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July 29, 2016 - Project Camelot
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INTERVIEW WITH MARCIA SCHAFER RE Spirconomics (her new book)
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Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and we're about to start my this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and we're about to start my interview
We're going to be talking about her new book, Spurconomics, and I'm going to read a short, actually excerpts from her bio and make sure that we can be seen and heard in the chat room.
So, one moment one moment here.
Okay, so I'm going to start officially now.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here today with Marcia Schaefer.
And Marcia is actually someone that Camelot has interviewed in the past, and some of you may be familiar.
Others, not so much.
So what I'm going to do is read a quick bio here and try to get you familiar with And up to speed with Marsha and the work she's been doing.
She's got a wonderful new book out called Spurconomics.
And it is, let me get it on the screen here.
So one moment.
OK, there we go.
So she's a sought-after MBA intuitive consultant and award-winning author.
She's featured in magazines and radio and TV and videos, and she shares the global stage with astronauts, Pulitzer Prize winners, and other notables to bring audiences' information and her special insights into windows of reality.
She's the founder of the groundbreaking firm Beyond Zebra and Marcia cheekily balances her time between teaching innovators how to become skilled humanitarian pioneers who set down tracks to a better tomorrow and also answering life's simple questions like what happens when we die?
Are aliens real?
And what does the cat really think about the dog?
Um, actually very funny.
Uh, so Marcia is a very, very interesting person and she's had a lot of, uh, E.T. contact in her past, as well as currently, I assume.
And I'm going to read just some brief excerpts here on this sort of overview of the book, just to get people up to speed.
So it's about snatching back the future, and she talks about how evolution is impacted by three layers of incarnating soul groups.
And the powerful agendas that are quietly pushing us towards a certain future or uncertain future, depending on how you look at it.
And why tackling seven specific areas will accelerate a much needed social turnaround.
What to expect for major changes.
To the way man lives in communities and how the world is unknowingly swayed by a new hidden force coming from deep space and what that means to your future.
So, uh, we've got, uh, we've got the, um, the actual book here on the site online and, uh, in front and center.
And I'm gonna, there is a slight delay on the YouTube, so I'm just gonna let that sit there for just the moment.
And that'll, that'll do.
So, uh, So, I'd like to welcome Marcia Schaefer.
Marcia, how are you doing today?
I'm great.
Thank you for having me.
How are you doing, Carrie?
I've known you for years.
I know.
Well, this is one of those settings in which we sort of see each other in sort of a different role, so to speak.
But nonetheless, it's great to have you on the show.
And so I'd love you to give an overview of why you wrote the book and what you consider the book to be about for our listeners.
You know, what a lot of people I think don't realize is that I wrote the book based on a lifetime of extraterrestrial experiences.
You've had me in front of your audiences before in the past where I talked about those situations and the details of it.
But about maybe five years ago, all of a sudden everything started changing and I started becoming aware that They weren't isolated situations, that I was actually being unwittingly trained with a certain set of information to help me have a better understanding of what an advanced society needs to do to have a peaceful and productive civilization.
And all this information came in along with a really heavy analysis of the state of the earth Right now and humanity and the things that had been going on.
So then I had the daunting task of, I have all this information, how do I present it?
And how do I present it to a wide swath of people?
Because people like us and your audience are aware of a number of the things, many of the things that I talk about in the book.
But a large group of people who are very important to our future aren't as familiar with these types of things.
So I had to put it all together in a way to lay the platform so that we could get then, yes there is a cat here if you can see her, so that we can then go forward Together collectively and do the things we need to do to make a turnaround.
Because what they taught me was this is a critical time in history, an unprecedented time where humanity has the opportunity, if we come together in a new way and take certain steps, to change the future, to rewrite the destiny path, to own the future that belongs to us.
But if we don't do those things, then the likelihood is that another Timeline will go forth.
Another set of circumstances will go forth that has been constructed by those who don't necessarily have our best interests at heart, who still see humanity as nothing more than a violent, unruly group that has to be controlled rather than optimized and given the opportunity to go forward in a new way.
And what you're seeing right now, which is kind of interesting, all over the planet, and particularly in the United States, is, you know, a lot of chaos, a lot of violence, a lot of political turmoil, a lot of change, which is one of the many indicators that gives us, that lets us know that this is a time right for an opportunity to go forward.
So there's a tremendous amount of information we'll cover.
As much as we can succinctly today for your audience.
But that's the basic thing is this is given to me from an outsider's viewpoint in a series of Discussions, shall we say, that looks at humanity and says, you know, a hidden demographic is here on the planet, and you have a collective job.
If you come together, you can really have a power to influence the cultures, to influence the societies, and lay down the seeds for a new future.
And apparently, I've been told this has been tried in the past, that we've tried to do this in other times, in other eras, in other places.
But this is almost like a graduation for us, to say, okay, you know, you're really ready to pull it off this time.
So, that's what Sparkonomics is about.
And it also addresses the impact of, look, this planet, as we know, is really ruled by industry, business, big business interests, commerce, commercial interests.
And that's got to change.
And that's why the book's called Spirconomics, because it's putting a spiritual overlay into economics to create a new type of fusion.
Many people are already approaching and dancing on this pathway of spiritual economics and a new type of future.
But right now, when we look at our future, it's not about how much money do I make or how much power can I have.
It's really about what kind of quality of life are we going to have and how we're going to live in partnership with, I want to say, a new understanding of the planet, but it's really not new.
It's just maybe lost and forgotten by many that we have a relationship with the planet.
So Spurconomics was written as a platform to give people who are interested in this unifying, binding spiritual philosophy to pull us together as a demographic group A common ground because I have a forum opening up soon online where I'm going to go much further and continue to mentor those who are doing the work within many of the special areas that can really cause turnarounds in societies.
I was given a target of seven particular areas in contemporary modern societies that if we really look at them and change them and do things differently, That's how you really change a contemporary modern-day society, to move, to change the culture, to reposition the people who live within, to have different types of expectations.
So, the book I realized, I started the forum first.
