book.
	I'm sitting on my shelf waiting to read.
	I have plenty of books that I'm going to read for the second edition, and I intend to get into Will Helmreich.
	This first On a comprehensive expose as best I could.
	Before you've been telling me about this, I was actually getting a little disenchanted with that angle on Wilhelm Reich, but I will definitely read that book.
	I'm not sure how important he is in all this.
	Maybe I'll find that he was very important in all this.
	Well, I mean, in the end, you have to understand if Vannevar Bush was involved in this, an instrumental, and then he went on to, I believe he was one of the first heads of MJ-12, what we know of as MJ-12, which was tasked by Truman to deal with the craft, the incoming craft that were UFOs in essence.
	Then we're talking about a long-range plan that has to do with Basically, a war in space, in outer space.
	That's where all of this is going.
	That's why portals matter.
	That's why creating these vortexes, using weather and manipulating the weather matters, and so on.
	I don't know if you have thought of going down that road, but believe me, it leads in this direction, and I have so many whistleblowers here.
	To this effect, and I can tell you, you're on the right track.
	So if you stay with these individuals, and I want you to continue and talk some more.
	Again, you know, if you can wrap this Admiral William Francis Rayburn, he was definitely along the lines of what we're talking about here, part of the U.S. Navy.
	The Navy is heavily instrumental in In sort of running the secret, what we call the secret space program.
	Yeah, yeah.
	William Francis Raborne.
	It's funny how that works out out of the Navy.
	It seems like all the secrets are packed in the Navy.
	Even though the Navy didn't even work on the original Manhattan Project.
	Yeah, they've been doing all the secret stuff, apparently.
	Yeah, William Francis Radborn.
	Okay.
	I'll just do it.
	I'll stop it.
	I don't need the book.
	He was a vice-admiral in the Navy.
	In 1963, he wrote a paper called New Horizons of Naval Research and Development.
	This appeared in the proceedings of the Basically, that was the first real landmark piece that I have been able to find where anybody talks extensively about using electromagnetic energy to influence the weather.
	And he talks about all these different things that they can do, you know, by, like, making seas so rough that it would clear mines and lots of other things.
	And, yeah, he was, not only did he just write this paper, I mean, he was on the board of directors of a company called LTV Electrosystems, which was part of a company called Lingtemco Vot, which was a big defense contractor back in the 60s, 50s and 60s, I believe it was.
	And yeah, he was on the board of directors of LTV Electrosystems, you know, who specialized in just these types of technologies.
	LTV Electrosystems Eventually became E-Systems, and E-Systems bought them.
	E-Systems was one of the people who built HAARP. They built one of the iterations of HAARP up there in Alaska.
	E-Systems has since been acquired by Raytheon.
	Back to Raytheon again.
	Okay, great.
	Good stuff.
	His horizons have been met.
	And not only that, before he worked on the whole electromagnetic energy thing, he was in charge of a project called Polaris.
	It was a submarine-launched ballistic missile program.
	And Hughes contracted with Radborn's Polaris project.
	And Hughes leads us into the Nazi question.
	Okay, but before you go there, hold that thought.
	I want to know about Atmos because I think that that's a really interesting moniker.
	And I'm wondering if you say the author has failed to find any significant information about Atmos.
	Are you still, you know, wondering?
	Because that seems associated somehow with Raybourn.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I hope to, you know, I put in the book what I found.
	When I saw his reference to this Atmos program, yeah, I was definitely intrigued.
	that was in his paper the new horizons naval research and development in 1963 he says he's going to move forward with these types of programs and something called the atmos program so yeah i was definitely intrigued by that and I felt I should tell the reader that I looked around through my sources and was not able to find anything about that.
	My science advisor, a woman by the name of Ginny Silcox, who I should really continue to give more credit, I haven't been talking about her in the interviews very much, but she has been a great, incredible asset to me and a good friend.
	She says that this This ATLOS program was continued up in Alaska at a certain ionospheric heater called the High Pass ionospheric heater, which was run by UCLA. Although I haven't found documentation to that fact,
	my science advisor is an expert in electromagnetic energy, and she studies lots of these conspiracy-type angles on it because she's worked within the military-industrial complex, and she knows how damn corrupt they are.
	I want to find a library somewhere that has, there's probably at least one library somewhere, probably a naval library, that has lots of information on Vice Admiral Ravorn and hopefully, you know, more information about the Atmos thing.
	Well, I can tell you one place that I don't know if you can get into it, but I was a contractor out at Jet Propulsion Lab, JPL? Yeah, and they have a library there, but you'd have to actually get a job there as a contractor or something like that probably to get access or have a friend.
	I'm just saying that's one of the many places.
	Maybe the Ronald Reagan Library, another possible place.
	Southern California is...
	It's a hotbed for aerospace research.
	Also, Michael Schrat.
	I don't know if you know who Michael Schrat is, but he is an aerospace historian.
	And he's a person that maybe I should put you in touch with because he is a person who talks to aerospace executives.
	He goes around and interviews them.
	People who worked for people like Ben Rich and Lockheed Martin, Skunk Works, etc.
	A lot of this information that you're looking for is hidden away in, of course, the aerospace industry.
	That sounds very promising, what you're talking about.
	Where I think there's going to be the real goldmine, though, is the Boston area.
	Okay.
	The Boston area.
	I read about this in my book a little bit.
	MIT. Oh, sure.
	Sure.
	The Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in my research, is the most important thing organization to the development of the new Manhattan Project.
	I don't think it's a coincidence being that all these guys were working out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory back in World War II, but they have since gone on to produce almost every aspect or have been involved in the production of almost every aspect Actually,
	no, I don't think I know that much about it.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, in the whole hierarchy of the New Manhattan Project, I think it goes a little something like this.
	At the top of the pyramid, you know, of course, there are things above this, but as far Let's just put it at the Department of Defense.
	There's stuff above it, but that's another barrel of monkeys.
	Department of Defense.
	Below the Department of Defense, DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
	Below DARPA, the MITRE Corporation.
	Under the MITRE Corporation, to me, looks like the day-to-day manager, overall manager of the project.
	Under the MITRE Corporation, I think you find all the corporations and government groups doing their certain aspects of the job.
	But the whole Boston area, MIT MITRE Corporation, the American Meteorological Society is another one that I think is up to their eyeballs in this thing.
	All right.
	What about IG Farben?
	Well, they're not in the Boston area.
	I mean, they were in World War II. Yeah, but they're still alive and well, and they're behind a lot of the German technology.
	And it appears that a lot of this chemtrailing did start with the Germans.
	So, you know, that's kind of where it might go.
	But to get back to the Nazis, because you were about to start on the Nazis, and I kind of took you off track, so...
	Um, why don't you go down that road a bit if you don't mind?
	Yeah, let's go back and mention Hughes again.
	That's where I first mentioned the Nazis.
	Uh, they, uh, Hughes was, um, I don't think Howard Hughes was running that company for about the last 20 years of his life.
	Uh, I think after he had that really bad, uh, Airplane crash, that it was either him zonked out on painkillers or somebody else zonked out on painkillers, not running that company, sort of, you know, walking around like the living dead, sort of, you know, just people and people saying that, oh, here's the president of the company or whatever.
	I think what happened was there was no management at the top of Hughes Aerospace and establishment types, military industrial complex types came in and took that thing over.
	Absolutely, I agree.
	Okay, great.
	So it was basically a free-for-all there.
	I think the corrupt elements of our government and the military-industrial complex just kind of made a home there.
	And I think that Hughes Aerospace was used as a vehicle for the production of technologies that went into the New Manhattan Project.
	There was a certain executive from Hughes, a guy by the name of Alan Puckett, And it's mentioned in a former executive of Hughes wrote a book.
	It's called Hughes after Howard by the name of Kenneth Richardson.
	And in this book, he says that Alan Puckett was asked to select Nazi scientists for Operation Paperclay.
	It doesn't say that he did.
	It doesn't say that Nazi scientists came into Hughes.
	It just says that he was asked.
	Now what do these guys do when their government asks them to do something?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Absolutely.
	Your government calls and that's your meal ticket.
	And you say, yes, sir.
	Yes, sir, I'll just elect those Nazi scientists.
	And so I think that Hughes has been a major vehicle for bringing Nazi scientists into this country and having them work on the New Manhattan Project.
	And There have been quite a few other instances of Nazi scientists who apparently have gone to work on the New Manhattan Project, most notably Wernher von Braun.
	I mean, who could miss him, right?
	Right.
	Before you continue, would you mind giving us a definition for what you consider to be the New Manhattan Project?
	New Manhattan Project.
	A global weather modification project involving dispersed atmospheric particles manipulated by electromagnetic energy for the purpose of weather control.
	Okay.
	That may be a somewhat limited definition.
	Now, where did you land on this definition?
	You know what I mean?
	Were you told about it?
	Is this your idea?
	Where did you get that name?
	It was in the research.
	It was in the research.
	It kept on popping up.
	All these famous people and government types and industry types and all this calling for a new Manhattan Project, either in weather control or climate control.
	The more recent rhetoric has been about climate.
	Plenty of instances of that.
	I didn't know how correct I was, actually, at the time.
	I forget.
	I forget.
	That's a good question.
	I need to figure that one out.
	I believe there was a certain piece of evidence that really made me realize that this was a new Manhattan Project.
	Well, you know what?
	I'm just doing a search right now, and I'm just noticing there's an article here in 2015 that came out in something called Politico.
	And it's saying Hillary was calling for a crypto Manhattan Project, and they're actually calling it a Manhattan Project scale effort by the government in Silicon Valley to resolve national security concerns over unbreakable encryption.
	Well, there goes encryption anyway, if you ever thought it was any good.
	But, no, you know, I mean, it's interesting that moniker, you know, New Manhattan Project, because...
	It kind of conjures up like a sort of a trajectory or a sort of taking a certain kind of action because the original Manhattan Project was supposed to be at least, you know, so revolutionary, right?
	So the idea of a new Manhattan Project means something completely even more like, you know, mega steps beyond.
	Would you agree?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, absolutely.
	You know, in sort of an off the top of my head estimate, I would say that this New Manhattan Project is upwards of ten times as big as the original.
	Yeah, it's huge.
	It's covert.
	It's something that changes our daily reality.
	It's actually done, you know, I'm going about proving, I'm going about showing that it was actually done by the same people, the same people I can name.