I started to open it and I realized, I can't do this.
People need to have a common ground.
They need to have the platform of the work first.
So that we can go forward and not have to waste time going over all these elements that I've slammed together in a book and said, here, read this.
And then we're going to go race forward from there.
So I hope that conveyed a bit of what it's about, but it really is about the subtitle.
It's about snatching back the future and how a hidden demographic can change our pathway on this planet.
Absolutely.
So I don't know why I have a slight...
Echo here, but at any rate.
So what I was wondering is, can you talk a little bit about the sort of separation into three groups?
And some people may take issue with some of those groups.
And they're pretty big buckets, so it's not like really, you know, going to have a lot of issues, but I'll get into that.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, these are generalizations, but they're important generalizations because they give you the opportunity to look at people's behaviors in a certain way and have a different type of understanding of where they're coming from and then adjust your communication to that.
So, there's three groups that are here.
It used to be just really two groups over the prior centuries.
It used to be the first group of people who are enlightenment seekers, which is really the majority of your audience.
People who want to know higher truth.
They have a spiritual passion that's usually non-denominational.
They look into mystic life.
They have a different expectation and interpretation of life.
Let me spend a moment talking about them first.
This group is somebody who isn't as attached to money.
Yeah, you know, you gotta earn a living, you gotta have a standard of living, you gotta get by.
But the biggest thing for them really is the pursuit of higher knowledge and the pathway for spirituality.
And knowledge, information, is so important to them.
They look behind the reality curtain.
I call it the mystic's curtain.
They pull it aside and they say, look, I know everything's not as it seems.
They often have well-advanced psychic abilities within themselves, so they have a good intuition.
And this group looks at things and interprets things differently than the other group.
Now I'm going to slide over to the other group for a minute just for comparison.
The other group is what we have always called in mystic lore, the masses.
These are people who aren't interested as much or aware of the things the mystics are.
They are really involved in everyday life, in getting by, and they don't have as much time or interest in self-reflection.
So they are interested in whatever is needed within their culture of everyday life.
And in a contemporary culture, say here in the United States, it may be a middle class person looking to get the kids off to school or their extracurricular activities, answering to the needs of their boss, making the mortgage payment or the rent, whatever those needs are, and it really consumes them.
In this group, where the other group it was more spiritual knowledge and an inner peace that drives them and drives them to want to know more about these types of things, This group sees more of the answers to life as defined by money.
and income because that's how they see you kind of get your escape and your freedom from life if you have a lot of money you don't have to answer to as many people that you may not want to answer to you have the freedom to do the things you want and you have a standard of living that is often surrounded around material things so this group is more material materially driven where the people who are on the path to seek higher knowledge Aren't as impacted by that.
So those are the two groups that historically have been around.
But now, in our contemporary time frame, we have a third group.
And it's almost like the spiritual equivalent of the middle class.
These masses have been stratified into two groups.
One is very much like I just described.
You know, they have the everyday needs and they're focused on what they want.
But there's a third group that is really, really rigid and entrenched in very definite beliefs that are black and white and there's no gray area.
So the third group is broken out into What I call like a real fundamental type of person.
It's characterized by people who are very rigid...
I don't want to say conservative because conservative has political overtoes.
But it has rigid intolerance, very self-righteous type of thinking in their patterns.
And they very much are...
We're extremists oftentimes in religious ideology.
This is what you must believe because it's conscripted to us, and this is the pattern.
And that religious ideology cuts across every single religion.
There can be fanatical approaches to whether it's Christianity, Judaism, Islamism.
Even cult types of approaches to beliefs.
And the person often believes that they're special.
They have a mission.
The information comes from a very sacred source to them, whether it's a charismatic figure or an ancient god figurehead.
It doesn't matter.
But this group is very rigid and intolerant and doesn't like change.
And anybody who's seen, who challenges them, becomes an enemy.
The other group that the masses have split into are remaining very much focused on everyday life, as I described before.
They're the spiritual middle class.
They are really, really important to our future because you've got, one, the enlightenment seekers, Two, the spiritual middle class who are just trying to get by and doing the best they can with what they have.
And three, this group of very fundamentalist, rigid thinkers who don't want any change and believe that their way is the only way, the right way.
The middle class is kind of in a place now where they're breaking out and stratifying.
And they're going to either stay where they are and remain a little more rigid, or shift over and To the enlightenment pathway.
And a large, large, large group of them are already busting out and looking for answers and wanting to know what's going on.
Things don't seem right.
They're having glimpses into paranormal life or they're very intrigued by the other side of the reality curtain.
And part of this is fostered by the fact that there's so much scientific information researched and so many advances have been made that explain what was once hidden away in mystic realms and make it accessible and attainable to the everyday person because they're very intellectually oriented where somebody on the mystics pathway and the enlightenment pathway is willing to just let go and go whoa I know that happened you know or talk about the
differences in time space reality and Extraterrestrial reality is a given.
It's not even, you know, an argument for them.
The person in the middle class pathway is...
Wanting proof or wanting answers.
And so science has given that to them, and also the accessibility of the internet to reach lots of information has given that to them.
So they're stratifying out, and they're really, so many of them are breaking out and wanting to know more.
Now, that then changes the situation for the enlightenment thinkers.
We have a lot of information that could be shared, but we don't always share it in a way that is palatable to the middle group.
They're just looking for information.
Sometimes we go too far up.
Excuse me, into our own understanding of things and don't break it down and speak to the middle group in a way that really makes it attainable.
But let me just break in here a little bit.
And thank you, Marsha, for the explanation.
And I think that's pretty clear to the people.
But let me say that, generally speaking, anyone who is a regular Camelot viewer in general will fit into the first category.
They are spiritually seeking.
They are interested in the sort of metaphysical side of reality, and that goes with what they came in with.
And a lot of them are aware of having a mission, etc., etc.
What you really seem to be aiming at with this book is, as you say, this middle group that we might, in sort of loose jargon, refer to as the mainstream.
A lot of these people are professionals.
Some work a day jobs, whatever.
But at the same time, they're starting to question their reality.
They're starting to see things like 9-11 was indeed an inside job.
they're starting to question everything and they're starting to move in the direction of the fact that there may be more to reality than they previously thought.
And I think in some ways you're really aiming to get those, you might call them crossovers, to sort of look in the direction of building a new future and reaching them with some of the information that's come forward, both in terms to sort of look in the direction of building a new future and reaching them with some of the information that's come forward, both in terms of science and in terms of, well,
and And certainly this can enhance every part of life, including economics and how we're surviving on the planet right now, all of which has to change.
And I think everyone knows that.
at least the people in my sector certainly know and many people do see a financial reset in our future so all of this will sort of go towards that and helping people understand The changes that are coming and help to shift and also shift with them as well as be harbingers of change,
actually create the change and make it, steer it so that it creates a world that's more beneficial to humanity in general, including themselves.
So...
Wait a minute, I just want to jump in.
You've just hit it in a nutshell.
Well, one of the main things is that the group...
The Project Camelot audience, of which I'm a part, is sometimes we don't convey ourselves as well as we could to that second group.
So the book also kind of serves as a reminder of sometimes we've got to step out of what we know And be that bridge, you know, and just step back, not be as forceful with our information, and just look at how we can offer it in different ways so that it's palatable.
So it also reminds us to sometimes reframe things or, you know, really put a lot of attention to communication.
Because it's not about being right, it's about opening doors and sharing information, building collaborations.
So that's what that part is, you know, that looks at the demographics, which, you know, I'm sure your audience is Very, very familiar with.
But it puts it down in an articulated way that makes it easy to digest.
And for people who aren't familiar with it, you know, can say, oh, maybe, yeah.
So, you know, maybe you can talk a little bit about actually where you go with the book.
You know, obviously we can't cover all of it here, but to give people an idea that once you break out these sort of groups and talk a little bit about that and your work, and you can also elaborate what you've done in the past that kind of brought you to this place.
But if you can also then sort of build...
The future as you see it in terms of what are the next steps that you perhaps are guiding people towards.
Well, this gets back to where we first started when I said I was given the information.
And one of the things that was conveyed was that mankind has to start to live differently in communities.
And so part one of what we just established of looking at the world through different filters and trying to remember who you are, if you know who you are.
Part two is about, you know, the strategies and what do we do.
There's a lot of things happening around us that we get, you know, we understand and we see the distributors behind them, but sometimes we don't see the way that they're all woven together.
And right now we have a great rush of really strong technological advances coming towards us.
Artificial technology has really made a move forward.
The extraterrestrial reality.
Carrie, if you remember back when, you know, people like you and I were talking about it, you know, 10, 15 years ago, look at where it is now.
You know, it's part of common culture.
Look at it on TV. Things that were just, you know, in a really small enclave are really making their way out.
So that's changing.
Then we've got a lot of changes happening geographically, climate-wise, weather-wise.
People will come to that and say, there's always been weather changes on the planet and dramatic shifts.
Yeah, there have been.
And here's another one.
So there's a lot of drama going on, and I think we're going to be facing a lot more drama going on with the way the world is changing around us environmentally.
And at the same time, for our audience, it's really comfortable to talk about this.
What I was taught many years ago that I used to briefly mention is that They used to explain that in the future, that humanity is going to be changed from an evolutionary standpoint, and that it would happen because as the planetary confluence moves along in our galaxy to a new place in time-space reality,
There'll be different elements that will influence us, just the way we know the sun radiates and influences us and turns our skin brown or can cause cancer or make vitamin D. There's going to be other types of elements that the human hasn't been exposed to before that will be invisible,
unknown at the quantum level, but they said it will have an impact on humanity and it will affect us from an evolutionary standpoint by changing The human being in some ways.
So we've got leaping artificial intelligence coming to us.
We have extraterrestrial reality.
We have got tremendous environmental changes which are bringing with them resource distribution changes that we'll have to be facing.
And then we've got these unknowns, these quantum elements, things that are happening in deep space that We're potentially affecting us as humanity.
All coming together to give us the potential to determine who do we want to be and take the reins away from the pathway that's set in front of us.
Now let me explain that for a minute.
The pathway that's set in front of us seems to be a very heavy emphasis on bringing us into Not just a relationship on artificial intelligence, but a dependence upon it.
Without having given much thought to the social implications, the economic implications, the spiritual implications, which is more important than any of the other things, and man understanding what this means.
We've just been pushed into this relationship with apprentices that made our life easier.
We've enjoyed having them, brought great convenience, given us more free time, you know, whether it's booking a reservation through Siri or, you know, even look at how we're meeting here and not even having to have a conference or anything like that.
All these types of things that we know about and, you know, the whole Even the Pokemon new programs now is really getting people ready and more deeply involved into having relationships with artificial intelligence.
And I'm sure you're very aware of the advances that have already been made that aren't In the common culture yet, in terms of robotics and robotic intelligence and synthetics, etc.
And I know your audience is very familiar with this, but there hasn't been given any thought as to, Jesus, how does this infect the culture?
And how does this Carrie, are you still there?
Yeah, I am.
I'm actually showing people your website while you're talking, so don't be disturbed by that.
So there's all these things that are going on.
And when I was given this doctrine of information over a period of five years in snippets and pieces and realized how it put together, the end point was, the message was, We really want to have people understand that you've got to live together in communities differently, and you've got to learn to collaborate, for one, and you can perfectly well rebuild civilization and not have to accept what's being given to you.
And the secret to doing this is by having those who are willing to do this, ready to understand that the human being is far more than the potential has It has far more potential than has ever been explored before by coming together in new ways.
So one of them is living together in these communities that we can call echo-munities because they learn how to live and take the best of what nature and the natural world offers us, but still takes in elements of technology and higher living.
And also brings in the third added element of when we combine ourselves collectively.
Not only do we have a general force, but there's been so many things that people have done in terms of combining energies and creating energy fields and creating combined efforts.