	Vannevar Bush is a very famous photo, and I'm going to read, if I haven't read their biography already, I'm going to read it.
	Vannevar Bush, Ernest Lawrence, Carl Compton, James Conant, Arthur Compton and Alfred Lee Loomis and also another person by the name of Luis Alvarez.
	All these guys worked out of the Radiation Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
	They all worked on the original Manhattan Project and they all worked on technology that went into this new Manhattan Project.
	Very good.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, you're definitely on to something here.
	And it's really exciting to meet somebody who is going down these roads because we need good researchers who will pick up these clues.
	And you've obviously got your...
	Sort of finger on the pulse because, like, you know, Hughes Aircraft, you picked up on the Raytheon connection.
	You know, I mean, you're picking up on a lot of these really very cool, interesting connections that all lead, at least to my field, which is obviously the secret space program.
	So that's excellent.
	I'm pitching myself.
	I mean, I'm amazed that God chose me to be the guy who's exposing this.
	I mean, I can't believe.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	I mean, I'm just nobody.
	I stumbled upon this thing.
	I mean, I'm not making this up.
	I just follow wherever the research goes.
	You know, it's just weird that my life has taken this turn and, you know, I'm finding all this stuff.
	I hope that the readers join me.
	I mean, a large reason for me to be putting out this book at all is so people can read it and say, you know, that makes sense.
	And I want the reader to go on with their own research.
	I want everything to come together.
	I want people to, you know, realize what's going on here and start putting pressure on politicians and organizations and doing whatever they can.
	You know, because I think the hardest part of this whole trying to stop the chemtrails is that we haven't known what this is.
	I mean, when I started looking at this thing in about 2009, 2010, gauging the state of the issue, I don't think anybody knew what this was about.
	I mean, you know, I think there were some ideas floating around, you know, Having to reverse engineer this whole thing.
	And in a sense, it is very cool.
	You know, I'm not saying I'm cool.
	I'm saying that, you know, it's amazing.
	It's incredible.
	I mean, this whole thing, the story of it is just absolutely mind-boggling.
	And, you know, I intend to get to Released by the third edition.
	I intend it to be somewhat...
	I know that this may be a little aggrandizing, but...
	Okay, wait one second, because I'm showing people...
	Hold it right now, because I want people to see that.
	I just found an article from MIT, a journal in MIT, that was dated in 2007.
	Talking, is it time for a new Manhattan Project?
	Very interesting article.
	So I just wanted to put that really quickly on the screen.
	And now I'm going to switch over to you and get you your book that you're showing.
	This is not my book.
	This is Richard Rose's book.
	All right.
	It's a monolith of American nonfiction.
	The original Manhattan Project and the story of the first atomic bombs.
	And this is what I plan for this book, my book.
	Right now, it's largely taking it apart and into sections and then studying each section, sometimes on a chronological It's structured right now in my book.
	But if you read Richard Rhodes' book, all it is is a story of the whole development.
	You know, it just starts with a certain guy, Leo Zillard, I think his name was, who had the idea to, from And then everything that happened after that, and the decisions that went into it, and the stuff going on behind the scenes, and the minutiae, and all that.
	This is what I intend for my book by the third edition, where I can just...
	And it's going to take a lot more research, and it's going to take whistleblowers, and it's going to take declassified documents, and a lot of things coming out.
	But I think we can do it.
	I think this issue is going to explode.
	And when all the information comes out, I intend to...
	Just tell us the story from beginning to end.
	Yeah, this is...
	That's great, and I appreciate the reference to that book.
	I think I'm going to get a copy.
	I'm quite interested in all of that.
	Because when you start connecting these dots, it gets really fascinating.
	When you see creme trails as an isolated thing, and yeah, people are getting sick from them and this and that, but when you start to see it in context, that's when it really takes on...
	Importance in my view and starts to really sort of go in a direction and help you to understand where we're headed as a species or where they're trying to make us go, what direction, and And it's really fascinating.
	I love this saying.
	It says, like, in 1996, the Air Force produced a previously mentioned document called Weather as a Force Multiplier, Owning the Weather in 2025.
	That's a quote from your paper.
	Can you talk about that notion of weather as a force multiplier?
	Because in essence, this actually gets into the weaponization of weather.
	And we know, at least at Camelot and the research I do and the people that I talk to, we've got people who are talking about what are called tectonic weapons causing earthquakes in places where the U.S. government wants a certain country to get in line To do what they want them to do.
	Suddenly they have a huge earthquake.
	Apparently Chile is experiencing quite a few of these types of events.
	Even a very well-known astrophysicist, James McKinney, I put this into my recent talk, At the High Elms Awaken Aware Conference, James McKinney talking about how the government caused the earthquakes in Chile using a weather weapon.
	So that's where you're headed with that.
	So can you talk a little bit about that?
	It's no coincidence that I put the Department of Defense at the top of the hierarchy.
	I mean, you know, if...
	It's God-like power.
	It's God-like power that can defeat enemies.
	I think that's actually, in a pure sense, if these technologies were simply used against legitimate enemies, that would be great.
	The problem is that these are basically military technologies that are just being used against domestic populations.
	I mean, a nation's own domestic population, that's the problem.
	Yeah, even their own.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, that's just like a key phrase, weather as a force multiplier.
	It is so key to what's going on right now and how wars of the future are going to be fought and actually, behind the scenes, how this sort of ongoing war...
	You know, what I say, you know, off World War, war also here is all being orchestrated to attack certain countries, to also attack their economies.
	Because if you have a weather problem in a country...
	This, you know, some disaster, then immediately, you know, your country is bankrupt.
	You know, you need all kinds of supplies and this and that and the other, and to rescue people and so on.
	It's a great way of throwing a country back into the, you know, the dark ages.
	With the press of a button from thousands of miles away.
	Exactly.
	So that's the kind of thing we're talking about.
	This is not lighthearted stuff.
	Well, I think, you know, I think the Department of Defense realized the potential power of these types of weapons a long time ago.
	You know, the manipulation it goes because it's the whole geoengineering thing.
	Manipulation of our environment, manipulation of the atmosphere, manipulation of the earth.
	This goes back to Glenn Seaborg, who was the head of the Atomic Energy Commission after World War II. He came up with this idea of, quote, planetary engineering.
	Where they were going to use atomic energy to make flowers grow in the desert and move mountains and all this type of stuff.
	The whole idea of manipulating the environment and the earth to your advantage is very old, incredibly old.
	It goes back to the late 1940s.
	Well, actually, as a matter of fact, it goes back to, it's written about in the Bible, and it goes back to the Anunnaki.
	So, you know, the type of Anunnaki that Sitchin was talking about in the Sumerian tablets.
	They were using these kinds of weapons.
	That's where it all goes back to.
	So what we're talking about is actually having that at our disposal now.
	This also gets into the fall of Atlantis.
	And how basically a meteor was used as a targeted weapon to get that island to sink at least one of the times.
	And there was another weapon that was also used.
	It's always these kinds of weapons that...
	That they seem to be intent on using and exploiting, and this is what we're really talking about.
	So when you say New Manhattan Project, I imagine this is where you're going.
	Well...
	Yeah.
	But let's say you were a king of a certain country and you had another country that you wanted to take over.
	And you could just from your throne just make a meteor or hit their capital.
	You know, I mean, isn't that just about that?
	Well, actually, there's something I look into into the book that I think is actually the ultimate weapon.
	And these are lightning bolts that would just come from the sky.
	If you look at Raytheon's name, you can translate it.
	It means a light from the gods.
	Right.
	And there's evidence, too, The idea that a type of weapon is being developed whereby it would simply be a lightning bolt coming out of the sky.
	You can make it hit whatever you want.
	You can make it huge so that it would destroy a whole city or pinpoint it so that it would take out one particular leader.
	I can't think of a more effective weapon.
	It's something that can be done from very far away.
	Something that destroys a large area or something very small, you know, depending on what you wanted to do.
	And there's basically no defense against it, you know what I mean?
	Especially if you're like in a second or third world country or even, you know, the vast majority of people in In first world countries, they have no defense against anything like this.
	All of a sudden, just boom, a lightning bolt comes out of the sky and just destroys you or your family or house or whatever it is.
	I mean, that's a damn effective weapon, if you ask me.
	Absolutely.
	Well, this gets into what they were talking about when they're talking the day after tomorrow.
	Now, I appreciate that people know the movie, Day After Tomorrow, and you certainly know when Art Bell was talking about the day after tomorrow.
	But actually, if you think about it, what we're talking about is something that's man-made as opposed to a natural event.
	It is said, in fact, by whistleblowers and people behind the scenes that I'm in contact with, That we have no natural weather at this time.
	That all our weather is being orchestrated, basically.
	So that's what we're dealing with.
	And we see the evidence around us.
	Some people may be in denial.
	It's really interesting.
	I live in an area where, you know, Ben from the Skunk Works, you know, who died, Rich, yeah, he actually was living in this area.
	So there's a lot of aerospace people in this area.
	And what I noticed is that we never, we go to like drought conditions and then all of a sudden it'll rain.
	They're taking care of this area.
	That's what I see.
	The certain areas of the world of California specifically, because California is a huge moneymaker and very instrumental in the aerospace industry, where they actually step in and do whatever is necessary to make sure that we have the kind of weather that will keep sort of the state happy.
	If you will.
	At least their operations going.
	At least keep their operations going.
	But yeah, that's the kicker, that's the bonus in the whole thing.
	When any of these type of weapons go off, you always have plausible deniability.
	You know, you can always say, oh, I'm so sorry, a lightning bolt hit your house yesterday.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It was a completely an act of God.
	I mean, it had nothing to do with it, of course.
	How could I? Sure.
	And this gets into particle beam weapons.
	It also gets into, well, like I said, the linear accelerator, creating vortexes and portals into other dimensions.
	And then you get into the whole ET visitation and what's really going on behind the scenes and who's really running this place anyway.
	Yeah.
	So at this moment, I've had you on the show for quite a while.
	I'm going to look into the chat and see if there's some direct questions that people want to ask you, if you'd be willing to take a little bit more time and answer some questions.
	I'm all yours.
	I got nothing else scheduled.
	Okay, so everyone who's watching, and we do have a live audience, a good-sized one.
	So if you have a question, if you can put it in the chat.