If you look way back to the harmonic convergence, for those of us who can remember that, and on to today, there's many entities who work with combined energies.
These were, I believe, to be old Atlantean processes, and these are things that can be brought in to communities to teach people how to live together in collaboration, to serve the needs that they have with each other,
and then also to use their higher processes There's psychic abilities and activate them in a way that they connect with each other and create very potent types of electromagnetic fields that are around them.
Okay, so thank you.
And what we've been doing is showing people a bit of your website so that they could kind of see where you come from.
Those that are in the chat have been asking about your previous book, so I gave them a link to that.
And now we've actually also given them some information about your current book.
So while you were talking there, I was just going to say you may just interject.
Also, the new stuff is Spurconomics.com and that's where this whole new process is.
There's a link to it off the old website.
Okay, great.
And I can certainly put that on there for people in the chat once we get going.
So, in terms of what you understand at this moment about the energies coming in and how you yourself are being affected, and I know my audience are aware of them, and Paul LaViolette, for one thing, has also talked about About this energy coming from the galactic core, which he calls a super wave.
Whether or not it's actually the same identical energies or different, we certainly know that our solar system is moving into a certain other part of space in essence.
We are merging, it is said, with the Sagittarius galaxy.
We've got a lot going on in the cosmos that is certainly facilitating change on a human level.
And accelerating what's going on here on the planet, but as well in the planets in our solar system and beyond.
And a lot of that has been documented on Project Camelot by various whistleblowers and witnesses, as you can appreciate.
So what else in terms of the community sort of aspect of what you've been sharing with people is Because that's quite interesting.
You did sort of highlight a few communities.
I noticed that you weren't aware, maybe, I don't know, of Michael Tellinger's community, which is, let's see if I can remember the name of it.
Maybe someone in the chat can remind me.
Anyway, he's got a whole community that he's doing in South Africa today.
And he's sort of spawned, you know, lookalikes or whatever you want to call that out there.
And right now we're sending people to your website.
I guess, I think this is the Spurcanomics one.
Yes, it is.
You know, in regards to Michael Tellinger, you know, I learned about him after I wrote what he was doing in that regard after I wrote the book.
I just provided a few throughout history and some contemporary ones to look at.
But what I was told is these are going to be popping up all over the globe.
Yes.
All over the globe.
And that this is the root of tomorrow.
And that we really need to recognize it as we're doing it.
It's no longer the, you know, feel-good, funky-dunky, hippie communes.
These are reformed communities that cross all strata.
And we need to understand the potency of it.
But they also should be linking.
You know, and we have the technology today to do it in a way that we never had before.
So that's what makes it so exciting, is that, you know...
Whether it's in South Africa or Czechoslovakia or France or the United States, everybody can be so connected in a way that they never had in the past and really expedite the process to share.
You know, the main message that I was told over and over again is, it's not about you or me, it's about all of us.
And we really have so many of us who just, you know, like to stay in our own backyard and And educate ourselves and get the most highest awareness we can, however you want to put it.
We can't do that anymore.
We've really got to reach out and build a new type of bonds with, you know, we talk about love and peace, but, you know, we've got to really live it.
We've got to really practice it.
And we have to put it into action in a way that's unprecedented.
Yes, absolutely.
I can say that there are a lot of people out there that are maybe less known that are creating communities.
I've come across some of them and been invited to some of them, in fact, to join some of them.
There are people that are also called preppers.
Some of those people that are actually preppers are actually building communities.
They've just decided to go off the grid.
They've decided to I think that this is the wave of the future.
Project Avalon was created by Bill Ryan and myself originally to actually be a centralization point for people who wanted to build communities to find each other.
And there's going to be a need for that sort of networking coming in the near future, I can say for sure.
Yeah, that's what sparkonomics.com, that's what one part is for.
And I'd love for you and everybody else to share with me all the communities that you know about so that I can add them to a list that I have and offer them to people.
You don't have to even necessarily join them, but take a look at what they're doing.
Borrow what you like and everything from it.
You know, communities may also start out by reforming old neighborhoods, you know, and people coming together.
Wouldn't it be great, you know, if so many of us lived within walking distance of each other instead of having to use the internet to travel thousands of miles?
You know, people sometimes want to redefine who they live in an immediate community with to be able to expedite things that they're doing, you know, and, you know, whether it's transportation or Or, you know, new information or community centers or resources for the elderly.
We have to redefine how we take care of ourselves.
So, you know, it's so exciting for me when you tell me, you know, about how there's so many of these growing up.
Because I know of a bunch of them.
I certainly don't know of all of them.
And, you know, it's just what they said.
They said, this is the future.
It's just going to pop up in satellite hubs around the world.
You know, they told me this so long ago.
And a lot of times I just go...
Wow, that's really interesting.
Let's see it.
Well, absolutely.
And I can say that George Green is one of the pioneers in this area.
He talked about putting together what he called the Ground Crew.
And he wrote these books, and they're free, actually, on his website.
I think it's called nohoax.com, but I'm not sure the name of it nowadays.
But you can look under George Green and find his website.
But the Pleiadians that he was in contact were communicating this would be the wave of the future from their point of view.
So maybe you can talk about your ET contact and where you got some of your information from and any other sort of, I guess, extenuating details that you feel you might want to share.
You know, over the years, and I know in your archives, I've talked about having been in contact with a lot of different species.
And most of the species that I mentioned are very familiar to us, you know, We know them by names of, you know, Greys, Palladians, Arcturians, you know, and so on.
And then I also talked about higher monthly dimensionals that seemed to be different from extraterrestrials because they weren't necessarily in bodies and they lived in a different dimensional frequency or existed in a different dimensional frequency in time-space.
The information that I've been given, there are some groups, I don't know who the heck they are or what they are.
I've never seen anything like them.
I'm still learning.
There is one representative that has followed me.
This is, you know, where we go off script here, and I don't usually talk about this stuff in the news, but there's one individual who seems to be of a feminine gender who has followed me, and I remember her throughout time in different...
I don't know who or what she is.
She's got almost like fine, fine little fur.
She has small, delicate features where a lot of reptilians have Broader, different types of features.
She seems to have more delicate types of features, a very round head, almost like a simian type of shape.
She often dresses herself when she comes into communities and civilizations.
In the olden times, she used to wear like a brown cloak around her and just kind of mix in.
I have no idea who or what she is, but she is part of a contingency.
There's many others like her who has followed me and given me information.
Throughout the years and throughout this lifetime in particular.
And, you know, I just don't, never think to really ask for any details because, you know, in the moment I'm just so enraptured of the information and there and...
I'm trying to learn out more throughout my life about them, but it's never been a real focus.
So this is a group that I've never seen or heard of, one of the groups that has been really following me and giving me information throughout.
I almost wish I had artistic ability.
I'd love to be able to draw her, but the best I can explain is...
People who are looking on screen can see my face, can see Carrie's face.
So imagine somebody who is like, Very, very tiny, delicate, round features.
I gotta find somebody famous at some point that I can make a comparison to.
Not an Audrey Hepburn, because her eyes are way too big, much smaller than that.
But you don't have that round type of head, round type of face.
I think that that kind of covers it.
I mean, people don't need too much to get too specific.
A lot of people in your audience have their own extraterrestrial contacts.
And the real thing is, in time-space reality and different frequencies...
Not only any being, any thought form can take on a reality of itself that you can create and can communicate with, too.
And I think your audience probably gets that.
Absolutely.
Now, there's another part in your book that I liked, which had to do with reincarnation, and the notion that you're bringing that forward, especially to this group of people who perhaps are not so open to it or familiar with it, but maybe are experiencing past life memories and overlays and that sort of thing.
And I wonder if you'll talk about some of the The small examples you had in your book, maybe choose one if that suits, or just in general because people are interested in reincarnation and I have often talked about how our audience is a soul group and very much familiar with the fall of Atlantis,
for example, and that many of these people are reincarnated at this time and that we are at a similar juncture I believe that we've turned the corner, but there are still earth changes in the future that we will go through.
Some of those people are experiencing, like when I go to Malta, I talk to people who are, you might say, very awake and aware, but at the same time having a lot of recurring dreams.
Of being inundated by water and that sort of thing, being sort of from the time of Atlantis and thinking it's going to happen again.
Now, I don't happen to think it's going to be like that again.
I do think we're going to have some emerging land masses, and you and I have both had psychic experiences.
Intuition along these lines that we've shared offline.
So could you go down that road a little bit?
Okay, so let me do first a couple of examples in the reincarnation of how that's attracting a new group of people.
Then I'll talk about some of the things that you and I have shared.
The reincarnation is really interesting because, as you said, so many people want to know about it.
Besides the people who remember it in our type of audience that we're talking about, they have had glimpses.
People worldwide are waking up to a very large scope.
And so when I do the consulting that I do to help people become humanitarian pioneers, the first thing I do is I take a look at their soul path, their reincarnational pathway, who they've been and why they're here now.
And there's been so many interesting situations.
Like somebody today is a cartoonist and they share that they had When they were a little child, they used to be in their room drawing maps, never interested why a little boy, you know, as a little boy, why am I drawing maps?
And in one of their lifetimes, you know, he was a cartographer for the Portuguese naval fleet and, you know, was responsible for the maps and, you know, interpreting them and distributing them, working with the crew, you know, to help them understand where they're going, working with the captain, etc.
You know, another situation was...
A woman who just couldn't understand why she said, you know, I just feel like I want to make jams and jellies and I wonder if I want to go in that direction and make a business.
And before I... When I realized that, you know, that was her business focus, what was shown was that she was in the Middle Ages and was left bereft when her husband died, very, very poor, in a tiny village in the Middle Ages in Europe and had to make her way.
And one of the ways that she made her way to survive was that she created, you know, a very simple jam confection in that time And then we sell it to the villagers to make money.
And these examples go on and on and on.
And even that's just situational, not saying nothing of relationships between parents and spouses and children.
So when I do the consulting work, people usually are like, oh, wow.
Then we move into, you know, how do you make it potent?
What did you learn from all this?
And what's your sole purpose?
And, you know, let's see where you can fit in and optimize this lifetime.
So that's really something, as you just pointed out, and I've mentioned in the book, that people are waking up all over the world, and they're really grasping onto their reincarnational memories.
They're bleeding through.
They're just seeping through as people are trying to say, Who am I? What's going on?
And this doesn't necessarily fit with what I was taught, but look at the rest of the world, beliefs and reincarnation.
Look at all this large populations of people who are out there, who it's part of their culture and belief.
It's been around longer than almost any civilization.
You can find it everywhere.
So the reincarnational aspect is something I think that, you know, it's like knocking on the door.
What I wrote about is that people who are here today with a mystic bent, Often have like a silent time bomb going off inside of themselves with a message that says, you know, it's time.
You've really got to get moving.
And that's what's bringing people to my door, to other people's doors, is they're hearing this internal message inside that I've got to do something.
I, you know, I may not be aware of why I was born or why I'm here, but I've got to do something.
I've worked with people from 14 years old to 90 years old.
Recently, you know, we're just saying wow Then you look at all that against the backdrop of the violence and chaos that is in the forefront in the world today But you and I know that there's a lot of really good going on that we're not seeing we're seeing the violence the chaos We're not seeing this turnover to the new society the new tomorrow that's happening and that's what I want to do is help people showcase The good,
the advancement, the emerging civilization, the emerging human over the loud cacophony of noise and violence and chaos that is happening.
And we need to help build that balance up and make that shift so that people feel more secure in moving forward and saying, I have a future.
You're watching your eyes looking.
Is there something going on in the chat room?
Oh, no.
I'm always monitoring both things.
Okay.
Because I can't see the chat from you.
Yeah, no, you know, it just is ongoing.
But what I wanted to say is you also talk about then jumpstarting the future, and I think that that's...
Something that everyone is interested in.
Camelot gets a lot of people writing to us saying, please tell us how we can, you know, help change the world and so on.