	I'm scanning through the chat, but it's easier if you put it in all caps.
	Or if you asked a question early on, and just retype your question or cut and paste it because...
	It's hard for me to scan all the way back through this chat.
	Well, someone wants to know, is the California drought engineered?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it is.
	That's the short answer.
	What I think is going on is, I think the water that comes in off of the Pacific, the atmospheric moisture, I think that's being intercepted.
	And the way they do that is, of course, by spraying all the stuff into the sky.
	and I think those little particles are what we call hygroscopic that means they like water the water retracting and they attract a little bit of water on them and then see this is largely speculation but this is what I think is going on and we're so dry in California because those little particles intercept the the atmospheric water and then they're able the people who run the new Manhattan Project are able to redistribute that water throughout the
	And this is why we see California so dry and other areas of the country with these huge, incredibly massive floods.
	This is what you call period.
	I can't even say this word.
	I've been trying.
	Periodocity.
	Periodocity.
	Yeah, no, I think you're right.
	No, absolutely.
	There's, you know, I drive the 5 occasionally and farmers are putting up signs along Highway 5 basically saying, you know, it's the government.
	They're stealing the water.
	And I think there's no doubt about it whatsoever.
	There's also evidence that the Chinese, I know it sounds...
	Kind of bizarre, but it's known that they're actually going to places like, I think it's Lake Erie and on the East Coast, and they send planes, I think this is documented, to get our water, literally, and take it to their country.
	This kind of stuff is going on.
	Now, causing floods in other parts of the country, this again is a weather war's weapon being used against our own people.
	And you have to figure out, you know, what is the motivation for why they're doing this?
	And I'm sure that if you follow the trail far enough, you can definitely find this out.
	There's going to be reasons why they're doing these things.
	Partially having to do with trying to bankrupt certain areas of the country.
	Trying to turn...
	I imagine trying to get the people off the land.
	And into the cities and also create a large homeless problem.
	I mean, there's so many aspects, and I'm sure that Catherine Austin Fitz, if you know her, she's studied where the Black Project money goes and is a former housing secretary.
	She knows how they move populations in and out of certain neighborhoods with a purpose in mind.
	Not sure if she understands how weather wars may be part of this scenario, but it's a very interesting line of inquiry.
	Yeah, I think she is chemtrail aware, if I'm not mistaken, Catherine Roth and Puston Fitz.
	Maybe she should have been in my book somewhere, because I think I've heard of her.
	That'd be great if she could decipher some of these black budgets, because I think, you know, not only me and you, but I think the rest of the country wants to know where the money's going.
	But yeah, there are agendas going on in that respect, and some of it is documented.
	There were some alfalfa farmers down in the extreme southeastern portion of California, right on the border with Arizona.
	They went bankrupt last year, 2015, when we had the bad summer droughts.
	We had a lot of rain over the winter this year, and that filled up the reservoirs.
	But last summer, we had the worst drought we've had in a long time.
	And these alfalfa farmers down there, they went bankrupt because alfalfa requires a lot of water, right?
	And they're in an arid landscape down there.
	And next thing you know, their local water district is coming in and buying them out.
	Exactly, yeah.
	Land reclamation.
	Well, this is what the Bundy Ranch situation is all about, and also what happened in Oregon.
	Behind the scenes, what they're doing is they're reclaiming the land, partially because a lot of times these places are mineral-rich underground, and they can't get at the minerals unless they throw the people off the land.
	So this is also key.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I mean, yeah, I mean, the planning That's going into this thing is probably just absolutely massive.
	I mean, there's already some documented evidence that I present in the book.
	We're all talking about motives here.
	I present in the book a long time ago, there was a big report talking about a comprehensive plan to manage Economic activity dependent upon weather and how weather modification plays into this.
	So I don't doubt that there are just fast resources that have been dedicated to managing the economic impacts of this new Manhattan Project.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, and it's fascinating when you look also into the whole...
	Like I said, metals.
	But also, see, the metals are used in space travel and also other kinds of high-tech sort of industries, etc.
	So we're talking about the motivation for finding this uranium under the ground and then being able to get it out of there.
	All of this, there's a huge corporation...
	That I believe Hillary's involved in, that was involved in the whole Oregon standoff, et cetera, et cetera, behind the scenes.
	It really had very little to do with the actual, you know, well, it's a patriot cause, but they never got to the bottom of what was really going on, unfortunately, up there.
	So somebody is asking about the nanoparticles in chemtrails.
	Are you aware of those?
	Yeah, the weather modification literature does more often than not talk about particles suitable for weather modification being nano-sized, so there is quite a bit of evidence We also take into consideration that any particle size that's mentioned in any literature,
	they're talking about the size of the particle at the point of dispersion.
	They're talking about when it comes out of the airplane, you know, 35,000, 40,000 feet up or whatever.
	It may be nano-sized at that point, and it may function in the atmosphere doing what it does In a nano-sized state, but by the time these particles get down to Earth, They may be significantly larger.
	They may have glommed onto each other.
	They may have glommed onto other atmospheric particles.
	And it's really hard to tell as to what size particles we are consuming on a daily basis.
	But my best guess is that we are consuming particles through our skin and our orifices.
	Are nano-sized and larger.
	Well, right.
	This gets into the whole transhumanism situation.