And I've also been talking to people lately and really stressing that we are creative, that we are, you know, linked to the creator by being sparks to the creator and that our creative ability is what we can really bring to the fore.
to create the new future and to create sort of new futures individually for people that are having let's say stumbling blocks along the way and I like your story about the woman who's who may jam because you're talking about a long time ago a very you know a person of small means and so on and yet this is a wonderful sort of gift and and loving way to To support herself and her family.
And I think that goes on all the time.
I can say that I was recently in Paris and I was working on my book there.
And walking the streets, you know, in between riding to get exercise and all of that.
And what I was struck by and I was actually talking to is entrepreneurs all over Paris starting small businesses.
And they said to me, you know, we're not part of the corporations.
We're doing this on our own.
They were very proud of that.
And they had a very unique approach and very artistic approach to to displaying the various goods that they were offering people and it's a whole different sort of community it's all over Paris and there's really a sense in Paris of innovation and creativity which there always has been over history of course everyone knows you know Paris being the center for the arts but more than ever now we get a whole group of people
new young entrepreneurs creating new businesses You bring up something so important because this is also when you say the young.
People put a lot of labels on the millennials.
The millennials are really intriguing.
These are the people who are really going to do the work and the conversion.
At my age and my generation, we were like the path setters, opening up the doors.
But this next generation or generations are the ones who are going to really be doing the work and setting it down.
And these artisanal type of communities are, you know, just the tip of the iceberg.
They're the way that people want to live, closer to the earth, closer to each other.
But at the same time, we don't get rid of technology in the high-end life that we've had in the 21st century.
We use the best of it, and we use it under our mastery rather than letting it master us or somebody else controlling it and saying, look it, this is what we're going to take you down into before you even realize what's happening to you.
So these communities are just, you know, so important.
I've worked with people in over 45 countries.
You know, and just like you say, the majority of them are refugees from the corporate world.
You know, I've worked with people who've been worked as physicists, as professors, as lawyers, as doctors, as well as just, you know, as people who are teachers and mothers and, you know, even people out of Hollywood.
All sorts of people, you know, who want to be redefining how do they live because even though they're putting on the face of the average world, they want out.
They want to live true and authentic to themselves, to the emerging human that they are becoming.
So now we need these emerging villages, which will spread out and I believe become a global network that will change the course of the future.
Absolutely.
You know, that's where the power is.
But, you know, it's like...
We've got to come together collaboratively and really understand what we're sharing and who we're sharing with and give it out there.
So that's why I put together the Spurconomics Forum.
The forum, though, is initially started for people who are really serious about it, you know, to get it going and get it moving forward.
And then I'm going to take it into phase two and spread it out to a wider audience.
Okay, well, let's see.
We've been talking for about an hour, a little more, and I think it'd be great to open this up to questions from the chat room if you're willing to do that.
Absolutely.
And at the same time, you're welcome to talk about anything that you feel...
In other words, a question could spur you to talk about something else.
And so it's kind of wide open.
I will also continue to ask you questions as we go along here.
So I'm going to look quickly and see if there are any good questions in the chat.
And while I do that, why don't you talk about...
It says here, four brewing storms fast shaping our future.
Why don't you talk about those brewing storms while I look through the chat and see if there's any questions here?
Okay.
I hit on them really quickly before, and I'll highlight them again, is that we need to be very much aware of The move into bringing open, well, the move into space, excuse me, I can't talk for a moment.
The move, water.
I have a real dry mouth right now.
The move into space pioneering.
Because the move into space pioneering brings with it the cosmic identity that we have.
And so, you know, we're moving out.
We're going to be moving out in terms of not just exploration, but mass commercialization again under the corporate guise that's out there and exists.
But it really is bringing us out into the community and realizing who's out there and it's the introduction to the extraterrestrial presence.
That is going to reshape us immensely.
That's where a lot of people like me and you and so many others have been talking about for I think 15 years or more at this point is getting people to understand not just that is there, who is out there, but the ramifications to us and how we have to change to be appropriate to it.
Okay, so the other aspect, as I mentioned, is dealing with the reality of the current phase of environmental change right now.
What that is going to create is...
Well, first let me stop and say I agree with you.
And what you said is I don't think it's going to be a resurgence of the Atlantean deluge.
But I think it's going to be a modification of our lifestyle and a lot of change on the planet with changing geography that is happening.
And again, Carrie and I have had...
Off-camera conversations about this.
Great details about some things.
But, you know, that is gonna happen.
So what's that gonna create as we have the environmental change that's gonna create the face of tomorrow?
Huge diaspora.
Great migrations of people moving around.
We're already starting to see it.
We've seen certain small countries start to sink.
I started to think, oh my god, are we going to have a future?
We've seen, you know, patterns of people moving around because of whether it's war-torn reality or economic issues impacting them or environmental issues.
I believe the environmental issue is going to strongly push people around the world.
What's that going to do?
It's going to create cultural co-mingling.
And that's going to be met by some with great anger and resistance, and others are going to go open their arms wide and say, you know, this is terrific.
So it's going to break down some of those age-old walls that have been sewed up by the strict fundamentalist perspectives on things.
Because people are going to be moving into territories and bringing new ideas and shifting things around.
And we're going to have to adapt because things are going to, I believe, particularly the water issue, which I've been prepared for for a long time, is going to be the most driving force making things change.
I think that that's absolutely right.
I think that moving populations of people and some of these border issues that are already coming to the fore and have been for a while.
I mean, I live in California that they're always talking about migrants here.
But, you know, I do think that there's a need to be more open minded about what's going to come in the future.
And that we are going to have to adapt and bring in new cultures and in various parts of the world.
People will come from war-torn areas and children are going to be homeless and need our help.
And I do think that there needs to be a new openness to the changing character of what's going to be sort of, in essence, life on planet Earth.
What you're describing is happening.
We're just talking about it in a much greater scope that you can't escape it anymore.
You know, you can't ignore it and say it doesn't impact you.
That's what I think what we're talking about.
Because we both realize this is happening all around.
But, you know, this is going to be affecting everybody's lives.
Absolutely.
And then the financial reset, I think, is a big one.
So maybe you can talk a little bit about that, and then I'll get to some questions.
There are a few here.
Okay.
You know, the financial reset is really the fundamental perspective, and that's why it's called for economic, spiritual economics.
You know, the corporatization of the world has not necessarily been a good thing for humanity.
And so...
We have to redefine business instead of the intention being creating massive amounts of wealth for self-serving purpose in terms of the reason for business is commercial interactions between people for the betterment of life.
And this to people like you and me and our audience means nothing.
But to people outside our realm is a flash word.
It means a different type of social perspective of what we live, how we live, who we live with, and what we give to each other.
So we have to become a kind, tolerant humanity.
We have to redefine who we are, not just to ourselves, but to each other.
And realize the value and the quality of life.
And people will look at people and dismiss them as an entire group.
Within a group, you could have that next person who saves humanity from a plague, from any culture, from any civilization, from any worldwide region, who brings us the next sense of awareness that brings us to a greater state of wisdom.
Our new philosophers, everybody who is coming in who's going to have an impact on the planet, Are being born everywhere, underneath every culture, every economic strata.
The redefining of business is about the quality of life that we have, not about a Midas accrual of wealth.
It's about redefining what we have, what we want out of life, how we want to live, not only for ourselves, but collectively.
Right.
And so, specifically though, in terms of this year, because this year seems to be a big one in the financial sector, and a lot of rumors about a financial change, a major one.
And wondering whether you address any of that.
Excuse me.
I don't think I saw anything in your book, per se, about that.
And I'm wondering if you're, you know, going to do future workshops with people over the changes in the banking system, changes that could be recommended as well, so that money can be handled differently.
You know, what you addressed is such a...
It's a wide, huge topic.
You know, and those are things that I'm going to be talking about in this Perkinomics forum.
But what we have to realize is there's so many variables.
You know, money becomes valued and devalued.
Gold becomes valued and devalued for those who are looking at it.
And, you know, it's really the way, I think, to be in the best spot is to be looking at how do you be productive with necessary resources that are needed and how do you get those across to people in a way that you know you succeed and they succeed so it's not about you know there's gonna be I believe a lot of changes but Kerry I think first of all nothing's gonna happen till after the US elections and probably substantially after
it myself and other people who you know share our type of insight we all see 27 2017 as really the bigger year, you know, 2016 is just the footprint up to.
I think from 2017 to 2021 is going to be a time of really major change and restructuring, you know, and sometimes it's just, you know, duck, you know, get out of the way, do the best you can while things are going on.
You know, some people will be at the forefront making changes and other people are just going to be waiting the situation out, you know.
Any timeline can unfold.
Your audience understands that well.
Any timeline can unfold.
We want to foster a timeline that is beneficial to the future and brings us to the point where humanity deserves to live in a civilization that is prosperous, that is peaceful, and gives everybody an equal opportunity.
That's the thing is, not everybody wants to succeed or do certain things, but you should have the opportunity.
If you want to do that.
Okay.
Now, I see someone is asking, basically, if, you know, why you wrote your book.
And I did address, you know, I asked you that question early on.
But is there any, I guess, other remarks?
And certainly people can watch this.
It'll go onto YouTube after we're done.
So if you came in late and you didn't hear the answer to questions that you're asking in the chat, the reason I won't address them is because we've already gone over the material.
But in fairness, you kind of did go by that kind of fast.
And maybe on a more personal level, you did talk about your ETs prompting you in a certain sense.
And preparing you and giving you information.
But can you also talk about maybe the struggle to write your book on an author-to-author basis?
I think there are other people out there that could relate and would like to hear, you know, how long has this book been in the works, for example?
I've been given the information about five years ago and actually I wanted to have the book out in 2012 in preparation for what I knew would be happening now.
But I ran into some challenges That didn't allow me to have the time to write for a few years.
And so I had to do the best I could in putting as much down.
The thing with this information is it wasn't just also sitting down and writing.
I had to synthesize through all this information about social reconstruction, evolution of humanity, changes in the cosmos, and put it away not just that I understand it, but I have a challenge of putting things in a way that others can understand it.
And it was really important to me to write it in a way that was clear to anybody who could pick it up.
Like, your audience is very sophisticated, and I could have written it in a very different way.
But I wasn't writing just for them.
I was writing for anybody who was seeking and trying to find an answer to what's going on now.
So I'm not an easy writer.
I struggle.
It takes me a while to do that.
So I had challenges that kept me from being able to write and put it in to information that was easy to digest.
But to recap for the person who was asking, I wrote the book as a platform, as a basic starting ground for us to leap beyond it so that everybody has the same information.
About, you know, who's here on the planet?
What are their purposes?
Why is the ancient initiate reborn once again and being recalled?
Why are there things that are going on that we don't pay attention to?
But that when you weave them together, they form a tapestry of events that show that we're being really carried down a particular pathway.
You know, and so Spurconomics was written to get us to Disengaged from being directed to look at things with different eyes for all different audiences.
You know, not just for the sophisticated seeker, but for the person who's just breaking out.
And, you know, my goal was to have it out in 2012, and that certainly didn't work.
But, you know, I also say, you know, this reasons for things.
And the one thing I learned from all my extraterrestrial experiences that I finally figured out in my late 30s was...
You know, we think we know what's going on.
We think we have all the answers, but it's like the Titanic hitting the iceberg.
So often we have just the tip.
We have no idea what's going on underneath that glacial iceberg that impacts us, that we're part of something bigger, and just to accept it and do the best that I can to get the information out.
So, you know, there's also a reason I'm not aware of.
Great.
Now there's someone asking if there's already a community out there based on your book.
And I want to say that in the book, Marsha highlights actually four, I think it's at least four different communities.
So I don't know that you're actually envisioning a community solely based on your book, but in the sense that communities are forming and they may be forming in many different ways.
Encouraging the connections between the communities.