	And to me, there's no doubt whatsoever about this.
	That's Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards, who I've interviewed at Vacaville and is part of the Secret Space Program, talks about how what they're looking to create is a race of super soldiers that are passive super soldiers.
	In other words, they'll take orders and And the more nano they put into your body, the easier it is for them to control you, for an artificial intelligence to control you and your body and what you think and how you move and what you do.
	It's just like controlling your car, you know, when you have an engine that's more computer than anything else.
	They can basically decide to take over your car at any point.
	Whereas if you have an old car that doesn't have that kind of technology, they're not going to be able to take it over as easily, apparently.
	So someone wants to know what you think about chemtrails causing cancer and changing our DNA. That's pretty much what you were getting at right there.
	Any toxins are bad for you and can cause cancer.
	I haven't seen any studies that link the exposure to chemtrail spray as causing cancer.
	Of course it does.
	And then what you're talking about, the altering of the DNA, is the scariest part of this research.
	Coupled with the Morgellons information, it is truly frightening what could be done to us as we speak.
	Yes, it does seem feasible to me that we could be exposed to substances which would alter our physical bodies and our body chemistry and, you know, I guess maybe even our DNA and make us more pliable to other technologies such as electromagnetic frequencies.
	Absolutely.
	Yes, the materials that we are exposed to may turn us into sort of antennas, sort of like human antennas that can receive a certain...
	Well, we are antennas.
	We are receivers and transmitters.
	However, we're natural antennas, and this gets into the psychic realm.
	You know, all the size sort of abilities that we have.
	But what you're talking about is actually shutting down those other ones and basically concentrating it in a certain band, you know, you might call it a band, in which they can target you and basically manipulate you and your thoughts, etc., etc.
	Yeah, they're not helping you get in touch with Mother Earth.
	Yeah, I mean, basically being at the beck and call of an artificial intelligence, which is kind of where it's all headed.
	Yeah, I mean, it's so interesting.
	And, you know, I'm glad we're getting this chance to have this kind of a discussion because I think a lot of times, again, people narrow this chemtrail thing down too far.
	They don't realize how wide this story really is.
	Yeah, they've crossed the Rubicon.
	I mean, you know, they're doing it.
	You know, I mean, if you're going to put planes in the sky and just openly just spray people with all kinds of stuff, I mean, you might as well go whole hog.
	You know, those are the criminals that We're most successful, the ones that go all the way.
	And, you know, I think it's intelligent, actually.
	I mean, in a really, you know, despicable type of way, but it's smart for them to, you know, if you're going to do it, go all the way.
	Right.
	Well, one of the questions here actually pertains to that because someone's asking how you think they may protect themselves and their kids.
	From this environmental sort of Scrooge that they created.
	Any thoughts?
	Yes, I have a whole chapter in the book titled Solutions.
	It's an unreleased chapter.
	I intend for it to remain unreleased as a catalyst for people to buy the book.
	But there are plenty of things you can do.
	I mean, right off the top, if I had a lot of money and I wanted to continue living in America, I would buy myself a passive house, an airtight house.
	They make these today, airtight houses.
	And what you could do, you could have an airtight house With a central air purification system, you could have it even better than HEPA. You could have something called an electrostatic Air purification systems centralized in the house so that electrostatic air purification systems take out nano-sized particles.
	So if you had that, when you're in your house with all the windows and doors closed with your centralized air purification system running, I mean chemtrails?
	What chemtrails?
	I would also, even though I have not been able to establish this, I've only poked around a little bit, but I would assume that there HEPA filters for the cabin, and I do believe maybe even electrostatic air purification systems.
	I do believe that HEPA filters do take out quite a bit of the stuff in the air, because like I said, I think that even though HEPA filters Don't take out nano-sized particles.
	They take out, what's it called, the next size up?
	Micron-sized.
	Micron-sized particles.
	And so if I'm correct, when the particles get down to where we breathe the air, if they're significantly bigger than the nano-sized, then just an air purification, air purifier that you buy at Home Depot for $100 will do you quite well.
	And I would assume that our I mean, money is a big thing.
	If you're someone running this project, you've got some pretty good cash, and you could have a house somewhere in the world where they're not spraying chemtrails.
	Chemtrails are not sprayed everywhere in the world.
	In fact, I would hazard to say if you factor in the oceans as well, chemtrails are probably only sprayed in about 5 to 10 percent of the Earth's surface.
	Areas like America and industrialized areas of Asia and industrialized areas of Australia and New Zealand and Europe.
	That's actually a very small percentage of the global thing.
	Because you need a lot of infrastructure to make this thing happen.
	You need a lot of technology.
	You need people with the technological savvy and not all areas of the world have that.
	I always mispronounced that word.
	Supplements.
	You can take Dr.
	Blalock, Dr.
	Russell Blalock, somebody I'm sure you're aware of.
	He has recommended turmeric.
	Yes.
	As something that will clean out the portion of the brain that is affected by Alzheimer's.
	And Alzheimer's has been a big...
	The most provable disease caused by exposure to these airborne particulates.
	there's a yeah there's also there's also this thing called pro quarter steps pro let cordyceps cordyceps And Richard Allen Miller and also Nick Begich.
	Nick Begich actually sells the Cordyceps.
	So you can go into Nick Begich's website and purchase them there.
	But those are supposed to actually be very good for this kind of thing as well.
	There are other things also, but you're absolutely right about turmeric.
	This is good.
	And I use a turmeric tea all the time, so it's one of the ways to get it.
	If you eat Indian food, of course you get it.
	And I love Indian food.
	Yeah, I mean, there are ways.
	I have to say that there's also the fact of the matter is that what's happening with our bodies right now is that we are stepping up and the energies coming into the earth are facilitating us.
	Overcoming this kind of stuff.
	So you can appreciate that it's kind of a war in which they're trying to do this whole transhumanism.
	They're bringing in all of this stuff.
	And at the same time, there is an antidote, which is basically higher consciousness and the changing of our physical bodies.
	And I think a lot of people may be aware of The changes in their own physical body and seeing how they're not as dense as they used to be.
	And all of this is going to continue.
	I had Marcia Schaefer on my show.
	She was also talking about this.
	And, of course, Paul LaViolette talks about the super wave.
	We're talking about going through an area of space that is an electromagnetic area that is actually changing our DNA as it is.
	So...
	This is for the positive as opposed to the negative side of things, but it's worth being aware of.
	So we're not alone in this battle.
	We do have some support behind the scenes.
	Yeah, you know, I'll probably be roundly attached for this.
	It's something that you're probably used to at this point.
	But I do believe in extraterrestrials and UFOs and all these things.
	And, you know, I think there's a whole power structure that goes into exopolitics.
	And we don't really understand.
	Most of us don't understand once it goes into the exopolitics thing.
	But, you know, I think that I think we're having devastating victories against the establishment right now, the grassroots and open minds and people who just want a responsible situation here.
	I don't think that we would be able to have these victories if we didn't have exo-people, you know, beings in the exo-political realm that are on our side, you know, working I mean, do you really think that people running the new Manhattan Project and people responsible for it want me out here doing this, exposing this?
	Want you out here doing this, exposing this?
	Of course they don't.
	If they were in a position to shut us down real easy, that's what would happen.
	But somehow, and I don't claim to know how all this works, but somehow they're not able to just shut us down.
	Yeah, I mean, that's a whole subject in and of itself and worth a show or more than one show.
	But it is fascinating what's happening to the human.
	And I talk about there being two paths.
	One is robotic Superman.
	The other is what I call angelic human for the lack of a better sort of moniker.
	But humans are developing naturally.
	Out-developing.
	You might say out-developing.
	It's like an organism.
	You know, you've heard about people who spray like mosquitoes and then the mosquitoes, they develop an immunity to whatever the spray is and then it no longer works.
	It's like that.
	We are out developing at a more rapid rate their ability to create the technology to keep us dumbed down, etc.
	And the evidence of this is everywhere.
	So it's great that you have that attitude.
	This is why the singularity is false.
	This is why the singularity is false.
	This is why I believe it is false.
	It's because human consciousness Yeah, well, I've never thought that actually artificial intelligence can outthink us because the one thing it never will have is the intelligence of the heart.
	And already we have sort of leaps and bounds beyond them because nobody has been able to figure out a test to test your intelligence.
	Equivalent of what's like IQ test, which is nonsense anyway, but the emotional intelligence.
	And what we're talking about is the heart.
	Combine the heart and the mind together and you're exponentially beyond an artificial intelligence right there.
	So this is the unpredictability, the ability of humans to grow.
	To learn through osmosis, which is a whole other way of learning that people are not aware that we have.
	When we share a field like we're sharing right now, We're creating a field.
	This field maintains even when we disband this talk.
	It stays with us.
	You can never unlearn something that you've learned.
	You can try to forget about it.
	Your conscious mind, what they call your conscious mind, We are multidimensional and that's part of why I say that because there's no doubt whatsoever.
	Understanding that We are made up of the DNA of other ET races and have been biogenetically engineered through the ages to contain these various DNA capacities.
	What it means is that we are a composite that goes beyond those individual races.
	So again, we're talking exponential growth of an organism that they can't keep down.
	And the Anunnaki had that trouble a long time ago, and they're still having the same trouble.
	So it's all very interesting.
	Sorry to go on about that.
	Someone here is saying, who are the planners of the chemtrailing?
	I think this is perhaps being asked by someone who didn't join earlier, but do you want to add any remarks to that question?
	Well, we might as well go above the Department of Defense with that question.
	A little earlier, I gave the hierarchy as the Department of Defense at the top.
	And then below them, the MITRE Corporation.
	But if you want to know who I think has been planning and guiding this whole project for 70 years, well, then I think you're talking about something called the Network of Global Corporate Control, also known as the Committee of 300.
	Are you familiar with these terms, Carrie?
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, it even goes beyond that.
	Right.
	Beyond that, it gets really fuzzy.
	Network of Global Corporate Control, this is more provable.
	I understand.
	I'm trying to appeal to an audience as wide as possible.
	If I were to get into UFOs and extraterrestrials, it's like I might as well write another book, you know what I mean?
	Well, it may end up going in that direction, as you know.
	Let's talk about the Committee of 300 and the Network of Global Corporate Control.
	No problem.
	Go ahead.
	That's what the chatter wants to hear about.