One of my favorite is a non-spiritual community, and I want to bring it up because it's done so many things right.
It's the Russian community of Skolkovo.
This is a high-tech venture that is major corporations in partnership with the government, which is not really the types of things we're talking about.
What they've done is they've created a city that fosters intellectual creation of technology.
That will benefit humanity.
You know, and the city is, you know, adapted for, you know, no cars, you can bike or you can walk.
You know, there's focus around you live and you work and you breathe in the, what do they call the CREs, the cultural, the resource centers, you know, the different...
CPU, I think.
You know, you were talking about CPUs, I think.
Well, these are actually...
These aren't CPUs.
These are actually the names that Skolkovo technological engineers have for growth.
This is MIT, Intel, all around the world, extremely advanced people involved in a collaboration that goes across borders.
It's not just Russia.
It's an international collaboration.
The government stepped in at points to make things easier in terms of people coming in and being able to work and live in the city.
But I encourage people to take a look at it because imagine if this was now done with a spiritual overlay, a non-denominational spiritual overlay for a mystic, you know, to be able to live in a high-tech city that's adapted for the environment, you know, to live in better harmony for the environment.
And that's what I really, in my mind, see as the goal.
But in terms of the communities that are out there, there are many.
I mentioned Delman Hur, I mentioned Finn Horm, I mentioned Stolkovo, you know, some of the old, bringing in some of the old of the past, some of the new.
The point is, oh, the Anastasia communities, the living springing cedars communities are out there, but those are more back to the nature types of things.
I think the real opportunity are those that hybridize the best of 21st century living technology with understanding of nature and respect for that pathway and environmental concern.
Okay, so I am looking through the chat, but I don't see any specific questions coming up that I can grab.
So if you have a question, if you could retype it into the chat right now, I will try to grab it before the end of the show.
Before we wind this down, Marcia, can you talk a little bit more about sort of next steps, where you want to go with your writing and your book and possibly the community and If you consider yourself building a community specifically or simply an outreach, a place where people can come and then form their own communities through a connected network that you might be doing, that sort of thing.
The next step for me is the Spirconomics.com, which is where I am working with sharing more of the mystic knowledge that I've been given on one pathway, and at the same time mentoring people and helping them make connections with each other as they work within the pillars of reform within society, as I've called them.
Whether it's media arts and entertainment, business reform, healthy living reform, there's seven of them that are there.
So I'm also using my abilities in that forum to my business background and my knowledge in that area to help them format themselves against the backdrop of today and the backdrop of change that we're facing so that they can be successful.
So there's that.
And then this is an online community.
You know, it's an online community, as I've been talking about.
I mentioned in the book, there's three types of these types of communities.
There's those where you go and you build it and they will come and people will share.
There's a second type where you reform an existing neighborhood and people just start moving in and changing the nature of a neighborhood.
The third type is online, and this is an online community for people who are very serious about building tomorrow, being part of the change, and finding the tools, resources, networks, and connections amongst each other to be able to do that.
So it's like having a cyber cup of coffee with your mystic friends, going to a little bit of a conference and training session, and And then, you know, doing your own sharing.
So when you go to spurconomics.com, what's available to the public is pretty wide and expansive, and there's a lot of explanations of what it's about and who it's for.
It's not open yet.
I'm hoping it'll open within the next few weeks.
But you'll see it's very self-explanatory what it is.
It's an online community along the spurconomics principles of Building a better world and coming together in collaboration and doing it.
I think, you know, sometimes...
A fee for joining is what you call a barrier to entry, and there's a reason for actually creating a barrier to entry.
In other words, you're actually seeking a certain seriousness in people, money being one of those ways of determining who is serious and who is not.
When forming any online anything.
You're right.
It's a subscription-based community, absolutely, because I want those who are serious and where the nominal fee, the monthly fee, which is collected in an annual basis, it's not an issue.
And these are people who I'm asking to help start this community.
There can be greater outreach in the future.
That's not an issue.
But we need people who are serious and I'm looking for the more serious and dedicated entrepreneurs and humanitarian pioneers and spiritualists who are willing to go into this to a greater level and seed it and be the core mentors for this.
Okay, so basically I don't see any more questions that haven't already been sort of touched on and people can read your book for more information.
So any parting words that you'd like to share?
Any last-minute thoughts before we close this down?
I think that it's so important for people to get past all the drama and chaos and remember all the good.
This is about the emerging human.
This is about the emerging world.
And that a lot of people such as you, you know, and others out there have been laying down the pathway for a while.
But now this is a much greater awareness movement.
It's a much greater opportunity to get things done.
And I think things are going to go at lightning speed, you know, come 2017.
I think things are going to go at lightning speed.
Get ready.
You know, but remember...
The change comes from us, from within.
It's not about a politician.
It's not about a book.
It's not about an online forum.
The change comes from within.
It comes from all of us to remember ourselves to be kind and open and tolerant and build the connections between each other.
Let's build the world that we deserve to have instead of waiting for it to happen.
Okay, great.
Thank you so much, Marcia Schaefer.
One last word here.
Someone is in the chat saying they're your friend, wants to say hi.
The person's name is Jaden.
Oh, okay.
Hi.
Thanks for attending.
Anyway, I want to thank everyone for listening, and we're going to roll the credits, so thank you very much.
I'll be back next week with another guest.
Actually, I think the guest is Dan Mendez, and we'll be talking about Atlantis and a very, very interesting book that has been released, Changing the Paradigm of Actually Where Atlantis Came From, Etc., So that'll be advertised on my website.
Go to ProjectHamlotPortal.com to see all my latest information and articles and go to Marcia's website, BeyondZebra.com and I believe it's SpirconomicsAsWell.com.
Is that correct?
Spirconomics.com?
Yeah?
Yes, it is.
And I apologize for interrupting there.
I thought you were there talking.
I just wanted to say thank you so much for having me on.
Oh, lovely.
All right.
Thank you so much as well.
And everyone take care and have a great night.
And I'm going to put on the credits here.
So bear with me as I do that.
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