	The Network of Global Corporate Control and the Committee of 300 are the same group.
	They've just been presented to us by different authors in different ways and with different names.
	The Network of Global Corporate Control is a study done by three mathematicians at the Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland.
	One of these mathematicians, I believe, was the chair in mathematics at this university.
	This is one of the finest universities in Europe, if not the world.
	And they produced a PDF that you can get online.
	And the title of this PDF is The Network of Global Corporate Control.
	And in this PDF, in this report, in this study, they mathematically, a.k.a. scientifically, determine a group of, I think it's about 250 corporations, global, international corporations, that act as one.
	And they do it through interlocking directorships.
	This is why...
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, you'll see some hotshot business guy.
	He's on the board of directors of a defense company over here.
	He's on the board of directors of a tech company over there.
	He's on the board of directors of a media company over here.
	And it's like, this guy is not an expert in all these different things.
	You know what I mean?
	We spend our whole lives becoming an expert in one thing, and that's what we do.
	This is how things work.
	It's not like this hotshot guy wearing a $10,000 suit is such a great mind on all these different subjects.
	He's just there as a placeholder for the network of global corporate control.
	He's just there to go to the old boy meetings and get the information as to what he's supposed to do at the board meeting and tell the rest of the board members of all these different companies, give them their sheet music as to what they're supposed to be doing and saying and pushing the agenda give them their sheet music as to what they're supposed to be doing and saying and pushing And so there's that.
	And they say that in the network global corporate control PDF, they say that the number one company, the number one corporation in the world, the most powerful out of all these groups is Barclays.
	They say, yeah, Barclays Capital, they say that the financials, Financial institutions, giant financial institutions form the core of the network of global corporate control and the most powerful out of all of them is Barclays.
	Fascinating.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, that's a great thing to pass around.
	I've just put the link to the PDF in the chat so people can download it and read it themselves.
	But good stuff.
	Basically, at the bottom analysis, we're talking about the New World Order.
	So, this has been a great show, and it's been fascinating talking with you.
	It's lovely to meet someone so open-minded and someone who is such a good researcher because you've already pinpointed some of the key players involved in all of this going back up.
	Many, many years, and you've linked things together that most people, you know, I've interviewed a lot of people about chemtrails, and they're all very, very smart, very good at what they do, but they actually never branch out, unfortunately, like what you're doing.
	Nowadays, it's one thing to drill down, and that's very important, but you also have to have a wider view.
	You have to be able to Add to and to and start to really see the overall design of what's really going on.
	And it's great to see that you're going down that road.
	Any additional words that you'd like to add or just statements or any subjects that you wanted to touch on before we let you go?
	Well, I just want to say thank you so much for having me on your I do intend to go into more of an exo-political angle in future books.
	I really see this work as somewhat of laying a foundation for future books.
	I was kind of exposed to this type of information just maybe six or seven years ago, so when you realize how the world really works, And you want to know about it, you want to figure it out, it's a lot of reading, it's a lot of work, and it's going to take a lot of years.
	But I do, at some point, want to write some type of book about, more about, with an exo-political angle, about major movements in the development of humanity over the eons,
	and how those may have been influenced by Heretofore, we have not really come to realize as true and actual things.
	But yeah, thanks a lot for having me on the show, and I hope to come back again and again.
	I really appreciate your work, Kerry.
	I've been watching your interviews for many years, and I hope that you continue doing what you're doing.
	I see you as a staple.
	Thank you.
	Well, thank you so much.
	It's great talking to you.
	Fascinating stuff.
	Encouraging everyone who watches this to buy your book, support your work.
	We need researchers like this.
	Please do support his work.
	Have a great night, everyone.
	Thank you for listening and for joining us.
	We'll be back, actually, tomorrow night, let's see, not tomorrow night, but Wednesday night with Sean David Morton.
	We're going to be talking about the Secret Space Program, his new book, which is called The Isomer Protocol, and it's book three of Sands of Time.
	It's all about, believe it or not, it's just down these lines that we're talking about.
	It gets into time travel.
	It's all about the person who ran Area 51.
	And he died or somehow left the planet.
	And he gave Sean, his lawyer, bequeathed to Sean all of his records.
	And so this is all based on true testimony, Sean's new books.
	So that's on Wednesday night.
	So join us at 7 p.m.
	at that time, Pacific Time.
	So thank you again.
	And it's been great talking to you.
	And I hope everyone will follow your work in the future.
	And please do stay in touch with me, Peter Kirby.
	And I want to say that if everyone will also, if you're interested, we just completed exporting all the files from the presentations at my Awaken Aware conference in England, the one at Watford, High Elms.
	And so there's some great presentations there.
	It does support my work.
	We do need donations at this time to continue.
	And so they're very cheap.
	I made them ridiculously cheap.
	But they're amazing information.
	So please do go over to Vimeo.
	Go to my website and get the link and go to Vimeo and watch those.
	You won't be wasting your money, I assure you.
	And it will help Camelot continue and to do more work ourselves in this area.
	So, Peter, any parting words on your side?
	PeterAKirby.com.
	PeterAKirby.com.
	I need fuel.
	Absolutely.
	It's so important to fund and keep researchers going.
	So thank you again, everyone, for listening.
	And have a great night.

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